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stoxman
05-11-2010, 02:22 PM
The beautiful Erica Blasberg of the LPGA was found dead in her NV home on Sunday. 25 years old. I'm in total disbelief and shock. Possible suicide. Sigh.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/05/lpga-golfer-erica-blasbergs-death-puzzles-her-father/1

Los Broncos
05-11-2010, 02:24 PM
WTH? that is very sad.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 03:21 PM
If she killed herself on purpose I have no sympathy, if she OD'ed on drugs I have no sympathy... I guess I don't give a **** unless she died from natural causes or was murdered.

CENSORED VERSION: I wish she didn't kill herself. That's so pointless. It's hard to feel bad for someone who would end their life and put all their loved ones through so much suffering. Hopefully they find out it was from natural causes, as that would alleviate some of the pain.

She was quite a Q T though.

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2006/09-20/c2golf061_264.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-11-2010, 03:24 PM
Wow. Nice bit of compassion, Uber. /rolleyes

Rest in Peace... sounds like she had sort of a rough life off the course in the last several years.

Rabb
05-11-2010, 03:25 PM
Wow. Nice bit of compassion, Uber. /rolleyes

Rest in Peace... sounds like she had sort of a rough life off the course in the last several years.

I was thinking that also...dick move to come crap on a thread where the OP is obviously unhappy about it but whatever

sucks though, never like to see someone driven to that point

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 03:27 PM
Wow. Nice bit of compassion, Uber. /rolleyes

Rest in Peace... sounds like she had sort of a rough life off the course in the last several years.

Sorry man, but anyone who kills themselves gets no compassion from me. You have one life. If you want to throw it away, go for it. But I'm not going to get sad if you do that, unless you're being tortured in a cell of a POW camp and that's the only way out.

Houshyamama
05-11-2010, 03:29 PM
If she killed herself on purpose I have no sympathy, if she OD'ed on drugs I have no sympathy... I guess I don't give a **** unless she died from natural causes or was murdered.

She was quite a Q T though.

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2006/09-20/c2golf061_264.jpg

You must just be a blast at parties ;D

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-11-2010, 03:30 PM
Sorry man, but anyone who kills themselves gets no compassion from me. You have one life. If you want to throw it away, go for it. But I'm not going to get sad if you do that, unless you're being tortured in a cell of a POW camp and that's the only way out.

I guess that's fair. Still sucks for her family, and her friends, and her fans (like the OP). Those people do deserve the compassion, and saying, essentially, "I don't give a **** because of my personal morality" is a pretty dickish thing to do.

I mean, you didn't have to say anything.

TDmvp
05-11-2010, 03:31 PM
Sorry man, but anyone who kills themselves gets no compassion from me. You have one life. If you want to throw it away, go for it. But I'm not going to get sad if you do that, unless you're being tortured in a cell of a POW camp and that's the only way out.



Maybe you should try losing a child to suicide and then have a thought .

But from the sounds of most your post you aint deep enough to think anything that far through.

ghwk
05-11-2010, 03:33 PM
Sorry man, but anyone who kills themselves gets no compassion from me. You have one life. If you want to throw it away, go for it. But I'm not going to get sad if you do that, unless you're being tortured in a cell of a POW camp and that's the only way out.

You would be an awesome role model for kids.

"What? you are 17 and bummed out and thinking about suicide?" "Good for you! Go ahead F**Ker I don't give a S**t about you!"

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 03:40 PM
Maybe you should try losing a child to suicide and then have a thought .

But from the sounds of most your post you aint deep enough to think anything that far through.

Oh I've thought that far, and if I did have a kid that killed themselves I'd look at myself as a complete failure as a father. After all, I'd be a parent who raised a kid that committed suicide. That's totally different than being an outsider to someone that you had no true influence over preventing suicide. Sounds like you didn't think much when you wrote that.


You would be an awesome role model for kids.

"What? you are 17 and bummed out and thinking about suicide?" "Good for you! Go ahead ****er I don't give a S**t about you!"

Never said that. I wouldn't want anyone to kill themselves. I don't advocate it, and I've known someone that did it. Maybe that's why I dislike it and think people who do it are ****ing idiots? I've actually had deep talks with someone that had suicidal thoughts before and that person is now living a happy life.

I said if you DO do it that I won't give a **** though. Big difference there Mr. Jump to Conclusions.

Smiling Assassin27
05-11-2010, 03:46 PM
Seems to me that a suicidal and/or drug addicted person is the epitome of a sympathetic figure. Tearing someone down because of their weakness--be it moral, physical, or mental--is easy. Picking them up when they are in such dire straits is the hard, and virtuous thing to do. Expressing your disdain for them is not.

There but for the grace of God go I...

May she rest in peace.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 03:51 PM
I guess that's fair. Still sucks for her family, and her friends, and her fans (like the OP). Those people do deserve the compassion, and saying, essentially, "I don't give a **** because of my personal morality" is a pretty dickish thing to do.

I mean, you didn't have to say anything.

You're probably right. Still, suicide pisses me off, so that's what got me to make the post. When you kill yourself you're not just doing that. You're putting your family, loved ones, (fans in this case), through a **** ton of a pain. It's a selfish act and in my eyes an act lacking in compassion. Thus why should it be shown in return. If you're going to put everyone through an emotional hell by killing yourself, why should you receive compassion? Get my point? Sucks for the OP and her family etc, but for HER, I don't feel remorse IF she killed herself. It should be noted that suicide hasn't even been confirmed yet.

Los Broncos
05-11-2010, 03:53 PM
If she killed herself on purpose I have no sympathy, if she OD'ed on drugs I have no sympathy... I guess I don't give a **** unless she died from natural causes or was murdered.

She was quite a Q T though.

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2006/09-20/c2golf061_264.jpg


It's not the answer I agree but, have a little compassion man.

People don't wake up everyday and just say their going to kill themselves.

I've had a couple of people close to me in my life who committed suicide, not easy to go through.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 03:57 PM
It's not the answer I agree but, have a little compassion man.

People don't wake up everyday and just say their going to kill themselves.

I've had a couple of people close to me in my life who committed suicide, not easy to go through.

I've gone through it too, and I explain above why I have little compassion for people who take their own life.

Believe me, when someone does it I'm not jumping for joy or happy about it. More or less I'm shaking my head and wishing it went a different way.

Broncosfreak_56
05-11-2010, 03:58 PM
If she killed herself on purpose I have no sympathy, if she OD'ed on drugs I have no sympathy... I guess I don't give a **** unless she died from natural causes or was murdered.

She was quite a Q T though.

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2006/09-20/c2golf061_264.jpg

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/buzz_killington-191x300.jpg

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 03:59 PM
http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/buzz_killington-191x300.jpg

How is there a buzz to kill with suicide? Buzz killing is ruining an enjoyable event, of which this is not.

Kaylore
05-11-2010, 04:00 PM
Uberdouche man.

bombquixote
05-11-2010, 04:00 PM
If she killed herself on purpose I have no sympathy, if she OD'ed on drugs I have no sympathy... I guess I don't give a **** unless she died from natural causes or was murdered.

She was quite a Q T though.

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2006/09-20/c2golf061_264.jpg

Good job being a tool. You practice at it, or are you just a natural?

Broncosfreak_56
05-11-2010, 04:03 PM
How is there a buzz to kill with suicide? Buzz killing is ruining an enjoyable event, of which this is not.

There are many meanings of words.

ghwk
05-11-2010, 04:04 PM
I've gone through it too, and I explain above why I have little compassion for people who take their own life.

Believe me, when someone does it I'm not jumping for joy or happy about it. More or less I'm shaking my head and wishing it went a different way.

I think its fine to be angry at someone who takes theri own life because it is the ultuimate selfish act. I can also be sympathetic to that person for all the things that were changeable that could have prevented it that they could no longer see.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:04 PM
Seems to me that a suicidal and/or drug addicted person is the epitome of a sympathetic figure. Tearing someone down because of their weakness--be it moral, physical, or mental--is easy. Picking them up when they are in such dire straits is the hard, and virtuous thing to do. Expressing your disdain for them is not.

There but for the grace of God go I...

May she rest in peace.

I have recently gone through a situation with a friend who is suicidal. Its difficult to know what to do. So I flew out to the west coast just let him know that I loved him and would miss him dearly, and that I wasnt the only one.

If you have any pointers, Im all ears.

DarkHorse30
05-11-2010, 04:10 PM
....I mean, you didn't have to say anything.

this. engage brain....I realize it's complicated for some.....

DenverBrit
05-11-2010, 04:11 PM
I have recently gone through a situation with a friend who is suicidal. Its difficult to know what to do. So I flew out to the west coast just let him know that I loved him and would miss him dearly, and that I wasnt the only one.

If you have any pointers, Im all ears.

You've already done what a good friend should.

If it's not too personal, what's making your friend suicidal?

DenverBrit
05-11-2010, 04:12 PM
The beautiful Erica Blasberg of the LPGA was found dead in her NV home on Sunday. 25 years old. I'm in total disbelief and shock. Possible suicide. Sigh.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/05/lpga-golfer-erica-blasbergs-death-puzzles-her-father/1

Tragic, no matter what the cause. RIP.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-11-2010, 04:22 PM
I have recently gone through a situation with a friend who is suicidal. Its difficult to know what to do. So I flew out to the west coast just let him know that I loved him and would miss him dearly, and that I wasnt the only one.

If you have any pointers, Im all ears.

That's the hardest part. There's not a lot that can be done. Being there to talk whenever they need it is a big step in the right direction, and letting them know how much they mean to you is another big step.

I've been there. It's awful.

Gob
05-11-2010, 04:22 PM
You're probably right. Still, suicide pisses me off, so that's what got me to make the post. When you kill yourself you're not just doing that. You're putting your family, loved ones, (fans in this case), through a **** ton of a pain. It's a selfish act and in my eyes an act lacking in compassion. Thus why should it be shown in return. If you're going to put everyone through an emotional hell by killing yourself, why should you receive compassion? Get my point? Sucks for the OP and her family etc, but for HER, I don't feel remorse IF she killed herself. It should be noted that suicide hasn't even been confirmed yet.

If we are talking about people who "attempt suicide" in public places or in attention grabbing ways and manage to just save themselves, I agree. Obviously it is more about feeling sorry for themselves and getting others to feel sorry for them too. But most suicide attempts that are attempted privately come with a history of mental illness or a temporary imbalance. They are impaired through no fault of their own, and make a tragic permanent decision during the impairment. They are not doing it for kicks, they are doing it because they can't think straight. Seems sad to me.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:26 PM
You've already done what a good friend should.

If it's not too personal, what's making your friend suicidal?

Well, he's going through a divorce and working hard all the time. He's suppressing his feelings by using drugs. Bad confluence of factors. He's in a big city alone. He's grappling with knowing that he has failed in his marriage, and trying to convince himself that it was okay to cheat on his wife while they were separated, but deep down he knows its wrong and wont admit it to himself. He's clinging to whatever he can cling to.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-11-2010, 04:34 PM
Well, he's going through a divorce and working hard all the time. He's suppressing his feelings by using drugs. Bad confluence of factors. He's in a big city alone. He's grappling with knowing that he has failed in his marriage, and trying to convince himself that it was okay to cheat on his wife while they were separated, but deep down he knows its wrong and wont admit it to himself. He's clinging to whatever he can cling to.

That's tough, man. I can't imagine going through all that, especially alone in a big city. Rough.

I am curious how most of the board views the cheating bit, though. Is it a legal separation? Are they just taking time away? Or did he cheat while they were still together?

I would say that if it's a legal separation, or a trial separation, it wouldn't be "cheating" in my mind, and I'd be curious if she was out doing the same. That said, if it was a trial separation, I don't think I'd even be able to think about going out with another woman, let alone sleeping with one.

Digression aside, just keep in touch with him. See what he needs. Help him get there. Talk him through that. The best thing, in my opinion, that you can give him is your time.

sixtimeseight
05-11-2010, 04:35 PM
You must just be a blast at parties ;D

Have you read his posts? I guarantee he doesn't get invited to parties, or have any friends whatsoever. That's why he's so bitter and angry at everything.

TheReverend
05-11-2010, 04:36 PM
This is an unnecessary tragedy

Rich, young, hot girls are an endangered species and letting them live in the wild is asking for trouble. She belonged in a zoo.

broncocalijohn
05-11-2010, 04:39 PM
I have recently gone through a situation with a friend who is suicidal. Its difficult to know what to do. So I flew out to the west coast just let him know that I loved him and would miss him dearly, and that I wasnt the only one.

If you have any pointers, Im all ears.

helping him as a friend is a good step but you need to convince him to get professional help. Also, if he is watching soccer, that might lead to suicide. Tell him to kick that habit.

broncocalijohn
05-11-2010, 04:42 PM
This is an unnecessary tragedy

Rich, young, hot girls are an endangered species and letting them live in the wild is asking for trouble. She belonged in a zoo.

Hot Mormon girls is also a troubling waste. Not for guys that might end up getting them like Dom and Kaylore but for the rest of us? Hot chick and mormon is such a downer. A few at my high school and such a waste of talent.

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Well, he's going through a divorce and working hard all the time. He's suppressing his feelings by using drugs. Bad confluence of factors. He's in a big city alone. He's grappling with knowing that he has failed in his marriage, and trying to convince himself that it was okay to cheat on his wife while they were separated, but deep down he knows its wrong and wont admit it to himself. He's clinging to whatever he can cling to.

Dude doesn't need a cry baby friend. He needs a friend who's gonna tell it like it is. Then, he needs to do some serious soul searching and figure out what's really important in his life. If he doesn't know himself, then he will never, ever, ever be happy.

If he's got kids, he better get his crap together pronto. If he doesn't have kids then he needs to honestly ask himself is he loves his wife or if he's just scared to be alone.

He needs to cut out the drugs and alcohol immediately and start facing reality.

Also, he should be clinically analyzed to see if he suffers from depression. I personally think shrinks are worthless, but going to a MD and talking about possible depression is a good start.

Then, he needs friends who will be there for him. I'd tell him to start going to church and to seek council from some elders in the church. If he's a Christian he needs to make Christ his priority. If he's a Christian, everything else will line up from there.

Basically, he needs to be kicked in the azzzz.

DenverBrit
05-11-2010, 04:49 PM
Well, he's going through a divorce and working hard all the time. He's suppressing his feelings by using drugs. Bad confluence of factors. He's in a big city alone. He's grappling with knowing that he has failed in his marriage, and trying to convince himself that it was okay to cheat on his wife while they were separated, but deep down he knows its wrong and wont admit it to himself. He's clinging to whatever he can cling to.

Sounds like almost the 'perfect storm.'

Other than the steps you've taken to be there for him, counseling would seem to be in his best interest.
Fortunately, he has a job.......when you move to a strange City, end up in a divorce AND lose your job, then all the legs have been kicked out from under.

I hope he comes to his senses and gets the help he needs.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:58 PM
Dude doesn't need a cry baby friend. He needs a friend who's gonna tell it like it is. Then, he needs to do some serious soul searching and figure out what's really important in his life. If he doesn't know himself, then he will never, ever, ever be happy.

Yeah, we've been through this. He wouldnt tell me about the girlfriend. I saw some of her stuff in his bathroom and confronted him about it.

If he's got kids, he better get his crap together pronto. If he doesn't have kids then he needs to honestly ask himself is he loves his wife or if he's just scared to be alone.

No kids thank goodness. I do think that he is scared to be alone though.

He needs to cut out the drugs and alcohol immediately and start facing reality.

Yes. Totally in agreement.

Also, he should be clinically analyzed to see if he suffers from depression. I personally think shrinks are worthless, but going to a MD and talking about possible depression is a good start.

Yeah, we talked about this and he admitted to me that he has anxiety problems.

Then, he needs friends who will be there for him. I'd tell him to start going to church and to seek council from some elders in the church. If he's a Christian he needs to make Christ his priority. If he's a Christian, everything else will line up from there.

He is a Christian, but he doesnt like traditional church and hasnt found one in his new town. Odds are pretty good that he wont until he kicks that chick out of his bed.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 05:01 PM
If we are talking about people who "attempt suicide" in public places or in attention grabbing ways and manage to just save themselves, I agree. Obviously it is more about feeling sorry for themselves and getting others to feel sorry for them too. But most suicide attempts that are attempted privately come with a history of mental illness or a temporary imbalance. They are impaired through no fault of their own, and make a tragic permanent decision during the impairment. They are not doing it for kicks, they are doing it because they can't think straight. Seems sad to me.

No doubt it's a sad event. Suicide is always a touchy subject. I wasn't at all surprised to see people jumping the gun right away with the popular, you're a douche, you suck stuff, I'm going to make fun of you on the internet because I think it will hurt your feelings, blah, blah, blah. "uberdouchebag" ~ Kaylore. Seriously, lol? And after I made you that nice Star Trek wedding photoshop, tisk, tisk. Do you guys think I'm happy to hear this girl died? I'm not. I just think the pointless waist of ones life is retarded. Just voicing my opinion on suicide. One thing I've always hated about it is people all saying how sorry they are for the person (I'm A OK with people being sorry for the family - I'm sorry for her dad who is devastated right now).

I've sat through a funeral with this stuff, and seeing close relatives and friends walk up and recount good times when they were never there to help the person through their depression sickened me (this person was still in High School so it wasn't like the person was on their own and away from these people yet). There are practically always warning signs and people just ignore them. I mentioned that I talked to someone with suicidal thoughts. That person didn't tell me that right away, but I noticed warning signs.

Still, you should have the foresight to know the pain you'd cause if you killed yourself. If you can't bring yourself to tell someone that you're thinking about killing yourself so you can get HELP, then why should anyone truly feel sorry for them? That's like feeling sorry for emo people who cry in the rain because no one can see it. It's almost self torture to have those thoughts and keep them to yourself until you end it with a knife, rope, or pills, etc. It's completely illogical. Then again the human species is so ****ing wacky it boggles my mind, so illogical events shouldn't be so... illogical.

I maintain MY belief that the act of killing yourself (in most cases) is selfish, a spit in the face of your loved ones, and something not to get emotionally invested in. It seriously sucks, when it happens, but if the person is too weak to get help then I don't see a reason to feel sorry. That person CHOSE to die by refusing to take steps to help themselves.

DomCasual
05-11-2010, 05:04 PM
I go into shutdown mode whenever I hear of a person I know being suicidal. It's not the logical conclusion of a rational mind; so how do you talk to them using logic? It's a cliche; but suicide really is a permanent, irreversible solution to a short-term problem.

Anyway, it's a sad story. I feel for her family.

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2010, 05:26 PM
He is a Christian, but he doesnt like traditional church and hasnt found one in his new town. Odds are pretty good that he wont until he kicks that chick out of his bed.

He's in a great situation then as far as his spirituality. Since he doesn't currently belong to a church, there's no baggage, it's a fresh start. If I was him I'd go to a more conservative church (Baptist perhaps), one that takes the Bible seriously and isn't all hugs and kisses and good times. Then he needs to confess. Confess, confess, confess, get it all out. He needs to want to be helped. If he isn't serious about being helped then he's wasting everyone's time.

I had a friend in a similar situation, lost a bunch of his family's money in an internet scam. I told him he needed to get back to the church (he's Catholic) and confess and then he needed to confess everything to his family. He was suicidal at the time and he was going to either kill the people who ripped him off or kill himself (he even bought a pistol). It was a bad, bad time for him and I could offer little more than my friendship and my honesty. He made it though and is fine, but he needed the Church and his family and real friends who weren't going to BS him and tell him everything's "alright".

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 05:32 PM
He's in a great situation then as far as his spirituality. Since he doesn't currently belong to a church, there's no baggage, it's a fresh start. If I was him I'd go to a more conservative church (Baptist perhaps), one that takes the Bible seriously and isn't all hugs and kisses and good times. Then he needs to confess. Confess, confess, confess, get it all out. He needs to want to be helped. If he isn't serious about being helped then he's wasting everyone's time.

I had a friend in a similar situation, lost a bunch of his family's money in an internet scam. I told him he needed to get back to the church (he's Catholic) and confess and then he needed to confess everything to his family. He was suicidal at the time and he was going to either kill the people who ripped him off or kill himself (he even bought a pistol). It was a bad, bad time for him and I could offer little more than my friendship and my honesty. He made it though and is fine, but he needed the Church and his family and real friends who weren't going to BS him and tell him everything's "alright".

If he's actually at all religious this would be a great step to take. The guy needs to stop living in another world, face reality, and stop holding everything in.

Br0nc0Buster
05-11-2010, 05:34 PM
NOOOOO

I cannot believe this really happened

this really bums me out
I always thought she was so gorgeous, even watched some LPGA stuff occasionally if she was in it

wow that really sucks

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2010, 05:39 PM
No doubt it's a sad event. Suicide is always a touchy subject. I wasn't at all surprised to see people jumping the gun right away with the popular, you're a douche, you suck stuff, I'm going to make fun of you on the internet because I think it will hurt your feelings, blah, blah, blah. "uberdouchebag" ~ Kaylore. Seriously, lol? And after I made you that nice Star Trek wedding photoshop, tisk, tisk. Do you guys think I'm happy to hear this girl died? I'm not. I just think the pointless waist of ones life is retarded. Just voicing my opinion on suicide. One thing I've always hated about it is people all saying how sorry they are for the person (I'm A OK with people being sorry for the family - I'm sorry for her dad who is devastated right now).

I've sat through a funeral with this stuff, and seeing close relatives and friends walk up and recount good times when they were never there to help the person through their depression sickened me (this person was still in High School so it wasn't like the person was on their own and away from these people yet). There are practically always warning signs and people just ignore them. I mentioned that I talked to someone with suicidal thoughts. That person didn't tell me that right away, but I noticed warning signs.

Still, you should have the foresight to know the pain you'd cause if you killed yourself. If you can't bring yourself to tell someone that you're thinking about killing yourself so you can get HELP, then why should anyone truly feel sorry for them? That's like feeling sorry for emo people who cry in the rain because no one can see it. It's almost self torture to have those thoughts and keep them to yourself until you end it with a knife, rope, or pills, etc. It's completely illogical. Then again the human species is so ****ing wacky it boggles my mind, so illogical events shouldn't be so... illogical.

I maintain MY belief that the act of killing yourself (in most cases) is selfish, a spit in the face of your loved ones, and something not to get emotionally invested in. It seriously sucks, when it happens, but if the person is too weak to get help then I don't see a reason to feel sorry. That person CHOSE to die by refusing to take steps to help themselves.

I have to say that suicide is the most selfish act a person can do. You may kill youself and be done with life, but you also kill a little bit of all the other people in your life. You leave a black hole in the life of the people who loved you. People who kill themselves are very narcisistic IMHO. It's all about them, all the time. Hey, what about your parents? Hey, what about your kids? Hey, what about your friends? Do you think you are really doing anyone any favors by offing yourself?

Unless your Hitler, you're probably doing a lot more harm than good by committing suicide.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 05:42 PM
I have to say that suicide is the most selfish act a person can do. You may kill youself and be done with life, but you also kill a little bit of all the other people in your life. You leave a black hole in the life of the people who loved you. People who kill themselves are very narcisistic IMHO. It's all about them, all the time. Hey, what about your parents? Hey, what about your kids? Hey, what about your friends? Do you think you are really doing anyone any favors by offing yourself?

Unless your Hitler, you're probably doing a lot more harm than good by committing suicide.

EXACTLY! See, you understand my thought process.

Suicide to get rid of your pain is only transferring that pain to the ones that care about you the most.

Kaylore
05-11-2010, 05:48 PM
I actually agree with your overall point on suicide. However there is a time and place and callously saying someone is a coward two posts into a death thread is selfish too. It highlights your desire to focus the thread on your own morale point of view, and trivialize the event and memory of the person. You're being selfish (and pretty tasteless) with that remark.

stoxman
05-11-2010, 05:49 PM
Man, this past 3 hours has been a daze. Like BroncoBuster, I just cannot believe this happened.

I've read everything I can on this. It appears all the "suicide" talk was attributed to a quick quote from her father that may have been misinterpreted. He is absolutely saying that she would NOT commit suicide. He's saying it's "very, very strange". Toxicology, autopsy will have more to say in the near future. On a sidenote, if you watch that interview with her father...he seems so matter of fact about things. If this was my son--I wouldn't be able to breathe let alone talk with seemingly little emotion although I certainly, as a parent, cannot question how he is grieving. Gotta be incredibly rough.

This was, in my opinion, the most beautiful female golfer to come along in many years. Lots of people like Gulbis. Some like Creamer (myself included). But there was just something about this gal that made you like her. She wasn't a star but seemed to be very friendly, likable and engaging with the gallery both times I saw her play.

No matter how she died, it's a tragedy. She had everything to live for at 25. :-(

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 05:58 PM
I actually agree with your overall point on suicide. However there is a time and place and callously saying someone is a coward two posts into a death thread is selfish too. It highlights your desire to focus the thread on your own morale point of view, and trivialize the event and memory of the person. You're being selfish (and pretty tasteless) with that remark.

People chose to run with what I said and become to emotionally invested in my words. I was just saying that I had no sympathy for an individual who took their life. I wasn't going to sit here and twiddle my thumbs on an internet message board for a few hours until it could go to page two.

Those who responded, including you had every opportunity to ignore it and post your thoughts about Erica, of which some did and all the more power to them. Could I have babied it up, sugar coated it and said something like.

"I wish she didn't kill herself. That's so pointless. It's hard to feel bad for someone who would end their life and put all their loved ones through so much suffering."

Maybe. But I didn't.


She had everything to live for at 25. :-(

Agreed.

I wouldn't be surprised of she unintentionally OD'ed on some pills.

ZachKC
05-11-2010, 06:02 PM
Having that opinion is one thing...not how I see it but whatever...not everyone agrees on things. But why even go out of your way to make the post? Just no reason for any of that.

People's lives and the circumstances they live in are extremely complicated.

http://i40.tinypic.com/32zur7q.jpg

listopencil
05-11-2010, 06:11 PM
Rest in peace.

Dexter
05-11-2010, 06:28 PM
I can understand the thinking in that suicide is a selfish act. But what about mental illness? Not a lot of people who commit suicide are right in the mind to consider the logical steps of getting help, and those they are leaving behind.

My girlfriend is bi-polar, she has an illness. When she is on her lows her mind goes to places she can't control even with medication. Hopefully it would never result in anything this serious but mental illness can take any logical thinking or emotional attachments and throw it out the window.

Something to consider.

OABB
05-11-2010, 07:59 PM
10 bucks on antidepressants in her system.

BMarsh615
05-11-2010, 08:00 PM
At least you don't have to change your ****ing username.

gunns
05-11-2010, 08:45 PM
Man, this past 3 hours has been a daze. Like BroncoBuster, I just cannot believe this happened.

I've read everything I can on this. It appears all the "suicide" talk was attributed to a quick quote from her father that may have been misinterpreted. He is absolutely saying that she would NOT commit suicide. He's saying it's "very, very strange". Toxicology, autopsy will have more to say in the near future. On a sidenote, if you watch that interview with her father...he seems so matter of fact about things. If this was my son--I wouldn't be able to breathe let alone talk with seemingly little emotion although I certainly, as a parent, cannot question how he is grieving. Gotta be incredibly rough.

This was, in my opinion, the most beautiful female golfer to come along in many years. Lots of people like Gulbis. Some like Creamer (myself included). But there was just something about this gal that made you like her. She wasn't a star but seemed to be very friendly, likable and engaging with the gallery both times I saw her play.

No matter how she died, it's a tragedy. She had everything to live for at 25. :-(

That's what I've heard, that it may not have been a suicide. But thank heavens we got Uberman's rhetoric on people who commit suicide. While I do agree it's a very selfish act because of the ripple effect that could go on for years, it's not my place to judge ANYONE in a state that I have never experienced. No matter what, my heart goes out to her family. I can't imagine the pain.

strafen
05-11-2010, 09:10 PM
This is sad. A young and successful person dies.
I've gotta go with her dad's feelings. He's the only person able to tell if his daughter took her own life or perhaps was murdered.
He's not buying she took her life.
Let the police do its work before drawing any conclusions...

bombay
05-11-2010, 09:30 PM
I've not heard a bit of evidence that this woman killed herself.

Typically brutal internet crap.

Mr. Trout
05-11-2010, 09:52 PM
very sad. there are some jerks posting in this thread for sure. stoxman, you shouldn't change your avatar completely. Just make it an in memory sort of thing.

baja
05-11-2010, 09:59 PM
Can you imagine how much pain you need to be in to have taking your own life an option?

Anyone that judges this person is a clueless fool.

The phrase "There but for the Grace of God go I" applies here.

Do any of you really think taking your life is due to weakness.

Archer81
05-11-2010, 10:04 PM
Can you imagine how much pain you need to be in to have taking your own life an option?

Anyone that judges this person is a clueless fool.

The phrase "There but for the Grace of God go I" applies here.

Do any of you really think taking your life is due to weakness.


Yes. The reasons behind it do not make it a strong choice. Its usually one made out of desperation and an escape from some temporary pain or problem.

:Broncos:

Kid A
05-11-2010, 10:10 PM
Yes. The reasons behind it do not make it a strong choice. Its usually one made out of desperation and an escape from some temporary pain or problem.

:Broncos:

Don't want to get into this discussion too much, but my understanding is that people who try to commit suicide don't view their pain or problem as "temporary." Whether it's true or not, people who want to kill themselves do so because their problems seem anything but temporary. They've usually been in a very dark place for a what feels like a very long time, and they obviously don't see any relief in sight. There may be exceptions, but not too many people off themselves because they had a bad week.

Archer81
05-11-2010, 10:14 PM
Don't want to get into this discussion too much, but my understanding is that people who try to commit suicide don't view their pain or problem as "temporary." Whether it's true or not, people who want to kill themselves do so because their problems seem anything but temporary. They've usually been in a very dark place for a what feels like a very long time, and they obviously don't see any relief in sight. There may be exceptions, but not too many people off themselves because they had a bad week.


It is temporary. They just dont see it that way. Help is out there. That is why it is so tragic.

:Broncos:

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 10:16 PM
Don't want to get into this discussion too much, but my understanding is that people who try to commit suicide don't view their pain or problem as "temporary." Whether it's true or not, people who want to kill themselves do so because their problems seem anything but temporary. They've usually been in a very dark place for a what feels like a very long time, and they obviously don't see any relief in sight. There may be exceptions, but not too many people off themselves because they had a bad week.

That's true about it not being a bad week kind of thing. Often though they seclude their darkness from others and internalize it. They hide it from everyone and then BAM... they snap and do it. It's weak though.

It takes strength to share your pain with others and to get help rather than ending your life because you think everything will be better off with you out of the world.

baja
05-11-2010, 10:20 PM
Yes. The reasons behind it do not make it a strong choice. Its usually one made out of desperation and an escape from some temporary pain or problem.

:Broncos:

It's not weakness it's utter hopelessness that makes suicide possible.

Archer81
05-11-2010, 10:23 PM
It's not weakness it's utter hopelessness that makes suicide possible.


It is weak to take your own life. It is weak to give in to fear or depression or hopelessness. Its giving up.


:Broncos:

baja
05-11-2010, 10:30 PM
It is weak to take your own life. It is weak to give in to fear or depression or hopelessness. Its giving up.


:Broncos:

You are judging others as if they have your level of mental health and that is not the case. I bet you can not even fathom the idea of taking your life, try an imagine the place one must be in to do such a final act.

doonwise
05-11-2010, 10:31 PM
Oh I've thought that far, and if I did have a kid that killed themselves I'd look at myself as a complete failure as a father. After all, I'd be a parent who raised a kid that committed suicide. That's totally different than being an outsider to someone that you had no true influence over preventing suicide. Sounds like you didn't think much when you wrote that.

You are way out of line. I truly hope you are banned.

Archer81
05-11-2010, 10:33 PM
You are judging others as if they have your level of mental health and that is not the case. I bet you can not even fathom the idea of taking your life, try an imagine the place one must be in to do such a final act.


I am. That is why I view it as giving in and being weak. As you said, people do not sink into those situations overnight. They do not get out of them overnight...but they can't do it alone. It is a weak and selfish thing to believe everything is so hopeless and black that the only answer is to kill yourself. There is help out there. Just ask.


:Broncos:

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 10:33 PM
You are judging others as if they have your level of mental health and that is not the case. I bet you can not even fathom the idea of taking your life, try an imagine the place one must be in to do such a final act.

Being mentally unstable due to a disease or illness etc is a completely different can of worms baja. For you to be in that place and make that decision, you must be weak. There is ALWAYS help to prevent it. A great majority of suicides are from people who never told anyone or tried to get help. Families shocked that so and so would kill themselves.

You're judging people who kill themselves as "strong" for having the will to end their life. Under your philosophy, your assessment is no different than those of us who think it's weak. If they are neither weak nor strong, what are they?

baja
05-11-2010, 10:35 PM
I am. That is why I view it as giving in and being weak. As you said, people do not sink into those situations overnight. They do not get out of them overnight...but they can't do it alone. It is a weak and selfish thing to believe everything is so hopeless and black that the only answer is to kill yourself. There is help out there. Just ask.


:Broncos:

It is clear to me you have no clue about this subject Chris so I will bow out of the discussion.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 10:36 PM
You are way out of line. I truly hope you are banned.

You are an idiot. Insulting my personal views on how I'd feel if I had a kid who killed himself. You're the one over the line on that.

baja
05-11-2010, 10:39 PM
Being mentally unstable due to a disease or illness etc is a completely different can of worms baja. For you to be in that place and make that decision, you must be weak. There is ALWAYS help to prevent it. A great majority of suicides are from people who never told anyone or tried to get help. Families shocked that so and so would kill themselves.

<b>You're judging people who kill themselves as "strong" for having the will to end their life. </b> Under your philosophy, your assessment is no different than those of us who think it's weak. If they are neither weak nor strong, what are they?

I never said that .I said it was not weakness that caused the event to happen.

You guys should read upon the phycology of suicide.

TheReverend
05-11-2010, 10:41 PM
I never said that .I said it was not weakness that caused the event to happen.

You guys should read upon the phycology of suicide.

Phycology... that's some new age mexican practice, right?

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 10:41 PM
I never said that .I said it was not weakness that caused the event to happen.

You guys should read upon the phycology of suicide.

I was assuming be denying weakness that you were in turn in favor of the polar opposite. Assumed wrong then, I suppose.

baja
05-11-2010, 10:46 PM
Phycology... that's some new age mexican practice, right?

Physiology

Miss I.
05-11-2010, 10:49 PM
well this is a little darker than I wanted to start my morning but okay, I will take a shot at this thread.

Regardless of cause of death, it IS sad that this young woman is no longer alive. My heart goes out to those she left behind.

In terms of suicide, has any one of you ever been in the position of having tried or felt the urge (and not just a damn my life sucks, wouldn't it be easier moment) to do something drastic? The moment where the loss of life is written off as well she/he did it to herself, either via suicide, drugs, alcohol, drinking and driving, diabetes, etc then we lose our humanity. I mean technically lung cancer patients who smoked for their whole life basically killed themselves IF you want to be an asshat about it. It's sad and unfortunate for them and their families either way.

To be suicidial is a terribly sad thing, the pain that must be and to feel so isolated that you can't share that, that the best you feel you can do to be a peace and be with God (if that's your thing) is to end it, that's very very sad. Is suicide selfish? Yes, but it doesn't mean it's not also sad for that person and yes specifically for the family. And talking about and sharing the pain can help, but it doesn't make it go away, that does take strength and focus which sometimes is very difficult to come by.

None of us has any idea what is going on with that girl or anyone. Who knows how many people we walk by on a daily basis who are depressed and have those thoughts and struggle to keep their chin up. Or those that turn to alcohol or food or drugs to cope?

I wish her family kind thoughts regardless of what the true cause of her death is and I hope that everyone out there has someone to love and listen to them when they struggle so this is never an option. For her family or those who've lost someone to suicide, I hope that with time comes peace and always know this, that person was blinded by such self hatred and sadness they could not see the reality of your love. You could not and cannot save them. It is a choice that they have to make, but if they do choose that option it is a reflection only on the struggles and battles that were too difficult for them, not on you.

Peace out all and I wish only good things for you.

Kid A
05-11-2010, 10:51 PM
It is temporary. They just dont see it that way. Help is out there. That is why it is so tragic.

:Broncos:

I would generally agree with that. (though many people suffer from depression on and off for their entire lives).

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 10:54 PM
Phycology... that's some new age mexican practice, right?

Its the study of fungus behavior.

IHaveALight
05-11-2010, 10:54 PM
No doubt it's a sad event. Suicide is always a touchy subject. I wasn't at all surprised to see people jumping the gun right away with the popular, you're a douche, you suck stuff, I'm going to make fun of you on the internet because I think it will hurt your feelings, blah, blah, blah. "uberdouchebag" ~ Kaylore. Seriously, lol? And after I made you that nice Star Trek wedding photoshop, tisk, tisk. Do you guys think I'm happy to hear this girl died? I'm not. I just think the pointless waist of ones life is retarded. Just voicing my opinion on suicide. One thing I've always hated about it is people all saying how sorry they are for the person (I'm A OK with people being sorry for the family - I'm sorry for her dad who is devastated right now).

I've sat through a funeral with this stuff, and seeing close relatives and friends walk up and recount good times when they were never there to help the person through their depression sickened me (this person was still in High School so it wasn't like the person was on their own and away from these people yet). There are practically always warning signs and people just ignore them. I mentioned that I talked to someone with suicidal thoughts. That person didn't tell me that right away, but I noticed warning signs.

Still, you should have the foresight to know the pain you'd cause if you killed yourself. If you can't bring yourself to tell someone that you're thinking about killing yourself so you can get HELP, then why should anyone truly feel sorry for them? That's like feeling sorry for emo people who cry in the rain because no one can see it. It's almost self torture to have those thoughts and keep them to yourself until you end it with a knife, rope, or pills, etc. It's completely illogical. Then again the human species is so ****ing wacky it boggles my mind, so illogical events shouldn't be so... illogical.

I maintain MY belief that the act of killing yourself (in most cases) is selfish, a spit in the face of your loved ones, and something not to get emotionally invested in. It seriously sucks, when it happens, but if the person is too weak to get help then I don't see a reason to feel sorry. That person CHOSE to die by refusing to take steps to help themselves.

Imagine what it would take for you to kill yourself. Maybe if you really dive into that thought, you may understand a little more how mentally unstable someone would have to be to do it. These people are mentally ill, if you want to blame something you have to blame the fragile human psyche. By your logic you might as well claim that autistic people chose to be that way, and because of that their idiots. And your point about them refusing to take steps for help is not as simple as you make it sound. Most likely these people don't relies that they have a mental condition and or are so messed up by it that there is no other option.

UberBroncoMan
05-11-2010, 11:08 PM
Imagine what it would take for you to kill yourself. Maybe if you really dive into that thought, you may understand a little more how mentally unstable someone would have to be to do it. These people are mentally ill, if you want to blame something you have to blame the fragile human psyche. By your logic you might as well claim that autistic people chose to be that way, and because of that their idiots. And your point about them refusing to take steps for help is not as simple as you make it sound. Most likely these people don't relies that they have a mental condition and or are so messed up by it that there is no other option.

Believe me. At one point in my life I felt like not living anymore would be better than the pain I was feeling, but I never was going to kill myself because I knew better.

My logic doesn't feel that autistic people chose to be that way and are idiots. I have an autistic friend in real life btw and she's in college :D! I mentioned that preexisting mental issues that lead to suicide are a different can of worms.

Though one could argue anyone that kills themselves is already severely mentally unstable. Still, I maintain that many people don't start out that way. Rather it builds over time.

To me the single greatest gift that anyone on this planet has is their life. To throw that away when you don't need to is something I simply can't respect. The reasons might be this or that, but I just can't respect it or feel invest my feelings into it.

I've never once said that I think suicidal people deserve to die, that I'm glad they do, etc. I think it's a very sad situation. My entire point has been that I don't feel bad for someone who actually does it. Though I do feel bad for those who deal with the pain of losing said person.

IHaveALight
05-11-2010, 11:24 PM
It's my belief that sane people don't kill themselves. Why would they?
Whether pre-existing or recently acquired it takes someone ****ed up in the head to do it.
Either way I don't see a difference, they both suffer from the same thing.
You may say it slowly developed so they should have got help sooner. But my answer to that is they didn't know what was happening to them or that they even had a problem. Maybe they even had suicidal thoughts like you sometimes but they still "knew they would never do it".
Nobody's asking you to respect suicides, just don't be so quick to judge is all.

uplink
05-12-2010, 01:01 AM
sad news. She was so pretty and talented.

broncogary
05-12-2010, 07:14 AM
You are way out of line. I truly hope you are banned.

He's lucky it wasn't her birthday thread.

baja
05-12-2010, 09:36 AM
It's my belief that sane people don't kill themselves. Why would they?
Whether pre-existing or recently acquired it takes someone ****ed up in the head to do it.
Either way I don't see a difference, they both suffer from the same thing.
You may say it slowly developed so they should have got help sooner. But my answer to that is they didn't know what was happening to them or that they even had a problem. Maybe they even had suicidal thoughts like you sometimes but they still "knew they would never do it".
Nobody's asking you to respect suicides, just don't be so quick to judge is all.

This!

ColoradoBuff
05-12-2010, 01:12 PM
sad, sad, sad.....way to young!

baja
05-12-2010, 03:21 PM
sad, sad, sad.....way to young!

What is the correct age to kill yourself?

Mogulseeker
05-12-2010, 04:49 PM
Being mentally unstable due to a disease or illness etc is a completely different can of worms baja. For you to be in that place and make that decision, you must be weak. There is ALWAYS help to prevent it. A great majority of suicides are from people who never told anyone or tried to get help. Families shocked that so and so would kill themselves.

You're judging people who kill themselves as "strong" for having the will to end their life. Under your philosophy, your assessment is no different than those of us who think it's weak. If they are neither weak nor strong, what are they?

Do some research. Anybody who kills themselves has a condition by nature of killing themselves... and most have undiagnosed conditions like Schizophrenia, PTSD, bipolar disorder.

Think about it... who would want to kill themselves but someone in a horrible emotional state? It's always a tragedy.

Mogulseeker
05-12-2010, 04:50 PM
What is the correct age to kill yourself?

Thirty two

Br0nc0Buster
05-12-2010, 05:15 PM
What is the correct age to kill yourself?

when you dont have your whole life ahead of you
She seemed to have everything going for her on the outside, it is tragic becasue she did not appear to be some sort of drug abuser or suffering from some sort of mental illness
of course we dont know yet what caused her death or if it was on purpose