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epicSocialism4tw
05-06-2010, 08:34 PM
Um, no. I'm talking about the Mexican-American students at that school, who are US citizens.

Ouch, there goes your point.

They shouldnt have too big a problem with the kids supporting America.

There is a pronounced divide between legal and illegal migrants from Mexico. For the most part, the citizens dont like the illegals.

Dedhed
05-06-2010, 08:49 PM
They shouldnt have too big a problem with the kids supporting America.

There is a pronounced divide between legal and illegal migrants from Mexico. For the most part, the citizens dont like the illegals.

It's still a douche move to disrespect the heritage of US citizens.

UberBroncoMan
05-06-2010, 09:09 PM
They shouldnt have too big a problem with the kids supporting America.

There is a pronounced divide between legal and illegal migrants from Mexico. For the most part, the citizens dont like the illegals.

I know I don't. What's hilarious though is that my Mexican relatives (the ones actually living in Mexico) support illegal immigration, and thing any serious attempts to stop it are racist/nazi like. They don't even take into account Mexican law in relation to immigration.

Jason in LA
05-06-2010, 10:39 PM
On the contrary, I think that the kids are patriotic. They are examples. They are in a fight for their country right now and they stood up for what they believe. They feel the oppression forced on them by the whordes of illegals that storm into their community and drop the quality of life across the board. They stood up. Thank goodness.

Too many people around here want to shut people up like people are in Europe.

So should we stand up against all Mexicans, even the legal ones, because of the illegal immigrants? Any group of Mexicans we should just assume that they are illegals and send a message to them?

I don't see why people are turning this story into an illegal immigration issue. I guess if it has anything to do with Mexican it must be an illegal immigration issue.

broncocalijohn
05-06-2010, 11:18 PM
It's still a douche move to disrespect the heritage of US citizens.

amazing kids cant wear their own country's shirts and be taking to the vice principals office while the other kids celebrate a non recognized holiday in America! Most of those kids have no clue about a celebration of a battle against the French. It is now recognized as a drinking holiday like St. Patrick's Day. It is amazing citizens, like you, would actually think that kids showing their patriotism as being disrespectful. Wearing an anti Mexican shirt would seem you are on the right track. Seems these Mexicans want to stay Mexican regardless of the country. My Dad's family has been here for over 350 years. I dont think it took too long for them to give up Wienerschnitzel Day in Pennsylvania after the next generation. If they didnt, I am sure they realized they are in another country and should adapt to those ways. Sending kids home for wearing OUR OWN COUNTRY'S FLAG IS A DISGRACE!

broncocalijohn
05-06-2010, 11:22 PM
So should we stand up against all Mexicans, even the legal ones, because of the illegal immigrants? Any group of Mexicans we should just assume that they are illegals and send a message to them?

I don't see why people are turning this story into an illegal immigration issue. I guess if it has anything to do with Mexican it must be an illegal immigration issue.

It is not an illegal immigrant angle necessary but the fact that kids can celebrate another country's day of celebration of a win versus the French and then kids wearing proudly an American Flag attire is told it is not appropriate. No Anti this or that, just proud to be an American in America. What a concept that is!

Garcia Bronco
05-07-2010, 04:33 AM
It was part of Spain before that and owned by a whole variety of American Indian tribes before that. Does Spain still consider that Mexico, or some part of Mexico, belongs to them? Or France? Does Louisiana belong to France? If the Mexicans really believe the SW of the United States still belongs to them, why don't they raise an army and take it back?

They are, pure and simple.

TDmvp
05-07-2010, 06:21 AM
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3482/cindycrawfordstarsandst.jpg


Love it , or Leave it ...



I had that poster on my wall growing up ... If you can't salute Cindy in the stars in stripes ... Then that's just unamerican .

Garcia Bronco
05-07-2010, 06:56 AM
I can't believe some of this discussion. People better than all of us died for that flag because of a belief in better government. Better Government something Mexico has NEVER been able to accomplish for any length of time. If Mexico were so damn great then those students wouldn't even be here.

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 07:04 AM
amazing kids cant wear their own country's shirts and be taking to the vice principals office while the other kids celebrate a non recognized holiday in America! Most of those kids have no clue about a celebration of a battle against the French. It is now recognized as a drinking holiday like St. Patrick's Day. It is amazing citizens, like you, would actually think that kids showing their patriotism as being disrespectful. Wearing an anti Mexican shirt would seem you are on the right track. Seems these Mexicans want to stay Mexican regardless of the country. My Dad's family has been here for over 350 years. I dont think it took too long for them to give up Wienerschnitzel Day in Pennsylvania after the next generation. If they didnt, I am sure they realized they are in another country and should adapt to those ways. Sending kids home for wearing OUR OWN COUNTRY'S FLAG IS A DISGRACE!

So, is celebrating St. Patrick's day wanting to "stay Irish" and not assimilate?

So it's disgraceful for the principal to put the safety of his students as his first priority?

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 07:05 AM
I can't believe some of this discussion. People better than all of us died for that flag because of a belief in better government. Better Government something Mexico has NEVER been able to accomplish for any length of time. If Mexico were so damn great then those students wouldn't even be here.
Are you a pure blood Native American?

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 07:07 AM
No Anti this or that, just proud to be an American in America.

Getting completely decked out, literally from head to toe, on Cinco de Mayo, is absolutely an anti-Mexican statement.

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 07:09 AM
People are missing the point of the principal's actions. It has nothing to do with wearing the American Flag, and everything to do with protecting the students.

DivineLegion
05-07-2010, 07:34 AM
I can settle this...

"Last time I thought and that time was a long while go', merica doent have to defend its self. ITS AMERICA. Dem boys needed themselves some blue jeans, crew cuts, and plaid shirts to complete the image...thats why that there prin-ci-pal pulled em' aside."


Maybe if they were listening to Rodrigo y Gabriella it would have been ok.


I'm going to use an analogy to really settle this.

If you wear a rival teams colors in a bar your going to get your ass kicked. Lets say they take one day for good sportsman ship and celebrate teams in their division, allowing rival fans to come experience there bar "Safely". Is it disrespectful for said patrons to wear their teams colors on that day? Is it ever disrespectful to support something you love? No.

They don't kick kids out of school for wearing Slayer shirts on good Friday

They don't kick kids out of school for wearing confederate flags in February (in NC)

They don't kick kids out of school for wearing Cloths with Communist leaders. (Che, Stalin, Mau, ect.)

They don't kick kids out of school for wearing Bob Marley shirts to DARE Rallies.



Why the **** would they kick kids out of school for wearing an American flag? I mean holy **** are we going to star babying the Neo Nazis too, and ban all display of Jewish nationalism on April 30th? WTF

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 07:38 AM
Why the **** would they kick kids out of school for wearing an American flag?

Because it made for what the administrators felt was a dangerous situation.

DivineLegion
05-07-2010, 07:41 AM
Last time I checked

Daniel Galli, Austin Carvalho, Matt Dariano, Dominic Maciel and Clayton Howard

Maybe one of those last names is rooted in something other than latin origin, and I bet you can guess which one.

brother love
05-07-2010, 07:50 AM
Because it made for what the administrators felt was a dangerous situation.

yeah, because draping an american school in mexican flags wouldn't create a dangerous situation!

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 07:55 AM
Because Might makes right!!!! While we are at it we should kick out the Blacks, Jews and Catholics.

Some people want to twist this into something it isn't. Enjoy!

TDmvp
05-07-2010, 07:58 AM
They should have just wore these ...

http://www.tshirtwatch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/captobamalg.jpg http://rlv.zcache.com/obama_2008_usa_flag_shirt-p235120351548793028q6vb_400.jpg


No way they would throw you out when you are rockin the man on your shirt ...

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 08:06 AM
I'll start by saying that the principal was wrong. These kids should not have been sent home. But you know that these kids wore American flag clothing not to celebrate America, but to say "we are better than you." They are teenage boys, and it is pretty likely that they are looking to make a statement. In my opinion, that is well within their right, and I agree that the United States is a better place to live than Mexico, but it is job #1 of any principal to keep kids safe. If he feels that these kids are creating a situation that could lead to violence, and he doesn't intervene, then he is not doing his job. The principal choose the wrong course of action, but probably for the right reasons.

Maybe this principal should have not turned his school into a Mexican hacienda for the day and then not expecting some of the student body to show that they do not agree with glorifying Mexican heritage in an American school.

I guess in your opinion when Gay pride marches occur, those who are opposed to that lifestyle should be arrested for counter demonstrations?

...or when pro-war rallies are happening, anti-war marchers should be locked into their homes?

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 08:07 AM
Deportation doesn't work. Building a fence doesn't work. If there is a will, there is a way.

Making it harder to become a citizen or stay in this country only fuels the Jackels that prey upon these people that are desperate to be here.


Bullets work! Jail works!

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 08:10 AM
yeah, because draping an american school in mexican flags wouldn't create a dangerous situation!

No one did that.

spdirty
05-07-2010, 08:10 AM
So glad my kid's elementary school doesnt even mention that fake holiday.

mizzoutigers
05-07-2010, 08:12 AM
They should have just wore these ...

http://www.tshirtwatch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/captobamalg.jpg http://rlv.zcache.com/obama_2008_usa_flag_shirt-p235120351548793028q6vb_400.jpg


No way they would throw you out when you are rockin the man on your shirt ...

you're an idiot

Meck77
05-07-2010, 08:14 AM
270 passionate posts on an internet board. That's great.

Why not direct some of that energy and time to someone who can make a difference. http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

In the history of the orangemane I've yet to see anyone admit they were wrong on a political subject.

House of Reps https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Carry on...........

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 08:15 AM
By the way, nothing pisses me off more than Mexican flags on Fourth of July. This just seems VERY similar to me.

/shrug

What a wonderful comparison. Mexicans waving their flag in our country on our independence day compared to American citizens waving our flag on a day celebrating "something" which happened in another country.

**** Me! The dumbing down of America is complete.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 08:18 AM
Part true, part not. These kids were making a stand of some sort and trying to get a rise out of people. It was kids being kids (and sorta a-holes). I just don't see it as the huge issue that some of the righties want to make it out to be.

More Horse Manure!

So, IYO, these kids were assholes but the school district forcing everyone to celebrate some obscure Mexican holiday isn't going overboard?

HMMMM!

Captain 'Dre
05-07-2010, 08:20 AM
California can **** off. Treating nationality and skin color like a ****ing obsession.

Christ. It's the ****ing United States. If you can't deal with our flag and you live here get the **** out.

How about the kids wearing Pontious Pilate T-shirts during Easter Week?

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 08:25 AM
Missed the point entirely. This is nothing more than a principal making the welfare of his students the top priority.

RIIIIIIIIIIGHT! The the douche shouldn't have adorned the school with another countries' colors. PERIOD! You don't force everyone to accept another countries' holiday.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 08:33 AM
Because it made for what the administrators felt was a dangerous situation.

Then they shouldn't have adorned the school with Mexican colors. Ya think that might have motivate some people to say "**** this"?
Do you think they decorate Mexican schools with the Red-White-and Blue on July fourth.

Didn't think so.


....and if they did, do you think some Mexican teens might make a statement by wearing their countries' colors?

daysofcoleco
05-07-2010, 08:49 AM
How about the kids wearing Pontious Pilate T-shirts during Easter Week?

I wore a "It shoulda been Barabbas!" T-shirt.

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 08:54 AM
Then they shouldn't have adorned the school with Mexican colors.
They didn't

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 09:02 AM
More than 100 students were spotted wearing the colors of the Mexican flag -- red, white and green -- as they left school, including some who had the flag painted on their faces or arms, the Morgan Hill times reported.


BUT this is ok in the USA. Just don't wear the "damned" Red White and Blue.

**** you!

.....and to think that my grandfather fought for, my father died fighting and I served in the service so asshole like you can justify Mexicans wearing their colors, while Americans are chastized for wearing theirs.

**** You!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 09:20 AM
More Horse Manure!

So, IYO, these kids were a-holes but the school district forcing everyone to celebrate some obscure Mexican holiday isn't going overboard?

HMMMM!

I'm sorry, where were they "forced" to celebrate anything?

All they had to do was wear a shirt that DIDN'T HAVE ANY FLAG ON IT, and they wouldn't have gotten called in. My god, the oversimplification in your posts is absolutely EPIC.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 09:21 AM
How about the kids wearing Pontious Pilate T-shirts during Easter Week?

Where can I get a Pontious Pilate shirt?

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 09:38 AM
I'm sorry, where were they "forced" to celebrate anything?

All they had to do was wear a shirt that DIDN'T HAVE ANY FLAG ON IT, and they wouldn't have gotten called in. My god, the oversimplification in your posts is absolutely EPIC.

Well, with that logic, all the Messicans had to do is not wear their colors either. Why is one group allowed and another group discriminated against?

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 09:44 AM
Uh... good point?

Are you asking or implying?

It is horse**** that one group is allowed to wear their colors while another isn't. It's called DISCRIMINATION. Hopefully that isn't to difficult for you to comprehend.

One group is allowed to "instigate" while another isn't. Right???

broncocalijohn
05-07-2010, 10:58 AM
So, is celebrating St. Patrick's day wanting to "stay Irish" and not assimilate?

So it's disgraceful for the principal to put the safety of his students as his first priority?

I never stated that celebrating the stupid holiday was wrong. I dont think it should trump kids wearing their own countries colors while being in AMERICA at an American school. Cinco de Mayo shouldnt be an official school holiday for beating the French. Hell, that was the start of the decline of the French army. Now they just surrender. The asst. principal putting safety as his first priority for wearing the countries colors? If there was any problem heard, it should be those students in trouble and not the other way around. When you have a possible situation of violence based on kids being patriotic to their country and going to school in that same country, then there are serious problems with the Latinos either respecting the USA or they just dont have any feelings of being part of the USA. To that, I say, "**** you and the horrible parents that are bringing you up in my country!"

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 11:03 AM
Well, with that logic, all the Messicans had to do is not wear their colors either. Why is one group allowed and another group discriminated against?

Holy ****, are you ever shrill.

It's completely useless having any sort of discussion with you because you're simply unreasonable.

I like you as a dude and a poster most of the time. But jesus, we just have a different opinion. Has nothing to do with "discrimination." Get ahold of yourself.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 11:09 AM
Holy ****, are you ever shrill.

It's completely useless having any sort of discussion with you because you're simply unreasonable.

I like you as a dude and a poster most of the time. But jesus, we just have a different opinion. Has nothing to do with "discrimination." Get ahold of yourself.

Unreasonable??? This school allows the Latinos to wear clothing, face paint and bandanas but chastizes Americans for wearing the equivalent, and in your opinion this is not discrimination?

What is it then?

Had they asked everyone to not wear their "colors", it would have been acceptable.


Shrill???:spit:

broncocalijohn
05-07-2010, 11:18 AM
Holy ****, are you ever shrill.

It's completely useless having any sort of discussion with you because you're simply unreasonable.

I like you as a dude and a poster most of the time. But jesus, we just have a different opinion. Has nothing to do with "discrimination." Get ahold of yourself.

Let us try to think of this logically. You think it is a ok for a public school in the USA to celebrate a Mexican holiday...ok. You also think that wearing the countries colors (where the school is located) is not ok either as a protest (silent) or to not disturb the latinos on school campus. So, in your opinion, it is ok to celebrate at a school of another countries holiday but ban the host countries colors for being displayed. Sounds completely logical to me :thumbsup:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 11:21 AM
Let us try to think of this logically. You think it is a ok for a public school in the USA to celebrate a Mexican holiday...ok. You also think that wearing the countries colors (where the school is located) is not ok either as a protest (silent) or to not disturb the latinos on school campus. So, in your opinion, it is ok to celebrate at a school of another countries holiday but ban the host countries colors for being displayed. Sounds completely logical to me :thumbsup:

I am thinking of it logically. The principal (or assistant principal) was trying to avoid a confrontation in his school, which would have been unnecessary. What if one of the Mexican kids had brought a gun to school over this? What if there had been another shooting in another school? Would all have been well because the dead kid had been allowed to wear the American flag?

Christ almighty. I think there was a better way to handle the situation. I'm not saying anyone is right here. But from a school administrator's perspective, there's NO win here.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 11:23 AM
Let us try to think of this logically. You think it is a ok for a public school in the USA to celebrate a Mexican holiday...ok. You also think that wearing the countries colors (where the school is located) is not ok either as a protest (silent) or to not disturb the latinos on school campus. So, in your opinion, it is ok to celebrate at a school of another countries holiday but ban the host countries colors for being displayed. Sounds completely logical to me :thumbsup:

I'm sure he would also think that this type of scenario would go over well in any other country on the planet.:spit:

I hope, for their sake, my daughters' school NEVER EVER does anything as STUPID as that particular school did.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 11:27 AM
I am thinking of it logically. The principal (or assistant principal) was trying to avoid a confrontation in his school, which would have been unnecessary. What if one of the Mexican kids had brought a gun to school over this? What if there had been another shooting in another school? Would all have been well because the dead kid had been allowed to wear the American flag?

Christ almighty. I think there was a better way to handle the situation. I'm not saying anyone is right here. But from a school administrator's perspective, there's NO win here.

A logical solution would have been to either: 1. apply the same rule to all students (No one is allowed to wear any type of colors), or 2. Everyone has to remove their shirts/bandanas/face paint.


See the non-discriminatory solution!

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 11:29 AM
I am thinking of it logically. The principal (or assistant principal) was trying to avoid a confrontation in his school, which would have been unnecessary. What if one of the Mexican kids had brought a gun to school over this? What if there had been another shooting in another school? Would all have been well because the dead kid had been allowed to wear the American flag?

Christ almighty. I think there was a better way to handle the situation. I'm not saying anyone is right here. But from a school administrator's perspective, there's NO win here.


in addition: if this clueless administrator hadled the situation correctly, why isn't the district agreeing with his "fix"?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 11:35 AM
in addition: if this clueless administrator hadled the situation correctly, why isn't the district agreeing with his "fix"?

HOLY. ****. Read what I'm saying before you get all up in arms.

I don't agree with what the administrator did. I have never SAID I agree with what the administrator did. But jesus effing christ, can you not see that this isn't a constitutional law issue?

Last I checked, people were allowed to make mistakes when they thought they were doing what was best.

But then, you've never made a ****ing mistake in your life, so you'd have no idea what I'm talking about.

Shrill. You are shrill. Try to tone it down.

broncocalijohn
05-07-2010, 11:36 AM
I am thinking of it logically. The principal (or assistant principal) was trying to avoid a confrontation in his school, which would have been unnecessary. What if one of the Mexican kids had brought a gun to school over this? What if there had been another shooting in another school? Would all have been well because the dead kid had been allowed to wear the American flag?

Christ almighty. I think there was a better way to handle the situation. I'm not saying anyone is right here. But from a school administrator's perspective, there's NO win here.

You better ban everything with writing on a shirt then. I am sure no one was saying anything about the shirt until the asst. principal wanted to make a statement. If there was a problem with it, what does that say for the Hispanics in that school? Seems they are the ones that have the major problem within the school. If you are going to ban a patriotic stance for THIS COUNTRY, then you better just make the kids wear uniforms to school. If not, then he was wrong just like your horrible opinion. Think about it, you want to suspend the students right to wear the American Flag. If the consequences happen over that, it is not on the Asst. principals head but the morons that would cause violence for a petty thing. If and when you have kids, make sure nothing is written on their clothing as I know you would hate to offend any of the other students. I mean a Broncos jersey might piss off another kid if his team just lost to the Broncos and might want to seek revenge on your son.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 11:39 AM
You better ban everything with writing on a shirt then. I am sure no one was saying anything about the shirt until the asst. principal wanted to make a statement. If there was a problem with it, what does that say for the Hispanics in that school? Seems they are the ones that have the major problem within the school. If you are going to ban a patriotic stance for THIS COUNTRY, then you better just make the kids wear uniforms to school. If not, then he was wrong just like your horrible opinion. Think about it, you want to suspend the students right to wear the American Flag. If the consequences happen over that, it is not on the Asst. principals head but the morons that would cause violence for a petty thing. If and when you have kids, make sure nothing is written on their clothing as I know you would hate to offend any of the other students. I mean a Broncos jersey might piss off another kid if his team just lost to the Broncos and might want to seek revenge on your son.

Welcome to Shrill Warehouse.

How are you guys so incapable of just having a differing opinion from someone else?

Grow. The ****. Up.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 11:44 AM
HOLY. ****. Read what I'm saying before you get all up in arms.

I don't agree with what the administrator did. I have never SAID I agree with what the administrator did. But jesus effing christ, can you not see that this isn't a constitutional law issue?

Last I checked, people were allowed to make mistakes when they thought they were doing what was best.

But then, you've never made a ****ing mistake in your life, so you'd have no idea what I'm talking about.

Shrill. You are shrill. Try to tone it down.

Tone it down???

I'll tone it down for you. The ****ING V.P. of this school ****ED UP. He DISCRIMINATED against a small group while allowing a large group to do the same thing. Period (and this isn't the end of this story).

Shrill??? **** you!

Is that "Shrill" enough for you?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 11:46 AM
Tone it down???

I'll tone it down for you. The ****ING V.P. of this school ****ED UP. He DISCRIMINATED against a small group while allowing a large group to do the same thing. Period (and this isn't the end of this story).

Shrill??? **** you!

Is that "Shrill" enough for you?

Yep. Pretty ****ing shrill.

**** me? Jesus. Grow up. Seriously. You're too old to be acting like a 15 year old.

Archer81
05-07-2010, 11:49 AM
The touch, the feel of cotton.

Fabric of our lives.

:Broncos:

Beantown Bronco
05-07-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm finding my Nature Valley Sweet and Salty peanut bar especially tasty today.

mizzoutigers
05-07-2010, 11:59 AM
these burritos are good too, chips and salsa

ScottXray
05-07-2010, 12:26 PM
Haven't read any of this thread bu the OP.

As far as I'm concerned this is outrageous.

A: Cinco de Mayo is not even a recognised national holiday in Mexico.
It is mainly observed here in the US by some Latinos from Mexico.
It is also NOT an official holiday here.

B. This is the United States. Wearing of patriotic clothes (flag shirt, bandannas etc) should NEVER to be considered as disrepectful of others.
Any one that has a problem with it should be the one sent home, not the other way around.

C. While I have no problem with latinos wanting to celebrate their heritage,
history, etc, I am sick of our society and them, thinking that they deserve some special treatment and dispensation becasue of where they came from.
If they want special treatment....go back to Mexico. See how special they are there.

D. The principal should be disciplined for his anti american thought process and instucted on what country this is. He, at the least, should apologise to the students involved.

broncocalijohn
05-07-2010, 01:10 PM
Welcome to Shrill Warehouse.

How are you guys so incapable of just having a differing opinion from someone else?

Grow. The ****. Up.

I am not the one with the problem. When someone wants to ban our own countries colors that tax payers of the US pays for those schools, then I will speak up and think your opinion is way off base. It isnt just the opinion, it is another way of apologizing for our country. NO WAY!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 01:12 PM
I am not the one with the problem. When someone wants to ban our own countries colors that tax payers of the US pays for those schools, then I will speak up and think your opinion is way off base. It isnt just the opinion, it is another way of apologizing for our country. NO WAY!

Except that what you're describing isn't even remotely what happened.

And THAT is why you're shrill. Please, continue to scream about how your rights have somehow been taken away. It's good theater.

Play2win
05-07-2010, 01:14 PM
I am all for equal rights, but I am completely sick of Preferential Rights.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 01:16 PM
Except that what you're describing isn't even remotely what happened.

And THAT is why you're shrill. Please, continue to scream about how your rights have somehow been taken away. It's good theater.


Yes it is. He PUNISHED those who wore one "color" while not punishing those who wore another "color". Discrimination. Period.

....and you can "park" the notion that he was trying to protect them, because if he had that intention, then he would have had to do the same for the other group (you know: Protect them from possible violence).

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 01:25 PM
Yes it is. He PUNISHED those who wore one "color" while not punishing those who wore another "color". Discrimination. Period.

....and you can "park" the notion that he was trying to protect them, because if he had that intention, then he would have had to do the same for the other group (you know: Protect them from possible violence).

Whatever you say! You need to be right! You're right! Okay? feel better now? Is your existence on this planet justified?

Holy ****, I've never seen anyone get so worked up over something that, honestly, we're not going to remember in a ****ing week.

Garcia Bronco
05-07-2010, 01:38 PM
So today or yesterday 200 students walied out because they want those kids suspended. LMAO.

Rohirrim
05-07-2010, 01:57 PM
So today or yesterday 200 students walied out because they want those kids suspended. LMAO.

I'm sure if this principal will only do something to placate those students everything will calm down. Maybe he could replace the American flag in front of the school with the Mexican flag? That ought to get everything back to normal.

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 02:14 PM
Whatever you say! You need to be right! You're right! Okay? feel better now? Is your existence on this planet justified?

Holy ****, I've never seen anyone get so worked up over something that, honestly, we're not going to remember in a ****ing week.


Yep, some of us would rather forget the direction of our nation. Some of us don't think this BS is justified. In fact, some of us think this V.P. needs to be fired!

TailgateNut
05-07-2010, 02:15 PM
I'm sure if this principal will only do something to placate those students everything will calm down. Maybe he could replace the American flag in front of the school with the Mexican flag? That ought to get everything back to normal.


The moosedude would surely approve!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 02:16 PM
Yep, some of us would rather forget the direction of our nation. Some of us don't think this BS is justified. In fact, some of us think this V.P. needs to be fired!

Shrill.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 02:17 PM
I'm sure if this principal will only do something to placate those students everything will calm down. Maybe he could replace the American flag in front of the school with the Mexican flag? That ought to get everything back to normal.

Shriller.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 02:17 PM
The moosedude would surely approve!

Shrillest.

Rohirrim
05-07-2010, 02:39 PM
Shriller.

Geez, I'm just trying to find a peaceful resolution. After all, isn't that what you argued for? You said the principal did the right thing in order to keep the peace, right? So, I'm just continuing with that concept. If removing the kids with the American colors leads to peace, then removing the American flag entirely from the school grounds and replacing it with the Mexican flag will lead to even more peace, using that logic. Right?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 02:47 PM
Geez, I'm just trying to find a peaceful resolution. After all, isn't that what you argued for? You said the principal did the right thing in order to keep the peace, right? So, I'm just continuing with that concept. If removing the kids with the American colors leads to peace, then removing the American flag entirely from the school grounds and replacing it with the Mexican flag will lead to even more peace, using that logic. Right?

I didn't actually ever say the Principal "did the right thing," but what the hell. you're just going to make something up anyway. Please. Proceed.

By the way: your logic is that of Sarah Palin. You Betcha! /wink!

Rohirrim
05-07-2010, 02:52 PM
I didn't actually ever say the Principal "did the right thing," but what the hell. you're just going to make something up anyway. Please. Proceed.

By the way: your logic is that of Sarah Palin. You Betcha! /wink!

Gee, that's kind of shrill. Do you usually get this bent out of shape when people disagree with you?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 03:00 PM
Gee, that's kind of shrill. Do you usually get this bent out of shape when people disagree with you?

Suuuuuuure it is. As soon as I start telling you to go **** yourself, you can call me shrill. Mmkay?

You're not disagreeing with me. You're claiming I wrote something that I never wrote. There's a major difference there.

Play2win
05-07-2010, 03:02 PM
Remember, remember, the Fifth of November... ;D

DenverBroncosJM
05-07-2010, 03:03 PM
I heard an interesting fact on the news yesterday LA Time put out a poll that 51% of the American people are OK with Arizona's new law and 36 % are not.....The left out the 9% that thought the law did not go far enough.

Thats 60% to 36% almost double. The majority of American people are tired of putting up with this bull ****.

Get ready because people are taking sides and this is going to end up bigger then the LA Riots etc.


Its not only Mexicans this law is for...Know why they are so sensitive because they are the grossest offenders of this law.

Rohirrim
05-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Suuuuuuure it is. As soon as I start telling you to go **** yourself, you can call me shrill. Mmkay?

You're not disagreeing with me. You're claiming I wrote something that I never wrote. There's a major difference there.

No. You said the only logical choice left to the principal was appeasement, so I'm just taking the concept of appeasement to its logical conclusion. If the students are offended by the flag, get rid of it. Like you said, there's no real "right" choice here, so the decision that best ends the possibility of confrontation is the only one left. Isn't that what you said?

BroncoBen
05-07-2010, 03:34 PM
Give me a break... these students only wore the shirts to get a reaction. Why else would they make sure to wear them on Cinco De Mayo. How come these kids didn't wear the shirts the day before, or wait till the day after.

Its all BS

cutthemdown
05-07-2010, 03:43 PM
Give me a break... these students only wore the shirts to get a reaction. Why else would they make sure to wear them on Cinco De Mayo. How come these kids didn't wear the shirts the day before, or wait till the day after.

Its all BS

It's called making a statement. Supreme Court has ruled that children don't give up there right to freedom of speech, or expression, just because they are at school.

ColoradoBuff
05-07-2010, 03:49 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=26517&stc=1&d=1273171779


How can anyone say this is disrespectful.

She's Colorado born and raised! Mmmmm gotta love the USA! :notworthy

Rohirrim
05-07-2010, 03:50 PM
Give me a break... these students only wore the shirts to get a reaction. Why else would they make sure to wear them on Cinco De Mayo. How come these kids didn't wear the shirts the day before, or wait till the day after.

Its all BS

What I'm trying to figure out is why it would get a reaction?

cutthemdown
05-07-2010, 04:03 PM
What I'm trying to figure out is why it would get a reaction?

Nail, Hammer, Head. Thank you Rho for being sane. The point of the kids demonstration was to prove that in the atmosphere of the school it had become wrong to display love for America over Mexico. America first always. The kids made a stand, made a point, and proved they were right. The school by removing them proved the kids point that a statement needed to be made.

Wearing an American flag, displaying it, should never cause a negative reaction in a school. Not ever. People died for that flag, not so some teacher could tell kids to take it down.

RMT
05-07-2010, 04:05 PM
Give me a break... these students only wore the shirts to get a reaction. Why else would they make sure to wear them on Cinco De Mayo. How come these kids didn't wear the shirts the day before, or wait till the day after.

Its all BS

Doesn't matter - why should U.S. students apologize for wearing whatever they want (1st amendment rights) because it MIGHT offend students who are loyal to a foreign country? Did you see what the "other students" did today? About 200 walked out to "protest" - and MANY of them were carrying the MEXICO flag. Had the principal managed the situation better, then the walkout would have never happened.

He claims to have tried to avert trouble but it's obvious he escalated it. What if the principal had been white and asked a group of hispanic students to take off or turn their mexico shirts inside out? All hell would have broken loose. The hispanic community would demand he/she be fired. What a disgusting double standard.

Why are we, as Americans, expected to tolerate everyone else and be so apologetic for standing up for what WE believe in? This has gotten way out of hand.

Garcia Bronco
05-07-2010, 04:10 PM
Give me a break... these students only wore the shirts to get a reaction. Why else would they make sure to wear them on Cinco De Mayo. How come these kids didn't wear the shirts the day before, or wait till the day after.

Its all BS


Agreed. They were obviously told before hand to not wear them even indirectly. Which is bull****. I support their decision.

epicSocialism4tw
05-07-2010, 04:13 PM
Doesn't matter - why should U.S. students apologize for wearing whatever they want (1st amendment rights) because it MIGHT offend students who are loyal to a foreign country? Did you see what the "other students" did today? About 200 walked out to "protest" - and MANY of them were carrying the MEXICO flag. Had the principal managed the situation better, then the walkout would have never happened.

He claims to have tried to avert trouble but it's obvious he escalated it. What if the principal had been white and asked a group of hispanic students to take off or turn their mexico shirts inside out? All hell would have broken loose. The hispanic community would demand he/she be fired. What a disgusting double standard.

Why are we, as Americans, expected to tolerate everyone else and be so apologetic for standing up for what WE believe in? This has gotten way out of hand.

Yeah, that principal really screwed this one up.

RMT
05-07-2010, 04:15 PM
http://hotair.cachefly.net/media.michellemalkin.com/archives/images/upsidedown.jpg

this is probably how they hang the flags in front of their school - this picture was actually taken in front of a U.S. post office after students surrounded the facility as part of immigration protests.

and they wonder why Americans are growing more and more angry ...

Archer81
05-07-2010, 04:17 PM
Saw a news clip where some of the kids wearing Mexican gear got into a shoving match with a dude in a wheelchair.

Classy kids.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
05-07-2010, 04:33 PM
Saw a news clip where some of the kids wearing Mexican gear got into a shoving match with a dude in a wheelchair.

Classy kids.

:Broncos:

Have a link?

Archer81
05-07-2010, 04:38 PM
Have a link?


I saw it on television. I dont have a link to it but it was on fox. Looking for it now.


:Broncos:

GreatBronco16
05-07-2010, 04:41 PM
Please tell me that I did not see the Mexican flag flying higher than the United States flag at that school. Please tell me that school is not that stupid.

Archer81
05-07-2010, 04:44 PM
Please tell me that I did not see the Mexican flag flying higher than the United States flag at that school. Please tell me that school is not that stupid.


Not the school. I believe its in front of a postoffice. Ive seen that picture over at MichelleMalkin.com.

Mexican flag should never be higher on a flagpole in the US, and the US flag should not be upside down...massively disrespectful.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
05-07-2010, 04:46 PM
Please tell me that I did not see the Mexican flag flying higher than the United States flag at that school. Please tell me that school is not that stupid.

Wow.

worm
05-07-2010, 04:52 PM
What I'm trying to figure out is why it would get a reaction?

Have you ever been to Live Oak HS? I have.

It doesn't surprise me at all that there would be a reaction to one group or the other repping something.

This is a community that has very dissimilar groups of people living in it. It is a bedroom community to the Silicon Valley up on the Hill by Henry Coe State Park and down in the low lands (by the school) and toward El Toro\Gilroy there are large number of Latinos that are on the other side of the pay scale working manual labor.

There has ALWAYS been racial\economic tensions at this school. I think if the principal had done nothing and something happened....there would be people even more critical of his actions.

IMO he needed to act, he just choose the wrong path. The entire school administration is also at fault...as this is all just a wrinkle to an age old racial\economic problem. A policy should have been put in place long ago for this type of thing.

epicSocialism4tw
05-07-2010, 04:55 PM
Have you ever been to Live Oak HS? I have.

It doesn't surprise me at all that there would be a reaction to one group or the other repping something.

This is a community that has very dissimilar groups of people living in it. It is a bedroom community to the Silicon Valley up on the Hill by Henry Coe State Park and down in the low lands (by the school) and toward El Toro\Gilroy there are large number of Latinos that are on the other side of the pay scale working manual labor.

There has ALWAYS been racial\economic tensions at this school. I think if the principal had done nothing and something happened....there would be people even more critical of his actions.

IMO he needed to act, he just choose the wrong path. The entire school administration is also at fault...as this is all just a wrinkle to an age old racial\economic problem. A policy should have been put in place long ago for this type of thing.

Yep.

Immigration law enforcement.

worm
05-07-2010, 05:02 PM
Yep.

Immigration law enforcement.

Barring that. A policy that the school DOES have control over could be something like they do in New Orleans.

In a community where black and white, rich and poor live literally in the same small space; all schools, Catholic or public have to wear uniforms.

If the school deviates from the uniforms for a 'free' day for whatever reason...then they implement it fairly across the board.

Live Oak HS had the power to recognize tensions that have been there forever and mitigate them before it blew up to something like this.

epicSocialism4tw
05-07-2010, 05:05 PM
Barring that. A policy that the school DOES have control over could be something like they do in New Orleans.

In a community where black and white, rich and poor live literally in the same small space; all schools, Catholic or public have to wear uniforms.

If the school deviates from the uniforms for a 'free' day for whatever reason...then they implement it fairly across the board.

Live Oak HS had the power to recognize tensions that have been there forever and mitigate them before it blew up to something like this.

Whenever the US flag provokes violence in a public school, you know you have a problem.

Dedhed
05-07-2010, 05:53 PM
All you whining flaps come from immigrants and then act like it's the worst crime ever perpetrated to want to be in this country. You are exactly the opposite of what the USA stands for.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 05:59 PM
No. You said the only logical choice left to the principal was appeasement, so I'm just taking the concept of appeasement to its logical conclusion. If the students are offended by the flag, get rid of it. Like you said, there's no real "right" choice here, so the decision that best ends the possibility of confrontation is the only one left. Isn't that what you said?

It's not what I said. At all.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 06:01 PM
Agreed. They were obviously told before hand to not wear them even indirectly. Which is bull****. I support their decision.

You are assuming an awful lot here. An awful, awful lot.

As for "trying to prove a point," weren't these middle schoolers? At what point do middle schoolers start having a socio-political agenda?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-07-2010, 06:03 PM
Not the school. I believe its in front of a postoffice. Ive seen that picture over at MichelleMalkin.com.

Mexican flag should never be higher on a flagpole in the US, and the US flag should not be upside down...massively disrespectful.

:Broncos:

Michelle Malkin would NEVER create something out of thin air like that to rile up the easy-to-rile base she has, would she??

Nah, of course not. She's just a good 'murrcan.

cutthemdown
05-07-2010, 06:10 PM
All you whining flaps come from immigrants and then act like it's the worst crime ever perpetrated to want to be in this country. You are exactly the opposite of what the USA stands for.

Not true we just want the immigrants to want to be Americans. Not just want to live on the edges as illegal workers sapping the system.

We have had a process of what it takes to become American in place for a long time. You are right we embrace that process. The sight of immigrants with there hands raised taking the oath gives me chills. Most of them know what it means to be American more then people born here.

We just want people to be able to display the American flag no matter what. We don't like seeing illegals waving there flag. It's not that we hate mexico or Mexicans. Quite the opposite. We just want America to be a special place and in our opinion illegal immigration is hindering that in many areas of the country.

Do we have to send them all home? no I don't believe that
Do we have to let them all stay? I don't think that either.

Close the border, fine anything or anyone who hires an illegal. If you get caught working as an illegal you spend 6 months labor helping build the fence. Use the illegals themselves to build the fence like other smart empires have done before. Greeks Romans everyone. Except we wont beat and starve them. We will give them food, water, housing in tents in the desert.

In about 10 yrs you would have plenty of fence thats for sure.

Then the next step in on other side. You tell Mexican govt you are sending a blackwater into Mexico to police the other side of the border to stop the flow of drugs and illegals into the country. That will put fear of god in them.

If they wont allow it then you recruit mexican nationals as spies. Give them funding and run counter espinoge on the smuggling groups.

It's simple you catch a mexican, tell said mexican if you want to work for border patrol as informant we will pay you on the info. Give them money, send them back, they then pay someone to smuggle them, they have gps implanted, you catch everyone and repeat. That's what i would do if I was in charge.

Dukes
05-07-2010, 06:29 PM
All you whining flaps come from immigrants and then act like it's the worst crime ever perpetrated to want to be in this country. You are exactly the opposite of what the USA stands for.

You're so off base it's not even funny

GreatBronco16
05-07-2010, 06:43 PM
All you whining flaps come from immigrants and then act like it's the worst crime ever perpetrated to want to be in this country. You are exactly the opposite of what the USA stands for.

Well then bright one, do tell us what the USA stands for. I'm all ears.

Archer81
05-07-2010, 06:47 PM
Michelle Malkin would NEVER create something out of thin air like that to rile up the easy-to-rile base she has, would she??

Nah, of course not. She's just a good 'murrcan.


She has an entire string of articles about the illegal immigration protests for the last few years, and photos from these "peaceful" demonstrations. That was a photo taken at one of these events.

:Broncos:

Mogulseeker
05-07-2010, 08:54 PM
Give me a break... these students only wore the shirts to get a reaction. Why else would they make sure to wear them on Cinco De Mayo. How come these kids didn't wear the shirts the day before, or wait till the day after.

Its all BS

Thats what I'm saying. Both sides were a-holes in this situation.

In fact, I have no idea how the kids were acting, or if they were instigating. If they were, I'd probably do the same thing as the principal.

Dukes
05-07-2010, 09:44 PM
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broncocalijohn
05-08-2010, 12:29 AM
Give me a break... these students only wore the shirts to get a reaction. Why else would they make sure to wear them on Cinco De Mayo. How come these kids didn't wear the shirts the day before, or wait till the day after.

Its all BS

Maybe because they are showing that the American school is making a big deal about a "holiday" where the majority of the kids think it is some Independence Day. Guess what? Only one area (state) in Mexico celebrates it and it isnt some big deal like the beer companies would have you think it is. Maybe the school was putting way too much time into it and they felt like the Mexican kids were wasting a ton of time on this "holiday". Maybe they just wanted to show their alliance to the USA since some of the 5 were of Mexican of Hispanic descent.

broncocalijohn
05-08-2010, 12:39 AM
Thats what I'm saying. Both sides were a-holes in this situation.

In fact, I have no idea how the kids were acting, or if they were instigating. If they were, I'd probably do the same thing as the principal.

from all accounts, the kids did nothing but wear the shirts. If the asst principal feared so much of violence, is he stating that the Mexicans cant handle someone wearing American flag apparal without getting into a fight? What does it say for his student body that cant handle a different point of view on American soil? Seems the 5 boys did it w/o any vocal reaction. You think the administration ever makes these kids take off shirts of Che or Mao? No, he waited until kids wore the most patriotic thing in the US of A.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-08-2010, 07:04 AM
from all accounts, the kids did nothing but wear the shirts. If the asst principal feared so much of violence, is he stating that the Mexicans cant handle someone wearing American flag apparal without getting into a fight? What does it say for his student body that cant handle a different point of view on American soil? Seems the 5 boys did it w/o any vocal reaction. You think the administration ever makes these kids take off shirts of Che or Mao? No, he waited until kids wore the most patriotic thing in the US of A.

And again, you're making a tremendous leap of faith that anyone in that school is wearing a ****ing Chairman Mao tee shirt. Get a GRIP, man.

As for the holiday "not really being a holiday," who gives a ****? Jesus H. Christ. It is packaged every year as a celebration of Mexican heritage, people wearing Mexican flags, eating Mexican food and drinking Mexican beer, listening to mariachi bands in public places; Do you think any of them give a flying **** whether or not some white guy in California thinks it's a legit holiday? Of course not.

It's packaged -- rightly or wrongly -- as a celebration of Mexico. These kids could have worn a plain white tee shirt and nothing would have happened, or they could have worn their American flag the next day -- maybe a stronger "statement" if that's what they were doing; like a "hey, you're still in America, ****tards" reminder -- and nobody would have given a ****.

It is not as big a deal as you and Michelle Malkin want it to be.

Gort
05-08-2010, 07:19 AM
And again, you're making a tremendous leap of faith that anyone in that school is wearing a ****ing Chairman Mao tee shirt. Get a GRIP, man.

As for the holiday "not really being a holiday," who gives a ****? Jesus H. Christ. It is packaged every year as a celebration of Mexican heritage, people wearing Mexican flags, eating Mexican food and drinking Mexican beer, listening to mariachi bands in public places; Do you think any of them give a flying **** whether or not some white guy in California thinks it's a legit holiday? Of course not.

It's packaged -- rightly or wrongly -- as a celebration of Mexico. These kids could have worn a plain white tee shirt and nothing would have happened, or they could have worn their American flag the next day -- maybe a stronger "statement" if that's what they were doing; like a "hey, you're still in America, ****tards" reminder -- and nobody would have given a ****.

It is not as big a deal as you and Michelle Malkin want it to be.

now would be good time to link to a video of the pub joke from American Werewolf in London, but i cant find video online where the joke isn't interrupted at the punchline.

:(

Meck77
05-08-2010, 08:43 AM
Who would have ever thought that American children wearing clothing with the American flag would be controversial in our own country.

God Bless the USA! Whoops.....Am I allowed to say that on this forum or did I offend you?


http://j.imagehost.org/0386/americanflag.jpg (http://j.imagehost.org/view/0386/americanflag)

GreatBronco16
05-08-2010, 09:48 AM
Who would have ever thought that American children wearing clothing with the American flag would be controversial in our own country.

God Bless the USA! Whoops.....Am I allowed to say that on this forum or did I offend you?


http://j.imagehost.org/0386/americanflag.jpg (http://j.imagehost.org/view/0386/americanflag)

Fing REP!!!

DBruleU
05-08-2010, 11:58 AM
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ScottXray
05-08-2010, 12:48 PM
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WOW...Just WOW!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-08-2010, 06:52 PM
Fing REP!!!

Fing sheep! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Archer81
05-08-2010, 07:46 PM
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Charming.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
05-08-2010, 08:35 PM
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Charming.

:Broncos:

Yikes.

This is a race-driven bunch of people and guys like this are little Hilters trying to motivate the "great race" (La Raza) to revolt and take over to put whitey under thumb.

Whoever hired this clown should be fired. Yesterday.

Dukes
05-08-2010, 10:26 PM
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Charming.

:Broncos:

Steal your land back *****, I dare ya.

RMT
05-09-2010, 11:38 AM
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Charming.

:Broncos:

This name of this racist a$$hole piece of $h|t is Ron Gochez. He is a teacher at Santee HS in L.A., http://www.santeefalcons.org/

The principal's name is Richard Chavez, so it's highly likely he actually CONDONES the conduct of this loser ...

Ron's email form can be found at http://www.santeefalcons.org/apps/email/index.jsp?e=42354247421341214117411341174135422342 014241423742074099422742094239&n=Ronald+Gochez&rn=3090152 if you care to send him a message ;)

This video is 3 years old but we'll see more of more of these videos return to the forefront with the heightened resistance to the immigration law Arizona passed.

DarkHorse
05-09-2010, 12:12 PM
California can **** off. Treating nationality and skin color like a ****ing obsession.

Christ. It's the ****ing United States. If you can't deal with our flag and you live here get the **** out.

100% agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtqracmxZf4

Tombstone RJ
05-09-2010, 01:32 PM
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Charming.

:Broncos:

Cheech and Chong disagree. :D

Xenos
05-09-2010, 08:50 PM
After reading this story, I'm trying to figure out why the school sent the kid home on what is essentially an American holiday. No real Mexican celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

GreatBronco16
05-09-2010, 09:04 PM
Fing sheep! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Fing dumbass. Duhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

Mogulseeker
05-09-2010, 09:23 PM
In response to some of the responses here... how do you know that there were no altercations that led to this?

You don't go to class looking this (http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/l_7f438576d6b8d2084282c814914d39b8.jpg) ridiculous and not have someone say something. I'm sure some prick did, and these guys responded. Looking like the taekwondo dude from Napolean Dynamite is going to garner some dissent.

Besides, I was taught in the military that it is disrespectful (and against the actual US flag code) to wear the US flag as clothing. There are two purposes of the US flag: 1. to hang atop flagpoles, homes and public buildings as a sign of patriotism. 2. to be cut up as bandages to treat wounded American soldiers in battle where there are no bandages readily available.

RMT
05-09-2010, 09:29 PM
In response to some of the responses here... how do you know that there were no altercations that led to this?

You don't go to class looking this (http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/l_7f438576d6b8d2084282c814914d39b8.jpg) ridiculous and not have someone say something. I'm sure some prick did, and these guys responded. Looking like the taekwondo dude from Napolean Dynamite is going to garner some dissent.

Besides, I was taught in the military that it is disrespectful (and against the actual US flag code) to wear the US flag as clothing. There are two purposes of the US flag: 1. to hang atop flagpoles, homes and public buildings as a sign of patriotism. 2. to be cut up as bandages to treat wounded soldiers in battle where there are no bandages readily available.

all they had on was Old Navy t-shirts with a flag - if the roles had been reversed and the mexican kids had been sent home for wearing mexico flags on their shirts during the 4th of july - there would be riots, the administrators' jobs would be in jeopardy, and everyone would be crying "racial profiling" ... why should U.S. citizens be expected to cater to a population that flaunts racist views far more than those they accuse? talk about a double standard.

seriously - there are schools that have "la raza" organizations - that stands for "the race" ... have you read about their views? they are extremely racist yet they have chapters in many high school across the United States. we don't see any "black panthers" or "the white race" organizations in schools, do we? why is everyone expected to be so damn tolerant of their racist organizations?

and some of those who are members aren't even legal, so since when do they have a say anyway? they shouldn't.

Americans are angry and this situation is just one more example of political correctedness gone awry. The law in Arizona is a reaction to Washington's refusal to do what the electorate has demanded of them regarding illegal immigration: fix it. So, for them (particularly Obama) to have the audacity to criticize a state for doing a job the federal branch should have addressed by now is ludicrous and hypocritical.

Houshyamama
05-10-2010, 12:28 AM
His quote says otherwise:

"Now, lest we forget, ladies and gentlemen, the carbon tax bill, cap and trade that was scheduled to be announced on Earth Day. I remember that. And then it was postponed for a couple of days later after Earth Day, and then of course immigration has now moved in front of it. But this bill, the cap-and-trade bill, was strongly criticized by hardcore environmentalist wackos because it supposedly allowed more offshore drilling and nuclear plants, nuclear plant investment. So, since they're sending SWAT teams down there, folks, since they're sending SWAT teams to inspect the other rigs, what better way to head off more oil drilling, nuclear plants, than by blowing up a rig? I'm just noting the timing here."

He added later: "The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is."

Well, technically.. it is :) Massive amounts of oil spill into the Gulf every year, naturally. Not saying this isn't a huge catastrophe, because I think it is... but the Gulf can actually handle quite a bit of oil, it does so every year... naturally. :)

Archer81
05-10-2010, 12:30 AM
Well, technically.. it is :) Massive amounts of oil spill into the Gulf every year, naturally. Not saying this isn't a huge catastrophe, because I think it is... but the Gulf can actually handle quite a bit of oil, it does so every year... naturally. :)


Kind of odd that 62% of oil in the ocean is from natural seepage. Wierd.


:Broncos:

Houshyamama
05-10-2010, 12:31 AM
That's what I'm getting at. Wearing the flag on that day is just trying to start some problems. Like I said in my post above, if they normally wore that then no problem. But why break that out on that day? It's to cause trouble, and now people are running to defend them? They didn't do it to honor their country, they did it to cause problems. That's not how our flag should be used.

Maybe they were tired of Mexicans treating America like Mexico.

I don't understand the whole Cinco de Mayo celebration in America. I don't support it, at all... and I'm no flaming conservative either. If you want to celebrate Mexican independence, go be a Mexican.

Houshyamama
05-10-2010, 12:36 AM
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Charming.

:Broncos:

How adorable, the Mexicans want to play war.

Let's get it on.

Meck77
05-10-2010, 08:06 AM
Talked to a buddy of mine who lives in Mexico. Apparently they are starting to turn the table on gringos. He's been told to get out of the country several times in the last few weeks. Mexico use to be a nice place to visit but it's been off my places to visit for several years now. My tourists dollars have been going to Florida anyway. Much safer, cleaner, and at least those dollars will stay in America.

TailgateNut
05-10-2010, 08:38 AM
Talked to a buddy of mine who lives in Mexico. Apparently they are starting to turn the table on gringos. He's been told to get out of the country several times in the last few weeks. Mexico use to be a nice place to visit but it's been off my places to visit for several years now. My tourists dollars have been going to Florida anyway. Much safer, cleaner, and at least those dollars will stay in America.


My wife has "egged me on" to take a trip to Mexico over the years but I have and always will refuse to spend my money in that ****ing country. I'll either keep my money in the US (We've traveled to Hawaii, Florida, Arizona, California, Virginia, Maryland, DC, N.C.,Washington and made stops in many other states if those vacations were "road trips". We've also been to Aruba, and the Virgin Islands.
Another place I have no desire to ever visit again (lived there for two years) is Texass. It's Mexico North to me.:~ohyah!:

Meck77
05-10-2010, 09:11 AM
Apparently you can't fly an American flag out of your truck anymore in California without it being ripped out of your hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuqU0Yx4jw

TailgateNut
05-10-2010, 09:54 AM
Apparently you can't fly an American flag out of your truck anymore in California without it being ripped out of your hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuqU0Yx4jw


I hope this continues long enough that enough people will understand the disrespect the illegal immigration disease spreads in this nation. Come here, have an achor baby to assist in your illegal effort to gain access to our tax dollars and then spit on our flag.

Time to end this BS.
Stop it at the border.
Stop it in the workforce.
Stop catering to them with health and welfare progarms.

Archer81
05-10-2010, 11:29 AM
I hope this continues long enough that enough people will understand the disrespect the illegal immigration disease spreads in this nation. Come here, have an achor baby to assist in your illegal effort to gain access to our tax dollars and then spit on our flag.

Time to end this BS.
Stop it at the border.
Stop it in the workforce.
Stop catering to them with health and welfare progarms.


Might help to end the anchor baby scenario. Only country on earth that has such a law...and we did it to ensure citizenship for former slaves.

:Broncos:

TailgateNut
05-10-2010, 12:28 PM
Might help to end the anchor baby scenario. Only country on earth that has such a law...and we did it to ensure citizenship for former slaves.



:Broncos:


It is the biggest "crock of ****" law on the books with regard to citizenship. It needs to be revoked and rewritten to require, at a minimum, one parent to be a legal resident, naturalized citizen, or citizen of the US, to enable the child to be an American citizen when born on US soil.

This run across the border, have American citizens pay for your illegal ass to have a child in our hospitals ****, has to change

Meck77
05-10-2010, 12:33 PM
Meanwhile Americans are being asked to show their passports while traveling into and around Mexico. We should be rioting in the streets! How dare they ask us to prove our citizenship while visiting their country!!!!!

edgemyster
05-10-2010, 12:36 PM
Teacher Deems American Flag 'Offensive'
Source: http://toddstarnes.com/?p=559

The battle over the American flag has reached a middle school art class in California’s Santa Rita School District (http://santaritaschools.org/) where a student was told not to draw Old Glory because it was “offensive,” while another student was praised for drawing a picture of President Obama.


Tracy Hathaway, of Salinas, CA, told FOX News Radio her 13-year-old daughter was ordered to stop drawing the American flag and start another project at Gavilan View Middle School.


“She had drawn the flag and was sketching the letters, ‘God bless America,’ when the teacher confronted her,” Hathaway told FOX. “She said, ‘You can’t draw that – that’s offensive.’”


Even more striking, another student in the same art class drew a picture of President Obama and was praised by the teacher.


“The picture of Barack Obama was in red, white and blue hues,” Hathaway said. “ The teacher said it was great. But when it comes to the flag – all of a sudden it was offensive?”


Hathaway said she took her concerns to the principal – and he was “floored” and apologized for what happened. He arranged a meeting with the Hathaways and the teacher.


“My husband point-blank asked her what she found offensive about the picture – the American flag or the words, ‘God Bless America,’” she said. “The teacher didn’t say a word.”


Hathaway said she was especially concerned that a picture of President Obama was praised yet a picture of the American flag was deemed offensive.


“That showed where she stood in the political spectrum,” she said "But this was not a political class. This was not a religious class. This was an art class."


“My daughter wasn’t trying to break any rules and she wasn’t trying to create a scene,” she said. “She was just expressing her view and saying this is America and I want God to bless it.”


Mike Brusa, the superintendent of schools (http://santaritaschools.org/), told FOX in a written statement that he had contacted the principal and that the issue “was taken care of to their (the parent’s) satisfaction.”


“The school administration and the parents did not view this as significant enough to bring it to the superintendent’s office,” he wrote.


However, Hathaway said her daughter has yet to receive an apology – and in fact – the teacher told the girl that she should not have gotten her parents involved in the matter.


“My daughter felt like her rights were being trampled on – she was doing what she thought was right.” she said. “It’s disturbing. It really is disturbing. When I was in junior high we didn’t have a lot of the problems they are having now. We were allowed to speak our mind. It’s absolutely devastating for me. Last time I looked, this is America. This is still a free country."

TailgateNut
05-10-2010, 12:42 PM
Meanwhile Americans are being asked to show their passports while traveling into and around Mexico. We should be rioting in the streets! How dare they ask us to prove our citizenship while visiting their country!!!!!

Stop traveling to Mexico and watch the little fuggers squirm when their tourist dollars disappear.

They want to boycott Arizona. Boycott Mexico!!!

Archer81
05-10-2010, 12:44 PM
However, Hathaway said her daughter has yet to receive an apology – and in fact – the teacher told the girl that she should not have gotten her parents involved in the matter.


This bothers me more than anything else in this article. Who the **** is the teacher to tell a student NOT to talk to her parents? How mature is this art teacher?

Jesus.


:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
05-10-2010, 01:54 PM
I want to a La Raza rally and bong party broke out. Beer bong, pot bong, you name it. After a while the rally turned into a cook out. Jesus had it right: just feed the people.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-10-2010, 02:22 PM
“My husband point-blank asked her what she found offensive about the picture – the American flag or the words, ‘God Bless America,’” she said. “The teacher didn’t say a word.”


Hathaway said she was especially concerned that a picture of President Obama was praised yet a picture of the American flag was deemed offensive.


“That showed where she stood in the political spectrum,” she said "But this was not a political class. This was not a religious class. This was an art class."

pardon me, but this sounds like ****ing bull****. Nice story breaking, Faux.

No quotes from the teacher? No quotes (outside of a statement) from the district or principal? Unsolicited shots at "we can see where she stands in the political spectrum"?

And you expect people to take this seriously?

Again: Nice work, Faux.

And once more: Why is this not on the political forum? Anyone?

Tombstone RJ
05-10-2010, 02:31 PM
“My husband point-blank asked her what she found offensive about the picture – the American flag or the words, ‘God Bless America,’” she said. “The teacher didn’t say a word.”


Hathaway said she was especially concerned that a picture of President Obama was praised yet a picture of the American flag was deemed offensive.


“That showed where she stood in the political spectrum,” she said "But this was not a political class. This was not a religious class. This was an art class."

pardon me, but this sounds like ****ing bull****. Nice story breaking, Faux.

No quotes from the teacher? No quotes (outside of a statement) from the district or principal? Unsolicited shots at "we can see where she stands in the political spectrum"?

And you expect people to take this seriously?

Again: Nice work, Faux.

And once more: Why is this not on the political forum? Anyone?

Yah, I'm sure it's all made up. The teacher got caught being a hypocrit. Deal with it.

Rohirrim
05-10-2010, 02:31 PM
They better look out! Now the ACLU is stepping in:

None of the five students were suspended, but the ACLU says the boys' rights to freedom of speech were violated.

"It was censorship to tell the students not to wear the American flag shirts and those are rights protected by the California education code and both the California and U.S. Constitution," said Julia Harumi Mass from the ACLU.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-10-2010, 02:34 PM
Yah, I'm sure it's all made up. The teacher got caught being a hypocrit. Deal with it.

Thanks, but I'll just wait and see. The mother obviously has a political agenda, and we all know Fox has an agenda. It doesn't have to all be made up to all be a huge pile of doo doo.

Houshyamama
05-10-2010, 03:40 PM
Thanks, but I'll just wait and see. The mother obviously has a political agenda, and we all know Fox has an agenda. It doesn't have to all be made up to all be a huge pile of doo doo.

Agreed, but so does every other mainstream American news source.

Here's an interesting question, do any of you out there have an internet news source that you generally trust? (Conspiracy sites need not apply, not that they never put out anything that's true but because they are often filled with so much speculation that it hurts the brain.)

Rohirrim
05-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Agreed, but so does every other mainstream American news source.

Here's an interesting question, do any of you out there have an internet news source that you generally trust? (Conspiracy sites need not apply, not that they never put out anything that's true but because they are often filled with so much speculation that it hurts the brain.)

NPR and anything on PBS' Frontline, not to mention PBS itself.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-10-2010, 03:44 PM
Agreed, but so does every other mainstream American news source.

Here's an interesting question, do any of you out there have an internet news source that you generally trust? (Conspiracy sites need not apply, not that they never put out anything that's true but because they are often filled with so much speculation that it hurts the brain.)

I do not disagree with you. But this isn't on another American news source. It's on Fox. And it's absolutely plain that they wanted this story to read a certain way, hence my hesitation to buy in.

As for other sources of internet news, I've yet to find one that is both reliable and timely AND somewhat neutral. The best thing I can suggest is to read stuff like Huffington Post, then cruise over to Red State to see what their take is on the same story. /shrug It ain't much, but at least I feel pretty knowledgeable about both sides of the coin.

Houshyamama
05-10-2010, 03:47 PM
I do not disagree with you. But this isn't on another American news source. It's on Fox. And it's absolutely plain that they wanted this story to read a certain way, hence my hesitation to buy in.

As for other sources of internet news, I've yet to find one that is both reliable and timely AND somewhat neutral. The best thing I can suggest is to read stuff like Huffington Post, then cruise over to Red State to see what their take is on the same story. /shrug It ain't much, but at least I feel pretty knowledgeable about both sides of the coin.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. As far as the Huffington Post goes, it's pretty liberal, not that they don't put out some good stuff. I guess you just have to read a few different articles from different angles and do your best to read between the lines.

Houshyamama
05-10-2010, 03:48 PM
NPR and anything on PBS' Frontline, not to mention PBS itself.

Yeah, I love NPR. I feel old every time I choose it over the 'new music' station. (Which, by the way, new music is retarded).

Cito Pelon
05-10-2010, 04:42 PM
This same basic argument has gone on since some guy in about 10,000 BC wore a deerskin and some other guy wore an antelope skin. Or maybe whistled a different tune. So much for progress.

cutthemdown
05-10-2010, 04:43 PM
Amnesty coming up. I won't even mind that so much if the people realy want to be Americans. Learn the language, not have a criminal record of any kind, and be Americans. That means taking the citizenship test etc etc.

Then we still need to close the border so we don't have to go through this again. Then also you make entering illegally a felony, the punishment is 2 yrs labor on the border fence.

epicSocialism4tw
05-10-2010, 04:44 PM
This same basic argument has gone on since some guy in about 10,000 BC wore a deerskin and some other guy wore an antelope skin. Or maybe whistled a different tune. So much for progress.

If that's not an intellectual reduction into absurdity, then I dont know what is!

epicSocialism4tw
05-10-2010, 04:48 PM
Amnesty coming up. I won't even mind that so much if the people realy want to be Americans. Learn the language, not have a criminal record of any kind, and be Americans. That means taking the citizenship test etc etc.

Then we still need to close the border so we don't have to go through this again. Then also you make entering illegally a felony, the punishment is 2 yrs labor on the border fence.

Its time to make tough decisions.

I agree on a path to citizenship, but that line has to be hard. It has to be firm. If there is family in Mexico, they must remain in Mexico. If a family member with a criminal record is deported and locked out, then he stays locked out. Completion of the naturalization process is required and paid for by the immigrants. The naturalization process includes American history and politics education. Very basic english is required.

cutthemdown
05-10-2010, 04:50 PM
Thanks, but I'll just wait and see. The mother obviously has a political agenda, and we all know Fox has an agenda. It doesn't have to all be made up to all be a huge pile of doo doo.

You really think Wall Street Journal, CNN, MSNBC, hell even MTV have an agenda? They all have agendas. Even trying to look objective is one of them etc etc.

It's much easier to find the partisanship with a media outlet when it goes against your views. Much easier to just feel smart when the media agrees with you.

I don't watch TV news so I guess I don't know. When you read to get news I think you are better off. I just like to read whatever I can find that is written well and interesting. Liberal, right wing, whatever.

But in the UK they have laws making the media be unbiased. Not sure how it works but I do like the BBC sometimes but obviously they don't hit local American issues.

cutthemdown
05-10-2010, 04:55 PM
Its time to make tough decisions.

I agree on a path to citizenship, but that line has to be hard. It has to be firm. If there is family in Mexico, they must remain in Mexico. If a family member with a criminal record is deported and locked out, then he stays locked out. Completion of the naturalization process is required and paid for by the immigrants. The naturalization process includes American history and politics education. Very basic english is required.

Then after that if the violence on the border with the cartels doesnt die down soon, we will have to do something about it. Mexico will have to agree to let us take over the other side of the border and push the violence away from America.

Send in National Guard of Texas/California/Ariz and then compensate those states with fed money.

epicSocialism4tw
05-10-2010, 04:58 PM
Then after that if the violence on the border with the cartels doesnt die down soon, we will have to do something about it. Mexico will have to agree to let us take over the other side of the border and push the violence away from America.

Send in National Guard of Texas/California/Ariz and then compensate those states with fed money.

A border fence should be in place prior to passing naturalization plans. Stem the tide first, and then deal with the people who are here.

The government wants to create jobs? Hire people (paid with naturalization costs) to instruct, direct, and complete the naturalization process.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-10-2010, 05:14 PM
You really think Wall Street Journal, CNN, MSNBC, hell even MTV have an agenda? They all have agendas. Even trying to look objective is one of them etc etc.

It's much easier to find the partisanship with a media outlet when it goes against your views. Much easier to just feel smart when the media agrees with you.

I don't watch TV news so I guess I don't know. When you read to get news I think you are better off. I just like to read whatever I can find that is written well and interesting. Liberal, right wing, whatever.

But in the UK they have laws making the media be unbiased. Not sure how it works but I do like the BBC sometimes but obviously they don't hit local American issues.

Oy. Where did I claim that those networks DON'T have an agenda? Anywhere? Nowhere. Good try.

The old "Well EVERYONE does it!" excuse is not valid. It's very childish. We're talking about one specific network, and one specific story they ran. This story didn't even attempt to get a quote from another side (save for the statement from the district, which was as vague and non-committal as it could be), and puts the biases of the story's subject on full display. It has NOTHING to do with any other network.

When a story is posted that impugns the credibility of one of those networks, THEN you can complain about it. Deal?

Houshyamama
05-10-2010, 05:21 PM
You really think Wall Street Journal, CNN, MSNBC, hell even MTV have an agenda? They all have agendas. Even trying to look objective is one of them etc etc.

It's much easier to find the partisanship with a media outlet when it goes against your views. Much easier to just feel smart when the media agrees with you.

I don't watch TV news so I guess I don't know. When you read to get news I think you are better off. I just like to read whatever I can find that is written well and interesting. Liberal, right wing, whatever.

But in the UK they have laws making the media be unbiased. Not sure how it works but I do like the BBC sometimes but obviously they don't hit local American issues.

BBC America is one of the better ones IMO

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 12:32 PM
To reiterate a point I brought up earlier that this is problem of bigotry and nothing more, take a gander at Roger Ebert's take, especially the following:

"I invite you to perform four easy thought experiments:

1. You and four friends are in Boston and attend the St. Patrick's Day parade wearing matching Union Jack t-shirts, which of course you have every right to do.

2. You and your pals are in Chicago on Pulaski Day, and wear a t-shirt with a photograph of Joseph Stalin, which is your right.

3. In San Francisco's Chinatown for the parade, your crowd wears t-shirts saying "My granddad was at the Rape of Nanking and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

4. In Chicago for the Bud Billiken Parade, you and your crowd, back in shape after three hospitalizations, turn up with matching t-shirts sporting the Confederate flag."

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100509/OPINION/100509974

Dagmar
05-11-2010, 12:37 PM
I don't watch TV news so I guess I don't know. When you read to get news I think you are better off. I just like to read whatever I can find that is written well and interesting. Liberal, right wing, whatever.

But in the UK they have laws making the media be unbiased. Not sure how it works but I do like the BBC sometimes but obviously they don't hit local American issues.


No they do not. The BBC only, and that is because it is publicly funded.

Unbiased?
http://everydaysaholiday.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/daily_mirror_bush.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01614/1992-sun_1614462i.jpg

Rohirrim
05-11-2010, 12:38 PM
To reiterate a point I brought up earlier that this is problem of bigotry and nothing more, take a gander at Roger Ebert's take, especially the following:

"I invite you to perform four easy thought experiments:

1. You and four friends are in Boston and attend the St. Patrick's Day parade wearing matching Union Jack t-shirts, which of course you have every right to do.

2. You and your pals are in Chicago on Pulaski Day, and wear a t-shirt with a photograph of Joseph Stalin, which is your right.

3. In San Francisco's Chinatown for the parade, your crowd wears t-shirts saying "My granddad was at the Rape of Nanking and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

4. In Chicago for the Bud Billiken Parade, you and your crowd, back in shape after three hospitalizations, turn up with matching t-shirts sporting the Confederate flag."

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100509/OPINION/100509974

There's a slight problem with this analogy. The American flag, when displayed in America, is not analogous to any of these examples and further, to make such an analogy assumes that the American flag is somehow an insult to those who wish to fly Mexican colors on American soil on Cinco de Mayo. I could see how those analogies above could be considered insensitive and insulting in the above examples, but how could the showing of American colors on American soil be considered an insult to those celebrating a Mexican victory over the French? I guess this analogy would work if you were flying the French colors.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 12:58 PM
There's a slight problem with this analogy. The American flag, when displayed in America, is not analogous to any of these examples and further, to make such an analogy assumes that the American flag is somehow an insult to those who wish to fly Mexican colors on American soil on Cinco de Mayo. I could see how those analogies above could be considered insensitive and insulting in the above examples, but how could the showing of American colors on American soil be considered an insult to those celebrating a Mexican victory over the French? I guess this analogy would work if you were flying the French colors.

1.) Cinco de Mayo is an American celebration generally used to celebrate Mexican-American heritage (just like Saint Patrick's Day is a day to celebrate Irish-American heritage). It's not celebrated generally in Mexico, just like St. Patty's was originally only celebrated in the U.S.

2.) The intent of their display was the issue, not the display itself. Their intent was to be rude to those celebrating their heritage. Just like any speech, it's the intent that matters, not the form of the speech. If I were say frack you, we all know what my intent is regardless of the fact that I avoid the 'dirty' word. Likewise, we can easily use any other symbol (such as, perhaps, a flag) to convey the same message as that word I substitute with frack.

3.) 80 years ago, we'd likely be having the same conversation about Irish-Americans, who were viewed very similarly to how Mexican-Amerians are viewed today. The only difference is the era.


Now, to be clear. They should not have been sent home. They should have been allowed to exercise their free speech. That doesn't mean their intent was admirable just because they used a symbol we all like to convey that intent.

Plus, if they were true patriots they'd know it's considered disrespectful to cut up and use the flag as clothing. ;)

Rohirrim
05-11-2010, 01:28 PM
1.) Cinco de Mayo is an American celebration generally used to celebrate Mexican-American heritage (just like Saint Patrick's Day is a day to celebrate Irish-American heritage). It's not celebrated generally in Mexico, just like St. Patty's was originally only celebrated in the U.S.

2.) The intent of their display was the issue, not the display itself. Their intent was to be rude to those celebrating their heritage. Just like any speech, it's the intent that matters, not the form of the speech. If I were say frack you, we all know what my intent is regardless of the fact that I avoid the 'dirty' word. Likewise, we can easily use any other symbol (such as, perhaps, a flag) to convey the same message as that word I substitute with frack.

3.) 80 years ago, we'd likely be having the same conversation about Irish-Americans, who were viewed very similarly to how Mexican-Amerians are viewed today. The only difference is the era.


Now, to be clear. They should not have been sent home. They should have been allowed to exercise their free speech. That doesn't mean their intent was admirable just because they used a symbol we all like to convey that intent.

Plus, if they were true patriots they'd know it's considered disrespectful to cut up and use the flag as clothing. ;)

Well, we assume the kids flying the American colors had an ulterior motive. Maybe they were reacting to intimidation from the kids flying the Mexican colors? Given some of the reactions I saw, I would consider that just as likely. It certainly appeared from some of the film that the hispanic kids were waving the Mexican colors in a way intended to insult. What the school should have done is banned "all" symbolism that could lead to conflict, not just one side.

I still find it ludicrous that the colors of the U.S. could be banned on its own soil. Knowing what I know of Mexico (having once had a house down there) if they tried to ban the Mexican flag at a Mexican school, I imagine the Mexican people would burn it to the ground and hang the principal. In America, it's become some kind of disease that we should not offend anybody. I still say, anybody offended by the American flag in America should find someplace else to live.

TailgateNut
05-11-2010, 01:31 PM
1.) Cinco de Mayo #1is an American celebration generally used to celebrate Mexican-American heritage (just like Saint Patrick's Day is a day to celebrate Irish-American heritage). #2It's not celebrated generally in Mexico, just like St. Patty's was originally only celebrated in the U.S.

2.) The intent of their display was the issue, not the display itself. Their intent was to be rude to #3those celebrating their heritage. Just like any speech, it's the intent that matters, not the form of the speech. If I were say frack you, we all know what my intent is regardless of the fact that I avoid the 'dirty' word. Likewise, we can easily use any other symbol (such as, perhaps, a flag) to convey the same message as that word I substitute with frack.

3.) 80 years ago, we'd likely be having the same conversation about Irish-Americans, who were viewed very similarly to how Mexican-Amerians are viewed today. The only difference is the era.


Now, to be clear. They should not have been sent home. They should have been allowed to exercise their free speech. That doesn't mean their intent was admirable just because they used a symbol we all like to convey that intent.

#4Plus, if they were true patriots they'd know it's considered disrespectful to cut up and use the flag as clothing. ;)

1.It is not "an American celebration"! Alcoholics use it as an excuse to drink!
2.Correct! it isn't celebrated in all of Mexico, generally speaking only the rergion in which the battle was fought and won.
3.They weren't celebrating their HERITAGE. ****, they don't even know what the celebration is about. If they were celebrating their "HERITAGE", they'd have to wait until September.
4.They didn't cut up the flag and use it as clothing!

TailgateNut
05-11-2010, 01:33 PM
Well, we assume the kids flying the American colors had an ulterior motive. Maybe they were reacting to intimidation from the kids flying the Mexican colors? Given some of the reactions I saw, I would consider that just as likely. It certainly appeared from some of the film that the hispanic kids were waving the Mexican colors in a way intended to insult. What the school should have done is banned "all" symbolism that could lead to conflict, not just one side.

I still find it ludicrous that the colors of the U.S. could be banned on its own soil. Knowing what I know of Mexico (having once had a house down there) if they tried to ban the Mexican flag at a Mexican school, I imagine the Mexican people would burn it to the ground and hang the principal. In America, it's become some kind of disease that we should not offend anybody. I still say, anybody offended by the American flag in America should find someplace else to live.


...and anyone defending this action as being some "angel from heaven" move by the pricipal to avoid conflict, should do the same!

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 01:52 PM
Well, we assume the kids flying the American colors had an ulterior motive.


Five kids, all friends, just happened to show up wearing matching outfits? Un-huh, sure.


Maybe they were reacting to intimidation from the kids flying the Mexican colors? Given some of the reactions I saw, I would consider that just as likely. It certainly appeared from some of the film that the hispanic kids were waving the Mexican colors in a way intended to insult. What the school should have done is banned "all" symbolism that could lead to conflict, not just one side.


None should be banned.


I still find it ludicrous that the colors of the U.S. could be banned on its own soil. Knowing what I know of Mexico (having once had a house down there) if they tried to ban the Mexican flag at a Mexican school, I imagine the Mexican people would burn it to the ground and hang the principal. In America, it's become some kind of disease that we should not offend anybody. I still say, anybody offended by the American flag in America should find someplace else to live.

You're still consumed with the symbol itself, not the intent of that symbol. No info I have seen indicates that anyone was offended by the symbol itself.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 01:58 PM
1.It is not "an American celebration"! Alcoholics use it as an excuse to drink!


It started and formed in its current state in the U.S. by Americans. What exactly is your definition of an American Celebration if not Americans celebrating something?


3.They weren't celebrating their HERITAGE. ****, they don't even know what the celebration is about. If they were celebrating their "HERITAGE", they'd have to wait until September.


So you have intimate knowledge of their motivations? How, pray tell?


4.They didn't cut up the flag and use it as clothing!

A representation of the flag was cut and made in to a shirt. But that's neither here nor there -- simply a joke =P

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 02:40 PM
1.) Cinco de Mayo is an American celebration generally used to celebrate Mexican-American heritage (just like Saint Patrick's Day is a day to celebrate Irish-American heritage). It's not celebrated generally in Mexico, just like St. Patty's was originally only celebrated in the U.S.

2.) The intent of their display was the issue, not the display itself. Their intent was to be rude to those celebrating their heritage. Just like any speech, it's the intent that matters, not the form of the speech. If I were say frack you, we all know what my intent is regardless of the fact that I avoid the 'dirty' word. Likewise, we can easily use any other symbol (such as, perhaps, a flag) to convey the same message as that word I substitute with frack.

3.) 80 years ago, we'd likely be having the same conversation about Irish-Americans, who were viewed very similarly to how Mexican-Amerians are viewed today. The only difference is the era.


Now, to be clear. They should not have been sent home. They should have been allowed to exercise their free speech. That doesn't mean their intent was admirable just because they used a symbol we all like to convey that intent.

Plus, if they were true patriots they'd know it's considered disrespectful to cut up and use the flag as clothing. ;)

Roger Ebert is a bad film critic and a moron.

Further evidenced by what you just posted.

TailgateNut
05-11-2010, 02:44 PM
Five kids, all friends, just happened to show up wearing matching outfits? Un-huh, sure.





None should be banned.







You're still consumed with the symbol itself, not the intent of that symbol. No info I have seen indicates that anyone was offended by the symbol itself.

Maybe you should consider gathering facts before entering into an argument.

They weren't wearing matching outfits.

Neither were the 100(+-) who were wearing/ displaying the Mexican colors.
But we should worry about them, because they were just showing THEIR NATIONAL PRIDE, unlike the american kids who were "instigating". Right??

Dagmar
05-11-2010, 02:50 PM
Roger Ebert is a bad film critic and a moron.

Further evidenced by what you just posted.

Attacking a disabled person gets you 2 weeks here. ;)

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-11-2010, 02:56 PM
It started and formed in its current state in the U.S. by Americans. What exactly is your definition of an American Celebration if not Americans celebrating something?



So you have intimate knowledge of their motivations? How, pray tell?



A representation of the flag was cut and made in to a shirt. But that's neither here nor there -- simply a joke =P

Three of 'them' stole his identity. So they were literally HIM for a little while. So he KNOWS their intentions!

TailgateNut
05-11-2010, 03:03 PM
Three of 'them' stole his identity. So they were literally HIM for a little while. So he KNOWS their intentions!


What's the matter? Are you all butthurt because not everyone is willing to accept the lame escuses made by the V.P. of this school.

Cool Breeze
05-11-2010, 03:06 PM
They need to send home the Cali hispanic teacher calling for widespread insurrection.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 03:09 PM
Maybe you should consider gathering facts before entering into an argument.

They weren't wearing matching outfits.


Oh please. You know damn well when I said "matching outfits" what I meant.


Neither were the 100(+-) who were wearing/ displaying the Mexican colors.
But we should worry about them, because they were just showing THEIR NATIONAL PRIDE, unlike the american kids who were "instigating". Right??

Five friends don't show up in matching outfits, on a day when everyone else is showing up with different matching outfits, without a purpose.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 03:11 PM
Roger Ebert is a bad film critic and a moron.

Further evidenced by what you just posted.

Feeling below quota on your logical fallacies today? Well, I hereby award you an ad-hominem for the day. Congratulations!

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:13 PM
Feeling below quota on your logical fallacies today? Well, I hereby award you an ad-hominem for the day. Congratulations!

You get the "dude who posted a political opinion of Roger Ebert to solidify his position" award. Ha!

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 03:17 PM
You get the "dude who posted a political opinion of Roger Ebert to solidify his position" award. Ha!

If you had a modicum of reading comprehension, you'd know that I wasn't using Ebert for support, but for eloquence that I readily admit to lacking.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:30 PM
If you had a modicum of reading comprehension, you'd know that I wasn't using Ebert for support, but for eloquence that I readily admit to lacking.

Hilarious!

Okay, so you win the "Roger Ebert is my brain" award.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 03:34 PM
Hilarious!

Okay, so you win the "Roger Ebert is my brain" award.

Look up the term eloquence. It has to do with style, not content. Moron.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:36 PM
Look up the term eloquence. It has to do with style, not content. Moron.

Alright, Roger Ebert...whatever.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 03:41 PM
Alright, Roger Ebert...whatever.

Oh, don't go all pouty on me now. That's just sad.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 03:56 PM
Oh, don't go all pouty on me now. That's just sad.

Listen, Roger Ebert.

I have always thought that your movie reviews were crap and I always hoped that Roper would smack you right in the eye so that I could enjoy the few seconds that I watched your show as I flipped through the channels between infomercials.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 04:11 PM
Listen, Roger Ebert.

I have always thought that your movie reviews were crap and I always hoped that Roper would smack you right in the eye so that I could enjoy the few seconds that I watched your show as I flipped through the channels between infomercials.

Oh, I understand now. Your superior education you like to tout was acquired at the following institution:

http://www.ringling.com/TextContent.aspx?id=17084&parentID=390&assetFolderID=708

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:23 PM
Oh, I understand now. Your superior education you like to tout was acquired at the following institution:

http://www.ringling.com/TextContent.aspx?id=17084&parentID=390&assetFolderID=708

Clown college would have done you some good, Ebert.

Fedaykin
05-11-2010, 04:48 PM
Clown college would have done you some good, Ebert.

Your little temper tantrum is getting a 2/10 at the moment. Seems even with those you struggle to provide substance.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 05:11 PM
Your little temper tantrum is getting a 2/10 at the moment. Seems even with those you struggle to provide substance.

Listen Ebert...you look like an overweight lesbian librarian.

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/roger-ebert-18th-annual-ifp-independent-spirit-awards-arrivals-3Eqf3t.jpg

bpc
05-11-2010, 05:34 PM
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ghwk
05-11-2010, 05:38 PM
Listen Ebert...you look like an overweight lesbian librarian.

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/roger-ebert-18th-annual-ifp-independent-spirit-awards-arrivals-3Eqf3t.jpg

You are one F**Ked up "christian".

Dukes
05-11-2010, 05:43 PM
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Mexicans have been here for 40 thousand years? Who knew? :kiddingme

Archer81
05-11-2010, 05:43 PM
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Funny white people are racist but a group called "The Race" is perfectly ok.

****ing idiots.

:Broncos:

bpc
05-11-2010, 05:45 PM
Radicalism Defined: Here's one of our awesome High School teachers in California. I can only imagine what else he's drilling in kids heads.



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Requiem
05-11-2010, 05:49 PM
Probably no worse than what you will eventually drill in yours.

bpc
05-11-2010, 05:58 PM
Probably no worse than what you will eventually drill in yours.

Am I talking about revolution or eliminating rights? NO. I'm talking about enforcing US laws, protecting our country, something our gutless government will not do to protect us from radical sewage like this.

These people are hyping up VERY radical thought which affects your country. These people are a few incentives away from strapping a bomb on their chest or wielding an automatic weapon in a public place. It's pretty sad that instead of identifying that, you're finding ways to agree with them? You and your ilk would rather spotlight some old folk at Tea Party rally's as the problem and turn a blindeye to this crap.

The thought is sick and twisted but you see MANY self-destructive US citizens embracing this mentality. It just happens to coincide with the progressive movement.

Dagmar
05-11-2010, 06:57 PM
Listen Ebert...you look like an overweight lesbian librarian.


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_sgQfM__mwG7SM:http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/hsxjedi/movies/roger-ebert-jaw-cancer-photo-esquir.jpg

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/ap/c5f434e0-e987-4aed-aa9c-a14b75721d3f.hmedium.jpg


He actually looks like someone who spent the decade seriously suffering from thyroid cancer and has lost his jaw and ability to speak.

The man is at death's door.

I know it is coming, and I do not fear it, because I believe there is nothing on the other side of death to fear. I hope to be spared as much pain as possible on the approach path. I was perfectly content before I was born, and I think of death as the same state. What I am grateful for is the gift of intelligence, and for life, love, wonder, and laughter. You can't say it wasn't interesting. My lifetime's memories are what I have brought home from the trip. I will require them for eternity no more than that little souvenir of the Eiffel Tower I brought home from Paris

And has more writing skill left that you will ever possess.


What a delightful christian you are.

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2010, 07:31 PM
Am I talking about revolution or eliminating rights? NO. I'm talking about enforcing US laws, protecting our country, something our gutless government will not do to protect us from radical sewage like this.

These people are hyping up VERY radical thought which affects your country. These people are a few incentives away from strapping a bomb on their chest or wielding an automatic weapon in a public place. It's pretty sad that instead of identifying that, you're finding ways to agree with them? You and your ilk would rather spotlight some old folk at Tea Party rally's as the problem and turn a blindeye to this crap.

The thought is sick and twisted but you see MANY self-destructive US citizens embracing this mentality. It just happens to coincide with the progressive movement.

Flipside: if the gov. gave two cents about this movement wouldn't that just solidify the movement's ultimate goal? Recognition? A Voice?

I think it's best to just ignore them and protect the first amendment. Pass them a doob and I bet things settle down. I'd happily smoke a bowl with them. :peace:

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2010, 07:36 PM
Don't you think for a minute that you'd be doing the same thing if you were in their shoes? Think about it. If Canada didn't give a rats azz about people walking over the border, living cheap, getting jobs, not paying taxes, getting medical help and a free education for their kids, and being able to send $ back to my family in Wyoming? Don't you think I'd do that? Hells yah, that's what I'm talkn 'bout...

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 10:26 PM
You are one ****ed up "christian".

:-*

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 10:51 PM
Funny white people are racist but a group called "The Race" is perfectly ok.

****ing idiots.

:Broncos:

This guy teaches at my alma mater, and was the first speaker in that video:
http://libraries.uta.edu/tejanovoices/gutierrez.asp

I had no idea he was there. Unbelievable.

broncocalijohn
05-12-2010, 12:31 AM
To reiterate a point I brought up earlier that this is problem of bigotry and nothing more, take a gander at Roger Ebert's take, especially the following:

"I invite you to perform four easy thought experiments:

1. You and four friends are in Boston and attend the St. Patrick's Day parade wearing matching Union Jack t-shirts, which of course you have every right to do.

2. You and your pals are in Chicago on Pulaski Day, and wear a t-shirt with a photograph of Joseph Stalin, which is your right.

3. In San Francisco's Chinatown for the parade, your crowd wears t-shirts saying "My granddad was at the Rape of Nanking and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

4. In Chicago for the Bud Billiken Parade, you and your crowd, back in shape after three hospitalizations, turn up with matching t-shirts sporting the Confederate flag."

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100509/OPINION/100509974

hey moron, those points have nothing to do with USA flags. Maybe you would have a valid point if we went to the one state in Mexico with a shirt of France on our body during cinco de mayo. These kids were at school in America and other students celebrating a "holiday" from another country. Now please tell Ebert to shut the **** up and you can figure out common sense too since you believed the dribble Ebert posted.

Killericon
05-12-2010, 12:35 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2556/3718356547_c0065dd78c.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
05-12-2010, 12:40 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2556/3718356547_c0065dd78c.jpg

You certainly would know what "fail" tastes like, but I think your senses are off on this one.

broncocalijohn
05-12-2010, 12:41 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2556/3718356547_c0065dd78c.jpg

Killercon, we are sending those legal and illegal Mexicans over to Halifax and Calgary so you can deal with this problem. No way they will learn french though.

Killericon
05-12-2010, 12:42 AM
You certainly would know what "fail" tastes like, but I think your senses are off on this one.

Aw, I love you too.

I just went to this most recent page. It's pretty ugly, dude.

epicSocialism4tw
05-12-2010, 12:43 AM
Aw, I love you too.

I just went to this most recent page. It's pretty ugly, dude.

Its an ugly topic.

Killericon
05-12-2010, 12:43 AM
Killercon, we are sending those legal and illegal Mexicans over to Halifax and Calgary so you can deal with this problem. No way they will learn french though.

They have been coming up here! No jokes. At least to Calgary. McDonald's shipped a bunch up back during the worker's shortage heydey a few years back.

Anyways, I was more commenting on the quality of discussion, not the topic. I mean, Roger Ebert? That's some pretty lame trash talk.

epicSocialism4tw
05-12-2010, 12:46 AM
They have been coming up here! No jokes. At least to Calgary. McDonald's shipped a bunch up back during the worker's shortage heydey a few years back.

Anyways, I was more commenting on the quality of discussion, not the topic. I mean, Roger Ebert? That's some pretty lame trash talk.

Ha!

Hey, I wasnt the guy who quoted the Great Lesbian Librarian for emphasis.

When Ebert is evoked, one must respond for the salvation of humanity.

Killericon
05-12-2010, 12:48 AM
Ha!

Hey, I wasnt the guy who quoted the Great Lesbian Librarian for emphasis.

When Ebert is evoked, one must respond for the salvation of humanity.

I think you mean INvoked.

http://www.rocknrolltasmania.com.au/images/WEB%20DESIGNS/LARGE%20IMAGES/PNG%20pictures/blowkisswink.png

*escapes*

epicSocialism4tw
05-12-2010, 12:50 AM
I think you mean INvoked.

*escapes*

Nah, I meant evoke, but INvoke works too...in a little bit different way.

I had forgotten about Ebert.

Requiem
05-12-2010, 08:14 AM
It's pretty sad that instead of identifying that, you're finding ways to agree with them? You and your ilk would rather spotlight some old folk at Tea Party rally's as the problem and turn a blindeye to this crap.

I didn't watch the video or agree with anything at all. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I was just willing to wager that down the line, there are going to be ideas placed in the heads of your children by yourself or other people who are going to have much more different, perhaps even greater significance in their life.

Rohirrim
05-12-2010, 08:37 AM
Oh, BTW. For those who earlier in this thread tried to compare this invasion to Irish immigration; Between 1820 to the present, it is estimated that no more than 7 million immigrants have come from Ireland, legal and illegal. Probably less than that. http://library.thinkquest.org/20619/Irish.html

A high end estimate of the number of illegal aliens coming into the U.S. illegally, from Mexiso, is 3.5 million per year. http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/archive/2008/04/10/number-of-illigral-immigrants-in-u-s-may-be-closer-to-20-million.aspx That means they would surpass the Irish's 7 million immigrants over a span of almost 200 years in no more than 3 years. In fact, they far exceed that number every decade, and have been doing so for the last forty years without interruption.

It's a giant social experiment. Isn't this how the Goths bankrupted Rome? ;D

Killericon
05-12-2010, 09:53 AM
Oh, BTW. For those who earlier in this thread tried to compare this invasion to Irish immigration; Between 1820 to the present, it is estimated that no more than 7 million immigrants have come from Ireland, legal and illegal. Probably less than that. http://library.thinkquest.org/20619/Irish.html

A high end estimate of the number of illegal aliens coming into the U.S. illegally, from Mexiso, is 3.5 million per year. http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news/archive/2008/04/10/number-of-illigral-immigrants-in-u-s-may-be-closer-to-20-million.aspx That means they would surpass the Irish's 7 million immigrants over a span of almost 200 years in no more than 3 years. In fact, they far exceed that number every decade, and have been doing so for the last forty years without interruption.

It's a giant social experiment. Isn't this how the Goths bankrupted Rome? ;D

In 1820, the total population of the US was less than 10 million. The numbers aren't really comparable.

Rohirrim
05-12-2010, 10:39 AM
In 1820, the total population of the US was less than 10 million. The numbers aren't really comparable.

Yes, but that's not the point. Many who favor the invasion from Mexico like to try to argue that the numbers are comparable to European immigration. They are not even close. The point is not that during 1820... , it is since 1820... The numbers from Mexico are ten times more than the European immigration totals, but over 10% of the time period, ie, an invasion. Or if you prefer milder language, a migration.

broncocalijohn
05-12-2010, 02:49 PM
Yes, but that's not the point. Many who favor the invasion from Mexico like to try to argue that the numbers are comparable to European immigration. They are not even close. The point is not that during 1820... , it is since 1820... The numbers from Mexico are ten times more than the European immigration totals, but over 10% of the time period, ie, an invasion. Or if you prefer milder language, a migration.

Not only is the comparison right on since it has been from almost 200 years, the other differences is that Irish came over when the country was booming west. West used to mean St. Louis but that has been erased for years. We arent using the outside labor to build the railroad tracks and blowing up mountain sides to clear away rocks for roads and railroads. Those immigrants also came through Ellis Island and were turned back based on things like diseases. These immigrants are illegal and we have no idea what diseases they carry or if they are a criminal.