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mizzoutigers
05-04-2010, 09:02 AM
I'll take 20-30Million as being closer to reality than this lowball estimate. I'd venture to guess there's probably 100 thousand employed in the construction, landscape, farming and service sector in colorado. Just a guess, but much more realistic than those BS numbers. This doesn't even account for their herds of offspring and multiple family members liveing in their households.

Time to call Orkin!

:thumbsup::thumbs:

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 09:05 AM
And Colorado...

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Estimated number of Illegal Immigrants (most recent) by state (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants)
Showing latest available data.

Rank States Amount

# 1 California: 2,209,000
# 2 Texas: 1,041,000
# 3 New York: 489,000
# 4 Illinois: 432,000
# 5 Florida: 337,000
# 6 Arizona: 283,000
# 7 Georgia: 228,000
# 8 New Jersey: 221,000
# 9 North Carolina: 206,000
# 10 Colorado: 144,000

Really? I thought Cali had more than 7+ million illegals, let alone all these other states and Cali.

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 09:09 AM
How about putting yourself in the shoes of an immigrant who is working through the arduous and exhaustive process to legally become a resident of the US? How about going through the years and years of BS hoop jumping only to learn that these people who have essentially cut the line...illegally...are going to get a free pass?

They want to be here? Fine. Get in f'ing line and take a f'ing number.

They want to send their money back to Mexico? Fine. First cut goes to Uncle Sam, right off the top, just like everybody else.

Yeah, getting a visa is a pain in the ass. Which is why we should be preferential to those who are actually trying to get one legally versus any consideration of amnesty or special treatment to those who have shown a blatant disregard for the law.

How the hell is this even a discussion?

I'm just pointing out the obvious. I agree that all the illegals here seriously devalue the legal immigrants who have played by the rules.

TailgateNut
05-04-2010, 09:15 AM
Seven points in the immigration bill
Democrats focus proposal on enforcement, legalization.
Democrats unveiled a 26-page proposal on immigration Thursday evening that closely follows a bipartisan draft hashed out by Sens. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) earlier this year.

Here are the main points:

* Enforce borders: The lawmakers plan to increase the number of border patrol officers and provide them with better equipment to detect fraud and smuggling. They also want to install ground sensors throughout the southern border to make it easier to detect illegal border crossing.

* Free up jails: The proposal calls for the deportation of illegal immigrants currently detained in federal and local prisons. Going forward, judges should minimize detention when possible.

* Verify workers: The Social Security Administration would begin issuing fraud-resistant social security cards that include a unique biometric identifier. Employers would have to verify work authorization using the new biometric system.

* Fine employers: Companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants would face greater fines. Employers would no longer be able to deduct the wages of unverified workers from their tax returns.

* Legalize immigrants: For the 12 million illegal immigrants already living in the United States, the proposal creates a path to citizenship. A person would begin by passing a criminal background check and paying pending fees and taxes. Eight years later, they could apply for legal resident status by demonstrating, among other things, English-language skills.

* Legalize spouses: The lawmakers plan to give legal resident status to what they call "permanent partners" of U.S. citizens. They also plan to address immigration benefits for widows, orphans, and adopted children of U.S. citizens.
* Amend visas: Foreign students who have or seek to attain U.S. degrees could apply for green cards, and foreign workers with visas could attain legal residency. A new provisional visa would be created for low-skilled workers, but employers would be encouraged to hire U.S. citizens before foreigners.

-- Ambreen Ali, Congress.org


More HORSE**** from the peanut gallery. Time to write some HATE MAIL to my reps!

Rohirrim
05-04-2010, 09:26 AM
I agree with creating a "path to citizenship." Here's the path. Go home and go to the U.S. consular office and file paperwork, just like everybody else has to do.

No reward for cutting in line.

Why do we need to create a new path to benefit those who broke existing laws?

I've seen this bs before. They'll institute all the freebies and then refuse to fund the enforcement. Those cards will never be created. No employer will ever be fined. Never going to happen.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-04-2010, 09:40 AM
Gotta part company with San Fran on this one.

What's the use of having immigration laws if you can't enforce them?

TailgateNut
05-04-2010, 09:58 AM
I agree with creating a "path to citizenship." Here's the path. Go home and go to the U.S. consular office and file paperwork, just like everybody else has to do.

No reward for cutting in line.

Why do we need to create a new path to benefit those who broke existing laws?

I've seen this bs before. They'll institute all the freebies and then refuse to fund the enforcement. Those cards will never be created. No employer will ever be fined. Never going to happen.


Nothing short of ^this^ is acceptable.

Meck77
05-04-2010, 10:12 AM
Maybe next time a president will run on a platform of CHANGE! YES WE CAN!

mkporter
05-04-2010, 10:21 AM
I agree with creating a "path to citizenship." Here's the path. Go home and go to the U.S. consular office and file paperwork, just like everybody else has to do.

No reward for cutting in line.

Why do we need to create a new path to benefit those who broke existing laws?

I've seen this bs before. They'll institute all the freebies and then refuse to fund the enforcement. Those cards will never be created. No employer will ever be fined. Never going to happen.

I'm fine with the outline of the legislation as proposed, with one caveat: You can't do the path to legalization, without the other steps implemented and funded first. Not saying that anyone will be smart enough to write the legislation this way, but they should. Just put in some benchmarks for border enforcement, make sure the ID system is up and running, start cracking down on employers, etc. Once all that is in place, then get those who are already here into the system.

mkporter
05-04-2010, 10:23 AM
Maybe next time a president will run on a platform of CHANGE! YES WE CAN!

I'm assuming you are part of the crowd previously saying that he is trying to change too much all at once?

Tombstone RJ
05-04-2010, 10:36 AM
With a black president in office, this would be the time to inact sweeping change in the illegal immigrant situation. You can't say it's racist to make illegals actually work for their citizenship (and kick all the illegal criminals out too) if Obama signs the legislation.

Now if a gringo was in office...

Archer81
05-04-2010, 11:13 AM
With a black president in office, this would be the time to inact sweeping change in the illegal immigrant situation. You can't say it's racist to make illegals actually work for their citizenship (and kick all the illegal criminals out too) if Obama signs the legislation.

Now if a gringo was in office...


Its only racist when Americans do it. Doesnt matter what color the president is. Still racist.



:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
05-04-2010, 11:53 AM
Seven points in the immigration bill
Democrats focus proposal on enforcement, legalization.
Democrats unveiled a 26-page proposal on immigration Thursday evening that closely follows a bipartisan draft hashed out by Sens. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) earlier this year.

Here are the main points:

* Enforce borders: The lawmakers plan to increase the number of border patrol officers and provide them with better equipment to detect fraud and smuggling. They also want to install ground sensors throughout the southern border to make it easier to detect illegal border crossing.

* Free up jails: The proposal calls for the deportation of illegal immigrants currently detained in federal and local prisons. Going forward, judges should minimize detention when possible.

* Verify workers: The Social Security Administration would begin issuing fraud-resistant social security cards that include a unique biometric identifier. Employers would have to verify work authorization using the new biometric system.

* Fine employers: Companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants would face greater fines. Employers would no longer be able to deduct the wages of unverified workers from their tax returns.

* Legalize immigrants: For the 12 million illegal immigrants already living in the United States, the proposal creates a path to citizenship. A person would begin by passing a criminal background check and paying pending fees and taxes. Eight years later, they could apply for legal resident status by demonstrating, among other things, English-language skills.

* Legalize spouses: The lawmakers plan to give legal resident status to what they call "permanent partners" of U.S. citizens. They also plan to address immigration benefits for widows, orphans, and adopted children of U.S. citizens.
* Amend visas: Foreign students who have or seek to attain U.S. degrees could apply for green cards, and foreign workers with visas could attain legal residency. A new provisional visa would be created for low-skilled workers, but employers would be encouraged to hire U.S. citizens before foreigners.

-- Ambreen Ali, Congress.org


More HORSE**** from the peanut gallery. Time to write some HATE MAIL to my reps!

You know whats funny about this (literally...made me laugh)...

I work with the illegal immigrant population in the medical field, and we have found it very difficult to follow records. Some illegals use several names. We have had problems keeping accurate records because people literally use so many names that we cant keep up. We have to tell them to pick one name and to stick with it. No joke.

So the idea of background checks and criminal records checks is silly, because once a person commits a crime and heads to Mexico, they arent coming back with the same name. They'll have to be catalogued biometrically.

TailgateNut
05-04-2010, 01:34 PM
You know whats funny about this (literally...made me laugh)...

I work with the illegal immigrant population in the medical field, and we have found it very difficult to follow records. Some illegals use several names. We have had problems keeping accurate records because people literally use so many names that we cant keep up. We have to tell them to pick one name and to stick with it. No joke.

So the idea of background checks and criminal records checks is silly, because once a person commits a crime and heads to Mexico, they arent coming back with the same name. They'll have to be catalogued biometrically.


New names, new SSN, no valid drivers licence, no car insurance, no medical insurance, claiming 13 dependents to skirt tax laws, free education for their offspring, and then send their income to ****ing mexico.

I don't give a **** who does something about it (R or D or I) he/she gets my vote. It's time to end this open door policy.

RaiderH8r
05-04-2010, 01:49 PM
New names, new SSN, no valid drivers licence, no car insurance, no medical insurance, claiming 13 dependents to skirt tax laws, free education for their offspring, and then send their income to ****ing mexico.

I don't give a **** who does something about it (R or D or I) he/she gets my vote. It's time to end this open door policy.

Vote RaiderH8r for President.

I will also commit 1/3 of all health care spending to ensure Al Davis lives on to reign supreme and continue his commitment to excrement.

ghwk
05-04-2010, 01:49 PM
new names, new ssn, no valid drivers licence, no car insurance, no medical insurance, claiming 13 dependents to skirt tax laws, free education for their offspring, and then send their income to ****ing mexico.

I don't give a **** who does something about it (r or d or i) he/she gets my vote. It's time to end this open door policy.

+1

Dogsweat
05-04-2010, 03:30 PM
New names, new SSN, no valid drivers licence, no car insurance, no medical insurance, claiming 13 dependents to skirt tax laws, free education for their offspring, and then send their income to ****ing mexico.

I don't give a **** who does something about it (R or D or I) he/she gets my vote. It's time to end this open door policy.


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