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TDmvp
04-30-2010, 12:36 PM
Ok I don't know crap about oil spills but it seems like there has to be a better way to clean this crap then how they do it.


I see them with there barriers that float on top the water that is suppose to keep it from move but don't contain it all .


My question ... Would something like this work ??? and if so someone needs to call me LOL ...

A boat with 2 motors one powers boats moment. A second motor like a jet ski sucks water in a hole in the front at about surface depth in the middle of the system have filters to separate the oil and then like a jet ski exit the clean water out the back.

I mean hell if you had a bunch of these and even if it only got like 50% or less per swipe ... at least if you went over and over it you would get way more up then we seem to now...


I know there has to be a reason this wont work but keep wondering about it every time i see a spill ...

Archer81
04-30-2010, 12:41 PM
a 4.2 million gallon oil spill is going to need more then a few speed boat strainers.

If I believed in conspiracies...I'd swear this thing blowing up was intentional...didnt Obama support offshore drilling a few weeks before this spill happened?

:Broncos:

TDmvp
04-30-2010, 12:44 PM
a 4.2 million gallon oil spill is going to need more then a few speed boat strainers.

If I believed in conspiracies...I'd swear this thing blowing up was intentional...didnt Obama support offshore drilling a few weeks before this spill happened?

:Broncos:



I wanted to use ship size boats But size was always what i figured was key issue.

Archer81
04-30-2010, 12:48 PM
I wanted to use ship size boats But size was always what i figured was key issue.


If the US is going to utilize our offshore oil deposits, you would think they would figure out a way to quickly contain and clean oil spills.


:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2010, 12:49 PM
What a crapsandwich this whole thing is. Just when the fed gov looks like it will expand domestic oil production this catastrophe happens and could have a huge impact on the gulf coast as far as fishing/shrimping/tourism etc.

Wow, I'd go medieval on the oil rig owners if I'm Obama. He's already up against a wall with the ultra left for allowing future oil development. Now they are going to say "see, a-hole, we told you so, you sell out!".

Not good. Not good for anyone in this country what happening with this environmental nightmare.

TDmvp
04-30-2010, 12:54 PM
If the US is going to utilize our offshore oil deposits, you would think they would figure out a way to quickly contain and clean oil spills.


:Broncos:

Yea man that would seem to be a idea they should have already had , but didn't...


I mean I see how they try to fight spills and it just looks ancient.

broncocalijohn
04-30-2010, 01:10 PM
a 4.2 million gallon oil spill is going to need more then a few speed boat strainers.

If I believed in conspiracies...I'd swear this thing blowing up was intentional...didnt Obama support offshore drilling a few weeks before this spill happened?

:Broncos:

i thought of that too but didnt want to go the McGoofey way. You never know, but I am a big supporter of off shore drilling but if you dont have an emergency plan to cap the oil, I wouldnt allow anymore to be built until there is a sure way of implementing a plan. We should be drilling on land up in the Dakotas. This is a man made disaster and I guarantee Obama will put a hold on any future drilling sites until review. If it was sabatoged, it probably worked. Environmental nuts would do something this drastic and claim it is better for this to happen to prevent future spills.

Archer81
04-30-2010, 01:13 PM
i thought of that too but didnt want to go the McGoofey way. You never know, but I am a big supporter of off shore drilling but if you dont have an emergency plan to cap the oil, I wouldnt allow anymore to be built until there is a sure way of implementing a plan. We should be drilling on land up in the Dakotas. This is a man made disaster and I guarantee Obama will put a hold on any future drilling sites until review. If it was sabatoged, it probably worked. Environmental nuts would do something this drastic and claim it is better for this to happen to prevent future spills.


I thought I read somewhere that this particular floating rig had been checked out and was good to go. Odd that a few weeks after it is inspected and the president opens up oil drilling offshore that this thing blows up.

:Broncos:

peacepipe
04-30-2010, 01:20 PM
What a crapsandwich this whole thing is. Just when the fed gov looks like it will expand domestic oil production this catastrophe happens and could have a huge impact on the gulf coast as far as fishing/shrimping/tourism etc.

Wow, I'd go medieval on the oil rig owners if I'm Obama. He's already up against a wall with the ultra left for allowing future oil development. Now they are going to say "see, a-hole, we told you so, you sell out!".

Not good. Not good for anyone in this country what happening with this environmental nightmare.
IDK if you,ve seen any of the news conf. but they have been reffering tp BP as the "responsible party". After the Valdez in 1990 we passed a law requiring that whatever oil comp.(reponsible party) is reponsible for the complete cost of the clean up.

Houshyamama
04-30-2010, 01:28 PM
Just sue the bajeezus out of British Petroleum.

snowspot66
04-30-2010, 01:37 PM
BP was leasing the rig. BP and whoever owned the thing are in for a world of hurt. They ****ed up bad and to make it worse they made the President of the United States of all people eat a major **** sandwich. Not exactly the office you want to embarrass. It won't be pretty for them.

Archer81
04-30-2010, 01:40 PM
BP was leasing the rig. BP and whoever owned the thing are in for a world of hurt. They ****ed up bad and to make it worse they made the President of the United States of all people eat a major **** sandwich. Not exactly the office you want to embarrass. It won't be pretty for them.


...Unless it was an act of sabotage...



:Broncos:

peacepipe
04-30-2010, 01:40 PM
...Unless it was an act of sabotage...



:Broncos:Sabotaged by who?

Archer81
04-30-2010, 01:42 PM
Sabotaged by who?


Exactly...

I really dont know. it seems investigating the cause of the explosion is secondary with all the crude being spilled into the gulf.

It could be a complete accident.

It could be malfeasance (sp) by BP.

It could be sabotage.

:Broncos:

peacepipe
04-30-2010, 01:46 PM
ultimately, BP is responsible for the cost,even if there was sabotage(which I doubt) that would mean that BP would have to hope that the sabotor is good for the money to reimberse what BP is about to spend in this mess.

Archer81
04-30-2010, 01:47 PM
ultimately, BP is responsible for the cost,even if there was sabotage(which I doubt) that would mean that BP would have to hope that the sabotor is good for the money to reimberse what BP is about to spend in this mess.


Not disagreeing.

Just fleshing out possibilities.


:Broncos:

mkporter
04-30-2010, 01:50 PM
i thought of that too but didnt want to go the McGoofey way. You never know, but I am a big supporter of off shore drilling but if you dont have an emergency plan to cap the oil, I wouldnt allow anymore to be built until there is a sure way of implementing a plan. We should be drilling on land up in the Dakotas. This is a man made disaster and I guarantee Obama will put a hold on any future drilling sites until review. If it was sabatoged, it probably worked. Environmental nuts would do something this drastic and claim it is better for this to happen to prevent future spills.

From what I've read, the device that is supposed to shut off the flow (on the sea floor) is the device that failed, allowing both the original explosion, and preventing them from stopping the spill now. This valve was supposed to have multiple fail-safe features, and be the emergency solution to cap the well. An ideal device to sabotage for sure, but pretty hard to do 5000 ft under sea.

When I first heard the plan to ignite the oil, I was envisioning an 80x120 mile bonfire. Now that's a party.

Fedaykin
04-30-2010, 01:53 PM
Ok I don't know crap about oil spills but it seems like there has to be a better way to clean this crap then how they do it.


I see them with there barriers that float on top the water that is suppose to keep it from move but don't contain it all .


My question ... Would something like this work ??? and if so someone needs to call me LOL ...

A boat with 2 motors one powers boats moment. A second motor like a jet ski sucks water in a hole in the front at about surface depth in the middle of the system have filters to separate the oil and then like a jet ski exit the clean water out the back.

I mean hell if you had a bunch of these and even if it only got like 50% or less per swipe ... at least if you went over and over it you would get way more up then we seem to now...


I know there has to be a reason this wont work but keep wondering about it every time i see a spill ...


You're basically describing a silly version of a skimmer. A skimmer is a ship that skims the oil off the surface of the water, much like cream is skimmed off of milk. They are used in conjunction with the booms. The booms corral the oil and the skimmers collect it.

Houshyamama
04-30-2010, 02:03 PM
ultimately, BP is responsible for the cost,even if there was sabotage(which I doubt) that would mean that BP would have to hope that the sabotor is good for the money to reimberse what BP is about to spend in this mess.

Agreed. Exxon spent BILLIONS to clean up the Valdez spill, which was a relatively remote region compared to the extremely important Gulf of Mexico, economically speaking. This is going to have a huge impact on algal populations which will probably DEVASTATE the area's fishing industry, which generates something like 2/3rd of the mainlands seafood supply. BP is going to be on the hook for INCREDIBLE amounts of money.

Houshyamama
04-30-2010, 02:05 PM
You're basically describing a silly version of a skimmer. A skimmer is a ship that skims the oil off the surface of the water, much like cream is skimmed off of milk. They are used in conjunction with the booms. The booms corral the oil and the skimmers collect it.

And seeing that the oil collects on the surface only about 10mm thick, doing anything other than skimming the surface is counter-productive.

broncocalijohn
04-30-2010, 02:05 PM
When I first heard the plan to ignite the oil, I was envisioning an 80x120 mile bonfire. Now that's a party.

makes the Burning Man festival look like a Smores campout with the girl scouts.

Rohirrim
04-30-2010, 02:16 PM
Just give Tebow a straw.


Problem solved.

mkporter
04-30-2010, 02:17 PM
makes the Burning Man festival look like a Smores campout with the girl scouts.

Combining girl scouts and Burning Man puts very inappropriate images in my head.

zowie!

TDmvp
04-30-2010, 02:23 PM
You're basically describing a silly version of a skimmer. A skimmer is a ship that skims the oil off the surface of the water, much like cream is skimmed off of milk. They are used in conjunction with the booms. The booms corral the oil and the skimmers collect it.

Thx man ....

I have never seen the skimmer ships or had seen and didn't realize what they was... I figured there HAD TO BE something that "skims"

But knowing nothing of the topic I figured I'd where I always ask ... The Mane hehe ... You all are like my go to place for random info ,even more so than football I think :O) ...

Rigs11
04-30-2010, 03:03 PM
they need to make a giant vacuum like in Spaceballs.

http://blog.foolsmountain.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/megamaid-spaceballs.jpg

mizzoutigers
04-30-2010, 03:05 PM
di*khead messiah only waited 8 days to address it

peacepipe
04-30-2010, 03:36 PM
di*khead rightard ignoring we responded to this from day 1.

DarkHorse30
04-30-2010, 03:57 PM
di*khead messiah only waited 8 days to address it

i guess he needed a katrina moment. Send janet noballs itano....that will surely help.....

mizzoutigers
04-30-2010, 04:00 PM
di*k rightard ignoring we responded to this from day 1.

take your peacepipe and shove it where liberals like to be poked

Rohirrim
04-30-2010, 04:04 PM
Look! Mizzou is back!

http://moranswithsigns.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/moran-sign.jpg

NYBronco
04-30-2010, 04:07 PM
Just don't ask Exxon how to clean the mess up.

mizzoutigers
04-30-2010, 04:08 PM
http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ksmjk0.jpg

NYBronco
04-30-2010, 04:12 PM
http://www.matteroftrust.org/programs/hairmatsinfo.html

Donate your hair to clean up oil spill... seriously!

wandlc
04-30-2010, 10:48 PM
There are micro-organism that eat oil but the Feds won't allow them to be used. Also the use of surfactants is banned. Both would greatly reduce the damage caused and speed up the clean up.

Cito Pelon
05-01-2010, 08:03 AM
Some years ago a study was done about how to absorb oil spills, and they found that human hair was the best way to absorb oil. I kid you not.

chadta
05-01-2010, 08:12 AM
http://www.matteroftrust.org/programs/hairmatsinfo.html

Donate your hair to clean up oil spill... seriously!

- every type of hair is fine (straight, curly, all colors, dyed, permed, straightened...) but only HEAD hair, please!

:thumbs:

UberBroncoMan
05-01-2010, 02:20 PM
This oil spill really gets me down. It's going ****ing own the fishers around on the gulf coast.

UberBroncoMan
05-01-2010, 02:22 PM
a 4.2 million gallon oil spill is going to need more then a few speed boat strainers.

If I believed in conspiracies...I'd swear this thing blowing up was intentional...didnt Obama support offshore drilling a few weeks before this spill happened?

:Broncos:

There's actually some belief going on that this was sabotage. By who is anyone's guess. Could be an anti-drilling groups, a ****ed up employee, who ****ing knows. I know one thing though. This even is going to take away tons of support from offshore drilling. Guess we need to rely on the Middle East and dictatorial countries like Venezuela forever.

ScottXray
05-01-2010, 03:39 PM
There's actually some belief going on that this was sabotage. By who is anyone's guess. Could be an anti-drilling groups, a ****ed up employee, who ****ing knows. I know one thing though. This even is going to take away tons of support from offshore drilling. Guess we need to rely on the Middle East and dictatorial countries like Venezuela forever.

No....raise the mileage standards and get Detroit/Japan SERIOUS about alternative fuels. When Gas gets at or over $5 a gallon people will park their SUVS and +300 HP V8/V6 rigs and start clamoring for more efficient vehicles, like so many in Europe and Japan. Big move to diesel and smaller cars coming ( if we had just gone ahead and continued to implement Carters environmental,vehicle standards, we wouldn't be in this mess so much).

All this is going to give more impetus to electric / hybrid vehicles, and the oil companies are going to be more restricted off shore. Of course they'll just raise the price as demand falls off.

gyldenlove
05-01-2010, 05:59 PM
There are micro-organism that eat oil but the Feds won't allow them to be used. Also the use of surfactants is banned. Both would greatly reduce the damage caused and speed up the clean up.

Those micro-organisms are not even feasible to use in cleaning up a normal auto shop and the few gallons of oil they go through a day, a lot less a gushing pump that spews 1000+ barrels a day.

A surfactant isn't a solution it just blends the oil into the water, why would you think dumping a million gallons of dish soap into the ocean would solve anything? that is going to **** up the wildlife dependent industries even more.

wandlc
05-01-2010, 06:21 PM
The bugs will work and by using surfactants and bugs at the same time you actually can clean up the oil, and the surfactants aren't normal dish soap. The feeds' fear is that the bugs will get out of control. The feds screwed up the clean up after exxon valdez. Exxon wanted to use bugs but the feds said no, you have to steam clean the beach and kill all the good micro organisms and make it worse. And the Alaskan fisheries had record harvest after the oil spill because the oil is part of the food chain. Also the Santa Barbara channel processes over 100 barrels of oil per day.

Borks147
05-01-2010, 06:39 PM
The bugs will work and by using surfactants and bugs at the same time you actually can clean up the oil, and the surfactants aren't normal dish soap. The feeds' fear is that the bugs will get out of control. The feds screwed up the clean up after exxon valdez. Exxon wanted to use bugs but the feds said no, you have to steam clean the beach and kill all the good micro organisms and make it worse. And the Alaskan fisheries had record harvest after the oil spill because the oil is part of the food chain. Also the Santa Barbara channel processes over 100 barrels of oil per day.

you kinda sound crazy dude. Do you live in a cabin in Montana?

also - 100 barrels is nothing.

epicSocialism4tw
05-01-2010, 06:41 PM
There are micro-organism that eat oil but the Feds won't allow them to be used. Also the use of surfactants is banned. Both would greatly reduce the damage caused and speed up the clean up.

I know a chemist who worked on this. He's a crazy old coot and a genius at the same time. He had a major patent stolen from him by his partner. Ouch.

Dedhed
05-01-2010, 06:42 PM
What I don't get is why BP won't have to pay for the cleanup.

Pool
05-01-2010, 06:58 PM
It's possible that ocean based oil rigs could fail due to earthquakes.

mhgaffney
05-01-2010, 07:49 PM
Check out these amazing photos of the burning oil rig.

http://www.rense.com/general90/Horizon.pdf

Borks147
05-01-2010, 08:36 PM
Check out these amazing photos of the burning oil rig.

http://www.rense.com/general90/Horizon.pdf

sooo....if they had just let that sucker burn any oil coming up would've burned too? Like when the retreating Iraqis blew up Kuwait's wells?

Archer81
05-01-2010, 09:40 PM
sooo....if they had just let that sucker burn any oil coming up would've burned too? Like when the retreating Iraqis blew up Kuwait's wells?


Burning crude is highly toxic. Would you want to ignite an oil fire in your backyard? Its getting to be summer...gulf coast relies on tourism...also supplies 80% of US seafood. So they burn the oil, but damage the locat fishing and tourism industry for a decade.

Economy cant take a hit like that.

:Broncos:

DenverBrit
05-01-2010, 11:14 PM
What I don't get is why BP won't have to pay for the cleanup.

Where did you read/hear that??

BP will take responsibility and have said so.

But you can bet Transocean (the rig owners and operators) and Haliburton,(who were doing some 'cement' and service work prior to the explosion) will also be paying big bucks.

They all need to get the clean up done and get the flow stopped.

broncocalijohn
05-02-2010, 11:57 PM
No....raise the mileage standards and get Detroit/Japan SERIOUS about alternative fuels. When Gas gets at or over $5 a gallon people will park their SUVS and +300 HP V8/V6 rigs and start clamoring for more efficient vehicles, like so many in Europe and Japan. Big move to diesel and smaller cars coming ( if we had just gone ahead and continued to implement Carters environmental,vehicle standards, we wouldn't be in this mess so much).

All this is going to give more impetus to electric / hybrid vehicles, and the oil companies are going to be more restricted off shore. Of course they'll just raise the price as demand falls off.

yes, punish the people first to get a point across. Great idea A-Hole! There is safe drilling on land and I have lost some of the drill in the ocean fever since this has happened. How about we have resources for oil in our own country?

Dedhed
05-03-2010, 06:20 AM
Where did you read/hear that??

BP will take responsibility and have said so.

But you can bet Transocean (the rig owners and operators) and Haliburton,(who were doing some 'cement' and service work prior to the explosion) will also be paying big bucks.

They all need to get the clean up done and get the flow stopped.There are fundraising efforts underway, which I guess is to be expected, but I don't understand why anyone would have to pay a dime other than the companies responsible.

Seems absurd that the oil companies can butt-hurt us for hundreds of billions in profit, and then not be entirely responsible for cleaning up a mess like this.

bowtown
05-03-2010, 06:25 AM
they need to make a giant vacuum like in Spaceballs.

http://blog.foolsmountain.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/megamaid-spaceballs.jpg

Suck, suck, suck, suck...

DenverBrit
05-03-2010, 09:21 AM
There are fundraising efforts underway, which I guess is to be expected, but I don't understand why anyone would have to pay a dime other than the companies responsible.

Seems absurd that the oil companies can butt-hurt us for hundreds of billions in profit, and then not be entirely responsible for cleaning up a mess like this.

BP are on the hook for every dime spent in clean up and for compensation to those affected by the damage caused.

I'm not sure what the fund raising is for.......maybe for local wildlife rescue?

This has the potential to be the worst environmental and community tragedy imaginable. It's devastating!

TailgateNut
05-03-2010, 09:27 AM
BP are on the hook for every dime spent in clean up and for compensation to those affected by the damage caused.

I'm not sure what the fund raising is for.......maybe for local wildlife rescue?

This has the potential to be the worst environmental and community tragedy imaginable. It's devastating!

Actually it'll be the end users/ customers of BP who will PAY and PAY dearly.

Doggcow
05-03-2010, 09:32 AM
Imagine if this went down like it has, and Bush was in office? WHOOOOOO DOGGY THAT'D BE A HUGE ****STORM!

TailgateNut
05-03-2010, 09:56 AM
Imagine if this went down like it has, and Bush was in office? WHOOOOOO DOGGY THAT'D BE A HUGE ****STORM!


Regardless, It IS A HUGE ****STORM!

Archer81
05-03-2010, 10:22 AM
Watching Gibbs explain the oilspill...of all the people on earth why is this man Obama's mouthpiece?


:Broncos:

DenverBrit
05-03-2010, 10:29 AM
Actually it'll be the end users/ customers of BP who will PAY and PAY dearly.

That's exactly how it usually works.

Keep an eye on the fight between BP and its partners in the well as they go after Transocean and Haliburton.

Cito Pelon
05-03-2010, 10:44 AM
yes, punish the people first to get a point across. Great idea A-Hole! There is safe drilling on land and I have lost some of the drill in the ocean fever since this has happened. How about we have resources for oil in our own country?

Oil accessible on the continental 48 is tapped out. That's why it's actually cheaper to drill offshore, tanker in oil from other countries, or drill in Alaska/Arctic. You should know that already.

ScottXray
05-03-2010, 06:55 PM
yes, punish the people first to get a point across. Great idea A-Hole! There is safe drilling on land and I have lost some of the drill in the ocean fever since this has happened. How about we have resources for oil in our own country?

Punish the people? Get real and realise that Oil is a finite resource. Once its gone, its gone forever....we don't have 60 million years to grow another crop. Supply and demand (plus greedy profit motive) determines the price. And Oil is used to make our whole society GO. No plastics, no trash bags , no Arny or air force, no chemical industry. OIL is used in almost everything we use and make. When it's gone so is our technological society.

Maybe if we weren't wasting it by driving around in Hummers and enormous other vehicles like stretch limos (for Prom?) that are mainly a LUXURY item so we can feel important and special, rather than what we are (just another citizen) we wouldn't need to drill everywhere to keep the supply flowing. Maybe if we all drove 40 or 50+ MPG vehicles we wouldn't need so much?

And punishment is what the rest of the world thinks we should get, since we
are using the most oil (other than china ...now) of all the developed nations, and have been for the last 100 years. Oh , by the way...there are only 300 or so million of us versus 1.5 billion chinese.
And now that it is becoming critical we think THEY and other poor nations should sign enviromental accords that will severely affect THEIR ability to develope? Wonder why some people are pissed at the US?

Americans are and have been resource hogs, and the sooner we get used to not having so much, the better, because the only way we get out of this financial/ecological mess is a lower standard of living. It isn't going to be easy, and the longer we put it off the harder the fall will be. Imposing tough mileage standards will eventually make things better. The standards can be phased in over 10-15 years or so. Couple that with a Luxury tax on low mileage vehicles that don't serve a truly useful purpose, again phased in over a time period. You can still have your F350 to haul your boat , or your 440 V8gas equipped motor home....You'll just have to REALLY want it, and be willing to pay for the privilege. Because the gas you use to run it is taking that oil and gas away from future generations, as well as polluting the air. Drilling on the ground still doesn't make more oil....