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BroncoSojia
04-30-2010, 11:01 AM
just a few tidbits

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/115803/tebow_tim.jpg


http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/4/30/1452472/via-www-maxdenver-com-i-have-seen

Tebow completes 21 of 21!!
By MIKE KLIS

Not to get carried away about Tim Tebow or anything, but during a pitch-and-catch drill with equipment manager Mike “Hands” Harrington, the rookie quarterback completed 21 of 21 passes during the media viewing portion of the Broncos’ first 2010 minicamp session.

Tebow feigned taking the snap under center, took 3- to 5-step drops and zipped passes from 5 to 15 yards to Harrington. Tebow was utilizing the catcher-release from behind his ear hole, by the way, not the right fielder’s throwing motion he used during the Senior Bowl that generated so much criticism.

As the media was sent off the practice field, Tebow fired a 15-yard hitch pattern to Harrington, who made his first drop of the day. Thus, Tebow was officially 21 of 22. As we all know, nothing is official unless the media sees it.

You just can’t get this stuff anywhere else.


http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/04/30/tebow-completes-21-of-21/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_content=Twitter

Traveler
04-30-2010, 11:05 AM
just a few tidbits

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/115803/tebow_tim.jpg




Here's the wind up again!

bronclvr
04-30-2010, 11:05 AM
He looks good in Orange and Blue-

mizzoutigers
04-30-2010, 11:15 AM
He looks good in Orange and Blue-

He's used to it

BlaK-Argentina
04-30-2010, 11:18 AM
He looks like a fullback.

baja
04-30-2010, 11:19 AM
He looks like a duck out of water.

Los Broncos
04-30-2010, 11:24 AM
I wonder if that pass was picked off.

Los Broncos
04-30-2010, 11:24 AM
He looks like a duck out of water.

More like a gator out of water.

BroncoSojia
04-30-2010, 11:31 AM
Here's video of him throwing

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bronclvr
04-30-2010, 11:33 AM
I like it!

BMarsh615
04-30-2010, 11:36 AM
Here's video of him throwing

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What the hell was B. McD saying to Tebow after every single pass he threw?

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2010, 11:38 AM
Here's video of him throwing

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I don't think there's any volume on this vid, anyway, I can't here anything. But, it looks like the QB coach is telling Tebow to not drop his shoulder so much, that is, stablize the shoulders for the throwing motion.

baja
04-30-2010, 11:39 AM
Looks like Josh is going to have his nose up Tim's ass

Hope he remembers he has 70 other players to coach

baja
04-30-2010, 11:40 AM
Like to know what Orton is thinking about all this.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2010, 11:40 AM
QB coach is also talking to Tebow about his footwork.

WyoLaw
04-30-2010, 11:41 AM
Teboriffic!!

SonOfLe-loLang
04-30-2010, 11:41 AM
I cant wait to see 5 pages of clueless maners overanalyzing the video above. Bring it on.

epicSocialism4tw
04-30-2010, 11:43 AM
Here's video of him throwing

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Dude's really coachable. He's really trying to implement subtle changes that have popped up as he has been working on keeping the ball high and releasing it high. He's working on the timing of the drop and the way he needs to be square at different points of the drop, and the QB coach is trying to get him to keep his non-throwing shoulder level so that he can plant more strongly with his back leg...this will give him more consistency in his release and more power in his throw.

DBroncos4life
04-30-2010, 11:46 AM
Looks like Josh is going to have his nose up Tim's ass

Hope he remembers he has 70 other players to coach

Yeah well he has more riding on this one player then the rest IMO. Tebow's development could either make McD one of the highest paid HC's in the NFL or make him be a OC for the next ten years.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2010, 11:48 AM
Dude's really coachable. He's really trying to implement subtle changes that have popped up as he has been working on keeping the ball high and releasing it high. He's working on the timing of the drop and the way he needs to be square at different points of the drop, and the QB coach is trying to get him to keep his non-throwing shoulder level so that he can plant more strongly with his back leg...this will give him more consistency in his release and more power in his throw.

Yah, basically he's telling Tebow not to drop his leading shoulder (right) while dropping back. When he does that it forces him drop his throwing shoulder which will cause the ball to float when it's released.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-30-2010, 11:49 AM
Yeah well he has more riding on this one player then the rest IMO. Tebow's development could either make McD one of the highest paid HC's in the NFL or make him be a OC for the next ten years.

He spent a lot of time with Orton last year too. And we just saw 3 minutes of film! Jeez

Rabb
04-30-2010, 11:50 AM
he is a big ****er

Doggcow
04-30-2010, 11:51 AM
Who cares about an irregular throwing motion if he gets the job done? He also buys more than 1/3 of a second or more with his escapability every play anyway.

bronclvr
04-30-2010, 11:54 AM
he is a big ****er

true dat! :thumbs:

Mogulseeker
04-30-2010, 11:55 AM
I don't think there's any volume on this vid, anyway, I can't here anything. But, it looks like the QB coach is telling Tebow to not drop his shoulder so much, that is, stablize the shoulders for the throwing motion.

I'm pretty sure thats it. And he's still dipping the ball.

I'd also like to point out that he is wearing a Revolution helmet.

baja
04-30-2010, 11:56 AM
Josh is telling Tebow not to squeeze the football so tight he has already exploded 7 footballs by squeezing them to hard.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2010, 11:58 AM
Josh is telling Tebow not to squeeze the football so tight he has already exploded 7 footballs by squeezing them to hard.

We all know your the expert on squeezing balls too tight. :thumbs:

Los Broncos
04-30-2010, 12:00 PM
We all know your the expert on squeezing balls too tight. :thumbs:

:rofl:

baja
04-30-2010, 12:03 PM
We all know your the expert on squeezing balls too tight. :thumbs:

You must have me mixed up with RockPaperSissors. ;D

boppool
04-30-2010, 12:06 PM
What the hell was B. McD saying to Tebow after every single pass he threw?

"Have I told you lately that I love you?"

Rabb
04-30-2010, 12:12 PM
His interview after practice (sorry if it's been posted)

http://web1.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=349&videoID=3833&type=broncosTV&year=&month=

BMarsh615
04-30-2010, 12:16 PM
http://www.maxdenver.com/maxdenver/images/thomas_decker.jpg

WyoLaw
04-30-2010, 12:16 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/04/30/broncos.tebow.ap/index.html

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The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner from Florida and surprising first-round draft pick dons an orange No. 15 jersey and is participating in workouts on a chilly Friday morning with six other draft choices, 19 college free agents and two wide receivers trying out with the team.
During the 25-minute period in which reporters, photographers and cameramen are allowed to observe, Tebow ran agility drills and then threw several passes under the watchful eyes of coach Josh McDaniels and his younger brother, Ben, who is Denver's new quarterbacks coach.
Deploying his new and improved throwing motion that removes the looping windup he had in college, Tebow's throws were tight and compact.
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Rohirrim
04-30-2010, 12:18 PM
Just because Tebow was there, they changed the name to Maxi Camp.

bronclvr
04-30-2010, 12:18 PM
Just because Tebow was there, they changed the name to Maxi Camp.

Is that anything like Maxi Pads?

Rohirrim
04-30-2010, 12:19 PM
Is that anything like Maxi Pads?

No. That's an Apple product.

baja
04-30-2010, 12:20 PM
When Tebow loses his virginity will that help his delivery???

bronclvr
04-30-2010, 12:21 PM
No. That's an Apple product.

Gee, thanks for straightening that out for me-now I'm good for the day-

Rabb
04-30-2010, 12:21 PM
man I love and hate this time of year so much

love: it's at least somewhat of a football fix...so exciting to see the new kids out there

hate: I want it to be football season ****ing now

Houshyamama
04-30-2010, 12:22 PM
"Have I told you lately that I love you?"

Your avatar makes me feel all tingly in my pants

prodigalson139
04-30-2010, 12:30 PM
http://www.maxdenver.com/maxdenver/images/thomas_decker.jpg

Crap...Thomas looks VERY similar to Bmarsh...Looks tall (than I expected) and like he added some mass from his college pics/video

I am so excitied about these two...add in Royal, Gaffney, Stokley...

That's some weapons

Love the youth on the offense

TheReverend
04-30-2010, 12:36 PM
What the hell was B. McD saying to Tebow after every single pass he threw?

He's addressing the remnants of the patented Tim Tebow body flail in his release.

This is a fantastic video... getting so much better SO fast.

Kaylore
04-30-2010, 12:38 PM
I'd also like to point out that he is wearing a Revolution helmet.

The way he took it off and looked at it suggests he might not make that a permanent change.

nickademus
04-30-2010, 12:41 PM
Who cares about an irregular throwing motion if he gets the job done? He also buys more than 1/3 of a second or more with his escapability every play anyway.

what I want to see is him start is wind up and then have to change targets. if he cant do this then he is going to be telegraphing alot of passes.

TheReverend
04-30-2010, 12:44 PM
I wrote this all out in another thread yesterday or the day before, but it was a baja thread so most likely only a few people saw it. Will put it here so people read through it, watch the vids, compare with todays video and see how much growth Tim is undergoing in only THIS off-season thus far. Remarkable really
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I haven't seen enough of Brandstater to say anything other than he looked alright last pre-season and I've read good things about his arm, so I'll leave him out.

Quinn has a legit NFL arm in strength and accuracy and he's smart. We'll see how much of his woes were supporting cast related or not soon. I honestly love Orton's touch. My main complaint about Cutler (outside of his penchant to not see LBs dropped in passing lanes) was his habit of gunning it to RBs swinging into the flat, so Kyle has him nailed there. Unfortunately, I think Kyle's arm strength issues are compounded with his lack of confidence in his deep ball.

Tim's different, to say the least... He definitely CAN have the strongest arm in the bunch, he just has an awkward wind up (it's a ridiculously big wind up which has caused the "slow release" scouting complaints, etc) and he kinda flails his body into it too. It's really funny how he's managed to make it work for him honestly.

Exhibit A (April last year):

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Now watch the improvement:

Exhibit B (Pre Combine... massive progress):

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Exhibit C (pro day)

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Exhibit D (pro day w/presser audio showing he understands what his issues are AND what he needs to do)

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Look at the massive improvement in a short period of time. He's also getting a lot more snap out of the ball. This isn't even including how he's been working on this several hours a day even since his pro-day.

It's literally impossible to stack his arm/throwing motion/strength against our current QBs because it's under a massive make-over. I can tell you that Gators Tebow was effective despite a decent quantity of ducks, but it's certainly not good enough for Broncos Tebow. He needs reps en masse until it becomes sheer instinct. Fortunately, we got the guy who will put the volume of work in where it's more than likely that it's already instinctual.

To answer your question as best as possible: At his pro day I'd say his arm was in between Orton and Quinn. I don't know where his "arm strength" ceiling is. Not sure how much I care. I know he has the balls to scare DBs with it... and I hope that's his first play as an NFL QB... one 5 step drop and just gun it as far downfield as he can, even if it's 10 yards off the mark, the strength and distance will absolutely be enough to make corners second guess jumping routes.

What we know for a fact about him:

Teams will play contain/spy against him... that frees up SOOOO much for our perimeter players.

He's willing and able to go deep

Can turn broken plays into a new set of downs

Fast learner, works hard and can QUICKLY implement what he's been coached.

Pseudofool
04-30-2010, 12:47 PM
His interview after practice (sorry if it's been posted)

http://web1.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=349&videoID=3833&type=broncosTV&year=&month=

Tebow certainly doesn't mind the attention. He can work a reporter corp pretty well.

Greatspirits
04-30-2010, 12:47 PM
He looks good in Orange and Blue-

I thought the exact same thing!

crush17
04-30-2010, 12:49 PM
wow... I have never seen so much hype.

Archer81
04-30-2010, 12:51 PM
wow... I have never seen so much hype.


Not hype my friend...

Reality.

:Broncos:

Kaylore
04-30-2010, 12:57 PM
wow... I have never seen so much hype.

Like I said before, Bronco fans haven't even tasted what this guy brings with him in terms of exposure. My Sister's family are all huge Gator fans, so I've followed and watched this guy play since he was winning championships as a true freshman. Most SEC football games outsell pro football games by tens of thousands. This guy is quite literally worshiped by that entire Gator nation and even his biggest haters acknowledge he is one of the greatest players in college football history. He's developed a huge national following. They are already putting up plaques of his quotes around the campus.

The NFL is less market driven than most other sports. Manning in Indy, Warner in Arizona and the national following of the Packers are all great examples of this. We have not yet begun to see the heat from the spotlight this kid is bringing with him.

broncocalijohn
04-30-2010, 01:05 PM
wow... I have never seen so much hype.

when they start writing what type of candy he passed out at Halloween (probably doesnt celebrate the pagan holiday), then you know he has been at the Elway level. Until then, you missed the hype in 83.
I hope we get to see and hear on the other draft picks. Especially those that might be starting this year.

Requiem
04-30-2010, 01:05 PM
http://imagechan.com/images/e142775dc4a902db411e8619e0338f50.gif

gtown
04-30-2010, 01:08 PM
Liking the new motion. Looks like he still brings it back a little low, but if it gets the job done, I don't care if it is picture perfect.

I think the footwork and throwing with the body not just the arm are gonna take Tebow a while to get used to.

TonyR
04-30-2010, 01:21 PM
wow... I have never seen so much hype.

Check this out:


Video shows Tebow doing ball-carrying drills
Posted by Mike Florio on April 30, 2010 3:57 PM ET

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has said that Tim Tebow will be a quarterback, and only a quarterback. While there's no reason to doubt the position at which the rookie first-rounder line up, it looks like McDaniels plans to use Tebow for a function other than passing the ball.

In video of Tebow's first NFL practice session posted at NFL.com, Tebow is engaged in drills aimed at preparing him to run with the football.

It doesn't mean that Tebow will play running back. But it strongly suggests that, as a quarterback, he'll likely be running the ball from time to time.

UPDATE: Lindsay Jones of the Denver Post advises that all offensive players perform this same drill, including other quarterbacks. We wonder whether Kyle Orton has ever accomplished it without falling down.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/30/video-shows-tebow-doing-ball-carrying-drills/

crush17
04-30-2010, 01:23 PM
when they start writing what type of candy he passed out at Halloween (probably doesnt celebrate the pagan holiday), then you know he has been at the Elway level. Until then, you missed the hype in 83.
I hope we get to see and hear on the other draft picks. Especially those that might be starting this year.

I was 3 years old in 1983, so yeah....

TheReverend
04-30-2010, 01:23 PM
Check this out:


Video shows Tebow doing ball-carrying drills
Posted by Mike Florio on April 30, 2010 3:57 PM ET

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has said that Tim Tebow will be a quarterback, and only a quarterback. While there's no reason to doubt the position at which the rookie first-rounder line up, it looks like McDaniels plans to use Tebow for a function other than passing the ball.

In video of Tebow's first NFL practice session posted at NFL.com, Tebow is engaged in drills aimed at preparing him to run with the football.

It doesn't mean that Tebow will play running back. But it strongly suggests that, as a quarterback, he'll likely be running the ball from time to time.

UPDATE: Lindsay Jones of the Denver Post advises that all offensive players perform this same drill, including other quarterbacks. We wonder whether Kyle Orton has ever accomplished it without falling down.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/30/video-shows-tebow-doing-ball-carrying-drills/

Florio making something out of nothing.

We know damn well he has a tendency to run when it's there. Ball carrying drills are a great way of working to make him better at running it and protecting the football. I'd expect nothing less of ANYONE who has the ball in their hands.

Dedhed
04-30-2010, 01:24 PM
What the hell was B. McD saying to Tebow after every single pass he threw?I could be wrong here, but I think that's what they refer to as coaching.

Houshyamama
04-30-2010, 01:25 PM
Training camp is going to be packed with Gator fans

StugotsIII
04-30-2010, 01:29 PM
Why on Earth did Urban Meyer NEVER work on proper mechanics while Tebow was at Florida (in 4 years)?

bronco militia
04-30-2010, 01:30 PM
DPO slide show

http://photos.denverpost.com/photogalleries/broncosimages/#id=album-109721&num=content-2137284

Rabb
04-30-2010, 01:30 PM
Why on Earth did Urban Meyer NEVER work on proper mechanics while Tebow was at Florida (in 4 years)?

I wondered also, but it's hard to argue with results

cmhargrove
04-30-2010, 01:40 PM
Why on Earth did Urban Meyer NEVER work on proper mechanics while Tebow was at Florida (in 4 years)?

When you are winning national championships - what is there to fix?

Rabb
04-30-2010, 01:42 PM
http://www.tailgate365.com/forum/download/file.php?id=21

lostknight
04-30-2010, 01:43 PM
The way he took it off and looked at it suggests he might not make that a permanent change.

I remember their being some criticism of the helmet that Jay wore. What is the ins and outs of what helmet the QB uses?

UberBroncoMan
04-30-2010, 01:57 PM
I'll say this. If Tebow was our QB in the 4th quarter of the Eagles game last year I think we win it. When we kept punting back and forth over and over a gain, there were many times Orton could have run for a 1st but didn't (even at his speed).

tsiguy96
04-30-2010, 02:02 PM
I'll say this. If Tebow was our QB in the 4th quarter of the Eagles game last year I think we win it. When we kept punting back and forth over and over a gain, there were many times Orton could have run for a 1st but didn't (even at his speed).

3rd and 25.

Dedhed
04-30-2010, 02:17 PM
wow... I have never seen so much hype.

You must not have been around for Hillis.

Rohirrim
04-30-2010, 02:19 PM
When you are winning national championships - what is there to fix?

Bingo. College coaches won't be relying on a QB for 10 or 12 years. If what they bring is winning games you go with it.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-30-2010, 02:19 PM
Check this out:


Video shows Tebow doing ball-carrying drills
Posted by Mike Florio on April 30, 2010 3:57 PM ET

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has said that Tim Tebow will be a quarterback, and only a quarterback. While there's no reason to doubt the position at which the rookie first-rounder line up, it looks like McDaniels plans to use Tebow for a function other than passing the ball.

In video of Tebow's first NFL practice session posted at NFL.com, Tebow is engaged in drills aimed at preparing him to run with the football.

It doesn't mean that Tebow will play running back. But it strongly suggests that, as a quarterback, he'll likely be running the ball from time to time.

UPDATE: Lindsay Jones of the Denver Post advises that all offensive players perform this same drill, including other quarterbacks. We wonder whether Kyle Orton has ever accomplished it without falling down.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/30/video-shows-tebow-doing-ball-carrying-drills/

Wait, they want tebow to run with the ball? THANKS FLORIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought they'd try to make him into Peyton Manning

crush17
04-30-2010, 02:35 PM
3rd and 25.

qft.

LRtagger
04-30-2010, 02:49 PM
Not to bring Jay into it, but even Tebow's old throwing motion isn't much worse than this.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/jaysox.jpg


And I didn't see too many people complaining that Jay can't make it in the league because he throws from the hip. Jay even double clutches the ball at his hip when he's locked onto a receiver.

Tim seems to have done a pretty good job of correcting it, although he still has a slight hitch at the top of his throwing motion.

Quoydogs
04-30-2010, 02:55 PM
The best quote I have heard in a long time.

Tebow " All football, all the time and I am lovin it"

I like that.

chawknz
04-30-2010, 03:03 PM
Can't wait for all of you naysayers to eat crow. Tebow is going to be a star of the Broncos for years to come. In fact, I say he starts this year as our #1 QB.

Also, he threw for 21/22 today. One dropped ball by a receiver.

Superbowl!

Los Broncos
04-30-2010, 03:07 PM
Not to bring Jay into it, but even Tebow's old throwing motion isn't much worse than this.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/jaysox.jpg


And I didn't see too many people complaining that Jay can't make it in the league because he throws from the hip. Jay even double clutches the ball at his hip when he's locked onto a receiver.

Tim seems to have done a pretty good job of correcting it, although he still has a slight hitch at the top of his throwing motion.

But his arm is stronger than Elway's.

HEAV
04-30-2010, 03:09 PM
http://www.maxdenver.com/maxdenver/images/thomas_decker.jpg

Damn "Bay Bay" is going to be a huge target to throw at!

crowebomber
04-30-2010, 03:23 PM
Like I said before, Bronco fans haven't even tasted what this guy brings with him in terms of exposure. My Sister's family are all huge Gator fans, so I've followed and watched this guy play since he was winning championships as a true freshman. Most SEC football games outsell pro football games by tens of thousands. This guy is quite literally worshiped by that entire Gator nation and even his biggest haters acknowledge he is one of the greatest players in college football history. He's developed a huge national following. They are already putting up plaques of his quotes around the campus.

The NFL is less market driven than most other sports. Manning in Indy, Warner in Arizona and the national following of the Packers are all great examples of this. We have not yet begun to see the heat from the spotlight this kid is bringing with him.


Great. Can't wait to see this at the next game.

broncswin
04-30-2010, 03:23 PM
Didn't realize how quick Tebow's feet were...looking at some of those drills, I am very impressed with that to say the least. I think this guy could be very special...and also can't believe how Bay Bay makes Decker look like a high school player.

theAPAOps5
04-30-2010, 03:36 PM
Like to know what Orton is thinking about all this.

Probably, HA rookies have fun at minicamp. I'll be swigging Jack and hunting skanks!

baja
04-30-2010, 04:42 PM
Why on Earth did Urban Meyer NEVER work on proper mechanics while Tebow was at Florida (in 4 years)?

Maybe he was satisfied with having the best collage football player ever.

OrangeCrush2724
04-30-2010, 04:46 PM
I am not worried about his throwing motion. I am more worried whether he can read defenses. Can't wait for pre-season.

Rohirrim
04-30-2010, 04:48 PM
Decker's nickname will have to be "Blade Runner." ;D

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 04:49 PM
One thing I know is the fans will do with Tebow like they did with Jay. Make excuses for bad games and over inflate his good games.

Paladin
04-30-2010, 04:52 PM
I cant wait to see 5 pages of clueless maners overanalyzing the video above. Bring it on.

:thanku:

MadCity
04-30-2010, 05:15 PM
.....during a pitch-and-catch drill with equipment manager Mike “Hands” Harrington, the rookie quarterback completed 21 of 21 passes.....

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jjqv_F4iq48/R6Y83EMpwUI/AAAAAAAACec/2c7VM6iROR8/s400/lombardi_trophy3.jpg

Paladin
04-30-2010, 05:21 PM
One thing I know is the fans will do with Tebow like they did with Jay. Make excuses for bad games and over inflate his good games.

Like Hillis?

broncswin
04-30-2010, 05:23 PM
Like Hillis?

zowie! I see what you did there

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 05:25 PM
Like Hillis?

Yes and like when no one would claim to trade Cutler for any QB then when he was gone biggest bust ever.

scorpio
04-30-2010, 05:28 PM
Decker's nickname will have to be "Blade Runner." ;D

http://imgur.com/KSQbq.gif

GreatBronco16
04-30-2010, 05:55 PM
One thing I know is the fans will do with Tebow like they did with Jay. Make excuses for bad games and over inflate his good games.

That's what fans do man.

Fedaykin
04-30-2010, 06:21 PM
Have they started teaching him how to take a snap under center yet?

Archer81
04-30-2010, 06:24 PM
Have they started teaching him how to take a snap under center yet?


Its the first day...

One thing at a time.

:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
04-30-2010, 06:26 PM
Man guys I drove by Dove Valley today and tried to take a picture of all the media at camp. It was nuts. I just got to looking at the picture and there was something eerie in it. The hair on my neck stood on end!

<a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/?action=view&current=picsay-1272676845.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/picsay-1272676845.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I am shaking!

hambone13
04-30-2010, 06:35 PM
Man guys I drove by Dove Valley today and tried to take a picture of all the media at camp. It was nuts. I just got to looking at the picture and there was something eerie in it. The hair on my neck stood on end!

<a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/?action=view&current=picsay-1272676845.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/picsay-1272676845.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I am shaking!

Hilarious! Nice....

Momentum
04-30-2010, 06:57 PM
Lol!!!

theAPAOps5
04-30-2010, 07:03 PM
Oh and everyone say hi to Sandy Clough of 104.3 the FAN. He is with us and reading. I know because on my way to the store he was talking to Josina. He said a lot of Tebow fans are saying that he won a Heisman and 2 National Titles why should he have to change his mechanics.

Sounds very much like a few posts here!

gyldenlove
04-30-2010, 07:12 PM
Oh and everyone say hi to Sandy Clough of 104.3 the FAN. He is with us and reading. I know because on my way to the store he was talking to Josina. He said a lot of Tebow fans are saying that he won a Heisman and 2 National Titles why should he have to change his mechanics.

Sounds very much like a few posts here!

People who say he won 2 national titles are bull****ters, Chris Leak won the first one, Tebow was little more than a relief pitcher during that season.

BlaK-Argentina
04-30-2010, 07:13 PM
One thing I know is the fans will do with Tebow like they did with Jay. Make excuses for bad games and over inflate his good games.

Cutler had a bunch of amazing games though. 2008 opener comes to mind. Yes, it was Oakland but still.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2010, 07:19 PM
People who say he won 2 national titles are bull****ters, Chris Leak won the first one, Tebow was little more than a relief pitcher during that season.

you said leak

theAPAOps5
04-30-2010, 07:20 PM
People who say he won 2 national titles are bull****ters, Chris Leak won the first one, Tebow was little more than a relief pitcher during that season.

I understand what you are saying but he was more than a relief pitcher he had some crucial plays.

Actually we should go back and see if we can find any games from his freshman year. I bet you a soda that McD uses him just like that this year in the NFL.

lostknight
04-30-2010, 07:25 PM
Just as a side note, nepotism might really hurt Tebow. How so? Our QB coach's only qualification seems to be that he is the head coach's brother. It's one thing to coach Orton, Simms (and let's face it, they are not sold on Brandstater, or they would not have gone after Tebow), but another to develop a new quarterback the caliber of Tebow.

theAPAOps5
04-30-2010, 07:30 PM
Just as a side note, nepotism might really hurt Tebow. How so? Our QB coach's only qualification seems to be that he is the head coach's brother. It's one thing to coach Orton, Simms (and let's face it, they are not sold on Brandstater, or they would not have gone after Tebow), but another to develop a new quarterback the caliber of Tebow.

If you really believe this you are naive. Josh McD IS the QB coach. Orton rode with him to games and he fell in love with Tebow. His brother is a title holder mostly while offering coaching on mechanics and what not.

Kind of like Shanny and his OC's save for a Kubiak and Bates his last season.

Drek
04-30-2010, 07:37 PM
Just as a side note, nepotism might really hurt Tebow. How so? Our QB coach's only qualification seems to be that he is the head coach's brother. It's one thing to coach Orton, Simms (and let's face it, they are not sold on Brandstater, or they would not have gone after Tebow), but another to develop a new quarterback the caliber of Tebow.

That, and being a D1A QB himself, a graduate assistant at a D1A school football program, and spending several years coaching already.

He's got a better resume than Jeremy Bates and Kyle Shanahan had when they where given positional coaching duties. When they both became QB coaches it wasn't under an offensive coordinator who was also a QB coach either.

But I'm sure its all about nepotism.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2010, 07:41 PM
The NFL is full of nepotism. Nepotism For Labor, or didn't you know?

The Moops
04-30-2010, 07:49 PM
Just love his excitement for the game. I spent 6 year around Eli Manning and even as a rookie he never seemed super happy to be there . . . like Tebow.

Dogsweat
04-30-2010, 07:50 PM
Can't Wait!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INxqYDAFSQ8&feature=related

Arkie
04-30-2010, 08:14 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=26456&stc=1&d=1272666159


Great. Can't wait to see this at the next game.

Bull**** he's not a florida fan. I doubt he even understands football.

http://chroniclesofjared.com/wp-content/images/mullet.jpg

baja
04-30-2010, 08:23 PM
is that a cell phone from the 1950's

The Moops
05-01-2010, 04:23 AM
A tattoo of Tebow on your arm . . . at his age?

Security at Dove Valley needs to keep an eye on this guy . . .

baja
05-01-2010, 04:24 AM
he'd have a great ass is her were a girl.

scorpio
05-01-2010, 05:39 AM
You clowns ever hear of photoshop?

theAPAOps5
05-01-2010, 05:51 AM
he'd have a great ass is her were a girl.

You just checked out a guy! :kiss:

Broncoman13
05-01-2010, 06:16 AM
If you really believe this you are naive. Josh McD IS the QB coach. Orton rode with him to games and he fell in love with Tebow. His brother is a title holder mostly while offering coaching on mechanics and what not.

Kind of like Shanny and his OC's save for a Kubiak and Bates his last season.

I agree, and I like that McD spends a lot of time with the QBs. That is his forte and if he spends more time in one function it damn sure better be with the QBs. That said, sure makes me wish we had a better OC to oversee the rest of the offense while McD is working his magic with the QBs. McCoy isn't that guy, IMO. We should have went hard after Weis. My opinion and everyone has one, but at least he could be spreading the good word and with an equal understanding of what they were trying to do offensively. McD and McCoy aren't on that same page yet...

Rabb
05-01-2010, 06:39 AM
I talked to my old man last night who lives in Ocala, FL. now and generally hates the Gators because he is just sick of that being the only thing he ever hears about.

They retired there and lived here in Colorado previously so he is a huge Broncos fan, he was happy we drafted Tebow because now he is getting Broncos coverage in the local paper lol. Before, it was Daunte Culpepper since he is from the area. He said the fans there are basically Bronco fans now also, it is just amazing how much they loved this guy.

toad
05-01-2010, 07:03 AM
He said the fans there are basically Bronco fans now also, it is just amazing how much they loved this guy.

Tebow is to U of Florida just as Peyton Manning is to Tennessee.....larger than life folk hero.

Cito Pelon
05-01-2010, 07:30 AM
Just as a side note, nepotism might really hurt Tebow. How so? Our QB coach's only qualification seems to be that he is the head coach's brother. It's one thing to coach Orton, Simms (and let's face it, they are not sold on Brandstater, or they would not have gone after Tebow), but another to develop a new quarterback the caliber of Tebow.

Failed logic.

If BmcD is telling Tebow exactly what JmcD would tell Tebow, then there is no harm caused by having BmcD as QB coach.

Bigdawg26
05-01-2010, 07:47 AM
he'd have a great ass is her were a girl.

Thats pretty gay! LOL

baja
05-01-2010, 07:47 AM
You just checked out a guy! :kiss:


Well it's hard to miss that cute little bubble butt. ;D

I never seen an ass like that on a guy before.

baja
05-01-2010, 07:51 AM
OK fess up who scrolled back to check out the guys butt after reading my above post...

I know you are not gay not that there is anything wrong with that.

Cito Pelon
05-01-2010, 08:17 AM
Well it's hard to miss that cute little bubble butt. ;D

I never seen an ass like that on a guy before.

Good Lord, now we have guychickbutt-jacking.

ghwk
05-01-2010, 08:36 AM
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- Tim Tebow is making his NFL debut at the Denver Broncos (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/broncos)' minicamp for rookies.
The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner from Florida and surprising first-round draft pick dons an orange No. 15 jersey and is participating in workouts on a chilly Friday morning with six other draft choices, 19 college free agents and two wide receivers trying out with the team.
During the 25-minute period in which reporters, photographers and cameramen are allowed to observe, Tebow ran agility drills and then threw several passes under the watchful eyes of coach Josh McDaniels and his younger brother, Ben, who is Denver's new quarterbacks coach.
Deploying his new and improved throwing motion that removes the looping windup he had in college, Tebow's throws were tight and compact.
Copyright 2010 Associated Press (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/interactive_legal.html#AP). All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


LOL, I love the use of the word "deploy". It's as though Tebow's arm is a kick ass marine brigade all on it's own. Maybe we can send his new throwing motion to Afghanistan to help out?

Dogsweat
05-01-2010, 08:59 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=26456&stc=1&d=1272666159




Bull**** he's not a florida fan. I doubt he even understands football.

http://chroniclesofjared.com/wp-content/images/mullet.jpg

I took photography in college.

This is completely photo-shopped..(I know you already knew this)

Nice Try....

Cosmo
05-01-2010, 09:20 AM
Ok, here's a question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcHD4XoX9dI

How is that throwing motion any different than what Tebow does? Not that I want Tebow to throw like Cutler, it just seems that no one has ever cared how he throws the ball yet I see him dropping the ball the same way.

Chris
05-01-2010, 09:21 AM
Lots of cutoff jeans in this thread.

Cosmo
05-01-2010, 09:26 AM
Of course, Tebow could just watch this video to learn to throw properly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGagQwNPSdI

Cito Pelon
05-01-2010, 10:01 AM
I like the comparison made to Roger Staubach.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StauRo00.htm

Let's compare those stats to John Elway's:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

Staubach vs. Elway:

Comp %: 57.0 vs 56.9
YPA: 7.7 vs 7.1
TD %: 5.2 vs 4.1
INT %: 3.7 vs 3.1
Games Started: 114 vs. 231

For comparison, Steve Young:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm

Comp %: 64.3
YPA: 8.0
TD %: 5.6
INT %: 2.6
Games Started: 143


Tebow could possibly be the next QB to continue the stratified air of the Staubach, Tarkenton, McNair, Elway, Young school of QB's. Randall Cunningham could be added in as a comparison.

I think Tebow could end up being in that stratified air. He has the tools.

HEAV
05-01-2010, 10:15 AM
Ok, here's a question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcHD4XoX9dI

How is that throwing motion any different than what Tebow does? Not that I want Tebow to throw like Cutler, it just seems that no one has ever cared how he throws the ball yet I see him dropping the ball the same way.

Jay Cutler shows you how to throw a perfect interception Hilarious!

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 10:21 AM
There's a lot of similarities between Cutler and Tebow if you think about it. Cutler was a LBer turned QB with a lot of physical ability. Cutler has a strong arm and was known for his arm and mobility coming out of Vandy. Tebow is known for his outside the pocket abilities as a QB and not so much for his throwing ability. That being said, I' wonder how his college stats stack up to Cutlers in things like yard per average and completion percentage stuff.

HEAV
05-01-2010, 10:30 AM
Tebow could possibly be the next QB to continue the stratified air of the Staubach, Tarkenton, McNair, Elway, Young school of QB's. Randall Cunningham could be added in as a comparison.

I think Tebow could end up being in that stratified air. He has the tools.

If given the right amount of time to learn (Like McNair) and not forced to start from day 1 and have to carry the burden of franchise savior, Tim can be a stud NFL quarterback.

The key tool he has is desire to succeed! The kid will work his ass off to be better and learn. He's every coaches dream! A player that loves the game and is willing to do whatever it takes to get better and will listen!

Kaylore
05-01-2010, 10:40 AM
There's a lot of similarities between Cutler and Tebow if you think about it. Cutler was a LBer turned QB with a lot of physical ability. Cutler has a strong arm and was known for his arm and mobility coming out of Vandy. Tebow is known for his outside the pocket abilities as a QB and not so much for his throwing ability. That being said, I' wonder how his college stats stack up to Cutlers in things like yard per average and completion percentage stuff.

I pretty much disagree with all of this. Cutler played two ways as a QB and a safety, not a linebacker. He also was never a "converted LB" into QB. He always played QB. He was recruited as a safety by a number of schools, but Vandy wanted him as a QB and he never exclusively played the position.

Also Cutler wasn't known for his mobility coming out of college. He was known because he was the SEC offensive player of the year, and for his accuracy and especially strong arm. He had some mobility, sure, but he came out the same year as Vince Young whose mobility overshadowed Cutler's. Cutler's offense didn't use very many waggles or boots, either.

Tebow was more like a generic football player that ran the ball a lot and threw some. He was recruited by Florida and a number of schools for his multi-dimensional abilities. I wouldn't say Tebow is know for his outside the pocket abilities either. He's know for his runs up the middle where he would bowl people over and his ability to pass well out of the shotgun. Again, he didn't make a ton of plays outside the pocket. He was a more pass-heavy spread offense that had some option thrown in.

I would say the only thing the two have in common is both were all-around good football players coming out of high school and both played QB in the SEC. Their styles and personae could not be more different from each other.

mhgaffney
05-01-2010, 10:44 AM
I love the fact that we have four QBs on the roster. Good move by McD.

Let them compete.

I hope Orton is the odd man out -- by next September.

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 10:45 AM
I pretty much disagree with all of this. Cutler played two ways as a QB and a safety, not a linebacker. He also was never a "converted LB" into QB. He always played QB. He was recruited as a safety by a number of schools, but Vandy wanted him as a QB and he never exclusively played the position.

Also Cutler wasn't known for his mobility coming out of college. He was known because he was the SEC offensive player of the year, and for his accuracy and especially strong arm. He had some mobility, sure, but he came out the same year as Vince Young whose mobility overshadowed Cutler's. Cutler's offense didn't use very many waggles or boots, either.

Tebow was more like a generic football player that ran the ball a lot and threw some. He was recruited by Florida and a number of schools for his multi-dimensional abilities. I wouldn't say Tebow is know for his outside the pocket abilities either. He's know for his runs up the middle where he would bowl people over and his ability to pass well out of the shotgun. Again, he didn't make a ton of plays outside the pocket. He was a more pass-heavy spread offense that had some option thrown in.

I would say the only thing the two have in common is both were all-around good football players coming out of high school and both played QB in the SEC. Their styles and personae could not be more different from each other.

VY was all the rage and how I remember the draft being covered was that Cutler was a big, mobile QB with a big arm. What he lacked was long playing time at the QB position and hence, was not real polished.

Both are about the same size. So, again, I see similarities between Cutler and Tebow.

HEAV
05-01-2010, 10:48 AM
Cutler stats @ Vandy

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4808/cutstat.jpg

Tebow @ Florida

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4933/tebowst.jpg

tsiguy96
05-01-2010, 10:50 AM
Cutler stats @ Vandy

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4808/cutstat.jpg

Tebow @ Florida

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4933/tebowst.jpg

you see this stuff and its just crazy that so many people thought tebow cant play in the NFL.

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 10:53 AM
Cutler stats @ Vandy

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/4808/cutstat.jpg

Tebow @ Florida

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4933/tebowst.jpg


I rest my case.

Popps
05-01-2010, 11:10 AM
you see this stuff and its just crazy that so many people thought tebow cant play in the NFL.

Those are just freakish numbers. I have no idea if he'll be a good pro, but those numbers (against quality competition) are insane.

Cito Pelon
05-01-2010, 11:10 AM
If given the right amount of time to learn (Like McNair) and not forced to start from day 1 and have to carry the burden of franchise savior, Tim can be a stud NFL quarterback.

The key tool he has is desire to succeed! The kid will work his ass off to be better and learn. He's every coaches dream! A player that loves the game and is willing to do whatever it takes to get better and will listen!

Agreed. Orton will be the starter come opening day. Orton is no sissy, he'll come out firing in TC. And I don't see a scenario where Tebow tries to undermine Orton, or Quinn. Tebow will bide his time.

Brandstater? That guy may come out firing also. It's gonna be interesting, very interesting. Competition is always good.

GoBroncos84
05-01-2010, 11:28 AM
Agreed. Orton will be the starter come opening day. Orton is no sissy, he'll come out firing in TC. And I don't see a scenario where Tebow tries to undermine Orton, or Quinn. Tebow will bide his time.

Brandstater? That guy may come out firing also. It's gonna be interesting, very interesting. Competition is always good.

I'm hoping that whoever is the odd man out, I can't imagine 4 QBs on the final roster, we can get something for in a trade rather than just releasing. Best case scenario might be Brandstater to the PS, but I doubt he would clear waivers

gyldenlove
05-01-2010, 11:31 AM
I rest my case.

So you think college stats are important, I think you are 100% wrong. Guess how much NFL success these two players have had.

26462

26463

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 11:40 AM
So you think college stats are important, I think you are 100% wrong. Guess how much NFL success these two players have had.

26462

26463

what? I think your missing the point.

anton
05-01-2010, 12:00 PM
I agree with gyldenlove. I like Tebow but comparing his stats in that offense where he mostly threw to fast backs out of the backfield is stupid.

2008 game by game video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpqmGwQC6K0

theAPAOps5
05-01-2010, 12:04 PM
I feel I have to post this again guys. Do you see what I see thats from rookie camp on Friday. DO NOT QUESTION TEBOW

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/picsay-1272676845.jpg

theAPAOps5
05-01-2010, 12:05 PM
In all seriousness though I couldn't believe the amount of media outside of Dove Valley yesterday. Josina on the Fan yesterday said there were about 50 to 60 members of the media including National media.

I have a feeling East/West Coast bias won't be an issue for the Broncos this year.

Lev Vyvanse
05-01-2010, 12:10 PM
I agree with gyldenlove. I like Tebow but comparing his stats in that offense where he mostly threw to fast backs out of the backfield is stupid.



Florida Gator 2009 pass catching leader board by position:
1. WR
2. TE
3. WR
4. WR
5. RB
6. WR

anton
05-01-2010, 12:19 PM
Florida Gator 2009 pass catching leader board by position:
1. WR
2. TE
3. WR
4. WR
5. RB
6. WR

touche but in that offense, WRs often times line up at RB (Harvin in 2008) or get screens behind the LOS (kinda like the 2009 Broncos). A lot of Tebow's throws were short due to the scheme.

Very different from the offense that Cutler was in at Vandy.

tsiguy96
05-01-2010, 12:22 PM
touche but in that offense, WRs often times line up at RB (Harvin in 2008) or get screens behind the LOS (kinda like the 2009 Broncos). A lot of Tebow's throws were short due to the scheme.

Very different from the offense that Cutler was in at Vandy.

i honestly believe you dont know what you are talking about, and throwing stuff out and hoping it sticks or you dont get called on it.

gyldenlove
05-01-2010, 12:25 PM
what? I think your missing the point.

Your point was that Tebow had better stats than Cutler and therefore nobody should question his abilility to be an NFL QB - or am I wrong?

Cito Pelon
05-01-2010, 12:29 PM
In all seriousness though I couldn't believe the amount of media outside of Dove Valley yesterday. Josina on the Fan yesterday said there were about 50 to 60 members of the media including National media.

I have a feeling East/West Coast bias won't be an issue for the Broncos this year.

It's gonna continue, but I think it's a good thing. All the Qb's are media-savvy, the vets are gonna have a good time with it, the rooks can hide.

I think the vets know this will be a good team, the vets aren't attention-hounds, so they'll be happy to have Tebow as the media attention-getter, and McD handles the media well, takes on all the questions. The rest of the team will go about the business of winning.

HEAV
05-01-2010, 12:34 PM
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Just saw this and cracked up laugh'n!

anton
05-01-2010, 12:41 PM
i honestly believe you dont know what you are talking about, and throwing stuff out and hoping it sticks or you dont get called on it.

can you expand on this? what am i throwing out?

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Your point was that Tebow had better stats than Cutler and therefore nobody should question his abilility to be an NFL QB - or am I wrong?

My point is that many posters here are disappointed Cutler is gone (the franchise, remember?) and cling to the fact that he's all that and a bag of chips too. I'm just pointing out that Tebow is similar in physical make up and ability (aside from Cutler's arm strength) yet pundits keep saying he is not NFL QB worthy, esp. in the first round.

anton
05-01-2010, 12:55 PM
My point is that many posters here are disappointed Cutler is gone (the franchise, remember?) and cling to the fact that he's all that and a bag of chips too. I'm just pointing out that Tebow is similar in physical make up and ability (aside from Cutler's arm strength) yet pundits keep saying he is not NFL QB worthy, esp. in the first round.

College stats dont prove anything in that paragraph..

broncosteven
05-01-2010, 01:00 PM
I feel I have to post this again guys. Do you see what I see thats from rookie camp on Friday. DO NOT QUESTION TEBOW

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/picsay-1272676845.jpg

I just ate a Tebow shaped Dorito

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 01:13 PM
College stats dont prove anything in that paragraph..

eh, ok...

Kaylore
05-01-2010, 01:28 PM
eh, ok...

They really don't. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but Tebow is not the next Jay Cutler. Telling people that are still upset about losing Cutler that Tebow is even a similar player is not true, and frankly won't make them feel any better.

I'm also not quite sure how after someone posted how different both player's stats in college were that you were able to "rest" your case. All it proved was how different they were from each other and how Cutler had a crappy team and Tebow had a good one. Tebow rushed for more TD's in one season than Cutler did in his entire career at Vandy, and that includes the first two seasons Cutler played in the option offense. Their body types, throwing motion, how they attack coverages, attitude, leadership qualities, and scrambling ability are all very different from each other. There really is no comparison.

brncs_fan
05-01-2010, 01:34 PM
McDaniels will be on Total Access tonight talking about Tebow. Should be interesting to hear.

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 01:42 PM
They really don't. I appreciate what you're trying to do, but Tebow is not the next Jay Cutler. Telling people that are still upset about losing Cutler that Tebow is even a similar player is not true, and frankly won't make them feel any better.

I'm also not quite sure how after someone posted how different both player's stats in college were that you were able to "rest" your case. All it proved was how different they were from each other and how Cutler had a crappy team and Tebow had a good one. Tebow rushed for more TD's in one season than Cutler did in his entire career at Vandy, and that includes the first two seasons Cutler played in the option offense. Their body types, throwing motion, how they attack coverages, attitude, leadership qualities, and scrambling ability are all very different from each other. There really is no comparison.

I never said Tebow is the next Cutler. I hope he's not. I'm saying that they were similar QBs in college and that both had similar attributes, styles. Cutler was considered a very ligitimate pro prospect. Tebow is not. That's all I'm saying. If you don't 'get it' I'm sorry.

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 01:51 PM
Tebow's college passing stats compare favorably to Cutler's. I just find it ironic that people dog Tebow (and I'm one of them please remember) but they ignore Cutler's negetives. Where they differ is personalities and ability to win. Sure, Tebow's teams had talent but all teams that win championships do. Do I think Tebow is the next Cutler, no. Do I see a lot of Cutler apologists, yes. Are intangibles important? We shall see...

Kaylore
05-01-2010, 01:51 PM
I never said Tebow is the next Cutler. I hope he's not. I'm saying that they were similar QBs in college and that both had similar attributes, styles. Cutler was considered a very ligitimate pro prospect. Tebow is not. That's all I'm saying. If you don't 'get it' I'm sorry.

I understand what you're saying, Tomb. I don't think you're "getting" what I'm saying. They aren't similar. They are very, very different from each other. If they were similar, than Tebow would have been considered a better pro prospect b/c his skill set would better translate to a pro offense the way Cutler's did.

The criticisms of Tebow and his game aren't at all similar to Cutler's. Their styles weren't similar either. Cutler was more gunslinger. He'd throw stuff up for grabs hoping Earl Bennet would bring it down. Tebow was extremely careful with the ball and usually made good reads and rarely made a bad throw. He also had more weapons and a better line and so could afford to spread things around more.

I'm not mad or upset, I just don't understand where you're getting that they are similar players when that couldn't be further from the truth. You watch any one game from either one and they are two totally different people.

GreatBronco16
05-01-2010, 02:13 PM
Cutler sucks, Tebow is a God.

Next. :yayaya:

HEAV
05-01-2010, 03:28 PM
Got to admit Tebow had a solid 09 season even with the loss of Harvin and Murphy to the NFL.

Popps
05-01-2010, 05:18 PM
Tebow was obv a better college player.

Cutler has been dog**** as a pro, so we'll see if Tebow can surpass him at that level, too.

Requiem
05-01-2010, 05:24 PM
This is how I feel about Tebow.

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/133869-1/Couch_cat_dances.gif

gyldenlove
05-01-2010, 05:51 PM
My point is that many posters here are disappointed Cutler is gone (the franchise, remember?) and cling to the fact that he's all that and a bag of chips too. I'm just pointing out that Tebow is similar in physical make up and ability (aside from Cutler's arm strength) yet pundits keep saying he is not NFL QB worthy, esp. in the first round.

And that argument somehow has anything to do with college stats?

TheReverend
05-01-2010, 05:55 PM
I never said Tebow is the next Cutler. I hope he's not. I'm saying that they were similar QBs in college and that both had similar attributes, styles. Cutler was considered a very ligitimate pro prospect. Tebow is not. That's all I'm saying. If you don't 'get it' I'm sorry.

They're pretty much at opposite ends of the spectrum as far as their college play-style and careers go...

Dedhed
05-01-2010, 06:50 PM
They're pretty much at opposite ends of the spectrum as far as their college play-style and careers go...
They're pretty much complete opposites in everything that they do. The only thing they have in common is talent.

There is literally nothing else that is comparable between the two.

TheReverend
05-01-2010, 06:57 PM
They're pretty much complete opposites in everything that they do. The only thing they have in common is talent.

There is literally nothing else that is comparable between the two.

They're both strong and white.

That's all I got.

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 07:05 PM
And that argument somehow has anything to do with college stats?

Tebow's passing stats are better than Cutler's. Yet, Cutler was thought to be a great NFL QB prospect, even with questionable mechanics. I don't know how much more clear I can be. I sound robotic. Thank you Mr. Man.

Dedhed
05-01-2010, 07:08 PM
I agree with gyldenlove. I like Tebow but comparing his stats in that offense where he mostly threw to fast backs out of the backfield is stupid.

2008 game by game video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpqmGwQC6K0

Are you imagining that this video supports your "Tebow...mostly threw to fast backs out of the backfield" take?

gyldenlove
05-01-2010, 07:10 PM
Tebow's passing stats are better than Cutler's. Yet, Cutler was thought to be a great NFL QB prospect, even with questionable mechanics. I don't know how much more clear I can be. I sound robotic. Thank you Mr. Man.

Graham Harrells and Colt Brenanns passing stats were a lot better than John Elways, Brett Favres, Peyton Mannings, Dan Marinos, Steve Youngs, Joe Montanas, Drew Brees, Tom Bradys do you want me to keep going?

I am not sure how to tell you this any more clearly but college stats are worthless, 100%.

Dedhed
05-01-2010, 07:19 PM
I am not sure how to tell you this any more clearly but college stats are worthless, 100%.

So are the opinions of draft gurus.

bronco610
05-01-2010, 07:31 PM
So are the opinions of draft gurus.

Or arm chair GM's on the Mane !!!!! :~ohyah!:

Tombstone RJ
05-01-2010, 07:48 PM
Graham Harrells and Colt Brenanns passing stats were a lot better than John Elways, Brett Favres, Peyton Mannings, Dan Marinos, Steve Youngs, Joe Montanas, Drew Brees, Tom Bradys do you want me to keep going?

I am not sure how to tell you this any more clearly but college stats are worthless, 100%.

So, why was Cutler a better pro prospect than Tebow?

randomtask
05-01-2010, 08:08 PM
So, why was Cutler a better pro prospect than Tebow?

Better arm strength, played in a pro style offense, excelled without nfl talent at almost every position, Has a much quicker release, read defenses in a conventional way (didn't look at d-line as the first read), threw the ball without much wobble (which hurts accuracy).

In contrast, Tebow is better at taking care of the football, running, leading and winning.

You should really stop trying to compare them, Tebow is a Qb project that could pay off extremely well in the future, whereas Cutler was a qb capable of starting pretty much right away in the nfl.

snowspot66
05-01-2010, 08:46 PM
Better arm strength, played in a pro style offense, excelled without nfl talent at almost every position, Has a much quicker release, read defenses in a conventional way (didn't look at d-line as the first read), threw the ball without much wobble (which hurts accuracy).

In contrast, Tebow is better at taking care of the football, running, leading and winning.

You should really stop trying to compare them, Tebow is a Qb project that could pay off extremely well in the future, whereas Cutler was a qb capable of starting pretty much right away in the nfl.

I think that's been proven wrong.

randomtask
05-01-2010, 08:49 PM
I think that's been proven wrong.

I didn't say that he was any good, I'm just saying he was more NFL-ready than Tebow is.

TheReverend
05-01-2010, 09:07 PM
We really turning Tebow into Cutler bashing now?

Tebow H Christ...

Ratboy
05-01-2010, 09:14 PM
He looks slow.

ghwk
05-01-2010, 09:28 PM
He looks slow.

And he runs upright for an option QB. Gerald Wilhitish almost.

outdoor_miner
05-01-2010, 11:15 PM
Are you imagining that this video supports your "Tebow...mostly threw to fast backs out of the backfield" take?

Seriously - what the hell? About 10% of that video is comprised of throws to "fast backs out of the backfield"... He threw downfield a ton.

BioCore
05-02-2010, 01:40 AM
Tebow was obv a better college player.

Cutler has been dog**** as a pro, so we'll see if Tebow can surpass him at that level, too.

Lol of course he has

Don't be such an idiot

Arkie
05-02-2010, 07:29 AM
Losing is very hard on Tebow. He cried both times. I doubt he could endure all of Cutler's 35 losses in college. Tebow would be so dehydrated! :Whaaaa!:

rmsanger
05-02-2010, 07:37 AM
But Cutler has that rocket arm...

OABB
05-02-2010, 07:38 AM
Actually the only real comparison is that they both cry.

Chris
05-02-2010, 07:51 AM
Except Cutler cries for himself and Tebow cries for you.

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 08:42 AM
Except Cutler cries for himself and Tebow cries for you.

Because his tears cure chlamydia, crabs, herpes, and gonorrhea. The cure for AIDS is in beta testing.

Tombstone RJ
05-02-2010, 10:18 AM
Better arm strength, played in a pro style offense, excelled without nfl talent at almost every position, Has a much quicker release, read defenses in a conventional way (didn't look at d-line as the first read), threw the ball without much wobble (which hurts accuracy).

In contrast, Tebow is better at taking care of the football, running, leading and winning.

You should really stop trying to compare them, Tebow is a Qb project that could pay off extremely well in the future, whereas Cutler was a qb capable of starting pretty much right away in the nfl.

Where are you getting all this crap from? Again, Cutler's mechanics were in question my friend. What your saying is a fabrication. I.dont.know.how.much.more.clear.I.can.be.

mr007
05-02-2010, 10:51 AM
Where are you getting all this crap from? Again, Cutler's mechanics were in question my friend. What your saying is a fabrication. I.dont.know.how.much.more.clear.I.can.be.

Give it up man. Your original statement said there's many similarities between the two and there simply aren't, that's where you aren't clear, and apparently that's not what's becoming clear to you. To add to that, you said Cutler used to play linebacker which shows you really have no clue what you're talking about.

This is also the first I'm hearing of Cutlers mechanics being questioned. Do you have a link somewhere for this?

randomtask
05-02-2010, 11:02 AM
Where are you getting all this crap from? Again, Cutler's mechanics were in question my friend. What your saying is a fabrication. I.dont.know.how.much.more.clear.I.can.be.

Bulls**t.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/815.html

I don't see anything on there questioning his mechanics. I've looked at three different predraft scouting reports on cutler, and have yet to see where his mechanics are questioned. If you can find a link saying so, please provide it.

You really don't think that Cutler has a quicker release? Really? Why don't we look at it for ourselves then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-SznesvQgM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpByl518m3o&feature=player_embedded

Look at the first pass in the 2nd video and compare it to the 1st video. The 1st video shows a very fast, compact throwing motion, Whereas the 2nd shows a very elongated, and slow motion. The first takes around 1/3 of a second or so to go from not throwing to out of the hand, while the second takes damn near 2/3 of a second. While 1/3 of a second difference may not seem like that much to you, It's an eternity on the football field. 1/3 of a second is the difference between a sack or a touchdown throw, a missed read resulting in an interception and a correct read for a first down. 1/3 of a second can be the difference between a win and a loss.

I get that you're trying to pimp tebow with this, but please stop trying to compare the two. They were extremely different prospects. If you're going to make claims, at least do a modicum of research before posting those claims.

Rausch 2.0
05-02-2010, 11:28 AM
actually the only real comparison is that they both cry.

rofl!

OrangeCrush2724
05-02-2010, 11:43 AM
Watched an interesting piece on Tebow's new and old throwing motion by Sports Science. The new motion saves him 60 ms which equates to 2 feet. Which is enormous being in an NFL pocket. I hope he can pick up the new throwing motion in game time. That and having to read defenses.

Here is the vid for those who missed it:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5118225

colonelbeef
05-02-2010, 11:44 AM
Tebow was obv a better college player.

Cutler has been dog**** as a pro, so we'll see if Tebow can surpass him at that level, too.

oh god. C'mon back to earth Poops

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 11:49 AM
oh god. C'mon back to earth Poops

Well Cutler has been dog poo thus far. He can still get better of course because the talent is there.

Its not inaccurate to say Tebow was the better college player. The only argument you could make is that you would have to see how Cutler played if on a better team.

But I don't think he would be better than Tebow at the college level. But its also inaccurate to say that Tebow will be better than Cutler in the pros. Just too many question marks save for the attitude.

Paladin
05-02-2010, 11:50 AM
He looks slow.

Dooofus, the camp was set on a slow pace because the coaches were teaching. The Olinemen looked "slow", too. Try to keeop up with the program.....

Chris
05-02-2010, 11:56 AM
No need for name calling.

HEAV
05-02-2010, 12:01 PM
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Cutler never wanted to be a QB



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Tebow has always wanted to be a QB, and will work his ass off to be a quarterback

colonelbeef
05-02-2010, 12:05 PM
Well Cutler has been dog poo thus far. He can still get better of course because the talent is there.

Its not inaccurate to say Tebow was the better college player. The only argument you could make is that you would have to see how Cutler played if on a better team.

But I don't think he would be better than Tebow at the college level. But its also inaccurate to say that Tebow will be better than Cutler in the pros. Just too many question marks save for the attitude.

Dog poo is of course hyperbole. Last year was a setback, but he was playing for the inept Bears, with subpar talent all around, and he is obviously immature on a number of levels. He is still a superior talent to Tebow in every facet of the game.

There have been many college QBs statistically superior to Cutler that amounted to absolutely zero in the pro game. There are too many variables to mention, I'm sure you are aware of them. Comparing Cutler @ Vandy to Tebow @ florida is not a straightforward endeavor.

I am not saying that Tebow won't be a competent NFL QB. He very well may be, I have reserved judgment until I see him on the field in a game. Cutler, whether or not jaded Broncos fans want to admit, is at this point an accomplished, if not unpolished, starting NFL QB with still unlimited potential. Tebow is a project hybrid player who may or may not be capable of being an every down player.

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 12:07 PM
Dog poo is of course hyperbole. Last year was a setback, but he was playing for the inept Bears, with subpar talent all around, and he is obviously immature on a number of levels. He is still a superior talent to Tebow in every facet of the game.

There have been many college QBs statistically superior to Cutler that amounted to absolutely zero in the pro game. There are too many variables to mention, I'm sure you are aware of them. Comparing Cutler @ Vandy to Tebow @ florida is not a straightforward endeavor.

I am not saying that Tebow won't be a competent NFL QB. He very well may be, I have reserved judgment until I see him on the field in a game. Cutler, whether or not jaded Broncos fans want to admit, is at this point an accomplished, if not unpolished, starting NFL QB with still unlimited potential. Tebow is a project hybrid player who may or may not be capable of being an every down player.

LOL speaking of coming down to earth! Every facet of the game, man what are you smoking. Some facets yes but every single one. Man that is crazy talk.

colonelbeef
05-02-2010, 12:16 PM
LOL speaking of coming down to earth! Every facet of the game, man what are you smoking. Some facets yes but every single one. Man that is crazy talk.

As a QB? Cutler is superior. Arm strength, accuracy, quicker release, footwork, throws a tighter spiral, fantastic pocket awareness. Tebow is a better fullback, I will give you that.

_Oro_
05-02-2010, 12:17 PM
"Big Nuts, Big Nuts, RIGHT HERE!"

colonelbeef
05-02-2010, 12:21 PM
Again- I am not saying Tebow will be unsuccessful. He is obviously a good athlete and eager to please. I hope he is a quick learner and proves many of the draftniks completely wrong. He is a project, and likely will be for the next few years. Believe me, I am hopeful that he is able to beat out Orton and Quinn, two players I do not have any confidence in.

HEAV
05-02-2010, 12:23 PM
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Kaylore
05-02-2010, 12:28 PM
Every facet? That's an incredibly stupid use of hyperbole.

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 12:28 PM
As a QB? Cutler is superior. Arm strength, accuracy, quicker release, footwork, throws a tighter spiral, fantastic pocket awareness. Tebow is a better fullback, I will give you that.

Riiighhttt LOL

I can't believe you typed pocket presence, totally kills your argument.

Now we can also go into leadership, maturity, attitude, ego and Cutler starts to look real bad.

Again I am not saying Tebow will be better than Cutler but I won't be surprised. Tebow wants it and will do anything to get it. Cutler wants people to anoint him and thinks he is already there.

TheReverend
05-02-2010, 12:48 PM
Cutler is superior when you're looking at the prototypical QB that the NFL has looked for.

Tebow is superior when you're looking for an overall football player and have an offensive mind capable of using what he brings to the table.

End tangent and back on topic please.

Play2win
05-02-2010, 12:54 PM
Tebow is a lot more like Elway than Cutler will ever be... in the things that matter...

Dogsweat
05-02-2010, 01:37 PM
Focus on the Pharisee: Tim Tebow's Homie---James Dobson.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/july/dobson.html

True doctrine about Religious phonies.

If Tebow follows this guy's false teachings, then are you guys are going to be scammed.

Keep buying his jersey.

What does this have to do with football---zero.

But supporting him and buying his material funds these false teachers.

TheReverend
05-02-2010, 01:46 PM
Focus on the Pharisee: Tim Tebow's Homie---James Dobson.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/july/dobson.html

True doctrine about Religious phonies.

If Tebow follows this guy's false teachings, then are you guys are going to be scammed.

Keep buying his jersey.

What does this have to do with football---zero.

But supporting him and buying his material funds these false teachers.

Get a life

randomtask
05-02-2010, 01:48 PM
So anyways, does anyone know how Tebow's progressing at minicamp?

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 01:53 PM
Focus on the Pharisee: Tim Tebow's Homie---James Dobson.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/july/dobson.html

True doctrine about Religious phonies.

If Tebow follows this guy's false teachings, then are you guys are going to be scammed.

Keep buying his jersey.

What does this have to do with football---zero.

But supporting him and buying his material funds these false teachers.

I will pray for you tonight. You will like that won't you. God bless my brother Jesus is watching over you.

Dogsweat
05-02-2010, 01:54 PM
Get a life

I have one and does not consist of Bowing Down and Worshipping Tim Tebow.

lol

Dogsweat
05-02-2010, 01:55 PM
I will pray for you tonight. You will like that won't you. God bless my brother Jesus is watching over you.

Make sure you use your custom prayer rug....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkoJpDMYYMY&feature=fvw

TheReverend
05-02-2010, 01:56 PM
I have one and does not consist of Bowing Down and Worshipping Tim Tebow.

lol

Instead it consists of baselessly criticizing choices he's made that positively impact the world around him?

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 01:56 PM
I have one and does not consist of Bowing Down and Worshipping Tim Tebow.

lol

Jesus loves you this I know. For the bible tells me soJesus loves me! This I know,for the Bible tells me so.Little ones to him belong;they are weak, but he is strong

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 01:57 PM
Make sure you use your custom prayer rug....

My friend God doesn't require tools to pray for lost souls. I am praying for you now. May Jesus lay his hands upon you.

Dogsweat
05-02-2010, 01:59 PM
My friend God doesn't require tools to pray for lost souls. I am praying for you now. May Jesus lay his hands upon you.


lol

theAPAOps5
05-02-2010, 01:59 PM
Ah the wonder of God is already working. I can already see you becoming more relaxed.

gyldenlove
05-02-2010, 02:18 PM
So, why was Cutler a better pro prospect than Tebow?

Because being a QB is about throwing the football and Cutler is better at throwing the football than Tebow is.

Archer81
05-02-2010, 02:25 PM
Because being a QB is about throwing the football and Cutler is better at throwing the football than Tebow is.


College stats dont prove that.

Cutler has a very good arm, but jacked up mechanics.

So does Tebow.

:Broncos:

HAT
05-02-2010, 03:12 PM
Cutler is better at throwing the football than Tebow is.

To DB's?

gyldenlove
05-02-2010, 03:23 PM
College stats dont prove that.

Cutler has a very good arm, but jacked up mechanics.

So does Tebow.

:Broncos:

Exactly, college stats doesn't prove anything. Video however does clearly demonstrate that Cutler has more throwing power, a tighter spiral, a more compact throwing motion and better accuracy on balls thrown more than 10 yards down field.

The NFL draft is not about who you are, but who you can become, Cutler was some experience and patience away from being a really good pro QB, experience comes on its own and patience is something some learn and some don't. Tebow on the other hand needs a complete rewiring of his throwing mechanics and footwork as well as learning how to read defenses on the fly instead of using presnap reads. Ultimately the end result is independent of how much work was required to get there, you can fail at an easy task and succeed at a difficult one, but probability and the popular "what have you done for me lately" mentality in the NFL both favour the player who only requires small tweaks.

That is also why Bradford, Suh and Mccoy were all thought to be superior NFL talents, they don't need as much work to become good or even great.

baja
05-02-2010, 04:09 PM
As a QB? Cutler is superior. Arm strength, accuracy, quicker release, footwork, throws a tighter spiral, fantastic pocket awareness. Tebow is a better fullback, I will give you that.

colonbeef I think you need some Hamburger Helper

bronco610
05-02-2010, 04:17 PM
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LMAO..... the benny hill music was awesome !!!!!!! :thumbsup:

Dedhed
05-03-2010, 07:57 AM
Exactly, college stats doesn't prove anything. Video however does clearly demonstrate that Cutler has more throwing power, a tighter spiral, a more compact throwing motion and better accuracy on balls thrown more than 10 yards down field.

I disagree on better accuracy over 10 yards. For all his arm strength, Cutler's deep ball is not very good. The rest of the above is true.

However, the video also shows that Cutler makes worse decisions, throws off his back foot more often, throws into double/triple coverage more often, lacks pocket presence, pouts more, lacks leadership, isn't nearly as mobile, and is lacking as a competitor when compared to Tebow.

We'll all be witness to which trait's make for a better NFL quarterback.

jhns
05-03-2010, 08:18 AM
Why are people trying to compare Tebows and Cutlers game? You do all realize Cutler has been playing in the NFL and Tebow has yet to take a snap yet, right? I mean, I haven't even started this stuff yet and I am probably one of the most pissed off fans when it comes to us giving away Cutler.

Anyways, reading what people have to say about Cutler is just funny. You guys act like a bunch of children that got your feelings hurt. I can see why. After watching what our offense was without him, I have cried a lot as well. The difference is I blame the person responsible.

TonyR
05-03-2010, 08:24 AM
Video however does clearly demonstrate that Cutler has more throwing power, a tighter spiral, a more compact throwing motion and better accuracy on balls thrown more than 10 yards down field...


You're completely ignoring the intangibles where, on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best, Cutler is probably no better than a 4 and Tebow is probably close to a 10. Cutler has the better NFL QB skills and mechanics at this point but on things such as being a winner, coachability, leadership, maturity, attitude, etc. Tebow is far better than Cutler. And more than any position on the field such intangibles are crucial for an NFL QB.

jhns
05-03-2010, 08:25 AM
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However, the video also shows that Cutler makes worse decisions, throws off his back foot more often, throws into double/triple coverage more often, lacks pocket presence, pouts more, lacks leadership, isn't nearly as mobile, and is lacking as a competitor when compared to Tebow.


See, this is what I mean. Lacks pocket presence? What? Did you watch what happened to our line the instant he left? Even before injuried, Orton was sacked more than Cutler was the entire season before. Isn't nearly as mobile? Tebow is mobile but how can you say a QB from an option offense isn't nearly as mobile, like it is a weakness or something. To add to that, since when has running been a part of a successful QBs game?

Lacking as a competitor? Maybe he doesn't handle himself well but I would say he was one of the biggest competitors we had when he was here. Cutler never had an offseason with us. He took receivers to work out, he came here to work with coaches, but didn't take time off. You could see how upset he was when plays went bad. He always ran with plays and threw many blocks when he was here. You can say a lot of bad things about Cutler but sayin he isn't a compeitior is dumb. What exactly has Tebow done to show he is more of a competitor? Go through a few college seasons? Riiiight....

crowebomber
05-03-2010, 08:26 AM
Ah the wonder of God is already working. I can already see you becoming more relaxed.

Man, I didn't even think of all the religious debates that will come up on the Mane with the arrival of Tebow. This is going to be a great year. ^5

jhns
05-03-2010, 08:28 AM
You're completely ignoring the intangibles where, on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best, Cutler is probably no better than a 4 and Tebow is probably close to a 10. Cutler has the better NFL QB skills and mechanics at this point but on things such as being a winner, coachability, leadership, maturity, attitude, etc. Tebow is far better than Cutler. And more than any position on the field such intangibles are crucial for an NFL QB.

If this is all you have to sell Tebow with, we are screwed. Show me the last QB that did anything because he was more mature. This is the NFL, you have to have skill and lots of it. That isn't saying Tebow doesn't, just laughing at your comment.

oubronco
05-03-2010, 08:29 AM
We'll see if he can read a defense or go thru his progressions, The NFL is alot different than looking at your first read and if it's not there then tuck it and run

jhns
05-03-2010, 08:33 AM
Riiighhttt LOL

I can't believe you typed pocket presence, totally kills your argument.

Now we can also go into leadership, maturity, attitude, ego and Cutler starts to look real bad.

Again I am not saying Tebow will be better than Cutler but I won't be surprised. Tebow wants it and will do anything to get it. Cutler wants people to anoint him and thinks he is already there.

We can only hope Tebow actually has the drive Cutler does. Cutler was first in and last out during a full NFL season, which requires a lot more work than college. Also, Cutler never even took an off season while here. He took receivers places or came in and worked with coaches. You guys that got your feelings hurt by Cutler are just funny to read. You seem to not care about saying dumb stuff and being wrong as long as you get some Cutler bashing.

Lucky for us, Tebow is said to have a good work ethic. I would love to hear we have another QB that works with receivers in the offseason. How do you think guys like Manning get such good rythm with receivers?

I do think it is funny that people claim Cutler just wants to be anointed or that he refuses to work on stuff. What is he doing putting in more work than anyone else we have had in the past 10 years? Making sure his hair looks good in all the film?

Popps
05-03-2010, 08:35 AM
Let's all remember that Quitler's mechanics weren't great, either. He threw well when he felt like it, and the other half of the time... he was moping around, throwing it off of his back foot, side-armed, etc. A lot of posters picked up on that almost immediately around here. (And eventually the media talked about it.)

So, Puffy Jay needed to correct mechanical problems in his game, too. Difference is... he had no intention of doing so.

Inkana7
05-03-2010, 08:59 AM
We'll see if he can read a defense or go thru his progressions, The NFL is alot different than looking at your first read and if it's not there then tuck it and run

I hate this misconception that QBs who can run just do it after only looking at their first read.

jhns
05-03-2010, 09:01 AM
I hate this misconception that QBs who can run just do it after only looking at their first read.

That is how a lot of college spread works. One or two reads and run.

misturanderson
05-03-2010, 09:04 AM
I do think it is funny that people claim Cutler just wants to be anointed or that he refuses to work on stuff. What is he doing putting in more work than anyone else we have had in the past 10 years? Making sure his hair looks good in all the film?

Well we know he wasn't: working on getting past his first or second read, learning the right time to throw a check down pass, learning to look off the safety, working on setting his feet and squaring to the receiver before he throws, learning when to just throw the ball away, learning to read the defenses so he didn't throw so many stupid passes into double coverage, etc.

Either that or he just wasn't SUCCEEDING at working on any of those things since he has shown no improvement in any of those areas since his 2nd season.

So who knows what he was working on?

oubronco
05-03-2010, 09:04 AM
I hate this misconception that QBs who can run just do it after only looking at their first read.

I'm not saying this because he can run it's more like he's similar to Vince Young in that they looked at their first read and then ran and thats not going to cut it in the NFL. That's the offense he ran at Florida the bad thing is it didn't prepare him for the NFL, But we'll see

jhns
05-03-2010, 09:09 AM
Well we know he wasn't: working on getting past his first or second read, learning the right time to throw a check down pass, learning to look off the safety, working on setting his feet and squaring to the receiver before he throws, learning when to just throw the ball away, learning to read the defenses so he didn't throw so many stupid passes into double coverage, etc.

Either that or he just wasn't SUCCEEDING at working on any of those things since he has shown no improvement in any of those areas since his 2nd season.

So who knows what he was working on?

Sure, he doesn't know how to read a defense or go past his first read. He always throws off his back foot and into quadruple coverage. This all shows he is going to be one of the greatest QBs ever when he gets a good coach again. I mean, he obviously does everything wrong as he throws for 4500 yards and 25 TDs, while completing over %60. Just imagine what he will do as he learns some.

I do agree that he needs better coaching though. If Martz isn't better than what he had lasy year, he will only get worse. Since Martz actually knows a little about offense, I doubt that happens.

snowspot66
05-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Sure, he doesn't know how to read a defense or go past his first read. He always throws off his back foot and into quadruple coverage. This all shows he is going to be one of the greatest QBs ever when he gets a good coach again. I mean, he obviously does everything wrong as he throws for 4500 yards and 25 TDs, while completing over %60. Just imagine what he will do as he learns some.

I do agree that he needs better coaching though. If Martz isn't better than what he had lasy year, he will only get worse. Since Martz actually knows a little about offense, I doubt that happens.

You're making the assumption that he can and will learn all of that to take his game to the next level. He's going into his fifth year. He should be in the early prime of his career but we're all talking about him as if he's a second year guy still.

And why can't Tebow fix his problems if Cutler can fix his? Nobody on Earth can say with confidence that Cutler will work harder than Tebow to fix problems. And Tebow is definitely in a better situation to work on it than Cutler.

OABB
05-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Awwwww. its so good to see Jhizz making friends again.

jhns
05-03-2010, 09:33 AM
And why can't Tebow fix his problems if Cutler can fix his? Nobody on Earth can say with confidence that Cutler will work harder than Tebow to fix problems. And Tebow is definitely in a better situation to work on it than Cutler.

I never said he can or can't fix anything. I am simply laughing at all of the wrong things being said about him. Cutler will only get better if he gets much better coaching than he has last season. He will get much worse if they use him like they did last season.

As for this Tebow comment. I haven't said anything about Tebow. I will wait to talk about him until I have actually watched him play. Just like nobody can say Cutler will work harder than Tebow, the same is true the other way. Cutler has already shown he is one of the harder workers in this league. Tebow hasn't had that chance yet. Again, nothing I have said is saying anything about Tebow.

jhns
05-03-2010, 09:35 AM
Awwwww. its so good to see Jhizz making friends again.

Aww, look at who came up with a cute little nickname for me! Sorry man, I'm not gay. I am flattered though.

OABB
05-03-2010, 09:38 AM
Aww, look at who came up with a cute little nickname for me! Sorry man, I'm not gay. I am flattered though.

Thanks. I liked it alot too.

Cito Pelon
05-03-2010, 09:39 AM
I'm not saying this because he can run it's more like he's similar to Vince Young in that they looked at their first read and then ran and thats not going to cut it in the NFL. That's the offense he ran at Florida the bad thing is it didn't prepare him for the NFL, But we'll see

Well, he's coachable, and he's calm. Nothing rattles him. He's confident and knows if he puts the work in he'll excel. So he'll learn to be a pocket passer. McD said Tebow knows how to read D's better than most of the QB's he's interviewed.

The future looks bright for the Broncs. Orton will do fine this year, Quinn is a competitor, will challenge to start provided he takes the coaching well. 'Stater, seems like the staff didn't like him too much after all.

oubronco
05-03-2010, 09:44 AM
Well, he's coachable, and he's calm. Nothing rattles him. He's confident and knows if he puts the work in he'll excel. So he'll learn to be a pocket passer. McD said Tebow knows how to read D's better than most of the QB's he's interviewed.

The future looks bright for the Broncs. Orton will do fine this year, Quinn is a competitor, will challenge to start provided he takes the coaching well. 'Stater, seems like the staff didn't like him too much after all.

I read somewhere that Quinn had slowed down his process and is getting alot more accurate, how that translates to the field I don't know but maybe one of them will standout and become really good for us

Cito Pelon
05-03-2010, 10:11 AM
Man, I didn't even think of all the religious debates that will come up on the Mane with the arrival of Tebow. This is going to be a great year. ^5

Not if there's a bunch of religious debates. BTW, I knew a guy many years ago said him and Wahoo McDaniel lived on the res and fought in Korea together.

misturanderson
05-03-2010, 10:28 AM
I never said he can or can't fix anything. I am simply laughing at all of the wrong things being said about him. Cutler will only get better if he gets much better coaching than he has last season. He will get much worse if they use him like they did last season.

What's the excuse for his stagnant progression as a QB from year 2 to year 3? He made all of the same mistakes, didn't do anything positive in the stat department except throw the ball more and get sacked less behind a much better OL. What the hell were you watching that makes you think that he has improved his game at all since the offseason between his rookie and 2nd seasons?

jhns
05-03-2010, 10:33 AM
What's the excuse for his stagnant progression as a QB from year 2 to year 3? He made all of the same mistakes, didn't do anything positive in the stat department except throw the ball more and get sacked less behind a much better OL. What the hell were you watching that makes you think that he has improved his game at all since the offseason between his rookie and 2nd seasons?

4500 yards and 25 TDs while passing at over %60. All that while trying to carry a team with a ton of injuries, no defense, an offense of all rookie to third year players, and a crap special teams. He had a much better o-line that completely fell apart the instant he was given away. Sure, he never got any better while here.

oubronco
05-03-2010, 10:41 AM
4500 yards and 25 TDs while passing at over %60. All that while trying to carry a team with a ton of injuries, no defense, an offense of all rookie to third year players, and a crap special teams. He had a much better o-line that completely fell apart the instant he was given away. Sure, he never got any better while here.

The results are in on the Jay Cutler trade.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235

baja
05-03-2010, 10:44 AM
If this is all you have to sell Tebow with, we are screwed. Show me the last QB that did anything because he was more mature. This is the NFL, you have to have skill and lots of it. That isn't saying Tebow doesn't, just laughing at your comment.

Ya think he won the HT because he can speed read the bible???

crowebomber
05-03-2010, 10:44 AM
Not if there's a bunch of religious debates. BTW, I knew a guy many years ago said him and Wahoo McDaniel lived on the res and fought in Korea together.

Very cool. My grandparents used to take me to the State Fair to watch him wrestle in the late 70s. He was my grandpa's favorite because he had played for the Broncos. I still have an autographed 8x10 from him somewhere at my parents' house. I need to find it and hang it over my bar.

jhns
05-03-2010, 10:45 AM
The results are in on the Jay Cutler trade.

Here's what the Broncos got: starting quarterback Kyle Orton, starting outside linebacker Robert Ayers, first-round receiver Demaryius Thomas, third-round receiver Eric Decker, one-half of tight end Richard Quinn (Bears' draft pick plus one more to get him) and one-third of quarterback Tim Tebow (draft pick plus two more).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15000235

I knew you would agree with me.