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FADERPROOF
04-28-2010, 03:59 PM
Just started getting back into working out and I'm not a big gym guy, so I'm curious what I could do at the house to get in shape and get ripped as well.

Anyone have any suggestions on which at home workout is better, the p90X workout or the Randy Couture Tower200?

Looking to buy one of these within the next few weeks, NEED HELP!!!!

Doggcow
04-28-2010, 04:00 PM
I heard tower200 was a mad jip, you could do all the workouts with resistance bands easily.

yerner
04-28-2010, 04:03 PM
You won't be upset about the money you spend on p90x. You really can use it for life.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 04:03 PM
Don't do PX90 if you are out of shape. You'll start it and after a few mornings of waking up thinking FML what did I do, you will quit.

orinjkrush
04-28-2010, 04:08 PM
i'm almost 60. i've been doing p90x for over a year now.
it took some persistence to initially get into it.
i dropped 20 lbs and didn't lose any muscle, in fact i put it on.
my wife says i became more evenly proportioned.
i have 20 something girls stare at me in the gym.
i hope its not staring at my nose or ear hair.

loborugger
04-28-2010, 04:10 PM
I have never dont P90X, but I have known a handful of dudes who have. Not one has said anything bad about it or not failed to get solid results.

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 04:15 PM
Why not start running, hiking if possible in Ohio, swimming at local pool until you decide? Depending on how out of shape you are it will take a long time to get fairly ripped. A lot of these programs false advertise the speed at how ripped you will get over a couple weeks. Both of those programs will work if you follow them and eat right.

FADERPROOF
04-28-2010, 05:15 PM
Why not start running, hiking if possible in Ohio, swimming at local pool until you decide? Depending on how out of shape you are it will take a long time to get fairly ripped. A lot of these programs false advertise the speed at how ripped you will get over a couple weeks. Both of those programs will work if you follow them and eat right.

Thats my plan, to do home workouts such as push-ups, sit-ups, throwdowns etc. at the house along with 20-30 mins of cardio jog for the next few weeks while I get my body into shape for the p90x or tower200 exercise.

I'm not horribly bad off, 5"9 175 pounds...my problem is I used to be a drinker and have a lot of excess in the belly, have recently stopped drinking and trying to turn my health around.

p90X sounds like a winner, the Tower200 looks good but a red flag was put up when I went to their website...currently offering it for 14.95 with free s/h and then when I tried exiting the site a pop-up came up with an offer to throw in a pull up bar along with all accessories that the power200 comes with for the same price. Not saying its bogus but something thats trying to sell its product that bad must have a catch.

Rabb
04-28-2010, 05:18 PM
do p90x, all of the Beach Body workouts are actually really well done...it will get results no question

Doggcow
04-28-2010, 05:21 PM
Thats my plan, to do home workouts such as push-ups, sit-ups, throwdowns etc. at the house along with 20-30 mins of cardio jog for the next few weeks while I get my body into shape for the p90x or tower200 exercise.

I'm not horribly bad off, 5"9 175 pounds...my problem is I used to be a drinker and have a lot of excess in the belly, have recently stopped drinking and trying to turn my health around.

p90X sounds like a winner, the Tower200 looks good but a red flag was put up when I went to their website...currently offering it for 14.95 with free s/h and then when I tried exiting the site a pop-up came up with an offer to throw in a pull up bar along with all accessories that the power200 comes with for the same price. Not saying its bogus but something thats trying to sell its product that bad must have a catch.

I'm in the same boat, a little more weight on me, (5'8'' 175). I dont trust the tower 200 thing, and have been looking at P90x, and it seems like it has built in things for men and women (they have multiple elastics etc. and my gf and I are both looking to start getting back into shape over the summer)

I think the cost of dropping some change on it is more than enough motivation to help me get started.

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 05:32 PM
Thats my plan, to do home workouts such as push-ups, sit-ups, throwdowns etc. at the house along with 20-30 mins of cardio jog for the next few weeks while I get my body into shape for the p90x or tower200 exercise.

I'm not horribly bad off, 5"9 175 pounds...my problem is I used to be a drinker and have a lot of excess in the belly, have recently stopped drinking and trying to turn my health around.

p90X sounds like a winner, the Tower200 looks good but a red flag was put up when I went to their website...currently offering it for 14.95 with free s/h and then when I tried exiting the site a pop-up came up with an offer to throw in a pull up bar along with all accessories that the power200 comes with for the same price. Not saying its bogus but something thats trying to sell its product that bad must have a catch.

If you quit drinking wait til you see the pounds fly off. Not sure how much you drank a night but I'll bet you were in the 1000-2000 extra calories a day. You take that out of you over a year and your going to lose 10 pounds or so without working out. Once you work out too your going to see it fairly quick.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-28-2010, 05:32 PM
Just working out isn't going to get you ripped.

You wanna get ripped, control your diet.

FADERPROOF
04-28-2010, 05:36 PM
If you quit drinking wait til you see the pounds fly off. Not sure how much you drank a night but I'll bet you were in the 1000-2000 extra calories a day. You take that out of you over a year and your going to lose 10 pounds or so without working out. Once you work out too your going to see it fairly quick.

20-22 I drank about nightly, getting hammered a bars.

23-27 drank on weekends, but would pound a good 12 beers each night, add an occasional drinking night on the weekdays as well.

It was bad, lost a lot of time, friends, and relationships over it, now as a single dad its time to clean up my act and not only stop drinking but eat healthier and workout on a consistent basis.

Rabb
04-28-2010, 05:36 PM
Just working out isn't going to get you ripped.

You wanna get ripped, control your diet.

And next up, Travis Henry to give us all advice on birth control

FADERPROOF
04-28-2010, 05:36 PM
Just working out isn't going to get you ripped.

You wanna get ripped, control your diet.

My diet this week has consisted of a banana in the morning, salad at lunch...thats been it.

misturanderson
04-28-2010, 05:44 PM
I'm on about day 34 of P90X. It is rough and I don't know if I would have had the motivation to stick with it if I wasn't doing it with some friends, but I'm definitely starting to see results. I have been trying to eat a little better, but you're going to lose fat if you do it no matter what. Basically every day is a pretty hard core cardio workout, even on the strength training days.

That being said, you could probably get similar results using any workout program where you are going at a high intensity for 1-1 1/2 hours 6 days a week for 90 days and changing up the workouts once a month. P90X just helps motivate you and give you a routine to follow.

theAPAOps5
04-28-2010, 05:47 PM
Just working out isn't going to get you ripped.

You wanna get ripped, control your diet.

Do as he says not as he does!

Just kidding Bob

Rabb
04-28-2010, 05:48 PM
My diet this week has consisted of a banana in the morning, salad at lunch...thats been it.

man you will have to change that, seriously

your body needs a certain ratio of protein and carbs and calories, and the P90x diet basically has you eat 5 times a day (3 meals and 2 snacks)

I am on day 51 of Power 90 which is like p90x's little sister (I am building up to p90x) and I can tell you the absolute key is the diet...without question

I have lost 22 lbs in 51 days so far, which is amazing in itself...p90x will be way more intense and your body will need the fuel every day to recover properly

Chris
04-28-2010, 05:51 PM
Nothing will ever beat the gym if you're motivated. I recommend getting yourself into good cardio shape first.

FADERPROOF
04-28-2010, 05:54 PM
man you will have to change that, seriously

your body needs a certain ratio of protein and carbs and calories, and the P90x diet basically has you eat 5 times a day (3 meals and 2 snacks)

I am on day 51 of Power 90 which is like p90x's little sister (I am building up to p90x) and I can tell you the absolute key is the diet...without question

I have lost 22 lbs in 51 days so far, which is amazing in itself...p90x will be way more intense and your body will need the fuel every day to recover properly

I would like to get on a good diet, just not sure where to start.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-28-2010, 06:05 PM
I would like to get on a good diet, just not sure where to start.

Ignore anyone who spouts macronutrient bull****.

You can go low carb if you want to accelerate weight loss but most people are going to have trouble maintaining that over the long term.

Google basal metabolic rate, find out how much you should be eating, and stay under that caloric intake each day. You'll lose weight.

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:06 PM
Depending on how out of shape you are it will take a long time to get fairly ripped. A lot of these programs false advertise the speed at how ripped you will get over a couple weeks.

I 100% disagree with you. In a 12 week program, you will get ripped. Most likely you wont go from average joe to world class bodybuilder, but realistically you can lose 30 lbs (2.5 lbs per weeek.) I have seen a girl go from average, flabby gal to fitness bodybuilder (in a show) in 14 weeks with my own eyes, so I know it can happen.:strong:

The part that people dont understand is that only 15% of you getting results is from the workout.... 85% is from your diet. P90x has a diet plan for you, so is perfect in that regard. The only reason why you will not see dramactic results in 12 weeks, is cause you a. are not working hard enough, or b. Are not eating right.

Another good source of information is www.bodybuilding.com. They have a transformation section that has tons and tons of articles on training and nutrition. They even have their own 12 week program with a video trainer that is free. I train a buddy at work who has been doing this routine for 5 weeks and is down already 14 lbs of body weight (18 lbs of fat and gained 4 lbs of muscle.)

PM if you want with any questions. I train people on the side and I know a thing or two about training and nutrition.

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:13 PM
I would like to get on a good diet, just not sure where to start.

The best "diet" IMO is the south beach diet http://www.southbeachdiet.com/sbd/publicsite/index.aspx
.
A diet to me is merely learning how and what to eat, not doing something crazy like cutting carbs or any of that stuff...which is why I like the south beach diet, cause it is more of the right way to eat, then a real diet. Personally I eat about 3000 cals a day to maintain my 185 lbs and 8% BF. I dont do some crazy thing, I just get my calories from lots of protein sources and eat vegeatbles and what not.

GoBroncos84
04-28-2010, 06:13 PM
I've been considering P90X as well, it looks great. My issue is that I actually want to gain weight, not lose. I eat a lot, but stay around the same. High metabolism. I'm between 6'2" -6'3" and weigh around 160 lbs. Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:21 PM
I can tell you the absolute key is the diet...without question


EXACTLY :thanku:

For starters your diet needs to have you eating about every 3 hours...think of it more as graving.

You should be getting almost 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight you have.

You should be drinking a gallon of water a day, and your piss should be clear.

Take a multivitamin.

Post workout nutrition is very important. You should be having some form of a protein shake no longer than an hour after.

If you have to drink, allow yourself 1 "cheat day" a week and only do it on that day. (My cheat day I actually over eat and try to consume about 10,000 cals.) Having a cheat day will reduce cravings over the week...many people gradually decrease from a full cheat day to just a cheat meal per week.

yerner
04-28-2010, 06:22 PM
I've been considering P90X as well, it looks great. My issue is that I actually want to gain weight, not lose. I eat a lot, but stay around the same. High metabolism. I'm between 6'2" -6'3" and weigh around 160 lbs. Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

You'll get in better shape. But it certainly allows you to gain muscle. You just would want to do less reps with more weight. It's all explained. It really is a good workout routine and something you'll never throw away. Although putting on mass would be easier with more regular weightlifting, P90x can help too.


Bodybuilding.com is a great site to read about everything.

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:26 PM
I've been considering P90X as well, it looks great. My issue is that I actually want to gain weight, not lose. I eat a lot, but stay around the same. High metabolism. I'm between 6'2" -6'3" and weigh around 160 lbs. Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

I am 6'2", 185 lbs, 8 BF% and the important part of P90x for you will be the nutrition and getting enough cals. Off the top of my head, Im thinking you will need to be eating about 3000-4000 cals a day to put on weight. The actual workout only breaks down muscle tissue, which is the same whether you are skinny or fat.

When I need to get cals cause I am getting too skinny...with every meal I have, I will add a spoonful of regular peanut butter.

orinjkrush
04-28-2010, 06:27 PM
I've been considering P90X as well, it looks great. My issue is that I actually want to gain weight, not lose. I eat a lot, but stay around the same. High metabolism. I'm between 6'2" -6'3" and weigh around 160 lbs. Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

i'm 6'2" and went from 220 to 200 on p90x. I don't know my body fat index but i know it went up. biceps, chest, calves and quads went up. waist went down.

oh, and i work out so i CAN drink beer.

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:31 PM
I've been considering P90X as well, it looks great. My issue is that I actually want to gain weight, not lose. I eat a lot, but stay around the same. High metabolism. I'm between 6'2" -6'3" and weigh around 160 lbs. Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

My everyday workout now is a form of P90x and I do use it to put on weight. I used it also when I was training for the WR for most pullups in a minute...which I never got. The most I ever did was 44 in a minute, and the record is 46. About 5 years, before I did P90x for the first time, I could do 14 total.

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 06:33 PM
I 100% disagree with you. In a 12 week program, you will get ripped. Most likely you wont go from average joe to world class bodybuilder, but realistically you can lose 30 lbs (2.5 lbs per weeek.) I have seen a girl go from average, flabby gal to fitness bodybuilder (in a show) in 14 weeks with my own eyes, so I know it can happen.:strong:

You are pulling a rare example. The gal you are talking probably has awesome genetics and wasn't that far out of shape. If you were in great shape before you let yourself go it will be easier too. Muscle memory is amazing. Most people will be able to lose pounds intially then will plateau out and gain weight once their diet fails them that they were on. Balance diet is the key to my opinion and counting your calories you intake vs what you burn off.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 06:40 PM
I heard nothing but bad things about that tower200. You can buy it at shopko or target. It was 179 bucks there. I'm not sure how much it will end up running you at the website. As for the P90x thing try and find it on craigslist. You will save lots of money on people quitting it.

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:44 PM
You are pulling a rare example. The gal you are talking probably has awesome genetics and wasn't that far out of shape. If you were in great shape before you let yourself go it will be easier too. Muscle memory is amazing. Most people will be able to lose pounds intially then will plateau out and gain weight once their diet fails them that they were on. Balance diet is the key to my opinion and counting your calories you intake vs what you burn off.

Sorry, I went back to look at her pics and it was over 20 weeks. Here are some pics... You can be the judge.

<a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/?action=view&current=Starting.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/Starting.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/?action=view&current=10weeks.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/10weeks.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/?action=view&current=20weeks.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/20weeks.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 06:45 PM
Sorry, I went back to look at her pics and it was over 20 weeks. Here are some pics... You can be the judge.

<a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/?action=view&current=Starting.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/Starting.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/?action=view&current=10weeks.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/10weeks.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/?action=view&current=20weeks.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/rsladeasu/20weeks.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

She should have stopped at the second picture.

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:47 PM
She should have stopped at the second picture.

I agree and that was after 10 weeks.

Dukes
04-28-2010, 06:48 PM
Just got P90X in the mail from my father in law. Starting it monday morning at 5am. I've talked pretty much all my life about really getting into shape. Wasn't in great shape through high school even though I played sports, wasn't really in great shape through 5 years in the Marines. I'm done being out of shape.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-28-2010, 06:49 PM
She should have stopped at the second picture.

She's just flexing and ****.

You'd bang her, shut up.

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-28-2010, 06:50 PM
I've done P90x and it kicked my ass.

There. That's my review.

Slade
04-28-2010, 06:51 PM
Just got P90X in the mail from my father in law. Starting it monday morning at 5am. I've talked pretty much all my life about really getting into shape. Wasn't in great shape through high school even though I played sports, wasn't really in great shape through 5 years in the Marines. I'm done being out of shape.

Kudos:)

Be forewarned that it is gonna be tough and you need to stick with it. A lot of people think that when you workout you will only be sore for the 1st 2 to 3 weeks, but with P90x, you will be sore for 12 weeks straight! It is oh so worth it though! They have lots of online forums that allow you to chat with people currently doing the workout, which helps a lot with the motivation.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-28-2010, 06:52 PM
Personally I eat about 3000 cals a day to maintain my 185 lbs and 8% BF.

Most people can't do that.

3,000 calories is the basal metabolic rate for someone who goes about 260 pounds.

You must be INCREDIBLY active.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 06:53 PM
I agree and that was after 10 weeks.

I'm trying to get into better shape before I start doing P90x again. I've been walking a lot, stopped drinking energy drinks even though I drank the sugar free kind, and trying to little things more often during the day. The hardest thing for me to do is eat. I've always ate a big meal then not really eat much more the rest of the day. Right now I'm 6-0 185 pounds. I want to drop to 170 before I start the program again.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 06:55 PM
She's just flexing and ****.

You'd bang her, shut up.

Her back and shoulder muscles are much bigger which is something that I don't really find all that attractive on a girl. She is very pretty though, she just went to far with p90x.

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 07:00 PM
I agree and that was after 10 weeks.

Impressive but you have to admit she is blessed with good genetics.

Slade
04-28-2010, 07:02 PM
I'm trying to get into better shape before I start doing P90x again. I've been walking a lot, stopped drinking energy drinks even though I drank the sugar free kind, and trying to little things more often during the day. The hardest thing for me to do is eat. I've always ate a big meal then not really eat much more the rest of the day. Right now I'm 6-0 185 pounds. I want to drop to 170 before I start the program again.

For me, the eating during the day is super hard too. I have the timer on my phone set to go off at 9:30 and 2:30 so I can have a bar for a snack or else I forget. The kind I have is http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/antiagingessentials/21proteinbars.html.

Doing some cardio is a good thing for a month or so to get back in to working out. For a semi-low impact exercise that wont burn muscle, I walk for 30 mins at a level 12 incline on the treadmill. I still drink sugar-free red bull in the mornings too, but I get up at 4:30 for work and need something...if you do it make sure it is sugar free though.

Sounds like you have a good idea of what to do and if you have any questions just ask.

Slade
04-28-2010, 07:06 PM
Impressive but you have to admit she is blessed with good genetics.

I dont know about her genetics, but I was at the gym when she was working out...and she had a trainer that would push her to the max every set of every exercise. I know she also ate 100% correct for all 20 weeks...never messed up once.

This just shows you what is possible. Most people dont have the mental fortitude to do everything 100% correct for that long though.

Slade
04-28-2010, 07:08 PM
Her back and shoulder muscles are much bigger which is something that I don't really find all that attractive on a girl. She is very pretty though, she just went to far with p90x.

After 12 weeks, her trainer gave her information on a fitness contest, which became the new goal. I dont know of too many people who find that attractive, but for competition, that is what they want to see.

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 07:15 PM
Most people can't do that.

3,000 calories is the basal metabolic rate for someone who goes about 260 pounds.

You must be INCREDIBLY active.

3000 calories is about standard for a male. An hour of running, biking or another type of high intensity cardio will burn 700-900 calories.

EXACTLY :thanku:

For starters your diet needs to have you eating about every 3 hours...think of it more as graving.

You should be getting almost 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight you have.

You should be drinking a gallon of water a day, and your piss should be clear.

Take a multivitamin.

Post workout nutrition is very important. You should be having some form of a protein shake no longer than an hour after.

If you have to drink, allow yourself 1 "cheat day" a week and only do it on that day. (My cheat day I actually over eat and try to consume about 10,000 cals.) Having a cheat day will reduce cravings over the week...many people gradually decrease from a full cheat day to just a cheat meal per week.

I pretty much follow what you say exactly up there. I change my diet for what I am doing for the day though. I do triathalons so when I am training hard I eat a lot since a 4 hour bike ride burns 3500-4000 calories. Where do you test your body fat? I haven't done it in awhile and when I was younger I was about your stats 180 and 8 percent. I would guess now I am 10 percent and 195-200 lbs depending on the training I am doing.

Dukes
04-28-2010, 07:16 PM
Kudos:)

Be forewarned that it is gonna be tough and you need to stick with it. A lot of people think that when you workout you will only be sore for the 1st 2 to 3 weeks, but with P90x, you will be sore for 12 weeks straight! It is oh so worth it though! They have lots of online forums that allow you to chat with people currently doing the workout, which helps a lot with the motivation.

Being sore isn't what worries me. What worries me is just waking up at 5am every day. With my schedule, that's the only time I have to really work out. We'll see.

Slade
04-28-2010, 07:19 PM
3000 calories is about standard for a male. An hour of running, biking or another type of high intensity cardio will burn 700-900 calories.



I pretty much follow what you say exactly up there. I change my diet for what I am doing for the day though. I do triathalons so when I am training hard I eat a lot since a 4 hour bike ride burns 3500-4000 calories. Where do you test your body fat? I haven't done it in awhile and when I was younger I was about your stats 180 and 8 percent. I would guess now I am 10 percent and 195-200 lbs depending on the training I am doing.

For BF%, most all gyms will be able to test you with either calipers or a hand held unit. I have a hand held myself http://www.amazon.com/Omron-HBF-306CN-Loss-Monitor-Black/dp/B000FYZMYK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1272507431&sr=8-1 There are also scales that measure your BF.

Slade
04-28-2010, 07:21 PM
Being sore isn't what worries me. What worries me is just waking up at 5am every day. With my schedule, that's the only time I have to really work out. We'll see.

Waking up early does suck...I wake up at 4:30, but you get used to it. If you need a pick me up, sugar free red bull or black coffee does the trick and wont mess up your diet.

El Guapo
04-28-2010, 07:23 PM
Id say a better comparison would be p90x v. "insanity."

I've seen the infomercials for the insanity recently and I've been on the verge of getting p90x for a couple months now... hmm.

Slade
04-28-2010, 07:27 PM
Id say a better comparison would be p90x v. "insanity."

I've seen the infomercials for the insanity recently and I've been on the verge of getting p90x for a couple months now... hmm.

Starting in June, I am going to try Insanity. I am doing it cause I want to see how cut I can get. From what I can tell, Insanity is for just for getting cut. It doesn't have any real strength stuff in it minus aerobic like stuff. P90x will def get you stronger as well as ripped.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-28-2010, 07:50 PM
3000 calories is about standard for a male. An hour of running, biking or another type of high intensity cardio will burn 700-900 calories.


Most people don't spend an hour a day doing high intensity cardio, though.

Jesterhole
04-28-2010, 08:09 PM
tldr -> lift weight and build muscle to look the best the longest and quickest

I have a bowflex, have had it for 7 years now, and it has kept me in whatever kind of shape I wanted to be in. I got really lean and ripped in my mid 20s, and have been in moderately good shape ever since.

I don't want to take anything away from people who have had success with whatever, but the best way to lose fat and look good is to lift weight. It is the quickest and most efficient way to build muscle, and muscle is the cure for everything that sucks about the way you look.

Muscle burns calories all day, just by existing. Each 5 pounds of lean muscle you add burns around 150 calories per day. Burn more calories than you take in, and you're losing weight. Nothing else works better short or long term, and when you've built enough to where you are happy with how you look, you can scale back and maintain by working out only 1-2 per week.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 08:25 PM
For me, the eating during the day is super hard too. I have the timer on my phone set to go off at 9:30 and 2:30 so I can have a bar for a snack or else I forget. The kind I have is http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/antiagingessentials/21proteinbars.html.

Doing some cardio is a good thing for a month or so to get back in to working out. For a semi-low impact exercise that wont burn muscle, I walk for 30 mins at a level 12 incline on the treadmill. I still drink sugar-free red bull in the mornings too, but I get up at 4:30 for work and need something...if you do it make sure it is sugar free though.

Sounds like you have a good idea of what to do and if you have any questions just ask.

Thanks man will do.

Chris
04-28-2010, 08:34 PM
The problem with all these video programs is it's very hard to learn great form that way. I recommend you record yourself and compare later.

Taco John
04-28-2010, 08:41 PM
I'm almost 30 days into P90X and I definitely recommend it. It's a great program and I've put a good foundation of muscle on. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the next 30 days brings me.

Taco John
04-28-2010, 08:46 PM
My advice with P90X... Don't just jump into the program. Spend the first month sampling. Do two workouts the first week. Two or three workouts the second week. Three or four workouts the third week. And then spend the fourth week getting focused and psyching yourself up to hit the program every day (no workouts that week). Then when you hit the program, you'll be better prepared for its rigors. Also, for the first month, do what you can until you are spent. If you're spent and the workout isn't done, that's ok. You've done something and something is better than nothing. The idea isn't that you're just going to be doing it for 90 days. The idea is that you're going to change your lifestyle from one where you don't work out to one where you do. There's no reason to kill yourself. Just keep pushing play and you'll eventually get there - it's enevitable. I know when my 90 days are up, I'm probably going to have another "sampling" month and hit the entire program again.

Rabb
04-28-2010, 08:47 PM
Being sore isn't what worries me. What worries me is just waking up at 5am every day. With my schedule, that's the only time I have to really work out. We'll see.

I am totally with you on this, and it was the hardest thing to do for me aside from drastically changing my diet

I have to work out around 4:30 in the morning before work or it just won't happen

I dread it sometimes but I always start my day off feeling awesome

Rabb
04-28-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm trying to get into better shape before I start doing P90x again. I've been walking a lot, stopped drinking energy drinks even though I drank the sugar free kind, and trying to little things more often during the day. The hardest thing for me to do is eat. I've always ate a big meal then not really eat much more the rest of the day. Right now I'm 6-0 185 pounds. I want to drop to 170 before I start the program again.

I think one of the biggest changes I made was I completely cut out sugar drinks and soda, as well as caffeine

it was rough at first, but I am glad I did it...I drink a **** ton of water

Taco John
04-28-2010, 08:50 PM
I've been considering P90X as well, it looks great. My issue is that I actually want to gain weight, not lose. I eat a lot, but stay around the same. High metabolism. I'm between 6'2" -6'3" and weigh around 160 lbs. Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

I've actually gained weight. I've lost some fat (still have plenty to lose), but my weight has gone up so far, not down. I've got a good foundation of solid muscle that I didn't have prior to starting the workout to show for it. I'm definitely excited about seeing what gets build on this foundation in the next 30 days.

Taco John
04-28-2010, 08:51 PM
(my cheat day i actually over eat and try to consume about 10,000 cals.)


holy effing cow!

yerner
04-28-2010, 08:52 PM
My advice with P90X... Don't just jump into the program. Spend the first month sampling. Do two workouts the first week. Two or three workouts the second week. Three or four workouts the third week. And then spend the fourth week getting focused and psyching yourself up to hit the program every day (no workouts that week). Then when you hit the program, you'll be better prepared for its rigors. Also, for the first month, do what you can until you are spent. If you're spent and the workout isn't done, that's ok. You've done something and something is better than nothing. The idea isn't that you're just going to be doing it for 90 days. The idea is that you're going to change your lifestyle from one where you don't work out to one where you do. There's no reason to kill yourself. Just keep pushing play and you'll eventually get there - it's enevitable. I know when my 90 days are up, I'm probably going to have another "sampling" month and hit the entire program again.

This is perfect advice.

Taco John
04-28-2010, 08:58 PM
Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

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yerner
04-28-2010, 09:00 PM
Id say a better comparison would be p90x v. "insanity."

I've seen the infomercials for the insanity recently and I've been on the verge of getting p90x for a couple months now... hmm.

I've tried it Insanity. It's really intensive in your home cardio. There is some strength moves to it. I've never really taken to doing the whole program but I don't regret the purchase as it's relatively affordable and I know that if I really get motivated I could get really fit.

It's a little repetitive to do day after day . And its really ****ing hard. I've been trying to mix it in with p90x as its more intensive cardio. But I've been off for awhile and need to work back up to it. Overall I like owning it. Its something I can have forever and know what being really fit cardiovascularly would take , but I like the P90x strength training better. If that makes any sense.

GoBroncos84
04-28-2010, 09:16 PM
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Nice. I'll have to check this out. Thank you

chawknz
04-28-2010, 10:47 PM
P90X is some serious asskicking stuff. If you're out of shape, start with Power90 first. It's great as well. Love the system and the workouts. But yah, they are mad intense.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 10:54 PM
I think one of the biggest changes I made was I completely cut out sugar drinks and soda, as well as caffeine

it was rough at first, but I am glad I did it...I drink a **** ton of water

The only thing I drink now with caffeine is green tea. Stopping the energy drinks was hard. I would have two or three monster/no fear a day. I don't even want to know what that stuff was doing to my insides.

Doggcow
04-28-2010, 10:54 PM
My gf and I were thinking about starting P90X but she has trouble doing pushups (as they hurt her back). Is there a way to supplement anything for push-ups?

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 11:00 PM
My gf and I were thinking about starting P90X but she has trouble doing pushups (as they hurt her back). Is there a way to supplement anything for push-ups?

Probably a sign of weak core if her back is hurting. What about girl push ups on knees instead of tip toes?

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 11:08 PM
Most people don't spend an hour a day doing high intensity cardio, though.

Then they don't want to get in shape bad enough. An hour isn't that long and you don't even need to do that long if your only taking in 3000. In your case you could get rid of an hour on here and have plenty of time. An hour is also nothing when you live at home with no job.

Doggcow
04-28-2010, 11:08 PM
Probably a sign of weak core if her back is hurting. What about girl push ups on knees instead of tip toes?

Still hurts on her knees. She's always had back problems.

She wont go get it checked out no matter what I say tho :P

azbroncfan
04-28-2010, 11:13 PM
Still hurts on her knees. She's always had back problems.

She wont go get it checked out no matter what I say tho :P

Work those abs and lower back. Weak core is the problem of a lot of back problems.

Doggcow
04-28-2010, 11:15 PM
Work those abs and lower back. Weak core is the problem of a lot of back problems.

Her sister and mother have both had back surgery, so that might not be it at all.

I was wondering if there was anything to supplement, and maybe down the road, if it isn't structural, she'll be able to pickup the pushups, but not now.

Doggcow
04-28-2010, 11:27 PM
Another thing, I need all the resistance bands and pull-up bar I'm assuming?

Should I just snag the stuff off ebay? Seems like I can get almost all for ~130...

Is the vitamin worth anything?

DBroncos4life
04-28-2010, 11:42 PM
I heard that the ab lounge is used for people with bad backs. I don't really think you could use it with P90X though. It's should have less stress on the back but I don't think it works all that well because the machine is doing most of the work for you. Just what I have read about it.

Taco John
04-28-2010, 11:49 PM
My gf and I were thinking about starting P90X but she has trouble doing pushups (as they hurt her back). Is there a way to supplement anything for push-ups?


Doing more pushups. I don't think she's going to be doing a lot of bench pressing. There's nothing that I can think of that would replace the pushup except to start out and do what you can... If that means 4 then it's 4. Eventually, you're body will build the muscle that is needed and it will be able to compensate. The body knows what it needs.

Blart
04-29-2010, 12:55 AM
I enjoy P90x.

You can get it for free on torrent sites.

Slade
04-29-2010, 03:22 AM
My gf and I were thinking about starting P90X but she has trouble doing pushups (as they hurt her back). Is there a way to supplement anything for push-ups?

If she cant do girl pushups, then using a chest press machine is good as you can adjust the weight to something she can do. On the machine you can do most of the variations by adjusting the seat higher or lower and by using the different grips. To this day I still use it for one arm pushups so I can get a lot more.

Peoples Champ
04-29-2010, 06:40 AM
EXACTLY :thanku:

For starters your diet needs to have you eating about every 3 hours...think of it more as graving.

You should be getting almost 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight you have.

You should be drinking a gallon of water a day, and your piss should be clear.

Take a multivitamin.

Post workout nutrition is very important. You should be having some form of a protein shake no longer than an hour after.

If you have to drink, allow yourself 1 "cheat day" a week and only do it on that day. (My cheat day I actually over eat and try to consume about 10,000 cals.) Having a cheat day will reduce cravings over the week...many people gradually decrease from a full cheat day to just a cheat meal per week.


This is the best plan i think,

About the cheat day, I need to work on making it just one day, because mine normally turn into "cheat weekend"

JCsuperstar
04-29-2010, 07:10 AM
I did P90X for a while and loved it. But it started to get boring so I started CrossFit which is so much crazier. I would definately recommend looking into CrossFit if you ever get tired of the P90X routine, its free and a new workout is posted everyday on their website.

zdoor
04-29-2010, 10:27 AM
P90x is a good workout. Its best feature is the support it provides, which motivates a lot of non-lifter types to begin an exercise program. The reality is that any solid lifting program combined with regular cardio and clean diet will produce substantial results in 90 days. Especially on people who are not regularly exercising. I don't think you'll find significantly different results from one program to another if the foundation of the program is solid. I'd go for the one that appeals to you most. But, any good program should include cardio, resistance training and diet to be effective.

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-29-2010, 10:52 AM
Oh, and F Yoga.

Taco John
04-29-2010, 11:02 AM
Oh, and F Yoga.

That's actually my favorite part of the workout. I feel so great after P90X yoga.

dbfan4life
04-29-2010, 11:39 AM
I started P90X. You really have to be commited to it and I just simply son't have 1.5 hours everyday to do it. Full-time student, full-time job, full-time husband and parent. I think during the summer I'll get back into it. It does kick your butt!

chawknz
04-29-2010, 12:27 PM
Another thing, I need all the resistance bands and pull-up bar I'm assuming?

Should I just snag the stuff off ebay? Seems like I can get almost all for ~130...

Is the vitamin worth anything?

Well, you don't NEED the workout bands and pullup bars, but you're removing some of the core components of P90X. Especially with the pull-up bar, since this program has a LOT of exercises that use one.

I really like the workout bands. They are cheap, easy to carry, and work well. You can do all sorts of things with them, and it sure beats buying an entire dumbbell kit.

Doggcow
04-29-2010, 12:35 PM
Well, you don't NEED the workout bands and pullup bars, but you're removing some of the core components of P90X. Especially with the pull-up bar, since this program has a LOT of exercises that use one.

I really like the workout bands. They are cheap, easy to carry, and work well. You can do all sorts of things with them, and it sure beats buying an entire dumbbell kit.

Was just wondering how important they were.

I'll swing the $50 or so for them too. I just ordered P90X and stuff on ebay for $81...

What about the P90x vitamin/shake thing? Should I just get power bars?

Harvitz81
04-29-2010, 12:44 PM
Most people don't spend an hour a day doing high intensity cardio, though.

I lift 6 days a week for an hour am 6'2" 195 lbs and 8% BF. I need between 3300-3500 calories a day for maintenance. I wouldn't call what I do high intensity cardio. I might spend 10 minutes on an elliptical to warm up and that is it.

The more muscle you have the more you can eat. That is why you have to have some sort of resistance training if you want a long term solution to weight problems.

It is all really easy. Find your maintenance caloric intact. For those of you who want to gain weight - add 500 calories a day to your diet to gain a pound a week. To lose weight - subtract 500 cals a day to lose a pound a week. Lift weights at least 3 days/week and eat 1g protein/lb of your ideal body weight a day.

No cardio is necessary, although it does help (plus it is good for the heart). But strictly on the topic of gaining/losing weight it is all about calories in and out.

My diet is nothing special - I just make sure to get around 200-250g of protein a day. Eat a lot of fruits, vegetables, nuts, and whole grains and stay around 3300 calories total.

ScottXray
04-29-2010, 12:51 PM
I've been considering P90X as well, it looks great. My issue is that I actually want to gain weight, not lose. I eat a lot, but stay around the same. High metabolism. I'm between 6'2" -6'3" and weigh around 160 lbs. Has anyone used this exercise to put on muscle and actually gain weight?

I used to be just like you. 6'1 1/2 at 165 until I hit 40.....Just wait...You'll gain....

My inseam was always larger than my waist, until 45 (34").

Now I'm sixty, 6'1" and 210. Should knock off the soda, but I'm ingrained now. I felt the best at about 185 (ten years ago). Then I quit smoking.

I keep thinking about exercise....but spend too much time here and in front of the tubeROFL!.

Doggcow
04-29-2010, 12:55 PM
The thing that sucks too, is eating healthy costs so damn much.

The country we live in :(

Anyone have some suggestions for meal plans? I'd love some suggestions to help me get started.

I still have a pritty difficult time choking down veggies though, could I substitute V8 or multivitamins?

Harvitz81
04-29-2010, 01:50 PM
The thing that sucks too, is eating healthy costs so damn much.

The country we live in :(

Anyone have some suggestions for meal plans? I'd love some suggestions to help me get started.

I still have a pritty difficult time choking down veggies though, could I substitute V8 or multivitamins?

I've never understood this eating healthy is expensive argument. My GF and I spend about $60-80 a week on food for the two of us. I cook everything and we eat out like once a month if that. Look at it this way...you can go out to McD's and get a meal for what like 6-8 bucks now (no idea as it's been years since I ate there). For that I can cook a steak and have sweet potatoes and an artichoke or salad for sides for the same price. Now tell me, which would you rather have - a gut bomb hamburger or a steak and salad?

Doggcow
04-29-2010, 01:55 PM
I've never understood this eating healthy is expensive argument. My GF and I spend about $60-80 a week on food for the two of us. I cook everything and we eat out like once a month if that. Look at it this way...you can go out to McD's and get a meal for what like 6-8 bucks now (no idea as it's been years since I ate there). For that I can cook a steak and have sweet potatoes and an artichoke or salad for sides for the same price. Now tell me, which would you rather have - a gut bomb hamburger or a steak and salad?

Fresh fruits, and veggies cost way more per meal than frozen and preserved things.

A frozen pizza, feeds both of us for a day: $3.50...

Ive already decided to budget more for my food anyway. It just is more expensive than Raman noodles.

zdoor
04-29-2010, 02:26 PM
Fresh fruits, and veggies cost way more per meal than frozen and preserved things.

A frozen pizza, feeds both of us for a day: $3.50...

Ive already decided to budget more for my food anyway. It just is more expensive than Raman noodles.

Its worth the money. Quality calories do more for your body than just about anything else...

Harvitz81
04-29-2010, 02:33 PM
Fresh fruits, and veggies cost way more per meal than frozen and preserved things.

A frozen pizza, feeds both of us for a day: $3.50...

Ive already decided to budget more for my food anyway. It just is more expensive than Raman noodles.

If the two of you were living on a frozen pizza to feed you the entire day, then yes I guess buying things like fruits and vegetables seems expensive. Most people waste money on things like chips, soda, cookies, etc. and that is why I was arguing that eating healthy really isn't that expensive - I just don't buy that type of stuff.

That is not to say that I eat clean 100% of the time, because if you try to do that you will probably end up reverting to you'll old habits. We always have some sort of desert after dinner be it a bowl of ice cream, or a piece of dark chocolate, etc. Just keep everything in moderation.

Doggcow
04-29-2010, 02:54 PM
If the two of you were living on a frozen pizza to feed you the entire day, then yes I guess buying things like fruits and vegetables seems expensive. Most people waste money on things like chips, soda, cookies, etc. and that is why I was arguing that eating healthy really isn't that expensive - I just don't buy that type of stuff.

That is not to say that I eat clean 100% of the time, because if you try to do that you will probably end up reverting to you'll old habits. We always have some sort of desert after dinner be it a bowl of ice cream, or a piece of dark chocolate, etc. Just keep everything in moderation.

We're in college... Eating Raman 3 times a day is a pretty solid choice money wise for us.

We have been pinching pennies for years, and frozen/preserved foods etc. really cut down on the bill, but not on the sodium/calories/fat :P

Bob's your Information Minister
04-29-2010, 04:01 PM
I lift 6 days a week for an hour am 6'2" 195 lbs and 8% BF. I need between 3300-3500 calories a day for maintenance.

See, this is nuts. Your BMR is around 2000. You are either very active or have a very high metabolism. Do you have an active job?

I'm 200 pounds and I never even come CLOSE to 3,000 calories, except maybe once inawhile. I try to keep it around 2,000. I lift 3x a week and try to do about a half hour of cardio every day, twice a week I'll go an hour.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-29-2010, 04:04 PM
The thing that sucks too, is eating healthy costs so damn much.


This is a myth.

Eggs are cheap. Chicken breasts are cheap. Canned vegetables are cheap. Growing your own, even cheaper.

Junk food is a lot more expensive than regular, healthy food. 6 bucks for a ****ty burger at Wendy's buys 36 large eggs.

azbroncfan
04-29-2010, 04:25 PM
This is a myth.

Eggs are cheap. Chicken breasts are cheap. Canned vegetables are cheap. Growing your own, even cheaper.

Junk food is a lot more expensive than regular, healthy food. 6 bucks for a ****ty burger at Wendy's buys 36 large eggs.

Eating good is more expensive unless you only eat what you listed up there.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-29-2010, 04:34 PM
Eating good is more expensive unless you only eat what you listed up there.

I disagree. It really depends on what you buy. If you go to freaking Whole Foods and buy a bunch of ****, yes, it's going to be more expensive.

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 04:44 PM
I did P90X for a while and loved it. But it started to get boring so I started CrossFit which is so much crazier. I would definately recommend looking into CrossFit if you ever get tired of the P90X routine, its free and a new workout is posted everyday on their website.

Good job with the Cross Fit. It's an entirely different level.

azbroncfan
04-29-2010, 04:47 PM
I disagree. It really depends on what you buy. If you go to freaking Whole Foods and buy a bunch of ****, yes, it's going to be more expensive.

I don't eat garbage fast food if I can avoid it but I usually spend about 10 bucks on average for a good meal for dinner. What did you eat last night and tonight for dinner?

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 04:50 PM
p90x is a very solid workout. I've done a few workouts and researched it. haven't done the program yet, but about to start.

really about any workout that has a variety of HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) between weights and cardio is going to burn fat and build muscle.

I've done many different workouts and plans. You could say I have ADD with it - I call it an appreciation for variation.

I would also look into Alwyn Cosgrove who is leading edge with fat burning workouts. He's played a part in the workout program for the series Spartacas. I believe he may have also been consulted for 300, or at least he is assocated with many of the same peole. He's a genius when it comes to workouts for those who have less time.

A few other things for those who like to mix it up - look into the TRX Suspension trainer. Best peice of equipment I have purchased, hands down.

FADERPROOF
04-29-2010, 05:33 PM
Ok so need help cause Im lazy to look **** up on the internet...

what are acceptable diet foods for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Going to the grocery store tomorrow night so need all examples of what I can get for each to be on a good healthy diet.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-29-2010, 05:39 PM
I don't eat garbage fast food if I can avoid it but I usually spend about 10 bucks on average for a good meal for dinner. What did you eat last night and tonight for dinner?

Last night I had soup that I made myself. Very cheap and I've been eating on it for days, I made a huge pot. Maybe 10 bucks for the entire pot.

Tonight I had takeout singapore noodles...which were $10.95. Eating out is expensive.

orinjkrush
04-29-2010, 05:40 PM
i'm interspersing p90x with insanity. and every night i have a err 2 martinis.

at nearly 60 im more ripped than i have ever been. and i played college ball.

just do it. every day. and stfu.

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 05:45 PM
Ok so need help cause Im lazy to look **** up on the internet...

what are acceptable diet foods for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Going to the grocery store tomorrow night so need all examples of what I can get for each to be on a good healthy diet.

eggs, chicken breasts, salmon, veggies, fruits, lean ground beef, top sirloin steaks, cheese, natural peanut butter, raw almonds...that's a good start.

yerner
04-29-2010, 05:55 PM
i'm interspersing p90x with insanity. and every night i have a err 2 martinis.

at nearly 60 im more ripped than i have ever been. and i played college ball.

just do it. every day. and stfu.

Any suggestions on how your mixing it up? I'm not really at Insanity month 2 level. But I've been trying to get a good blend going.

yerner
04-29-2010, 06:03 PM
p90x is a very solid workout. I've done a few workouts and researched it. haven't done the program yet, but about to start.

really about any workout that has a variety of HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) between weights and cardio is going to burn fat and build muscle.

I've done many different workouts and plans. You could say I have ADD with it - I call it an appreciation for variation.

I would also look into Alwyn Cosgrove who is leading edge with fat burning workouts. He's played a part in the workout program for the series Spartacas. I believe he may have also been consulted for 300, or at least he is assocated with many of the same peole. He's a genius when it comes to workouts for those who have less time.

A few other things for those who like to mix it up - look into the TRX Suspension trainer. Best peice of equipment I have purchased, hands down.

Kind of a stupid question seeing that you said you really liked the TRX, but how is it? How often do you use it? Any more thoughts on it? Looks pretty cool.

chadta
04-29-2010, 06:27 PM
ive watched my wife do the p90x, and the slim in 6, as well as all the different jillian michaels videos, and she looks good doing all of them, she says the jillian one is the hardest tho, take that for what its worth

sixtimeseight
04-29-2010, 06:41 PM
lol @ the number of people in this thread that are like "yea I got P90x, did it for a couple weeks, it totally kicked my ass. Now I'm too busy, but I'll probably get back into it sometime soon." First of all, no you won't. If you want to get in shape, doing some gimmicky crap like P90x isn't going to help. If you can't get your fat ass in to the gym 3 times a week + cardio, you aren't going to get in to shape. Spending $200 on gimmick workouts isn't going to make you any less lazy, sorry.

FADERPROOF
04-29-2010, 06:53 PM
eggs, chicken breasts, salmon, veggies, fruits, lean ground beef, top sirloin steaks, cheese, natural peanut butter, raw almonds...that's a good start.

Thought eggs were not good for you? Shows how much I know...and no fried stuff right? I saw you mentioned chicken breasts so had to ask...

JCsuperstar
04-29-2010, 07:02 PM
A good rule of thumb is to stick to the perimeter of the supermarket as opposed to going down the aisles

HooptyHoops
04-29-2010, 07:07 PM
Thought eggs were not good for you? Shows how much I know...and no fried stuff right? I saw you mentioned chicken breasts so had to ask...

The egg yolks are the bad thing....keep it to only egg whites(good source of protein).

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 07:08 PM
Thought eggs were not good for you? Shows how much I know...and no fried stuff right? I saw you mentioned chicken breasts so had to ask...

Eggs are good. Typically if I am eating eggs, I'll do like 2 full eggs and the rest as egg whites. Just don't over do it with the yolks. They are good for you too, in moderation. I also try to get the Omega 3 eggs (they are certified by the way the chickens are fed). The down side is the are more expensive. So I do a combo (full eggs = omega 3, egg whites = cheap eggs).

A very easy, good recipe for breakfast is 4 oz of lean ground beef - cook it up then add 2 egg whites. once the eggs are done, add in 1 tbs of feta cheese. very tasty.

sixtimeseight
04-29-2010, 07:12 PM
Eggs are great for you. They are close to a perfect food, especially if you are building muscle. Anyone who tells you different is completely full of ****.

theAPAOps5
04-29-2010, 07:12 PM
A good rule of thumb is to stick to the perimeter of the supermarket as opposed to going down the aisles

Yep you can get everything you need to eat healthy by circling the aisles. Veggies, fruit, dairy, meet, and grains, and beer always on the outer circle!

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 07:17 PM
Kind of a stupid question seeing that you said you really liked the TRX, but how is it? How often do you use it? Any more thoughts on it? Looks pretty cool.

I use the TRX almost daily, but at least 3 times a week. I sometimes use only the TRX for my workout or supplement it in for certain excercises.

The thing about it is you really have to engage your core and stabilizer muscles. So at first it's awkward, but over time you start to feel a lot more comfortable with it. The resistance is measured by the angle you take. The deeper the angle, the harder it is. You can then even add more intensity by increasing the balance difficulty - such as lifting a leg during a chest press.

Another really nice advantage is you are not putting a lot of stress on your joints, since it is all body weight. It is incredibly versatile. You can use it for strength programs, metabolic training or even stretching.

I really enjoy doing the TRX and mixing in the kettlebells.

JCsuperstar
04-29-2010, 07:20 PM
Kettle bells are the greatest

Harvitz81
04-29-2010, 07:28 PM
See, this is nuts. Your BMR is around 2000. You are either very active or have a very high metabolism. Do you have an active job?

I'm 200 pounds and I never even come CLOSE to 3,000 calories, except maybe once inawhile. I try to keep it around 2,000. I lift 3x a week and try to do about a half hour of cardio every day, twice a week I'll go an hour.

Yeah Bob, my BMR is 2000 calories if I did nothing but sleep all day in my bed. I don't exactly have an active job as I spend half my day in front of a computer and the other half on my feet standing in a lab or walking back and forth between them. Take that into account and the 700-800 calories I burn working out each day and 3,300 is right about where it takes for me to maintain.

You say you are 200 lbs, but how much BF% are you? The more muscle you have the more you can eat to just maintain that muscle.

Harvitz81
04-29-2010, 07:33 PM
The egg yolks are the bad thing....keep it to only egg whites(good source of protein).

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. The yolks are the best part of the egg for you. They have more protein than the whites and also contain ALL the nutrients.

Don't give me this "but they're high in cholesterol argument" either. Dietary cholesterol doesn't increase your cholesterol levels. I've been eating 2-4 eggs a day for the past two years and every time I get my cholesterol checked it is well within normal.

s0phr0syne
04-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Eggs are good. Typically if I am eating eggs, I'll do like 2 full eggs and the rest as egg whites. Just don't over do it with the yolks. They are good for you too, in moderation. I also try to get the Omega 3 eggs (they are certified by the way the chickens are fed). The down side is the are more expensive. So I do a combo (full eggs = omega 3, egg whites = cheap eggs).

A very easy, good recipe for breakfast is 4 oz of lean ground beef - cook it up then add 2 egg whites. once the eggs are done, add in 1 tbs of feta cheese. very tasty.



Any idea how much extra stuff is added into egg beaters' egg whites? I've found them much more manageable than separating the yolks from real eggs...I always lose too much of the whites when separating manually.

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 07:56 PM
Any idea how much extra stuff is added into egg beaters' egg whites? I've found them much more manageable than separating the yolks from real eggs...I always lose too much of the whites when separating manually.

Good question. I am not totally sure, but I think more sodium. Not sure what else they may have. I've used them before and had good results. I just find eggs to be more tasty. What I like about the beaters is it is so much quicker to get the meal prepared. I hear you on separating the whites....

another solid snack - hard boiled eggs with hummus. It's actually very good.

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 08:01 PM
Kind of a stupid question seeing that you said you really liked the TRX, but how is it? How often do you use it? Any more thoughts on it? Looks pretty cool.

Here is an idea of how you can mix in the TRX with a weight program. Alwyn Cosgrove, who I mentioned earlier came up with most of this.

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/trx-workout-phase-1

(click through, there are 4 phases, i think)

bronco_diesel
04-29-2010, 08:04 PM
Ok so need help cause Im lazy to look **** up on the internet...

what are acceptable diet foods for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Going to the grocery store tomorrow night so need all examples of what I can get for each to be on a good healthy diet.

Fader - PM me if you want. I have a 14 day menu broken with exact measurements for your body weight. It has some great recipes. Some suck, but it it is a great baseline to build from.

Harvitz81
04-29-2010, 08:25 PM
Any idea how much extra stuff is added into egg beaters' egg whites? I've found them much more manageable than separating the yolks from real eggs...I always lose too much of the whites when separating manually.

Just eat the whole ****ing egg! Instead of worrying about a little egg yolk, people should worry about all the ****ing soda, triple mocha latte's, cookies and the likes that they consume.

Not implying you do this, but this whole thing about egg yolks being bad for you is complete hogwash.

Doggcow
04-30-2010, 01:16 AM
Just eat the whole ****ing egg! Instead of worrying about a little egg yolk, people should worry about all the ****ing soda, triple mocha latte's, cookies and the likes that they consume.

Not implying you do this, but this whole thing about egg yolks being bad for you is complete hogwash.

https://www.ezcracker.com/?MID=722592

For separating egg whites?

I saw this on TV the other day and it looks effing fantastic.

MplsBronco
04-30-2010, 07:14 AM
Nothing will ever beat the gym if you're motivated. I recommend getting yourself into good cardio shape first.

Gyms are the biggest waste of money. You can get just as good of results working out at home, particularly with p90x....as long as you are motivated.

yerner
04-30-2010, 08:16 AM
lol @ the number of people in this thread that are like "yea I got P90x, did it for a couple weeks, it totally kicked my ass. Now I'm too busy, but I'll probably get back into it sometime soon." First of all, no you won't. If you want to get in shape, doing some gimmicky crap like P90x isn't going to help. If you can't get your fat ass in to the gym 3 times a week + cardio, you aren't going to get in to shape. Spending $200 on gimmick workouts isn't going to make you any less lazy, sorry.

I hope you get run over by a bus.

Harvitz81
04-30-2010, 08:22 AM
Gyms are the biggest waste of money. You can get just as good of results working out at home, particularly with p90x....as long as you are motivated.

Depends on your goals. If you only want to lean out then yes, p90x is a great workout program.

However, if you actually want to put on muscle mass, you will never get that doing p90x. Sure some people might experience beginners gains in muscle from p90x, but the programs are definitely not geared towards muscle hypertrophy.

I've done p90x for 6 months and got great results in terms of leaning out. Went from 210 to 185 lbs and was probably around 12-14% BF. However, when I decided to gain muscle mass I had to join a gym to lift heavy. For example, after p90x when I first went into the gym I would do sets of 8 on bench press with 185, squats with 185 (p90x's greatest downfall IMO is that you don't get a great leg workout, this is borderline pussy territory), and deadlifts with 225 lbs.

After 1-1.5 years of heavy lifting and proper diet I'm now 195lbs at 8% BF. There is no way I could have put this much muscle on with p90x. I now do sets of 8 on bench with 235, squats at 315, and deads at 355. I'm still significantly far from my goals, but then again my goals are much different and a gym is necessary. If you just want to lean out and lose some weight, then I would agree with you that gyms are a waste of money and a program like p90x will work. If you want to put on muscle mass then gyms are absolutely necessary unless you can afford some serious weight equipment for your home.

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 08:47 AM
I hope you get run over by a bus.

Yeah everyone here would like that. No one likes the guy and his illusional elitist attitude when it comes across like a lying moron. Guy talks no football or basketball only comments like he made in this thread.

Gyms are the biggest waste of money. You can get just as good of results working out at home, particularly with p90x....as long as you are motivated.

20 bucks a month is pretty cheap if you ask me plus going to the gym you have no distractions. P90X and home workouts work though. I swim and run at home neighborhood.

Taco John
04-30-2010, 08:47 AM
Gyms are the biggest waste of money. You can get just as good of results working out at home, particularly with p90x....as long as you are motivated.

Co-sign. I'll never join a gym again now that I've got P90X and Intensity.

Taco John
04-30-2010, 08:53 AM
Depends on your goals. If you only want to lean out then yes, p90x is a great workout program.

However, if you actually want to put on muscle mass, you will never get that doing p90x. Sure some people might experience beginners gains in muscle from p90x, but the programs are definitely not geared towards muscle hypertrophy.

I've done p90x for 6 months and got great results in terms of leaning out. Went from 210 to 185 lbs and was probably around 12-14% BF. However, when I decided to gain muscle mass I had to join a gym to lift heavy. For example, after p90x when I first went into the gym I would do sets of 8 on bench press with 185, squats with 185 (p90x's greatest downfall IMO is that you don't get a great leg workout, this is borderline p***Y territory), and deadlifts with 225 lbs.

After 1-1.5 years of heavy lifting and proper diet I'm now 195lbs at 8% BF. There is no way I could have put this much muscle on with p90x. I now do sets of 8 on bench with 235, squats at 315, and deads at 355. I'm still significantly far from my goals, but then again my goals are much different and a gym is necessary. If you just want to lean out and lose some weight, then I would agree with you that gyms are a waste of money and a program like p90x will work. If you want to put on muscle mass then gyms are absolutely necessary unless you can afford some serious weight equipment for your home.

I think that's a fair criticism. Though, there are a lot of youtube videos that show lean kids putting on a fair amount of muscle mass, I don't think they're putting on the kind of mass that you're talking about. For my part, I don't want to put on a ton of mass. I just want to put on enough to feel good about any activity that I do (I plan to snowboard until I die), and feel confident that I'm not embarassing myself when we head to the beach or pool. But for the most part, I'm looking for function over form. I don't need 25 inch biceps sitting at my keyboard.

orinjkrush
04-30-2010, 09:21 AM
Any suggestions on how your mixing it up? I'm not really at Insanity month 2 level. But I've been trying to get a good blend going.

what i've gravitated towards is replacing plyo, core and kempo with different insanity routines, but keep the p90x upper body stuff. seems to work for me. oh and yoga is the best!

sixtimeseight
04-30-2010, 09:30 AM
I hope you get run over by a bus.

That's cute. Sorry you're a fat waste of space, but hey, keep throwing your money at the problem, that's the easy way to get in shape!!!!!

sixtimeseight
04-30-2010, 09:32 AM
Gyms are the biggest waste of money. You can get just as good of results working out at home, particularly with p90x....as long as you are motivated.

If you're motivated, you'll get in shape no matter what the tools are that you have available. Prisoners in solitary confinement 23 hours a day in an 8 x 10 room can stay in shape. It's the fat idiots like yerner that think that buying the latest fad workouts will magically get them in shape that piss me off.

sixtimeseight
04-30-2010, 09:35 AM
And yes, like Harvitz said, if you want to get in real shape, you need to squat and deadlift a lot of weight. You can only do that at a gym, so no, they aren't a waste of money.

bowtown
04-30-2010, 10:03 AM
Depends on your goals. If you only want to lean out then yes, p90x is a great workout program.

However, if you actually want to put on muscle mass, you will never get that doing p90x. Sure some people might experience beginners gains in muscle from p90x, but the programs are definitely not geared towards muscle hypertrophy.

I've done p90x for 6 months and got great results in terms of leaning out. Went from 210 to 185 lbs and was probably around 12-14% BF. However, when I decided to gain muscle mass I had to join a gym to lift heavy. For example, after p90x when I first went into the gym I would do sets of 8 on bench press with 185, squats with 185 (p90x's greatest downfall IMO is that you don't get a great leg workout, this is borderline p***Y territory), and deadlifts with 225 lbs.

After 1-1.5 years of heavy lifting and proper diet I'm now 195lbs at 8% BF. There is no way I could have put this much muscle on with p90x. I now do sets of 8 on bench with 235, squats at 315, and deads at 355. I'm still significantly far from my goals, but then again my goals are much different and a gym is necessary. If you just want to lean out and lose some weight, then I would agree with you that gyms are a waste of money and a program like p90x will work. If you want to put on muscle mass then gyms are absolutely necessary unless you can afford some serious weight equipment for your home.

This is my concern a little. I do a decent amount of gym work. I'm not by any means huge, but I have some decent muscle mass for my size and frame. I also carry a little extra weight though, and would like to slim down a bit, which is why i'm interested in the p90x. My biggest concern though is that I would need to replace my current gym schedule with it, cause I don't have time to do both. Will I be able to maintain most of what I have built up over the past few years from lifting on p90x? I'm not looking to build any more just slim down but still keep what I already have.

Harvitz81
04-30-2010, 10:26 AM
This is my concern a little. I do a decent amount of gym work. I'm not by any means huge, but I have some decent muscle mass for my size and frame. I also carry a little extra weight though, and would like to slim down a bit, which is why i'm interested in the p90x. My biggest concern though is that I would need to replace my current gym schedule with it, cause I don't have time to do both. Will I be able to maintain most of what I have built up over the past few years from lifting on p90x? I'm not looking to build any more just slim down but still keep what I already have.

As long as your diet is in check, then you shouldn't lose any muscle. By that I mean you should make sure to consume 1g protein/lb of body weight each day. You will need to be in a caloric deficiency to lose fat, but you should be able to keep your muscle as long as you are getting enough protein and doing some sort of resistance training. Only try to lose about 1 lb per week though.

For example, I bulked up from 185 to 225 putting on a lot of muscle (and a lot more fat). When I decided to cut to the 195 I'm at now, I just made sure to not lose more than a pound to pound and a half a week and kept lifting while eating enough protein. After losing 30 pounds, I can still lift the same and have not lost any muscle mass (I haven't gained any muscle over this time either).

People always want to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, but unless you are absolutely a beginner, this is a rather difficult feat. For me to gain muscle I have to be in a caloric excess where naturally I'm going to gain fat as well. Fortunately, if your diet is in check you can lose fat without really losing any of those muscle gains as long as you do it slowly. For me, that means continuous cycles of bulking and cutting while lifting to slowly reach my goals. Ultimately I want to be at 205 lbs at 6% BF which is a long way from where I'm at now. It will probably take me 2 more years of proper training and diet to get there. The thing is, it is a slow process and you just have to keep motivated to get there.

But the short answer to your question is yes you can maintain what you've done in the gym by switching to p90x as long as your diet is in check. You could also lose it by not switching anything up and just make sure you are in a caloric deficiency while doing some resistance training. It just takes dedication either way you want to do it.

bowtown
04-30-2010, 10:47 AM
As long as your diet is in check, then you shouldn't lose any muscle. By that I mean you should make sure to consume 1g protein/lb of body weight each day. You will need to be in a caloric deficiency to lose fat, but you should be able to keep your muscle as long as you are getting enough protein and doing some sort of resistance training. Only try to lose about 1 lb per week though.

For example, I bulked up from 185 to 225 putting on a lot of muscle (and a lot more fat). When I decided to cut to the 195 I'm at now, I just made sure to not lose more than a pound to pound and a half a week and kept lifting while eating enough protein. After losing 30 pounds, I can still lift the same and have not lost any muscle mass (I haven't gained any muscle over this time either).

People always want to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, but unless you are absolutely a beginner, this is a rather difficult feat. For me to gain muscle I have to be in a caloric excess where naturally I'm going to gain fat as well. Fortunately, if your diet is in check you can lose fat without really losing any of those muscle gains as long as you do it slowly. For me, that means continuous cycles of bulking and cutting while lifting to slowly reach my goals. Ultimately I want to be at 205 lbs at 6% BF which is a long way from where I'm at now. It will probably take me 2 more years of proper training and diet to get there. The thing is, it is a slow process and you just have to keep motivated to get there.

But the short answer to your question is yes you can maintain what you've done in the gym by switching to p90x as long as your diet is in check. You could also lose it by not switching anything up and just make sure you are in a caloric deficiency while doing some resistance training. It just takes dedication either way you want to do it.

Great, thanks!

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 11:02 AM
It will probably take me 2 more years of proper training and diet to get there. The thing is, it is a slow process and you just have to keep motivated to get there.


I think this is key here. People have unrealistic goals and are impatient and get discouraged after the results don't come as fast as they want. A good quote I remember from Sylvester Stallone was it took him 6 years of eating right, training with best trainers, taking all the supplements to go from rocky 1 to rocky III body. Granted now days training techniques are better and information on nutrition and supplement intake is much more effective.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/amoamarty/Rocky-movie-bh01.jpg
http://tf.org/images/covers/rocky_3.jpg

JCsuperstar
04-30-2010, 11:20 AM
This is my concern a little. I do a decent amount of gym work. I'm not by any means huge, but I have some decent muscle mass for my size and frame. I also carry a little extra weight though, and would like to slim down a bit, which is why i'm interested in the p90x. My biggest concern though is that I would need to replace my current gym schedule with it, cause I don't have time to do both. Will I be able to maintain most of what I have built up over the past few years from lifting on p90x? I'm not looking to build any more just slim down but still keep what I already have.

I think a great workout for you would be crossfit. Its 3 days on 1 day off. Normally the first day is a cardio workout, the second is a metacon workout, and the third day is a heavy lifting workout. But by no means is this the case every three days. It will definately help you slim down but will keep your muscle mass up. My buddy was big into body building and I finally talked him into giving crossfit a shot. He was pretty skeptical cause the first workout was 7 rounds of 1 rep snatch balances at max weight. He called me the next day and couldnt describe how sore he was. Most days dont look hard on paper but just given them a chance you'll understand after the first one.

yerner
04-30-2010, 11:35 AM
That's cute. Sorry you're a fat waste of space, but hey, keep throwing your money at the problem, that's the easy way to get in shape!!!!!

Whatever. I've lifted weights since I was 17. I've done every lifted there is to do. P90x is a solid program option which was the topic of the forum. You come on here to act like a jerkoff and insult people sharing infomation in a legitmate way for no other reason than to be a twat.

yerner
04-30-2010, 12:04 PM
Depends on your goals. If you only want to lean out then yes, p90x is a great workout program.

However, if you actually want to put on muscle mass, you will never get that doing p90x. Sure some people might experience beginners gains in muscle from p90x, but the programs are definitely not geared towards muscle hypertrophy.

I've done p90x for 6 months and got great results in terms of leaning out. Went from 210 to 185 lbs and was probably around 12-14% BF. However, when I decided to gain muscle mass I had to join a gym to lift heavy. For example, after p90x when I first went into the gym I would do sets of 8 on bench press with 185, squats with 185 (p90x's greatest downfall IMO is that you don't get a great leg workout, this is borderline p***Y territory), and deadlifts with 225 lbs.

After 1-1.5 years of heavy lifting and proper diet I'm now 195lbs at 8% BF. There is no way I could have put this much muscle on with p90x. I now do sets of 8 on bench with 235, squats at 315, and deads at 355. I'm still significantly far from my goals, but then again my goals are much different and a gym is necessary. If you just want to lean out and lose some weight, then I would agree with you that gyms are a waste of money and a program like p90x will work. If you want to put on muscle mass then gyms are absolutely necessary unless you can afford some serious weight equipment for your home.

Nothing wrong with this information, but most people don't care about this type of strength.. I've done them all and it builds a much different body than P90x. I think the point is that p90X isn't a bad product and you can mantain muscle mass and significant strength.

By the way, have you read Men's Health Power Training by Robert dos Remedios? Great book. Took my bench from 250ish to well in the 300's. He lays out what I believe to be the definitive lifting guide. Sounds like you may dig it.

Taco John
04-30-2010, 12:38 PM
Whatever. I've lifted weights since I was 17. I've done every lifted there is to do. P90x is a solid program option which was the topic of the forum. You come on here to act like a jerkoff and insult people sharing infomation in a legitmate way for no other reason than to be a twat.

No kidding. What's up with that.

bronco_diesel
04-30-2010, 01:06 PM
have you read Men's Health Power Training by Robert dos Remedios?

Great Book!

Bob's your Information Minister
04-30-2010, 01:44 PM
Gyms are the biggest waste of money. You can get just as good of results working out at home, particularly with p90x....as long as you are motivated.

THIS.

It might not work for everyone but I love working out at home. Especially when I can blast Star Wars music without fear of embarrassment. :wiggle:

FADERPROOF
04-30-2010, 02:18 PM
Depends on your goals. If you only want to lean out then yes, p90x is a great workout program.

However, if you actually want to put on muscle mass, you will never get that doing p90x. Sure some people might experience beginners gains in muscle from p90x, but the programs are definitely not geared towards muscle hypertrophy.

I've done p90x for 6 months and got great results in terms of leaning out. Went from 210 to 185 lbs and was probably around 12-14% BF. However, when I decided to gain muscle mass I had to join a gym to lift heavy. For example, after p90x when I first went into the gym I would do sets of 8 on bench press with 185, squats with 185 (p90x's greatest downfall IMO is that you don't get a great leg workout, this is borderline p***Y territory), and deadlifts with 225 lbs.

After 1-1.5 years of heavy lifting and proper diet I'm now 195lbs at 8% BF. There is no way I could have put this much muscle on with p90x. I now do sets of 8 on bench with 235, squats at 315, and deads at 355. I'm still significantly far from my goals, but then again my goals are much different and a gym is necessary. If you just want to lean out and lose some weight, then I would agree with you that gyms are a waste of money and a program like p90x will work. If you want to put on muscle mass then gyms are absolutely necessary unless you can afford some serious weight equipment for your home.

does p90X put on the muscle in the abs? thats my main focus, losing the fab and getting a 6-pack abs out of it...

Bob's your Information Minister
04-30-2010, 02:32 PM
does p90X put on the muscle in the abs? thats my main focus, losing the fab and getting a 6-pack abs out of it...

Abs are made in the kitchen. Fat loss.

Doggcow
04-30-2010, 02:40 PM
So...

Egg whites or don't bother? What's the verdict?

I was thinking about getting this gimmick off of TV just for separating egg whites rofl.https://www.ezcracker.com/?MID=722592

scorpio
04-30-2010, 02:43 PM
Working out at home doesn't mean you can't squat/deadlift/bench etc.

Invest in a power rack, a nice bench, and an olympic barbell set and the sky is the limit.

I don't think I could ever give up "traditional" weight training for something like P90x, but I know a couple of girls who have done well with it.

bowtown
04-30-2010, 02:51 PM
Working out at home doesn't mean you can't squat/deadlift/bench etc.

Invest in a power rack, a nice bench, and an olympic barbell set and the sky is the limit.

I don't think I could ever give up "traditional" weight training for something like P90x, but I know a couple of girls who have done well with it.

I live in New York City. I barely have room for a single barbell.

scorpio
04-30-2010, 02:54 PM
I live in New York City. I barely have room for a single barbell.

I live in a third story apartment, so I have a gym membership (and I use it 6 days a week). But when I buy a house I'm going to build the nastiest, dankest, most foreboding basement dungeon gym you've ever seen.

bowtown
04-30-2010, 02:56 PM
I live in a third story apartment, so I have a gym membership (and I use it 6 days a week). But when I buy a house I'm going to build the nastiest, dankest, most foreboding basement dungeon gym you've ever seen.

Me too... one day.

elsid13
04-30-2010, 03:35 PM
Working out at home doesn't mean you can't squat/deadlift/bench etc.

Invest in a power rack, a nice bench, and an olympic barbell set and the sky is the limit.

I don't think I could ever give up "traditional" weight training for something like P90x, but I know a couple of girls who have done well with it.

I've done both, and P90X and Crossfit are nice breaks from the "traditional" weight training and both have helped me be build core strength and work on aspect of my strength training that I missed doing traditional lifts. I have incorporated stuff from both programs/system into my routine and its. Best leg workout I have is the 20 reps of 44 pounds db thruster.

I would recommend you look at some of stuff and try it when the traditional lifting get a little "boring" or repetitive.

Harvitz81
04-30-2010, 03:57 PM
Abs are made in the kitchen. Fat loss.

God I absolutely hate to agree with bob on this, but if you want a six-pack it is all about fat loss. Everyone has abs, you just have to be under 10% BF to see them.

I do a 10 minute ab workout once a week, but my six-pack has come from all dieting. I'm convinced that core work like squats and deadlifts are much better for this as well than any crunch will ever do.

Harvitz81
04-30-2010, 03:58 PM
So...

Egg whites or don't bother? What's the verdict?

I was thinking about getting this gimmick off of TV just for separating egg whites rofl.https://www.ezcracker.com/?MID=722592

Definitely eat the yolk. The yolk contains most of the protein (3.5g to the 2.5 in the whites) and also has ALL of the nutrients in the egg.

FADERPROOF
04-30-2010, 03:59 PM
Abs are made in the kitchen. Fat loss.

I am starting a diet, but I dont think you can get cut ripped abs just by eating healthy, sounds way to easy.

Need good ab exercises to get a nice ripped 6 pack, and how does this sounds to everyone else...

repetitive sets of throwdowns and pushups(started with 5 sets of 10, up to 5 setsof 11 and tomorrow 5 sets of 12 on the way up) and 2 minutes of up and down stairs for both cardio and leg workouts...sounds good? anything else I can be doing around the house before I get the p90X?

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 04:02 PM
does p90X put on the muscle in the abs? thats my main focus, losing the fab and getting a 6-pack abs out of it...

Ha ha don't we all want 6 pack. It is usually the last thing you will see because more fat is stored over them. You can't spot reduce fat other than lipo and you will have to get body fat down in single digits. Your abs are there already.

FADERPROOF
04-30-2010, 04:06 PM
Ha ha don't we all want 6 pack. It is usually the last thing you will see because more fat is stored over them. You can't spot reduce fat other than lipo and you will have to get body fat down in single digits. Your abs are there already.

so figure out how to cut down body fat...

Only asking because I used to have it and let myself go and now miss them, they were quite the meal ticket just by lifting my shirt up...

elsid13
04-30-2010, 04:08 PM
I am starting a diet, but I dont think you can get cut ripped abs just by eating healthy, sounds way to easy.

Need good ab exercises to get a nice ripped 6 pack, and how does this sounds to everyone else...

repetitive sets of throwdowns and pushups(started with 5 sets of 10, up to 5 setsof 11 and tomorrow 5 sets of 12 on the way up) and 2 minutes of up and down stairs for both cardio and leg workouts...sounds good? anything else I can be doing around the house before I get the p90X?


No exercise by itself is going to give you abs. You need to get on workout routine and good eating plan.

Before you start P90X I recommend you look at the body exercise over at crossfit.com Scale them to fit you level. 3 days of body weight exercise and 2 of cardio is good start.

tsiguy96
04-30-2010, 04:08 PM
Abs are made in the kitchen. Fat loss.

unless you dont have anything to show off, in which case you will just look skinny. abs are made in the gym, revealed in the kitchen.

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 04:12 PM
so figure out how to cut down body fat...

Only asking because I used to have it and let myself go and now miss them, they were quite the meal ticket just by lifting my shirt up...

Your diet will be the key by taking in less calories than you eat. You will need to workout and do some cardio. I'd run or bike with since both burn about 900 calories an hour. You can bike for several hours and still function the next day. A good hour to hour and thirty minutes will be all you can run once your legs get in shape until you can build more. Stair stepper at gym, spin class, all sorts of cardio.

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 04:13 PM
unless you dont have anything to show off, in which case you will just look skinny. abs are made in the gym, revealed in the kitchen.

Everyone has abs or your back would break. Skinny dudes abs still can be covered in fat.

bronco_diesel
04-30-2010, 04:24 PM
I'm convinced that core work like squats and deadlifts are much better for this as well than any crunch will ever do.

Agreed. It really is quite simple.

When your muscles grow, it takes more calories to maintain. It then only makes sense to target the largest muscles in the body to get the best results.

I also target excercises that require multiple muscle groups - this is why dead lifts are so good.

The key after the workout is striking a balance with your food. Eat enough so you don't lose muscle, but where you are not storing fat too.

Popps
04-30-2010, 04:50 PM
Definitely eat the yolk. The yolk contains most of the protein (3.5g to the 2.5 in the whites) and also has ALL of the nutrients in the egg.

Not true, and particularly if you factor in calories/fat you'll consume eating yolks.


Best bet is to use ratio of 2-1 whites/yolks, or higher.

Or, if you're wanting to keep the meal as lean as possible, don't eat any yolks, or just use one and mix it in for flavor.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-30-2010, 04:58 PM
I am starting a diet, but I dont think you can get cut ripped abs just by eating healthy, sounds way to easy.

HA!

It's way easier to do ab work than maintain enough discipline to get a six pack.

If you eat right 150 reverse leg lifts a week is plenty to get nice abs.

tsiguy96
04-30-2010, 05:37 PM
Everyone has abs or your back would break. Skinny dudes abs still can be covered in fat.

I'm aware what abs are for but if you have nothing to show what good is dieting going to do for you? Think about it for a second then gogle a picture of Dustin diamond and let me know if you thinkdieting will show his super awesome 6 pack

Taco John
04-30-2010, 06:55 PM
I'm aware what abs are for but if you have nothing to show what good is dieting going to do for you? Think about it for a second then gogle a picture of Dustin diamond and let me know if you thinkdieting will show his super awesome 6 pack

http://www.pestaola.gr/images/screech_saved_by_the_bell.jpg

Bob's your Information Minister
04-30-2010, 07:09 PM
Unless you have a picture of shirtless Screech, you're not going to convince anyone.

Brad Pitt did very little working out for Fight Club. He just got insanely shredded because of diet. And probably a little steroid help.

theAPAOps5
04-30-2010, 07:22 PM
Unless you have a picture of shirtless Screech, you're not going to convince anyone.

Brad Pitt did very little working out for Fight Club. He just got insanely shredded because of diet. And probably a little steroid help.

Don't forget genetics. If you want to read funny threads go to bodybuilding.com and search Brad Pitt Fight Club. People get pissed by how many times its asked about his workout!

tsiguy96
04-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Unless you have a picture of shirtless Screech, you're not going to convince anyone.

Brad Pitt did very little working out for Fight Club. He just got insanely shredded because of diet. And probably a little steroid help.

i dont need to convince you guys, its a fact. yes, a person can show what little abs they have if they diet enough, but guess what, if theres very little muscle there in the first place, you need to rethink your priorities about getting a precious 6 pack.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-30-2010, 07:37 PM
i dont need to convince you guys, its a fact. yes, a person can show what little abs they have if they diet enough, but guess what, if theres very little muscle there in the first place, you need to rethink your priorities about getting a precious 6 pack.

Look, this is the point I'm trying to make:

Excessive abdominal workouts are a waste of time and energy. If you spend 30 minutes a week working your abs, that's more than enough.

The exercise industry has built lies upon lies in order to sell people ab machines and ab DVDs and lord knows what else.

Getting great abs is 15 percent work, 85 percent diet.

tsiguy96
04-30-2010, 07:45 PM
Look, this is the point I'm trying to make:

Excessive abdominal workouts are a waste of time and energy. If you spend 30 minutes a week working your abs, that's more than enough.

The exercise industry has built lies upon lies in order to sell people ab machines and ab DVDs and lord knows what else.

Getting great abs is 15 percent work, 85 percent diet.

and i disagree. getting great VISIBLE abs is mostly diet, yes. but diet does not cause hypertrophy in your abs, which will not only decrease the amount of fat you need to drop to make them visible, but will make them bigger and more defined when you do get to the level you are looking for.

you dont need to work abs for hours and hours on end, but they are small muscles and heal relatively fast, you can work them 2-3 times per week with little ill effect.

zdoor
04-30-2010, 08:00 PM
Not true, and particularly if you factor in calories/fat you'll consume eating yolks.


Best bet is to use ratio of 2-1 whites/yolks, or higher.

Or, if you're wanting to keep the meal as lean as possible, don't eat any yolks, or just use one and mix it in for flavor.

Agree completely. Yolks have a lot of fat for the protein. 2-1 is what I eat and is a very good mix to keep some flavor.

zdoor
04-30-2010, 08:03 PM
and i disagree. getting great VISIBLE abs is mostly diet, yes. but diet does not cause hypertrophy in your abs, which will not only decrease the amount of fat you need to drop to make them visible, but will make them bigger and more defined when you do get to the level you are looking for.

you dont need to work abs for hours and hours on end, but they are small muscles and heal relatively fast, you can work them 2-3 times per week with little ill effect.

Agree with you. I like to train people super-setting abs with other excercises regularly for the hyper-trophic effect as well as the cardio benefit of elevated heart rate through the super-set. But, if the diet is in check its all for not...

zdoor
04-30-2010, 08:05 PM
If you're motivated, you'll get in shape no matter what the tools are that you have available. Prisoners in solitary confinement 23 hours a day in an 8 x 10 room can stay in shape. It's the fat idiots like yerner that think that buying the latest fad workouts will magically get them in shape that piss me off.

Why act like a douche constantly? Someone asked for some help and others are answering. Don't be an ass...

FADERPROOF
04-30-2010, 08:07 PM
Well did my first grocery shopping with this new diet, hopefully with the workouts and not drinking alcohol I'll be able to start seeing some good changes here soon.

theAPAOps5
04-30-2010, 08:24 PM
Well did my first grocery shopping with this new diet, hopefully with the workouts and not drinking alcohol I'll be able to start seeing some good changes here soon.

Make sure to reward yourself though. You can't go from you normal routine to living healthy and working out with the flip of a switch.

Give yourself a day to "cheat" but make it a reward and not a norm.

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 08:53 PM
I'm aware what abs are for but if you have nothing to show what good is dieting going to do for you? Think about it for a second then gogle a picture of Dustin diamond and let me know if you thinkdieting will show his super awesome 6 pack

Well here is a pic of my best friend that has never worked out and has always had a 6 pack. I am serious he has never been in a gym and eats about as bad as anyone I have seen. Yes you can pick some guys that have no muscle and Diamond probably has a high body fat percentage too. If you body fat is low you will see abs.

bowtown
04-30-2010, 09:11 PM
Well here is a pic of my best friend that has never worked out and has always had a 6 pack. I am serious he has never been in a gym and eats about as bad as anyone I have seen. Yes you can pick some guys that have no muscle and Diamond probably has a high body fat percentage too. If you body fat is low you will see abs.

That guy is also not typical. Low body fat alone will not make you look like that. you need genes that help you put on muscle while doing next to nothing to look like that without working out at all.

spdirty
04-30-2010, 09:14 PM
Louder than a jet engine in there!

tsiguy96
04-30-2010, 09:16 PM
Well here is a pic of my best friend that has never worked out and has always had a 6 pack. I am serious he has never been in a gym and eats about as bad as anyone I have seen. Yes you can pick some guys that have no muscle and Diamond probably has a high body fat percentage too. If you body fat is low you will see abs.

you are dumb, its official. you picked a guy who was born with more muscle mass than most and showed he has abs. great! everyone has abs somewhere down there. guess waht? if you dont, and most people have very small abs, even if you are ripped to shreds you will have very little to show for it.

sixtimeseight
04-30-2010, 09:56 PM
It's hilarious that about 90% of the time I see someone quoting az****forbrains, it starts out with "you are dumb" or "you are a ****ing moron" or "are you retarded?"

azbroncfan
04-30-2010, 10:11 PM
you are dumb, its official. you picked a guy who was born with more muscle mass than most and showed he has abs. great! everyone has abs somewhere down there. guess waht? if you dont, and most people have very small abs, even if you are ripped to shreds you will have very little to show for it.

Well you still won't see abs if you don't have the genetics or diet correctly. Seeing abs isn't just about the gym like you said. I am dumb for picking a guy with good genetics or are you the dumb ass that picked a guy that looks skinny but still would have a higher percentage of body fat than you would think? Your the one with the claimed degree in the area.

Doggcow
05-01-2010, 12:14 AM
No fighting in the sexy yoked guys thread.

Please :)

tsiguy96
05-01-2010, 12:21 AM
Well you still won't see abs if you don't have the genetics or diet correctly. Seeing abs isn't just about the gym like you said. I am dumb for picking a guy with good genetics or are you the dumb ass that picked a guy that looks skinny but still would have a higher percentage of body fat than you would think? Your the one with the claimed degree in the area.

i never once said that its just about the gym, go read my original statement. my "claimed" degree happens on may 14th btw ;)

you cant just "pick" a single person and try to represent them as a whole, my statement is that most people dont have much to show if they dont train, regardless if they are shredded or not. if you want to have defined, visually attractive abs, to put a blanket statement that all it takes is diet is wrong. with dieting alone, most of the population would have very, very little in terms of a "6 pack" goes. it takes both, but discounting training of abs because you think it doesnt make them visible is wrong.

TheDude07
05-01-2010, 03:28 AM
Hey guys. I enjoy reading you guys/gals posts, but I'd like to say that P90X works. It's perfect for toning, but not so much for beginners. I spent all of last year getting in shape and was able to lose 25 lbs with a poor diet. This year, my goal was to get ripped. I'm on the last phase of the program and I must say, I've gotten excellent results. My body fat went from low 20's, to 10% in a few months.

So to the OP, if you haven't been working out, or have been out of the loop for some time, I don't recommend that you start P90X right off the bat, because you'll just end up quiting like a lot of people have..

FADERPROOF
05-01-2010, 04:32 AM
Make sure to reward yourself though. You can't go from you normal routine to living healthy and working out with the flip of a switch.

Give yourself a day to "cheat" but make it a reward and not a norm.

We'll see, I want results as quick as possible though. Just my personality, when I jump into something I head into it full throttle to reach that goal.

elsid13
05-01-2010, 06:43 AM
We'll see, I want results as quick as possible though. Just my personality, when I jump into something I head into it full throttle to reach that goal.

You will want a cheat day. It natural and it helps keep you on the diet. My advice is plan on one day and stick to it, don't rotate. You will stay on diet longer if you do it that way.

Rabb
05-01-2010, 06:44 AM
Well did my first grocery shopping with this new diet, hopefully with the workouts and not drinking alcohol I'll be able to start seeing some good changes here soon.

good for you bro, I know personally just getting my lazy ass to get into the right mindset and get started was the biggest hurdle

once you get rolling it becomes habit and you will feel fantastic

:thumbs:

Rabb
05-01-2010, 06:47 AM
No fighting in the sexy yoked guys thread.

Please :)

leave it to tsi to start trouble though, it's just what he does

theAPAOps5
05-01-2010, 06:51 AM
We'll see, I want results as quick as possible though. Just my personality, when I jump into something I head into it full throttle to reach that goal.

A cheat day will get you results faster just so long as you don't go crazy. A cheat day is a reward for the hard work you put in during the previous days. So if you treat it that way you will work hard those other 6 days to earn the reward.

FADERPROOF
05-01-2010, 07:03 AM
good for you bro, I know personally just getting my lazy ass to get into the right mindset and get started was the biggest hurdle

once you get rolling it becomes habit and you will feel fantastic

:thumbs:

Yeah thats been my main issue, motivation. I had all the excuses in the world, full time employee, father, loves watching sports etc. just anything I could think of to say "I want to workout and get in shape but..."

Then something happened a few weeks ago that changed my mindset and said it was time for me to make a change, not only in working out but in lifestyle in general. So dieting and no alcohol/caffeine comes with my change, and hopefully here in a few months I'll see necessary changes. If there's a will, here is time for me to workout and Im fitting it in right now while working 8 hours and watching my son afterwards.

Weighed myself on Tuesday at 174.2, yesterday I came in a 172.6 and thats just with some walking/pushups/throwdowns, basically just by watching what I eat I've lost over one pound, Now once I actually start my workout training(now is just to get myself into shape for a vigorous workout), I'm feeling confident that I'll be able to look like I want to.

azbroncfan
05-01-2010, 08:22 AM
A cheat day will get you results faster just so long as you don't go crazy. A cheat day is a reward for the hard work you put in during the previous days. So if you treat it that way you will work hard those other 6 days to earn the reward.

The problem with cheat day is it easily turns into cheat weekend. That was what I did for drinking I would say one day which was usually saturday night then football season rolled around. I was well a day is 24 hour period so I can drink sat night and all day sunday. Cheat days are nice to rid of all your urges you had all week.

MileHighMagic
05-01-2010, 10:26 AM
I could not have finished P90x without a partner pushing me. I was your tyical ex-athlete who would workout for three weeks and quit for two months and start that weak ass cycle all over again. My partner and I would discuss i.e. b**** about how tough the previous days workout was and we really kept each other going thru discussion. Knowing her excitement and motivation level kept me motivated and disciplined. P90x was the magic jumpstart I needed to fall in love with exercise and nutrition and taught me how hard I needed to work and how far I can push myself.

I am now a 5-6 times a week gym guy and I eat super clean and I haven't had a drink in 121 days. I lift heavy and do almost no cardio. BF% is still around 8-10. I am currently bulking but I will be going hardcore cardio again in a couple months.

My advice to anyone starting out is; do not drink your calories, exercise at the same time everyday, lift heavy and develop some mental toughness and discipline by simply trying - Push yourself! The reward is well worth it.

Taco John
05-01-2010, 10:31 AM
My advice to anyone starting out is; do not drink your calories, exercise at the same time everyday, lift heavy and develop some mental toughness and discipline by simply trying - Push yourself! The reward is well worth it.


Unless those calories are whey protein calories!

Doggcow
05-01-2010, 10:31 AM
I could not have finished P90x without a partner pushing me. I was your tyical ex-athlete who would workout for three weeks and quit for two months and start that weak ass cycle all over again. My partner and I would discuss i.e. b**** about how tough the previous days workout was and we really kept each other going thru discussion. Knowing her excitement and motivation level kept me motivated and disciplined. P90x was the magic jumpstart I needed to fall in love with exercise and nutrition and taught me how hard I needed to work and how far I can push myself.

I am now a 5-6 times a week gym guy and I eat super clean and I haven't had a drink in 121 days. I lift heavy and do almost no cardio. BF% is still around 8-10. I am currently bulking but I will be going hardcore cardio again in a couple months.

My advice to anyone starting out is; do not drink your calories, exercise at the same time everyday, lift heavy and develop some mental toughness and discipline by simply trying - Push yourself! The reward is well worth it.

What about drinking protein shakes? Seems like the most affordable method for one to hit their protein needs.

Also-

Anyone have any suggestions for pushing through headcolds when you run/workout? I've had a wicked bad one for like 2 weeks. Won't ****ing die.

also, best way to separate egg whites?

Taco John
05-01-2010, 10:32 AM
Don't worry about seperating egg whites. That egg yolks are bad for you is an overinflated myth. If you're lifting, you need all the calories you can get, and an egg yolk is great to aid that.

Taco John
05-01-2010, 10:34 AM
But if you're hell bend on sperating them, here is what my wife uses:
http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Run-Egg-Separator-Plastic/dp/B0000VLPTE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1272735235&sr=8-5

MileHighMagic
05-01-2010, 10:37 AM
Forgive me..Yes, I drink two protein shakes a day. One in the am and one post workout. I like to throw in some frozen blueberries and a banana or somestimes natty pb.

scorpio
05-01-2010, 10:39 AM
I eat the whole egg, but there is a product called Egg Beaters that is just liquid egg whites.

Doggcow
05-01-2010, 10:57 AM
Anyone know a good site for finding random nutrition facts?

Slade
05-01-2010, 11:33 AM
Anyone know a good site for finding random nutrition facts?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/newyearsguide.htm

scorpio
05-01-2010, 11:35 AM
fitday.com, calorie king and daily plate are all pretty good for looking stuff up and recording your calories.

Atwater His Ass
05-01-2010, 04:48 PM
Simple fact is P90X works. It will challenge you mentally and physically. You will either want Tony Horton to have your babies or rip his face off with a rusty spoon.

The hardest parts will be sticking to the exercise routine and eating habits.

I would not recommend this program to someone who's doing the whole New Year's resolution mind set. If you're out of shape, you will most likely fail this program and end up feeling worse about yourself. Start off by going to the gym, running around your neighborhood, shooting some hoops, whatever. Just something to get you into the mindset of exercising 3-4x a week. At this point it doesn't matter what you are doing, just as long as you are setting time aside to do it. Do random lifts at the gym for 30 mins and run the treadmill for 30 mins. Again, really doesn't matter at this point.

Start slowly changing your eating habits. An excellent start is cut out all soda/pop. Stop eating out. Those are 2 simple changes that will have a huge impact on your diet. If you are ignorant about calories, different kinds of fat, etc., educate yourself. Don't listen to the indoctronational crap you see/hear from the media. Take the time and really educate yourself about food. It will be huge eye opener. You will have to count calories at first. It's the best way to really see how much you are eating. After awhile, this will all become second nature to you and you won't need to count and write down your food intake everyday. But it's the best way to start out.

After you can keep that up for a month or two, you should be ready to start something like P90X with a higher chance of success.

Healthy living is a complete life style change. It's not something you pine about for a year while stuff your face with McDonalds, and then start to feel so bad about it that you think something like P90X can be a miracle solution. That's why I strongly recommend making incremental changes in your life style. Your goal should be for the long term change to a healthy life style, not struggling through some work out routine for the short term.

Doggcow
05-02-2010, 12:41 PM
My gf totally sabotaged me, by making a massive amount of Chocolate Chip Cookies and Cookie Dough the other day... For my birthday. God.

FADERPROOF
05-02-2010, 02:40 PM
When checking out nutritional facts, what should I be looking for other than calories?

elsid13
05-02-2010, 02:56 PM
When checking out nutritional facts, what should I be looking for other than calories?

Amount of sugar and fats.

FADERPROOF
05-02-2010, 04:13 PM
Amount of sugar and fats.

ok cool, and yes I really am that dumb haha.

elsid13
05-02-2010, 04:26 PM
ok cool, and yes I really am that dumb haha.

Remember not all fats are bad. Olive oil and the fatty fish are good and should be part of your diet. I found place like Cooking Light and Body for Life websites are good source for recipes and good food ideas.

ColoradoDarin
05-02-2010, 07:28 PM
When checking out nutritional facts, what should I be looking for other than calories?

Also sodium content

bowtown
05-02-2010, 07:45 PM
Here is my final question about p90x. I live on the 2nd floor of an apartment buliding. Lots of jumping is kind of out of the question for me. Can I still do the workouts without a lot of crashing on the ceiling below?

Atwater His Ass
05-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Not really. They preach landing as soft as possible "like a cat", but when you're tired and busting ass towards the end of the workout, you're going to be landing hard.

Popps
05-02-2010, 08:06 PM
But if you're hell bend on sperating them, here is what my wife uses:
http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Run-Egg-Separator-Plastic/dp/B0000VLPTE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1272735235&sr=8-5

Definitely recommend separating for most people. Something like a 3/1 or 2/1 ratio works fine for most.

You need lots of protein if you're lifting, but you may not need the 30 grams of fat and high cholesterol you'll consume in a 6 egg serving. (Not uncommon for training... I've made 8-10 egg-white omelette meals while training.

I've been training as a vegetarian for about 20 years, so I've definitely eaten more than my share of eggs.

Agree on the whey drinks, though. They're so easily available these days, and it's the highest quality protein out there.

Doggcow
05-03-2010, 12:02 AM
Anyone that does P90X know if these things work fine, and aren't ****ty knockoffs?

They look solid, but just double checking.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Chin-Pull-Up-Bar-Resistance-Bands-P90X-Protein-Bar-/260595525718?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cacb42856

Atwater His Ass
05-03-2010, 12:09 AM
I could never find a doorway that would work with one of those.

I'm also 6'4", so it was akward trying to do pull-ups from my knees and such inside a skinny doorway.

If you have the area to install a real pull up bar, that's the way to go by far.

Doggcow
05-03-2010, 12:23 AM
I could never find a doorway that would work with one of those.

I'm also 6'4", so it was akward trying to do pull-ups from my knees and such inside a skinny doorway.

If you have the area to install a real pull up bar, that's the way to go by far.

I thought the other grips would be important? Shouldn't that bar just install on any door with trim?

I'm only 5'8'' so it's not a big deal for me. But we are living in a 710sq. ft. Apartment right now... Cuz it's only $400 a month... while I do the grad school thing. So space is limited.

Doggcow
05-03-2010, 12:26 AM
If the trim breaks off my door, whatever, I'll just nail a 1-by up there and use that. I don't really care since it'll be in the "workout" room :P

Doggcow
05-03-2010, 12:30 AM
Also, Anyone suggest certain Protein Bars over others? Or Protein Shakes?

I'm also looking for Cost-efficiency above all else... I would love to drop $3-4 on an uber-bar, but I just can't do that :P

Atwater His Ass
05-03-2010, 12:39 AM
I thought the other grips would be important? Shouldn't that bar just install on any door with trim?

I'm only 5'8'' so it's not a big deal for me. But we are living in a 710sq. ft. Apartment right now... Cuz it's only $400 a month... while I do the grad school thing. So space is limited.

The design of it is ok. So if you have a doorway that will work, or you can make work, it's an option and it will do the job.

As far as grips, I would recommend getting a set of grips for each band because it's a huge pain in the ass to stop and change out grips because you need a different band now for a different exercise.

EDIT: looks like that is some kind of 3 in1 grip or something? Haven't ever tried something like that, but it looks a git un-wieldy. I'd still just go for seperate grips for each band.

Rabb
05-03-2010, 07:20 AM
I always wondered how those don't rip the door frame/trim off

Taco John
05-03-2010, 07:50 AM
When checking out nutritional facts, what should I be looking for other than calories?


The best thing to do to learn this stuff is to just track whatever it is you eat on a site like FitDay.com for a month (or more). Do this for a month, and you'll learn more about food nutrition than you ever imagined. All the pieces will start to come together, because you'll start to see your diet in context of these numbers and get an idea of how balanced you are (or aren't) eating. From there you will be able to make informed changes to your diet.

Rabb
05-03-2010, 02:32 PM
The best thing to do to learn this stuff is to just track whatever it is you eat on a site like FitDay.com for a month (or more). Do this for a month, and you'll learn more about food nutrition than you ever imagined. All the pieces will start to come together, because you'll start to see your diet in context of these numbers and get an idea of how balanced you are (or aren't) eating. From there you will be able to make informed changes to your diet.

yes, this

I use myfitnesspal.com which has a nice iPhone app also that integrates...you really don't know how bad some things are until it's broken down for you

Doggcow
05-03-2010, 03:23 PM
So I just did the AbripperX thing, and I feel like I want to throw up lol.

Taco is my life coach, he has me on a "Ramp-Up" program.

I ate a 25g Protein bar after I ran for about 20min and Rowed for 15min and did Abripper.

I just had a turkey sandwich on whole wheat, 4 hard boiled egg-whites and a bowl of Mini-Wheats (We have a ****ton, should I just ax this for my diet or go through it...?) for breakfast.

Planning on a Turkey Sandwich for dinner. Should I just drink a Whey shake for my in-between meal?

I'll be at about 140g of protein 1600 Calories, 25g fat, 180g Carbs (almost all from the Mini-wheats)

Am I doing this right? I'm not sure how I could eat much more protein unless I just drink a bigger shake, should I do that?

Popps
05-03-2010, 04:22 PM
So I just did the AbripperX thing, and I feel like I want to throw up lol.

Taco is my life coach, he has me on a "Ramp-Up" program.

I ate a 25g Protein bar after I ran for about 20min and Rowed for 15min and did Abripper.

I just had a turkey sandwich on whole wheat, 4 hard boiled egg-whites and a bowl of Mini-Wheats (We have a ****ton, should I just ax this for my diet or go through it...?) for breakfast.

Planning on a Turkey Sandwich for dinner. Should I just drink a Whey shake for my in-between meal?

I'll be at about 140g of protein 1600 Calories, 25g fat, 180g Carbs (almost all from the Mini-wheats)

Am I doing this right? I'm not sure how I could eat much more protein unless I just drink a bigger shake, should I do that?


Trader Joes has 35g shakes for about $1.99. Two of those per day should get you close to half of the protein you need, depending on your body weight.

(Some claim you need 1g per pound, some people say more... some people say your body won't process any more than that.)

I always went with about 1g per pound when lifting heavy, and probably had my best results accordingly. You can also buy MetRX Protein at TJ's for $25 a container. 45g per serving in shakes.

If you can supplement 70g of quality protein that way, it's fairly easy to get the rest if you eat meat. I don't eat meat, but I do eat eggs/beans/milk products, so I have no problem getting the rest.

Also, obviously... protein bars help in that regard, and can satisfy a sweets craving. (Keeping in mind, most are loaded with sugar, so read the labels.)

Most say to consume your protein within 30 min of working out. I always felt like having some later in the evening helped, as well. (Yogurt, a shake, etc.) You basically want your body to have it available for as much of the day as possible. I've read stories about bodybuilders that would wake up in the middle of the night to take in some protein.

Just a personal choice here... but I go carb-heavier in the top half of the day. Always felt like it made more sense, as I would have a chance to burn them off as the day went on. (And went protein/veggie heavier as the day progressed.)

Drink lots of water, too.

Also, if you're not taking metimucil, consider it. Just one small serving in the middle of the day. Most males don't get nearly enough quality fiber. It's very difficult to do. I've heard more than one doctor say that all males should supplement with some fiber every day. Also helps you avoid some of the stomach issues that could arrive with eating a healthy diet. (Yes, eating healthier can produce some unwanted digestion issues for some people, ironically.)

Tinker with your workouts, too. I work out 2 body-parts per workout. I used to do the whole body thing, or upper one day/lower the next. My results were moderately good. I switched to doing two body parts, plus abs or light legwork every other day, and packed on muscle more quickly than I ever had. You've got to totally exhaust a muscle group, and then give it adequate time to recover. At least that's what works for me, but tinker around and see what you respond to. Don't assume something you read here or in a magazine will work for you. There was a bodybuilder a in the 80s who preached working out a body-part no more than once a week. (But really crushing it.)

Of course, get the cardio in every day. Boring, but so important. it'll keep you alive and healthy longer. I think a lot of people get caught up in vanity over health when the fact is... a proper workout should facilitate both, really.

Doggcow
05-03-2010, 05:15 PM
Trader Joes has 35g shakes for about $1.99. Two of those per day should get you close to half of the protein you need, depending on your body weight.

(Some claim you need 1g per pound, some people say more... some people say your body won't process any more than that.)

I always went with about 1g per pound when lifting heavy, and probably had my best results accordingly. You can also buy MetRX Protein at TJ's for $25 a container. 45g per serving in shakes.

If you can supplement 70g of quality protein that way, it's fairly easy to get the rest if you eat meat. I don't eat meat, but I do eat eggs/beans/milk products, so I have no problem getting the rest.

Also, obviously... protein bars help in that regard, and can satisfy a sweets craving. (Keeping in mind, most are loaded with sugar, so read the labels.)

Most say to consume your protein within 30 min of working out. I always felt like having some later in the evening helped, as well. (Yogurt, a shake, etc.) You basically want your body to have it available for as much of the day as possible. I've read stories about bodybuilders that would wake up in the middle of the night to take in some protein.

Just a personal choice here... but I go carb-heavier in the top half of the day. Always felt like it made more sense, as I would have a chance to burn them off as the day went on. (And went protein/veggie heavier as the day progressed.)

Drink lots of water, too.

Also, if you're not taking metimucil, consider it. Just one small serving in the middle of the day. Most males don't get nearly enough quality fiber. It's very difficult to do. I've heard more than one doctor say that all males should supplement with some fiber every day. Also helps you avoid some of the stomach issues that could arrive with eating a healthy diet. (Yes, eating healthier can produce some unwanted digestion issues for some people, ironically.)

Tinker with your workouts, too. I work out 2 body-parts per workout. I used to do the whole body thing, or upper one day/lower the next. My results were moderately good. I switched to doing two body parts, plus abs or light legwork every other day, and packed on muscle more quickly than I ever had. You've got to totally exhaust a muscle group, and then give it adequate time to recover. At least that's what works for me, but tinker around and see what you respond to. Don't assume something you read here or in a magazine will work for you. There was a bodybuilder a in the 80s who preached working out a body-part no more than once a week. (But really crushing it.)

Of course, get the cardio in every day. Boring, but so important. it'll keep you alive and healthy longer. I think a lot of people get caught up in vanity over health when the fact is... a proper workout should facilitate both, really.

I've been pounding water. About as much as I can per day.

Doing as much Cardio as I can, I generally like to hit up the rowing machine, as I have horrible endurance atm, and I can do 2000m and then hit the abs, then do 2000m more.

Since I can't run very long I feel like I am "down" more than I'm working, so I'm trying to get up as best I can.


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I had Dermatomyositis in 2002 and it kicked my ass, and all my endurance and everything. So I've had a REALLY hard time getting back up to shape, I was also ordered by a doctor not to over-exert myself... Imagine losing everything, going to square 1, well worse (as I ballooned from 160lbs to 190lbs while on the meds and whatnot) and lost all your proximal muscles... That's what I've been working through.. I feel I'm at a safe distance from it, that I won't relapse and I'm ready to test myself (Since less than 1% after 5 years dont relapse, and it's been longer).

P.S. ****off Sixtimeseight, come back when you're an Olympic Torchbearer, and run the flame after being paralyzed months before.

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I usually have a shake/bar after my workout, is there a "guideline" to follow for protein after? The ones I have now are 20g per serving, or ~25+g for the bars (I noticed they were high in sugar... How much before I should worry about the sugar? The one I like best is 16g to 25g protein).

Right now, TJ has me on a more cardio heavy workout. Btw, it's still fking cold here, do you get more used to the cold air as you run? Cuz it just burns the **** out of my lungs after about a mile... Or am I just being a pussy?

Boobs McGee
05-03-2010, 05:19 PM
Dogcow...just to let you know, I bought the iron gym version of the perfect pullup (basically, a doorway pullup bar), and it works fine for me. I'm a little over 6 ', and pushin 270, and it hasn't showed signs of breaking yet. The door OR the pullup bar. Should be just fine for you. 20 bucks at walgreens.


To everyone reading, I have a major question. I'm about to start p90x tomorrow, and was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the power band/dumbbell situation?

I've purchased a few bands, but I've always been a free weights user...never tried bands before (don't have the money for a set now). Can anyone tell me if the bands will actually work? If not, I'll save for a month and buy a few sets of bells, but for now I was wondering if you could get the same results on this program.

Taco John
05-03-2010, 05:39 PM
Dogcow...just to let you know, I bought the iron gym version of the perfect pullup (basically, a doorway pullup bar), and it works fine for me. I'm a little over 6 ', and pushin 270, and it hasn't showed signs of breaking yet. The door OR the pullup bar. Should be just fine for you. 20 bucks at walgreens.


To everyone reading, I have a major question. I'm about to start p90x tomorrow, and was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the power band/dumbbell situation?

I've purchased a few bands, but I've always been a free weights user...never tried bands before (don't have the money for a set now). Can anyone tell me if the bands will actually work? If not, I'll save for a month and buy a few sets of bells, but for now I was wondering if you could get the same results on this program.


I have dumbbells and bands. I actually use them both depending on the excersize. You'll absolutely get a workout from the bands. I didn't like them at first, but I got used to them and found that I actually preferred them for some of the excersizes.

Popps
05-03-2010, 05:50 PM
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I usually have a shake/bar after my workout, is there a "guideline" to follow for protein after? The ones I have now are 20g per serving

Sounds fine. Personally, I always like to have one of my larger, protein-based meals right after a workout, but that's not always possible. (Keep in mind, your metabolism is cranking after your workouts.)

But, even just a 15-20 gram bar after a workout is good.

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Right now, TJ has me on a more cardio heavy workout. Btw, it's still fking cold here, do you get more used to the cold air as you run? Cuz it just burns the **** out of my lungs after about a mile... Or am I just being a p***Y?

Run inside, man. Hit a treadmill or use the elipt. Are you running on concrete? That ****'s real bad for you, long-term. If it's burning your lungs and you've had health problems in the past, take it easy.

Listen to your doctor. You can get in shape without killing yourself. You can work up to a more strenuous pace.

Make sure you're sleeping enough. (Always one of my tougher challenges due to my random job scheduling.) But, that's when your body is doing all of its major repairs. (Adding muscle, etc.)

Popps
05-03-2010, 05:54 PM
I haven't weighed in on what to use yet, so I'll just say that if you want to get in shape... anything will work. Literally, almost anything.

I prefer a gym, because I have to go... and I have to focus while I'm there. I'm lucky that one is about 300 yards from my house.

But, when I was 19 and done with football/tennis in school... I started my workout program with one 25 lb "dumbbell" I found. I have no idea where I got it. It was made of concrete and rebar. Seriously. It looked like a Flintstones weight. But, I used the **** out of that thing. (In coordination with a lot of pull-ups, sit-ups, push-ups, etc.)
Finally got a weight set, but kept my Flinstones weight for a long time. Wish I still had it.

Point being, I personally believe it's got about 5% to do with what you're using and 95% to do with how dedicated you are, and of course how intelligently you're using what you have and the lifestyle outside of lifting/working out.

azbroncfan
05-03-2010, 06:45 PM
. Btw, it's still fking cold here, do you get more used to the cold air as you run? Cuz it just burns the **** out of my lungs after about a mile... Or am I just being a p***Y?

Covering your mouth with a scarf or neck gaiter will help breathing the cold air a lot.

elsid13
05-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Dogcow...just to let you know, I bought the iron gym version of the perfect pullup (basically, a doorway pullup bar), and it works fine for me. I'm a little over 6 ', and pushin 270, and it hasn't showed signs of breaking yet. The door OR the pullup bar. Should be just fine for you. 20 bucks at walgreens.


To everyone reading, I have a major question. I'm about to start p90x tomorrow, and was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the power band/dumbbell situation?

I've purchased a few bands, but I've always been a free weights user...never tried bands before (don't have the money for a set now). Can anyone tell me if the bands will actually work? If not, I'll save for a month and buy a few sets of bells, but for now I was wondering if you could get the same results on this program.

I have used both, I prefer the dumbbells (I recommend powerblocks for storage and expansion) for most of the exercises. But I would keep a set of the bands around for subs on the pulls-up and exercise at the end of the session. I have noticed at the end I was getting extremely tired and my form was gone, and the bands forced me to really focus completing the series.

Rabb
05-03-2010, 07:35 PM
I have dumbbells and bands. I actually use them both depending on the excersize. You'll absolutely get a workout from the bands. I didn't like them at first, but I got used to them and found that I actually preferred them for some of the excersizes.

I actually prefer the bands for the tricep exercises and a lot of the shoulder exercises (swimmers press, military press, upright rows)

I am actually amazed at the strength of the Beach Body ones that came with my program, I am a kinda' tall guy at 6'3-6'4 and I was worried those bastards would snap if I extended my hands all the way up while standing on them

Taco John
05-03-2010, 08:37 PM
I actually prefer the bands for the tricep exercises and a lot of the shoulder exercises (swimmers press, military press, upright rows)

I am actually amazed at the strength of the Beach Body ones that came with my program, I am a kinda' tall guy at 6'3-6'4 and I was worried those bastards would snap if I extended my hands all the way up while standing on them

I'm the same way. I have been mixing dumbells into my tricep work, but I think that the bands force me to use better form.

I done exploded my triceps tonight. I started the 5th week of the program today, and at this point Tony mixes it up and turns my Monday workout into a chest, shoulders, triceps workout (used to be a chest and back workout). I feel like I've got two helium balloons tied to the backs of my arms, and sharp needles deep in my chest. That workout was nuts! I can see where this workout is going to produce results. I'm looking forward to getting back to it next week and seeing if I can improve. I was definitely dogging it at the end of this workout. Completely destroyed. I can't wait to avenge my honor next Monday...

Taco John
05-03-2010, 10:22 PM
Check this guy out:

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Doggcow
05-05-2010, 05:42 PM
Btw, if you haven't already paid for P90X, you can download it on Isohunt in a few hours. If one were to do this.

I'm not encouraging it or anything.

Jason in LA
05-12-2010, 12:08 PM
I started P90X on Monday. The workouts so far are challenging, but the thing that's kicking my butt is the diet. I did the formula and it has me on 300 grams of protein, 180 grams of carbs, and 70 grams of fat. It's kind of tough putting down 300 grams of protein, but even tougher is cutting back to 180 grams of carbs. I'm getting about 100 grams of carbs before 10am (some before and after my workout). 80 grams of carbs for the rest of the day is really hard. It's like I'm eating a lot of protein the rest of the day, but it's like an incomplete meal, so I'm still hungry and my head starts hurting. I'm wondering if my body will just adapt to it after a while and those hunger pains will go away, or if it's something that I'll have to deal with until the fat burning phase is over.

tsiguy96
05-12-2010, 12:13 PM
I started P90X on Monday. The workouts so far are challenging, but the thing that's kicking my butt is the diet. I did the formula and it has me on 300 grams of protein, 180 grams of carbs, and 70 grams of fat. It's kind of tough putting down 300 grams of protein, but even tougher is cutting back to 180 grams of carbs. I'm getting about 100 grams of carbs before 10am (some before and after my workout). 80 grams of carbs for the rest of the day is really hard. It's like I'm eating a lot of protein the rest of the day, but it's like an incomplete meal, so I'm still hungry and my head starts hurting. I'm wondering if my body will just adapt to it after a while and those hunger pains will go away, or if it's something that I'll have to deal with until the fat burning phase is over.

300 grams of protein is ridiculous.

Dukes
05-12-2010, 12:17 PM
Check this guy out:

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Hope this guy knows that being a Navy SEAL is 90% mental.

Dukes
05-12-2010, 12:21 PM
I started P90X on Monday. The workouts so far are challenging, but the thing that's kicking my butt is the diet. I did the formula and it has me on 300 grams of protein, 180 grams of carbs, and 70 grams of fat. It's kind of tough putting down 300 grams of protein, but even tougher is cutting back to 180 grams of carbs. I'm getting about 100 grams of carbs before 10am (some before and after my workout). 80 grams of carbs for the rest of the day is really hard. It's like I'm eating a lot of protein the rest of the day, but it's like an incomplete meal, so I'm still hungry and my head starts hurting. I'm wondering if my body will just adapt to it after a while and those hunger pains will go away, or if it's something that I'll have to deal with until the fat burning phase is over.

Damn dude what are you eating that allows 300 grams of protein a day? And I totally agree that the hardest part of P90X is the diet. I just don't have the money or the time to eat how they prescribe.

Jason in LA
05-12-2010, 12:38 PM
300 grams of protein is ridiculous.

During the first phase protein is 50% of the calories taken in. That phase lasts 30 days. In the second phase it's 40% protein and 40% carbs.

Jason in LA
05-12-2010, 12:43 PM
Damn dude what are you eating that allows 300 grams of protein a day? And I totally agree that the hardest part of P90X is the diet. I just don't have the money or the time to eat how they prescribe.

A lot of chicken breast and eggs. On my normal diet I eat 3 chicken breast a day (I get a footlong chicken breast at Subway and have a chicken breast for dinner). And I eat three eggs a day (one whole egg and two egg whites). And I get 45 grams of protein from whey powder that I take after a workout.

Well to pump up my protein levels I'm eating an extra two chicken breast a day, 10 eggs (2 whole eggs and 8 egg whites), and an extra serving of the protein powder.

I'm glad this is only for 30 days.

Dukes
05-12-2010, 12:51 PM
A lot of chicken breast and eggs. On my normal diet I eat 3 chicken breast a day (I get a footlong chicken breast at Subway and have a chicken breast for dinner). And I eat three eggs a day (one whole egg and two egg whites). And I get 45 grams of protein from whey powder that I take after a workout.

Well to pump up my protein levels I'm eating an extra two chicken breast a day, 10 eggs (2 whole eggs and 8 egg whites), and an extra serving of the protein powder.

I'm glad this is only for 30 days.

Not bad, it's a lot of food but chicken and eggs are at least tolerable.

Dagmar
05-12-2010, 01:05 PM
Check this guy out:

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Major props to that fella.

I'm just trying to lose weight right now, lots of cardio. Will worry about muscle afterwards. Don't get me wrong, I am doing weights, just focusing on running 6 miles or so every morning.

BMF Bronco
05-12-2010, 01:53 PM
I haven't weighed in on what to use yet, so I'll just say that if you want to get in shape... anything will work. Literally, almost anything.



Point being, I personally believe it's got about 5% to do with what you're using and 95% to do with how dedicated you are, and of course how intelligently you're using what you have and the lifestyle outside of lifting/working out.

Precisely, hell when I was in rehab losing my weight I used a broomstick and jugs filled with water, when they took those away, I used furniture, when they disallowed that, I used books, all worked well enough to allow me to drop 60 pounds and maintain some semblance of muscle. Now that I am out I am using my dumbbells and my muscle memory kicked in and I am as strong as I was when I weighed 240.

BMF Bronco
05-12-2010, 02:00 PM
Oh yeah and I currently run between 4-6 miles every other day or bike to and from work (25 miles round trip). Still lifting on the other days too.

Rabb
06-08-2010, 01:49 PM
just thought I would check in with those of you that had started a program a few weeks ago

since then I have finished Power 90 (lost 28 lbs and 30 total inches) and started P90x

P90x is no joke, but doable..loving it so far

yerner
06-08-2010, 02:59 PM
just thought I would check in with those of you that had started a program a few weeks ago

since then I have finished Power 90 (lost 28 lbs and 30 total inches) and started P90x

P90x is no joke, but doable..loving it so far

awesome numbers.

McDman
06-08-2010, 04:27 PM
I'm on week two of P90X, and it's kicking my ass. I'm constantly sore. Especially my legs, it seems every workout is just about destroying your quad muscles.

I am going to start the program over, however. I decided to do the lean portion of the program and after having read up more and more it seems like the classic version is the way to go. I think I can just look at these last two weeks as a warm up.

I can't decide how I feel about Tony. He's such a douche sometime, but he is great at keeping you going and seems like a genuinely nice guy. It's hard to hate him.

elsid13
06-08-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm on week two of P90X, and it's kicking my ass. I'm constantly sore. Especially my legs, it seems every workout is just about destroying your quad muscles.

I am going to start the program over, however. I decided to do the lean portion of the program and after having read up more and more it seems like the classic version is the way to go. I think I can just look at these last two weeks as a warm up.

I can't decide how I feel about Tony. He's such a douche sometime, but he is great at keeping you going and seems like a genuinely nice guy. It's hard to hate him.

I really hated hearing the same jokes over and over again, that what sucks about using DVDs. Stick with it.

elsid13
06-08-2010, 04:54 PM
So I'm in my second mouth of Insanity and it's freaking killing me. I have lost about 10 pounds in 4 weeks (which is good since I started about 180). I was really active ( running 5Klicks three times week and lifting) but this is extremely challenging workout and I recommend for those that finish the P90X workouts.