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epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 02:35 PM
Big episode tonight.

As the show concludes, what do you think is going on here? So many mysteries still remain.

no-pseudo-fan
05-11-2010, 02:37 PM
I haven't watched that show in years....I am so lost, I just stopped watching....on a related note I watch the last 2 minutes waiting for V to start.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 02:42 PM
****ing Legend of the Seeker had to get canceled :(...

Dr. Broncenstein
05-11-2010, 02:43 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 02:54 PM
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/JumpTheShark.jpg

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sisterhellfyre
05-11-2010, 02:55 PM
****ing Legend of the Seeker had to get canceled :(...

Seeker got cancelled? I saw the first couple episodes, but I'd heard the writing went way downhill about halfway into the first season. I won't bother with the rest... thanks for the info!

Pick Six
05-11-2010, 02:58 PM
Seeker got cancelled? I saw the first couple episodes, but I'd heard the writing went way downhill about halfway into the first season. I won't bother with the rest... thanks for the info!

The writing is cheesy, but that's the whole fun of the show...:rofl:

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:00 PM
I dont remember who they were, but there were a couple of posters here who were pretty insightful as to what was going on with LOST.

Irish Stout
05-11-2010, 03:02 PM
Dude, its clearly a dream going on in the mind of an coma patient.

broncolife
05-11-2010, 03:08 PM
****ing Legend of the Seeker had to get canceled :(...

What? Dangit the only show that resembled Hercules to me.

GoBroncos84
05-11-2010, 03:12 PM
I've been knocking around a couple of ides, but ultimately I have no clue. These last couple of episodes will be intense, so much information to cram into them.


Here are a couple of potential things I have looked at:

Aaron, Claire's son, grows up to be the Man in Black
(some points I hadn't even thought of were brought up in this post from walterfootball: http://walterfootball.com/jerksoftheweek100510.php)

I also started debating a coworker a few months back that the Man in Black will somehow end up being the good guy with Jacob being the bad guy. I said it simply to be the devil's advocate, I had no reason to think it. I highly doubt it will spin that way, but it would be quite the twist and LOST is rarely ever predictable.

Another angle I could see happening is whoever ends up being "the candidate" stays on the island to replace Jacob, and the rest live their life as if they never came to the island, as is shown in the alternate universe. Only the candidate will be removed from that time line

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:14 PM
Dude, its clearly a dream going on in the mind of an coma patient.

Dallas? Newhart?

Irish Stout
05-11-2010, 03:15 PM
I dont remember who they were, but there were a couple of posters here who were pretty insightful as to what was going on with LOST.

I've actually stuck with this show and have been pretty pleased the last two years, though it still pisses me off after every episode. I like that there has been a lot more action though this season.

I'm assuming that this season's parallel universe is what is going to actually occur after the people on the Island either do what they're supposed to or fail at doing what they're supposed to.

I didn't like seeing jin and sun getting killed off, but I guess we're at a point where people have to live or die in this show.

GoBroncos84
05-11-2010, 03:18 PM
I've actually stuck with this show and have been pretty pleased the last two years, though it still pisses me off after every episode. I like that there has been a lot more action though this season.

I'm assuming that this season's parallel universe is what is going to actually occur after the people on the Island either do what they're supposed to or fail at doing what they're supposed to.

I didn't like seeing jin and sun getting killed off, but I guess we're at a point where people have to live or die in this show.

Sayid dying, if in fact he is gone, was worse for me. He has been my favorite character

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:18 PM
I've been knocking around a couple of ides, but ultimately I have no clue. These last couple of episodes will be intense, so much information to cram into them.


Here are a couple of potential things I have looked at:

Aaron, Claire's son, grows up to be the Man in Black
(some points I hadn't even thought of were brought up in this post from walterfootball: http://walterfootball.com/jerksoftheweek100510.php)

I also started debating a coworker a few months back that the Man in Black will somehow end up being the good guy with Jacob being the bad guy. I said it simply to be the devil's advocate, I had no reason to think it. I highly doubt it will spin that way, but it would be quite the twist and LOST is rarely ever predictable.

Another angle I could see happening is whoever ends up being "the candidate" stays on the island to replace Jacob, and the rest live their life as if they never came to the island, as is shown in the alternate universe. Only the candidate will be removed from that time line

I dont think that the Man in Black is going to be the "good guy". He established himself pretty firmly as the antagonist over the past few episodes. He killed some of the main Lost characters. Jacob was trying to keep them alive.

Personally, I think that Jack will be Jacob's replacement. Jacob has given him special treatment, and Jack has taken a leadership role and seems convinced that he is to live is life out on the island.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:20 PM
Sayid dying, if in fact he is gone, was worse for me. He has been my favorite character

Yeah, Sayid is pretty much toast. At least he got to end things by making a selfless choice.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-11-2010, 03:21 PM
I've kind of stopped guessing as to what will happen on LOST, but I'm enjoying every step of the way (though i think the show has gotten a bit too lazy at times this season.) Many mysteries remain, but many have been answered. The big questions for me are what the sideways world actually is (is it the life the Man In Black promised?) and what will happen with the whole candidate thing. Either way, the show has been a wild ride and if you honestly jumped ship, shame on you.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-11-2010, 03:22 PM
I dont think that the Man in Black is going to be the "good guy". He established himself pretty firmly as the antagonist over the past few episodes. He killed some of the main Lost characters. Jacob was trying to keep them alive.

Personally, I think that Jack will be Jacob's replacement. Jacob has given him special treatment, and Jack has taken a leadership role and seems convinced that he is to live is life out on the island.

But then why would the Man In Black keep jack alive? There's something at play here that i think will be pretty unexpected.

Boobs McGee
05-11-2010, 03:25 PM
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lol what in the **** was that?

GoBroncos84
05-11-2010, 03:28 PM
I dont think that the Man in Black is going to be the "good guy". He established himself pretty firmly as the antagonist over the past few episodes. He killed some of the main Lost characters. Jacob was trying to keep them alive.

Personally, I think that Jack will be Jacob's replacement. Jacob has given him special treatment, and Jack has taken a leadership role and seems convinced that he is to live is life out on the island.

That seems like the "obvious" ending, as Jack is basically the main character of the show. Its an ensemble, no doubt, but if there is a leading character it's him. I agree that all signs point to that being exactly how it ends, but I just expect some kind of big twist to occur in these last couple of episodes that changes a lot of things.

I still want to know who those kids are... the ones that keep reminding the man in black about the rules. There are a lot of things to be answered, but that has been bugging me every episode that it isn't revealed.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:31 PM
That seems like the "obvious" ending, as Jack is basically the main character of the show. Its an ensemble, no doubt, but if there is a leading character it's him. I agree that all signs point to that being exactly how it ends, but I just expect some kind of big twist to occur in these last couple of episodes that changes a lot of things.

I still want to know who those kids are... the ones that keep reminding the man in black about the rules. There are a lot of things to be answered, but that has been bugging me every episode that it isn't revealed.

I'm also interested in what the rules are and why the game is being played...which I think is the answer to whats happening in Lost.

Pseudofool
05-11-2010, 03:41 PM
I think that everyone on the Island dies and Smookie gets let loose. In the alternate reality (the one we believe is fake, but is probably "real" reality given Juliet's statement that the bomb had "worked") the characters somehow choose to alter the time line, thus rendering Smookie back on the Island. It may not happen exactly this way, but somehow the never-crashed-on-the-island characters will save the island characters and stop Smookie.

This episode we probably figure out what Desmond suppose to do, and he does it, dying of course...

GoBroncos84
05-11-2010, 03:48 PM
I expect there to be a couple of deaths in this episode

SonOfLe-loLang
05-11-2010, 03:56 PM
I think that everyone on the Island dies and Smookie gets let loose. In the alternate reality (the one we believe is fake, but is probably "real" reality given Juliet's statement that the bomb had "worked") the characters somehow choose to alter the time line, thus rendering Smookie back on the Island. It may not happen exactly this way, but somehow the never-crashed-on-the-island characters will save the island characters and stop Smookie.

This episode we probably figure out what Desmond suppose to do, and he does it, dying of course...

I like this.

Though i think the only way everyone will be satisfied with Lost's ending will be if money came flying from tv sets and into America's living rooms during the final moments.

ColoradoDarin
05-11-2010, 03:57 PM
I expect that they won't bother answering most of the questions they raised simply because they don't have the answers themselves. They were mostly just making stuff up as they went (now the voices in the jungle are just ghosts!!). Really, I've enjoyed it, but trying to derive meaning or answers to their own universe? I've given up on that.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:01 PM
i like this.

Though i think the only way everyone will be satisfied with lost's ending will be if money came flying from tv sets and into america's living rooms during the final moments.

lol

Lolad
05-11-2010, 04:01 PM
Dude, its clearly a dream going on in the mind of an coma patient.

Who's in this coma? I think it's an alternate universe of some sort

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:02 PM
I expect there to be a couple of deaths in this episode

This episode will be about the history of the island, and will give the background of Jacob and the Man in Black.

GoBroncos84
05-11-2010, 04:05 PM
This episode will be about the history of the island, and will give the background of Jacob and the Man in Black.

Certainly, but it could still contain scenes of the Man in Black going to "finish what he started". I could be wrong, I just expect at least one character to be taken out in some way. They took out three major characters last episode. Just seems like the gloves are off now that its at the end

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:05 PM
I expect that they won't bother answering most of the questions they raised simply because they don't have the answers themselves. They were mostly just making stuff up as they went (now the voices in the jungle are just ghosts!!). Really, I've enjoyed it, but trying to derive meaning or answers to their own universe? I've given up on that.

I think that they know what theyre doing, and I read that in one of the upcoming episodes they will reveal something that ties it all together and shows that they knew what they were building from the first season.

I think that the voices have something to do with the nature of the island (a "cork" that keeps hell locked in)...maybe the voices are coming from the other side of the "cork".

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:06 PM
Certainly, but it could still contain scenes of the Man in Black going to "finish what he started". I could be wrong, I just expect at least one character to be taken out in some way. They took out three major characters last episode. Just seems like the gloves are off now that its at the end

I think that only a couple of regular characters will be in this one.

Lolad
05-11-2010, 04:14 PM
The main characters are still alive. They just died on the island IMO

Quoydogs
05-11-2010, 04:19 PM
Someone from the group is really undercover Iraq military. He has had a weapon of mass destruction hidden there this whole time. He uses it!! :thumbs:

Pseudofool
05-11-2010, 04:32 PM
Dude, its clearly a dream going on in the mind of an coma patient.

Like AMC's the Prisoner no less.

Pseudofool
05-11-2010, 07:00 PM
Horrible episode.

Archer81
05-11-2010, 07:07 PM
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:Broncos:

Que
05-11-2010, 07:08 PM
I haven't watched that show in years....I am so lost, I just stopped watching....on a related note I watch the last 2 minutes waiting for V to start.

Anna FTW!

Que
05-11-2010, 07:10 PM
Dude, its clearly a dream going on in the mind of a bed and breakfast owner in New England.

fixed it for you

Que
05-11-2010, 07:13 PM
lol what in the **** was that?

Do not want

ColoradoDarin
05-11-2010, 08:01 PM
I think that they know what theyre doing, and I read that in one of the upcoming episodes they will reveal something that ties it all together and shows that they knew what they were building from the first season.

I think that the voices have something to do with the nature of the island (a "cork" that keeps hell locked in)...maybe the voices are coming from the other side of the "cork".

I'm sure that they've had an overall story that they've been trying to tell. Seems to me it was about 20 episode's worth, they rest has all been made up on the fly with no regard to cohesiveness.


But yes, one "big" answer tonight that we've been waiting for since season 1.

Sir_Robin
05-11-2010, 09:26 PM
****ing Legend of the Seeker had to get canceled :(...

I'm guessing they lost viewers as viewers began reading the books. That's what happened for me. I couldn't watch after I read the series.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-11-2010, 10:31 PM
Horrible episode.

That could have been done in like a webisode. I appreciate the history, but for the 3rd to last ep? C'mon...

SonOfLe-loLang
05-11-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm sure that they've had an overall story that they've been trying to tell. Seems to me it was about 20 episode's worth, they rest has all been made up on the fly with no regard to cohesiveness.


But yes, one "big" answer tonight that we've been waiting for since season 1.

But we've known what the smoke monster was for a while now. I didn't actually care to see exactly how it was born.

ColoradoDarin
05-12-2010, 05:16 AM
But we've known what the smoke monster was for a while now. I didn't actually care to see exactly how it was born.

Actually the answer was Adam & Eve.

Pseudofool
05-12-2010, 05:18 AM
That could have been done in like a webisode. I appreciate the history, but for the 3rd to last ep? C'mon...Well it felt that way in production value, didn't it? The writing and characterization, not to mention the explanation was just awful. I mean I could have made up something better on the fly. And it just invites a whole slew of new questions, where'd this woman come from? and the original others? What is this light crap? etc. etc. Really, they should have done a lot better, I hope this episode gets trashed in teh reviews.

ColoradoDarin
05-12-2010, 05:33 AM
Well it felt that way in production value, didn't it? The writing and characterization, not to mention the explanation was just awful. I mean I could have made up something better on the fly. And it just invites a whole slew of new questions, where'd this woman come from? and the original others? What is this light crap? etc. etc. Really, they should have done a lot better, I hope this episode gets trashed in teh reviews.

The writer's told us they knew what the overall story was from the beginning and that we'd know it after last night episode is true. It's not Adam & Eve, or the light & dark....

It's this:

"Every question I answer will simply lead to another question"

That's the entire point of Lost, no answers, just more questions.

Pseudofool
05-12-2010, 06:07 AM
The writer's told us they knew what the overall story was from the beginning . I'm not sure I buy it, they may have some idea of the themes and the general overall plot, but if last night's episode was to demonstrate a well-considered story from the beginning I sure didn't see it. It felt thrown together and rushed.

The whole concept was better when it was vague. An evil let loose upon the world without explanation is a better premise than two brothers fighting over their very generic roles and destiny....

Ray Finkle
05-12-2010, 06:20 AM
I'm not sure I buy it, they may have some idea of the themes and the general overall plot, but if last night's episode was to demonstrate a well-considered story from the beginning I sure didn't see it. It felt thrown together and rushed.

The whole concept was better when it was vague. An evil let loose upon the world without explanation is a better premise than two brothers fighting over their very generic roles and destiny....

I agree....it seems like they wanted to have three key points in the episode (Who they were/Donkey Wheel/Smokey) and how they were explained was okay but everything up to that felt rushed and forced. It almost seems like they threw the last scene in there to save the episode.

I know they have had the story mapped out since mid way through season 1 but this was a bad one....

ColoradoDarin
05-12-2010, 06:27 AM
I'm not sure I buy it, they may have some idea of the themes and the general overall plot, but if last night's episode was to demonstrate a well-considered story from the beginning I sure didn't see it. It felt thrown together and rushed.

The whole concept was better when it was vague. An evil let loose upon the world without explanation is a better premise than two brothers fighting over their very generic roles and destiny....

I agree, very rushed. My post was rather sarcastic though. There are no answers, only more questions. They tried to make it look like they knew what they were doing all the time, but it doesn't add up. Originally Jack said the bodies were 40-50 years old - apparently 'immortals' decay differently too?

Ray Finkle
05-12-2010, 06:40 AM
I agree, very rushed. My post was rather sarcastic though. There are no answers, only more questions. They tried to make it look like they knew what they were doing all the time, but it doesn't add up. Originally Jack said the bodies were 40-50 years old - apparently 'immortals' decay differently too?

Unless they are using the ol' "4 years on the island is really only 4 minutes" BS.....

Que
05-12-2010, 06:43 AM
Agreed. I mean, it was cool to finally figure out where Jacob and smokey came from but um... it was better when I thought they were exiled Egyptian Gods rather that two pissed off brothers. Was a fail in my book and I really didn't need the "see, we had this planned all along" thing. Smokey's explanation of what he was going to do with the wheel was laughable. We are going to make a bigger opening, take this wheel, stick it in it, hook the wheel up to some water contraption and then turn it and then I will be free to go ride horses, eat pizza, and sleep with foreign women!!! muauahahahahaha. Fiendish! We must protect the world from that!!!

Pseudofool
05-12-2010, 07:03 AM
Smokey's explanation of what he was going to do with the wheel was laughable. We are going to make a bigger opening, take this wheel, stick it in it, hook the wheel up to some water contraption and then turn it and then I will be free to go ride horses, eat pizza, and sleep with foreign women!!! muauahahahahaha. Fiendish! We must protect the world from that!!!And even after the explanation, since the mother destroys that room with the wheel, it still makes no freaking sense.

gtown
05-12-2010, 08:15 AM
[QUOTE=Que;2840288]Agreed. I mean, it was cool to finally figure out where Jacob and smokey came from but um... it was better when I thought they were exiled Egyptian Gods rather that two pissed off brothers. Was a fail in my book and I really didn't need the "see, we had this planned all alo=1

titan
05-12-2010, 09:50 AM
I think I figured it out. The Lost creators are bronco fans and the whole series is an allegory to our team:

Jacob=Mike Shanahan (main man in charge for what seems like forever, now dead/gone but his presence still felt)

Jack=Josh McDaniels (center of the story/franchise now, still trying to figure out what this is all about but he's starting to get a clue)

Sayid=Brandon Marshall (key character in the drama, effective in the team's success but a trouble maker, dead/suspended, came back to life, now gone for good)

Charles Whitmore = Al Davis (old fart trying to reclaim past glory but the island/game has passed him by long ago. Once was a key player but now just an old meddling fool)

Sawyer = Elvis Dumervil (could be the best castaway/player in terms of saving the group but his long term future is in doubt - seems to be playing 2nd fiddle to others in the island/franchise long term plans)

Smoke Monster = Pat Bowlen (stays in the background most of the time but when he makes his presence known shows he's boss)

Bernard = Kyle Orton (calm yet boring, you wonder why he's even around, looks like he's being phased out of the story)

Desmond = Brady Quinn (not part of the original castaways/team, a wildcard to the story who seems destined to play a bigger part but not quite sure where he fits in yet)

Jin = Eddie Royal (key player in season 1 but hasn't been heard much from lately, seems to talk a different language than the current regime)

Aaron = Tim Tebow (wonder child hasn't played a part in the current drama but promises to be a major part of the future story)

Haven't figured out who Ben, Hurley, etc are yet - any suggestions?

BroncoBuff
05-12-2010, 11:42 AM
Don't hold your breath for many "answers," cause there are way too many questions. Especially since the storylines started careening wildly out of control this season. It used to be my favorite show, maybe ever. But I stopped watching about six weeks ago. The episode where they find the little lighthouse and discover some mirror device that which Jacob could see the houses they grew up in? Dumb. Then Jack broke the glass, even dumber.

Kid A
05-12-2010, 12:06 PM
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ColoradoDarin
05-12-2010, 12:14 PM
Don't hold your breath for many "answers," cause there are way too many questions. Especially since the storylines started careening wildly out of control this season. It used to be my favorite show, maybe ever. But I stopped watching about six weeks ago. The episode where they find the little lighthouse and discover some mirror device that which Jacob could see the houses they grew up in? Dumb. Then Jack broke the glass, even dumber.

"Every question I answer will simply lead to another question"

scorpio
05-12-2010, 07:40 PM
http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/magnets.jpg

Oh god, that's great

Pseudofool
05-12-2010, 07:46 PM
Oh god, that's great

Isn't it?

Dendave
05-13-2010, 05:43 AM
Just ridiculous...what a waste of time

Bronco X
05-13-2010, 07:30 AM
I wouldn't say the series has been a waste of time... over the years the show has offered some great entertainment. But it's been slowly falling apart since the second half of season 5.

BSG is another show I watched regularly and I thought the second half of the finale was the worst hour the show ever produced. But I'm still glad I watched the show for the moments that were great.

It'll be the same with Lost, though sadly I'm pretty sure it's going to go out badly. Unless the last 3.5 hours are the greatest 3.5 hours television has ever produced, because it might just take that to salvage this final season.

Honestly at this point I don't expect answers or to understand the show's mythology. I just want the end to be emotionally satisfying after having watched the show for six years. With the way the writers butchered most of the characters this season that won't be easy.

Dendave
05-13-2010, 07:59 AM
I wouldn't say the series has been a waste of time...

I not saying that either, but Tuesday's episode was a waste of time. I LOST interest after "the Others" kidnapped Walt...it has been down hill from there. However, I am investing my time in it to see how it ends, but Tuesday's episode did nothing what so ever in the telling of the story.

ColoradoDarin
05-13-2010, 08:07 AM
I not saying that either, but Tuesday's episode was a waste of time. I LOST interest after "the Others" kidnapped Walt...it has been down hill from there. However, I am investing my time in it to see how it ends, but Tuesday's episode did nothing what so ever in the telling of the story.

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/05/10/lost-michael.jpg

WAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLTTTTTTTT

Kid A
05-13-2010, 09:13 AM
I wouldn't say the series has been a waste of time... over the years the show has offered some great entertainment. But it's been slowly falling apart since the second half of season 5.

BSG is another show I watched regularly and I thought the second half of the finale was the worst hour the show ever produced. But I'm still glad I watched the show for the moments that were great.

It'll be the same with Lost, though sadly I'm pretty sure it's going to go out badly. Unless the last 3.5 hours are the greatest 3.5 hours television has ever produced, because it might just take that to salvage this final season.

Honestly at this point I don't expect answers or to understand the show's mythology. I just want the end to be emotionally satisfying after having watched the show for six years. With the way the writers butchered most of the characters this season that won't be easy.

Pretty much in the same boat. I accepted years ago that they weren't going to have a comprehensive, satisfying explanation to everything - there never was a really great answer they had planned. Unfortunantly they've gone with a scattershot, everything but the kitchen sink approach. Time travel, electro-magnetism, paranormal communication, fate, pockets of glowing magic buried in the island...just waiting for the aliens to show up here now.

I guess during the first couple seasons I wanted to believe there was a clever, intriguing answer behind everything. Nope. Just crazy concept after crazy concept on top of each other. And, hey, it's been an intriguing mess to watch at times, with some memorable characters and twists. It's a show that was literally made better by the existence of the internet, because half the fun was discussing theories and researching literary/historical illusionsne. It won't (in my mind) go down as a great TV show, but definitely an important part of recent entertainment history.

BSG was a much better show in my mind, though I agree the second half of the finale suffered from the whole "uh, no clue how to tie this up so...God! Angels! Everyone suddenly agrees to give up technology!" thing. At least there were generally decent endings for most of the characters (though everyone splitting up to live alone was a stretch. As was the whole mitochondrian eve...actually it all was a bit too much to swallow). I enjoyed the final season overall more than I have for Lost season 6, though. They took it in a really dark direction in the late episodes, and the Final Five plot actually worked better than I thought it would at first.

Pseudofool
05-13-2010, 10:02 AM
Pretty much in the same boat. I accepted years ago that they weren't going to have a comprehensive, satisfying explanation to everything - there never was a really great answer they had planned. Unfortunantly they've gone with a scattershot, everything but the kitchen sink approach. Time travel, electro-magnetism, paranormal communication, fate, pockets of glowing magic buried in the island...just waiting for the aliens to show up here now.

I guess during the first couple seasons I wanted to believe there was a clever, intriguing answer behind everything. Nope. Just crazy concept after crazy concept on top of each other. And, hey, it's been an intriguing mess to watch at times, with some memorable characters and twists. It's a show that was literally made better by the existence of the internet, because half the fun was discussing theories and researching literary/historical illusionsne. It won't (in my mind) go down as a great TV show, but definitely an important part of recent entertainment history.

BSG was a much better show in my mind, though I agree the second half of the finale suffered from the whole "uh, no clue how to tie this up so...God! Angels! Everyone suddenly agrees to give up technology!" thing. At least there were generally decent endings for most of the characters (though everyone splitting up to live alone was a stretch. As was the whole mitochondrian eve...actually it all was a bit too much to swallow). I enjoyed the final season overall more than I have for Lost season 6, though. They took it in a really dark direction in the late episodes, and the Final Five plot actually worked better than I thought it would at first.
On board as well. I agree BSG was just way more thoughtful. I didn't mind the second half of the finale in terms of content--the show as seemed headed to connect with our own history and mythos. The God stuff was fine too. The problem was that it was just so sentimental. We have to watch unfold for over an hour, and then witness some cheesy robot cameo montage. It would have been so much better if we just rolled up on the moon and then Africa, and credits rolled....

zdoor
05-13-2010, 10:10 AM
Well not a whole lot of answers and I agree that they're winging it now...

But the smoke monster is not Jacob's brother. Jacob's brother died and the Smoke Monster took his form.... No idea where they are going with that.

Kid A
05-13-2010, 10:38 AM
On board as well. I agree BSG was just way more thoughtful. I didn't mind the second half of the finale in terms of content--the show as seemed headed to connect with our own history and mythos. The God stuff was fine too. The problem was that it was just so sentimental. We have to watch unfold for over an hour, and then witness some cheesy robot cameo montage. It would have been so much better if we just rolled up on the moon and then Africa, and credits rolled....

Maybe that was it. I mean, I think emphasizing the God aspect was inevitable and was there from the very first episode, so no real problem with that. Religion and belief were always part of what made it a compelling show.

Caprica and Baltar as angels, though...and yeah the whole robot montage. Not the most subtle of endings. Also the idea of "Hera as the mother of modern humanity"...felt a little forced to make it clear why she was so important all along. But, I guess I can overlook a little of that in light of it ultimately being a parable/mythology of where we came from. Overall a great show that I can't wait to revisit again some day.

Kid A
05-23-2010, 09:14 PM
soooo...


As I've made clear earlier in the thread, this show had gone off the rails for me in the last couple seasons what with the time travel, magic caves, etc. And now MEGA SPOILER we've got an ending that pretty much reveals the entire alternate time line this season to have been a purgatory/afterlife thing, so it certainly didn't tie up things by tying things up neat and tidy or answer all the random questions (polar bears? Walt?).

That said, I think they made the right decision making it ultimately about the characters relationships in the end. After 6 seasons of crazy **** going on, no revelation about some technical answer was really going to happen or work that well. The characters were what kept most people watching and even as cheesy as a lot of this episode was there were plenty of legitimately earned emotional moments as we saw reunions between characters we'd followed (and seen die) through the years. And bringing it full circle to Jack in the bamboo was an obvious but fitting way to end it.

So, kind of a mess of show down the stretch, some over the top plot developments, some sledge hammer symbolism, but overall a TV show that will rightfully be go down in history for its ambition and scope and cultural impact.

Archer81
05-23-2010, 09:43 PM
I admit this is not a show I watched until the last 30 minutes of the finale...but how can the big dude still be that big after 6 years?

:Broncos:

UberBroncoMan
05-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Seeker got cancelled? I saw the first couple episodes, but I'd heard the writing went way downhill about halfway into the first season. I won't bother with the rest... thanks for the info!

Actually it only got better as time went on. That's why it sucked to see it get canceled. First season was good, but had some hit and miss but did better right at the end (the middle was a little here or there). The second was superior - it followed the main story arch much more.

But that's what happens to poorly advertised syndicated TV shows in this day and age. I'd definitely suggest watching both seasons of it, back to back. Basically a giant ass movie. The only part that I didn't like was the over-usage of the romance between two of the characters. There was some silly mistakes too. Still... wish it was continuing.

enjolras
05-23-2010, 09:59 PM
Just wow... The ending was Sopranos bad.

Durango
05-23-2010, 10:04 PM
My wife was addicted to this show. I watched several of the first season episodes and more or less let it be until tonight.

Jack laying in the jungle with Vincent the dog was very fitting and ties a neat little knot to the whole thing. Even after ignoring the show for many years (I watched a show here and there) I could figure out what was happening in the end. The very last clip of the plane debris on the beach suggests no-one survived, and of course, we now know no-one did. I actually thought it was pretty cool, especially with Vincent lying next to Jack in the final scene.

enjolras
05-23-2010, 10:08 PM
My wife was addicted to this show. I watched several of the first season episodes and more or less let it be until tonight.

Jack laying in the jungle with Vincent the dog was very fitting and ties a neat little knot to the whole thing. Even after ignoring the show for many years (I watched a show here and there) I could figure out what was happening in the end. The very last clip of the plane debris on the beach suggests no-one survived, and of course, we now know no-one did. I actually thought it was pretty cool, especially with Vincent lying next to Jack in the final scene.

I don't think that's what they where going for. They survived to be wrecked on the island. In the end Jack's father talked about how all of the people in the church spent the most important parts of their lives together, and so in death they had to find each as well.

So they where alive on the island, with the flash sideways in the end being their time in 'purgatory'.

Kid A
05-23-2010, 10:11 PM
The very last clip of the plane debris on the beach suggests no-one survived, and of course, we now know no-one did. I actually thought it was pretty cool, especially with Vincent lying next to Jack in the final scene.

That wasn't the impression I got. I took it as everything we saw on the Island and pretty much all the show being "reality." They were actually alive all those years. Only the alternate time line in this final season was showing us a purgatory/afterlife.

Jimmy Kimmel pretty much asked Matthew Fox (the guy who played Jack) if that was what happened tonight, and Fox said that was his take on it. The show was them living their actual lives working toward peace that payed off in the afterlife storyline we go this season. The final shots of the wreckage was probably just a last look at the iconic set from the first couple seasons.

Durango
05-23-2010, 10:13 PM
OK, as bad as some people seem to think the ending was, it seems the writers got exactly what they might've hoped; different impressions and interpretations.

My wife wasn't thrilled with the ending either. I kind of enjoyed it.

spdirty
05-23-2010, 10:18 PM
It was fine. I didnt expect anything less than crap for the finale. Thats what almost every finale is anymore. The reunions were cool. Cool show that entertained me.

Hopefully tomorrow night Jack kills at least 50 people and then when death comes to take him he tells it to **** off. Then finds whoever cancelled the show and kills him. Cuz after tomorrow night life really sucks.

Kid A
05-23-2010, 10:20 PM
OK, as bad as some people seem to think the ending was, it seems the writers got exactly what they might've hoped; different impressions and interpretations.

My wife wasn't thrilled with the ending either. I kind of enjoyed it.

Yeah. I was someone who thought the last couple seasons were kind of poor, but I thought it was a more or less emotionally satisfying end to everything. Like the little detail of having the dog come over to Jack as he dies worked well. It just kind of felt like it ultimately fit the spirit of the show better than I expected given where the rest of the season had been.

My biggest disappointment will probably be the way the handled the back story (Jacob, his brother, the pre-history of the Island) this year. They never told us where a lot of the Egyptian stuff came from while presenting us only with a poorly fleshed out, campy flash back episode about bickering brothers. I'm not sure if we should have seen more or just left it all alone and mysterious, but what they did show didn't really work.

Racer
05-23-2010, 11:16 PM
I would have liked more explaination about the egyptian themes but After staring at my tv I think I got what was going on and I liked it.

Borks147
05-23-2010, 11:35 PM
I would have liked more explaination about the egyptian themes but After staring at my tv I think I got what was going on and I liked it.

The egyptian statue was the goddess of fertility. the light at the center of the island is what gives the world life. thats my take at least.

epicSocialism4tw
05-23-2010, 11:40 PM
Loved it.

This kind of ending causes people to question their own purpose and their own life. There isnt a more dignified and honorable ending to this show that will still be talked about in mysterious tones years down the line.

There will never be another TV show like it.

epicSocialism4tw
05-23-2010, 11:43 PM
Yeah. I was someone who thought the last couple seasons were kind of poor, but I thought it was a more or less emotionally satisfying end to everything. Like the little detail of having the dog come over to Jack as he dies worked well. It just kind of felt like it ultimately fit the spirit of the show better than I expected given where the rest of the season had been.

My biggest disappointment will probably be the way the handled the back story (Jacob, his brother, the pre-history of the Island) this year. They never told us where a lot of the Egyptian stuff came from while presenting us only with a poorly fleshed out, campy flash back episode about bickering brothers. I'm not sure if we should have seen more or just left it all alone and mysterious, but what they did show didn't really work.

The subtlety of that back story should be starting to take shape for the people who didnt give up on the show when the science fiction payoff wasnt trekkie-level.

The show was clearly about choices and tests. It reminds me very much of C.S. Lewis' Great Divorce.

Racer
05-23-2010, 11:46 PM
The egyptian statue was the goddess of fertility. the light at the center of the island is what gives the world life. thats my take at least.

OH OH and when Richard's ship broke the statue people could no longer have children on the island!

Archer81
05-23-2010, 11:48 PM
The egyptian statue was the goddess of fertility. the light at the center of the island is what gives the world life. thats my take at least.


It could be that the island is a scale every soul encounters after death, weighing against the feather of truth. If they were **** people, their heart gets eaten and their soul destroyed. If they were good people, they continue to the afterlife.


:Broncos:

extralife
05-23-2010, 11:51 PM
This kind of show causes really stupid people with no taste, experience or knowledge to question their own purpose and their own life.

There will never be another TV show like it. Except the six clones currently airing on ABC and Fox.

fixed it for you dawg

SonOfLe-loLang
05-23-2010, 11:54 PM
I was emotionally satisfied, but still intellectually curious. if the heart of LOST was the relationships, then it did a good job of wrapping it up. But I'm still not sure what the island was (and they left this open ended), when they died, any of the mythology, dharma...etc. But i enjoyed the last ep, so whatever.

TomServo
05-24-2010, 12:03 AM
i never watched the show but in the end didnt they all go to heaven?

epicSocialism4tw
05-24-2010, 01:22 AM
fixed it for you dawg

Disappointed?

Rohirrim
05-24-2010, 01:35 AM
That was limp.

And what was the final shot? Rusting plane wreckage on the beach. You know what that says to me? They were dead all along. They all died in the plane crash. Obviously, nobody lives through a plane coming apart in midair. So, it's always been a purgatorium.

extralife
05-24-2010, 02:07 AM
Disappointed?

Definitely did not watch it.

Beantown Bronco
05-24-2010, 05:02 AM
That was limp.

And what was the final shot? Rusting plane wreckage on the beach. You know what that says to me? They were dead all along. They all died in the plane crash. Obviously, nobody lives through a plane coming apart in midair. So, it's always been a purgatorium.

Bingo. Exactly what everyone in the world predicted from the beginning of season one and exactly what the writers and producers kept denying from day one. What a cop-out. They kept promising it would be something much deeper and more complex, but at the end of the day, that's all it ever was.

tsiguy96
05-24-2010, 06:13 AM
Bingo. Exactly what everyone in the world predicted from the beginning of season one and exactly what the writers and producers kept denying from day one. What a cop-out. They kept promising it would be something much deeper and more complex, but at the end of the day, that's all it ever was.

i think most things point to that being a real timeline, what actually happened in their life. and as they died in that real life, they moved to purgatory and lived their life unconscious that they are dead until desmond "woke them up" so to speak. he was the first to figure it out, and as they flashed back to their time on the island, they realized they were dead. i dont think the timelines were necessarily running at the same time, because there is no time in purgatory.

Beantown Bronco
05-24-2010, 06:24 AM
i think most things point to that being a real timeline, what actually happened in their life. and as they died in that real life, they moved to purgatory and lived their life unconscious that they are dead until desmond "woke them up" so to speak. he was the first to figure it out, and as they flashed back to their time on the island, they realized they were dead. i dont think the timelines were necessarily running at the same time, because there is no time in purgatory.

I'm just frustrated because there are numerous problems with either scenario.

1. The whole island story and "alternate reality" story were both parts of purgatory.

Problems: lazy and goes against everything the writers/producers said from day one.

2. The island story was "real life" and just the "alternate reality" introduced this past season was purgatory.

Problems: take your pick. Go to just about any Lost site today and they'll have lists of the dozens of major themes (Walt, Dharma, time travel, Daniel's mother, the season one monster that was clearly not the smoke monster, the Egyptian statues, etc) from the Island that just got ignored, disappeared from the story unexpectedly and/or never were explained.

TonyR
05-24-2010, 06:48 AM
1. The whole island story and "alternate reality" story were both parts of purgatory.

2. The island story was "real life" and just the "alternate reality" introduced this past season was purgatory.


Could be wrong but I think it's option 2.

Here's the first decent write up I've found:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/23/lost-finale-recap-spoilers/

And another:

http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/05/24/lost-series-finale-review/

dbfan21
05-24-2010, 06:56 AM
Pretty much in the same boat. I accepted years ago that they weren't going to have a comprehensive, satisfying explanation to everything - there never was a really great answer they had planned. Unfortunantly they've gone with a scattershot, everything but the kitchen sink approach. Time travel, electro-magnetism, paranormal communication, fate, pockets of glowing magic buried in the island...just waiting for the aliens to show up here now.

I guess during the first couple seasons I wanted to believe there was a clever, intriguing answer behind everything. Nope. Just crazy concept after crazy concept on top of each other. And, hey, it's been an intriguing mess to watch at times, with some memorable characters and twists. It's a show that was literally made better by the existence of the internet, because half the fun was discussing theories and researching literary/historical illusionsne. It won't (in my mind) go down as a great TV show, but definitely an important part of recent entertainment history.

BSG was a much better show in my mind, though I agree the second half of the finale suffered from the whole "uh, no clue how to tie this up so...God! Angels! Everyone suddenly agrees to give up technology!" thing. At least there were generally decent endings for most of the characters (though everyone splitting up to live alone was a stretch. As was the whole mitochondrian eve...actually it all was a bit too much to swallow). I enjoyed the final season overall more than I have for Lost season 6, though. They took it in a really dark direction in the late episodes, and the Final Five plot actually worked better than I thought it would at first.

Strangely, this is much like life as we know it. What I mean is, a lot of people spend time trying to figure out what the meaning of life is. They think that behind each of life's mysteries, there is a clever answer or an answer that HAS to be there. And when there's not an answer, we dismiss it as crazy. And the crazy concept is something we call faith, just having the ability that, no matter how simple or how complex the situation is, there are sometimes no answers to the questions we have. And I wholeheartedly believe that life is an intriguing mess to watch, at times, with some memorable characters and twists.

I did not start watching LOST until 3-4 months ago. My wife and I started with Season 1 on Netflix instant download and got caught up by last night. It was fun to watch the entire series so quickly...I don't know what I would have done if I had to wait a week at a time for the next episode.

I also thought the theological similarities were fun to identify too (yes, I am Christian). I am going to be reading a book that a friend sent me called, The Gospel According to LOST, by Chris Seay. I am looking forward to seeing what the author identified that I missed while watching the series.

I am sad to see it end, but it had to. It was the right time and I was not disappointed with the way it wrapped up.

Rohirrim
05-24-2010, 07:01 AM
The strange thing is that for me the ending was emotionally satisfying but not intellectually satisfying. All the loose ends did not get tied up, but all the reunions brought a feeling of satisfaction. Like my Shakespeare professor once said, a tragedy is when the hero is removed from society and left isolated, and a comedy is when the hero (or heroes) start out separate and then are brought together in the end. All I could say at the end was the words of the Grateful Dead: What a long, strange trip it's been.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-24-2010, 07:03 AM
That was limp.

And what was the final shot? Rusting plane wreckage on the beach. You know what that says to me? They were dead all along. They all died in the plane crash. Obviously, nobody lives through a plane coming apart in midair. So, it's always been a purgatorium.

The island was real as were their interactions. The plane shown in the credits represents "life going on". It wasn't a flashback shot, it was a present day with everyone dead and moved on.

Rohirrim
05-24-2010, 07:13 AM
The island was real as were their interactions. The plane shown in the credits represents "life going on". It wasn't a flashback shot, it was a present day with everyone dead and moved on.

I disagree. The only reason to show that wreckage in the final shot was to show that it was all a dream. There were no little huts from airplane parts, like the "survivors" had built, or piled up provisions and luggage. Just wreckage rusting in the sun. Nobody survived. That was the clear message, IMHO.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-24-2010, 07:37 AM
I disagree. The only reason to show that wreckage in the final shot was to show that it was all a dream. There were no little huts from airplane parts, like the "survivors" had built, or piled up provisions and luggage. Just wreckage rusting in the sun. Nobody survived. That was the clear message, IMHO.

The writers, for all their flaws, wouldn't put a Newhart ending on something so detailed. The wreckage was a homage to show where it all started.

If everyone died in the crash, then how where people that weren't even on the plane tied together in the church at the end?

Rohirrim
05-24-2010, 07:45 AM
The writers, for all their flaws, wouldn't put a Newhart ending on something so detailed. The wreckage was a homage to show where it all started.

If everyone died in the crash, then how where people that weren't even on the plane tied together in the church at the end?

They were the inhabitants of the "purgatory" island. They were souls already on the island when the crash "survivors" got there. The "others."

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-24-2010, 07:52 AM
They were the inhabitants of the "purgatory" island. They were souls already on the island when the crash "survivors" got there. The "others."

But a good number of those got to the island because of the actions of the crash survivors. The island, as bizarre as it was, was real as was the crash, the survivors and all their actions. It was their connection to each other (as the creators said the show, ultimately, was a character study) that had them seeking each other out in the sideways world. Their interaction with each other was the way they knew to find each other in the flash-sideways and that they were ultimately soulmates in the afterlife-to-be.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-24-2010, 07:56 AM
My homie CJ Wilson spells it out quite well. The guy is a Lost freak.

http://www.leftylefty.com/users/cj/blogs/411181

Sir_Robin
05-24-2010, 07:59 AM
I disagree. The only reason to show that wreckage in the final shot was to show that it was all a dream. There were no little huts from airplane parts, like the "survivors" had built, or piled up provisions and luggage. Just wreckage rusting in the sun. Nobody survived. That was the clear message, IMHO.

I saw piled up clothes.

tsiguy96
05-24-2010, 08:01 AM
I'm just frustrated because there are numerous problems with either scenario.

1. The whole island story and "alternate reality" story were both parts of purgatory.

Problems: lazy and goes against everything the writers/producers said from day one.

2. The island story was "real life" and just the "alternate reality" introduced this past season was purgatory.

Problems: take your pick. Go to just about any Lost site today and they'll have lists of the dozens of major themes (Walt, Dharma, time travel, Daniel's mother, the season one monster that was clearly not the smoke monster, the Egyptian statues, etc) from the Island that just got ignored, disappeared from the story unexpectedly and/or never were explained.
im not saying they ignored a lot of stuff, i really really wish they talked a bit more about what happened with the island and why the island worked the way it did, but the reviewer people have a point, at the end of the day the story was more about the characters.

Pick Six
05-24-2010, 08:07 AM
Actually it only got better as time went on. That's why it sucked to see it get canceled. First season was good, but had some hit and miss but did better right at the end (the middle was a little here or there). The second was superior - it followed the main story arch much more.


The "Legend of the Seeker" finale actually felt like a finale, which was nice...

Beantown Bronco
05-24-2010, 08:09 AM
But a good number of those got to the island because of the actions of the crash survivors.

Did they really? An argument could be made against that.

Kid A
05-24-2010, 08:12 AM
The strange thing is that for me the ending was emotionally satisfying but not intellectually satisfying. All the loose ends did not get tied up, but all the reunions brought a feeling of satisfaction. Like my Shakespeare professor once said, a tragedy is when the hero is removed from society and left isolated, and a comedy is when the hero (or heroes) start out separate and then are brought together in the end. All I could say at the end was the words of the Grateful Dead: What a long, strange trip it's been.

Given there were 6 years of questions and odds and ends, they chose the best approach to ending it. I was actually very pleasantly surprised they decided shift most the focus off explaining or revealing a whole lot and made it about looking back and reuniting characters.

Still 99.9% sure the Island was reality. At the end Christian Shepherd said the group that was in the church was there because their time on the island shared together had been the most important part of their life. Characters like Walt, Ana Lucia, and Daniel Faraday didn't go with them because, while they did go to the island, it wasn't nearly as important (or large) a portion of their lives.

Also, it wouldn't make sense for the island to be a purgatory followed by another purgatory before they can move on. There is definitely some reincarnation philosophy though, of learning and building on past lives/experience before finally being able to ascend to nirvana.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-24-2010, 08:14 AM
Did they really? An argument could be made against that.

Cause and effect.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-24-2010, 08:19 AM
Given there were 6 years of questions and odds and ends, they chose the best approach to ending it. I was actually very pleasantly surprised they decided shift most the focus off explaining or revealing a whole lot and made it about looking back and reuniting characters.

Still 99.9% sure the Island was reality. At the end Christian Shepherd said the group that was in the church was there because their time on the island shared together had been the most important part of their life. Characters like Walt, Ana Lucia, and Daniel Faraday didn't go with them because, while they did go to the island, it wasn't nearly as important (or large) a portion of their lives.

Also, it wouldn't make sense for the island to be a purgatory followed by another purgatory before they can move on. There is definitely some reincarnation philosophy though, of learning and building on past lives/experience before finally being able to ascend to nirvana.

Yeah, I cant imagine the island was purgatory, but I would like more answers as to what it actually was. While I enjoyed the reunions, glad these miserable people found piece, i would have preferred a more science oriented ending where the nuke somehow created this alternate time line and blah blah.

tsiguy96
05-24-2010, 08:19 AM
Given there were 6 years of questions and odds and ends, they chose the best approach to ending it. I was actually very pleasantly surprised they decided shift most the focus off explaining or revealing a whole lot and made it about looking back and reuniting characters.

Still 99.9% sure the Island was reality. At the end Christian Shepherd said the group that was in the church was there because their time on the island shared together had been the most important part of their life. Characters like Walt, Ana Lucia, and Daniel Faraday didn't go with them because, while they did go to the island, it wasn't nearly as important (or large) a portion of their lives.

Also, it wouldn't make sense for the island to be a purgatory followed by another purgatory before they can move on. There is definitely some reincarnation philosophy though, of learning and building on past lives/experience before finally being able to ascend to nirvana.

if you watched the jimmy kimmel post show, you will see that walt did not go because his soul or whatever remained on the island, he was one of the whispers that were heard in the woods.

Rabb
05-24-2010, 08:21 AM
if you watched the jimmy kimmel post show, you will see that walt did not go because his soul or whatever remained on the island, he was one of the whispers that were heard in the woods.

which (in my mind) very directly feeds the debate that the island was not real

Rohirrim
05-24-2010, 08:25 AM
It seems to me from going around on the web and getting different takes on this thing, that those who are more mathematically inclined tend to buy into some kind of quantum physics explanation for the island and what happened there, while those who are not so mathematical are arguing for explanations based on mythology. In a way, that typifies the main conflict of the entire series - the conflict between Jack (the man of science) and Locke (the man of faith). Maybe both realities are true? In the end, whatever the time continuum or plane it happens in, Locke turns to Jack, the doctor, to fix him, and on the island, Jack points out to Smokey that he is not Locke, and could never understand Locke, and that Locke was right about the island all along.

Kid A
05-24-2010, 08:52 AM
Maybe both realities are true? In the end, whatever the time continuum or plane it happens in, Locke turns to Jack, the doctor, to fix him, and on the island, Jack points out to Smokey that he is not Locke, and could never understand Locke, and that Locke was right about the island all along.

Interesting parallel. I think you're right.

tsiguy96
05-24-2010, 09:07 AM
which (in my mind) very directly feeds the debate that the island was not real

matthew fox also said he thinks that jimmy was right about his theory that the island was real and the alter-timeline was not.

Beantown Bronco
05-24-2010, 09:09 AM
Still 99.9% sure the Island was reality. At the end Christian Shepherd said the group that was in the church was there because their time on the island shared together had been the most important part of their life. Characters like Walt, Ana Lucia, and Daniel Faraday didn't go with them because, while they did go to the island, it wasn't nearly as important (or large) a portion of their lives.

I don't care if I was only there a few days. I find it hard to believe that the Island would ever NOT be a huge part of my life. Seriously. Daniel thought that much of his time on stage with Driveshaft but didn't value all the time and effort put into his multiple trips to the Island? Odd.

Rabb
05-24-2010, 09:16 AM
matthew fox also said he thinks that jimmy was right about his theory that the island was real and the alter-timeline was not.

well, then there were some pretty major loose ends never tied up

truthfully I don't care, it was an entertaining show for me from day one to last night

houghtam
05-24-2010, 09:22 AM
I don't care if I was only there a few days. I find it hard to believe that the Island would ever NOT be a huge part of my life. Seriously. Daniel thought that much of his time on stage with Driveshaft but didn't value all the time and effort put into his multiple trips to the Island? Odd.

Daniel was never actually on stage with Driveshaft. That was purgatory for the main characters, so presumably all the other characters in the "flash-sideways" didn't really exist. It's also entirely possible that the Daniel's sick girlfriend storyline (as referenced in the "real" timeline a few seasons ago) were more influential in his life, and so his "purgatory" would consist of that storyline instead of the island storyline.

Beantown Bronco
05-24-2010, 09:25 AM
Daniel was never actually on stage with Driveshaft. That was purgatory for the main characters, so presumably all the other characters in the "flash-sideways" didn't really exist.

If not, then why did his mother ask Desmond if he was going to be taking him as well during the concert? That was part of his purgatory/storyline too IMO.

Kid A
05-24-2010, 09:26 AM
I don't care if I was only there a few days. I find it hard to believe that the Island would ever NOT be a huge part of my life. Seriously. Daniel thought that much of his time on stage with Driveshaft but didn't value all the time and effort put into his multiple trips to the Island? Odd.

Well I think it had more to do with the importance of the relationships. For instance, I think Walt probably grew up to have some more important experiences. But yeah, I guess Daniel and his girlfriend would have gone, but it seemed like his mom wanted him to stick around in purgatory a little longer? Whatever.

I'm also thinking it's a little odd Sayid is going off into eternity with Shannon who he had the island fling with as opposed to Nadia, the women he pined for for years and I think was married to before she was shot or something.

Rabb
05-24-2010, 09:27 AM
If not, then why did his mother ask Desmond if he was going to be taking him as well during the concert? That was part of his purgatory/storyline too IMO.

not just that but Daniel said in the dressing room that he was playing with Drive Shaft

Pseudofool
05-24-2010, 11:28 AM
The ending was fine in that the show was always about characters relationships with eachother and their sense of morality and justice. It is too bad that show got lost in its own mythos, and really failed to deliver on the level of how and why.

The show would have been much tighter had they not wasted two seasons on time travel, I think.

(And the notion that the writers new the convoluted story from the beginning is laughable, they might have an idea about ending the show on Jack's death and having some surrealist place where all the characters meet, but beyond that, they made up this crap as they went along.)

Rohirrim
05-24-2010, 11:38 AM
Here's another take:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/168483/SIMPSONS-LOST.jpg

Pseudofool
05-24-2010, 11:41 AM
If not, then why did his mother ask Desmond if he was going to be taking him as well during the concert? That was part of his purgatory/storyline too IMO. I don't think the writers honestly though everything through. I can come up with explanations but it's just guessing and there's no textual evidence to grant much clarity...

R8R H8R
05-24-2010, 12:39 PM
I for one enjoyed the finale for its emotional payoff, but admit it was lacking in finality payoff. Would I have preferred a better explaination to the island's mysteries? Sure, you bet. However, it was the characters and their interaction that hooked me on the show, not necessarily the smoke monster, the light, etc.

In hindsight, I think the producers could have easily answered some of these questions much earlier in the show without ruining the "mystery" of it all. For example, there is no reason they couldn't have explained the "whispers" much earlier such as in season 4 or something. By waiting until the middle of the very last season any answer at all becomes extremely anti-climatic.

Same with Jacob, MIB, etc. These are things that all could have been explained earlier and still kept us guessing on were it was all going.

Anyway, like I said, I was emotionally very satisfied with the ending, and can appreciate that in true Lost style, the writers still left some things open for interpretation. I.E., was the island purgatory as the last scene of the wreckage would suggest or was the ALT purgatory as Christain explained to Jack?

As mentioned, it was all open to interpretation. The scenario that made the most sense to me is the one where the island is reality and the ALT is a purgatory of sorts. But you may see it differently, and that's OK. That is just what the producers want, imo.

One last thing, I think Walt wasn't in the church because he hasn't died yet in reality. However, that begs the question on what his dad, Michael, has to do to get his soul off the island? I don't know, but maybe that can be explained in a spin-off. You never know. :sunshine:

houghtam
05-24-2010, 01:09 PM
Here's another take:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/168483/SIMPSONS-LOST.jpg

Simpsons is just pissed because they haven't been good or relevant in over 10 years.

TonyR
05-24-2010, 01:25 PM
Part 1 of EW's recap just posted. This guy always has pretty good thoughts on the show.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20387946,00.html

Rohirrim
05-24-2010, 01:43 PM
That was a good read. I think I'll watch it again tonight, without the commercials, just to see what I pick up that I missed last night.

Bronco Yoda
05-24-2010, 02:03 PM
Now we know why Baja left. He's the one now stuck watching the island.

Wonder where Ben is heading?

Satisfied with the ending. Still mulling over the loose ends.

epicSocialism4tw
05-24-2010, 02:21 PM
It seems to me from going around on the web and getting different takes on this thing, that those who are more mathematically inclined tend to buy into some kind of quantum physics explanation for the island and what happened there, while those who are not so mathematical are arguing for explanations based on mythology. In a way, that typifies the main conflict of the entire series - the conflict between Jack (the man of science) and Locke (the man of faith). Maybe both realities are true? In the end, whatever the time continuum or plane it happens in, Locke turns to Jack, the doctor, to fix him, and on the island, Jack points out to Smokey that he is not Locke, and could never understand Locke, and that Locke was right about the island all along.

I'm fairly certain that the producers of the show intended for the faith/science theme to be part of the core of the show. Both are means of satisfying questions about life. One answers mechanical "how" questions, and the other answers with reasons "why". In the end there were answers to both, and the producers did the beautiful thing of saying that neither of them are as important as your choices and the way you treat others.

Bronco Yoda
05-24-2010, 02:54 PM
Supposedly there is going to be additional scenes (about 20 minutes of them) on the DVD set that will answer yet more questions, as well as other answers given by the creators.

UberBroncoMan
05-24-2010, 03:51 PM
Supposedly there is going to be additional scenes (about 20 minutes of them) on the DVD set that will answer yet more questions, as well as other answers given by the creators.

Smart move too. Should push a few extra sales. Not a ton though since the answers will be leaked online.

houghtam
05-24-2010, 07:09 PM
I'm fairly certain that the producers of the show intended for the faith/science theme to be part of the core of the show. Both are means of satisfying questions about life. One answers mechanical "how" questions, and the other answers with reasons "why". In the end there were answers to both, and the producers did the beautiful thing of saying that neither of them are as important as your choices and the way you treat others.

Beat me to it.

The how and the why don't matter. It's the what.

Cmac821
05-24-2010, 07:34 PM
I watched the first couple seasons and this show blew my mind, I spent weeks picking up my brain from my carpet floor.

Might have to check it out if they are on DVD now, maybe I will understand now.

jutang
05-24-2010, 08:25 PM
One thing that confused me about the sideways realm was Jack's son. Did he ever really exist b/c towards the end Locke tells Jack that "he doesn't have a son." That was the biggest flaw I felt with the sideways realm... new people existing and characters dying.

Note to the Mr. Echo actor... Kevin and Bean, a LA morning show, mentioned he wanted 5x the asking salary to reappear for the series finale. He also pissed and moaned his way off the show and that he was originally signed on for 4 seasons... but asked out. Evidently Hawaii wasn't comfortable enough for him.

tsiguy96
05-24-2010, 08:32 PM
One thing that confused me about the sideways realm was Jack's son. Did he ever really exist b/c towards the end Locke tells Jack that "he doesn't have a son." That was the biggest flaw I felt with the sideways realm... new people existing and characters dying.

Note to the Mr. Echo actor... Kevin and Bean, a LA morning show, mentioned he wanted 5x the asking salary to reappear for the series finale. He also pissed and moaned his way off the show and that he was originally signed on for 4 seasons... but asked out. Evidently Hawaii wasn't comfortable enough for him.

mr. echo was awesome

they created that sideways realm, purgatory, in their mind. in jacks mind he had a son, so it was so. but he didnt, it was in his head, as was the rest of the realm for everyone.

Bronco Yoda
05-24-2010, 11:17 PM
If not, then why did his mother ask Desmond if he was going to be taking him as well during the concert? That was part of his purgatory/storyline too IMO.

I agree. Everyone was dead at the concert. His mother knew the reality of the situation like Desmond but still can't let go. Jack Didn't have a son but gave himself one here.

Pseudofool
05-24-2010, 11:45 PM
Walt? Michael? Characters that were so essential to the beginning of the series just dissipate completely?

Rohirrim
05-25-2010, 07:12 AM
Walt? Michael? Characters that were so essential to the beginning of the series just dissipate completely?

I'll bet we discover that there were contract issues behind that as well. Walt went on with his life, living with his grandma in NY. Didn't Michael get blown up on the ship?

tsiguy96
05-25-2010, 07:14 AM
need to realize the only people in the church at the end of the show was the core group of people. michaels soul was trapped on the island as one of the whispers heard in the forrest. walt likely lived another 60 years after the show, his entire core life was not dedicated to the island or the people on it, just a small fraction of his early years was, so he would not need to be in that group of people.

Rohirrim
05-25-2010, 07:24 AM
I'll tell you how I would have ended it. The reunion in the church was a great scene, but I would have had Jacob leading the way, not Jack's dad (although he would have been there for the reunion with Jack). And in the final scene, Locke would have returned to the island to be the caretaker for the rest of time. Everyone would have hugged Locke and then he would have exited the church from the opposite door from the door of light.

SCENE:
DAYLIGHT - The beach. We follow a man's footprints in the sand. Past the rusting wreckage of a plane. The prints of a dog join those of the man. As the camera rises up from the footprints we see a point of land in the distance and a man and his dog stand there, beneath a palm tree, looking out to sea. As we get closer the man turns and begins to walk toward the jungle. It is Locke. Vincent, the dog, trots beside him.

CLOSEUP: Locke gives his trademark smile and then disappears into the jungle. Just as we FADE TO WHITE we hear the SOUND of a jet approaching. Clearly, it sounds as if the engines are failing.
;D

R8R H8R
05-25-2010, 11:48 AM
I'll tell you how I would have ended it. The reunion in the church was a great scene, but I would have had Jacob leading the way, not Jack's dad (although he would have been there for the reunion with Jack). And in the final scene, Locke would have returned to the island to be the caretaker for the rest of time. Everyone would have hugged Locke and then he would have exited the church from the opposite door from the door of light.

SCENE:
DAYLIGHT - The beach. We follow a man's footprints in the sand. Past the rusting wreckage of a plane. The prints of a dog join those of the man. As the camera rises up from the footprints we see a point of land in the distance and a man and his dog stand there, beneath a palm tree, looking out to sea. As we get closer the man turns and begins to walk toward the jungle. It is Locke. Vincent, the dog, trots beside him.

CLOSEUP: Locke gives his trademark smile and then disappears into the jungle. Just as we FADE TO WHITE we hear the SOUND of a jet approaching. Clearly, it sounds as if the engines are failing.
;D

Actually, I like this. This scenario would have given closure to Jacob which I don't think we got. Also, since Locke didn't have a mate with him at the church, and considering his history of the island, your ending would be very fitting for him. However, the trick would to somehow make it clear to the audience that this is the real Lock, not MIB, otherwise they would be confused.

The only thing I would change is instead of a jet, since it was used with the castaways already, make it an approaching cruise ship with fierce storm clouds in the distance. It could be a modern-day Black Rock!

houghtam
05-25-2010, 12:55 PM
Actually, I like this. This scenario would have given closure to Jacob which I don't think we got. Also, since Locke didn't have a mate with him at the church, and considering his history of the island, your ending would be very fitting for him. However, the trick would to somehow make it clear to the audience that this is the real Lock, not MIB, otherwise they would be confused.

The only thing I would change is instead of a jet, since it was used with the castaways already, make it an approaching cruise ship with fierce storm clouds in the distance.

The problem I have with that is that you don't have the payoff of Jack's evolution from man of science to man of faith.

BroncoInferno
05-25-2010, 03:05 PM
Bull**** ending. OK, I get it, the sideways world was some kind of purgatory they a created until they could meet up with each other at the end, while the island events were real. Fine. I'm cool with that. But they didn't explain the ****ing island! Why did it need to be protected? Why did it select certain people to go there? Why were some allowed to leave and not others? They explained NONE of that ****. I can't believe so many people found the ending satisfying. The producers copped out. the ending proves they were pretty much winging it after the first couple of seasons.

Kid A
05-25-2010, 03:21 PM
But they didn't explain the ****ing island! Why did it need to be protected?

Really? This was all they talked about for the last month.

Jacob explained it was a "cork" keeping evil from over taking the world. And (somewhat cheesily) there literally was a cork like stone blocking that hole at the heart of the island. When Desmond removed it all hell seemed to literally break free. When it was maintained there and protected there was balance and light. So why it needed to be protected seemed really clear to me.

Why did it select certain people to go there? Why were some allowed to leave and not others? They explained NONE of that ****.

In the second to last episode Jacob explained that he picked people he thought would be candidates to take over his duties and help him defeat his evil brother. He wasn't sure who it would be, but he specifically mentioned picking people who, like him, were very alone in their lives.

That might not explain perfectly why everyone was there, but it is a very direct answer as to why the core cast was there. The rest who were maybe casualties or collateral damage might have a problem with being brought there by Jacob, but I guess he would view their sacrifice as worth it given the Island's importance.

No doubt there were a lot of questions unanswered, and I would say some major developments weren't thought of by the writers until these last couple years. Still, I think a lot of the general big themes (why the castaways were there, why Ben, Widmore and Dharma saw the island as so important) were there from day 1. While veiled in a lot vague "magic" kind of talk, I think they were pretty clear about the major issues in the last few episodes. And a lot of the other questions have answers that aren't to hard to figure out even if they weren't directly given.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-25-2010, 03:31 PM
If they had to answer every little detail from the show, then the finale would have been 12 hours long.

As it is, they've admitted it was a character study. With that, none of the little details ultimately mattered in the way they wrapped it up.

houghtam
05-25-2010, 03:47 PM
If they had to answer every little detail from the show, then the finale would have been 12 hours long.

As it is, they've admitted it was a character study. With that, none of the little details ultimately mattered in the way they wrapped it up.

Exactly. Complaining about not explaining the island would be like complaining that they didn't show the reading of Bruce Wayne's father's Will in Batman. The guy's a multi-millionaire, that's the given. This is what he does with the money. Watch and enjoy.

R8R H8R
05-25-2010, 04:09 PM
The problem I have with that is that you don't have the payoff of Jack's evolution from man of science to man of faith.

Which part is preventing the payoff? Jacob leading at the church or Locke assuming the caretaker role?
BTW, I think what Rohirrim is saying is to have the real Lock be caretaker of the island after Jack dies.

Jack's conversion began when he detonated JugHead and ended at his death, so I don't think this would have interfered with the payoff.

TonyR
05-25-2010, 05:13 PM
Part 1 of EW's recap just posted. This guy always has pretty good thoughts on the show.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20387946,00.html

Here's part 2, posted this evening.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20388269,00.html

Rohirrim
05-25-2010, 05:24 PM
Which part is preventing the payoff? Jacob leading at the church or Locke assuming the caretaker role?
BTW, I think what Rohirrim is saying is to have the real Lock be caretaker of the island after Jack dies.

Jack's conversion began when he detonated JugHead and ended at his death, so I don't think this would have interfered with the payoff.

Yep. I just think throughout the entire story, Locke is "feeling" the island. He's the one who is treated, by Jacob, as somebody with a special relationship with the island. He's the one who first decides that he doesn't want to leave. To me, it would have been the perfect resolution to have Locke become the caretaker of the island at the very end.

Xenos
05-25-2010, 11:29 PM
Bull**** ending. OK, I get it, the sideways world was some kind of purgatory they a created until they could meet up with each other at the end, while the island events were real. Fine. I'm cool with that. But they didn't explain the ****ing island! Why did it need to be protected? Why did it select certain people to go there? Why were some allowed to leave and not others? They explained NONE of that ****. I can't believe so many people found the ending satisfying. The producers copped out. the ending proves they were pretty much winging it after the first couple of seasons.

I just want to address this one. My theory is that it tied into life and death like Jacob's mother said, and that if the island's light went out, then the Losties would never have found each other at the end. Like Hugo told Richard, if they didn't stop the MIB, then they were all going to hell. Literally.

dbfan21
05-26-2010, 07:13 AM
Here's part 2, posted this evening.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20388269,00.html

That was really good. I like how he explained the Sideways world and unpacked Jack's experience. ^5

Dagmar
05-26-2010, 08:33 AM
http://icanhasinternets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/haterad2.jpg

Kid A
05-26-2010, 09:05 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/583872/lost-a-dream-at-dog-o.gif

Rohirrim
05-26-2010, 09:34 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/583872/lost-a-dream-at-dog-o.gif

Hilarious!

TonyR
05-26-2010, 09:59 AM
For those still thinking the wreckage scene shown at the end while the credits rolled meant something, it didn't. ABC added that, not the writers.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/26/lost-final-scenes-wreckage/

houghtam
05-26-2010, 10:21 AM
Which part is preventing the payoff? Jacob leading at the church or Locke assuming the caretaker role?
BTW, I think what Rohirrim is saying is to have the real Lock be caretaker of the island after Jack dies.

Jack's conversion began when he detonated JugHead and ended at his death, so I don't think this would have interfered with the payoff.

Locke's caretaker role.

Locke was not the chosen one. I think it is much more meaningful (to me, at least) for Jack's evolution that Locke, for all the faith he put into the island, dies without seeing that payoff.

R8R H8R
05-26-2010, 10:26 AM
For those still thinking the wreckage scene shown at the end while the credits rolled meant something, it didn't. ABC added that, not the writers.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/26/lost-final-scenes-wreckage/

This is what happens when empty suits who think too much get themselves involved in the creative process. As obsessive as many fans are of the show, you would think they would have been careful about what they put into the very ending.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2010, 10:44 AM
This is what happens when empty suits who think too much get themselves involved in the creative process. As obsessive as many fans are of the show, you would think they would have been careful about what they put into the very ending.

I didnt get why people thought that anyway. The black LOST graphic came up to signify the end. I never thought twice about the images at the end.

R8R H8R
05-26-2010, 10:56 AM
I didnt get why people thought that anyway. The black LOST graphic came up to signify the end. I never thought twice about the images at the end.

Yes, I'm with you; but just look at some of the posts on this thread, or go on any Lost message board. There is a big disagreement on whether the ALT was purgatory or if everyone died in the crash and the island was purgatory. And the ending is what is fueling the fire.

Beantown Bronco
05-26-2010, 11:42 AM
I didnt get why people thought that anyway. The black LOST graphic came up to signify the end. I never thought twice about the images at the end.

Go see any of the recent Marvel movies (Ironman 1/2, Hulk) and you'll realize that the ending credits don't exactly signify the end of the movie.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2010, 01:57 PM
Go see any of the recent Marvel movies (Ironman 1/2, Hulk) and you'll realize that the ending credits don't exactly signify the end of the movie.

I didnt say the end of a movie, i said the end of LOST. Which always ends their shows with a tag signifying that....its the END! Whats hard to understand?

As for the people who thought they were dead the entire time, i dont know what show they were watching, but i thought christian's speech at the end made it fairly clear that the island time was real.

Rohirrim
05-26-2010, 02:01 PM
I'm already having a Lost jones.

Beantown Bronco
05-26-2010, 02:14 PM
I didnt say the end of a movie, i said the end of LOST. Which always ends their shows with a tag signifying that....its the END! Whats hard to understand?


Well, how about the fact that it didn't end with the tag this time? There was a conscious decision NOT to end it that way for the finale. And, at the time, we didn't know whose decision that was and what may have been intended in doing so. Obviously, you're simply not seeing that based on the debates raging among the various Lost boards. People that thought it was a simple "throwaway" scene are clearly in the 1% minority, at least before the announcement from the producers.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2010, 02:16 PM
Well, how about the fact that it didn't end with the tag this time? There was a conscious decision NOT to end it that way for the finale. And, at the time, we didn't know whose decision that was and what may have been intended in doing so. Obviously, you're simply not seeing that based on the debates raging among the various Lost boards. People that thought it was a simple "throwaway" scene are clearly in the 1% minority, at least before the announcement from the producers.

Unless im crazy, it totally ended with a the tag. I've seen the lost boards, i just never agreed with it. And your one percent thing isnt true...there was a poll on EW where 56 percent of the people thought it was a throwaway.

ColoradoDarin
05-26-2010, 02:31 PM
Unless im crazy, it totally ended with a the tag. I've seen the lost boards, i just never agreed with it. And your one percent thing isnt true...there was a poll on EW where 56 percent of the people thought it was a throwaway.

But this is the first time the Series has ever ended, so we don't know how they end that.... :thanku:

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2010, 02:34 PM
But this is the first time the Series has ever ended, so we don't know how they end that.... :thanku:

Whatever, i just never thought it was anything other than scenery. That would have been a hell of a statement, thats completely ambiguous, to throw in at the end. Plus, the idea that the whole thing was purgatory doesnt even make sense.

ColoradoDarin
05-26-2010, 02:43 PM
Whatever, i just never thought it was anything other than scenery. That would have been a hell of a statement, thats completely ambiguous, to throw in at the end. Plus, the idea that the whole thing was purgatory doesnt even make sense.

I'm just busting ya a bit :) It did confuse me for a little bit. You end with Jack closing his eye the same way he opened it, and in the same spot where he landed from the plane crash... fade to black... Lost... plane wreckage? I was wondering if it was all in Jack's mind at the point he crashed from the plane - meaning everything was imagined - and he was just having a vision while he died in 2004 without moving from that spot.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2010, 02:48 PM
I'm just busting ya a bit :) It did confuse me for a little bit. You end with Jack closing his eye the same way he opened it, and in the same spot where he landed from the plane crash... fade to black... Lost... plane wreckage? I was wondering if it was all in Jack's mind at the point he crashed from the plane - meaning everything was imagined - and he was just having a vision while he died in 2004 without moving from that spot.

I get why people might infer something like this...but its a huge leap all things considered. Just using Occams razor (if you will) would lead you to believe they arent making some huge statement after the show had a definitive conclusion.

Rohirrim
05-26-2010, 02:50 PM
I think they initially had two more seasons to go and when the numbers started slipping, the producers pulled the plug so the writers just threw a bunch of crap at the wall in the hopes that something would stick.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2010, 02:52 PM
I think they initially had two more seasons to go and when the numbers started slipping, the producers pulled the plug so the writers just threw a bunch of crap at the wall in the hopes that something would stick.

Nah, they called their own shots with this. They knew 3 seasons out which season would be their last. They've said they could have gone a bit more indepth or a bit less, but the conclusion would have been similar. And i tend to believe this. Under the theory above, you are suggesting they had five more seasons laid out when that decision was made. Simply put, no friggin way.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2010, 03:30 PM
I'm already having a Lost jones.

It really is the most philosophically significant thing to come across the TV in ages. It reached a depth usually reserved only for large works of literature.

My girlfriend and I will watch the boxed set front to back over the next couple of years...after having seen the resoultion, it will be alot of fun watching the show again.

The more the ending has sat with me, the more I appreciate what these folks did with this show. Brilliant for the times.

ColoradoDarin
05-26-2010, 04:21 PM
It really is the most philosophically significant thing to come across the TV in ages. It reached a depth usually reserved only for large works of literature.

My girlfriend and I will watch the boxed set front to back over the next couple of years...after having seen the resoultion, it will be alot of fun watching the show again.

The more the ending has sat with me, the more I appreciate what these folks did with this show. Brilliant for the times.

All the LA-X stuff I don't care for, it was entirely worthless IMO. But the on-Island action for the final season was some of the best in the history of TV.

Rohirrim
05-26-2010, 04:22 PM
Nah, they called their own shots with this. They knew 3 seasons out which season would be their last. They've said they could have gone a bit more indepth or a bit less, but the conclusion would have been similar. And i tend to believe this. Under the theory above, you are suggesting they had five more seasons laid out when that decision was made. Simply put, no friggin way.

Wow, what else did you learn while sitting in on the writer meetings? Share the stuff.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-26-2010, 05:04 PM
Wow, what else did you learn while sitting in on the writer meetings? Share the stuff.

Trust me, ive worked for tv shows, no one has their shows mapped out for 5 years. They just don't. In past Lost interviews, they've even said they have a general idea of what they want to do and can make their storyline adjust accordingly. They decided they could wrap it up in 3 years, 3 years ago (this was announced publically). (and i know someone who works for Bad Robot, so i hear things:)

TonyR
05-26-2010, 05:37 PM
They decided they could wrap it up in 3 years, 3 years ago (this was announced publically).

This is true. They did announce a definite end date 3 years out and planned accordingly.

TexanBob
05-27-2010, 04:37 PM
I haven't read any reviews but I enjoyed the heck out the series during it's six-year run. The way I see the ending is like a candle that is blown out. The flame is "dying" but, for a short time, it continues to live and fights desperately to survive. A spark or two might fly away from the candle but, ultimately, all of the fire is snuffed out.

It's satisfying to me to believe that all on the island were dead or dying but they had time to fight for their survival in a crazy, makes-no-sense chaotic sort of way before running out of time and dying off.

It doesn't make sense and wasn't suppose to make sense because rarely does one's last moments of life make total sense.

Like many of you, I wish the pieces had fit together better (where was Mr. Eko and his brother in this great finale?) but I can accept that it ended the way it did and that the souls could join together and come to a new afterlife. It's not a completely satisfying explanation but it's the best way I can rationalize it.

At least it didn't turn out to be some old man's dream or some druggie's hallucination.

TonyR
05-27-2010, 05:00 PM
...where was Mr. Eko and his brother in this great finale...

Lost's Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje—who played the iconic Mr. Eko—was offered a guest spot in last night's Lost series finale, but he...wait for it...turned it down.

According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out.

Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182526_losts_adewale_akinnuoye-agbaje_turned.html#ixzz0pB4V5kOs

tsiguy96
05-27-2010, 05:03 PM
darkufo made a point taht i really think may be true.

the original plan was for the island to be purgatory, but people sorta figured that out right away. so they changed it, just a bit.

a lot of the backstory doesnt make sense still, but i liked the show and the ending.

OrangenBlueOhio
05-27-2010, 07:15 PM
If they all died in the crash, and the island was a form of purgatory, and then they all reunited at the church because they "meant so much to each other" how could they mean so much to each other if all they ever shared was a plane ride?

If they died on the island, after the crash, and the alternate reality was if the bomb went off, then there will be two of each one of the people who escaped on the plane?

I don't know. My guess is they left the door open for a "major motion picture" coming to theaters near you.

BroncoFiend
05-27-2010, 07:45 PM
If they all died in the crash, and the island was a form of purgatory, and then they all reunited at the church because they "meant so much to each other" how could they mean so much to each other if all they ever shared was a plane ride?

If they died on the island, after the crash, and the alternate reality was if the bomb went off, then there will be two of each one of the people who escaped on the plane?

I don't know. My guess is they left the door open for a "major motion picture" coming to theaters near you.

The crash, surviving the crash and everything else that happened in seasons 1-5 was reality. The 'flash sideways' in season 6 were showing a purgatory-like place that they created when they detonated the bomb. It was a place where they could each resove their issues and find each other before 'moving on'.

Basically the purgatory-like place is open to the interpretation of the viewer, but the purpose of the purgatory was to give the audience the warm and fuzzy feeling that they all were happy and together in the end. The real end was Jack sacrificing himself to save the island and the world, leaving the empathetic Hurley in charge of defending the island in his own way.

Pseudofool
05-27-2010, 08:00 PM
It really is the most philosophically significant thing to come across the TV in ages. It reached a depth usually reserved only for large works of literature.I like Lost, but don't confuse convolution with depth. While they finally got their characters right in the end, the wide vacillations of say, Jack and Sawyer throughout the time traveling seasons, seemed there just to keep tension going. And this doesn't even begin to touch upon the quagmire of the shows mythos. Thematically, Lost was just all over the place, and leaves itself open to too much of choose-your-own interpretation. Look, Lost is a show with high production value, good acting, good scene-by-scene writing and plenty of ambition and creativity, but to call it a literary text...I don't know, too much inconsistency for me.

Honestly, I think BSG will have a lot more staying power as far as a televised literary text with profundity; I just think there's a lot more integrity in the shows momentum, characters, and themes. I guess, I just don't know why people would like LOST more than BSG--other than not being able to get past the sci-fi thing.

Atwater His Ass
05-27-2010, 09:04 PM
When Lost first came out, me and ex watched the first two seasons, looking forward to every episode. But after that, I compeletly lost interest.

Fast forward a few years, and I decided I should give it another go based on how much most people seemed to enjoy it. With Netflix to the rescue, I got all caught up and actually really enjoyed most of it...right until the time travel part...thought it was horrible and so I never bothered to finish the last season.

I found Locke and Ben to be the most interesting characters, I couldn't stand Jack or Kate, and spent most every episode hoping one, if not both would horribly die.

After reaiding up on how it all ended, I have to say it wasn't very impressive to me. It really feels like a hodgepodge of ideas that weren't there from the begininng of the show. I got the same feeling while watching the series, it just kept getting weirder and weirder, with no apparant direction and I finally just got to the point where I couldn't suspend disbelief any longer.

R8R H8R
05-27-2010, 11:06 PM
darkufo made a point taht i really think may be true.

the original plan was for the island to be purgatory, but people sorta figured that out right away. so they changed it, just a bit.

a lot of the backstory doesnt make sense still, but i liked the show and the ending.

That may be true. Mathew Fox (Jack) said on Jimmy Kimmell's show that he knew from the beginning that when they opened the pilot with him opening his eye, that the entire show was going to end with him closing his eye.

Obviously, the producers must have told him that. That tells me that probably they had the idea that the island was some sort of purgatory and the whole island experience was in his head, or something like that. But when the internet fans already guessed that early on, the producers had to change it up.

cousinal11
05-28-2010, 05:36 AM
The crash, surviving the crash and everything else that happened in seasons 1-5 was reality. The 'flash sideways' in season 6 were showing a purgatory-like place that they created when they detonated the bomb. It was a place where they could each resove their issues and find each other before 'moving on'.

Basically the purgatory-like place is open to the interpretation of the viewer, but the purpose of the purgatory was to give the audience the warm and fuzzy feeling that they all were happy and together in the end. The real end was Jack sacrificing himself to save the island and the world, leaving the empathetic Hurley in charge of defending the island in his own way.

Pretty much my interpretation.

The whole LA-X thing still confuses me.

dbfan21
05-28-2010, 09:29 AM
for you LOST junkies out there, this is pretty funny...

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Hilarious!

Xenos
05-28-2010, 10:13 AM
The crash, surviving the crash and everything else that happened in seasons 1-5 was reality. The 'flash sideways' in season 6 were showing a purgatory-like place that they created when they detonated the bomb. It was a place where they could each resove their issues and find each other before 'moving on'.

Basically the purgatory-like place is open to the interpretation of the viewer, but the purpose of the purgatory was to give the audience the warm and fuzzy feeling that they all were happy and together in the end. The real end was Jack sacrificing himself to save the island and the world, leaving the empathetic Hurley in charge of defending the island in his own way.
The flash sideways were real as well. It had absolutely nothing to do with the nuclear bomb going off. All that did was send them back to the present. Basically, the purgatory state was something every major character in Lost that died would go through. Each was different due to each character's desire or feelings or unresolved issues.

Like Jack's dad, Christian Sheppherd, said at the end for Jack and the entire audience: Everything that happened was real. Some people just died later than others, and they eventually just rejoined each other at the end because they were the most important things to each other.

It's why Hurley mentioned that Ben was a great number 2, and Ben responded by saying that Hurley was a great number 1. They remember their time on the island after Jack was gone.

There was some confusion since the purgatory state also seemed to overlap with the present reality like when Juliet said "it worked" right before she died in Sawyer's arms, which was what she said to him when she got the vending machine to work in the purgatory state.

OrangenBlueOhio
05-28-2010, 01:54 PM
I've read the responses since my last post, and thought to myself ok I could see that.... to each one. I'm still confused.

BroncoFiend
05-28-2010, 01:55 PM
The flash sideways were real as well. It had absolutely nothing to do with the nuclear bomb going off. All that did was send them back to the present. Basically, the purgatory state was something every major character in Lost that died would go through. Each was different due to each character's desire or feelings or unresolved issues.

Like Jack's dad, Christian Sheppherd, said at the end for Jack and the entire audience: Everything that happened was real. Some people just died later than others, and they eventually just rejoined each other at the end because they were the most important things to each other.

It's why Hurley mentioned that Ben was a great number 2, and Ben responded by saying that Hurley was a great number 1. They remember their time on the island after Jack was gone.

There was some confusion since the purgatory state also seemed to overlap with the present reality like when Juliet said "it worked" right before she died in Sawyer's arms, which was what she said to him when she got the vending machine to work in the purgatory state.

There is plenty open to interpretation, but I disagree with you.

Juliete said 'it worked' because she got a glimpse of the sideways/purgatory universe before she died(or maybe she died, saw it, came back, then died again). The fact that they started showing that right after the bomb went off leads me to interpret that the bomb created the purgatory universe which Christian basically said when he told Jack that they created the place.

The purgatory universe was real only in that they were consious and aware, but as Christian said at the end, it was a place without time, where they were all dead, which removes it from reality in my book.

Hurley and Ben did run the island together, probably for a very long time, Kate lived her life and died long after Jack which is why she said she missed him so much. Whever someone died they went to that timeless place so it made no difference when they died.

Items I wish were answered:

Why were there rules between Blackie and Jacob?
Why did Jacob permit Dharma to do so much damage to the island and then order them to be killed via Ricard?


I knew there would be things unaswered in a show like this, but it would have been cool to know why.

ColoradoDarin
05-28-2010, 02:42 PM
Items I wish were answered:

Why were there rules between Blackie and Jacob?
Why did Jacob permit Dharma to do so much damage to the island and then order them to be killed via Ricard?


I knew there would be things unaswered in a show like this, but it would have been cool to know why.

The Island protector creates the rules, so Jacob set the rules (was supposed to mirror how MiB set rules when he found that game on the beach), and that's why Hurley could change the rules once he was protector.

Why are there rules in the first place? A wizard did it.

BroncoFiend
05-28-2010, 02:56 PM
The Island protector creates the rules, so Jacob set the rules (was supposed to mirror how MiB set rules when he found that game on the beach), and that's why Hurley could change the rules once he was protector.

Why are there rules in the first place? A wizard did it.

That is as good an answer as any, but it doesn't add up IMO.

No biggie, it was a great show.

Xenos
05-28-2010, 08:25 PM
There is plenty open to interpretation, but I disagree with you.

Juliete said 'it worked' because she got a glimpse of the sideways/purgatory universe before she died(or maybe she died, saw it, came back, then died again). The fact that they started showing that right after the bomb went off leads me to interpret that the bomb created the purgatory universe which Christian basically said when he told Jack that they created the place.

The purgatory universe was real only in that they were consious and aware, but as Christian said at the end, it was a place without time, where they were all dead, which removes it from reality in my book.

Hurley and Ben did run the island together, probably for a very long time, Kate lived her life and died long after Jack which is why she said she missed him so much. Whever someone died they went to that timeless place so it made no difference when they died.

Items I wish were answered:

Why were there rules between Blackie and Jacob?
Why did Jacob permit Dharma to do so much damage to the island and then order them to be killed via Ricard?


I knew there would be things unaswered in a show like this, but it would have been cool to know why.
They showed it right after the bomb went off to trick people into thinking that it actually did something. But it turned out that Faraday and Jack were wrong because as it has been mentioned repeatedly before on the show: "What happened, happened." In fact, the bomb was what actually caused the incident in the first place like Miles said at the end of Season 5.

The purgatory idea where time had no meaning is something that is taken from from religious culture. Though I forgot which one. It seems from reading most of your post, you agree with me. It's just that you think the nuclear bomb actually created that purgatory world.