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p7superfly
05-06-2010, 08:18 AM
This comes from one of my buddies who knows some people in the new FO.

Apparently within a month.

It would make sense, but scare the hell out of me. Our only proven starter?

My friend isn't a Broncos fan, so he didn't really care. I, as all Broncos fans do, started panicking. He's been right on minor stuff before. I guess they're talking about Orton like he's already gone.

We can't keep 4 QB's. Tim needs reps, too.

Rabb
05-06-2010, 08:19 AM
oh God

Paladin
05-06-2010, 08:25 AM
This would be a mistake. A terrible mistake. I hope your friend is terribly mistaken. In fact, I hope your firend recants and says this is a late April Fools' joke. Some "friends" are like that. Particularly those who do not swear allegiance to the Broncos.....

I think with Orton, the Broncso could have a very good year. I refuse to hear this.



LALALALALALALALALA........ I Can't hear you.......

NeverBeenToDenver
05-06-2010, 08:26 AM
Brady Quinn will start in Jax. Book it.

TheChamp24
05-06-2010, 08:26 AM
I heard waiting for the lightrail here in Houston that they are looking to shop Andre Johnson because of the injury concerns and they want to get a pick, another WR and possibly a defensive back in the deal for him.
Heard Denver was one team rumoured to be inquiring, possibly our 1st next year, Royal and Hill for Johnson?

meangene
05-06-2010, 08:26 AM
If Quinn looks really good in preseason and, basically, beats out Orton, I could see this happening. But not real soon - too risky. Plus, we may be able to get more for Orton if other team's QB's struggle in preseason or get injured.

Popps
05-06-2010, 08:28 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2066/2125184110_fed7862fb1.jpg

The Joker
05-06-2010, 08:29 AM
Wonder what his trade value is...

Depends on what they think of Quinn I guess. If they feel he can start and at least equal what Orton gave us last year, it would make sense to move Kyle on now because clearly we arent going to be giving him a long term deal.

Has Kyle actually said anything publicly since we drafted Tebow?

Popps
05-06-2010, 08:30 AM
Brady Quinn will start in Jax. Book it.

In the last two years, I've learned not to discount anything with this team.

Could happen, and hell.. maybe it would be a good thing.

Losing Orton would be silly, though.

TheReverend
05-06-2010, 08:31 AM
Against this. Let him fight.

Unless value is good.

TheReverend
05-06-2010, 08:31 AM
This comes from one of my buddies who knows some people in the new FO.

Apparently within a month.

It would make sense, but scare the hell out of me. Our only proven starter?

My friend isn't a Broncos fan, so he didn't really care. I, as all Broncos fans do, started panicking. He's been right on minor stuff before. I guess they're talking about Orton like he's already gone.

We can't keep 4 QB's. Tim needs reps, too.

http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad80/sdexperience/erkle1.gif

colonelbeef
05-06-2010, 08:33 AM
McDaniels has made plenty of QB personnel mistakes so far, wouldn't surprise me in the least.

tsiguy96
05-06-2010, 08:33 AM
do it! we can use a good shakeup in bronco land.

pink_feet
05-06-2010, 08:34 AM
I heard waiting for the lightrail here in Houston that they are looking to shop Andre Johnson because of the injury concerns and they want to get a pick, another WR and possibly a defensive back in the deal for him.
Heard Denver was one team rumoured to be inquiring, possibly our 1st next year, Royal and Hill for Johnson?

Injury concerns? I know he had one injury, but the guy is the best WR in the league. A beast.

More likely cost 2 #1 picks.

Guy had back to back 1,500 yard seasons. He makes that offense go. Schaub would be pissed.

Rabb
05-06-2010, 08:35 AM
no offense to the OP but threads like this just piss me off

Los Broncos
05-06-2010, 08:36 AM
I heard on the lightrail that were trading Tebow, just saying.

mizzoutigers
05-06-2010, 08:36 AM
do it! we can use a good shakeup in bronco land.

been a while since we had one

spdirty
05-06-2010, 08:39 AM
Please be true.

RaiderH8r
05-06-2010, 08:41 AM
I heard on Thomas the Tank Engine in Baltimore that Joe Flacco can be a doody head and Ray Lewis' nickname is Stabby McStabsalot.

Irish Stout
05-06-2010, 08:42 AM
been a while since we had one

Yeah its been over 78 hours since the last shake up. I'm going through shake up withdrawals.

however, don't mean to rebut the OP, but my dad once rode in an elevator with John Elway and my dad now thinks that Kyle Orton is going to be slapped with the franchise tag and will be our starting QB this year to raise his value, and hes probably right, cause he rode in an elevator with John Elway. My dad also rides the light rail.

Dedhed
05-06-2010, 08:42 AM
If Quinn looks really good in preseason and, basically, beats out Orton, I could see this happening. But not real soon - too risky. Plus, we may be able to get more for Orton if other team's QB's struggle in preseason or get injured.

I agree with this. Unless some team came calling with a first rounder or some other stupid compensation, getting rid of him now wouldn't make sense.

p7superfly
05-06-2010, 08:42 AM
And I hate rumor starters too. My friend isn't of the personality type to say this to jack with me. He was my college roommate. He lives in the tech center, and goes drinking with these guys quite a bit. Occasionally, after drinks have been flowing, they get a little freer with information.

I don't want to rely on the young QB's.

TonyR
05-06-2010, 08:43 AM
This comes from one of my buddies who knows some people in the new FO.

You might be totally on the up and up with this, no way for me to know, but why haven't you given up scoop prior to this? Or have you and I missed it?

lostknight
05-06-2010, 08:44 AM
Given McDaniel's ability to make horrific choices (Getting rid of Nolan, the trades, etc), it would not surprise me. Even as a fan of what Tebow could be, I think that it's too soon for it, but if we are going to have a rebuilding year, go ahead and call it a rebuilding year.

LittleFloyd
05-06-2010, 08:44 AM
I'm calling this BS!

Pool
05-06-2010, 08:45 AM
So it'll be Quinn competing with Tebow for McD's crotch.

p7superfly
05-06-2010, 08:46 AM
And I hate rumor starters too. My friend isn't of the personality type to say this to jack with me. He was my college roommate. He lives in the tech center, and goes drinking with these guys quite a bit. Occasionally, after drinks have been flowing, they get a little freer with information.

I don't want to rely on the young QB's. McDaniels is effing crazy, though. These next few years are either going to be awesome, or an absolute train wreck. Either way, it'll be entertaining to watch.

Rabb
05-06-2010, 08:46 AM
I don't doubt any of what you are saying relationship wise but the move just makes no sense to me personally

I like our young guys and all but it just seems unwise to dump Orton right now...the only plausible thing could be that a team has already come a' calling and is offering something nice (Buffalo, Jacksonville, etc)

people can hate on the guy, but this would be a mistake IMO, unless someone just grossly overpays for him

TheReverend
05-06-2010, 08:50 AM
well... p7superfly doesn't have a history of posting rumor threads, so that's something?

Denver724
05-06-2010, 08:51 AM
Wonder what his trade value is...

Depends on what they think of Quinn I guess. If they feel he can start and at least equal what Orton gave us last year, it would make sense to move Kyle on now because clearly we arent going to be giving him a long term deal.

Has Kyle actually said anything publicly since we drafted Tebow?

I was watching "Path to the Draft" last week on NFL Network. They talked about us trading next year's 5th for two 7th's in 2010. Lombardi said when teams do this they normally have a plan to get the pick back (trade someone on the roster). I bet we get a 5th (or maybe a 4th) for Orton.

TonyR
05-06-2010, 08:52 AM
Given McDaniel's ability to make horrific choices (Getting rid of Nolan, the trades, etc), it would not surprise me.

Are we sure that Nolan's exit was a McDaniel's decision? Might have been Nolan's decision, right?

gunns
05-06-2010, 08:54 AM
Wouldn't bother me in the least. Seems to me Orton and Quinn are interchangeable as far as "occassional talent". I love the "only PROVEN QB" lament. Proven what? I just wonder who's going to dislodge Orton's cement feet to get him out of town.

ColoradoBuff
05-06-2010, 08:56 AM
send Orton a packin! This is Tebow's team biatches!

Paladin
05-06-2010, 08:56 AM
Tony, you are challenging his delusions......

Traveler
05-06-2010, 09:00 AM
We are still rebuilding anyway. So if the rumor is true, why not try to move Orton?

Keeping Orton under center this year and then letting him walk after the season makes no sense. If they aren't fully prepared to commit to Orton long term, keeping him for another would be a delayed setback on offense IMO.

Why wait another year? Quinn can get a year under his belt. I'd wouldn't mind Quinn being our starter this season. Let Branstater and Tebow duke it out for 2nd/3rd string QB.

Taco John
05-06-2010, 09:00 AM
If Quinn looks really good in preseason and, basically, beats out Orton, I could see this happening. But not real soon - too risky. Plus, we may be able to get more for Orton if other team's QB's struggle in preseason or get injured.


Too risky? What are you talking about. There's no such thing as too risky when you're Josh McDaniels. Nothing would suprise me. Nothing.

Pseudofool
05-06-2010, 09:04 AM
If they can get fair value or even get someone to overpay for Orton, it's the sensible choice. From a GM perspective the QB you trade is Orton because of the contract. The team started 6-0 with a new QB under center last year, I don't think there's going to be a panic-worthy drop off from Orton to Quinn or to Tebow....

Rabb
05-06-2010, 09:06 AM
So Quinn is equal to Orton?

Maybe he is more talented, but the fact is that nobody can say that with any sort of proof. I am not an Orton fanboy, but if anyone thinks we can just take out a guy that played well last year (and was not our issue btw) and plug in either...

a) a guy that has a lot of promise but hasn't actually proven anything yet
b) a rookie that has a lot of promise, but hasn't actually proven it in the NFL yet
c) a 2nd year guy that couldn't beat out Chris Simms....CHRIS SIMMS!

then I guess I got nothing

if we are all for just rolling the dice and taking whatever comes to us with a situation like that, then all aboard I guess...I am just saying, it is asinine to even suggest that somehow Orton isn't the clear starter right now

but hey, go Broncos...I don't really care as long as we win

Tombstone RJ
05-06-2010, 09:07 AM
Too risky? What are you talking about. There's no such thing as too risky when you're Josh McDaniels. Nothing would suprise me. Nothing.

Actually, I think McD has been pretty rock solid in all his moves. It's only risky for the faint of heart. That is, fans with no cojones.

ScottXray
05-06-2010, 09:10 AM
I have to believe this is BS.

1. Orton is only on a one year tender. New team will not give up much
unless they can get a long term player. Contract talks would have to
take place first.

2. Orton is a known quantity and is our starter, until someone beats him out. TC is the only place that can happen and game play is always the place you look to see what real performance is. The other team would have to offer us a #1, and or more, for McD to take a chance without
having seen TT,TB or Quinn in game situations (which means Pre-season at least). Even McD can see that he has a limited time to put a winner on the field, and this jeapordises that.

While McD might feel he has some tradeable players and he may want to recoup some of the draft picks he has spent, most teams are waiting to see what they can pick up off the cuts before dealing away picks. If this was going to happen it would have happened before or during the draft, or after camps and preseason are going on..

TheChamp24
05-06-2010, 09:14 AM
I got it.
This is fantastic.
We trade for Steve Hutchinson, and we send Kyle Orton and a 5th round pick to "sweeten the deal".

jhns
05-06-2010, 09:18 AM
I may just have to throw a party in McDs honor if this happens. That will come right after I bump all of those threads about Ortons performance. It will be good times.

Cleo McDowell
05-06-2010, 09:22 AM
I've heard this also. But my sources tell me he's moving to myrtle beach. His GF said she knows a recruiter who will get him a good quarterbacking job.

Sodak
05-06-2010, 09:23 AM
Good. Mediocre is mediocre. Let him go. I'd rather keep the space for the other three with more upside/blue sky.

We know what Orton can do, and he's pretty lame. I think McDaniels want to at least have the option to throw downfield once in a while.

Tombstone RJ
05-06-2010, 09:25 AM
I've heard this also. But my sources tell me he's moving to myrtle beach. His GF said she knows a recruiter who will get him a good quarterbacking job.

Hilarious!

I'm suprised said girlfriend allows said boyfriend to post...

Mr.Meanie
05-06-2010, 09:29 AM
Given McDaniel's ability to make horrific choices (Getting rid of Nolan, the trades, etc), it would not surprise me. Even as a fan of what Tebow could be, I think that it's too soon for it, but if we are going to have a rebuilding year, go ahead and call it a rebuilding year.

for reals?

bronco militia
05-06-2010, 09:31 AM
Sweet!

TheDave
05-06-2010, 09:31 AM
As much as I'm not a big KO fan... Going into the season with BQ, T2, and "Brandy" as our potential starters would scare the hell out of me.

Rohirrim
05-06-2010, 09:33 AM
If McD got rid of Orton before camp it would have to do with some kind of personality conflict, or locker room problem, and not play on the field.

Rohirrim
05-06-2010, 09:34 AM
I've heard this also. But my sources tell me he's moving to myrtle beach. His GF said she knows a recruiter who will get him a good quarterbacking job.

Hilarious!

pokenation
05-06-2010, 09:35 AM
for all of you that have replied with "no way this happens, he's the only qb with experience on the team", or , " BS no way this happens we only have so and so to start next season" seem to forget we already traded a PRO-BOWL QB. why would u think an average starter is exempt?

come on.....this might be lightrail BS, but at least us your head when responding. seriously???? u really think josh is going to keep an average QB if he thinks we have better?

remember, its not who YOU think is better at that position, it who josh thinks is better! :peace:

RhymesayersDU
05-06-2010, 09:37 AM
I've heard this also. But my sources tell me he's moving to myrtle beach. His GF said she knows a recruiter who will get him a good quarterbacking job.

/thread

Anyways I hope the rumor is true. Orton sucks.

jutang
05-06-2010, 09:38 AM
This would make no sense unless McDaniels senses that Orton's knowledge and execution from yr one in his system to yr two is just not progressing... or there was some behind the scenes fall out after Tebow was drafted and the Broncos will let Orton go early to give him the best chance to become a starting QB somewhere else in the league.

theAPAOps5
05-06-2010, 09:38 AM
I just drove by Dove Valley. There was a Prius with a U-Haul trailer attached.....

Just sayin

TheDave
05-06-2010, 09:39 AM
I just drove by Dove Valley. There was a Prius with a U-Haul trailer attached.....

Just sayin

Plummer is in town?

Kaylore
05-06-2010, 09:41 AM
I heard on Thomas the Tank Engine in Baltimore that Joe Flacco can be a doody head and Ray Lewis' nickname is Stabby McStabsalot.

Sir Topham Hatt was cross!
http://www.emphatic.com/bobg/sir-topham-hatt.jpg

bfoflcommish
05-06-2010, 09:43 AM
Brady Quinn will start in Jax. Book it.

yeah but for which team? :wiggle:

theAPAOps5
05-06-2010, 09:43 AM
Plummer is in town?

Orton drives a Prius. Plummer drives one of those Honda box things.

NFLBRONCO
05-06-2010, 09:49 AM
If this is true omg we might get rid of Orton when everyone on the planet saw writing on wall draft night. Might as well get the new era started now. This team isn't going anywhere this year. Let Orton start over again in a new city. Everyone acts like we would be trading a great qb he isn't big deal. I think it would benefit Denver to make this move.

For those who don't see it fine you could be right but, I bet you never expected Cutler BM and Nolan gone already either so trading Orton is highly possible anytime.

montrose
05-06-2010, 09:49 AM
Tebow & Quinn fear Orton

Orton > You

KO FTW

Kaylore
05-06-2010, 09:50 AM
Too risky? What are you talking about. There's no such thing as too risky when you're Josh McDaniels. Nothing would suprise me. Nothing.

This is really where everyone should be. It might suck, it might be awesome, it probably will have a lot of both. This is McDaniels' era. Hold on to your ****ing seats.

24champ
05-06-2010, 09:51 AM
Wonder if the aliens approve of this potential move?

Rohirrim
05-06-2010, 09:52 AM
This is really where everyone should be. It might suck, it might be awesome, it probably will have a lot of both. This is McDaniels' era. Hold on to your ****ing seats.

No kidding. McD is like Billy the Kid. When in doubt, whip out the pistoles and start blasting away.

Rabb
05-06-2010, 09:54 AM
This is really where everyone should be. It might suck, it might be awesome, it probably will have a lot of both. This is McDaniels' era. Hold on to your ****ing seats.

I suppose you are right man, good or bad

RaiderH8r
05-06-2010, 10:00 AM
Sir Topham Hatt was cross!
http://www.emphatic.com/bobg/sir-topham-hatt.jpg

Kyle Orton's constant checkdowns have caused confusion and delay.

Seriously though, took my son to see Thomas in B-more. Rode the Thomas train...had a police escort...at 10 am. F'ing B-more. Our window had a bullet hole in it. F'ing B-more. Stopped at a convenience store afterwards to get some water and had to be buzzed in. F'ing B-more. It's a hole.

i4jelway7
05-06-2010, 10:01 AM
this is going to happen.. Orton is a goner probably a lot sooner than later.. Quinn has showed enough to Mcd to make Orton expendable... see ya concrete feet, love your attitude and willingness to learn but your inability to make a play when the play breaks down is why you are not a starting caliber QB

Jason in LA
05-06-2010, 10:03 AM
I'm all for it. Orton has average written all over him. Quinn might not work out, but if he lives up to his potential then he'll be a whole lot better than Orton. What's the point of sticking with a guy who you know isn't going to get the job done at a high level?

ScottXray
05-06-2010, 10:04 AM
for all of you that have replied with "no way this happens, he's the only qb with experience on the team", or , " BS no way this happens we only have so and so to start next season" seem to forget we already traded a PRO-BOWL QB. why would u think an average starter is exempt?

come on.....this might be lightrail BS, but at least us your head when responding. seriously???? u really think josh is going to keep an average QB if he thinks we have better?

remember, its not who YOU think is better at that position, it who josh thinks is better! :peace:

McD and Bowlen got rid a wahhhbaby QB (not pro bowl deserving) that was being a problem and distraction to the team, and who wouldn't answer calls from either.

Orton has continued to be a TEAM player, signed his tender and came in to workouts after the RFA period expired, etc. In short not only not a problem, but doing all the RIGHT things. This player is the only one that has actually played a season for McD, and is a KNOWN asset. The others may be possible upgrades but are not known quantities. It would be foolish
of McD to trade Orton, no matter what he THINKS he might have, until he sees what the other QBs actually do in game situations under his system.

So, there is no reason that McD would trade Orton , unless ORTON asked for it. While that may be the case, it is not Ortons MO to make demands or take it to the press. And I firmly believe, that McD would definitely try to talk Orton into staying and playing this year, and would not just give Orton up for little compensation.

Broncofan_H
05-06-2010, 10:06 AM
You guys with the Thomas references are cracking me up. Having 3 boys, I've survived Thomas obsession 3 times (well, we're still going through it now).

As for this Orton business, I really hope it isn't true. Lets just let them battle it out in camp and see what happens. I have a feeling that is what McDaniels will do, but as Taco said earlier you never know.

Taco John
05-06-2010, 10:08 AM
Actually, I think McD has been pretty rock solid in all his moves. It's only risky for the faint of heart. That is, fans with no cojones.

Whatever you think of his moves, McDaniels is anything but risk averse.

Hamrob
05-06-2010, 10:11 AM
What do you think it would take? Our 1st next year...to some team...for themt to take Orton off our hands?

Please, please...get rid of the bum. He looked good because of the dink and dunk. He did nothing to create plays on his own. That's what's missing. If McDaniels ships Orton off...I'll be a fan of his going forward!

gunns
05-06-2010, 10:11 AM
I have to believe this is BS.

1. Orton is only on a one year tender. New team will not give up much
unless they can get a long term player. Contract talks would have to
take place first.

2. Orton is a known quantity and is our starter, until someone beats him out. TC is the only place that can happen and game play is always the place you look to see what real performance is. The other team would have to offer us a #1, and or more, for McD to take a chance without
having seen TT,TB or Quinn in game situations (which means Pre-season at least). Even McD can see that he has a limited time to put a winner on the field, and this jeapordises that.

While McD might feel he has some tradeable players and he may want to recoup some of the draft picks he has spent, most teams are waiting to see what they can pick up off the cuts before dealing away picks. If this was going to happen it would have happened before or during the draft, or after camps and preseason are going on..

1. Nobody said it was true and nobody said it was happening in an hour.

2. Yes Orton is a known quantity which is why a lot of us have no problem with this. You're right he hasn't seen Quinn or the others in action yet, but he has seen Orton. And yes he has limited time to put a winner on the field, and having Orton as starter jeopardizes that, having the others possibly start is an unknown quantity. Right now I've seen the known quantity and have as much fear going with the known quantity as I do with the unknown quantity.

Jason in LA
05-06-2010, 10:16 AM
Orton has continued to be a TEAM player, signed his tender and came in to workouts after the RFA period expired, etc. In short not only not a problem, but doing all the RIGHT things. This player is the only one that has actually played a season for McD, and is a KNOWN asset. The others may be possible upgrades but are not known quantities.

I agree, but I still say get rid of Orton. He's a good guy and all. Hard worker. But that doesn't keep a player around. The player has to produce. Orton isn't bad, but he isn't good either. He's just average, and average doesn't cut it. So there is no point in continuing with him when another guy may be better. I rather take the risk on a guy who may be really good over a guy that is and always will be average. I don't see taking a chance on Quinn as being a high risk. He's not going to be worse than Orton.

UberBroncoMan
05-06-2010, 10:20 AM
Injury concerns? I know he had one injury, but the guy is the best WR in the league. A beast.

More likely cost 2 #1 picks.

Guy had back to back 1,500 yard seasons. He makes that offense go. Schaub would be pissed.

He's older than Marshall, and has never had 3 years strait of 100 receptions. He's also never hit double digit TD's (10+) in a season.

He's an amazing WR, but no way in hell is he worth a QB (Cutler). Two 2nd round picks is all he's worth if that's all Marshall was.

Mr.Meanie
05-06-2010, 10:20 AM
If McDaniels ships Orton off...I'll be a fan of his going forward!

I'm sure that's just the confirmation he was waiting for. "Hamrob" on www.orangemane.com/BB will be a fan going forward, so let's make this deal happen!

pokenation
05-06-2010, 10:22 AM
McD and Bowlen got rid a wahhhbaby QB (not pro bowl deserving) that was being a problem and distraction to the team, and who wouldn't answer calls from either.

--note: i did not say he was deserving. just said he was a pro bowl qb. just the facts.

Orton has continued to be a TEAM player, signed his tender and came in to workouts after the RFA period expired, etc. In short not only not a problem, but doing all the RIGHT things. This player is the only one that has actually played a season for McD, and is a KNOWN asset. The others may be possible upgrades but are not known quantities. It would be foolish
of McD to trade Orton, no matter what he THINKS he might have, until he sees what the other QBs actually do in game situations under his system.

--note: so was orton a KNOWN asset when we let cutler go and brought him in? nope. so this point is mute because josh has a history of going with a qb that is new to the system.


So, there is no reason that McD would trade Orton , unless ORTON asked for it. While that may be the case, it is not Ortons MO to make demands or take it to the press. And I firmly believe, that McD would definitely try to talk Orton into staying and playing this year, and would not just give Orton up for little compensation.

-- note: you said there is no reason for letting orton go.... is this something you know or are just guessing about? IF he is traded then there was a reason (whatever it might be), if he is not then this whole thread is for not.

--note: you said you strongly believe.....welp we all strongly believe things in the world might happen, but that is not always what happens.

so, you use my post to rebute the facts that i wrote with assumptions and your beliefs???? welcome to the mane, where the ugly truths are covered up by our beliefs and assumptions.

ps i only used bold type to distinguish between your post and mine. :kiss:

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 10:22 AM
I was watching "Path to the Draft" last week on NFL Network. They talked about us trading next year's 5th for two 7th's in 2010. Lombardi said when teams do this they normally have a plan to get the pick back (trade someone on the roster). I bet we get a 5th (or maybe a 4th) for Orton.

A fifth for Orton? Insanity.

They could keep him this year for the pennies they're currently paying him, simply let him go after the season and probably get a 3rd round comp pick for him. There is ZERO reason to settle for a 5th rounder or its equivalent.

Never underestimate the value of a starter in their contract year. The odds of a starter tanking in their contract year have to be less than 1%, while the odds of them having a career year have to be over 50%.

uplink
05-06-2010, 10:23 AM
seem to forget we already traded a PRO-BOWL QB. why would u think an average starter is exempt?

Could be McD has a fetish for trading away the teams starting QB every year.

Really I do agree with your point, if he isn't happy with the QB, he has shown the willingness to trade and start new.

meangene
05-06-2010, 10:26 AM
This is really where everyone should be. It might suck, it might be awesome, it probably will have a lot of both. This is McDaniels' era. Hold on to your ****ing seats.

True that! I, for one, love it! The offseasons have never been so entertaining! Love him or hate him, the guy is willing to put it on the line.

Elway's Pigeon Toes
05-06-2010, 10:27 AM
If Quinn takes over 30% of the snaps this year (or something like that) he is owed somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 million. If not he gets closer to $500K. They aren't just going to hand it over to him like that. If he clearly beats out Orton and represents the Broncos best chance at success then he'll play, but with that contract absolutely nothing will just be handed to him.

uplink
05-06-2010, 10:28 AM
love your attitude and willingness to learn but your inability to make a play when the play breaks down is why you are not a starting caliber QB

yeah, i guess that is his biggest weakness.

UberBroncoMan
05-06-2010, 10:28 AM
I have no clue why people think this is crazy to get rid of our proven starter at QB when McDaniels has had no issues getting rid of Pro Bowl players, trading the 14th pick in the 2010 draft for Alphonso Smith etc.

Does anyone here honestly thing Orton is the QBOTF for this team? If not, why drag him along for no reason. He'll be in camp to fight his ass off and I doubt he makes it far. McDaniels always wanted Quinn but the price was too high. Orton is like a baby giraffe when he's running around. Brandstater was a personal draft pick, as was Tebow. Quinn is who he originally wanted. He's got his 3 QB's.

I think the only way he's gone before camp though is if we get a good trade offer. Those saying that teams wouldn't want him due to the one year tender need to think about the big picture too. Orton would stay with whatever team traded for him if they gave him a multiyear deal, and I doubt it would be that much money. Less than Matt Cassel for sure.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 10:30 AM
I don't see taking a chance on Quinn as being a high risk. He's not going to be worse than Orton.

Quinn's best game last year came against Detroit and their 32nd ranked defense.
His best game the year before came against Denver and their pathetic defense.
The rest of his appearances have been largely busts.

His last game this past year? Against KC he went a whole 10-17 for 66 yds, O TDs and 2 INTs. And people are giving Orton crap about his outing against them.

yerner
05-06-2010, 10:35 AM
This would be great. I don't want to watch Orton play anymore. Problem is, who would want him?

summerdenver
05-06-2010, 10:36 AM
Orton deserves a chance to prove what he can do in his second year with the system. Even if he can't beat out Quinn or Teabow, he will be good (and cheap) backup. I don't believe this.

Jason in LA
05-06-2010, 10:38 AM
Quinn's best game last year came against Detroit and their 32nd ranked defense.
His best game the year before came against Denver and their pathetic defense.
The rest of his appearances have been largely busts.

His last game this past year? Against KC he went a whole 10-17 for 66 yds, O TDs and 2 INTs. And people are giving Orton crap about his outing against them.

You're right... but he was playing for the Browns. I'm just saying. ;D

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 10:39 AM
This would be great. I don't want to watch Orton play anymore. Problem is, who would want him?

You're right. I can't think of any team that might want a QB that just threw for 3,800 yds and had a nearly 2:1 TD to INT ratio.....while playing over half the season with significant hand and foot injuries, in his first year with a new team, in a new system, behind a patchwork OLine and spotty at best run support.

mizzoutigers
05-06-2010, 10:40 AM
well regardless what comes of this, keep getting info from your friend

yerner
05-06-2010, 10:48 AM
You're right. I can't think of any team that might want a QB that just threw for 3,800 yds and had a nearly 2:1 TD to INT ratio.....while playing over half the season with significant hand and foot injuries, in his first year with a new team, in a new system, behind a patchwork OLine and spotty at best run support.

Lighten up, Francis. I'm just not a fan of Orton the player. And since you are, tell the teams that would seriously consider Orton. I can't think of a place he fits.

jhns
05-06-2010, 10:48 AM
You're right. I can't think of any team that might want a QB that just threw for 3,800 yds and had a nearly 2:1 TD to INT ratio.....while playing over half the season with significant hand and foot injuries, in his first year with a new team, in a new system, behind a patchwork OLine and spotty at best run support.

Even McDaniels doesn't agree with you about Orton. Even without a trade, he traded for another QB and drafted a first rounder. That is not a ringing endorsement. Orton is not a good QB. He did not lead a good offense. His play made his coach search for a replacement, yet again.

His numbers are a product of the system and the players around him. If you opened your eyes, you would have seen how much he struggles and how little he looks down field. He is not a QB that will lead a productive offense. He is a game manager that a defensive team may want.

SoDak Bronco
05-06-2010, 10:49 AM
Tom Brandstater will be the most seasoned QB in the fold(in McD's system)..Could Josina's tipster be on to something about him being the best QB??

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 10:53 AM
Even McDaniels doesn't agree with you about Orton.

Actually, he does.

Both of us view him as the #1 QB today. Both of us view him as being in competition for the #1 QB job this season. Both of us seem to view him as the stop-gap until Tebow is ready.


Even without a trade, he traded for another QB and drafted a first rounder. That is not a ringing endorsement.

All I'm saying is that Orton has earned exactly what he's getting right now. The inside track at the #1 position going into camp this year. I have never said anything about him being the long term solution, but keep pretending I have. I know you struggle at reading comprehension.

He is a game manager that a defensive team may want.

Probably the first thing you've ever written that I agree with.

kamakazi_kal
05-06-2010, 10:55 AM
This would be great. I don't want to watch Orton play anymore. Problem is, who would want him?

This.

PRBronco
05-06-2010, 10:57 AM
As long as they don't find out about Kingneckbeard, I bet Pittsburgh would kill to have Orton.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 10:57 AM
Lighten up, Francis. I'm just not a fan of Orton the player. And since you are, tell the teams that would seriously consider Orton. I can't think of a place he fits.

To compete at starter? AZ, Seattle, Carolina, Buffalo, Cleveland are the obvious favorites. He'd also be an upgrade at #2 QB in pretty much any city, and wouldn't demand a ridiculous contract. Hell, half the #2s in the league made more than Orton made last year or will make this year.

SouthStndJunkie
05-06-2010, 11:06 AM
People need to remember that Josh was fine with having 3 QBs new to this offense last year, so I don't see why he would be afraid to go with Brady Quinn this year.

I am fine with kicking Orton to the curb....he is average and always will be.

If Josh thinks Quinn can take the job this year, why waste the first team reps on Orton?

Josh will have a lot more options in the playbook with Brady Quinn in there, as he is a lot more mobile and athletic than Orton is.

That said, I will be surprised if it happens this soon, as I would think Josh would want to see what Quinn looks like in training camp or the preseason first....or maybe he plans on starting Tebow a lot earlier than any of us expect him to.

Nothing Josh decides to do would surprise me at this point.

jhns
05-06-2010, 11:07 AM
All I'm saying is that Orton has earned exactly what he's getting right now. The inside track at the #1 position going into camp this year. I have never said anything about him being the long term solution, but keep pretending I have. I know you struggle at reading comprehension.


That is the thing, he hasn't earned that. If he was playing well enough to earn the starting position, or inside track to the starting position, there would be no need to look for a replacement. It isn't like he is old. If his play even showed potential to be good, we would not be bringing in his replacement. You have constantly argued with me that Orton has played good here. There are multiple moves this offseason that say you are wrong in McDaniels eyes.

If he is traded, McD certainly doesn't agree with any part of what you are saying. I do like your new spin though. I will be bumping some of our Orton arguments anyway. I have a few that I remember that will be funny to go over today. They talked about how I could really be siding with McDaniels about Ortons play and how that will be proven if he trades for a replacement or drafts a first rounder. I will do that later though. My search feature isn't working on the BlackBerry.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 11:11 AM
That is the thing, he hasn't earned that. If he was playing well enough to earn the starting position, or inside track to the starting position, there would be no need to look for a replacement. It isn't like he is old. If his play even showed potential to be good, we would not be bringing in his replacement. You have constantly argued with me that Orton has played good here. There are multiple moves this offseason that say you are wrong in McDaniels eyes.

Oh really? Here are the DIRECT quotes from McD that prove what I just wrote:

McDaniels: Orton's the starter
Associated Press
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Kyle Orton remains the Denver Broncos' starting quarterback, and Brady Quinn is going to have to unseat him if he wants to be the one under center when the season starts in six months.
"He is our starter. There is no question," coach Josh McDaniels said of his incumbent at the AFC coaches' breakfast at Orlando, Fla., on Tuesday, reiterating what he's been saying both privately and publicly since acquiring Quinn from the Cleveland Browns on March 13.
McDaniels said Orton deserves to keep his job based on his performance last season, when he threw for 3,802 yards and 21 touchdowns with 12 interceptions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5020773

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 11:12 AM
I do like your new spin though. I will be bumping some of our Orton arguments anyway. I have a few that I remember that will be funny to go over today. They talked about how I could really be siding with McDaniels about Ortons play and how that will be proven if he trades for a replacement or drafts a first rounder. I will do that later though. My search feature isn't working on the BlackBerry.

Every time we debate anything, you always play the "I'll bump some threads to prove you wrong" card. And you NEVER do. This time will be no different. You lose.

underrated29
05-06-2010, 11:14 AM
Its not happening. Seriously.


Where is vegasbronco or wabbit- those guys have more inside info.



Orton will not be traded before this season is over, unless some teams lose QBs to major injuries..Jax, vikes and pitts would be the 3 teams I think might be possible landing spots, but there is now way we trade orton within 1 month.

i4jelway7
05-06-2010, 11:20 AM
I think Mcd has seen Tebows mental capacity for the game, his work ethic, and his ability to pick up the playbook quickly and he is going to be our starting QB THIS year

jhns
05-06-2010, 11:21 AM
Every time we debate anything, you always play the "I'll bump some threads to prove you wrong" card. And you NEVER do. This time will be no different. You lose.

LOL

Please, do show me the last time I said I was going to bump a thread. There is a handy search function to help you out. I bet you don't even respond after your usual call out that is way off base. You know, just like every other time.

jhns
05-06-2010, 11:22 AM
I think Mcd has seen Tebows mental capacity for the game, his work ethic, and his ability to pick up the playbook quickly and he is going to be our starting QB THIS year

This is what I think as well if Orton is actually traded. I think it will be for Tebow and not Quinn.

dbfan21
05-06-2010, 11:23 AM
i'm calling this bs!

+1

cmhargrove
05-06-2010, 11:23 AM
Oh really? Here are the DIRECT quotes from McD that prove what I just wrote:

McDaniels: Orton's the starter
Associated Press
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Kyle Orton remains the Denver Broncos' starting quarterback, and Brady Quinn is going to have to unseat him if he wants to be the one under center when the season starts in six months.
"He is our starter. There is no question," coach Josh McDaniels said of his incumbent at the AFC coaches' breakfast at Orlando, Fla., on Tuesday, reiterating what he's been saying both privately and publicly since acquiring Quinn from the Cleveland Browns on March 13.
McDaniels said Orton deserves to keep his job based on his performance last season, when he threw for 3,802 yards and 21 touchdowns with 12 interceptions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5020773

I think we keep Orton, and getting rid of him now seems ridiculous, however....

McD said the same thing about Cutler before he was traded also...

24champ
05-06-2010, 11:25 AM
http://nfldotcom.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mcdaniels_blog1.jpg

ScottXray
05-06-2010, 11:26 AM
-- note: you said there is no reason for letting orton go.... is this something you know or are just guessing about? IF he is traded then there was a reason (whatever it might be), if he is not then this whole thread is for not.

--note: you said you strongly believe.....welp we all strongly believe things in the world might happen, but that is not always what happens.

so, you use my post to rebute the facts that i wrote with assumptions and your beliefs???? welcome to the mane, where the ugly truths are covered up by our beliefs and assumptions.

ps i only used bold type to distinguish between your post and mine. :kiss:

1. Bowlen told McD to trade Cutler....It was not in his plans to do it. When life hands you lemons make lemonade. Once he was told to dump Cutler he did the best he could to make lemonade, and got the best deal he could....Orton along with the picks..

2. I never said Orton is a long term starter here. But right now he is the only QB that has system time in games under McD. See #1 above....it was not McDs decision to trade Cutller, and he won't leave himself in that boat again by Choice. It would be foolish to trade him at THIS time, unless the offer is outstanding. Nobody made an offer to Orton during RFA. So now he is worth trading for when In a month or two they can have J Russell for NOTHING?

3. Orton is the starter until someone takes the job from him. Nobody has done that yet.

Cito Pelon
05-06-2010, 11:30 AM
Aliens want to take over the Broncos.

gunns
05-06-2010, 11:40 AM
Oh really? Here are the DIRECT quotes from McD that prove what I just wrote:

McDaniels: Orton's the starter
Associated Press
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Kyle Orton remains the Denver Broncos' starting quarterback, and Brady Quinn is going to have to unseat him if he wants to be the one under center when the season starts in six months.
"He is our starter. There is no question," coach Josh McDaniels said of his incumbent at the AFC coaches' breakfast at Orlando, Fla., on Tuesday, reiterating what he's been saying both privately and publicly since acquiring Quinn from the Cleveland Browns on March 13.
McDaniels said Orton deserves to keep his job based on his performance last season, when he threw for 3,802 yards and 21 touchdowns with 12 interceptions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5020773

It doesn't prove anything. They don't always tell the truth, and even if it is the truth for that moment, things change.

Taco John
05-06-2010, 11:40 AM
If Quinn takes over 30% of the snaps this year (or something like that) he is owed somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 million. If not he gets closer to $500K. They aren't just going to hand it over to him like that. If he clearly beats out Orton and represents the Broncos best chance at success then he'll play, but with that contract absolutely nothing will just be handed to him.


Make way! Lurker coming though!

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 11:42 AM
I think we keep Orton, and getting rid of him now seems ridiculous, however....

McD said the same thing about Cutler before he was traded also...

Everyone knows that. I was simply asked to prove that McD and I are in agreement with where Orton stands today (#1 QB on our roster). My quote accomplished that goal. Nothing more, nothing less.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 11:46 AM
It doesn't prove anything. They don't always tell the truth, and even if it is the truth for that moment, things change.

It proves plenty in the context of this thread. Please follow the debate.

I was asked to prove where McD essentially views Orton on the depth chart TODAY. That quote proves where he is TODAY. Nowhere did I say that McD is conceding the starting job on week one to Orton. Nowhere did I say that McD is conceding he'll even be on the roster in week one. All I'm doing is proving that McD said that, based off his performance last year, he earned the right to begin the offseason camps as the #1. Mission accomplished.

jhns
05-06-2010, 11:55 AM
It proves plenty in the context of this thread. Please follow the debate.

I was asked to prove where McD essentially views Orton on the depth chart TODAY. .

No, you weren't asked to prove that. I spoke of McDaniels actions and you came back claiming his words mean something. The saying is "actions speak louder than words", not the other way around. You didn't prove anything.

So, what came of that bumping claim? You guys talk a lot of trash on this site with so little to back it up. You make it far too easy.

yerner
05-06-2010, 11:56 AM
To compete at starter? AZ, Seattle, Carolina, Buffalo, Cleveland are the obvious favorites. He'd also be an upgrade at #2 QB in pretty much any city, and wouldn't demand a ridiculous contract. Hell, half the #2s in the league made more than Orton made last year or will make this year.

Fair enough, but I don't think anyone on that list would give up any decent compensation. Basically, we would have to trade him to a team looking for a backup.

OABB
05-06-2010, 12:00 PM
No, you weren't asked to prove that. I spoke of McDaniels actions and you came back claiming his words mean something. The saying is "actions speak louder than words", not the other way around. You didn't prove anything.

So, what came of that bumping claim? You guys talk a lot of trash on this site with so little to back it up. You make it far too easy.

If it helps you bumped a thread trying to prove me wrong and it only showed how lame you are. You changed your stance and tried to get out of your ass whooping on a technicality and made some lame jokes.

*WARHORSE*
05-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Kyle Orton is not going to be traded unless a team offers something we cant refuse.


......which isnt happening.

PRBronco
05-06-2010, 12:05 PM
Kyle Orton is not going to be traded unless a team offers something we cant refuse.


......which isnt happening.

This. Somehow the discussion seems to have morphed into us having to trade him.

jhns
05-06-2010, 12:06 PM
If it helps you bumped a thread trying to prove me wrong and it only showed how lame you are. You changed your stance and tried to get out of your ass whooping on a technicality and made some lame jokes.

Way to completely fail again. He said that I claimed I would bump something and then never did. You come back with "you bumped something...". Again, too easy.

BTW, since you still don't understand. That entire thread was a joke. You made a smart ass comment after me. I made one back to you that went right over your head. I tried explaining that to you but you still couldn't get it. Pretty funny stuff.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 12:06 PM
No, you weren't asked to prove that. I spoke of McDaniels actions and you came back claiming his words mean something. The saying is "actions speak louder than words", not the other way around. You didn't prove anything.

McD's actions? He named Orton the #1 AFTER picking up Quinn.

So, what came of that bumping claim? You guys talk a lot of trash on this site with so little to back it up. You make it far too easy.

Get off the blackberry and prove me wrong. You were the one that said you'd bump threads, not me. Do it.

It was a BS challenge to begin with. You have claimed in the past, just like today, that for whatever reason you weren't able to bump up past threads that would support your argument...but would return later to do it when you could. Then you never did. There really isn't a way for me to prove this because the site's search function doesn't work that way. Advanced searches are basically impossible.

coachmastermind
05-06-2010, 12:12 PM
Why keep Orton, who we all know will not be here next season, just to potentially win a couple more games... (this isn't a team that is ready to go deep into the playoffs YET)... then start Tebow or Quinn the next season and let them go through growing pains.

If you're going to bleed anyway you might as well cut yourself deep and get it over with.

If the goal is to win the Super Bowl... why waste a season on the road to that goal with Kyle Orton?

jhns
05-06-2010, 12:13 PM
It was a BS challenge to begin with. You have claimed in the past, just like today, that for whatever reason you weren't able to bump up past threads that would support your argument...but would return later to do it when you could. Then you never did. .

You keep making claims that you never support. You can prove it. Show me the last time I said I would bump a thread to prove you wrong. If I can't show you that I bumped it after that date, you win. Your claim is that I do it all the time but you don't know of a single one? Also, I have no problem searching for key words by username unless it stopped working recently. It is how I look up my old posts.

Again, you won't back up this claim. It is what you do. Make ridiculous claims that aren't close to being true and never can provide evidence of them. Don't worry, you aren't alone. I had an entire thread of people claiming I changed an argument in a thread yesterday because one of your kind made one of these ridiculous claims. I finally asked someone to show me where I changed the argument and they all just stopped talking about it. It is pretty funny how lame some of you are.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 12:22 PM
You keep making claims that you never support. You can prove it. Show me the last time I said I would bump a thread to prove you wrong. If I can't show you that I bumped it after that date, you win. Your claim is that I do it all the time but you don't know of a single one? Also, I have no problem searching for key words by username unless it stopped working recently. It is how I look up my old posts.

Great, I search by username and then I have to sift through all 500+ posts? Unless I know the exact wording, the search function is useless.

Maybe you used the word "bump", maybe you used the phrase "dig up", maybe you used some other word or phrase. It's a bs demand.

I'll simply prove you wrong by bumping this thread tomorrow after you fail to bump any of the threads you supposedly have queued up.

theAPAOps5
05-06-2010, 12:23 PM
Make way! Lurker coming though!

And with one of the best user names ever!

jhns
05-06-2010, 12:25 PM
Great, I search by username and then I have to sift through all 500+ posts? Unless I know the exact wording, the search function is useless.

Maybe you used the word "bump", maybe you used the phrase "dig up", maybe you used some other word or phrase. It's a bs demand.

I'll simply prove you wrong by bumping this thread tomorrow after you fail to bump any of the threads you supposedly have queued up.

I guarantee you I don't have 500+ posts with the word bump. I told you this is exactly what would happen. Bean makes a claim he can't back up at all. What a surprise.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 12:28 PM
I guarantee you I don't have 500+ posts with the word bump. I told you this is exactly what would happen. Bean makes a claim he can't back up at all. What a surprise.

You fail to read again. What a surprise.

jhns
05-06-2010, 12:32 PM
You fail to read again. What a surprise.

No, I read your list of lame excuses. The thing is, that is all they are. You make this "all the time" claim and can't think of a single example. Funny stuff Bean. Can't say I didn't predict it.

cmhargrove
05-06-2010, 12:35 PM
Everyone knows that. I was simply asked to prove that McD and I are in agreement with where Orton stands today (#1 QB on our roster). My quote accomplished that goal. Nothing more, nothing less.

Well as long as you and McD are in agreement, I guess it's all good.

Just kidding man, I wasn't attacking you. Just making my daily Cutler post.

Swedish Extrovert
05-06-2010, 12:45 PM
I heard waiting for the lightrail here in Houston that they are looking to shop Andre Johnson because of the injury concerns and they want to get a pick, another WR and possibly a defensive back in the deal for him.
Heard Denver was one team rumoured to be inquiring, possibly our 1st next year, Royal and Hill for Johnson?

Minus Royal, that would be sweet.

gunns
05-06-2010, 12:57 PM
It proves plenty in the context of this thread. Please follow the debate.

I was asked to prove where McD essentially views Orton on the depth chart TODAY. That quote proves where he is TODAY. Nowhere did I say that McD is conceding the starting job on week one to Orton. Nowhere did I say that McD is conceding he'll even be on the roster in week one. All I'm doing is proving that McD said that, based off his performance last year, he earned the right to begin the offseason camps as the #1. Mission accomplished.

Is there anybody who didn't think Orton was the starter after we got Quinn? I don't think McD had to tell us that. And what I was referring to is that unless you are literally talking about TODAY, it means nothing. And it wasn't TODAY.

Quoydogs
05-06-2010, 01:02 PM
K so Jaba the hut is released so what would you all think of Orton in a raiders uni ?

BroncoMan4ever
05-06-2010, 01:31 PM
McDaniels has made plenty of QB personnel mistakes so far, wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Simms was the only mistake and that was rectified after only a single season.

BroncosSR
05-06-2010, 01:51 PM
Ok, I'm late to the parade here but...

If I'm not mistaken, he signed his tender therefore guaranteeing his contract. Therefore, there's no way we cut him and pay him $3 million. If anything, it'd have to be a trade...

Is this correct?

PRBronco
05-06-2010, 01:56 PM
Ok, I'm late to the parade here but...

If I'm not mistaken, he signed his tender therefore guaranteeing his contract. Therefore, there's no way we cut him and pay him $3 million. If anything, it'd have to be a trade...

Is this correct?

No, he didn't sign his tender yet, afaik. He's working out with the team because he's a good dude and knows he has to fight for his job.

Beantown Bronco
05-06-2010, 02:09 PM
No, he didn't sign his tender yet, afaik. He's working out with the team because he's a good dude and knows he has to fight for his job.

You are mistaken. He signed it last month.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14899125?source=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-sports-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Broncos%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

PRBronco
05-06-2010, 02:11 PM
You are mistaken. He signed it last month.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14899125?source=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-sports-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Broncos%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

Ahh good man! Thanks for the update. :thumbsup:

OABB
05-06-2010, 02:35 PM
Way to completely fail again. He said that I claimed I would bump something and then never did. You come back with "you bumped something...". Again, too easy.

BTW, since you still don't understand. That entire thread was a joke. You made a smart ass comment after me. I made one back to you that went right over your head. I tried explaining that to you but you still couldn't get it. Pretty funny stuff.

Here's a tip... When you have to explain a joke it isn't funny. And here is another, when you are wrong on something pretending it is a joke doesn't work unless you are funny enough to cover it up. Saying " I don't understand" is not a great one liner.


Just here to help jhins stain.

pokenation
05-06-2010, 02:37 PM
1. Bowlen told McD to trade Cutler....It was not in his plans to do it. When life hands you lemons make lemonade. Once he was told to dump Cutler he did the best he could to make lemonade, and got the best deal he could....Orton along with the picks..

2. I never said Orton is a long term starter here. But right now he is the only QB that has system time in games under McD. See #1 above....it was not McDs decision to trade Cutller[B] (you know this for sure?? How??), and he won't leave himself in that boat again by Choice. (again....do you talk to josh, did he tell you this???) It would be foolish to trade him at THIS time, unless the offer is outstanding. (in your eyes maybe, who know what josh and company are thinking) Nobody made an offer to Orton during RFA. (this is the first real truth you have written in the post) So now he is worth trading for when In a month or two they can have J Russell for NOTHING?

3. Orton is the starter until someone takes the job from him. Nobody has done that yet. And you know this how?? Same thing was said prior to cutler being traded.


ok...ok, your right im wrong. evidently you were IN the room when all these things between bowlen and josh happened. you must have been because you write them like they are fact and that you heard them yourself.

i just stated that josh HAS traded a pro bowl qb and played a season with a qb that was new to his system. thats it nothing more.....you on the other had have stated things that only someone inside the room would know. so, either you are assuming again or u are an insider.

welcome aboard you insider. i dont really like calling people liars or fibbers.

jhns
05-06-2010, 02:38 PM
Here's a tip... When you have to explain a joke it isn't funny. And here is another, when you are wrong on something pretending it is a joke doesn't work unless you are funny enough to cover it up. Saying " I don't understand" is not a great one liner.


I said a smart ass comment. If you think all sarcasm is supposed to be funny then I guess you have a point. Here is a hint. When 5 straight posts are smart ass comments, the 6th post is likely a smart ass comment. I know, that is hard to fathom.

It is funny that you are still whining about this though. Others got it right away and even pointed it out in the thread.

Popps
05-06-2010, 03:22 PM
I said a smart ass comment. If you think all sarcasm is supposed to be funny then I guess you have a point. Here is a hint. When 5 straight posts are smart ass comments, the 6th post is likely a smart ass comment. I know, that is hard to fathom.

It is funny that you are still whining about this though. Others got it right away and even pointed it out in the thread.



Honestly, with Lex gone... is jhiz far and away the worst poster here? Clearly it's the least respected.


Baja? Poll?

jhns
05-06-2010, 03:35 PM
Clearly it's the least respected.


I agree with that. You all need to learn some respect.

ScottXray
05-06-2010, 04:40 PM
ok...ok, your right im wrong. evidently you were IN the room when all these things between bowlen and josh happened. you must have been because you write them like they are fact and that you heard them yourself.

i just stated that josh HAS traded a pro bowl qb and played a season with a qb that was new to his system. thats it nothing more.....you on the other had have stated things that only someone inside the room would know. so, either you are assuming again or u are an insider.

welcome aboard you insider. i dont really like calling people liars or fibbers.

Okay, you got me.....I wasn't in the room and don't have any personal knowledge. I'm assuming that our coach isn't a complete idiot, and will not trade Orton so he can put TT or Quinn in and get them game experience while flushing his own career away. Oh, and that's an assumption also, but one that a lot of people here would be screaming for about 4 games into the season. Of course that might happen anyway, no matter what McD does.

I'm going with the newspaper reports at the time, which were that Bowlen told McD to dump Cutler after Cutler wouldn't take his phone calls, and the reports that McD said Cutler was our starter, and that he looked forward to working with him (which were prior to the total breakdown in relations between Cutler and the team)..and the reports of Cutler demanding a trade, then acting all surprised when it happened. Frankly I find those more believable than most stuff here. Still , I guess they could be wrong. Josina could have written some of them, or woody.

If you know otherwise, it is as good a story as any, and the same thing applies to your statement. There is no evidence that Josh WANTED to trade Cutler, other than a bunch of opinions and unsubstantiated reports.

He did make the trade so yes he traded away a Pro-bowl (legally) QB , and yeah that meant he had to rely on a QB new to his system....which also would have been Cutler, by the way. So that didn't really change anything at the beginning of last year. New Team, New Staff, and New QB no matter WHO was on the team.

Smilin Assassin
05-06-2010, 04:44 PM
Has Kyle actually said anything publicly since we drafted Tebow?


Was wondering this myself.....He said all the right things when the team traded for Brady Quinn, I haven't seen anything since the drafting of Timmy T.

TheReverend
05-06-2010, 04:52 PM
Was wondering this myself.....He said all the right things when the team traded for Brady Quinn, I haven't seen anything since the drafting of Timmy T.

Hasn't sobered up enough yet to form an actual sentence.

Br0nc0Buster
05-06-2010, 04:56 PM
Was wondering this myself.....He said all the right things when the team traded for Brady Quinn, I haven't seen anything since the drafting of Timmy T.

I thought he said something along the lines that he looks forward to the competition and wont give up his spot without a fight

That could of been after Quinn got traded but I thought it was about Tebow

OABB
05-06-2010, 05:14 PM
I said a smart ass comment. If you think all sarcasm is supposed to be funny then I guess you have a point. Here is a hint. When 5 straight posts are smart ass comments, the 6th post is likely a smart ass comment. I know, that is hard to fathom.

It is funny that you are still whining about this though. Others got it right away and even pointed it out in the thread.

I just reread that thread and no one thought you were kidding at first. After you got your anus resized you backed away and started acing silly. You think I don't understand what happened but I do. You pulled a CLASSIC forum manuever to back away.

I saw through it than and that's why I still tease you. You are gonna have to step up your game jhins towel if you want to be seen as clever. I am moving on now. Owning you is not as fun anymore.

Good luck jhins catcher.

KipCorrington25
05-06-2010, 05:49 PM
Orton is terrible, if we're banking any of the 2010 season on him we're doomed, he's always a fingernail away from a sack or 5 minutes away from his next ankle sprain.

FireFly
05-06-2010, 05:59 PM
do it! we can use a good shakeup in bronco land.

lolololololololololol

jhns
05-06-2010, 06:30 PM
I just reread that thread and no one thought you were kidding at first. After you got your anus resized you backed away and started acing silly. You think I don't understand what happened but I do. You pulled a CLASSIC forum manuever to back away.

I saw through it than and that's why I still tease you. You are gonna have to step up your game jhins towel if you want to be seen as clever. I am moving on now. Owning you is not as fun anymore.

Good luck jhins catcher.

LOL

You are funny.

Inkana7
05-06-2010, 06:38 PM
What is funny about the crap talk directed my way is that I seem to be the only poster that knows what goes on with this team. You guys cry because my opinions are different than yours. You guys use fake stats and opinions generated from hurt feelings. You guys recite history and are completely off. What a strange group.

We were in the playoffs within the last 4 years of Shanahan. In fact, we made the AFCCG. Keep talking trash as I school you though.
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jhns
05-06-2010, 07:25 PM
All I'm saying is that Orton has earned exactly what he's getting right now. The inside track at the #1 position going into camp this year. I have never said anything about him being the long term solution, but keep pretending I have. I know you struggle at reading comprehension.


I was reading some of the old Orton arguments and they are funny. There are some smart posters though. Here are a couple I liked. I will give you that I am harsh on him. You still defend him as a top 10 QB and one that should be here starting.

I will give you that the search is messed up also. It is hard to find words that work. I went with horrible by me and got a lot of Orton threads. I can get you more if you like. I know there are a lot.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=87967&highlight=horrible

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=88256&highlight=horrible

tsiguy96
05-06-2010, 07:34 PM
jhns for the love of god go away. we like to discuss the denver broncos, not get into pissing matches with you constantly over every single topic because you despise mcdaniels and everything that ever happens with the team, regardless of what it is.

jhns
05-06-2010, 07:39 PM
jhns for the love of god go away. we like to discuss the denver broncos, not get into pissing matches with you constantly over every single topic because you despise mcdaniels and everything that ever happens with the team, regardless of what it is.

I like a lot of stuff he has done. I just really dislike a few things. No need to exagerate.

tsiguy96
05-06-2010, 07:51 PM
I like a lot of stuff he has done. I just really dislike a few things. No need to exagerate.

im not exaggerating, how many current arguments are you in on this forum right now about how badly you think mcdaniels has handled situations?

broncswin
05-06-2010, 08:03 PM
im not exaggerating, how many current arguments are you in on this forum right now about how badly you think mcdaniels has handled situations?

this is true jhns...you have some good points...but like to get in an internet fight way too much dude...take it easy or your gonna turn into mock:~ohyah!:

theAPAOps5
05-07-2010, 05:14 PM
So did your buddy maybe overhear McD and Woody talking for today's article and just jump to conclusions?

NYBronco
05-07-2010, 05:16 PM
Has it been "soon" yet? Is Orton out as a Bronco?

FADERPROOF
05-07-2010, 07:23 PM
I said this a few weeks ago that Orton will be out of Denver...its gonna happen...

cutthemdown
05-07-2010, 07:40 PM
If Broncos trade Orton for some picks next yr it wouldn't really be a bad thing. Orton is what he is a decent avg nfl signal caller.

I think mcdaniels would do it and I don't think Bowlen is going to pull trigger on firing him anytime soon.

Bowlen believes he is the boy genius and in the end will build a team that is good every yr.

I actually think Quinn more talented and with some coaching could easily also become an avg NFL signal caller. Tebow we will see he could special or nothing but for sure Mcdnaiels is investing he will be. That isn't good for Orton.

I wonder what a team would give up for Orton once some injuries happen.

Who would be the best team to lose a QB? Jags? Minny?

baja
05-07-2010, 07:41 PM
If you really want to get rid of Orton just get TJ to start a thread declaring Orton isn't going anywhere.

Popps
05-07-2010, 07:43 PM
If you really want to get rid of Orton just get TJ to start a thread declaring Orton isn't going anywhere.

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/6401703g69.gif

baja
05-07-2010, 07:46 PM
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/6401703g69.gif

Hey Popps congrats on 25,000 - I just noticed.;D

Vegas_Bronco
05-07-2010, 09:58 PM
Handing over light rail duties to just anyone doesn't fly on the OM:

oubronco
05-08-2010, 09:56 AM
Noone would give us a 7th for Orton

HAT
08-19-2010, 09:42 PM
I may just have to throw a party in McDs honor if this happens. That will come right after I bump all of those threads about Ortons performance. It will be good times.

http://www.roflmachine.com/fun/bump.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-19-2010, 09:55 PM
Noone would give us a 7th for Orton

Who the **** is "Noone"?

Crushaholic
08-19-2010, 09:58 PM
Who the **** is "Noone"?

Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits Ha!

bombay
08-19-2010, 09:59 PM
Noone would give us a 7th for Orton

Brilliant.

OBF1
08-19-2010, 10:21 PM
1) So much for your friends contacts, They suck, just like you, feeling you have to post this crap in the first place....Look mommy, I am on the internet :)

2) Noone is one of Pat bowlens driking buddies.

~Crash~
08-19-2010, 10:50 PM
This is full of gems .. but the first poster might have been right in what was said who knows.

BroncoBuff
08-19-2010, 11:25 PM
Bumping an old thread ... 7 day ban.

Losing HAT for a week ... Priceless.

HAT
08-19-2010, 11:28 PM
Bumping an old thread ... 7 day ban.

Losing HAT for a week ... Priceless.

Oh please. Bumping a single thread that's relevant to current news?

Waaaaah.

Borks147
08-19-2010, 11:44 PM
Oh please. Bumping a single thread that's relevant to current news?

Waaaaah.

seriously, that would just be dumb.

BroncoBuff
08-19-2010, 11:46 PM
Oh please. Bumping a single thread that's relevant to current news?

Waaaaah.

Just joshin' a Josh lover, that's all ......

HAT
08-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Just joshin' a Josh lover, that's all ......

Bronco lover. :yayaya:

oubronco
08-20-2010, 07:04 AM
Who the **** is "Noone"?

I was down on him but DAMN I shyt the bed on that one :spit:

Where's my crow?

Dagmar
08-20-2010, 07:12 AM
Oh please. Bumping a single thread that's relevant to current news?

Waaaaah.

Watch, don't insult mock or he runs to the mods and gets you banned.

Captain 'Dre
08-20-2010, 07:33 AM
Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits Ha!

Oh yeah... The one who sang "Meeses Brown You've Got A Lovely Daughter". Ha!

Gort
08-20-2010, 08:46 AM
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Cito Pelon
08-20-2010, 09:21 AM
Amazing how people figured Orton was just a scrub, etc. Doesn't say much for the Mane IQ.

El Guapo
08-20-2010, 09:48 AM
This thread makes me laugh.

HILife
08-20-2010, 11:43 AM
http://www.roflmachine.com/fun/bump.jpg

:spit: good bump.

bronco militia
08-20-2010, 11:48 AM
Amazing how people figured Orton was just a scrub, etc. Doesn't say much for the Mane IQ.

he got a one year extension...BFD

Kaylore
08-20-2010, 12:22 PM
he got a one year extension...BFD

http://thenextweb.com/files/2009/12/funny-pictures-bah-humbug-cat.jpg

The MVPlaya
08-20-2010, 12:23 PM
he got a one year extension...BFD

It is a pretty big deal.

bronco militia
08-20-2010, 12:41 PM
It is a pretty big deal.



yawn ZZZ...

McDman
08-20-2010, 01:34 PM
Honestly, with Lex gone... is jhiz far and away the worst poster here? Clearly it's the least respected.


Baja? Poll?

Where did Lex go? Not complaining that he's gone, but I can't remember why he left.



Also where's the throat puncher?

Steve Sewell
08-20-2010, 04:02 PM
McDaniels has made plenty of QB personnel mistakes so far, wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I lol'd

Also, this is appropriate thread necromancy. I just read through the first few pages and was very entertained.

Rock Chalk
08-20-2010, 04:21 PM
This thread is full of both epic win AND epic fail

Epic fail in the OP, epic win at the replies.

Bronco Yoda
08-20-2010, 04:44 PM
So, where's superfly at now? You got some splain'n to do. LMAO!

Popps
08-20-2010, 04:51 PM
Where did Lex go? Not complaining that he's gone, but I can't remember why he left.



Also where's the throat puncher?

Lez got booted for going after people's families repeatedly.

As for Spider, we're not allowed to ask. I'm not sure why, but if you start a thread asking... you get 50 lashes.

GreatBronco16
08-20-2010, 05:00 PM
This comes from one of my buddies who knows some people in the new FO.


http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/royal-fail.jpg

Hogan11
08-20-2010, 05:04 PM
Lez got booted for going after people's families repeatedly.

As for Spider, we're not allowed to ask. I'm not sure why, but if you start a thread asking... you get 50 lashes.

And super agent Rastaman followed his client to the Dolphins

Blueflame
08-20-2010, 05:06 PM
Lez got booted for going after people's families repeatedly.

As for Spider, we're not allowed to ask. I'm not sure why, but if you start a thread asking... you get 50 lashes.

... With cooked spaghetti. :P

To answer the question, Spider's been around... although mostly in the politics forum.

Dagmar
08-20-2010, 05:52 PM
... With cooked spaghetti. :P

To answer the question, Spider's been around... although mostly in the politics forum.

http://i.imgur.com/dPYVO.gif

rmsanger
08-20-2010, 06:04 PM
Awesome

http://static.everyjoe.com/files/2006/12/jeff-garcia-thumbs-up.jpg

McDman
08-20-2010, 07:19 PM
Lez got booted for going after people's families repeatedly.

As for Spider, we're not allowed to ask. I'm not sure why, but if you start a thread asking... you get 50 lashes.

Good, Lex was a bastard, same with Rasta. Did he switch teams?

There's about one or two more people who need to leave and this place would be immensely better.

Archer81
08-20-2010, 07:37 PM
Most scrutinized injury to a bronco player since Elway tore his bicep...


:Broncos: