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jhns
05-03-2010, 10:49 AM
Ya think he won the HT because he can speed read the bible???

Way to read.

Popps
05-03-2010, 11:15 AM
4500 yards and 25 TDs while passing at over %60. All that while trying to carry a team with a ton of injuries, no defense... bla bla bla bla....

There's always a laundry-list of excuses as to why the "franchise" QB can't lead his team to wins.

Meanwhile. Philip Rivers played with similar adversity and led his team to the playoffs two years in a row, and was extremely efficient.

But, really... it's everyone else, not Jay.


Really.

jhns
05-03-2010, 11:21 AM
There's always a laundry-list of excuses as to why the "franchise" QB can't lead his team to wins.

Meanwhile. Philip Rivers played with similar adversity and led his team to the playoffs two years in a row, and was extremely efficient.

But, really... it's everyone else, not Jay.


Really.

LOL

Yes Popps, this is a one man sport and coaching doesn't mean anything at all. The Broncos of two years ago and last years Bears were just as talented as the Chargers and had the exact same offensive coaching.

LOL.... I have to wonder if you guys really believe this stuff. It is good comedy to read.

Popps
05-03-2010, 11:37 AM
LOL

Yes Popps, this is a one man sport and coaching doesn't mean anything at all. .

Wait, so you're bashing Shanahan, now? The guy who made a quality QB out of Griese and a winner out of Jake Plummer? You're bashing him because Cutler couldn't pull his head out?

LOL
The Broncos of two years ago and last years Bears were just as talented as the Chargers and had the exact same offensive coaching. .

Rivers led a team with an average defense and a lackluster offense (with no running game) to a playoff spot two years in a row.

Cutler stepped on his own dick.


That's pretty much all of the evaluation we need.

misturanderson
05-03-2010, 11:41 AM
4500 yards and 25 TDs while passing at over %60. All that while trying to carry a team with a ton of injuries, no defense, an offense of all rookie to third year players, and a crap special teams. He had a much better o-line that completely fell apart the instant he was given away. Sure, he never got any better while here.

Those stats are almost exactly the same as his 2nd year except for more attempts (and all increases that go with that). So once again, where is the improvement?

The defense and STs were just as bad his 2nd year as his 3rd, he had a worse set of RBs in 2007 than 2008 and lost the opening-day starter to injuries both seasons, there were no major offensive injuries outside of the RB position (the most easily replaceable position in Shanahan's offense) in 2008 so I'm not sure where you're going with the whole "ton of injuries" thing, and there is no comparison between a line made up of Lepsis, Hamilton, Old, injured Nalen/Chris Meyers (who we let go for a 6th), Kuper as a rookie and Eric Pears versus one made up of Clady, Hamilton, Weigman, Kuper as a 2nd year player and a fully-healthy Harris (the stats back this up), we also added Eddie Royal to replace Javon Walker. So what exactly is the excuse for his lack of progression as a QB from 2007 to 2008 again?

jhns
05-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Wait, so you're bashing Shanahan, now? The guy who made a quality QB out of Griese and a winner out of Jake Plummer? You're bashing him because Cutler couldn't pull his head out?



Not at all. Shanahan is great with offense and that is why we had a very good offense that season. To bad he sucked at drafting and made a team with little talent and no defense. The offense had a lot of talent starting to develope but they were extremely young that year. The Bears are the offensive coaching I was bashing.

As for the rest. I know, Cutler hurt your feelings. You will move on one day.

jhns
05-03-2010, 11:50 AM
Those stats are almost exactly the same as his 2nd year except for more attempts (and all increases that go with that). So once again, where is the improvement?

LOL

"He had to do a ton more and his numbers went way up, that shows he didn't improve!".

Right. I have the same response for you as I gave to popps. I get that he hurt your feelings, you will eventually move on.

misturanderson
05-03-2010, 12:01 PM
LOL

"He had to do a ton more and his numbers went way up, that shows he didn't improve!".

Right. I have the same response for you as I gave to popps. I get that he hurt your feelings, you will eventually move on.

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
2008 16 16 384 616 62.3 4,526 7.3 25 18 11 69 86.0
2007 16 16 297 467 63.6 3,497 7.5 20 14 27 153 88.1

So he threw 9 more passes a game during his 3rd year in the scheme, surrounded by better offensive talent, including an OL that allowed 16 fewer sacks over the course of the season, despite those increased attempts, and that's an excuse for having a worse QB rating, completion percent, YPA and the same TD:Int ratio? Got it.

At least you've dropped your whole, injuries and defense/STs argument, so you're making some progress.

sisterhellfyre
05-03-2010, 12:06 PM
Man, I didn't even think of all the religious debates that will come up on the Mane with the arrival of Tebow. This is going to be a great year.

Sshhhh, don't tell McSkillet!

Dedhed
05-03-2010, 12:09 PM
If this is all you have to sell Tebow with, we are screwed. Show me the last QB that did anything because he was more mature. This is the NFL, you have to have skill and lots of it. That isn't saying Tebow doesn't, just laughing at your comment.

Ryan Leaf's physical skills>Peyton Manning's Physical skills

Ryan Leaf's maturity< Peyton Mannings maturity

jhns
05-03-2010, 12:12 PM
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
2008 16 16 384 616 62.3 4,526 7.3 25 18 11 69 86.0
2007 16 16 297 467 63.6 3,497 7.5 20 14 27 153 88.1

So he threw 9 more passes a game surrounded by better offensive talent, including an OL that allowed 16 fewer sacks over the course of the season, despite those increased attempts, and that's an excuse for having a worse QB rating, completion percent, YPA and the same TD:Int ratio? Got it.

4500 yards and 25 TDs say that was his best season on the pros. A pro bowl agrees with that.

As for some of the averages. It sure looks to me like they stayed the same even as Cutler was asked to do far more. Maybe the yards per attempt and such went down as they were trying to hold the ball longer and went for an even shorter passing game. The defense that year did see the second fewest drives in the league. That is something that offense doesn't get much credit for. I can see why. They saw the second fewest drives and still were the worst ever Bronco defense.

Anyways, I'm not real sure what you are trying to argue. You just showed it. 1000 more yards and 5 more TDs(passing, people like to skip his rushing). Sure looks better to me.

misturanderson
05-03-2010, 12:13 PM
Ryan Leaf's physical skills>Peyton Manning's Physical skills

Ryan Leaf's maturity< Peyton Mannings maturity

It's so easy to argue with him, yet unrewarding when he deflects your argument to some other topic instead of just admitting that he's wrong.

jhns
05-03-2010, 12:13 PM
Ryan Leaf's physical skills>Peyton Manning's Physical skills


LOL

Ummm.... I would say no.

Maybe you can explain how Manning isn't as physically gifted. Explain what he is missing while he makes every NFL throw, has the size to see over a line, has the size to take hits, has the ability to avoid a rush, and does everything you could want from a QB. This should be interesting.

jhat01
05-03-2010, 12:15 PM
Ryan Leaf's physical skills>Peyton Manning's Physical skills

Ryan Leaf's maturity< Peyton Mannings maturity

Shoot and score.

bronco militia
05-03-2010, 12:19 PM
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Dedhed
05-03-2010, 12:19 PM
See, this is what I mean. Lacks pocket presence? What? Did you watch what happened to our line the instant he left? Even before injuried, Orton was sacked more than Cutler was the entire season before. Isn't nearly as mobile? Tebow is mobile but how can you say a QB from an option offense isn't nearly as mobile, like it is a weakness or something. To add to that, since when has running been a part of a successful QBs game?

Lacking as a competitor? Maybe he doesn't handle himself well but I would say he was one of the biggest competitors we had when he was here. Cutler never had an offseason with us. He took receivers to work out, he came here to work with coaches, but didn't take time off. You could see how upset he was when plays went bad. He always ran with plays and threw many blocks when he was here. You can say a lot of bad things about Cutler but sayin he isn't a compeitior is dumb. What exactly has Tebow done to show he is more of a competitor? Go through a few college seasons? Riiiight....

Orton has nothing to do with this conversation. Sure Cutler's pressence is better than Orton's. Do you want a biscuit?

For all Cutler's mobility, he was far more likely to throw an off balance jump ball than he was to use his mobility to escape a collapsing pocket and buy time. That's presence to me, and Tebow is better than Cutler in that regard.

I didn't say Cutler isn't a competitor. I said Tebow is a better one. Being a competitor is as much about getting the best out of your teammates as it is about simply wanting to win. I'm sure Cutler wanted to win, but I think he'll be remembered for underachieving in Denver, and Chicago thus far, and true competitors rarely underachieve.

Elway would probably argue that running was a pretty important part of his game, and he was successful in my opinion.

OABB
05-03-2010, 12:24 PM
http://www.tebowner.com/pictures/tebow29.jpg

Just awesome. Except that tebow doesn't need bullet proof glass.

jhns
05-03-2010, 12:24 PM
Being a competitor is as much about getting the best out of your teammates as it is about simply wanting to win.

I agree. Our o-line and Royal just waved and asked "Did you forget what happened to us when Cutler left?"

Dedhed
05-03-2010, 12:25 PM
LOL

Ummm.... I would say no.

Maybe you can explain how Manning isn't as physically gifted. Explain what he is missing while he makes every NFL throw, has the size to see over a line, has the size to take hits, has the ability to avoid a rush, and does everything you could want from a QB. This should be interesting.

You would be wrong. Do you understand what a comparison is?

Arm strength, mobility, build.

Here's a take from before they entered the NFL:
Tennessee's Peyton Manning and Washington State's Ryan Leaf have a chance to change that. They will go 1-2, or 2-1, in the April 18 draft to the Colts and Chargers, two bad teams.

So who is better? Manning vs. Leaf is the hot debate of this year's draft.

In the last three weeks, the Daily News polled a coach, GM or personnel director from 25 teams. The question: If you had the first pick, would you take Manning or Leaf? An overwhelming 20 said they would take Manning, three went for Leaf and two declined to give an opinion.

"If there is a more impressive guy in the country than Peyton Manning, I would be shocked," Bucs coach Tony Dungy said.
Bills GM John Butler would take Leaf. "He takes some hits and can buy extra time with his exceptional strength," he said. "He can look off people and get it done. You like the big, strong guys. It's a tough game where you take a lot of punishment."

Some of those picking Manning said they were just more familiar with him than Leaf. The bottom line: Manning may be the best-prepared quarterback to ever come into the NFL. He absorbed football through his father, Archie, and has a coach's understanding of the game. He's the safe pick with big-game experience and has a better chance to have success right away than Leaf.

Leaf is more physically imposing with a better arm; he's unshakable in the pocket, an aggressive, confident player who may have more long-term upside than Manning. Both, though, could be starters as rookies.

OABB
05-03-2010, 12:26 PM
I knew you would agree with me.

At least the bears didn't use a first round pick on cutler, right jhiz.

Dedhed
05-03-2010, 12:26 PM
I agree. Our o-line and Royal just waved and asked "Did you forget what happened to us when Cutler left?"And yet again I'll ask what this has to do with Tebow.

jhns
05-03-2010, 12:28 PM
Here's a take from before they entered the NFL:


LOL

Good joke.

You want me to show you what some people are saying about Tebow before he enters the NFL? Are you really going to back these pre-NFL reports as always being real accurate?

jhns
05-03-2010, 12:31 PM
And yet again I'll ask what this has to do with Tebow.

Nothing a all. Like I said when I started posting in this thread. I am just laughing at how dumb people act when they get their feelings hurt by a player like Cutler.

Do you want to spin it now to not being about Tebow just because I point out how ridiculous you all are?

Dedhed
05-03-2010, 12:32 PM
LOL

Good joke.

You want me to show you what some people are saying about Tebow before he enters the NFL? Are you really going to back these pre-NFL reports as always being real accurate?

Clearly you're unable to separate what it is we're talking about. This post had nothing to do with Tebow. It was in response to your idiotic take that maturity has nothing to do with good QB play.

Leaf's physical skills were superior to Manning's. If you want to argue that, then you're just dishonest and we can end this debate here.

Manning being "More polished" is exactly like saying he's more mature, and maturity clearly won out over physical talent.

jhns
05-03-2010, 12:34 PM
At least the bears didn't use a first round pick on cutler, right jhiz.

Dude, I told you I don't roll that way. Please stop trying to give me cute nicknames.

You are correct though. They didn't use a first on him.

bronco militia
05-03-2010, 12:35 PM
Just awesome. Except that tebow doesn't need bullet proof glass.

check out tebowner.com

TonyR
05-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Good joke.

You want me to show you what some people are saying about Tebow before he enters the NFL? Are you really going to back these pre-NFL reports as always being real accurate?

Wow, would it be possible to miss a point by a larger margin than you do? Why do you bother spending time on a discussion forum when you can't have an honest, reasonable discussion with anyone and either won't listen to, or don't understand, what other people have to say? If ignorance is bliss you must be one of the happiest people around, that's for sure.

jhns
05-03-2010, 12:40 PM
Clearly you're unable to separate what it is we're talking about. This post had nothing to do with Tebow. It was in response to your idiotic take that maturity has nothing to do with good QB play.

Leaf's physical skills were superior to Manning's. If you want to argue that, then you're just dishonest and we can end this debate here.

Manning being "More polished" is exactly like saying he's more mature, and maturity clearly won out over physical talent.

I never once claimed maturity has nothing to do with it. Your example proves my point. I said you also have to have skill and a lot of it.

Again, scouting reports from what they did in college mean nothing. You can't be a better physical speciman at QB than Manning is. He has the perfect size and can make every throw in the NFL. It is actually impossible to be better physically for a QB unless you are looking for an option QB.

As for maturity, your response fails on another level. Just like Cutler, Manning pouts when doing bad. Just like Cutler, Manning gets in his teams face when doing bad. Manning even has thrown his line under the bus before and went to the press saying a loss was their fault. I would bet he would even be mad if his team had trade talks right after one of his pro bowl years.

bronco militia
05-03-2010, 12:41 PM
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jhns
05-03-2010, 12:48 PM
Why do you bother spending time on a discussion forum when you can't have an honest, reasonable discussion.

I say the same thing about most of you. You get your feelings hurt by a player and reality doesn't matter anymore.

You explain it then. What is Manning missing physically that Leaf has? What can a QB be missing when he can make every throw and has great size? He has no problem in the pocket so it can't be mobility.

Again though, if these reports are accurate to you guys, are you beliveing everything they say about Tebow? I don't know how good he is and won't judge him until I see him play. If I go off of pre draft reports, we are screwed. I guess it is good for me that I don't take them as fact.

HEAV
05-03-2010, 01:37 PM
This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list.

jhns
05-03-2010, 01:41 PM
This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list.

LOL

Look at the drama queen vie for attention.

Popps
05-03-2010, 01:57 PM
We'll see if he can read a defense or go thru his progressions, The NFL is alot different than looking at your first read and if it's not there then tuck it and run

Well, to be fair... if Cutler would do that, he might not lead the league in INTs every year.

Flex Gunmetal
05-03-2010, 02:04 PM
LOL

Look at the drama queen vie for attention.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Popps
05-03-2010, 02:06 PM
It's pretty simple... Cutler did absolutely nothing in Denver. He had one high-yardage, high-INT season and wrongly attended a Pro Bowl over a much better QB. (Which everyone knows in hindsight, now.)

So, if Cutler did nothing as a Bronco... the bar has been set for Tebow. He just has to do something that's better than absolutely nothing.

If he turns out to be a reliable back-up, he's worth More than Cutler to the franchise.

I'm not sure why we even need to have this conversation. Cutler did less than Brian Griese as a Bronco.

jhns
05-03-2010, 02:09 PM
and wrongly attended a Pro Bowl over a much better QB. (Which everyone knows in hindsight, now.)


Wrong again there Popps. I know you don't know much about this sport but if you watched that season, you would realize how wrong everyone is that says this. Even if you wanted Rivers in over someone, that someone would be Favre. Look up the records. Look up the stats. You need to replace more than one QB to say Cutler didn't earn it.

jhns
05-03-2010, 02:14 PM
Hypocrisy at it's finest.

I don't think you understand what hypocrisy means.

Popps
05-03-2010, 02:22 PM
Even if you wanted Rivers in over someone, that someone would be Favre. .

Dude, everyone on this forum thinks you're a complete idiot. Even Cutler lovers think you're an ass. So, save me the lecture on football knowledge. With lex gone, you're the least-respected poster here, by a longshot.

As for that season, Rivers deserved to be in over Cutler... period. Favre might have gotten in on reputation, but at least he has something going for him.

Cutler thew the 2nd most INTs in the league, won nothing... was outplayed by a better QB in his own division, and backed into a lucky Pro Bowl spot based on yardage.

Again, Brian Greise means much more to this franchise in the big picture than Cutler did.

Griese will at least be remembered as a guy who played during a playoff year.

Cutler will be remembered as a punk who has never won at any level, and talked **** on his way out of Denver.

NYBronco
05-03-2010, 02:31 PM
Dude, everyone on this forum thinks you're a complete idiot. Even Cutler lovers think you're an ass. So, save me the lecture on football knowledge. With lex gone, you're the least-respected poster here, by a longshot.

As for that season, Rivers deserved to be in over Cutler... period. Favre might have gotten in on reputation, but at least he has something going for him.

Cutler thew the 2nd most INTs in the league, won nothing... was outplayed by a better QB in his own division, and backed into a lucky Pro Bowl spot based on yardage.

Again, Brian Greise means much more to this franchise in the big picture than Cutler did.

Griese will at least be remembered as a guy who played during a playoff year.

Cutler will be remembered as a punk who has never won at any level, and talked **** on his way out of Denver.



I don't know... I think the players Denver has picked up in the trade for the "franchise" interception machine means alot to the Broncos. The team has filled many needs with alot of potential talent.

jhns
05-03-2010, 02:44 PM
Dude, everyone on this forum thinks you're a complete idiot. Even Cutler lovers think you're an ass. So, save me the lecture on football knowledge. With lex gone, you're the least-respected poster here, by a longshot.


LOL

"I know you are %100 correct about what you say but I have this great spin about how reputation now means a different guy earned his pro bowl over Cutler! Oh and you are stupid and no one likes you!"

Again, the comedy spewn on this forum is far too good to pass up.

Dedhed
05-03-2010, 06:40 PM
I never once claimed maturity has nothing to do with it. Your example proves my point. Wrong

Show me the last QB that did anything because he was more mature. I showed you Peyton Manning.

theAPAOps5
05-03-2010, 06:54 PM
LOL

"I know you are %100 correct about what you say but I have this great spin about how reputation now means a different guy earned his pro bowl over Cutler! Oh and you are stupid and no one likes you!"

Again, the comedy spewn on this forum is far too good to pass up.

You know its better to let people think you are a fool than opening up your mouth and removing any doubt.

Actually I would rather you keep posting its fun to laugh at the stupid things you say.

azbroncfan
05-03-2010, 06:57 PM
Cutler had a bunch of amazing games though. 2008 opener comes to mind. Yes, it was Oakland but still.

He did and I don't want this to get into a Cutler thread but he never had an amazing game against a good team in a big game to clinch division/playoffs/etc.

azbroncfan
05-03-2010, 07:01 PM
I

I would say the only thing the two have in common is both were all-around good football players coming out of high school and both played QB in the SEC. Their styles and personae could not be more different from each other.

Except Tebow wasn't an all around good player he was the best HS player ever in Florida by some. Recruited by 80 schools or so. He got to pick where he wanted to go. Plus Tebow won at both levels unlike Gay ****ler.

Dogsweat
05-03-2010, 07:01 PM
Tebow= Sell a bunch of jerseys-- but will be a huge bust.

He can't throw properly for the NFL.

College yes. NFL no.

misturanderson
05-03-2010, 07:04 PM
Except Tebow wasn't an all around good player he was the best HS player ever in Florida by some. Recruited by 80 schools or so. He got to pick where he wanted to go. Plus Tebow won at both levels unlike Gay ****ler.

Hell he is called the best college football player ever in the whole country by some people too. It's pretty hard to argue with his career accomplishments.

HAT
05-03-2010, 07:09 PM
Dude, everyone on this forum thinks you're a complete idiot. Even Cutler lovers think you're an ass. So, save me the lecture on football knowledge. With lex gone, you're the least-respected poster here, by a longshot.

He's basically a dragster/rasta/bf7 clo(w)ne who happens to be just smart enough to not get banned every 4-6 weeks (unfortunately).

fdf
05-03-2010, 07:12 PM
It's pretty simple... Cutler did absolutely nothing in Denver.

He did get us a bundle of draft picks :)

TonyR
05-03-2010, 07:22 PM
...Tebow had a great college career and won a title, but so did...

There are literally hundreds of examples of great college players who bombed in the NFL. Is this supposed to be new information to anybody? Tebow might be a huge bust, I think we're all aware of that.

jhns
05-03-2010, 08:00 PM
He's basically a dragster/rasta/bf7 clo(w)ne who happens to be just smart enough to not get banned every 4-6 weeks (unfortunately).

I have had 0 warnings and 1 ban since I have been here. Close though.

2KBack
05-03-2010, 08:09 PM
There are literally hundreds of examples of great college players who bombed in the NFL. Is this supposed to be new information to anybody? Tebow might be a huge bust, I think we're all aware of that.

the funny thing is, there are just as many examples of great college players succeeding in the NFL. Of course some people prefer to focus on the busts.

Flex Gunmetal
05-03-2010, 08:37 PM
I don't think you understand what hypocrisy means.

It is hypocritical of you to label someone a drama queen when you in fact cry for attention and stir sh!t up more than anyone else here.

jhns
05-03-2010, 08:42 PM
It is hypocritical of you to label someone a drama queen when you in fact cry for attention and stir **** up more than anyone else here.

so...

baja
05-03-2010, 09:29 PM
I have had 0 warnings and 1 ban since I have been here. Close though.

I have had zero warnings and zero banns in ten years

HAT
05-03-2010, 09:57 PM
I have had 0 warnings and 1 ban since I have been here. Close though.

Oh jhns....Always making my point for me and further showing your reading comprehension sucks. :thanku:

You can't make this **** up.

SoCalBronco
05-03-2010, 09:59 PM
Tim Tebow gets to touch the art at museums.

montrose
05-03-2010, 10:13 PM
Tim Tebow gets to touch the art at museums.

Museums do not come alive for Ben Stiller, they come alive for Tim Tebow.

baja
05-03-2010, 10:15 PM
Tim Tebow gets to touch the art at museums.

Who is Art and why is Tebow touching him.

theAPAOps5
05-04-2010, 02:17 AM
When Tamiflu gets sick it takes Tebow

jhns
05-04-2010, 06:00 AM
I have had zero warnings and zero banns in ten years

See, I'm just off of being the same poster as baja.

jhns
05-04-2010, 06:08 AM
Oh jhns....Always making my point for me and further showing your reading comprehension sucks. :thanku:

You can't make this **** up.

It happens. I thought you were saying I walk the line or something. You know the "just smart enough" part. I would say that shows otherwise. I just find it funny how much you all cry about my posting as I only give opinions. You all then come in and want to make it about the poster because you can't handle others opinions. I would say you all are much worse posters.

OABB
05-04-2010, 06:24 AM
It happens. I thought you were saying I walk the line or something. You know the "just smart enough" part. I would say that shows otherwise. I just find it funny how much you all cry about my posting as I only give opinions. You all then come in and want to make it about the poster because you can't handle others opinions. I would say you all are much worse posters.

Dude, you suck. Just face it.

jhns
05-04-2010, 06:28 AM
Dude, you suck. Just face it.

Don't worry, you all will agree with everything I say the second McDaniels is fired. It will be pretty funny bumping some of the dumb stuff said as Cutler gets better than anything we have. I just find it funny how mad people get if you laugh at their silly justifications for the dumb moves McDaniels makes. That is the only reason you all get so upset. I point out the obvious.

OABB
05-04-2010, 06:34 AM
Don't worry, you all will agree with everything I say the second McDaniels is fired. It will be pretty funny bumping some of the dumb stuff said as Cutler gets better than anything we have. I just find it funny how mad people get if you laugh at their silly justifications for the dumb moves McDaniels makes. That is the only reason you all get so upset. I point out the obvious.

Nothing is obvious after one year jhiz. If you want to hang your hat on guesses go ahead but don't pretend they are facts. In fact if you are going to us facts, your oppinion would be that cutler is overated and the broncs are rebuilding.

Go find anything I said positive about mcd please. I'm one of those crazy people that bases opinion off of what is here and not what I want to be there. You see, you are an emotional douchebag. Which is why you suck as a poster. Mmkay?

jhns
05-04-2010, 06:40 AM
In fact if you are going to us facts, your oppinion would be that cutler is overated and the broncs are rebuilding.

I only read/speak English.

It is a fact that trading Cutler was a dumb move. Elway, Shanahan, and McDaniels have all said so. I know people here on this forum know about QBs and what is good for the team. The thing is, I trust those three more.

OABB
05-04-2010, 06:43 AM
I only read/speak English.

It is a fact that trading Cutler was a dumb move. Elway, Shanahan, and McDaniels have all said so. I know people here on this forum know about QBs and what is good for the team. The thing is, I trust those three more.

You won't know this for a while. No one will. You are acting like a little girl. Just state that this is your opinion and let others have there's you alist douchestroid. What if we go on to win the sb and cutler is out of the league? It could happen. You see why you suck yet?

jhns
05-04-2010, 06:54 AM
You won't know this for a while. No one will.

Look, even McDaniels said it is never in the best interest of the Broncos to trade Cutler. Funny that the answer wasn't when we can get a bunch of picks or when he acts immature. Elway, Shanahan, McDaniels, and Bowlen have all said Cutler is a great talent. They all have talked about how good he can become (obviously needs good coaching still). I think these guys know what they are talking about when it comes to QB play.

OABB
05-04-2010, 06:59 AM
Look, even McDaniels said it is never in the best interest of the Broncos to trade Cutler. Funny that the answer wasn't when we can get a bunch of picks or when he acts immature. Elway, Shanahan, McDaniels, and Bowlen have all said Cutler is a great talent. They all have talked about how good he can become (obviously needs good coaching still). I think these guys know what they are talking about when it comes to QB play.

I didn't like that trade at first. My avatar was mcdaniels looking at a special olympics kid and saying " I can make him a probowler". But, as time went on I got over it and at this point I am happy with the direction of ourteam and think I may have overhyped cutler. I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like now. Any reasonable person would see it that way. Can it change? Sure. But will it? I don't know. I certainly won't be a twat about it untill I have seen enough to form an opinion.

Flex Gunmetal
05-04-2010, 07:42 AM
so...

So you are a hypocrite. Do you understand the meaning of the word a little better now?

Rohirrim
05-04-2010, 07:49 AM
Yesterday, at camp, Tebow turned the water into Gatorade.

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 07:59 AM
I have had zero warnings and zero banns in ten years

I've had 14 warnings, three 1 month bans, two 6 month bans and a partridge in a pear tree.

:yayaya:

jhns
05-04-2010, 08:06 AM
So you are a hypocrite. Do you understand the meaning of the word a little better now?

You are.

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 08:12 AM
You are.

no, you are

jhns
05-04-2010, 08:13 AM
no, you are

That is pretty rude.

HorseHead
05-04-2010, 08:14 AM
Tebow as the Pope...that just made my day..thank you..hys-f-in-sterical...

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 08:50 AM
I only read/speak English.

It is a fact that trading Cutler was a dumb move. Elway, Shanahan, and McDaniels have all said so. I know people here on this forum know about QBs and what is good for the team. The thing is, I trust those three more.

You really need to learn the definition of "fact". It is a FACT that Chicago had a worse record than Denver last year. It is OPINION that trading Cutler was a bad move. And given the records, not sure how one could come to that OPINION. Either way, you simply don't know the difference between facts and opinions.

You see, you try to convince people that what you tell them is FACT. If what you said was indeed a FACT, then YOU WOUNDN"T NEED TO TRY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE.....because FACTS ARE IRREFUTABLE.

Furthermore, I had no idea that McDaniels said that trading Cutler was a dumb move......really, I didn't. Could you provide a link or some proof that McD, in fact, said this?

jhns
05-04-2010, 08:57 AM
Furthermore, I had no idea that McDaniels said that trading Cutler was a dumb move......really, I didn't. Could you provide a link or some proof that McD, in fact, said this?

Facts are only irrefutable when not dealing with people. People tend to put their own spin and justification on anything they can, even facts. Look at religion. A ton of it refutes many different facts. That is the way humans are. If the facts don't line up with what they want to hear, they find some way to refute them.

Now that we have the lesson on people out of the way, I will answer your question. Yes, I can provide a link showing that McDaniels said it is dumb to trade Cutler.

Rohirrim
05-04-2010, 08:58 AM
I would hate to get sand in my Ipod.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 09:01 AM
I would hate to get sand in my Ipod.

:strong:

Me too!

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 09:04 AM
Facts are only irrefutable when not dealing with people. People tend to put their own spin and justification on anything they can, even facts. Look at religion. A ton of it refutes many different facts. That is the way humans are. If the facts don't line up with what they want to hear, they find some way to refute them.

Now that we have the lesson on people out of the way, I will answer your question. Yes, I can provide a link showing that McDaniels said it is dumb to trade Cutler.

Ok....good. But your first quote said it "was" dumb to trade Cutler....meaning McDaniels admitted he made a dumb move AFTER the trade went down.

Now you just said above that McD said it "is" (or would be?) dumb to trade Cutler....which leads me to believe that McD MAY have implied BEFORE he traded Cutler that it WOULD be dumb to trade him. This would be totally different that saying it was dumb AFTERWARDS. But I'll wait on your link.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-04-2010, 09:14 AM
Facts are only irrefutable when not dealing with people. People tend to put their own spin and justification on anything they can, even facts. Look at religion. A ton of it refutes many different facts. That is the way humans are. If the facts don't line up with what they want to hear, they find some way to refute them.

Now that we have the lesson on people out of the way, I will answer your question. Yes, I can provide a link showing that McDaniels said it is dumb to trade Cutler.

OK, where's the link?

And your argument about facts is flimsy at best, though irrelevent

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 09:22 AM
Facts are only irrefutable when not dealing with people. People tend to put their own spin and justification on anything they can, even facts. Look at religion. A ton of it refutes many different facts. That is the way humans are. If the facts don't line up with what they want to hear, they find some way to refute them.

Now that we have the lesson on people out of the way, I will answer your question. Yes, I can provide a link showing that McDaniels said it is dumb to trade Cutler.

So, you're an alien then? I think I now understand where your coming from...

jhns
05-04-2010, 09:41 AM
So, you're an alien then?

I am a legal US citizen. I know this because I was born and raised here.

jhns
05-04-2010, 09:43 AM
OK, where's the link?

In my favorites because I have used it so much.

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 09:44 AM
I am a legal US citizen. I know this because I was born and raised here.

But you're not a 'person' so I'm thinking you're from Planet ZX0124P is the Delta Quadrant?

Sorry, I had to correct my own bad grammar... where's the grammar police anyway?

jhns
05-04-2010, 09:47 AM
But your not a 'person' so I'm thinking your from Planet ZX0124P is the Delta Quadrant?

I wish I could afford the nice Delta Quadrand. My family came from the slums of the Zeta Quadrant.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 09:50 AM
I am a legal US citizen. I know this because I was born and raised here.

Is that a fact?

jhns
05-04-2010, 09:53 AM
Is that a fact?

Obviously not as someone is refuting it in this thread.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 09:53 AM
Still waiting on the "proof" that McDaniels admitted trading Cutler was "dumb".

HEAV
05-04-2010, 10:13 AM
Yesterday, at camp, Tebow turned the water into Gatorade.

Ya...but what flavor?:yayaya:

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 10:14 AM
Obviously not as someone is refuting it in this thread.

But it is debatable because it has to do with a person, right?

Ner!

jhns
05-04-2010, 10:40 AM
But it is debatable because it has to do with a person, right?

Ner!

I'm not even sure what you just said.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 10:48 AM
I'm not even sure what you just said.

not suprised, it's called following logic.

jhns
05-04-2010, 10:50 AM
not suprised, it's called following logic.

Or it's called, you can't read.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 11:03 AM
Facts are only irrefutable when not dealing with people.

According to this, the "fact" that you are a legal US citizen because you were born here is debatable because facts that deal with people are debatable.

Get it?

jhns
05-04-2010, 11:12 AM
According to this, the "fact" that you are a legal US citizen because you were born here is debatable because facts that deal with people are debatable.

Get it?

Read the rest of that. I explained what I was saying. I didn't say facts that deal with people are debatable. I said when you argue with people they will refute facts that don't support their twisted understanding of something. It was a response to someone saying something can't be a fact because they refuted it and facts are irrefutable.

Me and my family being from Earth was refuted. That means it isn't a fact that me and my family are from Earth according to what you guys say. What transpired after that, "facts are irrefutable", was said only shows how dumb that thought is.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 11:19 AM
Still waiting on the "proof" that McDaniels admitted trading Cutler was "dumb".

Yes, I'm quoting myself.....but only because I'm REALLY surprised that McD said that trading Cutler was "dumb".

Come on dude, where's the quote?

misturanderson
05-04-2010, 11:26 AM
Read the rest of that. I explained what I was saying. I didn't say facts that deal with people are debatable. I said when you argue with people they will refute facts that don't support their twisted understanding of something. It was a response to someone saying something can't be a fact because they refuted it and facts are irrefutable.

Me and my family being from Earth was refuted. That means it isn't a fact that me and my family are from Earth according to what you guys say. What transpired after that, "facts are irrefutable", was said only shows how dumb that thought is.

God you're dumb.

jhns
05-04-2010, 11:26 AM
Yes, I'm quoting myself.....but only because I'm REALLY surprised that McD said that trading Cutler was "dumb".

Come on dude, where's the quote?

I told you, it is in an article that is in my favorites. It is also in a few threads on this site as I have posted it and quoted it a lot in the last year.

jhns
05-04-2010, 11:27 AM
God you're dumb.

I created everything you know and you call me dumb?

Pseudofool
05-04-2010, 11:28 AM
I told you, it is in an article that is in my favorites. It is also in a few threads on this site as I have posted it and quoted it a lot in the last year.So it should be no trouble for you to post it again, since you have it handy in your favorites.

jhns
05-04-2010, 11:30 AM
So it should be no trouble for you to post it again, since you have it handy in your favorites.

That is correct. It would be very easy to do.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 11:40 AM
I didn't say facts that deal with people are debatable. Yes you did. Whether you meant to is another question.

I said when you argue with people they will refute facts that don't support their twisted understanding of something. It was a response to someone saying something can't be a fact because they refuted it and facts are irrefutable.Facts are irrefutable. The giant point that you're unable to grasp is this: The Cutler trade being dumb is not in any way a fact.

Pseudofool
05-04-2010, 11:41 AM
That is correct. It would be very easy to do.
So do it. Give the link.

jhns
05-04-2010, 11:44 AM
Yes you did. Whether you meant to is another question.


No, you just can't read. "when dealing with people" does not mean "when it is about a person". It could mean that, but it doesn't. The way you are trying to read it doesn't make sense with what else was said. It is this thing we call context.

jhns
05-04-2010, 11:46 AM
So do it. Give the link.

You give the link. You don't get to demand stuff from me. I will give links, proof, productive counter points, etc... when we are able to have respectable debates. Until then, I will continue to post at the Manes maturity level.

Inkana7
05-04-2010, 11:57 AM
This has been the most pathetic exchange I've ever seen.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 11:57 AM
You give the link. You don't get to demand stuff from me. I will give links, proof, productive counter points, etc... when we are able to have respectable debates. Until then, I will continue to post at the Manes maturity level.

Well, hell. FACTS are easy to spew when you don't have to show proof.

I'm going to go out a limb here......FACT....McD NEVER said that trading Jay Cutler was a "dumb" move.

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 11:59 AM
This is what happens when jhns makes a statement, claims he has a quote proving it, then actually finds the quote he was referring to and discovers that it doesn't actually say what he claims it said. Sad.

Pseudofool
05-04-2010, 12:10 PM
You give the link. How can I possibly give the link without freaking having it? Your obstinate idiocy is truly unique.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:16 PM
Well, hell. FACTS are easy to spew when you don't have to show proof.

I'm going to go out a limb here......FACT....McD NEVER said that trading Jay Cutler was a "dumb" move.

How do you know? Do you have proof? Let's see it.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:17 PM
This is what happens when jhns makes a statement, claims he has a quote proving it, then actually finds the quote he was referring to and discovers that it doesn't actually say what he claims it said. Sad.

I have posted it here before. In fact, I did not to long ago. I know exactly what it says. I can even quote the entire paragraph from the article word for word, or very close to.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:18 PM
This has been the most pathetic exchange I've ever seen.

Now you know how I feel. It looks like I'm doing a good job showing you guys what it is like to argue with you.

Inkana7
05-04-2010, 12:21 PM
Now you know how I feel. It looks like I'm doing a good job showing you guys what it is like to argue with you.

Is that what you were doing? Really? Okay.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 12:21 PM
This is what happens when jhns makes a statement, claims he has a quote proving it, then actually finds the quote he was referring to and discovers that it doesn't actually say what he claims it said. Sad.

Kind of figured that........

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 12:30 PM
How do you know? Do you have proof? Let's see it.

Yes....I posted it in another thread. ::)

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 12:32 PM
Oh, and btw.......


Whoops. My apologies to the mods.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:35 PM
Oh, and btw.......

26506

You better watch it. Saying fag is how I got banned from here. I wouldn't want you to suffer the same fate. People are sensitive when it comes to homosexuals.

HEAV
05-04-2010, 12:36 PM
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6628/capturevl.jpg

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 12:36 PM
I have posted it here before. In fact, I did not to long ago. I know exactly what it says. I can even quote the entire paragraph from the article word for word, or very close to.

So do I.

I'm guessing you are referring to the "best interest" and "never" interview?

Nowhere is "dumb" even remotely alluded to in that interview.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:38 PM
So do I.

I'm guessing you are referring to the "best interest" and "never" interview?

Nowhere is "dumb" even remotely alluded to in that interview.

Well then that is something you need to take up with the guy that keeps saying "dumb". I have never claimed he used the word dumb. You are getting on the wrong person.

Play2win
05-04-2010, 12:42 PM
WOW!!! BF7 would be PROUD!!! Hilarious! :rofl:

Play2win
05-04-2010, 12:43 PM
And Casino Royal is probably envious...

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:44 PM
Look, even McDaniels said it is never in the best interest of the Broncos to trade Cutler.

See Bean, maybe it would be best to read before jumping in... You actually just said exactly what I said about the interview I was talking about. So, is it that I read it and it didn't say what I claimed? Maybe it's that neither of us know what it says?

I need a nap. It takes a toll being right all the time.

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 12:45 PM
Well then that is something you need to take up with the guy that keeps saying "dumb". I have never claimed he used the word dumb. You are getting on the wrong person.

here's your quote from the last page where you explicitly used the word dumb.

Now that we have the lesson on people out of the way, I will answer your question. Yes, I can provide a link showing that McDaniels said it is dumb to trade Cutler.

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 12:46 PM
See Bean, maybe it would be best to read before jumping in... You actually just said exactly what I said about the interview I was talking about. So, is it that I read it and it didn't say what I claimed? Maybe it's that neither of us know what it says?

I need a nap. It takes a toll being right all the time.

See my post above. You have been owned......as usual.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 12:48 PM
here's your quote from the last page where you explicitly used the word dumb.

No ****.....what is it with this guy? It's like talking to a 3-year old. He says trading Cutler was "dumb".....then claims he never used the word "dumb".

Funny........sad. Pathetic.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:48 PM
here's your quote from the last page where you explicitly used the word dumb.

That isn't even close to where this conversation came from. Again, read it and you would understand it. I don't blame you for not wanting to read it. I'm just pointing out how dumb you look when you don't read and then comment.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:49 PM
See my post above. You have been owned......as usual.

Did you not just read what that said? That is exactly the post this guy with the "dumb" started from. Good try but you failed again.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 12:51 PM
I only read/speak English.

It is a fact that trading Cutler was a dumb move. Elway, Shanahan, and McDaniels have all said so. I know people here on this forum know about QBs and what is good for the team. The thing is, I trust those three more.

So you never said the move was "dumb"? What is this?

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:52 PM
No ****.....what is it with this guy? It's like talking to a 3-year old. He says trading Cutler was "dumb".....then claims he never used the word "dumb".

Funny........sad. Pathetic.

I never said I didn't say it was dumb. I said I never claimed McD used that word. Look at where you started in on the "show me where he said it was "dumb"". So I used it once after about 5 pages of going through this. That makes your point for all the rest of the argument valid?

LOL

Wow this place is funny.

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:52 PM
So you never said the move was "dumb"? What is this?

Reading isn't your string point, is it?

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 12:53 PM
"when dealing with people" does not mean "when it is about a person". It could mean that, but it doesn't. The way you are trying to read it doesn't make sense with what else was said. It is this thing we call context.You don't make sense, period. There is no such thing as a refutable fact.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 12:53 PM
Reading isn't your string point, is it?

Spelling isn't yours

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 12:55 PM
I never said I didn't say it was dumb. I said I never claimed McD used that word.

Hmmmmm, you mean, like right here:

It is a fact that trading Cutler was a dumb move. Elway, Shanahan, and McDaniels have all said so.

Now that we have the lesson on people out of the way, I will answer your question. Yes, I can provide a link showing that McDaniels said it is dumb to trade Cutler.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 12:55 PM
I never said I didn't say it was dumb. I said I never claimed McD used that word.

So how do you explain the two quotes, from you above, where you both say it is a fact it was dumb, and claim McD used that word?

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 12:56 PM
You don't make sense, period. There is no such thing as a refutable fact.

We have winner.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 12:57 PM
Hmmmmm, you mean, like right here:

Seriously.....should we view this as funny or REALLY sad?

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 12:57 PM
Hmmmmm, you mean, like right here:

You can't make this stuff up can you?

jhns
05-04-2010, 12:58 PM
I have never claimed he used the word dumb. You are getting on the wrong person.

I will break this down since it seems to be hard for some here. The "he" after "I have never claimed" means that I am saying I never claimed someone else said something.

I know, this encrypted English I am using makes it hard on you.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 01:00 PM
I will break this down since it seems to be hard for some here. The "he" after "I have never claimed" means that I am saying I never claimed someone else said something.

I know, this encrypted English I am using makes it hard on you.

You CANNOT be this dumb.

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 01:00 PM
I will break this down since it seems to be hard for some here. The "he" after "I have never claimed" means that I am saying I never claimed someone else said something.

Oh, but you did.....twice in fact. As you can clearly see from the quotes above.

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:01 PM
Hmmmmm, you mean, like right here:

Yeah, that works when you cut up my quotes.

You guys win though. McDaniels saying that it is never in the best interest of the team is McDaniels saying it is a smart move.

I can get more intelligent arguments from a 5 year old.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-04-2010, 01:03 PM
You guys are still going back and forth with jhns, huh? We all know he's a moron... no need to further egg him on for proof (though you're doing a spectacular job).

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:03 PM
Oh, but you did.....twice in fact. As you can clearly see from the quotes above.

The next sentence of the one quote says exactly what I claimed McDaniels said. I can see why you need to twist stuff and cut up the quotes. You look dumb if you don't.

TailgateNut
05-04-2010, 01:03 PM
You CANNOT be this dumb.

Oh yes HE CAN!

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 01:03 PM
You CANNOT be this dumb.

This is good comedy, isn't it? So now he claims when he said..."I never claimed HE said it was dumb...." The second HE (capitalized) refers to himself?

This is too good.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 01:04 PM
Yeah, that works when you cut up my quotes.

I can get more intelligent arguments from a 5 year old.

Now I'm starting to feel sorry for you. Arguments often seem more intelligent when they come from like-minded individuals.

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 01:04 PM
Yeah, that works when you cut up my quotes


Clearly, if I didn't cut the fat, you wouldn't be able to follow along.

I can get more intelligent arguments from a 5 year old


I'm guessing you have a lot of experience there. Nobody's stopping you from pursuing those interests BTW.

Beantown Bronco
05-04-2010, 01:06 PM
The next sentence of the one quote says exactly what I claimed McDaniels said.

You claimed he said it was dumb. The next sentence does not say that.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 01:07 PM
You guys are still going back and forth with jhns, huh? We all know he's a moron... no need to further egg him on for proof (though you're doing a spectacular job).If it weren't the dregs of the offseason I wouldn't bother.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 01:07 PM
Hey guys.....Rain isn't wet.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 01:08 PM
I never said rain isn't wet.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 01:09 PM
Hey guys.....Rain isn't wet.

Yes it is, but only when it falls on a person.

I never said rain is wet when it falls on a person.

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:09 PM
The next sentence does not say that.

Exactly, which shows that I win.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 01:11 PM
Exactly, which shows that I win.

It's a fact that I win because, in my own head, I won.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 01:13 PM
Yes it is, but only when it falls on a person.

I never said rain is wet when it falls on a person.

Ha!

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:14 PM
This is good comedy, isn't it? So now he claims when he said..."I never claimed HE said it was dumb...." The second HE (capitalized) refers to himself?

This is too good.

Umm, I said it doesn't refer to me...

If you aren't just joking, you really need to hit up 3rd grade again. It is pretty sad that you can't read and also aren't in school at this time.

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:15 PM
It's a fact that I win because, in my own head, I won.

Nah, it is a fact that I win because I am smarter than the 5 kids trying to egg on the stupidity in this thread.

Inkana7
05-04-2010, 01:18 PM
Nah, it is a fact that I win because I am smarter than the 5 kids trying to egg on the stupidity in this thread.

You're pathetic, man. Sometimes you just gotta cut your losses.

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 01:21 PM
Wow, did I really just read the last three pages?

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:21 PM
So does anyone want to tackle what McDaniels said? What is he claiming when he says it is never in the best interest of this team to trade Cutler? Could it be that he is saying it is dumb to trade Cutler? No? Maybe that claim is that it is a good idea?

Wait, it can't be a good idea and not be in the best interest of the team. Those are contradicting statements. Maybe that jhns guy was right.

So, let's put this argument about dumb on hold. I can't teach you guys everthing in English here. You will have to learn about quotes and the lack thereof on your own. Let's move on to what he is actually saying when he says it is never in the best interest of the Broncos to trade Cutler.

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:22 PM
Wow, did I really just read the last three pages?

I would hope not.

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 01:24 PM
I would hope not.

LOL

see, jhns has a sense of humor too!

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:25 PM
You're pathetic, man. Sometimes you just gotta cut your losses.

What losses? This is a free message board. What can I possibly lose? Respect from a bunch of whiney kids who got their feelings hurt by a young player? You guys are pretty sad individuals. There is no loss if you think badly of me.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 01:35 PM
Nah, it is a fact that I win because I am smarter than the 5 kids trying to egg on the stupidity in this thread.

Sounds to me like you're admitting something here.....hmmm?

theAPAOps5
05-04-2010, 01:40 PM
Nah, it is a fact that I win because I am smarter than the 5 kids trying to egg on the stupidity in this thread.

5 guys trying to egg on the thread?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=91378

So that makes you idiot number 1 then, right?

<a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/?action=view&current=Captureom.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Captureom.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:41 PM
Sounds to me like you're admitting something here.....hmmm?

I said like 3 pages ago that I gave up and was just going to post at the maturity level of the board. I'm not sure what there is to admit.

If I have time later, I may go quote a bunch of this thread to show you how much you need school. I can't stress enough what a good education can do for you. I want you to succeed.

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:44 PM
5 guys trying to egg on the thread?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=91378

So that makes you idiot number 1 then, right?

<a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/?action=view&current=Captureom.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Captureom.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Sure idiot number 4. I bet I can reach 100 posts in this "canp" thread before you.

theAPAOps5
05-04-2010, 01:45 PM
Ah so you are going with the spelling smack now. Kind of running out steam aren't we

Archer81
05-04-2010, 01:47 PM
This thread is epic fail.

:Broncos:

jhns
05-04-2010, 01:48 PM
Ah so you are going with the spelling smack now. Kind of running out steam aren't we

It wasn't "smack". I was trying to start a fun game.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-04-2010, 01:53 PM
This thread is epic fail.

:Broncos:

Well, there's one poster who embodies epic fail. Not sure why everyone keeps continuing to egg him on.

meh. Different strokes.

Archer81
05-04-2010, 01:54 PM
Well, there's one poster who embodies epic fail. Not sure why everyone keeps continuing to egg him on.

meh. Different strokes.


Yup. Some people need to be ignored.

:Broncos:

bowtown
05-04-2010, 01:55 PM
5 guys trying to egg on the thread?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=91378

So that makes you idiot number 1 then, right?

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And TheDave misses another list.

2KBack
05-04-2010, 01:56 PM
5 guys trying to egg on the thread?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=91378

So that makes you idiot number 1 then, right?

<a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/?action=view&current=Captureom.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Captureom.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Stats like this blow my mind when I consider that it took me close to a year to get my first 100 posts

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 01:57 PM
Stats like this blow my mind when I consider that it took me close to a year to get my first 100 posts

Is this a FACT? Do you have proof of that??

:D

2KBack
05-04-2010, 01:59 PM
Is this a FACT? Do you have proof of that??

:D

I never said it took me a year to reach 100 posts

jhns
05-04-2010, 02:00 PM
Stats like this blow my mind when I consider that it took me close to a year to get my first 100 posts

Oh yeah well I only had 3 posts in my first year. I found the board sucked without me though and have really made an effort to turn that count around.

55CrushEm
05-04-2010, 02:00 PM
I never said it took me a year to reach 100 posts

Ha!

jhns
05-04-2010, 02:06 PM
So does anyone want to tackle what McDaniels said? What is he claiming when he says it is never in the best interest of this team to trade Cutler? Could it be that he is saying it is dumb to trade Cutler? No? Maybe that claim is that it is a good idea?

Wait, it can't be a good idea and not be in the best interest of the team. Those are contradicting statements. Maybe that jhns guy was right.

So, let's put this argument about dumb on hold. I can't teach you guys everthing in English here. You will have to learn about quotes and the lack thereof on your own. Let's move on to what he is actually saying when he says it is never in the best interest of the Broncos to trade Cutler.

So no takers? I really would like to know what McDaniels means.

bowtown
05-04-2010, 02:13 PM
So no takers? I really would like to know what McDaniels means.

Could I please see the exact quote in context? It's not that I believe that you have marginal reading comprehension, and selective memory, but... well, actually I do believe that.

Archer81
05-04-2010, 02:15 PM
So no takers? I really would like to know what McDaniels means.


I thought you were done with this thread?


:Broncos:

jhns
05-04-2010, 02:17 PM
I thought you were done with this thread?


:Broncos:

How can I be done with it if I am racing someone to 100 posts in it?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-04-2010, 02:18 PM
I thought you were done with this thread?


:Broncos:

"I never said I was done with this thread."

Archer81
05-04-2010, 02:19 PM
How can I be done with it if I am racing someone to 100 posts in it?


Uhh...ok?

So...why are you done with this thread?


:Broncos:

jhns
05-04-2010, 02:20 PM
Could I please see the exact quote in context? It's not that I believe that you have marginal reading comprehension, and selective memory, but... well, actually I do believe that.

Sure but it will take a couple of hours now. I am on the blackberry and about to start 18 holes. I will give the link and full story when I get home. Bean said it to though. Yes, I know that isn't any better.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-04-2010, 02:23 PM
Sure but it will take a couple of hours now. I am on the blackberry and about to start 18 holes. I will give the link and full story when I get home. Bean said it to though. Yes, I know that isn't any better.

Jesus Christ, I would hate to golf with you.

Golfer: "Your shot, jizzburger."
jhns: "Hang on a second. I'm just posting something on an online chat board."
Golfer: "Ready golf, dumbass."
jhns: "I have to show these guys that McDaniels said..."
Golfer: "NOBODY CARES. HIT THE ****ING BALL."

jhns
05-04-2010, 02:27 PM
Jesus Christ, I would hate to golf with you.

Golfer: "Your shot, jizzburger."
jhns: "Hang on a second. I'm just posting something on an online chat board."
Golfer: "Ready golf, dumbass."
jhns: "I have to show these guys that McDaniels said..."
Golfer: "NOBODY CARES. HIT THE ****ING BALL."

LOL

So true.

Flex Gunmetal
05-04-2010, 02:28 PM
I cannot believe this thread is still happening and people are still responding to jhns.

All you miserable wretches have been played.

Bronco Yoda
05-04-2010, 02:29 PM
Jesus Christ, I would hate to golf with you.

Golfer: "Your shot, jizzburger."
jhns: "Hang on a second. I'm just posting something on an online chat board."
Golfer: "Ready golf, dumbass."
jhns: "I have to show these guys that McDaniels said..."
Golfer: "NOBODY CARES. HIT THE ****ING BALL."

:rofl: no joke.

Chris
05-04-2010, 02:29 PM
Ha!

I can not concentrate with this hot chick on your avatar... and I hate ipods.

ghwk
05-04-2010, 02:48 PM
I can not concentrate with this hot chick on your avatar... and I hate ipods.

Yeah, especially the big ones. Why couldn't they have set her up with the nano? !Booya!

OABB
05-04-2010, 03:05 PM
5 guys trying to egg on the thread?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=91378

So that makes you idiot number 1 then, right?

<a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/?action=view&current=Captureom.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Captureom.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

those 9 were solid.

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 03:44 PM
5 guys trying to egg on the thread?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=91378

So that makes you idiot number 1 then, right?

<a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/?action=view&current=Captureom.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Captureom.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I thought I was idiot #1. Bump.

bowtown
05-04-2010, 04:50 PM
Sure but it will take a couple of hours now. I am on the blackberry and about to start 18 holes. I will give the link and full story when I get home. Bean said it to though. Yes, I know that isn't any better.

Great! Looking forward to it.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 05:11 PM
So no takers? I really would like to know what McDaniels means.

You never said you would like to know what McDaniels means.

Dedhed
05-04-2010, 05:24 PM
Jesus Christ, I would hate to golf with you.

Golfer: "Your shot, jizzburger."
jhns: "Hang on a second. I'm just posting something on an online chat board."
Golfer: "Ready golf, dumbass."
jhns: "I have to show these guys that McDaniels said..."
Golfer: "NOBODY CARES. HIT THE ****ING BALL."
I'd love to play golf with jhns. He reminds of guys I've taken a lot of money from on the course.

jhns
05-05-2010, 06:21 AM
Sorry, was a late night. Here you go.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/2125/mcdaniels-handles-cutler-circus

He said the Broncos are committed to Cutler and the team doesn't want to trade its quarterback. But he did say he will do "what's in the best interest of the team." Asked at what point would it be in the best interest of the team to trade Cutler (who is staying away from the team's offseason workout program and has formally asked to be traded) McDaniels answered: "Never."

jhns
05-05-2010, 06:28 AM
Now it is up to you guys to spin this. How is something that is never in the best interest of the Broncos a smart move? I'm not sure how you can even attempt to spin it away from him saying it is dumb.

From what McDaniels has said, he cut off his nose in spite of his face. I find that to be pretty dumb. I guess if this is the type of management you guys like, that's on you. Again, I will laugh when you are all saying the same thing as me in a couple of years.

So anyways, is there any real Tebow camp news? I jumped in at page 13 or so and it was all Cutler vs Tebow.

meangene
05-05-2010, 07:00 AM
Now it is up to you guys to spin this. How is something that is never in the best interest of the Broncos a smart move? I'm not sure how you can even attempt to spin it away from him saying it is dumb.

From what McDaniels has said, he cut off his nose in spite of his face. I find that to be pretty dumb. I guess if this is the type of management you guys like, that's on you. Again, I will laugh when you are all saying the same thing as me in a couple of years.

So anyways, is there any real Tebow camp news? I jumped in at page 13 or so and it was all Cutler vs Tebow.

Ok, I'll "spin" it for you (though I consider it more of a clarification). I believe what he meant was it is never a good situation when it becomes in the team's best interest to trade a player who is viewed as the franchise quarterback. A situation like the Cutler one is never good for a team. But, given how it played out, and as he clearly stated, he ended up doing what was in the best interest of the team. Taken as a whole, I don't find your interpretation of what McDaniels said particularly compelling - no "smoking gun" as you see it. I also consider the trade anything but "dumb" given the current state of the locker room (devoid of selfish malcontents), the potential of the haul we got for Cutler despite all the dire predictions that we would not get value for him, the lousy year Cutler had, and the current state of our quarterback potential and depth. Now can we talk about Tebow? ;D

bowtown
05-05-2010, 07:03 AM
Sorry, was a late night. Here you go.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/2125/mcdaniels-handles-cutler-circus

He said the Broncos are committed to Cutler and the team doesn't want to trade its quarterback. But he did say he will do "what's in the best interest of the team." Asked at what point would it be in the best interest of the team to trade Cutler (who is staying away from the team's offseason workout program and has formally asked to be traded) McDaniels answered: "Never."

Yep, seems pretty straight forward to me. Hard to believe Cutler could still be so whinny and butt hurt after that affirmation, still put his house up for sale, and still refuse to answer either the coach's or owner's phone calls, and still find a way to b**** himself out of town and suspiciously get a HUGE contract extension a few months later. Seems like Josh felt Cutler could really be a great QB with him and said so as matter of factly as possible. It's really too bad Cutler didn't feel the same. At least this little quote of yours puts to bed any notions to the contrary that the ultimate outcome of that cluster**** should rest solely on Jay Cutler's shoulders..

jhns
05-05-2010, 07:06 AM
Ok, Now can we talk about Tebow? ;D

I don't agree with anything you said. Again "At what point is it in the best interest of the Broncos to trade Cutler. 'Never'". That is a clear statement that it is never in the best interest of this team to trade him. Period.

We can talk about Tebow though. I, for one, hope he is very good for us. Orton is bad. Quinn has potential but hasn't been good to this point. We went and got a full new set of QBs which doesn't make me think highly of Brandstater. So now my only real hope of having a good QB is with Tebow.

jhns
05-05-2010, 07:13 AM
. At least this little quote of yours puts to bed any notions to the contrary that the ultimate outcome of that cluster**** should rest solely on Jay Cutler's shoulders..

LOL

Good comedy.

bowtown
05-05-2010, 07:17 AM
LOL

Good comedy.

How so? It's a fact. Josh said it. It's a quote. Anything else would just be spin.

meangene
05-05-2010, 07:17 AM
I don't agree with anything you said. We can talk about Tebow though. I, for one, hope he is very good for us. Orton is bad. Quinn has potential but hasn't been good to this point. We went and got a full new set of QBs which doesn't make me think highly of Brandstater. So now my only real hope of having a good QB is with Tebow.

Don't count Quinn out too early. He was in a terrible situation in Cleveland. Mike Lombardi reported that Denver had tweaked his release slightly and that seemed to address the accuracy issues. He thinks he will get a real shot to unseat Orton.

jhns
05-05-2010, 07:18 AM
How so? It's a fact. Josh said it. It's a quote. Anything else would just be spin.

That is a pretty dumb post.

jhns
05-05-2010, 07:22 AM
Don't count Quinn out too early. He was in a terrible situation in Cleveland. Mike Lombardi reported that Denver had tweaked his release slightly and that seemed to address the accuracy issues. He thinks he will get a real shot to unseat Quinn.

It will be a very interesting camp and preseason this year, that is for sure.

bowtown
05-05-2010, 07:29 AM
That is a pretty dumb post.

So you have chosen to resort to insults rather than debate. I guess me speaking truth is too much for you to handle, huh?

I can get more intelligent arguments from a 5 year old.

jhns
05-05-2010, 07:38 AM
So you have chosen to resort to insults rather than debate. I guess me speaking truth is too much for you to handle, huh?

I can get more intelligent arguments from a 5 year old.

Debate? LOL

Gain a few dozen IQ points and we can debate. I try debating topics. It doesn't happen. I will just post like you now.

bowtown
05-05-2010, 07:43 AM
Debate? LOL

Gain a few dozen IQ points and we can debate. I try debating topics. It doesn't happen. I will just post like you now.

http://giovanniworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/hypocrite1.jpg

jhns
05-05-2010, 07:45 AM
http://giovanniworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/hypocrite1.jpg

Riiight. I don't think you understand what hypocrite means.

jhns
05-05-2010, 07:50 AM
How so? It's a fact. Josh said it. It's a quote. Anything else would just be spin.

So this is a serious debate you want to have? Really? You are being serious here and this really reflects what you think?

Sorry, I must say. This is a dumb post. My response doesn't change even if you are serious.

bowtown
05-05-2010, 08:04 AM
How is it stupid? If Josh said that trading Cutler would "Never" be in the best interest of this club, and he is the head coach of that club, and depends on that club doing things in it's best interest to win, so he can keep his job (and let's say you are taking him at his word, because that's how you have set up this debate) then wouldn't it make sense that there were extenuating circumstances for him to do something that he previously stated was NOT in the best interest of the club? What could that be? It could be whatever fantasy conspiracy theory you propose, or it just might be likely that Jay Cutler and Bus Cook played a pretty big part in deliberatley punching their own ticket out of town. Remember at the end of the day, it was Bowlen, not McDaniels that traded him.

So I don't really see how it's so stupid that Josh's quote would lead me to believe that Josh wanted Cutler, but Cutler did not want Denver (which he immediately crapped on as soon as he left) or simply wanted more money. It seems a lot more feasable to me than whatever theory you have about McDaniels having some sort of evil plan to tear the team apart and do things that are specifically against what he thinks is in it's best interest on purpose.

jhns
05-05-2010, 08:29 AM
How is it stupid? If Josh said that trading Cutler would "Never" be in the best interest of this club, and he is the head coach of that club, and depends on that club doing things in it's best interest to win, so he can keep his job (and let's say you are taking him at his word, because that's how you have set up this debate) then wouldn't it make sense that there were extenuating circumstances for him to do something that he previously stated was NOT in the best interest of the club? What could that be? It could be whatever fantasy conspiracy theory you propose, or it just might be likely that Jay Cutler and Bus Cook played a pretty big part in deliberatley punching their own ticket out of town. Remember at the end of the day, it was Bowlen, not McDaniels that traded him.

So I don't really see how it's so stupid that Josh's quote would lead me to believe that Josh wanted Cutler, but Cutler did not want Denver (which he immediately crapped on as soon as he left) or simply wanted more money. It seems a lot more feasable to me than whatever theory you have about McDaniels having some sort of evil plan to tear the team apart and do things that are specifically against what he thinks is in it's best interest on purpose.

I don't think he had an evil plan. I think him and Bowlen got upset and acted dumb. Cutler acted dumb as well. The difference, which McDaniels clearly agrees with, is that Cutler handling something wrong did nothing to hurt this team. The other difference is that Cutler was a spoiled 25 year old acting immature. I can respect that more than the people that are in charge also acting immature. They are supposed to be the adults.

There were two ways to handle that situation that would have been far better. The one way that would have been the smartest is to handle the situation from the beginning. When Cutler got upset about trade talks, or really at any time during the situation, the team simply should have said "You either come here and play for us, while acting like you want to be here, or you retire. It is that simple Mr. Culter." The second part that was dumb about trading him when they did is that he was said to have already been sending his stuff to Denver and was going to move on. The only thing he skipped was a workout camp. There was a real camp before the draft. At worst, they should have waited to see if he showed up with a good attitude before the draft. If not, at least they tried some. It just doesn't look good when you crap yourself because a player doesn't answer the phone. It isn't like he avoided our front office. Players, his agent, his friends, and everyone else reported it was hard to get ahold of him. It seems to me that he just wanted some alone time. It was nothing personal against Bowlen. They just couldn't let the situation cool down.

Anyways, this even goes with your twisted view of how everything happened.

jhns
05-05-2010, 08:34 AM
. It's really too bad Cutler didn't feel the same. At least this little quote of yours puts to bed any notions to the contrary that the ultimate outcome of that cluster**** should rest solely on Jay Cutler's shoulders..

Also, this is the part I was calling dumb. This is the only part of that post I quoted when I laughed. You then responded to that laugh with the "Josh said it so its a fact" post. I never once mentioned anything about Josh wanting Cutler being stupid. I think you got lost at some point here.

OABB
05-05-2010, 08:40 AM
Jhiz, you aren't even half as smart as you think you are. It's kind of sad. You remind of me of lex so much. When you are wrong you blank out and than try to act like your idiocy is intelligent. It's sooooo annoying. Don't muddy waters to make them appear deep. Especially in a forum.

jhns
05-05-2010, 08:51 AM
Jhiz, you aren't even half as smart as you think you are. It's kind of sad. You remind of me of lex so much. When you are wrong you blank out and than try to act like your idiocy is intelligent. It's sooooo annoying. Don't muddy waters to make them appear deep. Especially in a forum.

Yes, maybe I should post more intelligent stuff like this post.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-05-2010, 09:06 AM
Please, just put jhns on your ignore list and move the eff on. The guy adds zero to the conversation, and if we all ignore him, he can just talk to himself about how great Cutler is.

jhns
05-05-2010, 09:22 AM
Please, just put jhns on your ignore list and move the eff on. The guy adds zero to the conversation, and if we all ignore him, he can just talk to himself about how great Cutler is.

You know this is like the 15th time this has been said here. It doesn't seem to work. Maybe you will get that point someday.

Anyways, it is funny coming from you. You have had me on ignore like 20 times and then were responding to me in no time. You can't even take your own advice.

Broncos_OTM
05-05-2010, 09:35 AM
Well i have not ben around to post since the draft., so i am going to chime in.

I liked the pick of Bay Bay. It's about where he was projected to go. I am glad MCD got good value in all his trade downs. i like how he worked the board.

I thought Tebow was a pretty silly pick over dan williams. I love everything about Tebow but i dont think he will be a great prol. although with his dedication it wouldnt surprise me to see him succed. He has a long road ahead of him. Look forward to seeing him play in PS.

Loved the Decker pick though he at one point was a first rounder. i think he is going to be a great possession reciever and a good number 2


Beedles and Walton.. I was a bit dissapointed with Beedles. I like da couple of differant Gaurds other than him. .. I thought the walton pick was a steal. I think he has the chance to be as good as pouncey and to only spend a third onhim.. sweet

Hated the cox pick although i hope between him and Alphonso we find a gamer out of one of them.

Thompson hopefully can compete for a spot returning kicks.

Does anyone else think this could mean we onlyu go 4 safties this year?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-05-2010, 11:18 AM
I liked the Bay Bay pick as well. Was worried we were looking at Dez, and I did not want that guy here.

Hated the Tebow pick at first, but I'm coming around quickly. When I read that a half hour into his meeting with McDaniels, he was already using all the Broncos' verbiage, I started to really change my mind. And seeing the work he's put in since Senior Bowl, and seeing the work he's continuing to put in, I see no reason with his athleticism why he "can't" be a very solid pro prospect. I'm getting excited. I wish we hadn't given up so much for him, but what's done is done.