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Blart
04-23-2010, 07:20 PM
The analysts and scouts may question the Tebow pick, but members of the Colorado Springs organization "Focus on the Family" are elated, as the star of their Pro-Life Super Bowl Commercial ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sreLyzUFdx0 ) is coming to their state.

Focus on the Family president Jim Daly has been vocal about his excitement (http://www.focusonlinecommunities.com/blogs/Finding_Home/2010/04/23/welcome-to-denver-tim-tebow) over the pick, as has the rest of the organization (http://www.gazette.com/sports/excited-97636-family-focus.html).


Focus on the Family is a non-profit company based in Colorado Springs. Some of the core promotional activities of the organization include a daily radio broadcast by Dobson and his colleagues, providing free resources and family counseling according to Focus on the Family views, teaching Intelligent Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family#Political_positions_and_activi ties) to people of all ages, fighting gay rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson#Views_on_homosexuality), supporting the physical punishment of children (http://www.stoptherod.net/dobson.html), and blaming disasters like 9/11 on America's use of profanity (http://web.archive.org/web/20030824043312/http:/www.family.org/docstudy/excerpts/A0018615.html).

Tim Tebow's first post-college contract was with FotF, knowing the allegiance cost him many other offers. Expect to see his connection to the organization continue to grow the longer he stays in Colorado.

Chris
04-23-2010, 07:23 PM
Not sure any of this will happen.

bronco militia
04-23-2010, 07:29 PM
this must be why punisher is leaving

Dogsweat
04-23-2010, 07:33 PM
I find this conspiracy theory quite amusing.

I am a believer and I wouldn't let Mr. Religious Pharisee Dobson in my home, anybody who teaches to hate is a douchebag.

If you know the doctrine, you know False teachers will be throught the world and deceive.

You really think Dobson called McDaniels and Bowlen and told them to draft Tebow for his selfish purpose?

http://tonybruno.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chris-anderson.jpg

Birdman and Tebow in the same city= Titles

WABronco
04-23-2010, 07:34 PM
www.noonegivesa****.com

lostknight
04-23-2010, 07:36 PM
Tebow explicitly stated earlier that he has no relationship with Mr. Dobbs.

But hey, keep on stoking the religous bigotry. It's been a impressive effort on Orangemane so far.

Dukes
04-23-2010, 07:36 PM
Surprised it took someone this long to post this thread.

Flex Gunmetal
04-23-2010, 07:38 PM
Oh snap was I supposed to read all that bull$hit? Cliffs son, cliffs.

broncosteven
04-23-2010, 08:16 PM
[I]
http://tonybruno.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chris-anderson.jpg



Are this dude's Pit's on fire?

Archer81
04-23-2010, 08:24 PM
As someone who might care about the political stances of focus on the family...I can honestly say I dont.

Odd.

WWTTD?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/49821/tebowrain3.jpg

:Broncos:

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 08:37 PM
This is why I don't like HIM. As long as he keeps his politics to himself, we'll be fine.

Victor
04-23-2010, 08:51 PM
Yawn.

Broncojef
04-23-2010, 08:55 PM
Nice to have another man of high moral character on the squad!!! With all the idiots we have to watch and cheer for on Sundays Tebow's a breath of fresh air.

epicSocialism4tw
04-23-2010, 08:59 PM
This is why I don't like HIM. As long as he keeps his politics to himself, we'll be fine.

Yeah, we'd hate it if someone had differing political or religious opinions. That's just awful. What we're trying to do here is to funnel as many idiots as we can into the same shallow groupthink paradigm. No dissenters, no disagreement...just do what youre told and shut up.

Right?

That's the European model, and that's what's best for everyone. Ha!

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 09:04 PM
Yeah, we'd hate it if someone had differing political or religious opinions. That's just awful. What we're trying to do here is to funnel as many idiots as we can into the same shallow groupthink paradigm. No dissenters, no disagreement...just do what youre told and shut up.

Right?

That's the European model, and that's what's best for everyone. Ha!

No, I just don't think football players are an authority on politics and therefore shouldn't use the NFL as a soapbox to proselytize.

Before he entered the league, Kyle Orton campaigned for Democrats in the Iowa state house, was a member of the Iowa's Farmers Union, composts his organic waste, and drove a Prius... do you see him do ads on tv about it?

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 09:05 PM
Yeah, we'd hate it if someone had differing political or religious opinions. That's just awful. What we're trying to do here is to funnel as many idiots as we can into the same shallow groupthink paradigm. No dissenters, no disagreement...just do what youre told and shut up.

Right?

That's the European model, and that's what's best for everyone. Ha!

And if you think that's the "European" model, then you know absolutely nothing about international politics (my major at DU).

Popps
04-23-2010, 09:08 PM
Tebow explicitly stated earlier that he has no relationship with Mr. Dobbs.

But hey, keep on stoking the religous bigotry. It's been a impressive effort on Orangemane so far.

He also said he's not into forcing religion on his teammates or fans, for what it's worth... something you rarely hear from radical types.

Blart
04-23-2010, 09:10 PM
This is why I don't like HIM. As long as he keeps his politics to himself, we'll be fine.

It's like Kurt Warner, a good QB and the ultimate underdog story, a fun guy to cheer for. He was religious and used his fame to promote organizations that supported the disabled. Then he became politically active in 2006 and began campaigning against Stem Cell research. I'm sure it made him some fans, but it alienated many others.

Tim Tebow, unlike Kurt Warner or Steve Largent, didn't wait. He began using his celebrity for conservative christian politics before he was even drafted. The question is, do you want someone that vocal and political, or easily duped into being vocal and political, having as much influence on this town as John Elway?

Thankfully the odds of that happening are slim, as his skills are limited enough to keep him on the bench and out of Denver's limelight. I hope, anyway.

Archer81
04-23-2010, 09:14 PM
It's like Kurt Warner, a good QB and the ultimate underdog story, a fun guy to cheer for. He was religious and used his fame to promote organizations that supported the disabled. Then he became politically active in 2006 and began campaigning against Stem Cell research. I'm sure it made him some fans, but it alienated many others.

Tim Tebow, unlike Kurt Warner or Steve Largent, didn't wait. He began using his celebrity for conservative christian politics before he was even drafted. The question is, do you want someone that vocal and political, or easily duped into being vocal and political, having as much influence on this town as John Elway?

Thankfully the odds of that happening are slim, as his skills are limited enough to keep him on the bench and out of Denver's limelight. I hope, anyway.

Warner is against embryonic stem cell research, not adult stem cell research.

And who cares if Tebow is politically active? How is that important to what he does on the field?

:Broncos:

lostknight
04-23-2010, 09:15 PM
Thankfully the odds of that happening are slim, as his skills are limited enough to keep him on the bench and out of Denver's limelight. I hope, anyway.

So, because of his personal and political beliefs, you hope that he fails and screws the Broncos?

For the record, he also is considered one of the all time great collegiate athletes. If sports ever offers a podium - and often does much to the detriment of society - then he earned it.

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 09:15 PM
It's like Kurt Warner, a good QB and the ultimate underdog story, a fun guy to cheer for. He was religious and used his fame to promote organizations that supported the disabled. Then he became politically active in 2006 and began campaigning against Stem Cell research. I'm sure it made him some fans, but it alienated many others.

Tim Tebow, unlike Kurt Warner or Steve Largent, didn't wait. He began using his celebrity for conservative christian politics before he was even drafted. The question is, do you want someone that vocal and political, or easily duped into being vocal and political, having as much influence on this town as John Elway?

Thankfully the odds of that happening are slim, as his skills are limited enough to keep him on the bench and out of Denver's limelight. I hope, anyway.

John Elway is very conservative, and I don't mind because he waited till after he retired to vocalize his politics.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-23-2010, 09:16 PM
It's like Kurt Warner, a good QB and the ultimate underdog story, a fun guy to cheer for. He was religious and used his fame to promote organizations that supported the disabled. Then he became politically active in 2006 and began campaigning against Stem Cell research. I'm sure it made him some fans, but it alienated many others.

Tim Tebow, unlike Kurt Warner or Steve Largent, didn't wait. He began using his celebrity for conservative christian politics before he was even drafted. The question is, do you want someone that vocal and political, or easily duped into being vocal and political, having as much influence on this town as John Elway?

Thankfully the odds of that happening are slim, as his skills are limited enough to keep him on the bench and out of Denver's limelight. I hope, anyway.

Tebow isn't trying to knock the weener out of your mouth. He just wants to win a motherfarking game.

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:17 PM
Let St. Tebow bless us all and ease our troubled minds

like a bridge over troubled waters...

etcetera ;D

Blart
04-23-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm not the one mixing up politics and football. Tim Tebow can take credit for that, I'm responding that I don't want it in Denver.

listopencil
04-23-2010, 09:20 PM
"teaching Intelligent Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family#Political_positions_and_activi ties) to people of all ages, fighting gay rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson#Views_on_homosexuality), supporting the physical punishment of children (http://www.stoptherod.net/dobson.html), and blaming disasters like 9/11 on America's use of profanity (http://web.archive.org/web/20030824043312/http:/www.family.org/docstudy/excerpts/A0018615.html)."

That's not very radical except maybe the last part. I do remember 9/11 being blamed on our lack of morals but not profanity specifically. Other than that- pretty standard bull**** that I've heard from a substantial number of Christian leaders in this country.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-23-2010, 09:20 PM
This will win football games.

Archer81
04-23-2010, 09:22 PM
I'm not the one mixing up politics and football. Tim Tebow can take credit for that, I'm responding that I don't want it in Denver.


Yeah...Denver. That hotbed of conservative insurrectionalism. Enjoy what he does for the team, man. You can ignore his politics.


:Broncos:

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
I'm not the one mixing up politics and football. Tim Tebow can take credit for that, I'm responding that I don't want it in Denver.

I wouldn't piss off St. Tebow if I were you. You know what happened to the Haitians after they made that deal with the devil.

BTW, you engage in "unclean" acts, don't you?

Dr. Broncenstein
04-23-2010, 09:23 PM
I'm not the one mixing up politics and football. Tim Tebow started it, I'm responding that I don't want it in Denver.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4CJu7eEsdfQ/SxHOnUAT4dI/AAAAAAAAD4A/rF7sBqoYZ9g/s1600/tebowPhil413.jpg

You don't want conservative politics mixed up in football. Tebow says.. uh... suck it (figuratively).

Tombstone RJ
04-23-2010, 09:24 PM
I'm not the one mixing up politics and football. Tim Tebow can take credit for that, I'm responding that I don't want it in Denver.

Oh blart, you still have Quinn to pine over.

SoCalBronco
04-23-2010, 09:25 PM
, as his skills are limited enough to keep him on the bench and out of Denver's limelight. I hope, anyway.

http://www.kyoryu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hossa_epic_short1.jpg

thumpc
04-23-2010, 09:29 PM
I bet TT helps sell some club level tix. They might even make some noise.

ColoradoDarin
04-23-2010, 09:34 PM
Tim Tebow doesn't surrender his right to free speech just because you are intolerant of someone having a different opinion.

Dukes
04-23-2010, 09:34 PM
Seeing all the anti christians get bent out of shape is going to be so entertaining for the next 4+ years

TheReverend
04-23-2010, 09:35 PM
He could sacrifice chickens and bathe in their blood and eat their feces on national television, and I could care less if he helps win games.

Archer81
04-23-2010, 09:36 PM
He could sacrifice chickens and bathe in their blood and eat their feces on national television, and I could care less if he helps win games.


This.


:Broncos:

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:38 PM
Seeing all the anti christians get bent out of shape is going to be so entertaining for the next 4+ years

Man, you guys sure are paranoid. You make up 70% of the population and think you're being persecuted. :rofl:

DBruleU
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Man, you guys sure are paranoid. You make up 70% of the population and think you're being persecuted. :rofl:

Paranoid?

It's an accurate observation. You guys cant stand the fact that he's a Christian.

Archer81
04-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Man, you guys sure are paranoid. You make up 70% of the population and think you're being persecuted. :rofl:


Obama says we are a muslim majority nation.

^5

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:41 PM
Paranoid?

It's an accurate observation. You guys cant stand the fact that he's a Christian.

You guys? Who dat? I'm looking around. I don't see anybody. Am I part of something and don't know it?

Rigs11
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
We have one of the forum geniuses who already started a thread on the war forum bragging about how tebow is a repub. It's pathetic really that they have to resort to this crap.

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
Obama says we are a muslim majority nation.

^5

:Broncos:

I think you meant Osama.

Dukes
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
Man, you guys sure are paranoid. You make up 70% of the population and think you're being persecuted. :rofl:

Paranoid? Persecuted? Nope, just enjoying seeing the noisy minority get their panties in a wad

DBruleU
04-23-2010, 09:42 PM
You guys? Who dat? I'm looking around. I don't see anybody. Am I part of something and don't know it?

You're oblivious too...

Of all the criticisms of Tebow, his faith is the leading one.

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:44 PM
Paranoid? Persecuted? Nope, just enjoying seeing the noisy minority get their panties in a wad

The noisy minority? Who, the tea baggers? I thought they would love St. Tebow?

Archer81
04-23-2010, 09:45 PM
I think you meant Osama.


Nope. Obama. He says so many nifty things. Anyways, As The Rev succinctly put it, I could care less what Tebow believes politically as long as the dude wins on sundays, mondays and thursdays. And in the playoffs. And championships.


:Broncos:

Archer81
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
The noisy minority? Who, the tea baggers? I thought they would love St. Tebow?


Teaparty actually endorsed a democrat in Idaho. Odd, for fringe right wing radicals, huh?


:Broncos:

bronco militia
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
Tebow isn't trying to knock the weener out of your mouth. He just wants to win a motherfarking game.

Hilarious!:giggle:;D

Hogan11
04-23-2010, 09:46 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4CJu7eEsdfQ/SxHOnUAT4dI/AAAAAAAAD4A/rF7sBqoYZ9g/s1600/tebowPhil413.jpg


Jesus Repeatus.

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
I really don't mind if Tebow is a Christian, even though he is a member of a heretical church. Having grown up in the "true" church of God, as a Catholic, I realize that it is important to look upon even the heretics and infidels without judgment.

Dukes
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
The noisy minority? Who, the tea baggers? I thought they would love St. Tebow?

If you can't figure out who I mean by noisy minority in response to YOUR post, then I feel sorry for you.

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
Teaparty actually endorsed a democrat in Idaho. Odd, for fringe right wing radicals, huh?


:Broncos:

Damn! That is absolutely amazing. I'm totally shocked.






They found a Democrat in Idaho?





Was he lost?

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:48 PM
If you can't figure out who I mean by noisy minority in response to YOUR post, then I feel sorry for you.

Hmmm. You mean the commie hoard?

Hogan11
04-23-2010, 09:49 PM
Damn! That is absolutely amazing. I'm totally shocked.






They found a Democrat in Idaho?





Was he lost?

Nah, just passing through

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:50 PM
Nah, just passing through

Hope he's moving quickly. They're all armed to the teeth up there.

Archer81
04-23-2010, 09:53 PM
Anyways...

Anyone know the Nugs score?

:Broncos:

R8R H8R
04-23-2010, 09:55 PM
I'm not the one mixing up politics and football. Tim Tebow can take credit for that, I'm responding that I don't want it in Denver.

Yes you are...with this thread. Obviously you are offended because his politics don't agree with yours, and you don't like it.

Unless his former teammates come out of the woodwork complaining that his religious / political views were overbearing, your paranoia is unwarranted at this point.

Taco John
04-23-2010, 10:14 PM
Meh. I don't care if players use their fame as a platform for their causes. I say good for them. People don't seem to have a problem with it when they agree with them. It's when they disagree that they have such a problem.

Taco John
04-23-2010, 10:17 PM
I'd rather see an athlete sling for a cause they believe in than for, say, a fast food chain.

scorpio
04-23-2010, 10:24 PM
I'd rather see an athlete sling for a cause they believe in than for, say, a fast food chain.

I can't find a pic of Sharpe dressed up in a giant onion costume from Good Times back in the day.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/carloswithac/imaginationb.jpg

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 10:25 PM
Tim Tebow doesn't surrender his right to free speech just because you are intolerant of someone having a different opinion.

I will defend Tebow's right to assemble. I will defend his right to speak about politics in a non-official setting. I will defend his right to make campaign contributions.

You don't for-see a conflict of interest if a star agent of the NFL, and a football franchise representing a city of 3 million affiliates himself with a special interest group?

Football is apolitical. And with good reason. Why do you think we watch sports? Doesn't it seem awfully frivolous for overgrown men to risk their health by dedicating their lives to throw a ball around?

Check out the new world cup video with Bono, it sums it up perfectly - "the event is not about 'religion', 'politics', 'the economy', 'oil', - it's the one time where everybody agrees on something."

Sports is intended to unite people. I'm not too familiar with Greek history, but I know from the Greeks in Decapolis and Marathon, competition was intended to unite various cultural groups past their demographical/political/religious differences, for the betterment of the city.

People like Kurt Warner, Tim Tebow (to be fair, Marshall was pretty hardcore for Obama) compromise that.

Two years ago I remember reading an article about the political divisions in the Broncos locker room. Marshall, Orton and Royal were Obama supporters. Weigman was a McCain supporter - Royal and Weigman were talking about, despite who they choose to support, politics had no place in the public sphere of football.

I hope Tebow has a long, successful, politically quiet, career in Denver. Then I hope he hits the campaign trail hard for the candidate of his choice once he retires.

ColoradoDarin
04-23-2010, 10:42 PM
I will defend Tebow's right to assemble. I will defend his right to speak about politics in a non-official setting. I will defend his right to make campaign contributions.

You don't for-see a conflict of interest if a star agent of the NFL, and a football franchise representing a city of 3 million affiliates himself with a special interest group?

Football is apolitical. And with good reason. Why do you think we watch sports? Doesn't it seem awfully frivolous for overgrown men to risk their health by dedicating their lives to throw a ball around?

Check out the new world cup video with Bono, it sums it up perfectly - "the event is not about 'religion', 'politics', 'the economy', 'oil', - it's the one time where everybody agrees on something."

Sports is intended to unite people. I'm not too familiar with Greek history, but I know from the Greeks in Decapolis and Marathon, competition was intended to unite various cultural groups past their demographical/political/religious differences, for the betterment of the city.

People like Kurt Warner, Tim Tebow (to be fair, Marshall was pretty hardcore for Obama) compromise that.

Two years ago I remember reading an article about the political divisions in the Broncos locker room. Marshall, Orton and Royal were Obama supporters. Weigman was a McCain supporter - Royal and Weigman were talking about, despite who they choose to support, politics had no place in the public sphere of football.

I hope Tebow has a long, successful, politically quiet, career in Denver. Then I hope he hits the campaign trail hard for the candidate of his choice once he retires.

First, you are conflating politics and religion. I don't see any evidence that Tebow is interested in politics right now.

And I don't care one way or the other. The only thing that would bother me is if it actually affected the locker room. There is ZERO evidence of that happening at UF, so I'm not really worried about it at the pro level. His ad for FoF was SOOOOOOOOOOOO tame (I love you Mom!) and people were hysterical - seriously the reaction to that ad was funny. He has never shoved his faith in anyone's face, the 'worst' thing Tebow has ever done is answer questions and say "God bless" at the end of interviews.

I don't think Tim Tebow is into politics (and not in the D v R anyways). I do think is faith is a integral part of who he is, so you're not going to be able to separate him and his faith.

Finally, it was never a problem at Florida, so until evidence appears I wouldn't waste one second of your time worrying about it.

Play2win
04-23-2010, 10:48 PM
I find this conspiracy theory quite amusing.

I am a believer and I wouldn't let Mr. Religious Pharisee Dobson in my home, anybody who teaches to hate is a douchebag.

If you know the doctrine, you know False teachers will be throught the world and deceive.

You really think Dobson called McDaniels and Bowlen and told them to draft Tebow for his selfish purpose?

http://tonybruno.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/chris-anderson.jpg

Birdman and Tebow in the same city= Titles

Tebow and the Birdman... sounds like a Clint Eastwood movie ;D

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 11:14 PM
First, you are conflating politics and religion. I don't see any evidence that Tebow is interested in politics right now.

And I don't care one way or the other. The only thing that would bother me is if it actually affected the locker room. There is ZERO evidence of that happening at UF, so I'm not really worried about it at the pro level. His ad for FoF was SOOOOOOOOOOOO tame (I love you Mom!) and people were hysterical - seriously the reaction to that ad was funny. He has never shoved his faith in anyone's face, the 'worst' thing Tebow has ever done is answer questions and say "God bless" at the end of interviews.

I don't think Tim Tebow is into politics (and not in the D v R anyways). I do think is faith is a integral part of who he is, so you're not going to be able to separate him and his faith.

Finally, it was never a problem at Florida, so until evidence appears I wouldn't waste one second of your time worrying about it.

Um Focus on the Family is a political action comitee that is overwhelimgly Republican. The Super Bowl commercial in question is a pro life ad.

Religion is personal. I could not care less about Tebow's religion.

strafen
04-23-2010, 11:30 PM
Tebow explicitly stated earlier that he has no relationship with Mr. Dobbs.

But hey, keep on stoking the religous bigotry. It's been a impressive effort on Orangemane so far.Yup, bashing religious beliefs is ok, but bashing gays is not.
I'm not saying either is acceptable, but they (the mane) need to be consistent...

snowspot66
04-23-2010, 11:32 PM
Did everybody forget about Elam? Tebow doesn't have anything on Jason and his strange novels. He just plays a more high profile position. Consider me unconcerned.

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 11:35 PM
Did everybody forget about Elam? Tebow doesn't have anything on Jason and his strange novels. He just plays a more high profile position. Consider me unconcerned.

Elam didn't talk about it in a Super Bowl ad. He might have had he been bigger profile, but he didn't.

Mogulseeker
04-23-2010, 11:36 PM
Um Focus on the Family is a political action comitee that is overwhelimgly Republican. The Super Bowl commercial in question is a pro life ad.

Religion is personal. I could not care less about Tebow's religion.

And if it makes him happy, I don't even mind if he keeps those eye-blacks with the bible verses on them. In fact I kind of respect that.

snowspot66
04-23-2010, 11:40 PM
Elam didn't talk about it in a Super Bowl ad. He might have had he been bigger profile, but he didn't.

Of course not. Elam is a kicker. Who would ask a kicker with little face or name recognition to promote their cause in a Super Bowl add?

snowspot66
04-23-2010, 11:40 PM
And if it makes him happy, I don't even mind if he keeps those eye-blacks with the bible verses on them. In fact I kind of respect that.

I'm sure he'll be receiving a letter of notice regarding those from Goodell.

Bronco Yoda
04-23-2010, 11:50 PM
Elam didn't talk about it in a Super Bowl ad. He might have had he been bigger profile, but he didn't.

Get real. That ad was so bland...so tame. None issue. Get over it already.

Meck77
04-24-2010, 12:07 AM
And Cutler's a pussy. What's your point?

snowspot66
04-24-2010, 12:13 AM
And Cutler's a p***Y. What's your point?

We probably won't have to endure a set of glamor shots like those poor bastards that follow the Bears.

MaloCS
04-24-2010, 12:15 AM
I think it's great that Tebow has as much faith as he does. I also find it amusing that Lefties get their collective panties in a bunch at the very thought of Tebow's beliefs.

It's funny and it makes me laugh. Thanks for the amusement. ROFL!

Meck77
04-24-2010, 12:18 AM
The NFL is show biz and regardless of what you think of our draft you hear....."Broncos this...Broncos that...Tebow this....Tebow loves this....Tebow...Tebow..Tebow"

Bowlen is going to make mucho Tebow$. That will help the bottom line no matter how you slice it. Besides we have plenty of horses in the stable to trade now. Be patient.

HAT
04-24-2010, 12:33 AM
Yeah...Denver. That hotbed of conservative insurrectionalism. Enjoy what he does for the team, man. You can ignore his politics.


:Broncos:


That's racist!!!

(Too lazy to google image the actual .gif)

Meck77
04-24-2010, 12:46 AM
The analysts and scouts may question the Tebow pick, but members of the Colorado Springs organization "Focus on the Family" are elated, as the star of their Pro-Life Super Bowl Commercial ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sreLyzUFdx0 ) is coming to their state.

Focus on the Family president Jim Daly has been vocal about his excitement (http://www.focusonlinecommunities.com/blogs/Finding_Home/2010/04/23/welcome-to-denver-tim-tebow) over the pick, as has the rest of the organization (http://www.gazette.com/sports/excited-97636-family-focus.html).


Focus on the Family is a non-profit organization based in Colorado Springs. Some of the core promotional activities of the organization include a daily radio broadcast by Dobson and his colleagues, providing free resources and family counseling according to Focus on the Family views, teaching Intelligent Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family#Political_positions_and_activi ties) to people of all ages, fighting gay rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson#Views_on_homosexuality), supporting the physical punishment of children (http://www.stoptherod.net/dobson.html), and blaming disasters like 9/11 on America's use of profanity (http://web.archive.org/web/20030824043312/http:/www.family.org/docstudy/excerpts/A0018615.html).

Tim Tebow's first post-college contract was with FoF, knowing the allegiance cost him many other offers. Expect to see his connection to the organization continue to grow the longer he stays in Colorado.

Now you portray yourself as gay. Not sure if that is the case or not but either way it's pretty ironic our resident gay Bronco fan is calling people out because of their PERSONAL beliefs and lifestyle. Just sayin. :peace:

cutthemdown
04-24-2010, 01:37 AM
It's like Kurt Warner, a good QB and the ultimate underdog story, a fun guy to cheer for. He was religious and used his fame to promote organizations that supported the disabled. Then he became politically active in 2006 and began campaigning against Stem Cell research. I'm sure it made him some fans, but it alienated many others.

Tim Tebow, unlike Kurt Warner or Steve Largent, didn't wait. He began using his celebrity for conservative christian politics before he was even drafted. The question is, do you want someone that vocal and political, or easily duped into being vocal and political, having as much influence on this town as John Elway?

Thankfully the odds of that happening are slim, as his skills are limited enough to keep him on the bench and out of Denver's limelight. I hope, anyway.



Easily duped. So all religious people are just duped huh?

Bronco Yoda
04-24-2010, 01:41 AM
I can't believe the hate over someones religion.

Bitch if you don't like his release or footwork.... but his faith. Really weak!

broncocalijohn
04-24-2010, 01:48 AM
This is why I don't like HIM. As long as he keeps his politics to himself, we'll be fine.

so were you ok with BM pulling out the pen for support of Obama? Many here are saying the same thing but I wonder how many had the same problem with BM. I did as it wasnt something that belonged on the field. What Tim does on his own time or not on prime time is fine with me. Christians dont bother me too much. Many hate on my own religion. Probably jealous they cant drink a few beers without feeling guilty.

Blart
04-24-2010, 01:56 AM
Taking the bible for literal truth, believing the earth is 2,000 years old, and making a bible reference with makeup is personal. Nobody has an issue with that, just as nobody had an issue with Elam's religion.

Publicly supporting a political group on the world's biggest stage that is against women's rights, gay's rights, kid's butts, and the people who died on 9/11 is far from personal belief. Those are political statements, and you may want to say it has nothing to do with football and ignore a fringe Colorado Springs church, but the QB position is as high-profile as you can get in Colorado.

listopencil
04-24-2010, 01:58 AM
Taking the bible for literal truth, believing the earth is 2,000 years old, and making a bible reference with makeup is personal. Nobody has an issue with that, just as nobody had an issue with Elam's religion.

Publicly supporting a political group on the world's biggest stage that is against women's rights, gay's rights, science, and the people who died on 9/11 is far from personal belief. Those are political statements, and you may want to say it has nothing to do with football and ignore a fringe Colorado Springs church, but the QB position is as high-profile as you can get in Colorado.



So what?

broncocalijohn
04-24-2010, 02:00 AM
Taking the bible for literal truth, believing the earth is 2,000 years old, and making a bible reference with makeup is personal. Nobody has an issue with that, just as nobody had an issue with Elam's religion.

Publicly supporting a political group on the world's biggest stage that is against women's rights, gay's rights, science, and the people who died on 9/11 is far from personal belief. Those are political statements, and you may want to say it has nothing to do with football and ignore a fringe Colorado Springs church, but the QB position is as high-profile as you can get in Colorado.

do you have any of these links that states some of what you are stating. I want more than The Advocate article but an actual and full sentence with the question that was posed to the founder.

Blart
04-24-2010, 02:31 AM
do you have any of these links that states some of what you are stating. I want more than The Advocate article but an actual and full sentence with the question that was posed to the founder.

Intelligent Design:
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/faith_in_life/defending_the_faith/the_case_for_a_creator.aspx

Civil Union and/or Marriage of homosexuals:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/january/21.60.html

Women's rights:
(see tebow's commercial)

Spanking a child for crying because of a spanking:
http://dogemperor.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/19/3921411-dominionism-and-child-abuse-part-2
Q: How long do you think a child should be allowed to cry after being punished or spanked? Is there a limit?

A: Yes, I believe there should be a limit. As long as the tears represent a genuine release of emotion, they should be permitted to fall. But crying can quickly change from inner sobbing to an expression of protest aimed at punishing the enemy. Real crying usually lasts two minutes or less but may continue for five. After that point, the child is merely complaining, and the change can be recognized in the tone and intensity of his voice. I would require him to stop the protest crying, usually by offering him a little more of whatever caused the original tears.


The 9/11 quote from the actual Focus on the Family website:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030824043312/http:/www.family.org/docstudy/excerpts/A0018615.html

Q: Has God withdrawn His protective hand from the US?

A: Christians have made arguments on both sides of this question. I certainly believe that God is displeased with America for its pride and arrogance, for killing 40 million unborn babies, for the universality of profanity and for other forms of immorality. However, rather than trying to forge a direct cause-and-effect relationship between the terrorist attacks and Americas abandonment of biblical principles, which I think is wrong, we need to accept the truth that this nation will suffer in many ways for departing from the principles of righteousness. "The wages of sin is death," as it says in Romans 6, both for individuals and for entire cultures.

Taco John
04-24-2010, 02:37 AM
Meh. I'm a libertarian. You can live your life. He can live his. You can throw your name behind whatever causes you want. He can throw his name behind whatever causes he wants.



As far as I can tell, Tebow hasn't done anything that is actually all that controversial. I mean, here is the commercial:

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What's the problem here?

HAT
04-24-2010, 02:43 AM
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dragster's message to Mr. Tebow....


Why don't you go and **** your mom, a-hole!

Blart
04-24-2010, 02:48 AM
What's the problem here?

The part where he interrupts the Super bowl to voice his support of Focus on the Family and limiting women's rights.

Mogulseeker
04-24-2010, 03:01 AM
so were you ok with BM pulling out the pen for support of Obama? Many here are saying the same thing but I wonder how many had the same problem with BM. I did as it wasnt something that belonged on the field. What Tim does on his own time or not on prime time is fine with me. Christians dont bother me too much. Many hate on my own religion. Probably jealous they cant drink a few beers without feeling guilty.

I said earlier in this thread that I was perturbed about Marshall publicly supporting Obama.

Actually, I said it a couple times back when it was actually going down.

Mogulseeker
04-24-2010, 03:02 AM
The part where he interrupts the Super bowl to voice his support of Focus on the Family and limiting women's rights.

I'm a pro-life, fiscally moderate, social libertarian, pro military, Democrat.

Still doesn't belong in football.

Mogulseeker
04-24-2010, 03:06 AM
Intelligent Design:
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/faith_in_life/defending_the_faith/the_case_for_a_creator.aspx

Civil Union and/or Marriage of homosexuals:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/january/21.60.html

Women's rights:
(see tebow's commercial)

Spanking a child for crying because of a spanking:
http://dogemperor.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/19/3921411-dominionism-and-child-abuse-part-2



The 9/11 quote from the actual Focus on the Family website:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030824043312/http:/www.family.org/docstudy/excerpts/A0018615.html

Oh and I think that Focus on the Family is a cancer on this country. I know because I lived it, and it scarred me for life. Out of 88 freshmen from my class who attended my "elite" private high school (Westland), I was one of two who went to college, and I had no self-esteem until I did.

I won't get into details, but I'll be honest - I blame fundamentalist Christianity for that. And I have a right to after what I've been through.

Taco John
04-24-2010, 03:15 AM
The part where he interrupts the Super bowl to voice his support of Focus on the Family and limiting women's rights.

Meh. At some point a fetus has a beating heart and brainwaves. It's my personal opinion that at this point, they are scientifically human beings with rights of their own. You might disagree. You might think that they shouldn't have any rights at all. That's your perogative. You are welcome to your opinion.

I don't have a problem with anyone using their own name and image to endorse any political cause of their choice, regardless if I disagree with them or not. It's their dime, and the network's time.

Mogulseeker
04-24-2010, 03:22 AM
Meh. At some point a fetus has a beating heart and brainwaves. It's my personal opinion that at this point, they are scientifically human beings with rights of their own. You might disagree. You might think that they shouldn't have any rights at all. That's your perogative. You are welcome to your opinion.

I don't have a problem with anyone using their own name and image to endorse any political cause of their choice, regardless if I disagree with them or not. It's their dime, and the network's time.

That's exactly my "pro-life" position. I think there should be options early on - in the first trimester, but midway through the second you have to start seeing the developmental stages and think, "wow this thing has consciousness - it knows its alive."

Mogulseeker
04-24-2010, 03:23 AM
But what do I know, I'm trashed right now.

Taco John
04-24-2010, 03:29 AM
That's exactly my "pro-life" position. I think there should be options early on - in the first trimester, but midway through the second you have to start seeing the developmental stages and think, "wow this thing has consciousness - it knows its alive."

For my part, I wouldn't ever choose an abortion for myself or my family. But I understand that not everyone is going to have the same ethics and beliefs as me, and so I think that science plays a role. I think Christians and athiests alike should be able to find agreement in a scientific standard of life that includes a heartbeat and brainwaves. At this point, it's a human life.

Mogulseeker
04-24-2010, 03:30 AM
For my part, I wouldn't ever choose an abortion for myself or my family. But I understand that not everyone is going to have the same ethics and beliefs as me, and so I think that science plays a role. I think Christians and athiests alike should be able to find agreement in a scientific standard of life that includes a heartbeat and brainwaves. At this point, it's a human life.

No I'm the same way.

Rausch 2.0
04-24-2010, 03:52 AM
Name any other pick, for any other team, ANY, where religion is a discussion.

Ok.

It's a ****ing BASH issue. Plain and simple, bash issue.

He's already going to be a terrible NFL QB, ****s sakes people, why point out how FOS his religion is and ruin any hope for teh happy he might have after signing?...

extralife
04-24-2010, 04:10 AM
Easily duped. So all religious people are just duped huh?

There's nothing religious about focus on the family

Meck77
04-24-2010, 05:08 AM
Blart one question. Do you find Tebow attractive? That has to count for something?

Rausch 2.0
04-24-2010, 05:15 AM
There's nothing religious about focus on the family

It's a ****ing stupid commercial!

If you are a male, you decide to talk over your decisions with your mother and discuss religion, you think long and har-

Wait...


What?


Your opinion has ABSOLUTELY NO ****ING BEARING ON ANYTHING AT ALL, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE,OR FORM THAT HAS TO DO WITH ABORTION!?!?

SO I have no say on-........












Why am I arguing this?

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 05:19 AM
What would happen if there was a "Focus on the Family Pride" parade in downtown Denver? I'm sure it would be met with welcome arms from the tolerant left.

Killericon
04-24-2010, 05:22 AM
Seems we're happier with thugs and rapists than we are with conservatives. Huh.

rastaman
04-24-2010, 05:43 AM
Yeah...Denver. That hotbed of conservative insurrectionalism. Enjoy what he does for the team, man. You can ignore his politics.


:Broncos:

Tebow will be following McD back to NE in 3 years.:wiggle:

rastaman
04-24-2010, 05:46 AM
Seems we're happier with thugs and rapists than we are with conservatives. Huh.

Conservatism does not put fans in the seats......TALENT AND WINNING DOES. And yes conservative fans are so obsessed with the NFL and they're teams, they are willing to sell their souls to root and cheer on thugs & rapist on Sundays and then show their hypocrisy Monday-Saturday. Gotta love the hypocrisy of conservatism.:peace:

rastaman
04-24-2010, 05:56 AM
so were you ok with BM pulling out the pen for support of Obama? Many here are saying the same thing but I wonder how many had the same problem with BM. I did as it wasnt something that belonged on the field. What Tim does on his own time or not on prime time is fine with me. Christians dont bother me too much. Many hate on my own religion. Probably jealous they cant drink a few beers without feeling guilty.

I was okay with Elway supporting, voting, fund raising for Republican Presidents in the 80's, 90's, and even now. Football players are allowed to get into politics.

If Tebow wants to where his religion/Christianity or political views on his sleeves vs keeping it private and in a place of worship.......Tim is fair game to the opinions and jokes to the atheist out there.

rastaman
04-24-2010, 05:58 AM
If you can't figure out who I mean by noisy minority in response to YOUR post, then I feel sorry for you.

Just say who your are referring to.......you stealthy poster you.ROFL!

rastaman
04-24-2010, 06:05 AM
Tim Tebow doesn't surrender his right to free speech just because you are intolerant of someone having a different opinion.

TT doesn't need to sacrifice his free speech when it comes to his religion and neither do individuals who don't believe in organize religion need to sacrifice their free speech to advocate against organize religion. :sunshine:

Gort
04-24-2010, 08:09 AM
TT doesn't need to sacrifice his free speech when it comes to his religion and neither do individuals who don't believe in organize religion need to sacrifice their free speech to advocate against organize religion. :sunshine:

but why do we have to put up with it here?

why don't you get off your fat ass and tryout for an NFL team. if you make the squad, you are free to wear those little message eye-black thingies all you want. under your left eye, you can write "666" and under your right eye, you can write "Bush=Hitler". but until that happens, STFU and keep politics and religion and your personal bigotries off the football board. there is a "war, religion, and politics" forum just for that crap and you and the 8 to 10 other hardcore jesus-hating, leftist activists registered on this site can go in there and bad mouth anyone who doesn't believe as you believe until you're blue in the face.

Meck77
04-24-2010, 08:13 AM
This thread meets every criteria for a WRP thread.

ColoradoDarin
04-24-2010, 08:13 AM
That's exactly my "pro-life" position. I think there should be options early on - in the first trimester, but midway through the second you have to start seeing the developmental stages and think, "wow this thing has consciousness - it knows its alive."

You know that the baby's heart is beating 18 days after conception? It is settled science that at the moment of conception, the baby is an entirely separate being (makes sense since the instance the egg is fertilized it gets half of its DNA from the father)

ColoradoDarin
04-24-2010, 08:14 AM
Easily duped. So all religious people are just duped huh?

Amazing level of intolerance, huh.

"you have to tolerate my beliefs, but I won't tolerate yours!!!"

Kaylore
04-24-2010, 08:16 AM
Tony Dungy is one of FOTF's biggest supporters and he's widely considered a saint around the NFL. I don't no why anyone has a problem with this.

misturanderson
04-24-2010, 08:48 AM
You know that the baby's heart is beating 18 days after conception? It is settled science that at the moment of conception, the baby is an entirely separate being (makes sense since the instance the egg is fertilized it gets half of its DNA from the father)

A heartbeat means absoultely jack ****. You know why it's heart is beating that early?

It's because a fetus' circulatory system is not connected directly to its mother's heart and without it's own heartbeat there would be no way to distribute the oxygen and nutrients through its circulatory system that it needs to grow. It's the same reason that tumors can't get bigger than 1 cm until they start growing in blood vessels (which are connected to the patient's heart).

A heartbeat is the most overplayed bunch of bull**** that has ever been attached to the pro-life argument. I can understand the brainwaves argument and actually respect it, but I thought we were past the point where we thought of the heart as anything other than a muscular pump that distributes blood to the body so that all of our tissues can get the nutrients that they require. You are trying to get people emotionally attached to this notion that we use our heart to guide us on a moral or emotional level even though it is strictly figurative.

If you want to claim that a zygote is it's own entity upon conception, fine, but talking about a heartbeat like it matters in any way other than the fact that the embryo could not grow without it is just ignorant and misguided.

Meck77
04-24-2010, 08:55 AM
A heartbeat means absoultely jack ****. You know why it's heart is beating that early?

It's because a fetus' circulatory system is not connected directly to its mother's heart and without it's own heartbeat there would be no way to distribute the oxygen and nutrients through its circulatory system that it needs to grow. It's the same reason that tumors can't get bigger than 1 cm until they start growing in blood vessels (which are connected to the patient's heart).

A heartbeat is the most overplayed bunch of bull**** that has ever been attached to the pro-life argument. I can understand the brainwaves argument and actually respect it, but I thought we were past the point where we thought of the heart as anything other than a muscular pump that distributes blood to the body so that all of our tissues can get the nutrients that they require. You are trying to get people emotionally attached to this notion that we use our heart to guide us on a moral or emotional level even though it is strictly figurative.

If you want to claim that a zygote is it's own entity upon conception, fine, but talking about a heartbeat like it matters in any way other than the fact that the embryo could not grow without it is just ignorant and misguided.

Lucky for you that your heart didn't get sucked out when you were just a little squirt eh?

misturanderson
04-24-2010, 08:58 AM
Lucky for you that your heart didn't get sucked out when you were just a little squirt eh?

I wouldn't exist, so it really wouldn't make a difference to me. Just like it doesn't make a difference to the 50% of all conceptions that naturally abort at some point during the pregnancy.

Not sure why you're attacking me when I'm claiming to see reason in the arguments that life begins at either conception or when brain activity starts. I'm just pointing out a horrible flaw in an argument that is being thrown around by people who probably don't understand it.

cmhargrove
04-24-2010, 09:06 AM
I will defend Tebow's right to assemble. I will defend his right to speak about politics in a non-official setting. I will defend his right to make campaign contributions.

You don't for-see a conflict of interest if a star agent of the NFL, and a football franchise representing a city of 3 million affiliates himself with a special interest group?

Football is apolitical. And with good reason. Why do you think we watch sports? Doesn't it seem awfully frivolous for overgrown men to risk their health by dedicating their lives to throw a ball around?

Check out the new world cup video with Bono, it sums it up perfectly - "the event is not about 'religion', 'politics', 'the economy', 'oil', - it's the one time where everybody agrees on something."

Sports is intended to unite people. I'm not too familiar with Greek history, but I know from the Greeks in Decapolis and Marathon, competition was intended to unite various cultural groups past their demographical/political/religious differences, for the betterment of the city.

People like Kurt Warner, Tim Tebow (to be fair, Marshall was pretty hardcore for Obama) compromise that.

Two years ago I remember reading an article about the political divisions in the Broncos locker room. Marshall, Orton and Royal were Obama supporters. Weigman was a McCain supporter - Royal and Weigman were talking about, despite who they choose to support, politics had no place in the public sphere of football.

I hope Tebow has a long, successful, politically quiet, career in Denver. Then I hope he hits the campaign trail hard for the candidate of his choice once he retires.

I love me some Bono, but he obviously doesn't play many sports does he? I have kids who played through little league, middle school, high school, and one that is getting ready to play in college. For the most part - sports is about competition and winning. That's not what I preach of course, that's not how I coach either - i've always been there to unite and support.

Professional sports are about winning (and selling). Any other opinion is galant, but naive.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 09:11 AM
TT doesn't need to sacrifice his free speech when it comes to his religion and neither do individuals who don't believe in organize religion need to sacrifice their free speech to advocate against organize religion. :sunshine:


Shh. The harder you try, the dumber you look.


:Broncos:

fdf
04-24-2010, 10:45 AM
I can't believe the hate over someones religion.

b**** if you don't like his release or footwork.... but his faith. Really weak!

I hope he behaves himself. There are a ton of folks with big money behind them who will be gunning for him and who would really enjoy bringing him down. He put crosshairs on himself with that superbowl ad, bland as it was. A much better man than me said: "Remember, when they hate you, they hated me first."

Gort
04-24-2010, 10:45 AM
A heartbeat means absoultely jack ****. You know why it's heart is beating that early?

It's because a fetus' circulatory system is not connected directly to its mother's heart and without it's own heartbeat there would be no way to distribute the oxygen and nutrients through its circulatory system that it needs to grow. It's the same reason that tumors can't get bigger than 1 cm until they start growing in blood vessels (which are connected to the patient's heart).

A heartbeat is the most overplayed bunch of bull**** that has ever been attached to the pro-life argument. I can understand the brainwaves argument and actually respect it, but I thought we were past the point where we thought of the heart as anything other than a muscular pump that distributes blood to the body so that all of our tissues can get the nutrients that they require. You are trying to get people emotionally attached to this notion that we use our heart to guide us on a moral or emotional level even though it is strictly figurative.

If you want to claim that a zygote is it's own entity upon conception, fine, but talking about a heartbeat like it matters in any way other than the fact that the embryo could not grow without it is just ignorant and misguided.

and with this rant, you've proven the point that the fetus/baby is a completely separate entity from the mother, which pretty much is the definition of a living being.

every other cell in the mother's body is nourished by her circulatory system, but every cell of the fetus/baby requires its own working circulatory system to distribute nourishment.

UberBroncoMan
04-24-2010, 10:50 AM
"teaching Intelligent Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family#Political_positions_and_activi ties) to people of all ages, fighting gay rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson#Views_on_homosexuality), supporting the physical punishment of children (http://www.stoptherod.net/dobson.html), and blaming disasters like 9/11 on America's use of profanity (http://web.archive.org/web/20030824043312/http:/www.family.org/docstudy/excerpts/A0018615.html)."

That's not very radical except maybe the last part. I do remember 9/11 being blamed on our lack of morals but not profanity specifically. Other than that- pretty standard bull**** that I've heard from a substantial number of Christian leaders in this country.

I'm just glad they aren't suicide bombing people for not being as devoted to their faith as they are.

azbroncfan
04-24-2010, 11:00 AM
Blart isn't going to be a Tebow fan because of his anti poop pirate takes.

misturanderson
04-24-2010, 11:08 AM
and with this rant, you've proven the point that the fetus/baby is a completely separate entity from the mother, which pretty much is the definition of a living being.

every other cell in the mother's body is nourished by her circulatory system, but every cell of the fetus/baby requires its own working circulatory system to distribute nourishment.

I never said it wasn't. I also don't believe in your religion, and therefore don't give a crap that it is a genetically individual entity that requires it's own circulatory system to grow.

There are far more miscarriages each year than there are elective abortions, so it really doesn't concern me that a few million additional embryos or fetuses die instead of being raised in conditions that set them up for failure as human beings. If you want to go to abortion clinincs and offer to support the mothers all the way through their pregnancies and then adopt their children, feel free. I would much prefer that we made birth control more accessible and educated people about it, but that apparently isn't an option either.

I like to look at it in the light that it is slowing down the rate at which we, as humans, are reproducing. The current rate is unsustainable and will eventually cause us to change our views on reproduction or will wipe out our species when we no longer have enough room to live and grow food at the same time. And that's only IF we don't run out of fresh water first.

bpc
04-24-2010, 11:11 AM
The ignorance cup overfloweth in this thread.

Nobody cares about ignorant Tebow religious stances on this thread. He's not forcing you into a room indoctrinating you so just STFU and let him be.

I love the hypocrisy of society:

"YOU MUST ACCEPT MY WAY OF LIFE!"

then it's

"DON'T FORCE YOUR RELIGION ON ME!!!"

dsmoot
04-24-2010, 11:55 AM
The analysts and scouts may question the Tebow pick, but members of the Colorado Springs organization "Focus on the Family" are elated, as the star of their Pro-Life Super Bowl Commercial ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sreLyzUFdx0 ) is coming to their state.

Focus on the Family president Jim Daly has been vocal about his excitement (http://www.focusonlinecommunities.com/blogs/Finding_Home/2010/04/23/welcome-to-denver-tim-tebow) over the pick, as has the rest of the organization (http://www.gazette.com/sports/excited-97636-family-focus.html).


Focus on the Family is a non-profit organization based in Colorado Springs. Some of the core promotional activities of the organization include a daily radio broadcast by Dobson and his colleagues, providing free resources and family counseling according to Focus on the Family views, teaching Intelligent Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family#Political_positions_and_activi ties) to people of all ages, fighting gay rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson#Views_on_homosexuality), supporting the physical punishment of children (http://www.stoptherod.net/dobson.html), and blaming disasters like 9/11 on America's use of profanity (http://web.archive.org/web/20030824043312/http:/www.family.org/docstudy/excerpts/A0018615.html).

Tim Tebow's first post-college contract was with FoF, knowing the allegiance cost him many other offers. Expect to see his connection to the organization continue to grow the longer he stays in Colorado.

Your take on James Dobson's organization (he has left leadership) is very skewed. Focus on the Family has been a fine, reputable organization for many years, supporting charities world wide. There is nothing wrong with physical discipline of children given without anger in small, reasonable measures to grab attention when used as a last resort. The behavior of children in the last 50 years has decayed to such an incredible degree that it is unbelievable - there is such little respect for one another. You obviously did not grow up in the era when spanking was very accepted. The deterance to bad behavior was real both at home and school. My father told me if I got a paddling at school, it would only be worse when I got home. I thank my father for it.

As for gay rights, although I do not agree with the lifestyle, none should be discriminated for their life choice. I don't have to tolerate the lifestyle but I do have to be a respector of humanity, regardless of my personal views.

I am also a believer that we reap what we sow, both as individuals and as a nation. We will always be accountable for our choices and actions. America as a nation is not exempted.

lostknight
04-24-2010, 11:56 AM
Can a mod please move this out of the main forum?

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 12:51 PM
Seems we're happier with thugs and rapists than we are with conservatives. Huh.

"Conservative" and "Evangelical Christian" are interchangeable?

Who says you can't learn **** on the interwebs? ;D

R8R H8R
04-24-2010, 01:45 PM
The ignorance cup overfloweth in this thread.

Nobody cares about ignorant Tebow religious stances on this thread. He's not forcing you into a room indoctrinating you so just STFU and let him be.

I love the hypocrisy of society:

"YOU MUST ACCEPT MY WAY OF LIFE!"

then it's

"DON'T FORCE YOUR RELIGION ON ME!!!"


This.

BTW, about the only thing I've ever heard Tebow say publicly about his religion is "God Bless". Oh, the horror.

broncocalijohn
04-24-2010, 01:56 PM
Blart isn't going to be a Tebow fan because of his anti poop pirate takes.

Then he needs to realize many players arent into butt pirates politics either.

Blart
04-24-2010, 02:15 PM
Nobody cares about ignorant Tebow religious stances on this thread. He's not forcing you into a room indoctrinating you so just STFU and let him be.

I love the hypocrisy of society:

"YOU MUST ACCEPT MY WAY OF LIFE!"

then it's

"DON'T FORCE YOUR RELIGION ON ME!!!"

Yes, people should be accepting of one another and not force their beliefs on other's private lives and choices through political means.

Then he needs to realize many players arent into butt pirates politics either.

Well duh. Thankfully most players keep that secluded to locker room jokes. They wouldn't blurt out their allegiance to a hate group during the Super Bowl.

R8R H8R
04-24-2010, 02:24 PM
Yes, people should be accepting of one another and not force their beliefs on other's private lives and choices through political means.


I agree completely. You should accept other's religious/political beliefs and not force them to conform to yours.

:sunshine:

Archer81
04-24-2010, 02:36 PM
Yes, people should be accepting of one another and not force their beliefs on other's private lives and choices through political means.


Forcing acceptance (use of should) tends to create resentment. All you can do is live your life. Acceptance from others for every little thing you believe or do will make you a shadow of a person.

F the world. I am what I am, whether they like it or not.


:Broncos:

Blart
04-24-2010, 02:55 PM
An opinion is not force, as you are free to agree, disagree or ignore it altogether.

A political action that attempts to limit rights is force, since it can become law that's backed up by police, guns and jails. You are not allowed to disagree or ignore it.

I'm against Tim Tebow supporting a hate group that forces its beliefs on others. During a football game.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 03:00 PM
An opinion is not force, as you are free to agree, disagree or ignore it altogether.

A political action is force, since it can become law that's backed up by police, guns and jails. You are not allowed to disagree ignore it.

I'm against Tim Tebow supporting a hate group that forces its beliefs on others. During a football game.

The root of your argument: conservative = hate group.

SureShot
04-24-2010, 03:02 PM
The root of your argument: conservative = hate group.

Big surprise huh?

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 03:05 PM
The root of your argument: conservative = hate group.

"Conservative" means so many things now that it doesn't mean anything.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 03:07 PM
"Conservative" means so many things now that it doesn't mean anything.

Same goes with "tolerant" and "liberal."

Blart
04-24-2010, 03:07 PM
If you believe a group that blames 9-11 on America = conservative, then ok.

But when I said Focus on the Family is a hate group, that's what I meant.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 03:07 PM
An opinion is not force, as you are free to agree, disagree or ignore it altogether.

A political action that attempts to limit rights is force, since it can become law that's backed up by police, guns and jails. You are not allowed to disagree or ignore it.

I'm against Tim Tebow supporting a hate group that forces its beliefs on others. During a football game.


You said should. That implies there is a "right way" to think about something. You are not qualified to make that call.

So as I said. F the world. Be you, who cares if others accept you or not?


:Broncos:

Blart
04-24-2010, 03:16 PM
You said should. That implies there is a "right way" to think about something. You are not qualified to make that call.


But what comes after the "should"? If I say you shouldn't cheer for the Chiefs, but you do anyway, you suffer no consequences.

Maybe that's a poor example on this board.

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 03:21 PM
I saw that Tebow commercial and couldn't even figure out what it was saying other than, Tebow's mom loves him. :rofl:

Archer81
04-24-2010, 03:24 PM
But what comes after the "should"? If I say you shouldn't cheer for the Chiefs, but you do anyway, you suffer no consequences.

Maybe that's a poor example on this board.


When you tell someone should and they are not in the frame of mind to do it, they resent being told they SHOULD do something. Even using the Chief's fan example you can't tell somebody else what team to root for. You cannot tell someone else how to spend their time, or how to vote, or what groups to support politically. All you can do is worry about how you vote, what team you root for, or what groups you politically support.

Focus on the Family is hardly a hate group. They have their opinion, clearly everyone else has theirs.Quite frankly I am more worried about Phelps and his church then anything said or done by FoF.

:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 03:28 PM
But what comes after the "should"? If I say you shouldn't cheer for the Chiefs, but you do anyway, you suffer no consequences.

Maybe that's a poor example on this board.

Blart, you're the one who is intolerant. You have a homo erotic avatar and tell everyone your "gay" and no one makes a big deal out of that.

Please, get off your soapbox.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 03:31 PM
I saw that Tebow commercial and couldn't even figure out what it was saying other than, Tebow's mom loves him. :rofl:


Yeah...the leadup to the SB had alot of nonsense about a 25 second spot with Tebow and his mom...and nothing else.

Oh the horror, a mother and son on TV! Run for the hills!


:Broncos:

BroncoHI
04-24-2010, 03:50 PM
The part where he interrupts the Super bowl to voice his support of Focus on the Family and limiting women's rights.

I don't think you get it. They don't want to limit the rights of women, they just want them to stop killing innocent children.

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 03:55 PM
Oh no! Not the abortion debate! Yikes!

Run away...

run awaaaaaay

Hogan11
04-24-2010, 04:43 PM
Dobson can suck it

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 04:46 PM
Dobson can suck it

Our American history is replete with religious nutjobs, whackos, fringe dwellers and fruitcakes. He's just another in a long line going all the way back to the Salem witch hunts.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 04:58 PM
\

Focus on the Family is hardly a hate group.

I couldn't care less about Tebow's political views, but it is stunning to me that a gay individual could make this statement. Focus on the Family hates your kind. That is a fact.

TheReverend
04-24-2010, 05:04 PM
I couldn't care less about Tebow's political views, but it is stunning to me that a gay individual could make this statement. Focus on the Family hates your kind. That is a fact.

How eloquent

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:07 PM
When you tell someone should and they are not in the frame of mind to do it, they resent being told they SHOULD do something. Even using the Chief's fan example you can't tell somebody else what team to root for. You cannot tell someone else how to spend their time, or how to vote, or what groups to support politically. All you can do is worry about how you vote, what team you root for, or what groups you politically support.

Focus on the Family is hardly a hate group. They have their opinion, clearly everyone else has theirs.Quite frankly I am more worried about Phelps and his church then anything said or done by FoF.

:Broncos:

Phelps and his tiny little "church" are: 1) democrats, 2) lawyers, and 3) pretty much all related to each other.

i have my suspicions that his "church" is a democrat dirty trick. they conveniently do outrageous things whenever the democrats need a boogeyman to "hate" and then the democrat controlled media equates their actions with those of of ALL christians. dig into it and i wouldn't be surprised to see a money trail back to the DNC.

sorta like agitprop, but not quite. can't think of the correct word for it. but it's in the same class with those democrat politicans spray-painting swastikas on their office doors and then rushing to the media to complain about how the "culture of hate" was causing them to fear for their safety, only to have the truth come out a few days later that they did the spraypainting themselves!

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:07 PM
How eloquent

When I say "your kind", Idon't mean it as an ephithet. My father is gay. When I was 16 years old, he confessed this to me while he was still married to my mother. It was traumatic at the time, but I am glad for it because it has made me a much more tolerant person.

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 05:08 PM
I couldn't care less about Tebow's political views, but it is stunning to me that a gay individual could make this statement. Focus on the Family hates your kind. That is a fact.

wow, Sirh can think for himself! He's gay and he's not ultra liberal in his politics. Go figure.

Point being we live an a hella diverse culture. Political discourse is everyone's right. Let's keep it in perspective, shall we?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:09 PM
Phelps and his tiny little "church" are: 1) democrats, 2) lawyers, and 3) pretty much all related to each other.

i have my suspicions that his "church" is a democrat dirty trick. they conveniently do outrageous things whenever the democrats need a boogeyman to "hate" and then the democrat controlled media equates their actions with those of of ALL christians. dig into it and i wouldn't be surprised to see a money trail back to the DNC.

sorta like agitprop, but not quite. can't think of the correct word for it. but it's in the same class with those democrat politicans spray-painting swastikas on their office doors and then rushing to the media to complain about how the "culture of hate" was causing them to fear for their safety, only to have the truth come out a few days later that they did the spraypainting themselves!

Ha! Nice spin. No democrat supports this anti-gay bashing ****. If they call themselves democrat, they certainly don't represent the majority of the party.

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:09 PM
When I say "your kind", Idon't mean it as an ephithet. My father is gay. When I was 16 years old, he confessed this to me while he was still married to my mother. It was traumatic at the time, but I am glad for it because it has made me a much more tolerant person.

how's the view from up there in your ivory tower?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:10 PM
wow, Sirh can think for himself! He's gay and he's not ultra liberal in his politics. Go figure.

Point being we live an a hella diverse culture. Political discourse is everyone's right. Let's keep it in perspective, shall we?

It doesn't have anything to do with political views. They hate gay people, and have made that perfectly clear. It would be like a black person supporting the KKK.

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:10 PM
Ha! Nice spin. No democrat supports this anti-gay bashing ****. If they call themselves democrat, they certainly don't represent the majority of the party.

phelps ran for office as a democrat. he doesn't just call himself a democrat, he is one!

Hogan11
04-24-2010, 05:11 PM
wow, Sirh can think for himself! He's gay and he's not ultra liberal in his politics. Go figure.

So wasn't David Brock....until they turned on him. Go figure indeed.

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 05:11 PM
Besides, aren't there rules about what players can and cannot do regarding this kind of stuff? Isn't it part of a players contract that they represent the NFL and can't do anything that would be detrimental to the NFL, such as publicly engage in political campaigns?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:11 PM
how's the view from up there in your ivory tower?

What do you mean, ivory tower? Focus on the Family has been clear on their views of gay people. It's sickening. That has nothing to do with "ivory tower" beliefs.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:13 PM
Besides, aren't there rules about what players can and cannot do regarding this kind of stuff? Isn't it part of a players contract that they represent the NFL and can't do anything that would be detrimental to the NFL, such as publicly engage in political campaigns?

Yep. Tebow seems like a kid who is respectful regardless. I'm sure his views d onot jibe with my own, but he is entitled to that. He doesn't seem to be a "my way or the highway" kind of guy.

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:15 PM
It doesn't have anything to do with political views. They hate gay people, and have made that perfectly clear. It would be like a black person supporting the KKK.

i don't think you can find any evidence whatsoever that Focus on the Family has ever said they "hate" anyone. disagreeing with a lifestyle and battling the mainstreaming of that lifestyle is not "hate".

the Phelps people, that's a different story. but today's democrats are good at hating. Phelps fits right into the democrat mainstream.

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 05:16 PM
It doesn't have anything to do with political views. They hate gay people, and have made that perfectly clear. It would be like a black person supporting the KKK.

We will just agree to disagree.

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:18 PM
What do you mean, ivory tower? Focus on the Family has been clear on their views of gay people. It's sickening. That has nothing to do with "ivory tower" beliefs.

don't say it... prove it. link to anything where they say they hate gays. not from DailyKos of huffington post, but any legit source or press release of their own where they say that they hate anyone. i don't think you can. so put up or shut up.

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 05:18 PM
Yep. Tebow seems like a kid who is respectful regardless. I'm sure his views d onot jibe with my own, but he is entitled to that. He doesn't seem to be a "my way or the highway" kind of guy.

So, in other words, this is a seven page thread about a complete non-issue.

Good old OM. ROFL!

Grumps
04-24-2010, 05:19 PM
It doesn't have anything to do with political views. They hate gay people, and have made that perfectly clear. It would be like a black person supporting the KKK.

You can believe something is wrong without hating it.

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 05:19 PM
So wasn't David Brock....until they turned on him. Go figure indeed.

Is that the guy who hid is homosexuality?

Like I've said in other posts, there's quite a few conservative gays out there (yes, I do have gay friends and know this to be the case). Everything about them is conservative but they just happen to be gay.

If you don't think that's a difficult position to be in, your wrong.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:20 PM
We will just agree to disagree.

Disagree on their hatred of homosexuals? That's a fact:

"To be honest, this is one of those conversations wed like to do over. We can assure you that we recognize that homosexual behavior is a sin and does not reflect Gods created intent and desire for humanity."

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:20 PM
don't say it... prove it. link to anything where they say they hate gays. not from DailyKos of huffington post, but any legit source or press release of their own where they say that they hate anyone. i don't think you can. so put up or shut up.

"To be honest, this is one of those conversations wed like to do over. We can assure you that we recognize that homosexual behavior is a sin and does not reflect Gods created intent and desire for humanity. "

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
I wonder how Lindsey Graham feels about this?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
You can believe something is wrong without hating it.

Not really. That's the old ridiculous stand-by: I hate the sin but don't hate the sinner. Please.

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 05:23 PM
Disagree on their hatred of homosexuals? That's a fact:

"To be honest, this is one of those conversations wed like to do over. We can assure you that we recognize that homosexual behavior is a sin and does not reflect Gods created intent and desire for humanity."

I don't know who or what your quoting, and I don't know the context of the quote.

Grumps
04-24-2010, 05:30 PM
Not really. That's the old ridiculous stand-by: I hate the sin but don't hate the sinner. Please.

Believe what you want, but I think you are the one with hate/intolerance issues.

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:30 PM
Not really. That's the old ridiculous stand-by: I hate the sin but don't hate the sinner. Please.

so when Einstein backed the theory of a static universe, which was eventually proven wrong (and even Einstein admitted it to be the biggest blunder of his career), people who disagreed with him actually secretly hated him too.

hmmm.

good to know. :rolleyes:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:33 PM
so when Einstein backed the theory of a static universe, which was eventually proven wrong (and even Einstein admitted it to be the biggest blunder of his career), people who disagreed with him actually secretly hated him too.

hmmm.

good to know. :rolleyes:

Ha! What an idiotic counter argument. No relevance here.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:34 PM
Believe what you want, but I think you are the one with hate/intolerance issues.

Wrong. I don't have to tolerate intolerance. That's where folks like you are misguided.

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:39 PM
Ha! What an idiotic counter argument. No relevance here.

you're the one who said it's impossible to believe something wrong without hating it.

just showing you the logical error in your position.

i think you're wrong, but i don't hate you.

yet. ;D

Rohirrim
04-24-2010, 05:40 PM
Ha! What an idiotic counter argument. No relevance here.

And you've only scratched his surface. :rofl:

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:41 PM
Wrong. I don't have to tolerate intolerance. That's where folks like you are misguided.

so in other words, you're intolerant of intolerance.

nice one. :rolleyes:

Hogan11
04-24-2010, 05:41 PM
Is that the guy who hid is homosexuality?

Like I've said in other posts, there's quite a few conservative gays out there (yes, I do have gay friends and know this to be the case). Everything about them is conservative but they just happen to be gay.

If you don't think that's a difficult position to be in, your wrong.

Brock never hid it at all. His story is quite telling on how the GOP really feels about their gay supporters. So yeah, no doubt it's a difficult position to be in and as long as your friends decide not to enter conservative politics, they should be able to escape Brock's eventual fate.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:42 PM
you're the one who said it's impossible to believe something wrong without hating it.

just showing you the logical error in your position.

i think you're wrong, but i don't hate you.

yet. ;D

So, the KKK believe blacks are inferior to whites? By yoour logic, that's just their viewpoint. No reason to be intolerant of that. Please.

SoCalBronco
04-24-2010, 05:42 PM
Hogan15..........I like the sound of that. :)

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 05:44 PM
so in other words, you're intolerant of intolerance.

nice one. :rolleyes:

Yes, I am. I don't tolerate the KKK's hatred of blacks. Do you? Same with Focus on the Family. I don't tolerate their hatred of gays.

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:45 PM
that's enough for me. this really belongs in the WRP forum. i've got to get some work done... money doesn't grow on trees.

i'll come back in a couple of weeks when all this draft drama has died down. hopefully we can get back to discussing what's really important... Peyton Hillis and how many more games we'd win in 2010 if only he were still here.

damn you McD. damn you to hell...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_vy3UL7MX7Ok/SXoJ3dCjoiI/AAAAAAAAAdc/yP2rn05HOA0/s800/Planet%20of%20the%20apes.jpg

Hogan11
04-24-2010, 05:46 PM
Hogan15..........I like the sound of that. :)

My main problem with Tebow, is I still see him in that gawddam Florida rag everytime I look at him. This stuff doesn't help matters any though.

SoCalBronco
04-24-2010, 05:48 PM
My main problem with Tebow, is I still see him in that gawddam Florida rag everytime I look at him. This stuff doesn't help matters any though.

You'll get used to seeing him in Bronco gear soon enough. Incidentally....you of all people should love Tebow. He's the anti-flavor clown.

Hogan11
04-24-2010, 05:50 PM
You'll get used to seeing him in Bronco gear soon enough. Incidentally....you of all people should love Tebow. He's the anti-flavor clown.

I'm a UGA man....it's going to take a lot for me to warm up to King Gator Snot

Gort
04-24-2010, 05:50 PM
So, the KKK believe blacks are inferior to whites? By yoour logic, that's just their viewpoint. No reason to be intolerant of that. Please.

that's pretty disjointed thinking on your part.

one can think something is wrong without hating it.
and one can think something is wrong and hate it.

the possibility of one does not negate the possibility of the other.

you claimed that since FOF disagrees with homosexuality, that they necessarily MUST HATE gays.

that's not necessarily true. you must prove that to be true. until then, you're just barking at the moon.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 06:00 PM
that's pretty disjointed thinking on your part.

one can think something is wrong without hating it.
and one can think something is wrong and hate it.

the possibility of one does not negate the possibility of the other.

you claimed that since FOF disagrees with homosexuality, that they necessarily MUST HATE gays.

that's not necessarily true. you must prove that to be true. until then, you're just barking at the moon.

No, it's true. Just as the KKK hates blacks, Focus on the Family hates gays. It is a fact of their view point. That love the sinner hate the sin BS is just that...BS.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 07:41 PM
No, it's true. Just as the KKK hates blacks, Focus on the Family hates gays. It is a fact of their view point. That love the sinner hate the sin BS is just that...BS.


Few things.

The modern KKK is an equal opportunity hater. They kind of hate everyone, not just blacks.

For a Christian, a person is not their sin. You can still like/love someone and not be in love or like the things they do. To imply otherwise; that I am gay, therefore I must be hated because of it categorizes people as one specific thing. I like men. Big ****ing deal. Thats not all I am or all I believe in. I do not base my life around it, and I refuse to be a political football because of it.

I am not liberal or democrat simply because I dont agree with a majority of what they think is right for the country. At least for now I can disagree with them and vote for the other side, which more closely fits with my personal views.

As for focus on the family...I honestly dont care what they are pushing. I have no financial or emotive stake in anything they do. I dont care if Tim Tebow was in a 30 second spot for them. All I care about is that Tebow wins for the Broncos on Sundays.

:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 08:34 PM
Few things.

The modern KKK is an equal opportunity hater. They kind of hate everyone, not just blacks.

For a Christian, a person is not their sin. You can still like/love someone and not be in love or like the things they do. To imply otherwise; that I am gay, therefore I must be hated because of it categorizes people as one specific thing. I like men. Big ****ing deal. Thats not all I am or all I believe in. I do not base my life around it, and I refuse to be a political football because of it.

I am not liberal or democrat simply because I dont agree with a majority of what they think is right for the country. At least for now I can disagree with them and vote for the other side, which more closely fits with my personal views.

As for focus on the family...I honestly dont care what they are pushing. I have no financial or emotive stake in anything they do. I dont care if Tim Tebow was in a 30 second spot for them. All I care about is that Tebow wins for the Broncos on Sundays.

:Broncos:

Believe me...I agree. I don't give a rat's ass what they think about your sexual views. BUT THEY DO! How can you support these guys (i.e. conservative viewpoints) when they hate your way of life?

coachmastermind
04-24-2010, 08:47 PM
No, it's true. Just as the KKK hates blacks, Focus on the Family hates gays. It is a fact of their view point. That love the sinner hate the sin BS is just that...BS.

So let me make sure I understand your line of logic... Focus on the Family thinks homosexuality is wrong = they hate gays.

I think homosexuality is wrong= you think I'm wrong= you hate me.

You hate me= hypocritcal

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 09:22 PM
So let me make sure I understand your line of logic... Focus on the Family thinks homosexuality is wrong = they hate gays.

I think homosexuality is wrong= you think I'm wrong= you hate me.

You hate me= hypocritcal

No...I think if you think homosexuality is wrong, you are a dumbass. And you are. That's a ridiculous viewpoint, period.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 10:12 PM
Believe me...I agree. I don't give a rat's ass what they think about your sexual views. BUT THEY DO! How can you support these guys (i.e. conservative viewpoints) when they hate your way of life?


I dont care if they hate me. Its not my job to make them hate me less. The older I get the less I care about tailoring myself to fit the expectations of other people. I simply dont care. Until God comes down from heaven and says FoF has it right, I'm gonna do my thing. They can do theirs.


:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 10:28 PM
I dont care if they hate me. Its not my job to make them hate me less. The older I get the less I care about tailoring myself to fit the expectations of other people. I simply dont care. Until God comes down from heaven and says FoF has it right, I'm gonna do my thing. They can do theirs.


:Broncos:

Yes, but that's what I'm wondering....conservatives hate your lifestyle, are clear about that...yet you're a conservative? I just don't get it. It seems to me like a Jew joining the Nazi party. I don't get it. I'm sure you have logical reasons, I just can't undertand it.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 10:35 PM
Yes, but that's what I'm wondering....conservatives hate your lifestyle, are clear about that...yet you're a conservative? I just don't get it. It seems to me like a Jew joining the Nazi party. I don't get it. I'm sure you have logical reasons, I just can't undertand it.

This is simply untrue. I'm a "conservative" and could give a rat's ass about who or what you're buggering.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 10:46 PM
This is simply untrue. I'm a "conservative" and could give a rat's ass about who or what you're buggering.

Conservatives in general. C'mon, you know that's true. It's a staple of Republican politics that gays are bad and should be denied their civil rights.

DBruleU
04-24-2010, 10:52 PM
Conservatives in general. C'mon, you know that's true. It's a staple of Republican politics that gays are bad and should be denied their civil rights.

The general consensus from the Conservatives in this thread is that they don't hate gays, and you're trying to tell us we do?

Ok...the more and more I read from you the more hypocritical you get. You're the problem right now. It's not the conservatives "hating" gays cause it's simply untrue. You keep saying you don't get it...you're right, you don't.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 10:52 PM
Yes, but that's what I'm wondering....conservatives hate your lifestyle, are clear about that...yet you're a conservative? I just don't get it. It seems to me like a Jew joining the Nazi party. I don't get it. I'm sure you have logical reasons, I just can't undertand it.


That's extreme.

When I was younger I would have told you I am conservative because I would prefer people be honest about what they think to my face, rather then pander to me one moment and then ignore me the next.

Now that I am older and experienced more, I've never actually met any self proclaimed conservative blatantly tell me they hate me. I have also realized that no one fits the current American political profile exactly. We all have tendencies to lean one way or another on any given issue. So I think its unfair to paint one part of the political spectrum as "haters" when we dont know specifically how everyone calling themselves a particular thing feel about the issue at hand. Do some conservatives dislike or hate gays? Yes. Do some liberals/progressives? Yes. Thats simply reality.

:Broncos:

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 10:54 PM
Conservatives in general. C'mon, you know that's true. It's a staple of Republican politics that gays are bad and should be denied their civil rights.

That's like saying it's a staple of Democrat politics that all pregnancy is the result of rape on some level, and therefore state-funded abortion at any stage of pregnancy is mandated. There are some democrats that believe that... c'mon... you know it's true.

DBruleU
04-24-2010, 10:55 PM
Yes, but that's what I'm wondering....conservatives hate your lifestyle, are clear about that...yet you're a conservative? I just don't get it. It seems to me like a Jew joining the Nazi party. I don't get it. I'm sure you have logical reasons, I just can't undertand it.

haha yeah...cause those evil Christian Conservatives want to put all the gays into concentration camps and gas them. Get real. You're way overboard now.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 10:55 PM
That's extreme.

When I was younger I would have told you I am conservative because I would prefer people be honest about what they think to my face, rather then pander to me one moment and then ignore me the next.

Now that I am older and experienced more, I've never actually met any self proclaimed conservative blatantly tell me they hate me. I have also realized that no one fits the current American political profile exactly. We all have tendencies to lean one way or another on any given issue. So I think its unfair to paint one part of the political spectrum as "haters" when we dont know specifically how everyone calling themselves a particular thing feel about the issue at hand. Do some conservatives dislike or hate gays? Yes. Do some liberals/progressives? Yes. Thats simply reality.

:Broncos:

C'mon. you know as well as I that that one of the staples of Republican politics has been to block gay marriage. They've used as a wedge issue for years. How can you support that?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 10:56 PM
haha yeah...cause those evil Christian Conservatives want to put all the gays into concentration camps and gas them. Get real. You're way overboard now.

Will gay people go to hell, in your view? Answer honestly.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 10:58 PM
That's like saying it's a staple of Democrat politics that all pregnancy is the result of rape on some level, and therefore state-funded abortion at any stage of pregnancy is mandated. There are some democrats that believe that... c'mon... you know it's true.

No, it's not the same at all. State after state has put gay marriage on their ballots. That's not a republican issue? BS.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 10:58 PM
C'mon. you know as well as I that that one of the staples of Republican politics has been to block gay marriage. They've used as a wedge issue for years. How can you support that?

C'mon. You know as well as I that one of the staples of Democrat politics has been to block gun ownership. They've used it as a wdge issue for years. How can you support that?

Archer81
04-24-2010, 10:59 PM
C'mon. you know as well as I that that one of the staples of Republican politics has been to block gay marriage. They've used as a wedge issue for years. How can you support that?


Every single state that has had gay marriage come up for a vote has seen it defeated.

Not every single person who voted against gay marriage was republican.

:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:00 PM
C'mon. You know as well as I that one of the staples of Democrat politics has been to block gun ownership. They've used it as a wdge issue for years. How can you support that?

Ha! Yeah, that's the same thing as denying someone their biological rights. Give me a break, dude. It's not the same thing at all. Possessing a gun versus being denied rights because of your biological makeup? Ridiculous comparison.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:02 PM
Every single state that has had gay marriage come up for a vote has seen it defeated.

Not every single person who voted against gay marriage was republican.

:Broncos:

The majority are, and you know it. That doesn't bother you at all?

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 11:02 PM
Will gay people go to hell, in your view? Answer honestly.

I'm not religious. Again, could give a flying fark who you bump uglies with... so long as it is a consenting adult. If you want to marry a dude, fine with me. Be careful what you wish for.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:03 PM
The majority are, and you know it. That doesn't bother you at all?


California had a republican majority against prop 8?


:Broncos:

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 11:05 PM
Ha! Yeah, that's the same thing as denying someone their biological rights. Give me a break, dude. It's not the same thing at all. Possessing a gun versus being denied rights because of your biological makeup? Ridiculous comparison.

My biological makeup has predispositioned me to desire firearm ownership. How dare you act as if I have any choice in the matter. I want to be able to protect my family and property with decisive force... and that desire is embedded in my genetic code you farking bigot.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:05 PM
California had a republican majority against prop 8?


:Broncos:

Hey, man, I don't like it whoever does it. But you know as well as I that the gay marriage issue is a republican staple. And that liberals, by and large, support gay marriage. You can't deny that, can you?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:07 PM
My biological makeup has predispositioned me to desire firearm ownership. How dare you act as if I have any choice in the matter. I want to be able to protect my family and property with decisive force... and that desire is embedded in my genetic code you farking bigot.

Please. People are born gay. Peope aren't born with guns in their hands. It's not a similar comparison at all. And for the record, I am one of the admittedly few liberals who supports gun rights.

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 11:08 PM
Brock never hid it at all. His story is quite telling on how the GOP really feels about their gay supporters. So yeah, no doubt it's a difficult position to be in and as long as your friends decide not to enter conservative politics, they should be able to escape Brock's eventual fate.

eh, ok. still don't know what your talking about but I'm sure your right as rain.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:08 PM
Hey, man, I don't like it whoever does it. But you know as well as I that the gay marriage issue is a republican staple. And that liberals, by and large, support gay marriage. You can't deny that, can you?


If gay marriage was as important to the democrats as it seems to be in election years, why not make gay marriage a federal law? They clearly have the majority to do it now.

:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:11 PM
If gay marriage was as important to the democrats as it seems to be in election years, why not make gay marriage a federal law? They clearly have the majority to do it now.

:Broncos:

You're sliding across the issue...answer plain...do you agree with the vast majority of conservatives that gay marriage should be constitutionally disallowed? Do you disagree with the vast majority of liberals who differ?

Kid A
04-24-2010, 11:13 PM
C'mon. you know as well as I that that one of the staples of Republican politics has been to block gay marriage. They've used as a wedge issue for years. How can you support that?

I've always hated how they use it as wedge issue/poll magnet too. But I would have to say I agree that there is much more diversity on the issue among conservatives than there might appear at first.

I know a fair number of young, religious conservatives. And if they are any indication the GOP simply isn't going to be able to use anti-gay rights as a calling card. Almost all hold more liberal views on homosexuality than their parents, while still holding fiscally conservative views. Either they feel it's way overemphasized by political/religious leaders (stopping gay marriage isn't in their top 10 most important issues), or they have gay friends and pretty much accept it as okay.

That still might be a minority view among conservatives as a whole, but when you factor in that a lot of "conservatives" are really more libertarian, I think there is a sizable amount of differentiation on the issue on the right. And I foresee the scales tipping decidedly in the other direction over the next couple decades.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:16 PM
You're sliding across the issue...answer plain...do you agree with the vast majority of conservatives that gay marriage should be constitutionally disallowed? Do you disagree with the vast majority of liberals who differ?


No, I do not feel a majority of democrats care or support gay marriage. If they did, we would see results from it in years where they are the majority.

So that means one of two things.

1. They are lying, and only use it to gain votes.

2. They hate gays, but dont mind the votes, or their money come donation time.

As a rule of thumb, I do not support heavy handed federal action to a matter that should be left up to the states. To this point, no state that had gay marriage on the docket passed it in november. Does this mean those states must be full of people who hate gays? Nope.

:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:16 PM
I've always hated how they use it as wedge issue/poll magnet too. But I would have to say I agree that there is much more diversity on the issue among conservatives than there might appear at first.

I know a fair number of young, religious conservatives. And if they are any indication the GOP simply isn't going to be able to use anti-gay rights as a calling card. Almost all hold more liberal views on homosexuality than their parents, while still holding fiscally conservative views. Either they feel it's way overemphasized by political/religious leaders (stopping gay marriage isn't in their top 10 most important issues), or they have gay friends and pretty much accept it as okay.

That still might be a minority view among conservatives as a whole, but when you factor in that a lot of "conservatives" are really more libertarian, I think there is a sizable amount of differentiation on the issue on the right. And I foresee the scales tipping decidedly in the other direction over the next couple decades.

You're right that some conservatives hold that view, but it quite simply does not represent the majority of the Republican party. These are the folks who blame Katrina on acceptance of gays. I'm not claiming that's a 100% position among conservatives, but it is certainly a majority view.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:18 PM
No, I do not feel a majority of democrats care or support gay marriage. If they did, we would see results from it in years where they are the majority.

So that means one of two things.

1. They are lying, and only use it to gain votes.

2. They hate gays, but dont mind the votes, or their money come donation time.

As a rule of thumb, I do not support heavy handed federal action to a matter that should be left up to the states. To this point, no state that had gay marriage on the docket passed it in november. Does this mean those states must be full of people who hate gays? Nope.

:Broncos:

Yes, it does. Why else would they vote against gay marriage? There is no other reason.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 11:21 PM
You're right that some conservatives hold that view, but it quite simply does not represent the majority of the Republican party. These are the folks who blame Katrina on acceptance of gays. I'm not claiming that's a 100% position among conservatives, but it is certainly a majority view.

You are just flat out talking out of your ass now.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:22 PM
Yes, it does. Why else would they vote against gay marriage? There is no other reason.


You seem to be offended that I am not a "house n*****" when it comes to automatically accepting the liberal party line on gays.

And no, it does not mean the 30+ states that voted down gay marriage must be filled with people who hate gays, and thats why they voted it down. That is way too simplistic an answer.


:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:23 PM
You are just flat out talking out of your ass now.

Nope. I'm right. That's the Jerry Falwell/Sean Hannity republican view. I live in the south. This is what people think.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:23 PM
You're right that some conservatives hold that view, but it quite simply does not represent the majority of the Republican party. These are the folks who blame Katrina on acceptance of gays. I'm not claiming that's a 100% position among conservatives, but it is certainly a majority view.


You should not make broad generalizations when your main source of news is daily kos.


:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:24 PM
You seem to be offended that I am not a "house n*****" when it comes to automatically accepting the liberal party line on gays.

And no, it does not mean the 30+ states that voted down gay marriage must be filled with people who hate gays, and thats why they voted it down. That is way too simplistic an answer.


:Broncos:

OK, then why did they vote it down?

Hogan11
04-24-2010, 11:24 PM
eh, ok. still don't know what your talking about but I'm sure your right as rain.

Check out "Blinded By The Right" by David Brock sometime....that's the story of what he went through and how it changed his outlook.

Kid A
04-24-2010, 11:24 PM
You're right that some conservatives hold that view, but it quite simply does not represent the majority of the Republican party. These are the folks who blame Katrina on acceptance of gays. I'm not claiming that's a 100% position among conservatives, but it is certainly a majority view.

Well my take, I guess, would be that the "Katrina is punishment on homosexuals" group on the right are pretty small minority. I would say there is a larger number of conservatives who are fine with homosexuals/gay rights than those that fall in the Pat Robertson zone.

But, yes, the majority of conservatives are generally against gay rights on some level. And that's one of many reasons I identify more with the left.

My point is that a gay person wouldn't have to be self-hating to vote conservative. There is a sizable minority within the right/GOP that support the party for lots of other issues and want to move the party toward emphasizing those instead of wasting time on gay marriage amendments. And I would guess that they will be the majority in a not to distant future.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:25 PM
You should not make broad generalizations when your main source of news is daily kos.


:Broncos:

Dude, I live in South Carolina. I know how these people think. What I stated is accurate. They hate gays. If Lindsay Graham came out tomorrow as being gay (as some rumors speculate), he would lose his senate seat in a landside.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 11:27 PM
Nope. I'm right. That's the Jerry Falwell/Sean Hannity republican view. I live in the south. This is what people think.

I live in the Bible-Belt, in probably the most homophobic county in a homophobic state. Yet everyone here is a registered Democrat. In fact, I can't even participate in most local voting processes because the elections are settled in the primaries. So going with your logic, the Democrats want to deny your biological rights. I know, because I live amongst Democrats who truly think teh ghey buttsecks = hellworthy tresspass.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:29 PM
Well my take, I guess, would be that the "Katrina is punishment on homosexuals" group on the right are pretty small minority. I would say there is a larger number of conservatives who are fine with homosexuals/gay rights than those that fall in the Pat Robertson zone.

But, yes, the majority of conservatives are generally against gay rights on some level. And that's one of many reasons I identify more with the left.

My point is that a gay person wouldn't have to be self-hating to vote conservative. There is a sizable minority within the right/GOP that support the party for lots of other issues and want to move the party toward emphasizing those instead of wasting time on gay marriage amendments. And I would guess that they will be the majority in a not to distant future.

I can see holding conservative views on economic issues if you're gay. Certainly. But the social agenda of the Republican party is unbelievably bigotted. I simply don't see how the ecomonic issues could trump that fact.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:30 PM
OK, then why did they vote it down?


I know this might shock you, considering how every media outlet without sense is declaring conservatism as dead and liberalism is on the upswing...

But the country is center/right. Most people in this country are Christian, and subscribe to the belief that marriage is a union of one man and one woman. This is how it is traditionally done. In more conservative cultures (of which the US is one) you will see a unitarian line of thought in regards to marriage. That does not mean people who have issue with the usage of the word marriage to describe gay unions automatically hate gays. It is supremely odd that people do not oppose civil unions, but if you term it marriage, they oppose it. The hangup is on a word.

:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 11:30 PM
Well my take, I guess, would be that the "Katrina is punishment on homosexuals" group on the right are pretty small minority. I would say there is a larger number of conservatives who are fine with homosexuals/gay rights than those that fall in the Pat Robertson zone.

But, yes, the majority of conservatives are generally against gay rights on some level. And that's one of many reasons I identify more with the left.

My point is that a gay person wouldn't have to be self-hating to vote conservative. There is a sizable minority within the right/GOP that support the party for lots of other issues and want to move the party toward emphasizing those instead of wasting time on gay marriage amendments. And I would guess that they will be the majority in a not to distant future.

I don't agree with your perspective but I guess you have your opinion. Just because there's some conservative gays does not mean there's some kind of religious acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle. I never said that. I said I know some gay conservatives and they are an underground among the liberal homosexual lefties.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:30 PM
Dude, I live in South Carolina. I know how these people think. What I stated is accurate. They hate gays. If Lindsay Graham came out tomorrow as being gay (as some rumors speculate), he would lose his senate seat in a landside.


Dude, I live in southern Colorado in farm country. No one here blamed gays for Katrina.


:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:31 PM
I live in the Bible-Belt, in probably the most homophobic county in a homophobic state. Yet everyone here is a registered Democrat. In fact, I can't even participate in most local voting processes because the elections are settled in the primaries. So going with your logic, the Democrats want to deny your biological rights. I know, because I live amongst Democrats who truly think teh ghey buttsecks = hellworthy tresspass.

Fine, I don't agree with Southern Democrats who do that either. But let's be serious...strangling gay rights is primarily a Republican issue. Are you seriously going to deny that? The stats back it up considerably.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 11:33 PM
I can see holding conservative views on economic issues if you're gay. Certainly. But the social agenda of the Republican party is unbelievably bigotted. I simply don't see how the ecomonic issues could trump that fact.

Because it's easier to legislate an economic agenda vs a social agenda.... and there is never a government expansion that goes away. Some people (myself included) see this as the greater of two evils, hence the economic issues trump the social ones.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:34 PM
I know this might shock you, considering how every media outlet without sense is declaring conservatism as dead and liberalism is on the upswing...

But the country is center/right. Most people in this country are Christian, and subscribe to the belief that marriage is a union of one man and one woman. This is how it is traditionally done. In more conservative cultures (of which the US is one) you will see a unitarian line of thought in regards to marriage. That does not mean people who have issue with the usage of the word marriage to describe gay unions automatically hate gays. It is supremely odd that people do not oppose civil unions, but if you term it marriage, they oppose it. The hangup is on a word.

:Broncos:

Semantics. You're wrong. They hate gays. I live in SC. I hang out with these people. They are my relatives. They are my neighbors. They don't like you. That's a fact. It's sad to see you support and rationalize for a party that hates you.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 11:36 PM
Fine, I don't agree with Southern Democrats who do that either. But let's be serious...strangling gay rights is primarily a Republican issue. Are you seriously going to deny that? The stats back it up considerably.

How do you explain California prop 8?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:39 PM
Because it's easier to legislate an economic agenda vs a social agenda.... and there is never a government expansion that goes away. Some people (myself included) see this as the greater of two evils, hence the economic issues trump the social ones.

OK, that's your view...I disagree, but that is OK...but you aren't gay, are you? That was the audience I was asking the question to. It simply cannot be denied that the Republican party does whatever it can to suppress gay rights. If you support gay rights or are gay yourself, how can you support this? Fine, you like their conservative economic views, but they don't want you to have free rein to excercise your economic rights (through marriage etc.). How can you suppport these bigots?

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:40 PM
How do you explain California prop 8?

A lot of bigots out there, unfortunately. Certainly, the Repubs don't have a patent on that. But that is primarily their issue.

Kid A
04-24-2010, 11:42 PM
I don't agree with your perspective but I guess you have your opinion. Just because there's some conservative gays does not mean there's some kind of religious acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle. I never said that. I said I know some gay conservatives and they are an underground among the liberal homosexual lefties.

I wasn't referring to anything you said or argued. I was simply talking to Inferno about what I've seen of how conservatives felt about homosexuality. I don't necessarily have a ton of knowledge or background researching the subject, just more my impressions of how the conservatives I know stand on the issue and how I see it shaping up in the future.

Archer81
04-24-2010, 11:45 PM
Semantics. You're wrong. They hate gays. I live in SC. I hang out with these people. They are my relatives. They are my neighbors. They don't like you. That's a fact. It's sad to see you support and rationalize for a party that hates you.


I live in Colorado. No one I know hates gays. In fact, most of them dont care one way or another. These are my relatives, friends, coworkers and classmates.

Simply because you choose to see what you want to see automatically makes that reality for everyone else.

:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
04-24-2010, 11:46 PM
A lot of bigots out there, unfortunately. Certainly, the Repubs don't have a patent on that. But that is primarily their issue.

eh, ok. SoCal is just a hot bed of biggotry no doubt. In fact, throw in that whole bigotted northern cali. lot's of bigots up there toos.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-24-2010, 11:49 PM
OK, that's your view...I disagree, but that is OK...but you aren't gay, are you? That was the audience I was asking the question to. It simply cannot be denied that the Republican party does whatever it can to suppress gay rights. If you support gay rights or are gay yourself, how can you support this? Fine, you like their conservative economic views, but they don't want you to have free rein to excercise your economic rights (through marriage etc.). How can you suppport these bigots?

I'm straight, married, with 3 kids. Personally believe the father is of utmost importance in raising a child, and there are plenty of statistics to bear this out. I have close gay friends, who have a non-traditional family with small children. Also a gun-toting NRA member with a concealed carry permit. Registered Libertarian, but wind up voting republican often because it's the lesser of the two evils when I don't have a libertarian choice. That, and the only true biggots I've encounterd are people who claim to be tolerant -- so long as you agree with their views.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:49 PM
I live in Colorado. No one I know hates gays. In fact, most of them dont care one way or another. These are my relatives, friends, coworkers and classmates.

Simply because you choose to see what you want to see automatically makes that reality for everyone else.

:Broncos:

Maybe it's just a southern republican thing, then. But they hate you here, that's undeniable.

listopencil
04-24-2010, 11:50 PM
eh, ok. SoCal is just a hot bed of biggotry no doubt. In fact, throw in that whole bigotted northern cali. lot's of bigots up there toos.

Actually that's very true. I live in Northern California. Loys of hatred for gays up here. It's like these dip****s think they live in Texas or something.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:52 PM
I'm straight, married, with 3 kids. Personally believe the father is of utmost importance in raising a child, and there are plenty of statistics to bear this out. I have close gay friends, who have a non-traditional family with small children. Also a gun-toting NRA member with a concealed carry permit. Registered Libertarian, but wind up voting republican often because it's the lesser of the two evils when I don't have a libertarian choice. That, and the only true biggots I've encounterd are people who claim to be tolerant -- so long as you agree with their views.

Fine. I respect that. Are you going to deny that most anti-gay folks vote republican? That's what I'm saying. I know that not every republican has the same view on the issue. But the stats are clear that it is prevelant.

BroncoInferno
04-24-2010, 11:55 PM
Damn it... Iam going to check out of this thread. I've always liked Doc Bronc, Sir 81, TStone RJ....no sense muddling things with the political BS.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-25-2010, 05:04 AM
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:TJnPopps:

Gawd - that's puke-inducing.

Almost as bad as being some Scientology whack job.