OT-- Whos your top 5 favorite Guitar player [Archive] - The Orange Mane

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 01:52 AM

I was talking with some of the stage crew from the Eric Johnson concert and they said they F' with him just by changing his batteries in his effects boxes. ie Duracell to energizer. I guess they make his playing sound different and he just freaks out.

Well I can tell the difference in my wireless AMT microphone on my sax when it's not a duracell.

Musicians are hip to duracell being a cleaner battery. Now can I hear a sound diff? I don't know for sure but I can tell a level difference on the meter so I know it's a tad better signal. Also they last longer.

I can get through a full gig on the duracell and often if im stuck using anything else it starts to fade hour 4 on me.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 01:54 AM

1. Carl Verheyen
2. Michael Landau
3. Scott Henderson
4. Frank Gambale
5. Steve Lukather

If I didn't have to stop at five, I would continue with...

Mike Miller
Michael Thompson
Larry Carlton
Lee Ritenour
Paul Jackson Jr
Grant Geissman
Allen Hinds
Allan Holdsworth
Mike Stern
Hiram Bullock
Bill Connors
Dean Parks
Tim Pierce.... ;)

Yeah which is why you sort of have to pick them by era.

Just so many great players...especially guitar which is a glamor instrument in most bands. So many guitar players. Can't throw a rock in LA without hitting 3 of them in the head.

Sax players can come up with a list of the top 10 and will agree on about half of them usually.

TDmvp

05-03-2010, 01:55 AM

It starts and End with Gilmour to me ...

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cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 01:55 AM

Of course LABF a thread on sax players would get 2 responses. Me making first post, and me then in 2nd post asking if anyone else is going to respond.......then maybe a joke from someone like Spider telling my the sax is gay, thread closed. :)

TDmvp

05-03-2010, 01:58 AM

Love the Sax in Floyd ... I used to play Sax ...

Quoydogs

05-03-2010, 01:59 AM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 02:02 AM

Yeah which is why you sort of have to pick them by era.

If I did that, I'd definitely be here all night.

I figured I'd just go with my current favorites.

Of course LABF a thread on sax players would get 2 responses. Me making first post, and me then in 2nd post asking if anyone else is going to respond.......then maybe a joke from someone like Spider telling my the sax is gay, thread closed.

You can just tell them you keep some sax records around for "profiling purposes," ala "Talladega Nights." Ha!

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 02:02 AM

Steve Lukather though is known as one of the heavy hitters in the studio back in the day. He's on so many albums it's sick.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 02:03 AM

If I did that, I'd definitely be here all night.

I figured I'd just go with my current favorites.

You can just tell them you keep some sax records around for "profiling purposes," ala "Talladega Nights." Ha!

Classic that is a great joke. Another good sax one is when Elaine on Sienfield dates the sax player. She gets him to go down on her and it ruins his chops and he loses record deal. Classic.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 02:06 AM

Hey man I play the sax too, The dude from Spyro gyra is amazing David sandborn is quite good as well.

Sanborn was my first influence on sax. I still dig him and yes he is one of the greatest as far as jazz fusion goes. For sax more so then many instruments it gets broken into:

funk- Maceo Parker, Lenny Pickett
Bebop-Charlie Parker, Coltrane
West Coast- Cannonball, Stan Getz
The Fusion where guys like Sanborn come in.

Sanborn sort of that guy who did all the R&B stuff, played with Bowie, played with Clapton, so I'm not surprised he makes a lot of lists. He's a great player though no doubt about it. Probably the most copied sound in the history of sax.

crawdad

05-03-2010, 02:06 AM

Come on guys...Check out Joe Bonamassa. He is top 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL4iPwwSIp8&playnext_from=TL&videos=4ZXpnpVERoU&feature=rec-LGOhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL4iPwwSIp8&playnext_from=TL&videos=4ZXpnpVERoU&feature=rec-LGO

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 02:08 AM

Hey man I play the sax too, The dude from Spyro gyra is amazing David sandborn is quite good as well.

Jay Beckenstien is a fun player to listen to. Plus one of the great pop/fusion/smooth jazz bands of all time. That doesn't hurt.

ZONA

05-03-2010, 02:08 AM

Too many amazing guys to list but I'm liking this new kid JerryC quite a bit. Very talented and creating quite a buzz.

http://jerryc.tw/

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 02:09 AM

Come on guys...Check out Joe Bonamassa. He is top 5

“Every time I start to feel good about my playing and general overall knowledge of the guitar, I will get together with Carl (Verheyen) and see truly how far I have to go. I am proud to call him my friend. A master of the guitar and a hellava nice guy to boot."

– Joe Bonamassa

http://www.carlverheyen.com/

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 02:13 AM

Sanborn was my first influence on sax. I still dig him and yes he is one of the greatest as far as jazz fusion goes.

Used to love that show "Night Music" hosted by Sanborn.

Fave fusion sax guys are Larry Klimas and Brandon Fields.

ZONA

05-03-2010, 02:23 AM

This is what you do when you live with a roomate and you both love to play guitar but you only have 1 guitar. Pretty funny.

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cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 02:24 AM

Used to love that show "Night Music" hosted by Sanborn.

Fave fusion sax guys are Larry Klimas and Brandon Fields.

Yeah Fields is a great one. He did some stuff with Tower of Power that blows my mind.

Night Music was my all time favorite show. Hiram Bullock, one of your favorites, and mine also, was always the guitar player for Sanborn.

The episode with Phil Woods is so sick I may have to go youtube it.

I won't shove it down all your throats but if you are interested in the show NIGHT MUSIC and want to see what it was.....Just type david sanborn night music in youtube search and watch any episode.

Sanborn Jams with every guest and they do a song together. I mean nowdays the hosts are just same lame ass with no musical talent.

Dr. Broncenstein

05-03-2010, 04:50 AM

Jimi Hendrix
Doyle Bramhall jr
Derek Trucks
Robert Cray
Ian Moore (circa 1993-2000)

Garcia Bronco

05-03-2010, 05:12 AM

Trey Anastasio

GoBroncos84

05-03-2010, 05:17 AM

Buckethead
Adam Jones
Eric Clapton
Tom Morello
Daron Malakian

toad

05-03-2010, 05:52 AM

Jimi Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
John Mayer
Ryan Adams
Gary Louris (The Jayhawks)

Dr. Broncenstein

05-03-2010, 05:55 AM

I just don't understand the universal love for Clapton. I've been playing for 25 years, so I can identify a really great player when I hear them. My favorites tend not to be the most technically proficient, but more in line with the persuit of a certain tone. You'll find Eric Clapton at the top of almost any list of "guitar gods." Heck, the majority of my top 5 current favorites rotate in and out of Clapton's touring band... and they probably list him as a huge influence (and I'd be hugely influenced by that kind of money).

There's just something about Clapton that irritates the shiat out of me. I can't put my finger on it. Oh well... rant over.

gunns

05-03-2010, 06:22 AM

Jimi Hendrix
Django Reihardt
Jimmy Page
BB King
Robert Johnson
Carlos Santana
Stevie Ray Vaughn

bowtown

05-03-2010, 06:23 AM

GreatBronco16

05-03-2010, 07:03 AM

I like the lists so far, but if you have Stevie Ray on there, then you have to have Kenny Wayne Sheppard too.

bronclvr

05-03-2010, 07:07 AM

Most of the good ones have already been named, but don't forget:

Gary Rossington
Richie Blackmore
Jeff Beck
Dickey Betts
Billy Gibbons
Robin Trower
David Lindley
Eddie Van Halen
Carlos Santana
Alvin Lee

Not all of these guys are my favorites, but it's hard to criticize their talent-

Broncojef

05-03-2010, 07:07 AM

Gotta give props to my boyhood guitar hero Edward VanHalen.

broncobum6162

05-03-2010, 07:21 AM

I thought it might be fun to see the difference in opinions here. Maybe include a link to you favorite song.
#1 Eric Clapton
#2 Joe Satriani
#3 Eric Johnson
#4 Stevie Ray Vaughn
#5 Mark knopfler

Here is a link to a kickin song. Cliffs over dover "live"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5llfHPzt4H4&feature=related
or if you like it a little harder try this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGNgcRwKW4Q&feature=related

Great list. Great to see you like Eric Johnson too. Cliffs of Dover, a classic piece. I'm pretty decent on Guitar Hero and Cliffs of Dover kicked my arse till I finally learned it!

Jesterhole

05-03-2010, 07:34 AM

Any list without Jimmy Paige is incomplete.

dumpy

05-03-2010, 07:35 AM

I like the lists so far, but if you have Stevie Ray on there, then you have to have Kenny Wayne Sheppard too.

Got to see the Experience Hendrix tour at the Paramount Theater back in March and Kenny Wayne Shepherd absolutely blew the roof off the place. And that was with both Eric Johnson and Joe Satriani performing as well (which both were awesome too).

Victor

05-03-2010, 07:41 AM

David Gilmour
Mark Knopfler
SRV
Clapton
Willie Nelson (what can I say...the man knows his way around a guitar neck)

xznsocal

05-03-2010, 07:46 AM

1. Jimmy Hendrix
2. Jimmy Paige
3. Eric Clapton
4. Carlos Santana
5. The Edge

:peace:

Ramathorn

05-03-2010, 07:48 AM

Mark tremonti from creed. Best ever

Smiling Assassin27

05-03-2010, 08:00 AM

1. Stevie Ray Vaughan-Tone is unparalleled. Add the technique and flash, and songs, and he's #1.
2. Eddie VH-Phrasing is sick, tone is unique, and signature licks (tapping, etc.) stellar.
3. Brian May-Tone is one of a kind, classical element in his playing makes him unique.
4. Randy Rhoads-Genius. Melodic structure maybe the best I've ever heard. Precision.
5. The Edge-Picking technique and tone are incredible. Not hard to play, but nobody can do a U2 tune the same way.

*honorable mention: Diamond Darrell Abbott-He's been around since the 80's but his style didn't become top shelf til the 90's. One word: Thick. Dude sounds like a guitar army and that power groove style is one of the few that catches my ear amongst all the copies.

Editor's Note: Innovation and pioneering does not equal best, necessarily.

Ramblin' Bronco

05-03-2010, 08:01 AM

Clapton

Hendrix

HAT

05-03-2010, 08:03 AM

Chris Cheney
Brian Setzer
Chet Atkins
BB King
SRV

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Ramblin' Bronco

05-03-2010, 08:10 AM

Clapton

Hendrix

Gilmour

Howell

Charley Patton

Rohirrim

05-03-2010, 08:30 AM

Ry Cooder
Leo Kotke
George Harrison
Steve Stills
Keith Richards
Randy California

Ramblin' Bronco

05-03-2010, 08:39 AM

Ry Cooder
Leo Kotke
George Harrison
Steve Stills
Keith Richards
Randy California

Love Ry Cooder.

Garcia Bronco

05-03-2010, 08:44 AM

Rohirrim

05-03-2010, 08:54 AM

Every guitar thread on the Mane devolves into a Clapton-bashfest.

Sir_Robin

05-03-2010, 08:55 AM

Smiling Assassin27

05-03-2010, 09:06 AM

Every guitar thread on the Mane devolves into a Clapton-bashfest.

That's how you know Clapton deserves a seat at the table...

Sincerely,

A-Rod, Kobe, Sid Crosby, and Tom Brady

Rohirrim

05-03-2010, 09:09 AM

That's how you know Clapton deserves a seat at the table...

Sincerely,

A-Rod, Kobe, Sid Crosby, and Tom Brady

He does seem to elicit the deep seated jealously of lesser players, doesn't he? ;D

mkporter

05-03-2010, 09:34 AM

Check out "It Might Get Loud". It's on Netflix instant right now. Features Jimmy Page, The Edge and Jack White talking about "their creative process, technique and influences as cameras follow them to key locations in their own music history. A jam session featuring all three musicians is woven into their discussions."

I can't believe it took this long to get to Jack White. #1 for me.

Jack White
Jimi Hendrix
Jimmy Paige

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OABB

05-03-2010, 09:36 AM

I can't believe it took this long to get to Jack White. #1 for me.

Jack White
Jimi Hendrix
Jimmy Paige

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You are joking right?

mkporter

05-03-2010, 09:46 AM

You are joking right?

Dead serious. Not a fan I take it?

rbackfactory80

05-03-2010, 10:08 AM

Hendrix
John McGlaughlin
Trey Anastasio
John Scofield
Ralph Towner

HAT

05-03-2010, 10:15 AM

You are joking right?

The thread title is *favorite*.

I forgot about JW. He'd be in my top 3 with Brian Setzer & Chris Cheney.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 10:16 AM

Love Ry Cooder.

I dig the movie crossroads where Ry Cooder and Stevie Via do all the electric guitar work.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 10:19 AM

Maybe it's that he generally only plays one scale.

Well the threat is top 5 favorites, not really top 5 best. Some gues make favorites list because they had a lot of big songs, played with a lot of people.

Clapton fits that bill.

LonghornBronco

05-03-2010, 10:29 AM

Randy Rhodes
Eddie VanHalen
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Monte Montgomery
Doug Gilmour

Here is a sample of Monte's virtuosity.

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Smiling Assassin27

05-03-2010, 10:35 AM

I dig the movie crossroads where Ry Cooder and Stevie Via do all the electric guitar work.

Not familiar with that one.

Sincerely,

Ralph 'Fingers' Macchio :strong:

Cito Pelon

05-03-2010, 10:56 AM

1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Carlos Santana
3. B.B. King
4. Eric Clapton
5. Slash

George Benson? Benson did have a collaborator on most of his stuff, can't remember his name.

Santana, BB King, good stuff. Clapton was good, he rode on JJ Cale's coattails on a few of his hits, but that doesn't take away from his guitar work.

Keith Richards I think was a fine guitarist.

EDIT: Whoops, make that Keith Richards instead of Keith Woods.

Arkie

05-03-2010, 11:00 AM

I haven't seen Buddy Guy listed, but I've heard a lot of his influence in this thread so far.

"Buddy Guy is by far and without a doubt the best guitar player alive...if you see him in person, the way he plays is beyond anyone. Total freedom of spirit, I guess… He really changed the course of rock and roll blues."
-Eric Clapton

"Without Buddy Guy, there would be no Stevie Ray Vaughan."
-SRV

“Heaven is lying at Buddy Guy’s feet while listening to him play guitar.”
-Jimi Hendrix

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bronco militia

05-03-2010, 11:01 AM

Not familiar with that one.

Sincerely,

Ralph 'Fingers' Macchio :strong:

Ha!

bronclvr

05-03-2010, 11:03 AM

I haven't seen Buddy Guy listed.

I can't beleive I forgot about Buddy Guy-I love "You're damn right I've got the Blues"-Buddy Guy rules-props to you-:thumbs:

Cito Pelon

05-03-2010, 11:05 AM

Smiling Assassin27

05-03-2010, 11:05 AM

“Heaven is lying at Buddy Guy’s feet while listening to him play guitar.”
-Jimi Hendrix

I'll take a folding chair located directly across from Mr. Guy, thank you.

eta: buddy guy's a fine guitarist and a fine gentleman.

bowtown

05-03-2010, 11:10 AM

No love here for Prince?

HAT

05-03-2010, 11:15 AM

No love here for Prince?

There's another one I forgot. Prince is often overlooked and very underrated IMO.

Smiling Assassin27

05-03-2010, 11:18 AM

No love here for Prince?

dude's all over the map...in a good way, usually. a chameleon, to be sure. another guy i'd put in the genius category.

Cito Pelon

05-03-2010, 11:25 AM

Hendrix ruined his talent with drugs and alcohol. A lot of his stuff was discordant and shouted lyrics. His cover of Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" is a classic, though, IMO.

Smiling Assassin27

05-03-2010, 11:27 AM

Another overlooked and underrated guitarist:

Jim Campilongo

Do yourselves a favor and check out The Little Willies. Dude's guitar work is tasteful yet filthy. Favorite Tele player.

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baja

05-03-2010, 11:30 AM

Django Reinhardt

Jeff Beck

Eric Clapton

Rohirrim

05-03-2010, 11:32 AM

Hendrix ruined his talent with drugs and alcohol. A lot of his stuff was discordant and shouted lyrics. His cover of Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" is a classic, though, IMO.

I was just relistening to Electric Ladyland last week (my favorite Hendrix album). I love 1983 (A merman I should turn to be). That whole album is amazing.

Quoydogs

05-03-2010, 11:33 AM

Every guitar thread on the Mane devolves into a Clapton-bashfest.

Clapton is Tebow ! While every guitar player on here has there own nitch. Clapton played it all and played it well.

broncosteven

05-03-2010, 11:35 AM

Guys I like

Richard Pick - More for his teaching method, arrangements and finally his recordings. Real Classical guys might know who this is.

I love what Page did back in the day.

I love what Slash did with simple modal tricks and double stops. His solos were not harmonicly difficult but they really made the songs better. He played with more feel than harmony.

I like all of Cutthemdown's guys:
1-Wes Montgomery
2-Chet Atkins
3-Jimmy Hendrix
4-Charlie Christian
5-Django Rienhardt.
Recently I have listened to all but Christians CD's.

Alex Liefson(sp?) is very good.

I like anyone who played in Genesis or Yes.

Albert King, Buddy Guy, robert johnson are all great blues players.

Love anyone who played with Steely Dan, Skunk Baxter, Larry Carlton (For Kid Charlemagne solo among others).

I really love Joe Walsh, it is a guilty pleasure though.

Bernie Leadon is my Favorite Country guy for his work with Eagles and John Hiatt" Slow Turning album.

James Taylor is Quality

Hard to say top 5 but this would be mine if Pinned down

1) Hendrix
2) Pick
3) Page
4) Rienhardt
5) Johnson

broncosteven

05-03-2010, 11:41 AM

Hendrix ruined his talent with drugs and alcohol. A lot of his stuff was discordant and shouted lyrics. His cover of Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" is a classic, though, IMO.

I was shocked when my Classical guitar teacher said she thought Hendrix was the greatest guitarist ever. She can't stand Led Zep though she teaches Stairway so I thought she would **** all over Jimmy but she said she loved his playing and thought it was a shame that he didn't live longer, he had the shot to be the next Beethoven in her eyes. Surprised the **** out of me.

Just listen to his chord selection on Purple haze. He starts with E augmented 9th and goes back to stock G and A chords. Who else at the time was using Augmented 9ths in pop?

He was 5 years ahead of the recording times also.

Quoydogs

05-03-2010, 11:45 AM

Rohirrim

05-03-2010, 11:48 AM

To me, Hendrix was at his best when he found a good groove and then just started riding it like in "Rainy Day, Dream Away."

broncosteven

05-03-2010, 11:51 AM

BTW you Denver locals or those into Summer Festival Jam Bands should check out the Band Cornmeal, one of my friends "Wavy Dave Burlingame" back in HS is the Banjo player. They cover classic rock songs in a Jam/Jerry Garcia & David Grisman/Grateful dead/Appalacian type sound.

They are getting hot and breaking out. They are playing Denver and Festivals more this summer than their hometown of Chicago.

C130Herkload

05-03-2010, 11:54 AM

Pony Boy

05-03-2010, 12:08 PM

Hendrix ruined his talent with drugs and alcohol. A lot of his stuff was discordant and shouted lyrics. His cover of Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" is a classic, though, IMO.

I'm thinking the drugs and alcohol brought out his true talent, it may have laid dormant without it.

Pony Boy

05-03-2010, 12:24 PM

To me, Hendrix was at his best when he found a good groove and then just started riding it like in "Rainy Day, Dream Away."

I purchased an 8-track tape of Jimi Hendrix “Are You Experienced” in 1968 and had the privilege of sitting front and center in the third row and watched Jimi play live at The University of Oklahoma field house in 1970. Life didn’t get much better than that….

Cito Pelon

05-03-2010, 12:41 PM

To me, Hendrix was at his best when he found a good groove and then just started riding it like in "Rainy Day, Dream Away."

Hendrix could go at it, but I resent him to this day because of the drug culture he led people into with his talent and charisma. Those were crazy days, people thought he was a god of some kind, tried to imitate him. Dude OD'd on heroin and who knows what else. Those years in the late-60's, early-70's were really bad, just plain crazy. You have no idea what it was like.

epicSocialism4tw

05-03-2010, 12:45 PM

My personal favorites:

Lyle Workman
Jonny Greenwood
Steve Howe
Billy Corgan
Joey Santiago

broncosteven

05-03-2010, 12:47 PM

I'm thinking the drugs and alcohol brought out his true talent, it may have laid dormant without it.

I would argue that drugs limited his true potential. In the end they took his life just think how much more music we would have if he lived as long as Paul McCartney or others of his Generation have.

I have read many an article where an Artist has said that drugs and Alchol caused writting blocks and degraded their performance. Look at Page around the "In through the out door" album, Plant said that he and Jones were the only 2 in the studio keeping the album going.

Everything in moderation.

broncosteven

05-03-2010, 12:48 PM

Quoydogs

05-03-2010, 12:56 PM

I would argue that drugs limited his true potential. In the end they took his life just think how much more music we would have if he lived as long as Paul McCartney or others of his Generation have.

I have read many an article where an Artist has said that drugs and Alchol caused writting blocks and degraded their performance. Look at Page around the "In through the out door" album, Plant said that he and Jones were the only 2 in the studio keeping the album going.

Everything in moderation.
I saw a documentary on the beatles. The Paul McCartney you speak of said and I quote.

" John and I never wrote one song when we were not on some kind of hallucinogenics. I mean you can tell the really good trips were strawberry fields forever and we all live in a yellow submarine"
End quote.

Rohirrim

05-03-2010, 01:00 PM

Cito Pelon

05-03-2010, 01:10 PM

I purchased an 8-track tape of Jimi Hendrix “Are You Experienced” in 1968 and had the privilege of sitting front and center in the third row and watched Jimi play live at The University of Oklahoma field house in 1970. Life didn’t get much better than that….

You must have fond memories of those days, I don't. Where I lived we had to assemble a gang every morning to fight our way into school. Kind of pathetic kids have to fight their way into school. Too bad it continues to this day.

Didn't mean to hijack, carry on.

Pony Boy

05-03-2010, 01:23 PM

Did he piss on your guitar amp? Sorry "Young ones" reference.

That must have been very cool indeed.

No, but he did open the show with possibly the most famous version of the song "Machine Gun" ever recorded. Started out with a flamenco-sounding riff at the start. It was dedicated to the Kent State students slain on May 4th 1970, that had happened 4 days earlier.

I believe tomorrow will be the 40th anniversary of Kent State.

broncosteven

05-03-2010, 01:31 PM

I saw a documentary on the beatles. The Paul McCartney you speak of said and I quote.

" John and I never wrote one song when we were not on some kind of hallucinogenics. I mean you can tell the really good trips were strawberry fields forever and we all live in a yellow submarine"
End quote.

Lennon was stoned out of his head from like the White album on. McCartney used but wasn't strung out like John was he carried the Let it be sessions. If you read the Beatles by Bob Spitz Lennon spent most of the last 2 years with the band stoned on heroin doing sound collages in his mansion.

When he had to play live for the 1st time post beatles he had kick on a plane while going over songs with Clapton to pull it off. I don't know how he managed that.

I think their stuff prior to the heavy drugs was better and stronger than the stuff after Lennon became a junkie. Plus the drugs drove a wedge in between them and they stopped writing together throw in a weird GF sitting in studio sessions and it crashed.

Again everything in moderation, if they want to blow some weed here and there fine but being strung out on Heroin is not cool. Ask James Taylor.

orangenblue2

05-03-2010, 02:43 PM

One of my personal favorites...Alvin Lee. If you haven't checked out the band "Ten Years After", do yourself a favor...and go with the live stuff

Garcia Bronco

05-03-2010, 04:18 PM

Well the threat is top 5 favorites, not really top 5 best. Some gues make favorites list because they had a lot of big songs, played with a lot of people.

Clapton fits that bill.

It's an impressive body of work even if others didn't cover it. I guess I play one scale as well(Major Scale), but I guess many other scales are derivatives of the Major scale.

Garcia Bronco

05-03-2010, 04:22 PM

Go see Phish if you like Hendrix. Trey and Phish make great live music.

Bronco_Beerslug

05-03-2010, 04:40 PM

I was just relistening to Electric Ladyland last week (my favorite Hendrix album). I love 1983 (A merman I should turn to be). That whole album is amazing.Got that album the day it hit the stores. Definitely top 50 stranded on desert isle album!!

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http://www.lanceta.es/jimi-hendrix/COMMON/cover/Electric_Ladyland.jpg

dbfan4life

05-03-2010, 06:48 PM

One of my favorites:

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broncosteven

05-03-2010, 07:04 PM

It's an impressive body of work even if others didn't cover it. I guess I play one scale as well(Major Scale), but I guess many other scales are derivatives of the Major scale.

Are you talking about modes or Scales?

azbroncfan

05-03-2010, 07:29 PM

Here is the best guy I'll bet very few of you have heard of. He plays out of Indy and comes to Utah quite a bit because he is in the group of friends I grew up with. He puts on an amazing entertaining show and can pull any random chick out of the crowd and have her strum and play an amazing tune with her struming.

Michael Kelsey

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Guitar competition winner

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 08:37 PM

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 08:42 PM

scales are useless unless you understand there relationships to chords/triads and what the 7th degree is.

You don't just through a minor chord, or an augmented chord over anything you want.

So for an augmented dominant 7 chord I like to use the whole tone scale garcia. Very easy but hard to hear because it removes the natural half step you are used to hearing.

just start on the tonic and move in whole steps.

If the Augmented chord is like a sharp 9, then I like to use a melodic minor scale h-w-h-w-w-w-w

So as far as only knowing major scales and triads you are right there. Once you know those you can learn the other quickly.

minor scale- flat the third
mixolydian- flat the 7th

and on and on and on. Of course it gets crazier as you get into inverted diminished etc etc. But really the major scale is the foundation for all music.
Augmented triad

1-3-#5

Major tirad

1-3-5

it's that simple, one note if you are just dealing with the triad.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 08:43 PM

Yeah LABF Shawn Lane who passed away right? he is an unbelievable player that most people haven't heard of.

There is another play, Brazalian I think, who is all over youtube, he plays everyone note for note. Steve Via, Eric Johnson, doesn't matter he plays it just like them. He is amazing. I will ask my friend what his name is again.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 08:45 PM

Music theory not near as hard as people want to make it, it's just most rock/blues musicians are lazy. The ones who look to jazz to learn some real theory always come back to rock/pop/blues/funk way better players.

For instance the drummer from Tool is set apart from other rock drummers because he war raised on, and studied intensely Jazz.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 08:48 PM

Also though IMO fast doesn't mean best. Music is supposed to be melodic not so fast nothing can be understood. Fast players eventually just lose me and I remember nothing of what they played.

I was taught that when you solo you leave space for people to digest what you are saying to them. Just one long solo with notes flying everywhere IMO is sort of lame.

Guys like Charlie Parker the expeception. If your bopping around fast that is impressive, but just scales played fast isn't. Almost any decent player can do that.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 08:49 PM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 08:51 PM

Yeah LABF Shawn Lane who passed away right?

Yep.

Also though IMO fast doesn't mean best.

True.

I just posted that one because I thought it was phenomenal that he had chops like that at age 16.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 08:57 PM

Yep.

True.

I just posted that one because I thought it was phenomenal that he had chops like that at age 16.

He could play slow also lol, he was a great player no doubt about it. Guy gave me a DVD of his about 2002 I think. I was blown away.

I love fast playing, I just can't take it for 45 minutes straight lol. My favorite players are ones like Steve Lukather who take you on a little journey with every solo.

Like it has a beginning, a middle, and an end, and when you get to the end it makes the first 2 parts make sense.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 09:11 PM

So for an augmented dominant 7 chord I like to use the whole tone scale garcia. Very easy but hard to hear because it removes the natural half step you are used to hearing.

just start on the tonic and move in whole steps.

Whole tone is a good scale choice for any dominant chord with a #5 or b5.

However, as with all symmetrical scales, you have to be careful that your lines don't end up sounding too much like patterns (and thus predictable.)

The solution to this is to keep your whole tone lines fairly short and to integrate them with other scales, e.g., pentatonic, melodic minor, etc, so that you just get the "flavor" of the whole tone scale without it being too obvious.

If the Augmented chord is like a sharp 9, then I like to use a melodic minor scale h-w-h-w-w-w-w

Melodic minor a half step up from the root of the chord, I assume you mean?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 09:15 PM

If the Augmented chord is like a sharp 9, then I like to use a melodic minor scale h-w-h-w-w-w-w

Another good choice for a dominant chord with those specific alterations (#5, #9) is mode five of harmonic minor, i.e., phrygian dominant (a.k.a. phrygian major.)

MrPeepers

05-03-2010, 09:36 PM

matt bellamy, warren haynes

Garcia Bronco

05-03-2010, 09:38 PM

Are you talking about modes or Scales?

You are correct, Modes.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 09:41 PM

Whole tone is a good scale choice for any dominant chord with a #5 or b5.

However, as with all symmetrical scales, you have to be careful that your lines don't end up sounding too much like patterns (and thus predictable.)

The solution to this is to keep your whole tone lines fairly short and to integrate them with other scales, e.g., pentatonic, melodic minor, etc, so that you just get the "flavor" of the whole tone scale without it being too obvious.

Melodic minor a half step up from the root of the chord, I assume you mean?

No I meant if chord was:

c7 #5 #9- c-e-g#-Bb-d# I will play:

Melodic Minor- c c# d# e f# g# Bb c

All the notes match but obviously there are tons of stuff you can do right. These scales to chords are just the common ones I was taught.

Another trick on this chord is to play a pentatonic scale starting on the sharp 4. That hits all the cool extensions #4 #5 b7 b9 #9

The problem is my brain still doesn't access this information fast enough when playing. I will keep working though. It has made me miles ahead of the other blues/rock/funk players though LABF. When I met Blue Lou Marini and got to talk with him his advice was play what you love, but always study jazz. So that's what I did.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 09:44 PM

Another good choice for a dominant chord with those specific alterations (#5, #9) is mode five of harmonic minor, i.e., phrygian dominant (a.k.a. phrygian major.)

That I don't know but am working trying to understand the modes better.

could you please explain a little more

Quoydogs

05-03-2010, 09:46 PM

No I meant if chord was:

c7 #5 #9- c-e-g#-Bb-d# I will play:

Melodic Minor- c c# d# e f# g# Bb c

All the notes match but obviously there are tons of stuff you can do right. These scales to chords are just the common ones I was taught.

Another trick on this chord is to play a pentatonic scale starting on the sharp 4. That hits all the cool extensions #4 #5 b7 b9 #9

The problem is my brain still doesn't access this information fast enough when playing. I will keep working though. It has made me miles ahead of the other blues/rock/funk players though LABF. When I met Blue Lou Marini and got to talk with him his advice was play what you love, but always study jazz. So that's what I did.

Oh yeah well my amps all go to 11 !!!

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 09:46 PM

LABF knows his stuff. Makes me want to go back and re-start my lessons again. The new trumpet player in my band has some serious chops. He's playing playboy mansion coming up. He studied with Charlie Shoemake.

Sort of makes me feel like I can't play but all i really care about is band being good and having a good time, making money.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 09:47 PM

Oh yeah well my amps all go to 11 !!!

But why not just make 10, 11. You know so 10 was loudest?

Quoydogs

05-03-2010, 09:48 PM

But why not just make 10, 11. You know so 10 was loudest?

But mine go to 11 :thanku:

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 09:54 PM

But mine go to 11 :thanku:

What a great movie that was. I love it when they can't find the stage and keep running around backstage.

Quoydogs

05-03-2010, 09:57 PM

Yep love that show. I like that fact that all there drummers keep dieing.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 10:12 PM

So many quotable scenes from that movie. Stonehenge, amp to 11, drummers dying, trying to sign in tune at Elvis Grave and on and on.

Great movie. If I made a list of only 5 movies to have to watch it would probably be one of the comedies. It's a classic. One of the best comedies ever.

maher_tyler

05-03-2010, 10:47 PM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 10:56 PM

No I meant if chord was:

c7 #5 #9- c-e-g#-Bb-d# I will play:

Melodic Minor- c c# d# e f# g# Bb c

The scale you just spelled isn't C melodic minor - it's C altered (a.k.a. super locrian or diminished whole tone.)

The altered scale is actually the seventh mode of the melodic minor scale.

So, to generate the sound of C altered over a C+7(#9) chord, you would play melodic minor scale up a half step from the root of the chord.

C+7(#9) ---> play C# melodic minor.

Another trick on this chord is to play a pentatonic scale starting on the sharp 4. That hits all the cool extensions #4 #5 b7 b9 #9

I'm assuming you're talking about major pentatonic? If so, then you can also think in terms of the relative minor pentatonic and play a minor pentatonic scale a minor third above the root of the chord, e.g., over C+7(#9) play D# minor pentatonic.

Why?

Because there is only one minor pentatonic scale in the melodic minor scale, and it's derived from the second mode (dorian b2.)

What is the root note for the second mode of C# melodic minor?

It's D#.

This minor pentatonic superimposition will give you the same altered sound as melodic minor up a half step described above.

Another cool sound is minor pentatonic a whole step below the root of the chord, e.g., for C+7(#9) play Bb minor pentatonic. :thumbs:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-03-2010, 11:16 PM

That I don't know but am working trying to understand the modes better.

could you please explain a little more

The harmonic minor scale is like a melodic minor scale with a flatted sixth degree.

Or, you can think of it as a natural minor scale with a raised seventh.

Either way, the intervals are: 1, 2, b3, 4, 5, b6, 7.

Example: C harmonic minor = C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, B

Start the above scale on the 5th degree (G) instead of the root, (C) and you have the fifth mode of C harmonic minor: G phrygian dominant (a.k.a. phrygian major.)

G phrygian dominant = G, Ab, B, C, D, Eb, F = 1, b2(b9), 3, 4, 5, b6(b13), b7

As you can see, the scale is a perfect fit for a dominant chord with a b9 and a #5 (or b13.)

In actual practice, the scale is used most commonly over a minor ii-V-I progression, e.g., Dmi7(b5) | G7(#5 b9) | Cmi7, etc.

cutthemdown

05-03-2010, 11:41 PM

LABF is blowing my mind. Thanks dude I am going to read this a few times.

gunns

05-04-2010, 05:24 AM

Hendrix could go at it, but I resent him to this day because of the drug culture he led people into with his talent and charisma. Those were crazy days, people thought he was a god of some kind, tried to imitate him. Dude OD'd on heroin and who knows what else. Those years in the late-60's, early-70's were really bad, just plain crazy. You have no idea what it was like.

I do, and you must have resented most of those that played back then because they were into it also. I sincerely doubt that he led anyone into that drug culture, it was wide open, influences coming from more places than just the music industry and I for one had no idea his drug of choice until he died. Same with Janis. There were a lot who did it that most of us had no idea until much later when we found out they were in drug rehab for it. Not all made the transformation that say a Whitney Houston did. For some the drug did enhance their performances, sad to say.

Rohirrim

05-04-2010, 05:55 AM

The harmonic minor scale is like a melodic minor scale with a flatted sixth degree.

Or, you can think of it as a natural minor scale with a raised seventh.

Either way, the intervals are: 1, 2, b3, 4, 5, b6, 7.

Example: C harmonic minor = C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, B

Start the above scale on the 5th degree (G) instead of the root, (C) and you have the fifth mode of C harmonic minor: G phrygian dominant (a.k.a. phrygian major.)

G phrygian dominant = G, Ab, B, C, D, Eb, F = 1, b2(b9), 3, 4, 5, b6(b13), b7

As you can see, the scale is a perfect fit for a dominant chord with a b9 and a #5 (or b13.)

In actual practice, the scale is used most commonly over a minor ii-V-I progression, e.g., Dmi7(b5) | G7(#5 b9) | Cmi7, etc.

Yikes!

I just put my fingers on the frets and play a little blues. This makes me feel like an amphibian, looking through a film of water up at the land.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-04-2010, 08:29 AM

Yikes!

I just put my fingers on the frets and play a little blues. This makes me feel like an amphibian, looking through a film of water up at the land.

Don't let it scare you - it's just another sound.

Just another color to add to your musical palette (or not.)

I like to have as many colors available to me as possible - even if I don't always use them or just use them sparingly.

Quoydogs

05-04-2010, 09:01 AM

don't let it scare you - it's just another sound.

Just another color to add to your musical palette (or not.)

i like to have as many colors available to me as possible - even if i don't always use them or just use them sparingly.

roy-g-biv

Rohirrim

05-04-2010, 09:02 AM

Don't let it scare you - it's just another sound.

Just another color to add to your musical palette (or not.)

I like to have as many colors available to me as possible - even if I don't always use them or just use them sparingly.

That's just waaaaaaay over my head. I didn't even know there was such stuff.

I should turn in my guitar.

TonyR

05-04-2010, 09:29 AM

Quoydogs

05-04-2010, 09:36 AM

No love for Yngwie Malmsteen? I honestly don't know a lot about him, so certainly not one of my "favorites", just surprised I haven't seen him mentioned since I've heard many times over the years that he's "one of the best ever".

He is kinda like steve Vai to me. He is good for a couple songs but then it is just noise from there.

If you want to listen to some good Guitar go to Pandora and create a station and just put Satriani in there. Man it has put up some good stuff.

TonyR

05-04-2010, 09:58 AM

Time magazines best ever list:

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1916544,00.html

Quoydogs

05-04-2010, 10:49 AM

Time magazines best ever list:

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1916544,00.html

Someone is smoking crack, they put Johnny Ramon,Slash and chuck berry as the top ten. Something is messed up in there head. ROFL! Chuck berry ROFL!

bronclvr

05-04-2010, 11:08 AM

I should turn in my guitar.

This Post reminds me-I'm going to buy a new Acoustic 6 String in the near future-in the last Year or so I bought a new Taylor 855ce (12 string) and LOVE it, so I don't think I'll buy another 12 in my life, the Taylor just does it for me. For a 6 String, I've gone through a few different Guitars in the last 5-8 Years, and I currently have an Ovation Legend, and it's a great Guitar-keeps it's tune, has a narrow nut, a cut-out Body, a fast Fretboard, is Amp ready, has a good sound. Except for the fact that it's a shallow Body (which is great if you want to play by yourself), I really like it.

I'm looking for a Blues Guitar to play some slide, leads and just have some fun with-I have a self imposed $3000.00 limit here, so let's not talk about a Custom Shop special, ok? I'm looking for ideas-it must be a cut-out, have a narrow nut, and a good sound (I won't want to Amplify it)-I want some quality, so the usual suspects are probably best (Martin, Taylor, Gibson, etc.)-anyone have any suggestions? After this, I'm going for a Dobro-Sorry for the hi-jack-

Quoydogs

05-04-2010, 11:19 AM

This Post reminds me-I'm going to buy a new Acoustic 6 String in the near future-in the last Year or so I bought a new Taylor 855ce (12 string) and LOVE it, so I don't think I'll buy another 12 in my life, the Taylor just does it for me. For a 6 String, I've gone through a few different Guitars in the last 5-8 Years, and I currently have an Ovation Legend, and it's a great Guitar-keeps it's tune, has a narrow nut, a cut-out Body, a fast Fretboard, is Amp ready, has a good sound. Except for the fact that it's a shallow Body (which is great if you want to play by yourself), I really like it.

I'm looking for a Blues Guitar to play some slide, leads and just have some fun with-I have a self imposed $3000.00 limit here, so let's not talk about a Custom Shop special, ok? I'm looking for ideas-it must be a cut-out, have a narrow nut, and a good sound (I won't want to Amplify it)-I want some quality, so the usual suspects are probably best (Martin, Taylor, Gibson, etc.)-anyone have any suggestions? After this, I'm going for a Dobro-Sorry for the hi-jack-

Play a National before you pick up the Dobro. I did and it's so much better.

cutthemdown

05-04-2010, 11:20 AM

Don't let it scare you - it's just another sound.

Just another color to add to your musical palette (or not.)

I like to have as many colors available to me as possible - even if I don't always use them or just use them sparingly.

The hard part is getting it to come out in my solos on the fly.

bronclvr

05-04-2010, 11:28 AM

Play a National before you pick up the Dobro. I did and it's so much better.

I will-thanks for the suggestion-

cutthemdown

05-04-2010, 11:28 AM

That's just waaaaaaay over my head. I didn't even know there was such stuff.

I should turn in my guitar.

LOL LABF is the real deal on this stuff Rho. It is tough realizing how much there is too music and also can be discouraging if you try and compare yourself to other players all the time.

I try to look at it more like a personal journey and less of a competition. The cool thing is most musicians see it same way and won't discourage you by showing you up. Most of them well say something good about your playing, then do what LABF does and try to give some pointers or tips to go a little further.

I love music and try not to get discouraged by just accepting there will always be better players then me. Much better players. But unlike sports where you have winners and losers everyone can win playing music. You may not be able to get rich but you can really get a lot out of it.

If it wasn't for making 1/3 of my living off music I don't think I would be very happy.

So even though LABF takes me to school he does it to pass on knowledge not to show me up. Even though on other subjects we don't get a long so well.

Music is powerful and can bring people together.

BlaK-Argentina

05-04-2010, 11:50 AM

John Petrucci - To me, and for the style he plays (which is the one I love) he is the perfect guitarist. Amazing tone, extremely technical, can play about anything yet has great feel. I laugh my ass off at people who say he's just a robot. Listen to this!

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Andy Timmons - Easily top 2 for me. If you don't know this guy, you're really missing out. He would probably be my favorite if he had more solo stuff out.

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Eric Johnson - Love this guy! Really fun to listen to.
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Marco Sfogli - Has worked with Dream Theater's James LaBrie and has a solo album out called There's Hope that's just terrific. Also a great Mesa tone that will blow your socks off!

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Kiko Loureiro - I don't like Angra at all but his solo work is great. He incorporates some brazilian stuff in some songs and it sounds amazing. This is one of my favorite songs:

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-04-2010, 06:13 PM

That's just waaaaaaay over my head. I didn't even know there was such stuff.

I should turn in my guitar.

For me, this is exactly what keeps me interested in music - the understanding that I will never know all there is to know.

I know there will always be new discoveries, new challenges, new conquests, etc., and that I will never get bored or run out of things to do.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

05-04-2010, 06:26 PM

LOL LABF is the real deal on this stuff Rho. It is tough realizing how much there is too music and also can be discouraging if you try and compare yourself to other players all the time.

I try to look at it more like a personal journey and less of a competition. The cool thing is most musicians see it same way and won't discourage you by showing you up. Most of them well say something good about your playing, then do what LABF does and try to give some pointers or tips to go a little further.

I love music and try not to get discouraged by just accepting there will always be better players then me. Much better players. But unlike sports where you have winners and losers everyone can win playing music. You may not be able to get rich but you can really get a lot out of it.

If it wasn't for making 1/3 of my living off music I don't think I would be very happy.

So even though LABF takes me to school he does it to pass on knowledge not to show me up. Even though on other subjects we don't get a long so well.

Music is powerful and can bring people together.

Good post. :thumbsup:

Being around musicians who are more accomplished and/or knowledgeable doesn't need to be discouraging - it can be inspiring and motivating. It's how most of us grow as musicians.

Like you suggested, most musicians I know who can mop the floor with me in terms of ability and/or knowledge are also pretty humble human beings who are willing to share what they know. On those rare occasions when one of these people turns out to be an a$$hole, I've learned to look past the personality in order to get whatever it is I want to learn from that person.

As for the sports comparison, my only complaint is that I wish music were more like sports insofar as the people with the most talent and ability usually get the job and the $$$. ;)

crawdad

05-11-2010, 08:18 AM

I have known this guy for years. He is a helluva guitar player.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Steve-Hunter-40-years-of-making-music/273764478442

crawdad

05-11-2010, 08:24 AM

Check this out as well.

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Classic-Rock-Guitar-Solos/dp/1423468295

Paladin

05-11-2010, 08:39 AM

Whatever happened to Les Paul and Chet Atkins?

(Both, RIP)

Mountain Bronco

05-11-2010, 08:47 AM

Duanne Allman
Eric Clapton
Stevie Ray
John Lee Hooker
Derek Trucks

OABB

05-11-2010, 10:13 AM

Dead serious. Not a fan I take it?

I'm a fan of his, I just thought the thread wad about great guitar players. I was confused sorry.

mkporter

05-11-2010, 11:39 AM

I'm a fan of his, I just thought the thread wad about great guitar players. I was confused sorry.

I think the terms of greatness are subjective as well. If we are talking technical proficiency, then I'm sure that a lot of the other guitarists mentioned in this thread are more technically skilled. I certainly have no expertise in that area. White's strength is in the creativity with which he creates music with his guitar. IMO, there are few other guitarists that are able to express themselves as well through their playing. I think that makes him a great guitarist. But I mostly think he f'ing rocks. :thumbsup:

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

08-22-2010, 05:11 PM

I see that a lot of people have Santana and Stevie Ray Vaughn on there list. Here's a name I didn't see and Santana is saying that she would get baton from him when he stops rockin' out. Meet Orianthi.

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Spider

08-22-2010, 05:25 PM

Elvin Bishop

SJ Bronco

08-22-2010, 05:29 PM

I'm partial to bass

Les Claypool
Flea
Hendricks
Chuck Berry (marvins cousin)
Bo Diddley

SJ Bronco

08-22-2010, 05:36 PM

I think the terms of greatness are subjective as well. If we are talking technical proficiency, then I'm sure that a lot of the other guitarists mentioned in this thread are more technically skilled. I certainly have no expertise in that area. White's strength is in the creativity with which he creates music with his guitar. IMO, there are few other guitarists that are able to express themselves as well through their playing. I think that makes him a great guitarist. But I mostly think he f'ing rocks. :thumbsup:

If you mean Jack White, I'm with you, i think he's up there with the greats, it's subjective. Depends on your tastes. To me, dead leaves and the dirty ground is just pure guitar heaven....

Rigs11

08-22-2010, 05:37 PM

Kirk Hamett
Dimebag Darell
James Hetfield
Eddie Van Halen
Dave Mustaine

The best? No. But my favorites.

Captain 'Dre

08-22-2010, 05:44 PM

Not gonna read the previous 6 pages, but Duane Allman gets my vote.

The guy died at 24, I believe, and was so frickin' far ahead of his time it's scary.

Derek Trucks is the nephew of Butch Trucks-- one of the Allman Brothers Band's two main drummers over the years-- and even though Derek was born after Duane's death, it's obvious when listening to his guitar work that he was exposed to Duane's stuff from the time he was in the cradle.

Duane's phrasing was other-worldly. I've never heard anybody else who resembles him, other than Derek.

I've always been 'moved' by Duane's playing-- Anyone who's heard "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" and "Whipping Post" on the Live at Fillmore East album will probably understand when I say there's a spiritual quality to his work. By that, I mean that his play evokes incredibly strong emotion in the listener in ways that are impossible to explain logically.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

08-24-2010, 07:12 AM

I'm partial to bass

Les Claypool
Flea
Hendricks
Chuck Berry (marvins cousin)
Bo Diddley

If we're including bass players, then here's my list:

Jaco Pastorius
Jimmy Johnson
Gary Willis
Victor Wooten
Alphonso Johnson
Ric Fierabracci
Vale Johnson
Mike Porcaro
Dave Marotta
Abraham Laboriel Sr.
Marcus Miller
Ernie Watts
Steve Bailey
Jimmy Earl
Will Lee
Cliff Hugo
Nathan East
John Pena

Smiling Assassin27

08-24-2010, 08:03 AM

If we're including bass players, then here's my list:

Jaco Pastorius
Jimmy Johnson
Gary Willis
Victor Wooten
Alphonso Johnson
Ric Fierabracci
Vale Johnson
Mike Porcaro
Dave Marotta
Abraham Laboriel Sr.
Marcus Miller
Ernie Watts
Steve Bailey
Jimmy Earl
Will Lee
Cliff Hugo
Nathan East
John Pena

Lots of different styles there. Good list. As for rock bassists, there's a few I dig that are not in the Entwistle/Jack Bruce/Squire tier:

Tom Petersson from Cheap Trick--underrated but like a rock.
Nick Lowe--Dude's mainly known as a songwriter
Sam Yaffa from Hanoi Rocks--another underrated groove meister.
Tom Kriss from the james gang
Bob Daisley from Blizzard of Ozz--grew up on this guy, never got his kudos.
John McVie kicks ass too--that bass/drum combo is in the pocket as they come.
Jimmy Bain--he's known for his Dio work but listen to Rainbow Rising and prepare to be impressed.

Rohirrim

08-24-2010, 06:34 PM

Eric Clapton

Smiling Assassin27

08-26-2010, 07:58 AM

Eric Clapton

Sloppy, slow, unimaginative...blah blah...:giggle:

Quoydogs

08-26-2010, 09:36 AM

Sloppy, slow, unimaginative...blah blah...:giggle:

If I had a rubber hose I would beat you sinless for a statement like that. Oh wait I do have a rubber hose.

Smiling Assassin27

08-26-2010, 10:06 AM

If I had a rubber hose I would beat you sinless for a statement like that. Oh wait I do have a rubber hose.

;D

I dig the guy. Many here instantly jump onto the slag wagon when it comes to Clapton and I don't know why. Dude's earned his stripes and his body of work stands on its own. A steely eyed missile man, to be sure.

Rohirrim

08-26-2010, 02:32 PM

http://listeningroom.lohudblogs.com/files/2009/11/04-jimi-hendrix-103007.jpg

Smiling Assassin27

08-26-2010, 02:37 PM

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:4sI8hksuYk_2JM:http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/3186955/Stevie+Ray+Vaughan+srv+4.jpg

orinjkrush

08-26-2010, 05:11 PM

ted and bill.
followed by wayne and garth.

OABB

08-26-2010, 05:22 PM

I'm a fan of his, I just thought the thread wad about great guitar players. I was confused sorry.

What a douche!

mkporter

08-26-2010, 05:33 PM

If you mean Jack White, I'm with you, i think he's up there with the greats, it's subjective. Depends on your tastes. To me, dead leaves and the dirty ground is just pure guitar heaven....

Yep. Jack White III

ghwk

08-26-2010, 10:15 PM

I was on youtube checkin videos and this has to be the sickest bass player I have seen in a long long time. My god man !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhwWBvlDfu8

Dude is good but i hear Red Hot Chili Peppers all over his jam.

ghwk

08-26-2010, 10:32 PM

Sanborn was my first influence on sax. I still dig him and yes he is one of the greatest as far as jazz fusion goes. For sax more so then many instruments it gets broken into:

funk- Maceo Parker, Lenny Pickett
Bebop-Charlie Parker, Coltrane
West Coast- Cannonball, Stan Getz
The Fusion where guys like Sanborn come in.

Sanborn sort of that guy who did all the R&B stuff, played with Bowie, played with Clapton, so I'm not surprised he makes a lot of lists. He's a great player though no doubt about it. Probably the most copied sound in the history of sax.

Love Sanborn, I played in jazz bands with Paul Taylor and Nelson Rangell but you can't even talk Sax without talking about Stan Getz and I'm not even from his era. Drums? Gotta be Gene Krupa followed b Buddy Rich.

Really it is too bad that the swing era died. My dad raised me on it and there were so many good musicians. This is one of those fun but silly debates because so many guys deserve credit. Clarinet Woody Herman. Trumpet Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie. In their days, Maynard Ferguson and Doc Sevrenson on trumpet. The Dorsey Brothers. It does a disservice to rank them, these cats all had chops.

Modern Day (for me anyway) Steve Gadd and Stanley Clark are two standouts for me along with Chick Corea, Pat Williams Threshold album (good luck finding it) etc. The best thing about music is there are musicians to appreciate and love across all generations and all styles or music.

Rohirrim

08-27-2010, 11:55 AM

I miss George Harrison. Every time I hear one of his leads I get a little pang in the heart. He had a very distinctive, heartfelt, and individual way of playing that always touched me. All things must pass.

Listen to Give Me Love for a good example.

broncosteven

08-27-2010, 12:10 PM

Love Sanborn, I played in jazz bands with Paul Taylor and Nelson Rangell but you can't even talk Sax without talking about Stan Getz and I'm not even from his era. Drums? Gotta be Gene Krupa followed b Buddy Rich.

Really it is too bad that the swing era died. My dad raised me on it and there were so many good musicians. This is one of those fun but silly debates because so many guys deserve credit. Clarinet Woody Herman. Trumpet Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie. In their days, Maynard Ferguson and Doc Sevrenson on trumpet. The Dorsey Brothers. It does a disservice to rank them, these cats all had chops.

Modern Day (for me anyway) Steve Gadd and Stanley Clark are two standouts for me along with Chick Corea, Pat Williams Threshold album (good luck finding it) etc. The best thing about music is there are musicians to appreciate and love across all generations and all styles or music.

My guitar teacher is a big Stan Getz fan. I prefer Coltrane and Rollins but have a large Getz collection because she talked him up so much.

I would take Maynard and Doc off that list and go Bix Beiderbecke, Clark Terry, Chet Baker along with Armstrong and early Davis.

The great thing about Jazz and Classical is that you always find a new layer with each listen. Pop/rock are fun but once you get the beat and rif there is not much meat left on the song as the changes are usually generic.

broncosteven

08-27-2010, 12:17 PM

Love Sanborn, I played in jazz bands with Paul Taylor and Nelson Rangell but you can't even talk Sax without talking about Stan Getz and I'm not even from his era. Drums? Gotta be Gene Krupa followed b Buddy Rich.

Really it is too bad that the swing era died. My dad raised me on it and there were so many good musicians. This is one of those fun but silly debates because so many guys deserve credit. Clarinet Woody Herman. Trumpet Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie. In their days, Maynard Ferguson and Doc Sevrenson on trumpet. The Dorsey Brothers. It does a disservice to rank them, these cats all had chops.

Modern Day (for me anyway) Steve Gadd and Stanley Clark are two standouts for me along with Chick Corea, Pat Williams Threshold album (good luck finding it) etc. The best thing about music is there are musicians to appreciate and love across all generations and all styles or music.

This is a great album also I was unaware of Bob Scobey until I picked this cd up at the library: http://www.discogs.com/Bing-Crosby-With-Bob-Scobeys-Frisco-Jazz-Band-Bing-With-A-Beat/release/709166

BroncoBuff

09-08-2010, 09:06 AM

The 5 best, or 5 you like the most?

I like the most:

1. Jimmy Page
2. Robin Trower
3. Peter Frampton
4. Tom Scholz/Barry Goudreau
4. L.A. BRONCOS FAN

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-08-2010, 08:09 PM

The 5 best, or 5 you like the most?

I like the most:

1. Jimmy Page
2. Robin Trower
3. Peter Frampton
4. Tom Scholz/Barry Goudreau
4. L.A. BRONCOS FAN

You're too kind, sir.

I don't belong anywhere near that list, but thanks just the same. :thumbsup:

Hogan11

09-09-2010, 03:02 PM

5 of my faves:

Jimi Hendrix
Robert Fripp
Adrian Belew
Ira Kaplan
John McLaughlin

What I didn't realize until I looked at the list is that all of them (with the exception of John McLaughin) are self taught. How cool is that?

BroncoBuff

09-09-2010, 03:59 PM

I like the most:

1. Jimmy Page
2. Robin Trower
3. Peter Frampton
4. Tom Scholz/Barry Goudreau
4. L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Might seem a bit "lowbrow" to put Tom Scholz/Barry Goudreau on my list, but every time I hear a Boston song I'm reminded how truly remarkable they were. Yes, the band's sound was an over-produced power-pop margarine, but those guitars, wow. Some of the 'wow' was Scholz' Rockman technology, that hyper-compressed infinite sustain, but I think most of it was just plain brilliant writing and technique. Solos that last 90 seconds and more - much of it in two-guitar harmony - they were songs in their own right. Hitchin a Ride especially - those guitars wind endlessly and melodically through chorus, verse and bridge, for at least half the song, all without a voice to be heard.

I can see you rolling your eyes now, Hogan, before I even post this. But how about maybe just throw on Hitchin' a Ride or Long Time? Just once before you mock me?

Hogan11

09-09-2010, 04:11 PM

Might seem a bit "lowbrow" to put Tom Scholz/Barry Goudreau on my list, but every time I hear a Boston song I'm reminded how truly remarkable they were. Yes, the band's sound was an over-produced power-pop margarine, but those guitars, wow. Some of the 'wow' was Scholz' Rockman technology, that hyper-compressed infinite sustain, but I think most of it was just plain brilliant writing and technique. Solos that last 90 seconds and more - much of it in two-guitar harmony - they were songs in their own right. Hitchin a Ride especially - those guitars wind endlessly and melodically through chorus, verse and bridge, for at least half the song, all without a voice to be heard.

I can see you rolling your eyes now, Hogan, before I even post this. But how about maybe just throw on Hitchin' a Ride or Long Time? Just once before you mock me?

Uh, you better get your eyes checked then, because I won't mock you at all when it comes to early Boston. What you've said, I pretty much agree with. An economical 90 second solo sometimes is all that's needed to convey the feeling and is (in most instances) much more effective than endless showboating. Just MO of course.

The self titled Boston album incidently was the very first LP I ever bought with my own money. I got it when it came out (1976) after hearing the Long Time single on the juke box at the local arcade. I've hung onto it and it's still in near mint condition after all these years...I was all of ten years old.

The only issue one can have with Boston's debut is that it's been overplayed to death. Even given that, just giving the "classic rock radio station hits" a rest and going with the album tracks (Hitch A Ride, Smokin', Let Me Take You Home Tonight, et. al.) is an effective remedy for such things.

BroncoBuff

09-09-2010, 04:34 PM

Hogan11

09-09-2010, 04:43 PM

This conversation reminds me of a similar kind of band controversy, about a band I liked when I was young.

That's probably why I'm defensive about this, because I was always having to explain why I liked the Beach Boys.

You can find some great Beach Boys discussion in the archives here (if they haven't been deleted yet) Amesj was a huge fan and it was fun doing the Beatles vs Beach Boys debates with him (he hated The Beatles BTW and got really upset at the notion that Wilson ripped off Chuck Berry riffs for a bunch of their early hits Ha!)

BroncoBuff

09-09-2010, 04:51 PM

Hated the Beatles? I can't even wrap my mind around such a bizarre opinion.

Hogan11

09-09-2010, 04:58 PM

Hated the Beatles? I can't wrap my mind around that one.

It's true...he thought they were very overrated.

I had this theory I talked out with him regarding the popularity of acts like The Beach Boys, The Four Seasons, etc. in the US vs. the British Invasion (mainly the lack of a doo wop/vocal group tradition in the UK leading to more experimentation there as opposed to here where the BB's & 4S were kinda morphed from that whole 50's vocal genre).

I miss the guy really. They were great discussions that never got mean spirited or anything because you could reason with him. It was a lot like sitting around talking about things over a few beers...none of that internet warrior persona crap ever.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2010, 01:44 AM

Some of the 'wow' was Scholz' Rockman technology...

I still use the Scholz Stereo Chorus/Delay on occasion. That unit is one of the earliest and, IMO, one of the best rack mount analog stereo choruses ever made. The sound is nice and warm, and it's totally transparent - i.e., doesn't suck the life out of your guitar tone like digital processors.

There's also still a Scholz MIDI Octopus living in one of my racks out in the garage somewhere. ;)

Rohirrim

09-11-2010, 08:39 AM

The Beatles were overrated? WTF? I still listen to some of their songs with amazement. Listen to the harmony in the break on Another Girl. I've been listening to it over and over. That sound could separate cream from milk. The amazing thing about the Beatles is that they just tossed this stuff out while having a very good time. They were the tap, and the sound just kept flowing out of them.

I'm not much into the guitar rippers anymore. I can't think of the last time I even listened to somebody ripping off a solo. I prefer more melody connected combinations, like Stills and Neil Young on Bluebird or Ry Cooder on How Can You Keep on Movin'. BTW, every heard Cooder play mandolin? Listen to a song called FDR in Trinidad where he plays guitar and mandolin. My favorite solo rippers are probably Hendrix, Pete Townsend and David Gilmour, but even they weren't doing major finger gymnastics for speed and competitive value. They were creating sound journals.

Never heard LABF. He should post a vid. ;D

Hogan11

09-11-2010, 04:06 PM

The Beatles were overrated? WTF? I still listen to some of their songs with amazement. Listen to the harmony in the break on Another Girl. I've been listening to it over and over. That sound could separate cream from milk. The amazing thing about the Beatles is that they just tossed this stuff out while having a very good time. They were the tap, and the sound just kept flowing out of them.

I know, but that's the way Amesj was. He just plain didn't care for The Beatles and felt The Beach Boys were more important and influentual :kiddingme

As crazy as that notion seems to us, I have no doubt that he sincerely believed it.

I'm not much into the guitar rippers anymore. I can't think of the last time I even listened to somebody ripping off a solo. I prefer more melody connected combinations, like Stills and Neil Young on Bluebird or Ry Cooder on How Can You Keep on Movin'. BTW, every heard Cooder play mandolin? Listen to a song called FDR in Trinidad where he plays guitar and mandolin. My favorite solo rippers are probably Hendrix, Pete Townsend and David Gilmour, but even they weren't doing major finger gymnastics for speed and competitive value. They were creating sound journals.

I agree.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-15-2010, 08:25 AM

The Beatles were overrated? WTF?

:laugh:

What kind of crack smoker would believe that?

It's one thing to say "I don't care for The Beatles' music," but to say "The Beatles are overrated" is just monumentally ignorant.

BroncoBuff

09-17-2010, 07:08 AM

I still use the Scholz Stereo Chorus/Delay on occasion. That unit is one of the earliest and, IMO, one of the best rack mount analog stereo choruses ever made. The sound is nice and warm, and it's totally transparent - i.e., doesn't suck the life out of your guitar tone like digital processors.

There's also still a Scholz MIDI Octopus living in one of my racks out in the garage somewhere. ;)

It's an oft-repeated maxim, but analog does have a warmth that digital lacks ... at least early digital.

How about a full rundown of your entire setup? Top to bottom, everything.

If you don't wanna post here, shoot me a pm.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-17-2010, 08:55 AM

It's an oft-repeated maxim, but analog does have a warmth that digital lacks ... at least early digital.

Any digital.

How about a full rundown of your entire setup? Top to bottom, everything.

I use different rigs for different jobs, but my typical setup is pretty simple these days. First rule of thumb is to keep my entire signal chain analog from start to finish.

Two of my most frequently-used pedal boards are as follows:

Large board: Ibanez Tube Screamer, Xotic RC Booster, AYA R-Comp Compressor, Voodoo Labs Micro Vibe, (Univibe clone) Arion SCH-1 Stereo Chorus, MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay, Electro-Harmonix Memory Man.

All of these pedals are controlled with a Carl Martin Octa-Switch (true bypass looper/switcher.)

Small grab-and-go board: Danelectro Drive Pedal, Ibanez AD-9 Analog Delay, MXR Stereo Chorus, Maestro Wah/Volume Pedal.

Guitars that see the most duty: James Tyler Classic Customs, John Suhr Classics, Fender Strats, (various years) Gibson Les Pauls, Gibson SG Standard, Gibson ES-345, Gibson ES-339.

Favorite amps: VHT Pitbull 45, Fender Deluxe Reverb, THD Bi-Valve 30.

BroncoBuff

09-24-2010, 02:12 AM

I use different rigs for different jobs, but my typical setup is pretty simple these days. First rule of thumb is to keep my entire signal chain analog from start to finish.
Very interesting ... seems a bit counter-intuitive, but like we mentioned, analog has a warmth digital lacks. Similar to tubes having a warmth transistors lack.

Sometimes "progress" sucks.

Two of my most frequently-used pedal boards are as follows:
Large board: Ibanez Tube Screamer, Xotic RC Booster, AYA R-Comp Compressor, Voodoo Labs Micro Vibe, (Univibe clone) Arion SCH-1 Stereo Chorus, MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay, Electro-Harmonix Memory Man.

I know most of those pedals from the early 80s ... I bought a very early Tube Screamer, Summer '81. Seemed less of a distortion pedal, more of a booster, a grinder. Probably works great with a tube amp already on overdrive. I had an MXR Phase 90, hardly used it ... Boss chorus was the workhorse. It always seemed to me Electro-Harmonix pedals were noisy as hell, but I only tried a few. Used one on "Driven to Tears," it was great ... definitely captured the Andy Summers sound.

Was that MXR delay pedal dark greenish? Either that or light gray, one was a line-driver, the other a delay.

Small grab-and-go board: Danelectro Drive Pedal, Ibanez AD-9 Analog Delay, MXR Stereo Chorus, Maestro Wah/Volume Pedal.
Cool stuff, but the variety makes my choices seem so ... pedestrian, so predictable. What Wah pedal did I have? Say it with me ... Cry Baby wah. Of course. What is that Maestro like?

Guitars that see the most duty: James Tyler Classic Customs, John Suhr Classics, Fender Strats, (various years) Gibson Les Pauls, Gibson SG Standard, Gibson ES-345, Gibson ES-339.
I know you love the James Tyler, but I always thought you were a Les Paul snob. Lots of guys are, and you've never mentioned one. Again, my choices sound boring ... a black LP standard was always my go-to guitar. Was all set to put a coil tap in the neck position when that damn thing was stolen.

Favorite amps: VHT Pitbull 45, Fender Deluxe Reverb, THD Bi-Valve 30.
All combos? Never would've guessed it ... I figured you for maybe a Mesa Road King head, with some kind of 4x12 cabinet.

Hey, did you ever see this post? http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1987541&postcount=72

My Tele i mention there is exactly like the one JP talks about, that he used on the Stairway solo ... on that model year only, 1966, the pickup switch can be set between neck and middle and it goes out of phase.

BroncoBuff

09-24-2010, 02:24 AM

Quoted it wrong ... I guess all the 66 and earlier Telecasters did that according to Page.

Here's the quote from that (infamous) Guitar Player Magazine interview:

JIMMY PAGE: "The telecasters changed rapidly; you could
tell because you could split the pickups - you
know that split sound you get - and again you
could get an out-of-phase sound. and then
suddenly they didn't do it anymore. so they
obviously changed the electronics. and there
didn't seem to be any way to get it back. i tried
to fiddle around with the wiring, but it didn't
work, so i just went back to the old one again."Read more: http://www.led-zeppelin.org/reference/index.php?m=int23#ixzz10R9vCTtz

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5510/teleel.jpg
Looks a lot like the one used by Jimmy Page
Its like a relic from a different age
Could be ...Oo-ee

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-24-2010, 04:52 AM

I know most of those pedals from the early 80s ... I bought a very early Tube Screamer, Summer '81. Seemed less of a distortion pedal, more of a booster, a grinder. Probably works great with a tube amp already on overdrive. I had an MXR Phase 90, hardly used it ... Boss chorus was the workhorse. It always seemed to me Electro-Harmonix pedals were noisy as hell, but I only tried a few. Used one on "Driven to Tears," it was great ... definitely captured the Andy Summers sound.

My Tube Screamer is actually a TS-10 made in the late 80s but modded to vintage TS-808 specs by this guy: http://www.analogman.com/ (he makes some other really nice pedals, BTW.)

I'm using that newer EHX Stereo Memory Man pedal exclusively for the backwards echo effect (love that!) It's digital, but it lives in its own isolated, true bypass loop, so it's completely removed from my signal path when not in use.

Was that MXR delay pedal dark greenish?

The analog delay?

Yes - it's sort of dark green metal flake.

Cool stuff, but the variety makes my choices seem so ... pedestrian, so predictable.

Not at all, dude.

These things are all ultimately just means to an end, i.e., tools to get the job done.

The nature of that job is different for us all.

I'm sure you've seen plenty of those non-pros out there who buy gear just so they can say "look at all the cool toys I own."

That attitude is really misguided, IMO.

Bottom line: Getting YOUR sound is all that matters - even if that sound is achieved with just a guitar, a cable, and an amp. I couldn't care less how it looks, or how prestigious it is - all I care about is the sound.

What Wah pedal did I have? Say it with me ... Cry Baby wah. Of course. What is that Maestro like?

How I acquired the Maestro is a weird story. I recently re-connected with an old drummer friend I hadn't seen in ~25 years. This guy had been keeping the Maestro pedal in his garage for 25 years because he thought it was mine and that I had left it at his house! When I assured him the pedal didn't belong to me, he insisted I take it anyway. Anyway, when I got home, I plugged the pedal in and was floored by how great it sounded. Nailed the vintage sounds you would associate with Trower, Hendrix, Marino, et al. I immediately ditched the Crybaby pedal I was using and replaced it with the Maestro.

I know you love the James Tyler, but I always thought you were a Les Paul snob. Lots of guys are, and you've never mentioned one.

Not me - I'm a Strat guy, through and through. When I pick up a Gibson, it's usually because a producer asks for it, or because it fits a specific part or track.

All combos? Never would've guessed it ... I figured you for maybe a Mesa Road King head, with some kind of 4x12 cabinet.

I've thinned the herd considerably where bigger concert rigs are concerned because it's easier just to use the back line provided by most promoters at larger gigs. Plus, traveling with any sort of extra freight is sort of a thing of the past in the post-9/11 world.

As for Mesa - never been a fan (early MK-II combos are the exception.)

I'm more of a single-ended class A (or class A/B in the case of vintage Fenders) man.

Hey, did you ever see this post? http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1987541&postcount=72

Looks like the image link is dead.

BroncoBuff

09-24-2010, 05:31 AM

Looks like the image link is dead.

Just recounting the story behind the Jimmy Page-described Telecaster I once owned, in the pic above.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3299/57345478.jpg

You say "anything that gets the job done" fine, but you are a purist. I recall recommending this Line 6 combo amp (http://line6.com/spideriii75/) to Requiem, because it had 7 effects on board and was just $250. But you were adamant, "you want the proper tone, spend a bit more for the tube amp, and get the effects later." You're a professional, so that's correct ... but Req is still a kid, he wants the "cool" echo and distortion ;D

Here's a Line 6 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-Spider-Valve-212-MkII-40W-2x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=620218&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=410758751) you might even like. Kind of. It's a 6L6-12AX7 valve combo. Actually, you wouldn't like it, the effects are digital.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-24-2010, 05:44 AM

Just recounting the story behind the Jimmy Page-described Telecaster I once owned, in the pic above.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3299/57345478.jpg

You say "anything that gets the job done" fine, but you are a purist. I recall recommending this Line 6 combo amp (http://line6.com/spideriii75/) to Requiem, because it had 7 effects on board and was just $250. But you were adamant, "you want the proper tone, spend a bit more for the tube amp, and get the effects later." You're a professional, so that's correct ... but Req is still a kid, he wants the "cool" echo and distortion ;D

Here's a Line 6 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-Spider-Valve-212-MkII-40W-2x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=620218&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=410758751) you might even like. Kind of. It's a 6L6-12AX7 valve combo. Actually, you wouldn't like it, the effects are digital.

Wow - I forgot about that.

What did he end up getting, anyway?

On the real side, unless you're a working pro, there's no "correct" choice - just whatever brings you the most enjoyment.

I would still recommend starting with the best guitar/tube amp combo within your means just to establish a baseline or "ground zero" for pure, unadulterated guitar tone. Then, when you start adding effects, you can really hear what a given effect does (if anything) to the integrity of your sound.

I think it was Trower who once told an interviewer "I already like the sound of the guitar - all I want to do is amplify it." ^5