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Mr.Meanie
04-24-2010, 06:02 PM
After a draft where we went heavy on OL and WR (our 2 most glaring problems from last year) what does everyone see as our biggest weaknesses now?

extralife
04-24-2010, 06:04 PM
Linebacker, RB

gyldenlove
04-24-2010, 06:06 PM
LB, RB and TE when considering starters

DL, RB when considering overall depth and strength

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 06:08 PM
Qb

Bronco Boy
04-24-2010, 06:08 PM
I'm kind of worried about our safeties. Not sure how long Dawkins can play, McBath looked good but we'll see.

Mr.Meanie
04-24-2010, 06:10 PM
LB, RB and TE when considering starters

DL, RB when considering overall depth and strength

I agree on TE... but our DL I think has to be considered a strength considering our starters from last year's 7th ranked D are all now backups.

LB I think we'll find out more in training camp

KevinJames
04-24-2010, 06:11 PM
We don't really have any glaring holes except Punter......

actually feels great to say that, we should be a good team this year.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 06:12 PM
Linebacker, RB

RB? Please. Moreno is going to look like a beast this season with actual NFL interior blocking.

extralife
04-24-2010, 06:13 PM
We have two NFL caliber running backs on our roster, one of which has never gotten through a full season without an injury.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 06:14 PM
Qb

I know you are a true fan so you will be happy to admit when you are proven dead wrong about Tebow, right? ;D

SoCalBronco
04-24-2010, 06:14 PM
Silb, te, solb (?), p.

cutthemdown
04-24-2010, 06:14 PM
Weakness=big time playmakers on offense

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 06:14 PM
A huge lack of Hillis.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 06:15 PM
We have two NFL caliber running backs on our roster, one of which has never gotten through a full season without an injury.

True about Buckhalter. The main reason I wanted Gerhart. But I wouldn't call the position a major need because Moreno will be excellent with better interior blocking.

gyldenlove
04-24-2010, 06:16 PM
I agree on TE... but our DL I think has to be considered a strength considering our starters from last year's 7th ranked D are all now backups.

LB I think we'll find out more in training camp

Our DL this year is a strength, but consider the backups and the youth at that position, would you be happy fielding Mcbean, Fields and Thomas as your every down DL? Jamaal Williams is a year to year proposition given his age and injuries, Jarvis Green and Bannan have both been around the block and then some so we need to start building that defensive line with youth at some point.

I would have liked to see us do it this year, this draft was about as good as they come with 34 front linemen both nose and end.

SoCalBronco
04-24-2010, 06:16 PM
A huge lack of Hillis.

IMO, his presence will really speed up the learning curve for Colt McCoy.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 06:18 PM
Weakness=big time playmakers on offense

We drafted a couple of guys for that. Thomas is a beast, trust me. I know his routes are suspect, but he has the brains to pick that up. Tebow will improve the red zone and short yardage packages right away.

orangemonkey
04-24-2010, 06:18 PM
Mediocore QB with 1 year experience

atomicbloke
04-24-2010, 06:19 PM
Run defense, Special Teams (especially Punting)

azbroncfan
04-24-2010, 06:19 PM
QB, RB, DL, and ILB.

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 06:22 PM
I know you are a true fan so you will be happy to admit when you are proven dead wrong about Tebow, right? ;D

Not only that. If he turns out great, I'll say I knew it all along. :P

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 06:22 PM
QB, RB, DL, and ILB.

Please. We are loaded with porspects at QB and you're ridiculous if you already think Moreno is a bust. He's going to be great with a better interior line. DL, ILB, I agree, we could use help.

azbroncfan
04-24-2010, 06:27 PM
Please. We are loaded with porspects at QB and you're ridiculous if you already think Moreno is a bust. He's going to be great with a better interior line. DL, ILB, I agree, we could use help.

I accounted for Depth when considering weaknesses. Buckhalter can't be counted on in my opinion and Arrington is average at best. QB we have a rookie project, underachiever, and serviceable starter. Definately can't call it a strength.

Mr.Meanie
04-24-2010, 06:29 PM
Our DL this year is a strength, but consider the backups and the youth at that position, would you be happy fielding Mcbean, Fields and Thomas as your every down DL? Jamaal Williams is a year to year proposition given his age and injuries, Jarvis Green and Bannan have both been around the block and then some so we need to start building that defensive line with youth at some point.

I would have liked to see us do it this year, this draft was about as good as they come with 34 front linemen both nose and end.

I understand that idea, but I think the way we went about it was the best option we had at the time. 3 straight OL picks, including possibly the 2nd best Center prospect turned our biggest weakness to a unit that will be our biggest strength in 1-2 years.

So if you don't get those guys, you take a DL who will end up being a back-up and replacing either McBean, Fields or Thomas - all of whom have experience in the system and upside. So not only would you lose out on a top tier OL, you also may push out a guy who is already a solid contributor. I think there would be a sizeable opportunity cost if that went down that way.

BlueCrusher
04-24-2010, 06:30 PM
Chick who rides Thunder.

rmsanger
04-24-2010, 06:32 PM
We have 0 weaknesses on the football field; however, we are still exposed to the risk of Tebow tears...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/files/2009/12/Tebow-crying1.jpg

uplink
04-24-2010, 06:33 PM
local reporters: Josina, Page etc.

SoCalBronco
04-24-2010, 06:34 PM
We have 0 weaknesses on the football field; however, we are still exposed to the risk of Tebow tears...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/files/2009/12/Tebow-crying1.jpg

I'll have you know that Tim Tebow's tears made Bob lose 90 pounds........its true, it was on Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

gyldenlove
04-24-2010, 06:42 PM
I understand that idea, but I think the way we went about it was the best option we had at the time. 3 straight OL picks, including possibly the 2nd best Center prospect turned our biggest weakness to a unit that will be our biggest strength in 1-2 years.

So if you don't get those guys, you take a DL who will end up being a back-up and replacing either McBean, Fields or Thomas - all of whom have experience in the system and upside. So not only would you lose out on a top tier OL, you also may push out a guy who is already a solid contributor. I think there would be a sizeable opportunity cost if that went down that way.

I agree with the Walton and Beadles picks, I am not sold on drafting two very similar WRs in the top 3 rounds and in my perfect world the Tebow would have been a DL, I think there were certainly options to get a DL either nose or end but I guess next year (except in the 5th or 6th round).

To me there is no doubt we are going to run 8 DL again this year, so lets look at who would get those roster spots:

Jamal Williams, Bannan, Green, Mcbean are all 100% sure.

Marcus Thomas, Ron Fields, Lekevin Smith, Chris Baker and Darrell Reid are running for the remaining 4 unless injury or trade happens. Pedesclaux would need a hell of a camp to push his way in and I don't see any other players who could make the move.

Right now I see Lekevin Smith as being on the fringe of the roster, Baker would need to prove in camp that he is ready to play and Thomas needs to prove he can move to DE. I don't see any way a Jared Odrick or Dan Williams or a 3rd round DL could not force his way into that lineup without taking the position of a valuable veteran.

Mr.Meanie
04-24-2010, 06:54 PM
I agree with the Walton and Beadles picks, I am not sold on drafting two very similar WRs in the top 3 rounds and in my perfect world the Tebow would have been a DL, I think there were certainly options to get a DL either nose or end but I guess next year (except in the 5th or 6th round).

To me there is no doubt we are going to run 8 DL again this year, so lets look at who would get those roster spots:

Jamal Williams, Bannan, Green, Mcbean are all 100% sure.

Marcus Thomas, Ron Fields, Lekevin Smith, Chris Baker and Darrell Reid are running for the remaining 4 unless injury or trade happens. Pedesclaux would need a hell of a camp to push his way in and I don't see any other players who could make the move.

Right now I see Lekevin Smith as being on the fringe of the roster, Baker would need to prove in camp that he is ready to play and Thomas needs to prove he can move to DE. I don't see any way a Jared Odrick or Dan Williams or a 3rd round DL could not force his way into that lineup without taking the position of a valuable veteran.

I agree with this assessment 100%. Although it seems (albeit in April) that Baker will make the squad but will most likely be gameday inactive unless he blows up camp. Reid is too much of a ST demon to not make it, so in my mind he's a 100% lock. Fields I would also say is a 100% lock, just because he was productive as a starter last year and will probably rotate in and out to spell Jamal Williams. I think our rotation is going to have some fascinating possibilities this year.

But to get back to my original point, taking a mid-round DT prospect would have been a cost not only in pushing out players who have already proved they can contribute, but it would have eliminated the opportunity to grab Walton, Beadles or Olsen at a spot we had very little in quality starters and absolutely zero in depth.

The Joker
04-24-2010, 06:55 PM
D-Line.

At NT, Jamaal Williams is a great pick-up, but how long he has left in the tank is up for debate. A year, maybe two? Fields is a really nice back-up but a marginal starter, and a FA after this season also. Unless Baker is a diamond in the rough, we need a long term answer at the crucial NT spot.

Bannan at one DE spot is fine. But Jarvis Green is not a base defense starter. Great guy to spell Bannan and play inside on passing downs, but not a starter IMO.

Ryan McBean, LeKevin Smith and Marcus Thomas are all guys I have doubts about. I hope to Tebow that one of those 3 can step up and be a legit starter, but I am not overly confident that will happen.

Bannan and Williams staying healthy next year is absolutely critical to our defense.

DBroncos4life
04-24-2010, 06:59 PM
I'm going to wait till the rookies prove something before I start counting them as strengths. Things look better on paper though.

OABB
04-24-2010, 06:59 PM
Our fanbase.

NYBronco
04-24-2010, 07:08 PM
Mediocore QB with 1 year experience

Like Moreno that mediocre 14th ranked QB
should improve with the Oline improvements.

DenverBrit
04-24-2010, 07:21 PM
Weaknesses?

RB depth, punter, NT.


.....and 'fans' who quit on the team because they don't like a draft pick, a player being cut or a coach. Wussies!!

rastaman
04-24-2010, 07:55 PM
After a draft where we went heavy on OL and WR (our 2 most glaring problems from last year) what does everyone see as our biggest weaknesses now?

Our biggest need and weakness is still Quarterback.

NFLBRONCO
04-24-2010, 08:27 PM
Weakness QB RB with Speed LB S NT DE

Taco John
04-24-2010, 09:00 PM
We're pretty stocked at teh Concrete Cyanide position.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 09:04 PM
Weakness QB RB with Speed LB S NT DE

Oh for chrissake we have excellent...EXCELLENT...depth at QB. Orton, Quinn, and Tebow? Not good? You're crazy if you think that.

Shoemaker
04-24-2010, 09:10 PM
Marcus Thomas, Ron Fields, Lekevin Smith, Chris Baker and Darrell Reid are running for the remaining 4 unless injury or trade happens. Pedesclaux would need a hell of a camp to push his way in and I don't see any other players who could make the move.

Right now I see Lekevin Smith as being on the fringe of the roster, Baker would need to prove in camp that he is ready to play and Thomas needs to prove he can move to DE. I don't see any way a Jared Odrick or Dan Williams or a 3rd round DL could not force his way into that lineup without taking the position of a valuable veteran.

Great post, but I just had a minor point of contention/confusion.

Reid played OLB for us last year, right? I certainly remember him being on the field at that position.

Did he take some snaps at DE and I missed it? Because otherwise I don't really see how he would factor into the DLine depth chart.

But still, I agree with everything else you said in your post. Just substitute our DE UDFA last year, Everette Pedescleaux, in for Reid (unless I'm wrong, of course) and let them battle it out.

gtown
04-24-2010, 09:19 PM
WR is an issue. No telling how the draftees will turn out and WR are notoriously slow to learn.

outdoor_miner
04-24-2010, 09:42 PM
Looking optomistically at draft picks, I say RB is the the biggest weakness at this point. I'm uncomfortable with everyone behind Knowshon. LB Depth seem to be an issue, particularly behind Doom and Ayers. D-Line seems like it could go either way. If Williams is 100%, it should be a strength. Without him as a force, things looks a little shakier to me. I like Bannan, but am not completely sold on Green.

outdoor_miner
04-24-2010, 09:43 PM
WR is an issue. No telling how the draftees will turn out and WR are notoriously slow to learn.

Probably true. I'm hopeful 1 of the 2 really steps up this year...

gunns
04-24-2010, 10:07 PM
Please. We are loaded with porspects at QB and you're ridiculous if you already think Moreno is a bust. He's going to be great with a better interior line. DL, ILB, I agree, we could use help.

Prospects at QB doesn't mean you have one that you are confident in starting. RB does not mean Moreno is a bust. The depth is suspect at best and Buckhalter is inconsistent. I would have liked some youth in the DL depth. And I'd add safety.

OBF1
04-24-2010, 10:11 PM
Easiest question of the year... Main weakness is the overall fan base. Once all the whiners/bandwagoneers find a new home, I think the weakest link will be our LB crew.

cutthemdown
04-24-2010, 10:34 PM
Our fanbase.

yep

BroncoBuff
04-24-2010, 10:36 PM
Interior O-line. And as strange as it sounds, Quarterback and RB. And LB depth ... Woodyard and Griesen are it.

Merlin
04-24-2010, 10:46 PM
Qb

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 10:46 PM
Interior O-line.

Um, we just addressed that in the draft. Were you not watching?

And as strange as it sounds, Quarterback

We have three quality prospects at the position. How is it a weakness?

and RB.

I hope you aren't in the Moreno sucks crowd. You are smarter than that. He clearly showed the talent, but the interior blocking was absolutely wretched most of the season. He will be a star if these OL prospects pan out.

And LB depth

Agree here.

Durango
04-24-2010, 10:47 PM
We came into the draft needing quality, youth and depth at D-line & ILB, we exit the draft needing quality, youth and depth along the D-line & ILB.

Moreno isn't a bust, but he is a bigger Sammy Winder.

Ayers will break out and the interior O-line got some much-needed talents and depth, so there's that.

Pray Bailey, Willaims & Dawkins remain healthy the entire season and Jamaal Williams hasn't accepted a job here to draw a check, Tebow, Quinn and Orton team up to provide wildly diverse offensive packages, Martindale is at least the equal of Nolan, Buckhalter will effectively back-up Moreno the entire season, Eddie Royal returns to form, the punting doesn't kill our field position and this Pax kid turns out to be a dynamo on KR, hey, 10 & 6 isn't entirely out of the picture.

Bronco Yoda
04-24-2010, 10:50 PM
RB & inside D

NFLBRONCO
04-24-2010, 11:29 PM
Oh for chrissake we have excellent...EXCELLENT...depth at QB. Orton, Quinn, and Tebow? Not good? You're crazy if you think that.

I'm just saying until one of these guys is the guy we want our future to ride on we still need a QB. All of them are avg or projects right now they are not the answer. I want a good or great QB here.


Another weakness I should add is inexperience with system.

Steve Sewell
04-24-2010, 11:35 PM
I was very disappointed in our rookie RB who went for nearly 1000 yds and 7 TD's while splitting time with another RB and running behind a injury depleted o-line. WHAT A SCRUB.

NFLBRONCO
04-24-2010, 11:37 PM
My biggest beef with Moreno is fumbling he fixes that I'm cool with him. We need a break away threat to spell him though its a 2 back league.

ZONA
04-24-2010, 11:37 PM
UNREAL

Already the 3rd page and no McD hater has come in here yet saying our biggest weakness is a headcoach.

Sometimes I actually am shocked when I come here.

watermock
04-24-2010, 11:42 PM
WR and TE wern't problems.

Now there is a host of problems.

Including a probowl LT of the wrong side.

Steve Sewell
04-24-2010, 11:45 PM
WR and TE wern't problems.

Now there is a host of problems.

Including a probowl LT of the wrong side.

Sedate yourself.

watermock
04-24-2010, 11:48 PM
I was very disappointed in our rookie RB who went for nearly 1000 yds and 7 TD's while splitting time with another RB and running behind a injury depleted o-line. WHAT A SCRUB.


2008 Washington Redskins 16 342 21.4 1,487 4.3 92.9 9 31 75 21.9 13 0 3

2007 Washington Redskins 16 325 20.3 1,262 3.9 78.9 11 32 61 18.8 3 0 6

2006 Washington Redskins 8 127 15.9 523 4.1 65.4 7 38T 29 22.8 3 0 0

2005 Washington Redskins 16 352 22.0 1,516 4.3 94.8 11 47T 74 21.0 6 2 3

2004 Washington Redskins 15 343 22.9 1,315 3.8 87.7 5 64T 65 19.0 5 1 5

2003 Denver Broncos 13 290 22.3 1,591 5.5 122.4 14 65T 76 26.2 13 6 3

2002 Denver Broncos 16 273 17.1 1,508 5.5 94.2 15 59 79 28.9 11 3 5

TOTAL 108 2,176 20.1 9,696 4.5 89.8 73 78 478 22.0 56 13 26

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 11:51 PM
2008 Washington Redskins 16 342 21.4 1,487 4.3 92.9 9 31 75 21.9 13 0 3

2007 Washington Redskins 16 325 20.3 1,262 3.9 78.9 11 32 61 18.8 3 0 6

2006 Washington Redskins 8 127 15.9 523 4.1 65.4 7 38T 29 22.8 3 0 0

2005 Washington Redskins 16 352 22.0 1,516 4.3 94.8 11 47T 74 21.0 6 2 3

2004 Washington Redskins 15 343 22.9 1,315 3.8 87.7 5 64T 65 19.0 5 1 5

2003 Denver Broncos 13 290 22.3 1,591 5.5 122.4 14 65T 76 26.2 13 6 3

2002 Denver Broncos 16 273 17.1 1,508 5.5 94.2 15 59 79 28.9 11 3 5

TOTAL 108 2,176 20.1 9,696 4.5 89.8 73 78 478 22.0 56 13 26

Hilarious!

wait. no.

No Hilarious!

yah, ok!

Cito Pelon
04-25-2010, 07:40 AM
RB and ILB appear to be a little weak for depth. But there are 5 RB's on the roster and 5 ILB's (if Haggan is counted as an ILB).

I guess for this draft (as well as last year's) it came down to was there players available that were potentially better than what was already on the roster at RB & ILB?

It looks on paper like a fairly solid team at all positions with some promising youth and solid vets. DL has the highest vets-to-youth ratio, IMO, but there's always next year to bring in some promising youth. I have my fingers crossed DL will be ok this year, as well as ILB.

Cito Pelon
04-25-2010, 07:46 AM
2008 Washington Redskins 16 342 21.4 1,487 4.3 92.9 9 31 75 21.9 13 0 3

2007 Washington Redskins 16 325 20.3 1,262 3.9 78.9 11 32 61 18.8 3 0 6

2006 Washington Redskins 8 127 15.9 523 4.1 65.4 7 38T 29 22.8 3 0 0

2005 Washington Redskins 16 352 22.0 1,516 4.3 94.8 11 47T 74 21.0 6 2 3

2004 Washington Redskins 15 343 22.9 1,315 3.8 87.7 5 64T 65 19.0 5 1 5

2003 Denver Broncos 13 290 22.3 1,591 5.5 122.4 14 65T 76 26.2 13 6 3

2002 Denver Broncos 16 273 17.1 1,508 5.5 94.2 15 59 79 28.9 11 3 5

TOTAL 108 2,176 20.1 9,696 4.5 89.8 73 78 478 22.0 56 13 26

Hijacker. Ah, Clinton Portis, dude had an amazing first 2 years in the NFL.

oubronco
04-25-2010, 08:26 AM
Qb,lb,rb

Elway777
04-25-2010, 08:52 AM
Defensive end. McBean, Banner, Green , Thomas and Smith are solid but no real game changers. I expect the Broncos to draft defensive ends in next years draft.

TD30
04-25-2010, 08:59 AM
Qb

This, but I think Quinn can be very good.