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BMarsh615
05-02-2010, 08:30 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday-at-the-Post-8060.html

1. I watched Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow work in practice on Friday in Denver, and he appeared very confident. His delivery is more compact, and his knowledge of the offense is impressive. Now, if the Broncos can get his lower body in rhythm, he’ll be ready to compete at the highest level.

2. Speaking of Broncos quarterbacks, everyone in the organization has been impressed with the work of former Brown Brady Quinn. Quinn has slowed down his movements and, according to the team’s coaches, has improved his accuracy. They’re excited to watch him work, and Denver will have a legitimate competition at quarterback this summer.

3. The other first-round wide receiver, Demaryius Thomas, did not work, nor did third rounder Eric Decker. But Thomas looks the part. He’s a hard worker and competitive player who I suspect will have a very good year as a rookie.

4. Many people have asked me why the 49ers moved up with Denver in the draft to pick offensive tackle Anthony Davis. They were concerned about Green Bay moving ahead of them for Davis and wanted to make sure they got the guy they wanted. Peace of mind is sometimes worth a fourth-round pick.

5. Once Denver picked Demaryius Thomas ahead of Baltimore, it allowed the Ravens to trade out of the first round. The Ravens would not have picked Dez Bryant had he been there, but with Thomas gone, they moved. So essentially, Denver picking Thomas allowed them to get back into the first round. Green Bay did move up to draft Morgan Burnett, who both the Bears and Cowboys would have loved to draft.

tsiguy96
05-02-2010, 08:42 AM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

Drek
05-02-2010, 08:43 AM
5. Once Denver picked Demaryius Thomas ahead of Baltimore, it allowed the Ravens to trade out of the first round. The Ravens would not have picked Dez Bryant had he been there, but with Thomas gone, they moved. So essentially, Denver picking Thomas allowed them to get back into the first round. Green Bay did move up to draft Morgan Burnett, who both the Bears and Cowboys would have loved to draft.

Thats about what I figured happened. Peter King has some good ties within the B'more front office and he had them taking Thomas in the first with his final mock.

Really illustrates the importance of how McDaniels jockeyed for position up and down the draft board throughout day one. If we hadn't traded back with SF before then trading back with Philly we don't have the 4th we sent to New England to get up for Thomas. The Eagles trade obviously gave us the firepower to trade back up into the first from the Dolphin's 2nd rounder and get Tebow.

If we didn't make even one of those moves the entire thing could've fallen apart. We'll see how well it all works out long term but McDaniels made all the right moves during the draft to get who he wanted and still be in position to catch some excellent sliding talent in the 3rd round.

Drek
05-02-2010, 08:45 AM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

How is it backtracking?

Its the same thing he said last year and people wanted to act like he crowned Orton from day one of camp when he really didn't.

Orton is the #1 QB as of now. He earned it last year and so he starts off in the pole position this camp. He's got to earn it though, just like everyone else on the team has to show up and earn it.

He'd have a harder time keeping the locker room together if he just let Orton have the #1 job uncontested while he's asking everyone else to fight for everything they get.

bowtown
05-02-2010, 08:47 AM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

As long as he is starting the QB who gives us the best chance to win, he's no going to lose anyone. At no time has he said under no uncertain terms tht Orton will be the starter all season or even the first game of the season. He said Orton is the starter as of right now, and that that will not change unless someone else proves to be the better QB. I don't know how that could be construed as backtracking.

orange&blue87
05-02-2010, 08:47 AM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

The way I interpreted McDaniels was that Orton was the incumbent, and because of that, he was the starter, but if someone came in and showed that they deserved to be the starter, then they would win the job.

By saying Orton was the starter, all he did was set a depth chart heading into camp. Pretty sure the team would want the best player to lead the team under center, even if that means Tommy B leads them out at Jax.

tsiguy96
05-02-2010, 08:50 AM
i need one more response to really convince me......

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 08:55 AM
i need one more response to really convince me......

I don't think it changes the locker room. He has gotten rid of the Divas so if they go with the best player for the position then the locker room will be just fine.

TheReverend
05-02-2010, 09:05 AM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

The lockerroom is composed of professional football players. They are all well aware that Kyle Orton is not one of them.

baja
05-02-2010, 09:10 AM
The lockerroom is composed of professional football players. They are all well aware that Kyle Orton is not one of them.

What a dumb statement - surprised at you for that.

NYBronco
05-02-2010, 09:12 AM
I would like to see Orton play well for a couple of reasons: for his own personal gain and trade value for the Broncos. Orton played through several injuries last year and with that and in comparison to what Marshall showed cased for the Broncos last year in training camp and the final game, I can easily say Orton is more of a professional.

TheReverend
05-02-2010, 09:21 AM
What a dumb statement - surprised at you for that.


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crowebomber
05-02-2010, 09:51 AM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

There are maybe 8-10 teams in the league where the quarterback has absolutely no reason to worry about his job. Otherwise every team is evaluating that position whether they say so or not. Orton is not among those top 8-10 imo. Now, McD has pretty much set the table for a wide open competition but at least he's saying the right things (Orton is our starter). Even though Orton had a solid year last year, remember that he was a throw-in for the Cutler trade and was viewed by most as just being someone who can fill the void until we get a longterm solution. I am glad that he played so well, but he never exactly put the team on his shoulders and took them to a win. He minimized mistakes and took the team to 8-8.

UberBroncoMan
05-02-2010, 10:06 AM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

"Jay Cutler is our starting quarterback."

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 10:12 AM
"Jay Cutler is our starting quarterback."

He was until he demanded to be traded. So I fail to see your point?

Oh that and Champ Bailey, a Shanahan carry over, said on the Fan that the media made more out of the Cutler fiasco than the locker room. The locker room didn't give it much thought after he was traded.

So yeah whats your point?

Chris
05-02-2010, 10:22 AM
Say what you will about Orton's play but as a football player he is nothing if not professional.

rmsanger
05-02-2010, 10:26 AM
There are maybe 8-10 teams in the league where the quarterback has absolutely no reason to worry about his job. Otherwise every team is evaluating that position whether they say so or not. Orton is not among those top 8-10 imo. Now, McD has pretty much set the table for a wide open competition but at least he's saying the right things (Orton is our starter). Even though Orton had a solid year last year, remember that he was a throw-in for the Cutler trade and was viewed by most as just being someone who can fill the void until we get a longterm solution. I am glad that he played so well, but he never exactly put the team on his shoulders and took them to a win. He minimized mistakes and took the team to 8-8.

Ok let's list them:

100% Secure

Brees
Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Schaub
Rivers
Ryan
McNabb
Romo
Favre (If coming back)

90% - Almost a lock
Flacco
E Manning
Palmer
Sanchez
Henne
E Manning
Rapist (When healthy or not waxxing bathroom floors)
Cutler
Stafford

75% - Probable but open for QB comp
Young (After re-establishing himself last year)
Garrard
Hasselbeck
Cassel
Freeman

The remaining open QB competitions with 2+ true viable options are maybe under 10

Hulamau
05-02-2010, 03:28 PM
How is it backtracking?

Its the same thing he said last year and people wanted to act like he crowned Orton from day one of camp when he really didn't.

Orton is the #1 QB as of now. He earned it last year and so he starts off in the pole position this camp. He's got to earn it though, just like everyone else on the team has to show up and earn it.

He'd have a harder time keeping the locker room together if he just let Orton have the #1 job uncontested while he's asking everyone else to fight for everything they get.

Well said Drek, that's precisely the point. Josh quite rightly said, and means it, that as of now Kyle is our starter. But he also said it will be a competitive position, as are all positions, and the best player through the summer, camp and preseason considering all facits, such as accuracy, mobility, reading defenses, making right choices, comfort with the system, leadership, command of the huddle and team respect will be under center come August.

We have four really good options there and the odds are that Orton will at least start the year as #1 and will keep it so long as he continues to earn it and stays healthy. Tebow wil likely get his special packages to help us score in the redzone and if Kyle goes down it may well be Quinn, at this point, who goes in next as our starting QB this year.

If Tebow suddely develops in lightening speed in all the areas mentioned above, including his mechanics and proves that he is the equal at least to Orton in knowledge of the offense and comfort with NFL speed and reading defenses, and his accuracy is at least on par, if not better, that Orton and Quinn, only then does Tebow likely start with his added dimension of mobility and bulldozer never say die mentality.

But that's a huge long shot this year, and even if that unlikely progress pace were to come about, I still think Kyle would start this year under center, but if he misses a game or two Tebow might then take over and run with it, if he is up to it so soon?

The botomline TSI, is that you can rest easy. Tebow is only going to start when it is clear to not only Josh but the rest of the team watching him daily very closely that he is ready and gives them the best competitive advantage. Guys like Dawkins and Champ want a ring and they will ride with whatever horse gives them the best shot at doing so as soon as possible.

At this point, that is Orton .. but stay tuned as it can and may change a bit sooner than most expect. At least sooner than those who are pegging Tim as a two to three year project.

cutthemdown
05-02-2010, 03:38 PM
If Broncos could get lucky enough for Quinn/Orton/Tebow to all look promising, even Brandstater, maybe they can make a trade for a 4th round pick, 3rd round pick, something for next yr.

Hulamau
05-02-2010, 03:41 PM
"Jay Cutler is our starting quarterback."

Jay Cutler screwed his own pony on that one. Dont blame McD for pouty boy crying his way out of town after stiffen Bowlen. Even after Josh massaged his fragile ego and gave him the vote of confidence and called him our guy with the national press in Florida.

Nope, Josh saying 'Culter was our QB' was just how he felt at the time and if Cutler had played his cards with any maturity at all, he likely still would be .. Even with Tebow now breathin' on his sorry ass heals. Man that would have been a riot to see how Cutler would have reacted to us drafting Tebow in any round :-)!

Orton's response was emphatically more of a man and a professional than Cutler ever will be.

Kaylore
05-02-2010, 03:41 PM
That actually makes me feel very good to know that the Ravens were targeting Demaryius.

RMT
05-02-2010, 03:42 PM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

wouldn't be much different than when shanahan tabbed griese the rookie to start over brister the veteran.

Ray Finkle
05-02-2010, 03:47 PM
Griese wasn't ready when Shanahan tabbed him...

baja
05-02-2010, 03:50 PM
That actually makes me feel very good to know that the Ravens were targeting Demaryius.

How cool was it that we took him which caused B'more to be willing to trade down with us

Kaylore
05-02-2010, 03:52 PM
How cool was it that we took him which caused B'more to be willing to trade down with us

There is a huge degree of awesome in that - to force the great Ozzie into a trade that we wanted in the first place.

tsiguy96
05-02-2010, 03:54 PM
How cool was it that we took him which caused B'more to be willing to trade down with us

yea, i was thinking about that earlier too, it has to make people feel good about this guy, maybe the best GM in the draft got outwitted by mcdaniels moving up to grab the guy ahead of them.

baja
05-02-2010, 03:55 PM
There is a huge degree of awesome in that - to force the great Ozzie into a trade that we wanted in the first place.


Not sure I like what Ozzie rangled out of us though.

UberBroncoMan
05-02-2010, 04:02 PM
The people quoting me and rambling obviously missed the entire point I was getting at.

You see... I was quoting Tsiguy who said...

"im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking."

I responded with "Jay Cutler is our starting QB."

McDaniels was saying that even AFTER the trade was demanded. The entire crazy ****ing ordeal didn't destroy the locker room. Just a small few, like Scheffler, who are now gone.

If that didn't kill the locker room I don't see how another QB change in a team that says "you make your own role" will do this same at this point. Get it?

tsiguy96
05-02-2010, 04:07 PM
Not sure I like what Ozzie rangled out of us though.

a 2 3 and 4 for a #1 is fair, equal value, if you go by the BS depth chart. especially when you consider that mcdaniels got most of those picks in this draft in the first place by moving back, and you cant go into a draft getting 11-12 rookies and hoping to keep them all as opposed to getting 1 guy you really, really like.

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 04:09 PM
The people quoting me and rambling obviously missed the entire point I was getting at.

You see... I was quoting Tsiguy who said...

"im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking."

I responded with "Jay Cutler is our starting QB."

McDaniels was saying that even AFTER the trade was demanded. The entire crazy ****ing ordeal didn't destroy the locker room. Just a small few, like Scheffler, who are now gone.

If that didn't kill the locker room I don't see how another QB change in a team that says "you make your own role" will do this same at this point. Get it?

Ah gotcha, its hard to tell when you have the caption you do under your Avy! ^5

RunSilentRunDeep
05-02-2010, 04:11 PM
wouldn't be much different than when shanahan tabbed griese the rookie to start over brister the veteran.

except that Griese wasn't a rookie. He was on the 1998 championship team.

baja
05-02-2010, 04:12 PM
a 2 3 and 4 for a #1 is fair, equal value, if you go by the BS depth chart. especially when you consider that mcdaniels got most of those picks in this draft in the first place by moving back, and you cant go into a draft getting 11-12 rookies and hoping to keep them all as opposed to getting 1 guy you really, really like.

I think it works out to be about + 70 in their favor in a strong draft. I'm not too unhappy though only because I think Tebow is going to be the "IT" QB we have been looking for since Elway rode off into the sunset.

Popps
05-02-2010, 04:17 PM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

I thought he implied that there would be open competition?

I still think Orton starts, but I'm excited to see how it plays out.

baja
05-02-2010, 04:20 PM
I thought he implied that there would be open competition?

I still think Orton starts, but I'm excited to see how it plays out.

Anybody else think Josh is to QB's what Shanny is to RB's

We are going to get picks for 1 or 2 of those guys before it's all over.

meangene
05-02-2010, 05:33 PM
I think it is interesting Baltimore wanted Thomas and not Dez, as everyone was speculating. This was the first I heard of that.

BowlenBall
05-02-2010, 07:25 PM
There is a huge degree of awesome in that - to force the great Ozzie into a trade that we wanted in the first place.

Unless... the great Ozzie WANTED us to think that we forced him in to a trade that we wanted in the first place....

azbroncfan
05-02-2010, 08:24 PM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

He also said that Tebow will play QB and come into camp and compete for a starting job like everyone else. Every job is earned not given.

FireFly
05-02-2010, 08:52 PM
im seriously concerned about what happens if mcdaniels starts another QB this year besides orton, will he lose the locker room or the press that follows him as saying orton is starter but then backtracking.

Orton is our starter at the moment. And is our starter going into camps - but if he gets out played than I don't think anyone would have a problem with that!

If we have a better player or a player the coach thinks puts us in a better position to win - that player must start regardless of who is our starter going into camp or was starting last year or who got a big off season contract.

FireFly
05-02-2010, 08:54 PM
i need one more response to really convince me......

haha

sorry I didn't even read past your post before I hit "quote" :angel:

ZONA
05-02-2010, 09:04 PM
There is a huge degree of awesome in that - to force the great Ozzie into a trade that we wanted in the first place.

and the fact that ozzie is usually spot on in his picks so makes me think this Thomas kid is really going to pan out.

Cito Pelon
05-03-2010, 08:09 AM
I think it works out to be about + 70 in their favor in a strong draft. I'm not too unhappy though only because I think Tebow is going to be the "IT" QB we have been looking for since Elway rode off into the sunset.

Someone on ESPN (might have been Mort) said Ozzie called Tebow's agent after the trade & pick and told him, "You owe me 25 slabs of ribs for making that trade."

Cito Pelon
05-03-2010, 08:13 AM
and the fact that ozzie is usually spot on in his picks so makes me think this Thomas kid is really going to pan out.

He seems to be a confident kid, big, intelligent, fast, good hands.

zdoor
05-03-2010, 09:39 AM
Just heard Lombardi on Sirius and he pretty much re-iterated what has already been posted but stated again that he thought he was doing better than projected and was ahead in the playbook from where they thought he'd be. Also, stated, which kinda shocked me, that he'd been getting there at 6:00 AM and staying until 1:00 AM...