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That One Guy
04-27-2010, 03:00 PM
Anyone? I'll delete my thread as I'm sure it is. Just trying to find it.

Shoemaker
04-27-2010, 03:03 PM
Not that I've seen.

I think its interesting. I mean, I doubt he'll beat out Harris for the spot, and his physical abilities certainly profile him as a guard in the NFL.

But Harris is certainly an injury risk, and assuming Beadles doesn't look completely terrible in camp, his versatility will definitely be a plus.
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Killericon
04-27-2010, 03:04 PM
I don't think we'll really know what the plan is until training camp. I heard when they drafted him the plan was to move him to C. I think where Seth Olsen fits best is going to be pretty big.

Mr.Meanie
04-27-2010, 03:05 PM
McD addressed this in his post draft Q&A. He said (iirc) Beadles is more of a tackle-guard, Walton is more of a center-guard, and Olsen is more of a guard-center.

That One Guy
04-27-2010, 03:06 PM
I just think Harris is better at RT than our next best guy at G. I presume that would mean Hochstein and Olson at G spots? Eek...

TheReverend
04-27-2010, 03:10 PM
I just think Harris is better at RT than our next best guy at G. I presume that would mean Hochstein and Olson at G spots? Eek...

Beadles absolutely can translate to an NFL guard, man. And that's the plan, I'm sure, but his versatility and experience at tackle is invaluable when you can only activate so many players on gameday and OL who know and can play multiple positions become absolutely indispensable.

The Joker
04-27-2010, 03:12 PM
My guess is that he spends next season as first reserve for pretty much everyone on the O-Line, the exception being the center.

He should be a significant upgrade on Polumbus as the #3 OT, for sure.

Long term, in terms of being a permanent starter it seems he is more suited to playing guard. But his versatility is something I really like about the pick, really hope he is able to put it together and become a solid pro.

That One Guy
04-27-2010, 03:16 PM
Agreed on versatility being an asset but the problem with jack of all trades is you want your Plan A guy to be a master of his. The backups due to short space can be jack of all trades. Seems just last year we were still talking about the awesomeness of Harris and now he could soon be a backup.

And in my infinite stupidity, I completely forgot about Kuper. So it'll be Hochstein and Olson competing for that LG spot, I assume. Sometimes I'm stupid.

TheReverend
04-27-2010, 03:18 PM
Agreed on versatility being an asset but the problem with jack of all trades is you want your Plan A guy to be a master of his. The backups due to short space can be jack of all trades. Seems just last year we were still talking about the awesomeness of Harris and now he could soon be a backup.

And in my infinite stupidity, I completely forgot about Kuper. So it'll be Hochstein and Olson competing for that LG spot, I assume. Sometimes I'm stupid.

If Harris is healthy, than Beadles will be competing with them at LG and Walton, Olsen and Olson will probably be competing for C.

Youth MIGHT be an issue, but we have enough talent on the OL now that it shouldn't be a persistent concern.

Chris
04-27-2010, 03:22 PM
I think he was going to be our C but was always versatile... we took walton with our Gerhart / Hardesty spot to beef up the line more.

PRBronco
04-27-2010, 03:24 PM
Agreed on versatility being an asset but the problem with jack of all trades is you want your Plan A guy to be a master of his. The backups due to short space can be jack of all trades. Seems just last year we were still talking about the awesomeness of Harris and now he could soon be a backup.
And in my infinite stupidity, I completely forgot about Kuper. So it'll be Hochstein and Olson competing for that LG spot, I assume. Sometimes I'm stupid.

As long as he's healthy, there's no chance of that happening. Harris is awesome.

DelBronco
04-27-2010, 03:41 PM
McDaniels: New linemen are versatile

By Lindsay Jones

DOVE VALLEY — The key word Josh McDaniels likes to use when drafting players is “versatile,” especially so when it comes to offensive linemen.

The Broncos drafted three of them in 2010, and each has the ability to play two positions, he said.

Second-round pick Zane Beadles [1] will start his Denver career at tackle, likely competing for playing time at right tackle, where starter Ryan Harris is coming off toe injury that ended his 2009 season by early December. Beadles can also play guard.
Third-round pick J.D. Walton is projected at center, which is the biggest area of need on the Broncos line after the team released veteran Casey Wiegmann in the offseason. Walton can also play guard.

Fifth-round pick Eric Olsen [2] will get his first shot at guard, even though he played center in 2009 at Notre Dame. He was a guard for the first three years of his career.

What all this means is that the offensive line might be the most interesting group to watch through the rest of the spring and through training camp, with competition as just about every spot (save for left tackle, where Ryan Clady has that securely nailed down).





http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/04/24/mcdaniels-new-linemen-are-versatile/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+dp-blogs-broncos+%28Denver+Post:+Sports:+Broncos:+Blog%29


Whatever keeps Polumbus off the field, I'm in favor of.

GoBroncos84
04-27-2010, 03:41 PM
Ultimately the 5 best players are going to start. That is the luxury of drafting 3 guys (Beadles, Walton, Olsen) that are versatile and have played multiple positions. If Harris isn't fully recovered, Beadles could very well start at RT. However, if Harris/Clady/Kuper are all healthy going into the season then the competition will be for the center and LG spots, with the players that lose out on starting playing an important backup role where they could be plugged in to multiple positions.


I'm betting Beadles and Walton win those two starting jobs, then Olsen, Hochstein, and Olsen serve as the backups inside.

crush17
04-27-2010, 03:51 PM
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Taco John
04-27-2010, 03:52 PM
Every scouting report I've read says that Beadles doesn't have enough lateral motion to play tackle at the pro level, but that he'd be a fine guard with some work.

cutthemdown
04-27-2010, 03:57 PM
Hochstein not in the mix to start anymore IMO. He is a bkup who provides depth at most. Hey may not even make the team. Last yr he played mostly out of need not because the team see's him as a starter.

I could be wrong maybe he is in the mix, but with Olson another yr alone, Kuper still here, and 2 new young interior olineman coming aboard seems like he is off man out.

crush17
04-27-2010, 03:59 PM
Hochstien will be depth for sure. Not starter material by any means.

Kaylore
04-27-2010, 04:04 PM
You guys need to listen to the press conferences. He said specifically that he projects as a guard/tackle and will compete at RT immediately.

meangene
04-27-2010, 04:04 PM
Seems pretty clear that S. Olsen and Walton are expected to be new starters as LG and C respectively. I think Beadles is insurance for Harris this year and could eventually replace him if he can not stay healthy - he is bigger than Harris as well. E. Olsen will work at RG behind Kuper and a decision will be made after this season as to who is the future there. I also think E. Olsen is depth at C. Hochstein is probably the top reserve at both guard spots for this year. Anyway, that is how I read it.

ScottXray
04-27-2010, 04:06 PM
You guys need to listen to the press conferences. He said specifically that he projects as a guard/tackle and will compete at RT immediately.

Compete yes, but unless he beats out Harris, will probably be back up at G/T.

Good thing either way.

Kaylore
04-27-2010, 04:06 PM
If any of the rooks can't handle the mental aspect, expect Hochstein to start at center. I'm actually more excited about Walton than Beadles, myself.

HAT
04-27-2010, 04:19 PM
There is some discussion between Kupesdad & others regarding where Beadles fits in the Eric Olsen draft thread (from right after he was picked)

Inkana7
04-27-2010, 04:24 PM
If any of the rooks can't handle the mental aspect, expect Hochstein to start at center. I'm actually more excited about Walton than Beadles, myself.
Me too. I don't think I've read a bad thing about the guy. He's going to be our Center for the next 10 years, IMO.

WABronco
04-27-2010, 04:38 PM
I'd be shocked if he beat out Harris. Either way versatility is very appealing when you think about it in terms of fitting guys onto a 53 man roster.

PRBronco
04-27-2010, 04:47 PM
Me too. I don't think I've read a bad thing about the guy. He's going to be our Center for the next 10 years, IMO.

The only negative (and worrisome) thing I've read about him is that he gets walked back. Kupesdad was talking about it, and I saw it in a couple magazines too. I figure no one can get walked back worse than Hamilton did last year though, he was just getting buried.

meangene
04-27-2010, 04:54 PM
The only negative (and worrisome) thing I've read about him is that he gets walked back. Kupesdad was talking about it, and I saw it in a couple magazines too. I figure no one can get walked back worse than Hamilton did last year though, he was just getting buried.

Getting walked back would have been an improvement for Hamilton. It was a jailbreak! Walton is a good 20 lbs. bigger - he is strong enough - just needs a little technique work.

PRBronco
04-27-2010, 04:57 PM
Getting walked back would have been an improvement for Hamilton. It was a jailbreak! Walton is a good 20 lbs. bigger - he is strong enough - just needs a little technique work.

The best thing I read about him was one magazine that called him "the most technically sound blocker in the draft". I loved that :D Maybe he just needs to visit Terrence Cody's house for some of his mom's sweet potato pie, which apparently makes you gain over a pound a day.

DenverBrit
04-27-2010, 04:58 PM
Every scouting report I've read says that Beadles doesn't have enough lateral motion to play tackle at the pro level, but that he'd be a fine guard with some work.

That and his short arms. He wasn't projected to play T in the NFL.

Beadles seems a curious pick if he's being groomed for Tackle.

That One Guy
04-27-2010, 06:15 PM
That and his short arms. He wasn't projected to play T in the NFL.

Beadles seems a curious pick if he's being groomed for Tackle.

My thoughts as well.

Jason7730
04-27-2010, 06:42 PM
With all of the talk of Beadles short arms, I find it interesting that his arms are 1/2" longer than Bulaga's and only 1/2" shorter than Trent Williams.

Mogulseeker
04-27-2010, 06:45 PM
His skill set is better for a G than a T in the NFL. Especially with a left-handed QBOF.

Kaylore
04-27-2010, 06:57 PM
His skill set is better for a G than a T in the NFL. Especially with a left-handed QBOF.

This is what it boils down to. He's like a Brandon Albert where he could play tackle (Right, if he has to) but he's an elite prospect at guard.

orinjkrush
04-27-2010, 06:58 PM
practicing against jamal williams won't hurt either

meangene
04-27-2010, 07:18 PM
The best thing I read about him was one magazine that called him "the most technically sound blocker in the draft". I loved that :D Maybe he just needs to visit Terrence Cody's house for some of his mom's sweet potato pie, which apparently makes you gain over a pound a day.

And, he is supposed to have a mean streak - that's what I like.

meangene
04-27-2010, 07:21 PM
The best thing I read about him was one magazine that called him "the most technically sound blocker in the draft". I loved that :D Maybe he just needs to visit Terrence Cody's house for some of his mom's sweet potato pie, which apparently makes you gain over a pound a day.

Cody and Ngata next to each other is ridiculous! 700 lbs. on a light day! No running inside on the Ravens!

gyldenlove
04-27-2010, 07:26 PM
I would be worried about having a traditional RT for the future as Tebow is a lefty and thus will have his blindside on the right which would be dangerous if you don't have a superior pass blocker with good quickness who can mirror pass rushers. On the other hand Clady would be allowed to drive block more and hopefully be cut lose to bury people deep in the milehigh turf.

FADERPROOF
04-27-2010, 07:29 PM
"I dont need to stick my P in a V, I need to B my L on some T's"

-Forgetting Sarah Marshall

bloodsunday
04-27-2010, 07:35 PM
He's played tackle and guard. The fact that he's played both makes him valuable since most teams only keep about 8 OL.

Kaylore
04-27-2010, 09:32 PM
He's played tackle and guard. The fact that he's played both makes him valuable since most teams only keep about 8 OL.

That's a trend you're seeing. Teams want their linemen versatile so they can play with them like legos.

Ziggy
04-27-2010, 09:50 PM
Hochstien should stick with his versatility. Not only can he back up center and both guard spots, but he play some FB last season before he was moved to LG.

That One Guy
04-27-2010, 10:45 PM
Cody and Ngata next to each other is ridiculous! 700 lbs. on a light day! No running inside on the Ravens!

On a light day is the key words. I wouldn't be surprised if they occasionally get closer to the 400lbs each mark. I made the same comment on draft day when he was picked. What a duo.

Drek
04-28-2010, 04:22 AM
Beadles will compete at OT, with Tyler Polumbus. Who now probably doesn't have a job if it can be helped at all.

Long term though he'll be a guard. The best hope Polumbus has to keep his job is Beadles winning the LG spot outright in camp/pre-season and the gap between Harris/Polumbus being equal to or less than the gap between Beadles and his replacement. Doesn't seem likely to me.

I think Eric Olsen was drafted to take Rus Hochstein's job. Hochstein is coming off a pretty bad knee injury and isn't a sure thing to be 100%. If not (or even if he is and just gets outplayed) he'll get cut in favor of Olsen.

Seth Olsen obviously should have the inside track at LG, what with having a year in the offense already. I'd expect JD Walton to be the best shot for center as well, but you never know. Should be an interesting camp along the OL to say the least.

Dedhed
04-28-2010, 05:51 AM
I think the ideal would be for Beadles to play somewhere inside, but I don't think the FO is sold on Harris's ability to stay healthy. Beadles has the ability to kick out and man the right side and I think he'll be better than Polumbus in that role.

I think the best line in the future would be: Clady, Beadles, Walton, Kuper, Harris

If Harris stays healthy, I see a serious battle at LG between Beadles, Olsen, and Olson.

Requiem
04-28-2010, 09:14 AM
When Beadles was originally selected I wasn't sure what to think about the future of our line. I first questioned how long Ryan Harris would be in the plans all things considered. Getting Beadles makes sense, Harris might struggle with his injuries (and as much as I like him, has been injured for about 1.5 years of the three he has been here) and not be able to perform. I may be wrong, but isn't he a FA at the end of the year?

Either way, we have the potential for an extremely awesome OL for a long time.

Clady, Harris, Kuper, Walton, Olsen, Olsen and Beadles is such a terrific young corps.

I like what McDaniels did in this draft and the past. A lot of the things for the future have already been put in place. Offensive Line this year. Wide Receivers as well. Not to mention potential in the secondary from this years draft an last -- as well as adding a QB, RB and some other nice things too.

Can't wait for the future. It is now.

:broncos:

Ray Finkle
04-28-2010, 09:32 AM
Other than Mr. Kuper (who I trust knows a thing or two about OL) is there an OLine expert here that can give their take instead of quoting from a scouting report?

Rohirrim
04-28-2010, 09:44 AM
I watched some film of Beadles. Here's what I like. There were a few plays where the play ended, the refs were elsewhere, and the guy Beadles was up against would relax, so Zane knocked him down. Ha! I love that in an Olineman.

orinjkrush
04-29-2010, 06:51 PM
i said this before in jest, but now i'm starting to believe it: draft all OTs and make em OGs and OCs. Bigger can be better.