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epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2010, 02:35 PM
For all appearances, these folks look like a solid family. Tim's parents are well educated and have been long-time missionaries to the Philippines. Tim was born there.

They opened an orphanage in Lamsugod, Surallah, South Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines with help from a neighbor, who left the Tebows money for their missions organization when he passed on.

For those of you who are not familiar with missionaries, generally whats going on here is that these people feel a puropse in their lives to go to places where people dont have churches, and the missionary will give up their former life to serve that community in a way that shows them the character of Jesus. They usually plug into the community and start building relationships. When a certain level of trust is reached with the people, the people usually begin to get interested in Jesus. Its a service that requires great, trustworthy people who are able to maintain relationships with people of all social strata, and through their actions are able to convince those people that their work is for the edification of their peoples and cultures....so they get adopted in a sense by the culture they serve.

Churches in their purest form aren't buildings that are built...they are relationships. They arent walls, mortar, framing, etc. They are mentors, friends, etc. This is what the Tebows have to be good at...they have to build relationships with their community members...not just business relationships, but personal lasting relationships.

This is Tim's background, and this rearing has placed in Tim a sense of commitment to his people. This is why Tim cried at the press conference when he told Florida Gators fans that he let them down.

Tebow family ministry site: http://www.btea.org/index.asp

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Tebow is a different kind of athlete. Be proud to have this young man on your team...especially if you have young Broncos fans around. If Tim is able to have a successful career, he will have inspired kids all over the country to be better, humble, committed, and sincere. In the place of selfishness, greed, and immorality, you will have another example similar to what Barry Sanders left. Most of all, he will have been able to show young kids what it looks like to give maximum effort while serving the Lord.

Dagmar
04-25-2010, 02:39 PM
Oh for Tebow's sake.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/Jesus_facepalm.jpg

Bronco Boy
04-25-2010, 02:44 PM
Cult or no cult, I still like him.

Circle Orange
04-25-2010, 03:08 PM
Someone posted a legit question on a blog, and basically it was this: If Tim's family is so well off, why didn't he go to a school that would better hone his qb skills since he wanted to play qb all along? Was it just the glamor of being a florida qb that made him change his mind? Curious minds want to know.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2010, 03:09 PM
Someone posted a legit question on a blog, and basically it was this: If Tim's family is so well off, why didn't he go to a school that would better hone his qb skills since he wanted to play qb all along? Was it just the glamor of being a florida qb that made him change his mind? Curious minds want to know.

Just speculating, but I would think that it had to do with being close to home and still having a top-notch football opportunity.

SureShot
04-25-2010, 03:12 PM
Someone posted a legit question on a blog, and basically it was this: If Tim's family is so well off, why didn't he go to a school that would better hone his qb skills since he wanted to play qb all along? Was it just the glamor of being a florida qb that made him change his mind? Curious minds want to know.

I believe Urban Meyer had his QB at Utah drafted first overall...not too bad. Also UF is close to home.

Drek
04-25-2010, 03:12 PM
Someone posted a legit question on a blog, and basically it was this: If Tim's family is so well off, why didn't he go to a school that would better hone his qb skills since he wanted to play qb all along? Was it just the glamor of being a florida qb that made him change his mind? Curious minds want to know.

He actually strongly considered Michigan, but he's been a Gators fan his whole life.

Kid A
04-25-2010, 03:14 PM
Someone posted a legit question on a blog, and basically it was this: If Tim's family is so well off, why didn't he go to a school that would better hone his qb skills since he wanted to play qb all along? Was it just the glamor of being a florida qb that made him change his mind? Curious minds want to know.

Urban Meyer coached #1 draft pick Alex Smith. Tebow's dad went to Florida. Florida is in the top football conference in the nation. Not sure what place would have looked better, except maybe a USC or something.

Sure they didn't neccesarily help his throwing mechanics much, but they sure gave him a chance to shine.

Kaylore
04-25-2010, 03:52 PM
Urban Meyer coached #1 draft pick Alex Smith. Tebow's dad went to Florida. Florida is in the top football conference in the nation. Not sure what place would have looked better, except maybe a USC or something.

Sure they didn't neccesarily help his throwing mechanics much, but they sure gave him a chance to shine.

This.

bpc
04-25-2010, 03:58 PM
I think both of his parents went to UF. Urban was new in town and he recruited Tebow the best. His skills perfectly fit the spread offense even though he's the most prolific prep passer in FLA history.

Shoot, I hope my kid plays QB at UF. Top notch school, top notch athletic program in the best football conference in the country. Pretty awesome deal. Tim's parents must be proud.

ro_50
04-25-2010, 03:59 PM
Tebow almost went to Alabama,which finished a close second to his services. Mike Shula, the coach at the time, ran a pro-style offense.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-25-2010, 07:27 PM
For all appearances, these folks look like a bunch of snake handling nutjobs who have the potential to embarrass the Broncos organization and the State of Colorado.

Fixed.

SoCalBronco
04-25-2010, 07:30 PM
I'm very happy to see Tim and his family become part of the Bronco family.

:thumbsup:

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2010, 08:38 PM
Fixed.

Sorry man, but if you believe that people who build orphanages are nothing but "snake handling nutjobs" then the subtleties are lost on you in a major way.

MaloCS
04-25-2010, 08:58 PM
I'm very happy to see Tim and his family become part of the Bronco family.

:thumbsup:

Same here. I find it a breath of fresh air.

peacepipe
04-25-2010, 09:19 PM
I believe Urban Meyer had his QB at Utah drafted first overall...not too bad. Also UF is close to home.BTW,How is Alex Smith doing?

BroncoBuff
04-25-2010, 09:38 PM
For all appearances, these folks look like a solid family. Tim's parents are well educated and have been long-time missionaries to the Philippines. Tim was born there.

Well that cuts it ... he'll never be president of the United States then.

sisterhellfyre
04-25-2010, 10:00 PM
For all appearances, these folks look like a solid family. Tim's parents are well educated and have been long-time missionaries to the Philippines. Tim was born there.

Interesting. Does Tim have dual citizenship then?

SureShot
04-25-2010, 10:44 PM
BTW,How is Alex Smith doing?

This is relevant how?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-25-2010, 10:54 PM
Well that cuts it ... he'll never be president of the United States then.

Ha!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-25-2010, 10:56 PM
Sorry man, but if you believe that people who build orphanages are nothing but "snake handling nutjobs" then the subtleties are lost on you in a major way.

I'm sure some of those Catholic priests with the "honk if you love Mark Foley" stickers on the inside of their confessionals have done good works as well, so that argument doesn't really do much for you.

spdirty
04-25-2010, 11:13 PM
Fixed.

Im gonna love it when this guy tears the league up and praises God and the mother that didnt abort him every time a mic is in his face. Careful, this guy might make your head explode.ROFL!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-26-2010, 01:20 AM
Im gonna love it when this guy tears the league up and praises God and the mother that didnt abort him every time a mic is in his face. Careful, this guy might make your head explode.ROFL!

If he tears up the league and saves the proselytism for his private life then no one will be more pleased than I. :thumbs:

Rohirrim
04-26-2010, 01:33 AM
I don't see why everybody is making so much fuss over our new H-back.





I keed. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2010, 12:03 PM
If he tears up the league and saves the proselytism for his private life then no one will be more pleased than I.

Yeah, its just terrible that he would be so passionate about helping people improve their lives. Ha!

Its going to be a rough go for you as a Broncos fan while Tebow is in town.

mizzoutigers
04-26-2010, 12:10 PM
what would you rather have a bunch of thugs with chains and gold grills running around jumping off the walls speaking broken english, each with about 4 kids of which they claim none. i think i'd rather have a kid and family like this as part of our organization. just a little bit of a difference

colonelbeef
04-26-2010, 12:35 PM
Who the hell cares? I couldn't give two ****s about his family and how much they love to hump Jesus. I want a good football team, what kind of people they are off of the field is immaterial so long as they do not break the law.

Lets go Denver Boyscouts

Rohirrim
04-26-2010, 12:37 PM
I've never seen the Drama Llama so giddy with excitement.

colonelbeef
04-26-2010, 12:38 PM
what would you rather have a bunch of thugs with chains and gold grills running around jumping off the walls speaking broken english, each with about 4 kids of which they claim none. i think i'd rather have a kid and family like this as part of our organization. just a little bit of a difference

which player is better at playing football?

ghwk
04-26-2010, 12:55 PM
Yeah, its just terrible that he would be so passionate about helping people improve their lives. Ha!

Its going to be a rough go for you as a Broncos fan while Tebow is in town.

I think the flaw in your thinking is that others don;'t necessarily think their lives need improving. Including those cultures who receive the uninvited "help" of the missionary.

Spider
04-26-2010, 12:59 PM
I've never seen the Drama Llama so giddy with excitement.

well there was that dobson centerfold shot in boys life mag :D

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2010, 01:00 PM
I think the flaw in your thinking is that others don;'t necessarily think their lives need improving. Including those cultures who receive the uninvited "help" of the missionary.

Well, when you devote your summers to building and maintaining an orphanage, let us know what you have to offer.

Spider
04-26-2010, 01:01 PM
which player is better at playing football?

you are looking at this all wrong .........Doesnt matter if we lose now , we will lose with god on our side ........ thats means more then winning with godless heathens ......:D

Que
04-26-2010, 01:15 PM
All I am going to say about Tebow's faith:

Look, I am a pretty hardcore atheist. I don't wear it on my shirt like people of faith do because well, you don't go around proclaiming un-belief as a motivator for you actions. I think people of faith are wrong (fundamentally speaking) but I don't think it is my job, duty or obligation to correct them. Conversely, I understand and accept why people of faith feel it is their obligation to correct me (though I don't need correcting because I am right ;) ) because in their belief system they think my soul is at risk for eternal damnation and well, I can't fault them for trying to save me (though I don't need to be saved). I think that the abuse of organized religion is the single most important factor in the acts of evil we see in the world and our history. I think the world would be better if everyone thought I like did. So, now you know where I stand right? What I wrote above is enough to make any person of faith's blood pressure jump a good 10%.

THAT BEING SAID: Anyone criticizing Tim Tebow or the Tebow family's faith should STFU right the hell now. Of all the (wrong) people in this world, the Tebow family and Tim Tebow appear to me to be stellar humans and are truly walking the walk. They're not hypocritical "Sunday only" Baptists. They're not the "say praise Jesus" a lot and wear tons of bling (Deon Sanders). Though I think their motivations are misguided, they are truly doing good in the world and are setting a standard of adherence to a moral code or belief system that we should all try to meet. They truly are walking the walk and that is something that 99% of the rest of us aren't able to say - regardless of your belief system. I didn't go to a third world nation to help sick and impoverished kids on my Spring Break. I went to Florida, got drunk and partied. Whatever their motivation is, they're doing a lot of good in the world and shame on anyone who would besmirch them for it.

That is all.

MaloCS
04-26-2010, 01:48 PM
All I am going to say about Tebow's faith:

Look, I am a pretty hardcore atheist. I don't wear it on my shirt like people of faith do because well, you don't go around proclaiming un-belief as a motivator for you actions. I think people of faith are wrong (fundamentally speaking) but I don't think it is my job, duty or obligation to correct them. Conversely, I understand and accept why people of faith feel it is their obligation to correct me (though I don't need correcting because I am right ;) ) because in their belief system they think my soul is at risk for eternal damnation and well, I can't fault them for trying to save me (though I don't need to be saved). I think that the abuse of organized religion is the single most important factor in the acts of evil we see in the world and our history. I think the world would be better if everyone thought I like did. So, now you know where I stand right? What I wrote above is enough to make any person of faith's blood pressure jump a good 10%.

THAT BEING SAID: Anyone criticizing Tim Tebow or the Tebow family's faith should STFU right the hell now. Of all the (wrong) people in this world, the Tebow family and Tim Tebow appear to me to be stellar humans and are truly walking the walk. They're not hypocritical "Sunday only" Baptists. They're not the "say praise Jesus" a lot and wear tons of bling (Deon Sanders). Though I think their motivations are misguided, they are truly doing good in the world and are setting a standard of adherence to a moral code or belief system that we should all try to meet. They truly are walking the walk and that is something that 99% of the rest of us aren't able to say - regardless of your belief system. I didn't go to a third world nation to help sick and impoverished kids on my Spring Break. I went to Florida, got drunk and partied. Whatever their motivation is, they're doing a lot of good in the world and shame on anyone who would besmirch them for it.

That is all.

Good post even though I believe you are practicing a religion. Your religion just happens to be "no religion". It takes as much faith to believe there ISN'T a god as it does to believe there IS a god. Your religion is just different then Tebow's.

Pontius Pirate
04-26-2010, 01:51 PM
We should sign Tebow's family as UFA's. They probably all have just as good a chance to make it as an NFL QB

Pontius Pirate
04-26-2010, 01:54 PM
All I am going to say about Tebow's faith:

Look, I am a pretty hardcore atheist.

That is all.

How does one become a "hardcore atheist" ?

Like, do you grit your teeth and think really deep thoughts all day about how their is no God?

I would imagine being a hardcore atheist would take pretty steadfast beliefs....almost like a sort of....faith?

OABB
04-26-2010, 01:57 PM
How does one become a "hardcore atheist" ?

Like, do you grit your teeth and think really deep thoughts all day about how their is no God?

I would imagine being a hardcore atheist would take pretty steadfast beliefs....almost like a sort of....faith?

Probably the same way one becomes a hardcore douchebag. So you tell me.

Rohirrim
04-26-2010, 01:58 PM
I'm trying to figure out why I should care about Tebow's family? How about Demaryius' family? Beadle's? Walton's? I guess Tebow and his family are special, for some reason? Why?

So, if you don't like the Tebow pick it's because of his religion and you're a hater, but if you are absolutely giddy about the pick, it's fine to bring up his religion and praise him and his family? Okee dokee. No double standard there.

BroncoSojia
04-26-2010, 01:58 PM
All I am going to say about Tebow's faith:

Look, I am a pretty hardcore atheist. I don't wear it on my shirt like people of faith do because well, you don't go around proclaiming un-belief as a motivator for you actions. I think people of faith are wrong (fundamentally speaking) but I don't think it is my job, duty or obligation to correct them. Conversely, I understand and accept why people of faith feel it is their obligation to correct me (though I don't need correcting because I am right ;) ) because in their belief system they think my soul is at risk for eternal damnation and well, I can't fault them for trying to save me (though I don't need to be saved). I think that the abuse of organized religion is the single most important factor in the acts of evil we see in the world and our history. I think the world would be better if everyone thought I like did. So, now you know where I stand right? What I wrote above is enough to make any person of faith's blood pressure jump a good 10%.

THAT BEING SAID: Anyone criticizing Tim Tebow or the Tebow family's faith should STFU right the hell now. Of all the (wrong) people in this world, the Tebow family and Tim Tebow appear to me to be stellar humans and are truly walking the walk. They're not hypocritical "Sunday only" Baptists. They're not the "say praise Jesus" a lot and wear tons of bling (Deon Sanders). Though I think their motivations are misguided, they are truly doing good in the world and are setting a standard of adherence to a moral code or belief system that we should all try to meet. They truly are walking the walk and that is something that 99% of the rest of us aren't able to say - regardless of your belief system. I didn't go to a third world nation to help sick and impoverished kids on my Spring Break. I went to Florida, got drunk and partied. Whatever their motivation is, they're doing a lot of good in the world and shame on anyone who would besmirch them for it.

That is all.

amen.

DivineBronco
04-26-2010, 02:00 PM
Good post even though I believe you are practicing a religion. Your religion just happens to be "no religion". It takes as much faith to believe there ISN'T a god as it does to believe there IS a god. Your religion is just different then Tebow's.

yes I know saying this will make this spiral out of control quickly but it takes no faith to look around observe, see no magic and choose not to believe in witchcraft

Chris
04-26-2010, 02:00 PM
Christianity has done and continues to do a lot of good for a lot of people. It can also be a pretty controlling force (see the middle ages, see child abuse, see the vatican library). Certainly in Tim's case this is a very positive thing.

DomCasual
04-26-2010, 02:02 PM
I'm sure some of those Catholic priests with the "honk if you love Mark Foley" stickers on the inside of their confessionals have done good works as well, so that argument doesn't really do much for you.

So, you're saying that because a few religious people made bad decisions, it must mean that all religious people make the same bad decisions? Interesting.

OABB
04-26-2010, 02:04 PM
All religions have their good and bad qualities. it's useless to argue about, as a wiser man wouldn't become entangled in such a sad and divisive conversation. Unless you are talking about Mormons, that **** is weird.

Pontius Pirate
04-26-2010, 02:04 PM
Probably the same way one becomes a hardcore douchebag. So you tell me.

I guess it all started back when I left your mother.

DomCasual
04-26-2010, 02:05 PM
All religions have their good and bad qualities. it's useless to argue about, as a wiser man wouldn't become entangled in such a sad and divisive conversation. Unless you are talking about Mormons, that **** is weird.

How about I kick you in the nuts, blasphemer? :nutkick

Pontius Pirate
04-26-2010, 02:06 PM
yes I know saying this will make this spiral out of control quickly but it takes no faith to look around observe, see no magic and choose not to believe in witchcraft


Yep, there is no way the universe began except for science....which, of course, came from nowhere. Makes sense.

OABB
04-26-2010, 02:10 PM
I guess it all started back when I left your mother.

......unsatisfied.

I know she told me all about it. What's the thing with diapers man? that's just weird. and she certainly wasn't in to the strap-on as much as you were. But than again, she was doing all the work.

she also told me to tell you that 6 minutes is not considered "great stamina." either.

Chris
04-26-2010, 02:20 PM
How about I kick you in the nuts, blasphemer? :nutkick

Mormonism is interesting. Extremely unusual but interesting. I'm assuming you're mormon?

PBS recently did a show on mormonism. To me the most interesting thing was the extremely hot daughter they interviewed that eventually went on to marry a pizza faced fugly dude. Is this normal? If so, where do I sign up? Not that I'm pizza faced.

Are all mormons virgins until married? That seems unhealthy.

DomCasual
04-26-2010, 02:22 PM
Mormonism is interesting. Extremely unusual but interesting. I'm assuming you're mormon?

PBS recently did a show on mormonism. To me the most interesting thing was the extremely hot daughter they interviewed that eventually went on to marry a pizza faced fugly dude. Is this normal? If so, where do I sign up? Not that I'm pizza faced.

Are all mormons virgins until married? That seems unhealthy.

All hot Mormon girls marry pizza-faced girls. It's just how it works.

Pontius Pirate
04-26-2010, 02:27 PM
......unsatisfied.

I know she told me all about it. What's the thing with diapers man? that's just weird. and she certainly wasn't in to the strap-on as much as you were. But than again, she was doing all the work.

she also told me to tell you that 6 minutes is not considered "great stamina." either.


Yes, son, we used to get a bit freaky. She liked to be pooped on and all sorts of weird things (diapers, strap-ons, you name it). We never had the funds for a proper abortion, and the punch to the gut didn't work (obviously), and now here you are. I'm so proud of you!

BTW - 6 minutes was probably a bit of a stretch. I really couldn't stand being on top of her for more than 3 minutes or so (her stench - yikes). I'd usually just pull out and skeet skeet all over her face, which she liked of course.

By the way, how is her job at the circus going?

OABB
04-26-2010, 02:28 PM
I guess it all started back when I left your mother.

also, taco, Why is this not ban-able but my joke about beheading a fictional character is?

just curious.

OABB
04-26-2010, 02:31 PM
Yes, son, we used to get a bit freaky. She liked to be pooped on and all sorts of weird things (diapers, strap-ons, you name it). We never had the funds for a proper abortion, and the punch to the gut didn't work (obviously), and now here you are. I'm so proud of you!

BTW - 6 minutes was probably a bit of a stretch. I really couldn't stand being on top of her for more than 3 minutes or so (her stench - yikes). I'd usually just pull out and skeet skeet all over her face, which she liked of course.

By the way, how is her job at the circus going?

it's good, thanks for asking. She got into the pooping thing with you she tells me. She used to find it disgusting and de-humanizing, but after the strapons, diapers and you're tebow thread, she figured being pooped on would be a step up.

also, the circus pays very well. you can check her out in the "women who ****ed pontius pirate" exhibit. It's very popular, mostly for it's rarity.

ghwk
04-26-2010, 02:50 PM
Well, when you devote your summers to building and maintaining an orphanage, let us know what you have to offer.

Don't get your knickers in a twist boy. Spending summers building housing for orpahanages is admirable. So are all other acts of kindness and generosity, especially when there is no price tag attached. That's my problem with the missionary thing. You get our help if you believe in our religion. And oh by the way because you don't HAVE our religion then you need our help or you will be damned.

I just don't agree with the whole premise of needing to convert others that's all.

Here's one for you. Go live with Australian aboriginals, like I did, who had lived quite well for 10,000 years (with apologies to any creationist fundmentalist that these foilks were living 2000 years before the earth was created) following the earths cycles and seasons with no knowledge of jesus or any other concept of god other than thier own. Their existance was more spiritual than any religious person I've met in the last 20 years.

Do I have anything against anyone that proclaims an attachment to their religious beliefs? Yes but only when they decide someone elses isnt good enough. Other than that I have no beefs with what anyone wants to believe and practice.

Go build more orphanages, it is honorable work but you can also do it not in the name of god but because it is noble in and of itself.

Pontius Pirate
04-26-2010, 02:59 PM
also, taco, Why is this not ban-able but my joke about beheading a fictional character is?

just curious.


Hey, I thought we were in the trust tree. Why so serious?

Pontius Pirate
04-26-2010, 03:00 PM
it's good, thanks for asking. She got into the pooping thing with you she tells me. She used to find it disgusting and de-humanizing, but after the strapons, diapers and you're tebow thread, she figured being pooped on would be a step up.

also, the circus pays very well. you can check her out in the "women who ****ed pontius pirate" exhibit. It's very popular, mostly for it's rarity.

Meh

OABB
04-26-2010, 03:25 PM
Hey, I thought we were in the trust tree. Why so serious?

I'm having fun.... Just mad that I got banned for breaking no rule and used your post as an example. I personaly think attacking family members is funny. I never get upset about anything said in a forum. I do however get mad when my orangemane priveledges are revoked in a manner that I think is unfair.

Dogsweat
04-26-2010, 04:48 PM
Don't get your knickers in a twist boy. Spending summers building housing for orpahanages is admirable. So are all other acts of kindness and generosity, especially when there is no price tag attached. That's my problem with the missionary thing. You get our help if you believe in our religion. And oh by the way because you don't HAVE our religion then you need our help or you will be damned.

I just don't agree with the whole premise of needing to convert others that's all.

Here's one for you. Go live with Australian aboriginals, like I did, who had lived quite well for 10,000 years (with apologies to any creationist fundmentalist that these foilks were living 2000 years before the earth was created) following the earths cycles and seasons with no knowledge of jesus or any other concept of god other than thier own. Their existance was more spiritual than any religious person I've met in the last 20 years.

Do I have anything against anyone that proclaims an attachment to their religious beliefs? Yes but only when they decide someone elses isnt good enough. Other than that I have no beefs with what anyone wants to believe and practice.

Go build more orphanages, it is honorable work but you can also do it not in the name of god but because it is noble in and of itself.


This is a great post.

Stay away from Religion and Religious people if you want to know who God really is.

http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/nicejesus.htm

Bob's your Information Minister
04-26-2010, 04:51 PM
Tebow is the antichrist I've been waiting for.

My hate will run deep and strong for him.

My only regret is that it will be over so soon.

Circle Orange
04-26-2010, 06:30 PM
what would you rather have a bunch of thugs with chains and gold grills running around jumping off the walls speaking broken english, each with about 4 kids of which they claim none. i think i'd rather have a kid and family like this as part of our organization. just a little bit of a difference

Who on earth is still into that crap? It's so...2009. http://scosoft.com/s/o/16eb2793.gif


And the concept is so....1609. http://scosoft.com/s/d/ebad21f.gif

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2010, 07:11 PM
Don't get your knickers in a twist boy. Spending summers building housing for orpahanages is admirable. So are all other acts of kindness and generosity, especially when there is no price tag attached. That's my problem with the missionary thing. You get our help if you believe in our religion. And oh by the way because you don't HAVE our religion then you need our help or you will be damned.

I just don't agree with the whole premise of needing to convert others that's all.

Here's one for you. Go live with Australian aboriginals, like I did, who had lived quite well for 10,000 years (with apologies to any creationist fundmentalist that these foilks were living 2000 years before the earth was created) following the earths cycles and seasons with no knowledge of jesus or any other concept of god other than thier own. Their existance was more spiritual than any religious person I've met in the last 20 years.

Do I have anything against anyone that proclaims an attachment to their religious beliefs? Yes but only when they decide someone elses isnt good enough. Other than that I have no beefs with what anyone wants to believe and practice.

Go build more orphanages, it is honorable work but you can also do it not in the name of god but because it is noble in and of itself.

You made a statement that I proved to be false.

You said: "I think the flaw in your thinking is that others don;'t necessarily think their lives need improving. Including those cultures who receive the uninvited "help" of the missionary."

To which I responded with the "orphanage" statement.

So you think that its okay that children die? You think that those people want their children to die when a better option is available?

The Tebows saw a need in that community and they filled it. There was nobody to take care of unwanted children. The Tebows used their resources to make an orphanage happen where nobody else previously did. These types of things are usually the case with missionaries. They build and operate schools, hospitals, clinics, food distribution organizations, etc. They build wells where no water is available. They teach money management and business classes to adults. They teach agricultural competence. Land management. Music. You name it. When people complain that the US does not do enough to help the suffering people groups around the world, they are ignoring the great myriad of things that American missionaries are helping with just about everywhere in the world.

As for the "help with strings attached" fallacy that you alluded to...thats just not the way it is at all. The Tebows arent only taking christian children into that orphanage. Medical missions dont only see christians. Business classes arent only taught to christians. So on and so forth. It is not a requirement that one be a christian to take part in the aid that missionaries bring. Will they teach bible classes where they are at? Well, obviously. Do you have to go? No.

ghwk
04-26-2010, 08:13 PM
You made a statement that I proved to be false.

You said: "I think the flaw in your thinking is that others don;'t necessarily think their lives need improving. Including those cultures who receive the uninvited "help" of the missionary."

To which I responded with the "orphanage" statement.

So you think that its okay that children die? You think that those people want their children to die when a better option is available?

The Tebows saw a need in that community and they filled it. There was nobody to take care of unwanted children. The Tebows used their resources to make an orphanage happen where nobody else previously did. These types of things are usually the case with missionaries. They build and operate schools, hospitals, clinics, food distribution organizations, etc. They build wells where no water is available. They teach money management and business classes to adults. They teach agricultural competence. Land management. Music. You name it. When people complain that the US does not do enough to help the suffering people groups around the world, they are ignoring the great myriad of things that American missionaries are helping with just about everywhere in the world.

As for the "help with strings attached" fallacy that you alluded to...thats just not the way it is at all. The Tebows arent only taking christian children into that orphanage. Medical missions dont only see christians. Business classes arent only taught to christians. So on and so forth. It is not a requirement that one be a christian to take part in the aid that missionaries bring. Will they teach bible classes where they are at? Well, obviously. Do you have to go? No.

Skillet you are seriously whacked. You didn't disprove anything, you just do what you do: ignore what other people write, create strawmen and make statements where no logical bridge from what was written can be made to what you put forth as a conclusion. After reading a lot of your posts I just can't tell if you are truly intellectually dishonest or are really, through no fault of your own, unable to actually follow any line of thought outside of your own point of view. Your approach seems to be if you can't rebut with facts that you actually know you will attack with innuendo to deflect from the weakness in your argument.

Missionaries go to help but they also go to convert. Missionaries do not go to just help and not convert. That is what I said. Go ahead and twist it some more, it is what you do and all you are known for doing here.

Steve Sewell
04-26-2010, 08:39 PM
All I am going to say about Tebow's faith:

Look, I am a pretty hardcore atheist. I don't wear it on my shirt like people of faith do because well, you don't go around proclaiming un-belief as a motivator for you actions. I think people of faith are wrong (fundamentally speaking) but I don't think it is my job, duty or obligation to correct them. Conversely, I understand and accept why people of faith feel it is their obligation to correct me (though I don't need correcting because I am right ;) ) because in their belief system they think my soul is at risk for eternal damnation and well, I can't fault them for trying to save me (though I don't need to be saved). I think that the abuse of organized religion is the single most important factor in the acts of evil we see in the world and our history. I think the world would be better if everyone thought I like did. So, now you know where I stand right? What I wrote above is enough to make any person of faith's blood pressure jump a good 10%.

THAT BEING SAID: Anyone criticizing Tim Tebow or the Tebow family's faith should STFU right the hell now. Of all the (wrong) people in this world, the Tebow family and Tim Tebow appear to me to be stellar humans and are truly walking the walk. They're not hypocritical "Sunday only" Baptists. They're not the "say praise Jesus" a lot and wear tons of bling (Deon Sanders). Though I think their motivations are misguided, they are truly doing good in the world and are setting a standard of adherence to a moral code or belief system that we should all try to meet. They truly are walking the walk and that is something that 99% of the rest of us aren't able to say - regardless of your belief system. I didn't go to a third world nation to help sick and impoverished kids on my Spring Break. I went to Florida, got drunk and partied. Whatever their motivation is, they're doing a lot of good in the world and shame on anyone who would besmirch them for it.

That is all.

Great post. I disagree with you on the "religion is evil" thing through! lol

I am a religious, but I don't push anything on anyone. I believe that if religion somehow gives you the strength to be a good person, then it has served its purpose. This appears to be the case with Tebow and his family. Everyone has a "belief system" of some sort, including atheists. As long as it helps them to be a better human being, I am all for it!

DBruleU
04-26-2010, 09:39 PM
Skillet you are seriously whacked. You didn't disprove anything, you just do what you do: ignore what other people write, create strawmen and make statements where no logical bridge from what was written can be made to what you put forth as a conclusion. After reading a lot of your posts I just can't tell if you are truly intellectually dishonest or are really, through no fault of your own, unable to actually follow any line of thought outside of your own point of view. Your approach seems to be if you can't rebut with facts that you actually know you will attack with innuendo to deflect from the weakness in your argument.

Missionaries go to help but they also go to convert. Missionaries do not go to just help and not convert. That is what I said. Go ahead and twist it some more, it is what you do and all you are known for doing here.

And you didn't prove anything either...so where does that leave you?

You seem to have a very cynical view of Christian Missionaries, and for whatever reason I don't know why you do. Have you ever been on a missions trip, or part of one? I'm guessing no...so you really have no room to assume here.

I've spent the past three summers in Eastern Europe specifically on missions trips, and they are nothing like you describe. There is no forcing of Christianity upon we are helping/aiding in whatever way they need. We aren't there with the sole purpose to convert them to any set of beliefs. Obviously, Jesus is spoken of there. In more cases than not you are speaking and helping people who have been in poverty and suppression their entire lives, and many accept Christ, but never is that forced upon them or a condition to being helped...they are helped regardless because that is that what Christ would want even if they don't choose to accept Him.

Put down your cynicism and see the good that comes of it rather than trying to find faults.

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2010, 09:42 PM
Skillet you are seriously whacked. You didn't disprove anything, you just do what you do: ignore what other people write, create strawmen and make statements where no logical bridge from what was written can be made to what you put forth as a conclusion. After reading a lot of your posts I just can't tell if you are truly intellectually dishonest or are really, through no fault of your own, unable to actually follow any line of thought outside of your own point of view. Your approach seems to be if you can't rebut with facts that you actually know you will attack with innuendo to deflect from the weakness in your argument.

Missionaries go to help but they also go to convert[/B]. [B]Missionaries do not go to just help and not convert. That is what I said. Go ahead and twist it some more, it is what you do and all you are known for doing here.

I provided specific examples and all you have are generalities and personal insults.

The "all missionaries do is convert!" complaint is an old one and is as poorly grounded now as it was then. I really suggest that you do some research to learn more about what missionaries do before you ever again insult some of the finest people on the face of the planet.

ghwk
04-26-2010, 10:47 PM
I provided specific examples and all you have are generalities and personal insults.

The "all missionaries do is convert!" complaint is an old one and is as poorly grounded now as it was then. I really suggest that you do some research to learn more about what missionaries do before you ever again insult some of the finest people on the face of the planet.

And yet if you weren't there in the name of Jesus would you be there at all? The answer is no.....and be honest, Jesus isn't spoken of in some abstract way. the whole point is to bring people into the fold, the flock if you will. The services provided, and needed, they come with an attachment, the good people doing the lords work, so that others may experience and come to know the lord. It's not free and unemcumbered Skillet and you know it. Don't make it seem like its a wonderful act of altruism; if it was religion wouldn't be attached to it at all.

I'm not saying the people aren't good and the acts aren't good. I'm just saying the purpose is is ultimately to convert people to Christianity.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-26-2010, 11:21 PM
Skillet you are seriously whacked. You didn't disprove anything, you just do what you do: ignore what other people write, create strawmen and make statements where no logical bridge from what was written can be made to what you put forth as a conclusion.

Hey - that's a pretty good definition of a fundamentalist whack job. Ha!

:thumbsup:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-26-2010, 11:24 PM
I've never seen the Drama Llama so giddy with excitement.

well there was that dobson centerfold shot in boys life mag :D



Hilarious! ^5

Steve Sewell
04-27-2010, 05:38 AM
Tebow is the antichrist I've been waiting for.

My hate will run deep and strong for him.

My only regret is that it will be over so soon.

Thank you for basically guaranteeing him a successful career :~ohyah!:

MaloCS
04-27-2010, 08:43 AM
yes I know saying this will make this spiral out of control quickly but it takes no faith to look around observe, see no magic and choose not to believe in witchcraft

Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust more at bide
Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
2b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

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Look at definition 2b - "firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust". Atheists have faith. It's just faith in the belief there is no god. Their religion is essentially, "no religion".

Que
04-27-2010, 09:09 AM
As long as it helps them to be a better human being, I am all for it!

This

rastaman
04-27-2010, 09:10 AM
For all appearances, these folks look like a solid family. Tim's parents are well educated and have been long-time missionaries to the Philippines. Tim was born there.

They opened an orphanage in Lamsugod, Surallah, South Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines with help from a neighbor, who left the Tebows money for their missions organization when he passed on.

For those of you who are not familiar with missionaries, generally whats going on here is that these people feel a puropse in their lives to go to places where people dont have churches, and the missionary will give up their former life to serve that community in a way that shows them the character of Jesus. They usually plug into the community and start building relationships. When a certain level of trust is reached with the people, the people usually begin to get interested in Jesus. Its a service that requires great, trustworthy people who are able to maintain relationships with people of all social strata, and through their actions are able to convince those people that their work is for the edification of their peoples and cultures....so they get adopted in a sense by the culture they serve.

Churches in their purest form aren't buildings that are built...they are relationships. They arent walls, mortar, framing, etc. They are mentors, friends, etc. This is what the Tebows have to be good at...they have to build relationships with their community members...not just business relationships, but personal lasting relationships.

This is Tim's background, and this rearing has placed in Tim a sense of commitment to his people. This is why Tim cried at the press conference when he told Florida Gators fans that he let them down.

Tebow family ministry site: http://www.btea.org/index.asp

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Tebow is a different kind of athlete. Be proud to have this young man on your team...especially if you have young Broncos fans around. If Tim is able to have a successful career, he will have inspired kids all over the country to be better, humble, committed, and sincere. In the place of selfishness, greed, and immorality, you will have another example similar to what Barry Sanders left. Most of all, he will have been able to show young kids what it looks like to give maximum effort while serving the Lord.

So how does all this Family BS = winning in the NFL.

rastaman
04-27-2010, 09:29 AM
Great post. I disagree with you on the "religion is evil" thing through! lol

I am a religious, but I don't push anything on anyone. I believe that if religion somehow gives you the strength to be a good person, then it has served its purpose. This appears to be the case with Tebow and his family. Everyone has a "belief system" of some sort, including atheists. As long as it helps them to be a better human being, I am all for it!

Tebow needs to keep his religious belief private!.....plain and simple. He scored a 22 of 50 on his wonderlic score. He should have studied more and prayed less.

Lastly, TeBlow should keep his Bible Thumping antics to himself. This guy is going to be a NFL BUST of Biblical proportions, mark my words. Not even Jesus can help this putz.

rastaman
04-27-2010, 09:31 AM
Thank you for basically guaranteeing him a successful career :~ohyah!:

You could be on to something! The hatred for Cutler by some fans will basically guarantee him a successful career as well! :wiggle:

rastaman
04-27-2010, 09:44 AM
Im gonna love it when this guy tears the league up and praises God and the mother that didnt abort him every time a mic is in his face. Careful, this guy might make your head explode.ROFL!

Or Tim might disappoint and embarrasse god and jesus so much he might ruin his chances of getting into heaven. Hell Tebow might piss off god and jesus so much his entire immediate family may not be allowed to enter into heaven.

DBruleU
04-27-2010, 01:50 PM
Or Tim might disappoint and embarrasse god and jesus so much he might ruin his chances of getting into heaven. Hell Tebow might piss off god and jesus so much his entire immediate family may not be allowed to enter into heaven.

Why are you even here? I was hoping you'd forget about the Mane after your leave of absence. You offer nothing to any of this conversation but hot air.

loborugger
04-27-2010, 03:01 PM
:sunshine:

Gort
04-27-2010, 03:35 PM
So, you're saying that because a few religious people made bad decisions, it must mean that all religious people make the same bad decisions? Interesting.

try explaining to him that a child is 100x more likely to be molested by a public school teacher than a priest and watch his head explode.

http://bigjournalism.com/jhudnall/2010/02/13/the-child-molester-scandal-that-wasnt/

LABF is a bigot. i put him on ignore long ago.

rastaman
04-27-2010, 03:41 PM
Why are you even here? I was hoping you'd forget about the Mane after your leave of absence. You offer nothing to any of this conversation but hot air.

So you don't have any humor in your boring body. I'm looking forward to your leave of absence Mr. Homer.......... you un-imaginative stuck up Dolt. LOL

Have a nice day HOMER!;)

rastaman
04-27-2010, 03:42 PM
:sunshine:

Ummmmmmmm.........why wasn't this kid idolizing his parents or father.!Ha!

rastaman
04-27-2010, 03:52 PM
For all appearances, these folks look like a solid family. Tim's parents are well educated and have been long-time missionaries to the Philippines. Tim was born there.

They opened an orphanage in Lamsugod, Surallah, South Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines with help from a neighbor, who left the Tebows money for their missions organization when he passed on.

For those of you who are not familiar with missionaries, generally whats going on here is that these people feel a puropse in their lives to go to places where people dont have churches, and the missionary will give up their former life to serve that community in a way that shows them the character of Jesus. They usually plug into the community and start building relationships. When a certain level of trust is reached with the people, the people usually begin to get interested in Jesus. Its a service that requires great, trustworthy people who are able to maintain relationships with people of all social strata, and through their actions are able to convince those people that their work is for the edification of their peoples and cultures....so they get adopted in a sense by the culture they serve.

Churches in their purest form aren't buildings that are built...they are relationships. They arent walls, mortar, framing, etc. They are mentors, friends, etc. This is what the Tebows have to be good at...they have to build relationships with their community members...not just business relationships, but personal lasting relationships.

This is Tim's background, and this rearing has placed in Tim a sense of commitment to his people. This is why Tim cried at the press conference when he told Florida Gators fans that he let them down.

Tebow family ministry site: http://www.btea.org/index.asp

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tebow is a different kind of athlete. Be proud to have this young man on your team...especially if you have young Broncos fans around. If Tim is able to have a successful career, he will have inspired kids all over the country to be better, humble, committed, and sincere. In the place of selfishness, greed, and immorality, you will have another example similar to what Barry Sanders left. Most of all, he will have been able to show young kids what it looks like to give maximum effort while serving the Lord.

McSkillet too bad you were not included in the Tebow Family photo. Seems the Tebow's don't associate with orphans.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2289/2403055717_6ee77594ff.jpg

Can someone photo shop McSkillet into the Tebow Family Portrait.....he'd really like that.

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2010, 05:33 PM
McSkillet too bad you were not included in the Tebow Family photo. Seems the Tebow's don't associate with orphans.

Can someone photo shop McSkillet into the Tebow Family Portrait.....he'd really like that.

It would be great if you could add anything...anything at all...to the discussion at hand.

I'm not sure who youre talking to with your shotgun posts (throw as many posts up as you can and it doesnt matter if any of them have any purpose or meaning).

epicSocialism4tw
04-27-2010, 05:35 PM
Ummmmmmmm.........why wasn't this kid idolizing his parents or father.

You have action posters of your dad up in your room?

You wear a "Dad!" jersey and matching cap?

The Moops
04-28-2010, 03:16 AM
A little religion doesn't hurt anybody.:sunshine:

mizzoutigers
04-28-2010, 05:14 AM
most of these black players don't have dads to idolize, part of the problem

Circle Orange
04-28-2010, 06:10 PM
most of these black players don't have dads to idolize, part of the problem

Really? More stereotypes abound, especially since those are the only ones the media does long, annoying pieces on. See, a black player from a two parent family is boring, so they seek out the ones from broken homes and parade them as some standard. They're always one of 1,000 kids, always raised by a grandmother, etc., etc. Always from terrible conditions they had to escape from, and have at least one sibling shot and killed. sound familiar? it should. Just take a handful of players out of nearly 1,000 and distort what's going on. ESPN does tragic pieces and sob stories for your entertainment. They never go out of their way to show white players with similar problems, despite the fact this country has more poor whites than blacks (don't say this too loud! Must maintain myth!!)

Cripes, you can't believe everything corporate america shoves down your throat. (who have an agenda, btw)

ghwk
04-28-2010, 08:25 PM
most of these black players don't have dads to idolize, part of the problem

Hey Racistman is back!!! Where ya been homeboy???