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SoCalBronco
04-22-2010, 08:12 PM
A super hard worker and a great talent. Josh and McCoy need to sharpen his mechanics, but he's got the goods and will work endlessly to get better. In 2 years, he's going to be a fine QB. There's a massive package of talent in that kid's body. I look forward to seeing our staff develop him. This is a bit higher than I wanted for Tebow, but I'll definitely take a great human being with great all around tools.

Welcome Tim. :)

http://thewholegardenwillbow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/tim_tebow.jpg

:thumbsup:

Rock Chalk
04-22-2010, 08:18 PM
You forgot to mention that he is a crying little bitch.

theAPAOps5
04-22-2010, 08:19 PM
Oh man this is like Christmas. A good guy and great leader. AND the Mane is going to melt down!

NYBronco
04-22-2010, 08:21 PM
I like the Tebow pick and immense potential upgrade at the QB position. Cry all you want just don't slap your woman around, fake injuries and become a game day suspension risk.

Broncochica
04-22-2010, 08:21 PM
Welcome Tim!!! It's gonna be a great year!! !Booya!:thumbs:

Hogan11
04-22-2010, 08:22 PM
There is no God

Hercules Rockefeller
04-22-2010, 08:22 PM
Screw you Josh, 3 picks for a cheerleader.

Liquid Courage
04-22-2010, 08:23 PM
You forgot to mention that he is a crying little b****.

Yeah, exactly. I much prefer flavor clues who care more about pay than passion ....

prunch
04-22-2010, 08:34 PM
Check out this article

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3171_A_tale_of_six_quarterbacks.html

dsmoot
04-22-2010, 08:35 PM
Do you think there was another team that would have taken Tebow in round 2

NFLBRONCO
04-22-2010, 08:35 PM
Left handed qb that takes your best OL from qb blind side the NFL thanks you

Ratboy
04-22-2010, 08:36 PM
This ****ing sucks.

Why even have Ryan Clady? We should just trade him..

**** you, McDaniels.

You are by far the worst ****ing coach in history.

broncolife
04-22-2010, 08:36 PM
bills were looking to trade up and were pissed when we picked him

gtown
04-22-2010, 08:36 PM
There is no God

Not according to Tim. Bowlen is gonna sell a ton of jersey to church youth groups.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-22-2010, 08:36 PM
He's a joke.

A complete joke.

bpc
04-22-2010, 08:37 PM
I think you could argue about who is better when both Harris and Clady are health. I get your point though.

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Popps
04-22-2010, 08:37 PM
Wow. That's all I can say.

Glad to have him... stunned at this first round.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-22-2010, 08:38 PM
This Clady is useless because Tebow is lefty talk is retarded

The Joker
04-22-2010, 08:38 PM
Do you think there was another team that would have taken Tebow in round 2

Jags would have given up their first next year and moved up IMO.

We'll never know though.

Anyway, good luck in Denver Tim.

bloodsunday
04-22-2010, 08:38 PM
Well, at least its not Mo Clarett :)

SoCalBronco
04-22-2010, 08:44 PM
Screw you Josh, 3 picks for a cheerleader.

I just got home about 30 minutes ago...so I didn't know about all the wheeling and dealing that went on until Khan called me. I'm going to have to analyze the value given up vs. the return....but I like Tebow purely in the abstract as a prospect to be developed (as I've noted in the last month). In terms of value.....from what Khan told me about the maneuvering....it doesn't sound very good at all (like last year, when they traded away alot of value). I have to look at the trades.

I saw we also took Thomas from GT. I remember he had a huge drop on the sideline early in the season against my Canes when GT was trying to come back and a big drop on 4th down vs. Georgia. Other than those two things I remember, I've been impressed with what I saw from him this past year. He's built well and hopefully his talents will be better used in a more pass oriented offense.

It really sucks that they are starting the draft on Thursdays now...I'm missing out on everything.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-22-2010, 08:44 PM
Our Goal line offense just instantly improved. Instantly.

Mogulseeker
04-22-2010, 08:45 PM
There is no God

That's what I'm thinking right now.

coachmastermind
04-22-2010, 08:45 PM
I for one am excited... love the potential... and I think he'll put in the work to get it done.

Florida_Bronco
04-22-2010, 08:46 PM
Jay Cutler take note. THIS GUY has the mentality you want, you whiny punk.

Broncoman13
04-22-2010, 08:47 PM
I absolutely love this pick. I like this pick more than the Thomas pick by far! Camp is going to be a circus, can't wait! GO TEAM McD! Love the high character guys we're grabbing in this draft.

go_broncos
04-22-2010, 08:48 PM
F..K YOU MCD..YOU SUCK...Tebow sucks.I hate Mcd

Broncochica
04-22-2010, 08:48 PM
Jay Cutler take note. THIS GUY has the mentality you want, you whiny punk.

LOL :~ohyah!:

Mogulseeker
04-22-2010, 08:49 PM
Tim Tebow is the ONE player I didn't want to the the Broncos draft, and we trade three picks for him. Suddenly, I don't mind studying in Maastricht and missing the Broncos season this year.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-22-2010, 08:49 PM
F..K YOU MCD..YOU SUCK...Tebow sucks.I hate Mcd

will you finally go away now?

go_broncos
04-22-2010, 08:49 PM
As i said before, Mcd values character more than skill set.
Unfortunately, you don't win NFL games having good character.

Mcd will be fired in couple of seasons and we will be left with scrub players.
How is Bowlen allowing josh to do these idiotic things..

SonOfLe-loLang
04-22-2010, 08:49 PM
Tim Tebow is the ONE player I didn't want to the the Broncos draft, and we trade three picks for him. Suddenly, I don't mind studying in Maastricht and missing the Broncos season this year.

2 picks i think...we swapped 4's i believe.

epicSocialism4tw
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
Welcome to Denver Tim.

Alot of people wont like you for who you are, but your play on the field wins respect and Denver will respect you if you play well and win ballgames.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-22-2010, 08:50 PM
I just got home about 30 minutes ago...so I didn't know about all the wheeling and dealing that went on until Khan called me. I'm going to have to analyze the value given up vs. the return....but I like Tebow purely in the abstract as a prospect to be developed (as I've noted in the last month). In terms of value.....from what Khan told me about the maneuvering....it doesn't sound very good at all (like last year, when they traded away alot of value). I have to look at the trades.

I saw we also took Thomas from GT. I remember he had a huge drop on the sideline early in the season against my Canes when GT was trying to come back and a big drop on 4th down vs. Georgia. Other than those two things I remember, I've been impressed with what I saw from him this past year. He's built well and hopefully his talents will be better used in a more pass oriented offense.

It really sucks that they are starting the draft on Thursdays now...I'm missing out on everything.

Don't have a problem with the trade per se, hate the pick though. You usually have to give up a future 1st to make that move, so kudos to Josh for not doing something that stupid.

No problem with the Thomas pick.

sixtimeseight
04-22-2010, 08:51 PM
Left handed qb that takes your best OL from qb blind side the NFL thanks you

huh? english please. also, you have no idea what you're talking about. learn how football works.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-22-2010, 08:52 PM
This Clady is useless because Tebow is lefty talk is retarded

Yep. Clady is useless along with the rest of your team because Tebow is a waste of time.

epicSocialism4tw
04-22-2010, 08:52 PM
Tim Tebow is the ONE player I didn't want to the the Broncos draft, and we trade three picks for him. Suddenly, I don't mind studying in Maastricht and missing the Broncos season this year.

See ya.

Kid A
04-22-2010, 09:00 PM
Check out this article

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3171_A_tale_of_six_quarterbacks.html

I'll go on the record: not a fan of this pick. Huge question marks, too many picks given up, etc.

That article, though, was kind of compelling. If nothing else I'm behind the guy 100% and we can count on him to work his ass off to prove McD right.

Mogulseeker
04-22-2010, 09:00 PM
I took my blood pressure before the Tebow pick, after the trade - 114/72 (heart rate of 74) AFTER the pick - 140/94 (heart rate 110). Conclusion: Tim Tebow is bad for your health.

azbroncfan
04-22-2010, 09:02 PM
A super hard worker and a great talent. Josh and McCoy need to sharpen his mechanics, but he's got the goods and will work endlessly to get better. In 2 years, he's going to be a fine QB. There's a massive package of talent in that kid's body. I look forward to seeing our staff develop him. This is a bit higher than I wanted for Tebow, but I'll definitely take a great human being with great all around tools.

Welcome Tim. :)

http://thewholegardenwillbow.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/tim_tebow.jpg

:thumbsup:

I am actually surprised you like him especially after we blew our wad after doing a great job compiling picks.

garandman
04-22-2010, 09:05 PM
Tebow is a GREAT pick guys, LONGTERM..> HE has the 'IT' factor, I live in Florida and am not a Gator fan but I did watch him play a lot. At first I always believed that he was just hype, he is not, he is the real deal... Now he will not make many passes that make your jaw drop, but we haven't had this type of competitor since Elway and for that I am thankful.. I am one who did not like what McD was doing up until this night... He does have a vision, maybe it works and maybe it doesn't but he in not wavering from that philosophy and for that you have to admire him...

Broncoman13
04-22-2010, 09:05 PM
For everyone saying that Clady is no longer useful, you do realize that most of your dominant pass rushers are RDE or coming from the right side of the defense right? A left handed QB does eliminate the blind side part, but it also allows you to roll toward your strength as well.

Mogulseeker
04-22-2010, 09:07 PM
IDK, maybe we can move him to TE or something.

Kid A
04-22-2010, 09:09 PM
I took my blood pressure before the Tebow pick, after the trade - 114/72 (heart rate of 74) AFTER the pick - 140/94 (heart rate 110). Conclusion: Tim Tebow is bad for your health.

He has already driven me to drink some this evening. Still, it's football. It's supposed to be fun! This will be fascinating to watch unfold. I'm skeptical, but his passing stats from college are insane and McD must see some great possibility in him. We shall see.

Beantown Bronco
04-22-2010, 09:09 PM
I am actually surprised you like him especially after we blew our wad after doing a great job compiling picks.

Blew our wad? How? Don't they still have 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders tomorrow alone?

ColoradoDarin
04-22-2010, 09:11 PM
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Tebow!!

MplsBronco
04-22-2010, 09:12 PM
McD has a set of titanium balls, there is no arguing that. And the guy has a plan and is executing that plan. I am excited to see if it works out, but at least the guy is trying to execute a plan. And he is restoring excitement to this team. This is not Jarvis Moss, Mo Clarett, Willie Middlebrooks type of random trash.

Orange4Life
04-22-2010, 09:12 PM
I don't like the bounty of picks we gave up for Tebow. I was looking forward to some interior O linemen and maybe a linebacker. I'm shocked Tebow went this high.

That said the upside on him is huge. If he doesn't live up to the hype it won't be for a lack of trying. You know the kid is going to give it everything he's got. Since he is here now I'm on the Tebow bandwagon

Drek
04-22-2010, 09:12 PM
For everyone saying that Clady is no longer useful, you do realize that most of your dominant pass rushers are RDE or coming from the right side of the defense right? A left handed QB does eliminate the blind side part, but it also allows you to roll toward your strength as well.

The only way that even matters is if teams flip their pass rushers to opposite sides for facing a lefty. Basically no one does that, and even if they did its not like Harris isn't good against pass rushers himself.

broncosteven
04-22-2010, 09:12 PM
Blew our wad? How? Don't they still have 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders tomorrow alone?

Nope per http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=2765

we have 1 2nd at 13 and 2 3rds, 1 4th a 5th and a 6th

7 total selections overall unless something else changes.

If we still had the 2 2nd's I might not be so bummed right now.

Dagmar
04-22-2010, 09:25 PM
Nope per http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=2765

we have 1 2nd at 13 and 2 3rds, 1 4th a 5th and a 6th

7 total selections overall unless something else changes.

If we still had the 2 2nd's I might not be so bummed right now.

I love this pick and love the moves. We were aggressive.

http://jbum.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bf70753ef01116903e613970c-800wi

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 09:26 PM
Screw you Josh, 3 picks for a cheerleader.

Bingo.

In three years, Tebow is out of the NFL.

Taco John
04-22-2010, 09:27 PM
Welcome to Denver Tim. I like the way you conduct yourself. I like your fire. I hope that this balences out not being able to read a defense and having a slow release.

Mogulseeker
04-22-2010, 09:28 PM
He has already driven me to drink some this evening. Still, it's football. It's supposed to be fun! This will be fascinating to watch unfold. I'm skeptical, but his passing stats from college are insane and McD must see some great possibility in him. We shall see.

I'm watching the draft at the Lambda house with some brothers. Already downed a fifth of Crown Royal between the three of us.

boppool
04-22-2010, 09:29 PM
I honestly can't say I love the pick, but I'm willing to give McD a chance to convert this high character guy into a polished NFL calibur QB. He has all the tangibles, leadership, passion, composure and competitiveness. Only thing he lacks? skillset as a QB.

I'm willing to give him a year or two. I reeeally hope he's the one.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2010, 09:29 PM
Yes! This is awesome!!!

Broncoman13
04-22-2010, 09:29 PM
Wow, I didn't realize how closely we followed the draft value chart here. The #25 pick is worth 740. The #43 pick is worth 470, the #70 pick is worth 240, the #114 pick is worth 66, #119 (that we got back in the 4th) is worth 56. So basically we got 20 points in advantage which value wise is worth a mid 6th. You could argue with the depth of this draft that the value charts are off (more valuable) in the 2nd-4th rounds, but we still have a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round pick. Add to the fact that we didn't mortgage anything for next year (yet), I would say we moved VERY Well today!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

FYI, the move from 13 to 24 actually cost us about 15 points.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 09:30 PM
I am actually surprised you like him especially after we blew our wad after doing a great job compiling picks.

One cheerleader loves another. ;D

bronco militia
04-22-2010, 09:30 PM
since he's our 2nd #1 of the night I LOVE THIS PICK!!!!!

TRADE ORTON YESTERDAY!!!!

gyldenlove
04-22-2010, 09:30 PM
Are we talking about the same guy who couldn't learn to throw the ball in 4 years of college and several years of high school? I think he might need a little more than 2 years given that the last 10 didn't do the trick.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 09:31 PM
It will be interesting to see how Tebow develops, as opposed to say, Dan Williams.

Broncoman13
04-22-2010, 09:31 PM
The only way that even matters is if teams flip their pass rushers to opposite sides for facing a lefty. Basically no one does that, and even if they did its not like Harris isn't good against pass rushers himself.

That was kind of my point. ;D

go_broncos
04-22-2010, 09:32 PM
The only one that should love this trade are denver cheerleaders.

Doggcow
04-22-2010, 09:32 PM
Im down with tebow!

azbroncfan
04-22-2010, 09:32 PM
Blew our wad? How? Don't they still have 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders tomorrow alone?

I hope.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 09:33 PM
Well, I would have been fine with Tebow in the 2nd. Not crazy about this, but at least it wasn't at 11. McDaniels has brass balls for sure; this pick will make or break him. I am not going to assume Tebow is a failure just because some message board idiots are convinced. Hopefully, he works out. He has the work ethic and skill set to make it happen.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 09:34 PM
Frankly, I doubt he can beat out 'Stater, Quinn or Orton and even get on the field, which really means those picks were flushed for nothing.

Ray Finkle
04-22-2010, 09:35 PM
I am so not happy...I may go anti-Josh now.

Drek
04-22-2010, 09:35 PM
Are we talking about the same guy who couldn't learn to throw the ball in 4 years of college and several years of high school? I think he might need a little more than 2 years given that the last 10 didn't do the trick.

You mean when people just let him do his thing because it worked?

He isn't Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford, guys who've had personal QB coaches since they where in their early teens. He's only just started to correct his motion and basically everyone around the NFL raved about the progress he's already made.

Hell, if you listen to Mike Mayock he thinks Tebow's release problems are wildly exaggerated except when on the run or under pressure, which is when the problems crop up. He has plus NFL arm strength even with a stilted throwing motion, some quality coaching and he could be very impressive.

Something to consider as to why we took him in the first round: A 2nd or 3rd rounder can only sign 3 or 4 year deals. A 1st rounder can sign a 5 or 6 year deal. We'll want that extra two years if Tebow pans out. If we thought he was worth taking in the early 2nd and therefore where already looking to leapfrog Buffalo (who apparently really wanted him) then the slight bit of extra compensation to get him in the first is worth the extra contract length, so that we have about 4 years of contract control after McDaniels tweaks and overhauls his game.

Ray Finkle
04-22-2010, 09:35 PM
I feel like I was racing home with the ****s.....I made it to the house and thought I was safe (the Thomas pick) but got so happy I jumped up and down and **** my paints (Tebow)....boo

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 09:36 PM
Welcome to Denver Tim. I like the way you conduct yourself. I like your fire. I hope that this balences out not being able to read a defense and having a slow release.

How do you know he can't read a defense? He made the reads necessary for the offense at Florida. He has the brains to pick up an NFL offense, I believe. My big question is, can he develop the mechanics to be a top NFL QB? You are right about the release. Gruden seems confident he can rework the release. McDaniels apparently believes so, too. I hope he is right.

DarkHorse
04-22-2010, 09:37 PM
Blew our wad? How? Don't they still have 2 second rounders and 2 third rounders tomorrow alone?

Think we traded 1 of each of those for Tebow.

Br0nc0Buster
04-22-2010, 09:37 PM
Josh has some balls, his career in Denver pretty much rides on Tebow

With that said, I like Tebow as a person, but do not like him as a quarterback
wow I hope this guy proves me wrong

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 09:38 PM
Frankly, I doubt he can beat out 'Stater, Quinn or Orton and even get on the field, which really means those picks were flushed for nothing.

'Stater is headed to the practice squad. Tebow will contribute in Wildcatesque packages this year, and hopefully his unquestioned dilligent work ethic will lead to improved mechanics.

extralife
04-22-2010, 09:39 PM
As if this team needed anything else to divide the fanbase. Yeesh. Talk about the most interesting team in the NFL

(Tebow sucks and I don't think there's any way he becomes a quality NFL starter, but, uhhh, GO TIM TEBOW I guess)

SoDak Bronco
04-22-2010, 09:39 PM
Why...why...that is all i can say? Why???????????

Pool
04-22-2010, 09:40 PM
Good luck to Tim. Hopefully one of the QB`s on the roster will be the future of the team.

tsiguy96
04-22-2010, 09:49 PM
PostBroncos

Tebow: I will wear whatever number they want me to wear .... as long as I can wear a Denver Broncos jersey.

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/302508466/g2_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/fs3142) fs3142 (http://twitter.com/fs3142)
Just got off the phone with Tebow. Said he had his heart set on Broncos after combine. "Gosh, I love those guys, I love Coach McDaniels."

yea, this is a horrible guy. we should root against him and hope he fails.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2010, 09:52 PM
McD is so amazing he made Broncos fans do a 180 against eachother. The doubters suck!!!

Tombstone RJ
04-22-2010, 09:53 PM
This is a huge gamble by McX. I like Tebow the person, I'm just not sold on Tebow the nfl qb.

tsiguy96
04-22-2010, 09:53 PM
we gave up a lot to get a guy who has a lot of question marks about his ability to play in NFL, and it may never be worth it. he has a lot of upside though, and his commitment to the game is the one thing we can count on.

gyldenlove
04-22-2010, 09:57 PM
You mean when people just let him do his thing because it worked?

He isn't Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford, guys who've had personal QB coaches since they where in their early teens. He's only just started to correct his motion and basically everyone around the NFL raved about the progress he's already made.

Hell, if you listen to Mike Mayock he thinks Tebow's release problems are wildly exaggerated except when on the run or under pressure, which is when the problems crop up. He has plus NFL arm strength even with a stilted throwing motion, some quality coaching and he could be very impressive.

Something to consider as to why we took him in the first round: A 2nd or 3rd rounder can only sign 3 or 4 year deals. A 1st rounder can sign a 5 or 6 year deal. We'll want that extra two years if Tebow pans out. If we thought he was worth taking in the early 2nd and therefore where already looking to leapfrog Buffalo (who apparently really wanted him) then the slight bit of extra compensation to get him in the first is worth the extra contract length, so that we have about 4 years of contract control after McDaniels tweaks and overhauls his game.

Only the top 16 can sign 6 year deals, Tebow can only sign a 5 year contract and I doubt the extra year is worth shipping out a 3rd and 4th round pick, hell that kind of value gets you Anquan Boldin.

Just like people let Marcus Thomas and Jarvis Moss and Derrick Harvey do their thing because it worked and how many of those highly touted Floriday players are doing well in the NFL today? You have another thing coming if you think playing for a good team in Florida equates to NFL success.

Tebow had to reinvent his throwing motion, the single most important thing he does in order to get considered for the NFL, how many running backs are drafted in the 1st round who had to reinvent the way they run prior to the draft? Do you want to tell me that is not a problem? the guy works as hard as anyone and yet this is something he couldn't manage to do in 10 years, despite having a pro style QB coach for his senior year in Florida hired ONLY to fix it and he couldn't. Unless Tebow does some serious work on his mechanics he will be the nicest guy who ever failed misserably in the NFL because that low getoff point and the long windup is okay against Duke but against San Diego that **** gets you knocked so deep into the turf you can taste Thai food from the other side.

gyldenlove
04-22-2010, 09:58 PM
we gave up a lot to get a guy who has a lot of question marks about his ability to play in NFL, and it may never be worth it. he has a lot of upside though, and his commitment to the game is the one thing we can count on.

which one are we talking about now? it seems like both fit in this category.

Pony Boy
04-22-2010, 10:00 PM
Tim Tebow is easily the most marketable player in this draft class, which offers a rare but intangible quality that reaches beyond sports. He will be a huge shot in the arm for the Bronco's.

tsiguy96
04-22-2010, 10:00 PM
which one are we talking about now? it seems like both fit in this category.

thomas has never been questioned whether he will be an NFL player (not any more than every other player to enter NFL draft, no sure things). he has a ridiculously HUGE upside as a WR, but its pretty sure he will be atleast good.

tebow on the other hand...may never play. but it wont be to him not trying to become better, or not giving 100%. i think he will start here eventually because of that very reason. he just may not be good when he does, its such a huge question mark for what we gave up. dunno if i would have had the balls to do it, but mcdaniels does not care what anyone else thinks of his plan on building this team, and thats probably a good thing.

epicSocialism4tw
04-22-2010, 10:01 PM
This is a huge gamble by McX. I like Tebow the person, I'm just not sold on Tebow the nfl qb.

This kind of sums it up for me as well, although some people have convinced me further than what I had been previously.

I think that Tebow is a 1-2 year project that should be given time to assimilate the speed of the pro game. But the upside is enormous.

Most people think of Tebow as this nice, polite Christian guy, which he is. Very nice, genuine kid. But what people dont see as much is the toughness, grit, and brass-tacks passion. This kid is the QB equivalent of Brian Dawkins. He's a firebrand on a mission to victory. He doesnt take a single play off, he's always focused, and his head is always right where it needs to be. Dudes a warrior. Old school hard-nosed football player. Nagurski, Riggins, Bart Starr, Johnny U.

If Tebow puts it all together, he'll be one of the all-time greats and that's worth a shot with the 25th pick.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 10:01 PM
yea, this is a horrible guy. we should root against him and hope he fails.

The point is not whether he is a "good" guy. He seems like a very nice young man. Very religious, obviously. Good to his mom. Clean cut and kind to small animals. He's a regular Dudley DoRight. I was kind of hoping we would get a bunch of players who would help the Broncos win games, not just boost their morale with "niceness."

HAT
04-22-2010, 10:03 PM
McD is so amazing he made Broncos fans do a 180 against eachother. The doubters suck!!!

I see what you did there....
:thumbs:

tsiguy96
04-22-2010, 10:03 PM
The point is not whether he is a "good" guy. He seems like a very nice young man. Very religious, obviously. Good to his mom. Clean cut and kind to small animals. He's a regular Dudley DoRight. I was kind of hoping we would get a bunch of players who would help the Broncos win games, not just boost their morale with "niceness."

doubtful he does much this year to help them win games (say goodbye to brandstater too) but he has the upside and motivation, you have to understand why a guy took a risk on him. big risk though.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2010, 10:04 PM
I see what you did there....
:thumbs:

!Booya!

BroncoMan4ever
04-22-2010, 10:05 PM
This Clady is useless because Tebow is lefty talk is retarded

agreed. Regardless of the blind side of the QB now being flipped and Harris now in the position of blocking his blind side isn't that big of a deal because defenses still usually line up their best pass rusher over the LT regardless of which arm the QB throws with.

Clady is still a major need on this team regardless of who is behind center.

ColoradoBuff
04-22-2010, 10:06 PM
FAIL is not in Tebow's vocab.! He will give it everything he has....everything. His work ethic is light years better than Cutlers!

tsiguy96
04-22-2010, 10:07 PM
agreed. Regardless of the blind side of the QB now being flipped and Harris now in the position of blocking his blind side isn't that big of a deal because defenses still usually line up their best pass rusher over the LT regardless of which arm the QB throws with.

Clady is still a major need on this team regardless of who is behind center.

yep. the best pass rushers are almost always lined up over LT. they wont be getting past ours, so blind side or not, tebow will know which side he can roll to if he needs to.

baja
04-22-2010, 10:08 PM
I look at it this way. We took a flier on Tebow with huge upside but we got the picks left to pick up players in positions of need over the rest of the draft.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 10:09 PM
The point is not whether he is a "good" guy. He seems like a very nice young man. Very religious, obviously. Good to his mom. Clean cut and kind to small animals. He's a regular Dudley DoRight. I was kind of hoping we would get a bunch of players who would help the Broncos win games, not just boost their morale with "niceness."

OK, I agree with the reservations on this pick. I have them myself; I'm not crazy about the pick. But to pretend Tebow doesn't have an excellent skill set is flat out ignorant. I'm encouraged by the fact that he is a hard worker and smart guy, so his talent could be molded into a great NFL QB. McD took a guy who had not started a game since high school and molded him into a productive NFL QB. I'm not going to count him out with a QB who has the skill set of Tebow. That said, this pick will make or break him in Denver for sure.

Garcia Bronco
04-22-2010, 10:10 PM
we gave up a lot to get a guy who has a lot of question marks about his ability to play in NFL, and it may never be worth it. he has a lot of upside though, and his commitment to the game is the one thing we can count on.

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The numbers aren't even close. One player dominates. One player leaps screaming off the list, like Horshack on "Welcome Back Kotter" when he knew the answer to a question: “Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!”

That dominant individual, of course, is Player F. This quarterback:

* Was the most accurate of any of these six passers.
* Dominated the average per attempt category – our favorite number – by better than 1 yard per attempt over the No. 2 player on the list.
* Boasts a passer rating so sky high it defies description, nearly 20 full points better than the No. 2 player on the list.

Elsewhere, Player F was No. 2 in total TD passes – but easily No. 1 in TD pass percentage. Player F threw a TD on 8.9 percent of his pass attempts – easily outpacing Player A, who threw a touchdown on 6.6 percent of his pass attempts.

Finally, Player F protected the ball much better than any of the other quarterbacks on this list. Player F threw an interception on just 1.52 percent of attempts – easily outpacing Player C, who threw an interception on 2.60 percent of attempts. And you know what we've always told you: quarterbacks who throw picks lose games. Quarterbacks who don't throw picks win games.

Dying to know who they are, arentcha? Well, the numbers represent the college career stats of six of the greatest quarterbacks in the modern history of the SEC. Here goes:

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Player A is Peyton Manning. He played for Tennessee in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1998 draft.
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Player B is Tim Couch. He played for Kentucky in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1999 draft.
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Player C is Eli Manning. He played for Ole Miss in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2004 draft.
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Player D is JaMarcus Russell. He played for LSU in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 draft.
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Player E is Matt Stafford. He played for Georgia in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 draft.
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And, finally, Player F is Tim Tebow. He played for Florida and the SEC and will be far from the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 draft.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3171_A_tale_of_six_quarterbacks.html

uplink
04-22-2010, 10:10 PM
I think Tebow will play next year as the Eagles used Vick as a change-up. Probable with greater frequency. It will work well.

JCMElway
04-22-2010, 10:26 PM
Screw you Josh, 3 picks for a cheerleader.

Actually Herc, Denver did not spend that much to move up and get him. We moved up 18 slots into the first and acquired the Ravens 4th rounder. We then gave them our 2, 3, and 4th.

So basically we gave the Ravens our third rounder and moved down 5 picks in the 4th to get Tebow. I don't know if Tebow will be a sucessful QBOTF, but we didn't mortgage the farm to get him. Not a bad job by the FO as far as jockeying for draft position.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 10:28 PM
OK, I agree with the reservations on this pick. I have them myself; I'm not crazy about the pick. But to pretend Tebow doesn't have an excellent skill set is flat out ignorant. I'm encouraged by the fact that he is a hard worker and smart guy, so his talent could be molded into a great NFL QB. McD took a guy who had not started a game since high school and molded him into a productive NFL QB. I'm not going to count him out with a QB who has the skill set of Tebow. That said, this pick will make or break him in Denver for sure.

Do you believe he has better skills than Vince Young when VY came out of college?

521 1N5
04-22-2010, 10:28 PM
Class SoCal-

Welcome Tebow!!!

Orange4Life
04-22-2010, 10:29 PM
Actually Herc, Denver did not spend that much to move up and get him. We moved up 18 slots into the first and acquired the Ravens 4th rounder. We then gave them our 2, 3, and 4th.

So basically we gave the Ravens our third rounder and moved down 5 picks in the 4th to get Tebow. I don't know if Tebow will be a sucessful QBOTF, but we didn't mortgage the farm to get him. Not a bad job by the FO as far as jockeying for draft position.

I like this rational. Really we traded out of the 11 slot to pick up two late first round picks. Tebow has enough upside to justify taking a chance on this pick

DefensiveBehavior
04-22-2010, 10:30 PM
Why dont we all just beleive what that meth addict mel kiper thinks,and skip doing any real thinking of our own.... There is a chance this kid is a great football player...yet all of you want more garbage practice squad depth that would never make the field...right on. The real drag is we let the greatest WR talent since jerry rice slip to that scum bag jerry jones..

JCMElway
04-22-2010, 10:30 PM
This is a huge gamble by McX. I like Tebow the person, I'm just not sold on Tebow the nfl qb.

Agreed. It is a huge gamble. And if it doesn't work will likely cost McDaniels his job. But, I will not hate on McD until the fate of the Tebow pick is decided. I'm willing to wait the 5-7 years to see what happens.

For now, I will root for Denver, McD, and Tebow and hope McD is right. What I'm not going to do is throw a hissy fit, pull my hair, gnash my teeth, and roll around in ashes, assuming this pick will be a failure from the outset. There's a high amount of risk, but the reward is getting a franchise QB. We shall see.....

Kaylore
04-22-2010, 10:31 PM
Welcome Tebow! You're a good guy and a hard worker. You're going to need to be.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 10:33 PM
Do you believe he has better skills than Vince Young when VY came out of college?

In terms of raw ability? No, but he does have a lot. In terms of having the smarts and work ethic to succeed? Yes.

Lolad
04-22-2010, 10:33 PM
I think you could argue about who is better when both Harris and Clady are health. I get your point though.

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Did you seriously just say that Harris is on about even par with Clady, these McD's nut sack swingers just come up with the funniest ****.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 10:34 PM
Did you seriously just say that Harris is on about even par with Clady, these McD's nut sack swingers just come up with the funniest ****.

And the idiots like you who think that somehow this devalues Clady come up with some funny **** too.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 10:35 PM
I like this rational. Really we traded out of the 11 slot to pick up two late first round picks. Tebow has enough upside to justify taking a chance on this pick

Those picks had great value. Especially in this draft, and especially given all the help the Broncos need. This is a gamble on very long odds.

gunns
04-22-2010, 10:37 PM
I just got home about 30 minutes ago...so I didn't know about all the wheeling and dealing that went on until Khan called me. I'm going to have to analyze the value given up vs. the return....but I like Tebow purely in the abstract as a prospect to be developed (as I've noted in the last month). In terms of value.....from what Khan told me about the maneuvering....it doesn't sound very good at all (like last year, when they traded away alot of value). I have to look at the trades.

I saw we also took Thomas from GT. I remember he had a huge drop on the sideline early in the season against my Canes when GT was trying to come back and a big drop on 4th down vs. Georgia. Other than those two things I remember, I've been impressed with what I saw from him this past year. He's built well and hopefully his talents will be better used in a more pass oriented offense.

It really sucks that they are starting the draft on Thursdays now...I'm missing out on everything.

From what I understand the value of the picks is there. I just question the value of the pick. First round? Isn't a first rounder supposed to be in the lineup the first year or at worst, the second year? Will Tebow? Just feels like a Tommy Maddox pickup, without the HOF QB already established on the team. Thank heavens there is tomorrow.

2KBack
04-22-2010, 10:40 PM
Did you seriously just say that Harris is on about even par with Clady, these McD's nut sack swingers just come up with the funniest ****.

Did you just call BPC a McD nut-swinger? You don't come around here much do you?

epicSocialism4tw
04-22-2010, 10:42 PM
In terms of raw ability? No, but he does have a lot. In terms of having the smarts and work ethic to succeed? Yes.

That's what separates the two.

In college, Young was surrounded by fawning classmates, supportive alumni, and dedicated coaches. When he got to the NFL and had to earn his stripes, he had trouble handling the mental aspect of preparing to work your butt off everyday.

I dont know if thats going to be the case with Tebow.

dsmoot
04-22-2010, 10:42 PM
Tim Tebow is the ONE player I didn't want to the the Broncos draft, and we trade three picks for him. Suddenly, I don't mind studying in Maastricht and missing the Broncos season this year.

We will miss you

dsmoot
04-22-2010, 10:46 PM
McD has a set of titanium balls, there is no arguing that. And the guy has a plan and is executing that plan. I am excited to see if it works out, but at least the guy is trying to execute a plan. And he is restoring excitement to this team. This is not Jarvis Moss, Mo Clarett, Willie Middlebrooks type of random trash.

You can add Daryl Gardner, Dale Carter, Tim Crowder , Paul Tovessi (sp), to the list and I know I am forgetting a number of others from the last 10 years.

Lolad
04-22-2010, 10:46 PM
And the idiots like you who think that somehow this devalues Clady come up with some funny **** too.

Have I said it devalues him at all? NO!

I just think it's funny how somebody can claim he has the same skill set with Clady. And to those claiming the best pass rusher is usually lined up vs the LT, Doom moves around, A lot of teams moved their pass rushers around to get from Clady.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 10:46 PM
Here's a thought: When McD was coordinating the Pats in 2007, he ran a ton of shotgun spread offense. That was their base. Is that where McD is going? Is Royal fast enough to play the Welker type receiver? Now that McD has his big downfield presence in DThomas (Randy Moss?), does he intend to take the Broncos to the shotgun spread? Is this why he was so hot for Tebow?

SoCalBronco
04-22-2010, 10:47 PM
From what I understand the value of the picks is there. I just question the value of the pick. First round? Isn't a first rounder supposed to be in the lineup the first year or at worst, the second year? Will Tebow?

I agree with you that this was not the proper spot for him to be taken (I had argued a week or so ago that it would be an excellent investment in around the third round given the physical tools and work ethic). There's no disagreement, there, in terms of present player value and ranking of team needs (QB is ABSOLUTELY a top long term need, although in the short term they could have been adequate, but not special or even above average with the current crew...still other positions, interior OL, front seven were more immediately pressing). Now that I am reading more about the manuevering I would rather keep the quantity of picks rather than moving back up, since I generally value more picks. But I still think the acquisition of Tebow is great for long term QB value and upside. We overpaid for sure and reached at the spot, but I really like the player and we could easily strike it rich given the ceiling of the player. Josh has many faults, some of them rooted in arrogance, some of them rooted in inexperience and some of them rooted in management philosophy. One of his strengths, however, is getting good production out of QBs. Orton and Cassel are slightly better than garbage and he's able to make them serviceable players. With a guy like Tebow who can be a versatile threat as a dropback passer and as a runner, it's not unreasonable to say that he can be a star with two years of hard work.

I do agree with you as to value and picks, though, the more I am reading about it. I don't like the general type of manuevering we've engaged in the last two years in the draft. They have shown a disregard for picks in the sense that they're willing to piss away a bunch of them just to "get their guy". I don't like that philosophy. I'm a hoarder. I wouldn't give up a pick for an NFL veteran starter. :) I do like "their guy" this time, though. I am excited to watch Tim play for us. It WILL be rough for him for awhile. But his skill set is second only to Jake Locker in my opinion. Since we weren't going to get Locker next year, I'm happy to get Tebow this year.

There's alot of things to be optimistic about here even with an admitted loss in value:

a) He will not have to devote any practice time to the pitch relationship or other aspects of option play....he can work on the dropback game almost exclusively.
b) He will not be limited by the NCAA's 20 hour rule during the season. They can practice and practice and practice.
c) Tebow benefits Denver in the respect that the offense can now incorporate more of a play-action rollout game. They can move the pocket (ala 2003-2008) and force the backside end to respect the boot. Denver can also now incorporate more wrap plays and have the single back in the spread lead block for Tebow on designed QB draws. This guy can BOWL over people. He doesn't have to outrun LB's, he can run over them.
d) His presence will help the run game measurably.
e) His presence will help on the goalline. I look for Denver to incorporate the "jump pass" off the QB draw fake in that situation in particular.

Dutch
04-22-2010, 10:51 PM
You mean when people just let him do his thing because it worked?

He isn't Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford, guys who've had personal QB coaches since they where in their early teens. He's only just started to correct his motion and basically everyone around the NFL raved about the progress he's already made.

Hell, if you listen to Mike Mayock he thinks Tebow's release problems are wildly exaggerated except when on the run or under pressure, which is when the problems crop up. He has plus NFL arm strength even with a stilted throwing motion, some quality coaching and he could be very impressive.

Something to consider as to why we took him in the first round: A 2nd or 3rd rounder can only sign 3 or 4 year deals. A 1st rounder can sign a 5 or 6 year deal. We'll want that extra two years if Tebow pans out. If we thought he was worth taking in the early 2nd and therefore where already looking to leapfrog Buffalo (who apparently really wanted him) then the slight bit of extra compensation to get him in the first is worth the extra contract length, so that we have about 4 years of contract control after McDaniels tweaks and overhauls his game.

Thank you for showing some perspective in this. All I know Drek, is I live in SEC country. My younger Bro' is an LSU grad and all my buds here that are natives are Georgia nuts. I've watched him for a couple years and started as a doubter/hater (can't stand U Florida, respect the program and Myer...but thier fans are the worst!), but after three years of paying attention to him....all I can say is Dude is a gamer. Winner. Period. The one area I would be willing to compare him to John Elway would be in his ability to take over a game when his team needed it. Reminded me of watching John at Stanford. Tim had more talent around him, but he was also playing against the top defenses in the country week in and week out. 1 Heisman and 2 National championships were not a fluke. Dude is a competitor and a decent human being as well. I trust Josh's instincts here, there is probably no better skill set he owns than QB evaluation.

worm
04-22-2010, 10:52 PM
I predict Tebow will play in goal line situations this year....and score at least 3 touchdowns.

ludo21
04-22-2010, 10:55 PM
Our Goal line offense just instantly improved. Instantly.

AGREED.

We just added over 20 new plays on offense with this guy that we can use NOW! We got the time to let him develop with Orton/ Quinn battling for the number 1 spot.

We still have the normal allotted 7 picks, so people need to stop complaining about picks.

We will be just fine, and a better team with this and the Thomas move.

dsmoot
04-22-2010, 10:56 PM
doubtful he does much this year to help them win games (say goodbye to brandstater too) but he has the upside and motivation, you have to understand why a guy took a risk on him. big risk though.

Reminds me somewhat of what people thought in the early 60's with Roger Staubach. Everybody thought his game would not translate to the NFL despite a great college career. Landry was not sold on him even after his military commitments were up. I liked Craig Morton but Roger showed everyone that he could adapt his game and improve from college to the NFL. Simply said, Roger had the IT factor. I hope that Tim Tebow can make the same translate his game.

strafen
04-22-2010, 10:58 PM
Oh man this is like Christmas. A good guy and great leader. AND the Mane is going to melt down!I'm actually happy with that pick.
We needed a QB. We needed an impact player.
Tebow has the goods like

it's already been said.
We had nothing but bums at QB.
Brandstater reamins an unknown until we can see what kind of progress he's made. Ditto with Quinn.

Odd man out?
Orton. Thanks God!!!

JCMElway
04-22-2010, 11:00 PM
Weird, the NFL site is glitchy. It says here this is what the Broncos received in the trade:



Broncos receive:
» First-round pick (No. 25): Tim Tebow
» Fourth-round pick (No. 119)

But the 119 is erroneous. So, we gave up a 2nd and 3rd for Tebow. Well, if he becomes the face of the franchise, and a successful one, it's worth it. If not.....

Hulamau
04-22-2010, 11:00 PM
Do you think there was another team that would have taken Tebow in round 2

The reason we jumped back in the first for him is both the Bills in particular and quite possibly Cleveland were widely thought to be moving back in the first to nab him if we didnt.

Gutsy move by Josh. The thing is, Josh did his homework on the guy and had him in here twice for indepth one-on-one all day evaluations as well as extensive reviews at the combine and at his pro day.

IF, after all that, Josh was convinced enough to stake his repuation and job on the line for him then why the hell not go for it, get on the bus and see if he's right?

I have a hunch Josh knows a hell of alot more about what he wants in a QB than any one else typing on this board? And in this case, he wasnt taking someone else's hand me downs or trades to try to make the best of a situation.

This is a guy he targeted and went after 100% from the get go!

And that says something at least. Unlike Bradford, Tebow will have a decent Oline and solid WR core as well as two veteran QBs ahead of him to give him the luxury of learning his way and polishing his weaknesses before being thrown to the wolves.

Reminds me a little of the Rivers deal in San Diego where Philip had a couple years to get his act together to become a damn good QB.

Bottomline, I was mildly surprised at the pick and not so happy to have to trade back into the first, but after Weatherspoon and Graham were gone AND we had a stud WR in house with DT already, and after some smart trade downs earlier to build up the coin to make it happen and still insure we have enough picks to fill in our must needs the next two days in such a deep draft, I am more than willing to give Josh any benefit of the doubt on this one.

If he feels that strongly about Tebow, I'm going to support him all the way in trying to work his magic on him until its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it was a mistaken pick. Tebow is nowhere near as bad as a bunch of you guys think he is, that much I do know. Whether he can become a true stud at this level I'm not sure and it remains to be seen?

The areas he needs work on are all TEACHABLE and LEARNABLE areas at least and he has one of the best QB coachs anywhere to mold him and in a near ideal scenario for Tim ... what a score for Tebow! And the parts you cant teach like heart, passion and strenght, moxie, smarts and the will to win above all else he has in spades already.

Most of all, I like that Josh has some brass balls and is willing to go for what he believes in 100%, knowing he will catch flak for it from many corners. Maybe it does backfire on him and he winds up becoming an all world coach for another team in a decade from now?

But its also equally possible (if not more likely?) that this pick turns out to be the defining mark of a genius coach in the making that helps restore the glory years to Denver for the next 15 years?!

No one here will know for sure for at least two years. True, we did give up three valuable picks for him that we could have used to good value this year as well, and that is a pinch for sure ... no doubt and I fully understand those that are more concerned about what we might have lost in the bargain.

But nevertheless, at end of the draft we will still likely have roughly as many picks as we started out with this morning and still possibly will have nabbed a real franchise QB of the future in the process!? Not a bad roll of the dice if it works that way.

But IF and only IF Tebow turns into a franchise caliber QB for us for the long haul will it turn out to be a laughably small price to have paid. If it backfires the price will likely be Josh's job and he knows that and still has the confidence and conviction to pull the trigger, so how can you not support the guy until proven otherwise?

I dont know which it will turn out to be? And I do lament not getting Weatherspoon for one who I also really wanted. But I'm thrilled about D Thomas and wanted him even over Dez but didnt think he would be there when we chose a WR, and hopefully at least the Tebow pick for the future works out for us all in a big way. At least, by trading back twice, Josh loaded up enough to make it not such a painful cost compared to where we started the day. That was smart money management if nothing else.

Turns out Thomas was the WR Josh wanted most anyway as he was the first WR off the board, so we got the guy we wanted with our first pick. And a damn good one at that. Marshallesque in size and strenght but faster and with better hands though, not unlike Marshall as a rookie, needing a little more polish in his route running, which he will get. And apparently, without the Drama Queen quotient added on.

Here's hoping we get a decent LB, center, guard, and either RB/TE or DL the next two days to make this a very solid and surprising draft for 2010 and the years ahead?

However it turns out at least our coach isnt a p***Y!

Dutch
04-22-2010, 11:03 PM
Reminds me somewhat of what people thought in the early 60's with Roger Staubach. Everybody thought his game would not translate to the NFL despite a great college career. Landry was not sold on him even after his military commitments were up. I liked Craig Morton but Roger showed everyone that he could adapt his game and improve from college to the NFL. Simply said, Roger had the IT factor. I hope that Tim Tebow can make the same translate his game.

Dude, that is spooky. I was thinking about Roger talking to my Bro' while smoking 10 min ago.....weird. Oh, stranger yet my name is Dave Smoot. Doppleganger?!

Finger Roll
04-22-2010, 11:04 PM
He will be our slash for this year. I mean Pat White went into the second round last year

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 11:05 PM
The reason we jumped back in the first for him is both the Bills in particular and quite possibly Cleveland were widely thought to be moving back in the first to nab him if we didnt.

Gutsy move by Josh. The thing is, Josh did his homework on the guy and had him in here twice for inpdte one on one all day evaluations as well as extensive reviews at the combine and at his pro day.
IF after all that Josh was conviced enough to stake his repuation and job on the line for him than why the hell not go for it and see if he's right?

I have a hunch Josh knows a hell of along more about what he wants in a QB than any one else typing on this board? And in this case he wasnt taking someone elses hand me downs or trades to make the best of a situation.
This is a guy he targeted and went after 100%!

And that says something at least. Bradford Tevow will have a decent Oline and solid WR core as well as two veteran QBs ahead of him to give him the luxury of learning hisway and poslishing his weakenesses befoer beign thrown to the wolves.

Reminds me a little of the Rivers deal in San Diego where Philip had a couple years to get his act together to become a damn good QB.

Bottomline, I was mildly surprised athte pick and trading back into the first, but after Weatherspoon and Graham were gone AND we had a stud WR in house with DT already, and after some smart trade downs earlier to build up the coin to make it happen and still insure we have enough picks fill in our must needs the next two days in such a deep draft, I am more than willing to give Josh any benefit of the doubt on this one.

If he feels that strongly about Tebow, I'm going to suppoirt him all the way in trying to work his magic on him until itsproven beyond a shoadow of a doubt it was a mistaken pick. Tebow is no where near as bad as a bunch of you guys think he is, that much I do know. Whether he can become a true stud at this level remains to be seen?

The areas he needs work on are all TEACHABLE and LEARNABLE areas at leasrt and he has one of the best QB coachs anywher to mold him ... what a score for Tebow! And the parts you cant teach like heart and passion and strenght, moxie, smarts and the will to win above all else he has in spades already.

Most of all, I like that Josh has some brass balls and is willing to go for what he believes in 100%, knowing he will catch flak for it from many corners. Maybe it does backfire on him and he winds up becoming an all world coach for another team in a decade from now?

But its also equally possible (if not more likely?) that this pick turns out to be the defining mark of a genius coach in the making that helps restore the glory years to Denver for the next 15 years?!

No one here will know for sure for at least two years. True, we did give up three valuable picks for him tha we could have sued to good value this year as well. But sat tyeh end of the draft we will liley have roughly as many picks as we started out with this morning and still possibvle nabbed a franchise QB of teh future? Not a bad roll of the dice. But IF and only IF Tebow turns into a franchise caliber QB for us for the long haul will it turn out to be a laughably small price to have paid. If it backfiresthe price will liley be Joshs job and he knows that and still has the confidence and conviction to pull the trigger so how can you not support the guy until proven other wise?

I dont know which it will turn out to be? And I do lament not getting Weatherspoon for one who I also really wanted. But I'm thrilled about D Thomas and wanted him even over Dez, and hopefully at least the Tebow pick for the future works out for us all in a big way. At least, by trading back twice, Josh loaded up enough to make it not such a painful cost compared to where we started the day.

Turns out DT was the WR they wanted most anyway as he was the first WR off the board, so we got the guy we wanted with our first pick. And a damn good one at that. Marshallesque in size and strenght but faster and with better hands thoug hneeding a litle more polish ( as idd Marshall) in his route running which he will get. And apparently without the Drama Queen quotient added on.

Here's hoping we get a decent LB, center, guard, and either RB/TE or DL the next two days to make this a very solid and surprising draft for 2010 and the years ahead?

However it turns out at least our coach isnt a p***Y!

:rofl: Good post, I have to admit. He doesn't play his cards like Bat Masterson. More like Billy the Kid. He's gone all in on this one. We'll see if he has the cards to back it up.

strafen
04-22-2010, 11:06 PM
McDaniels just said on TV that the addition of Tebow will not affect the depth chart. He expects a heavy competition.

Translation:
Tebow will be the starter in 2010. Because of the criticism he received today which is reminiscent of the criticism he received last year for picking Sloshown Nogaino.
He once again will try to prove the critics wrong.
I hope this time he'd be able to.
Deja' vu!

Bob's your Information Minister
04-22-2010, 11:06 PM
Jason Whitlock just burned you guys:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/22/1896955/for-the-chiefs-berry-is-the-ideal.html

If Tim Tebow had legitimate NFL talent, you might compare him to Eric Berry.

mhgaffney
04-22-2010, 11:26 PM
Tebow has good arm strength.

In one video he flicked his wrist and made a 35 yard completion.

Doggcow
04-22-2010, 11:26 PM
Just got back, ALL IN FOR TEBOW

BroncosinDC
04-22-2010, 11:28 PM
You guys do realize that the 6lbs 8oz baby Jesus is now pulling for the Broncos? So we've got that going for us. Seriously screw it, the kids as big a crap shoot as anyone else is in the draft, but he brings us the baby Jesus...

You thought that tip last year in Cincy was awesome...wait til Tebow and Jesus toss that baby up there.

Xenos
04-22-2010, 11:30 PM
Personally, I can't wait for the eventual Tebow versus Rivers games. I have never met two QBs that are as similar as those two in their personality and how they behave. I personally can't wait for both cheerleaders to go at it on the field. Who will be the better trash talking Christian? The world will never know. In fact, the world might just implode from the sheer awesomeness of it all.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 11:45 PM
:rofl: Good post, I have to admit. He doesn't play his cards like Bat Masterson. More like Billy the Kid. He's gone all in on this one. We'll see if he has the cards to back it up.

This is the thing. I'm not crazy about picking Tebow in the 1st. But **** if McD can't build QBs. Cassel had not started a game since HS and McD made him a quality player in NE. Same with Orton in Denver. I'm not going to count him out on making a guy with the talent and work ethic of Tebow into a great player.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 11:47 PM
Jason Whitlock just burned you guys:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/22/1896955/for-the-chiefs-berry-is-the-ideal.html

Well, Whitlock has been proven an idiot time and time again. So, I'm not too concerned.

Archer81
04-22-2010, 11:49 PM
Personally, I can't wait for the eventual Tebow versus Rivers games. I have never met two QBs that are as similar as those two in their personality and how they behave. I personally can't wait for both cheerleaders to go at it on the field. Who will be the better trash talking Christian? The world will never know. In fact, the world might just implode from the sheer awesomeness of it all.


Actually, its prophesied the rapture would occur if such an event were to take place.

Trash talking Christians...

Rivers: I pray THEE, Tebow...

Tebow: No...I PRAY THEE, Rivers.

Rivers: Golly. That was uncalled for.

Tebow: God bless.

:Broncos:

Hulamau
04-22-2010, 11:50 PM
Jason Whitlock just burned you guys:

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/22/1896955/for-the-chiefs-berry-is-the-ideal.html

Coming from Whitlock that's a near lock endorsement of Tebow as a sure Hall of famer.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 11:52 PM
This is the thing. I'm not crazy about picking Tebow in the 1st. But **** if McD can't build QBs. Cassel had not started a game since HS and McD made him a quality player in NE. Same with Orton in Denver. I'm not going to count him out on making a guy with the talent and work ethic of Tebow into a great player.

In the interests of transparency I will come clean: I hated Elway when he came here. I thought what he pulled on Baltimore was some punk ass bull****. A couple of years later, in Cleveland, I got over it. ;D

Hulamau
04-22-2010, 11:53 PM
Tebow can do what he wants with his prayer parties or whatever as long has he doesnt shove it down everyone's throat ... and as long as he just wins games .... he's welcome whatever his beliefs.

At least doubt he'll be porking unwilling girls in the bar bathroom anytime soon.

Kid A
04-22-2010, 11:56 PM
Personally, I can't wait for the eventual Tebow versus Rivers games. I have never met two QBs that are as similar as those two in their personality and how they behave. I personally can't wait for both cheerleaders to go at it on the field. Who will be the better trash talking Christian? The world will never know. In fact, the world might just implode from the sheer awesomeness of it all.

I don't see it at all. I mean, both I guess are Christians, QBs, and get pretty animated on the field when their team scores. Otherwise, though, they seem pretty far apart in personality. Ask pretty much any football fans and they will agree Rivers gives off a bratty attitude and is well known for antagonizing other teams. I mean the guy was given the nickname Marmalard (after a douchebag character from Animal House) by Deadspin, And it's a perfect fit.

For all his "cheerleading" I don't think anyone has ever accused Tebow of trying to stir **** up or coming across as d-bag. Some might get a "holier than thou" vibe, but it's pretty different. All the Tebow jokes/nicknames revolve around how clean cut/"perfect" he is. I just don't see him engaging Rivers in any douchebaggery.

Baba Booey
04-22-2010, 11:58 PM
As a Miami fan I hate the guy, but I hope he can sway me otherwise. Let's see what you got, Timmy.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 11:59 PM
In the interests of transparency I will come clean: I hated Elway when he came here. I thought what he pulled on Baltimore was some punk ass bull****. A couple of years later, in Cleveland, I got over it. ;D

Ha! There you go. Hey, I have the same concerns you do. Not crazy about the pick. But McD has gotten a lot out of less talented guys than Tebow, so I'm not going to write this pick off just yet.

SouthStndJunkie
04-23-2010, 12:00 AM
I think one thing is obvious....McDaniels was not at all happy with Kyle Orton's play in 2009.

He traded for Brady Quinn and drafted Tim Tebow.

lostknight
04-23-2010, 12:01 AM
Tebow really could be the anti-cutler. I dismissed the concepts of intangibles, but the reality is, Jay Cutler simply didn't know how to lead or how to win, even though he had radical physical ability. Orton knows (or knew) how to win, but simply doesn't have the ability. Tebow might have the ability, and certainly knows how to win.

Statistics are important in evaluating a player over a college career. His statistics are nothing short of staggering. For that reason alone, it's worth taking a swing at.

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 12:03 AM
I think one thing is obvious....McDaniels was not at all happy with Kyle Orton's play in 2009.

He traded for Brady Quinn and drafted Tim Tebow.

I hope he calls Buffalo in the morning and tells them how wonderful Brady Quinn is. Worth a fifth rounder at least. :~ohyah!:

TheDave
04-23-2010, 12:05 AM
Wonder how much this had to do with future labor issues?

If 2011 is a strike/lockout shortened year that could give him a a full 2 seasons to iron out his mechanical issues.

Xenos
04-23-2010, 12:41 AM
I don't see it at all. I mean, both I guess are Christians, QBs, and get pretty animated on the field when their team scores. Otherwise, though, they seem pretty far apart in personality. Ask pretty much any football fans and they will agree Rivers gives off a bratty attitude and is well known for antagonizing other teams. I mean the guy was given the nickname Marmalard (after a douchebag character from Animal House) by Deadspin, And it's a perfect fit.

For all his "cheerleading" I don't think anyone has ever accused Tebow of trying to stir **** up or coming across as d-bag. Some might get a "holier than thou" vibe, but it's pretty different. All the Tebow jokes/nicknames revolve around how clean cut/"perfect" he is. I just don't see him engaging Rivers in any douchebaggery.
Dude, Tebow did actually the same things in college that people on this board were getting on Rivers' case for. I guess the main difference is that Rivers isn't as blatant obvious in his Christian beliefs as Tebow is. No bible scriptures anywhere on him.

skmoser
04-23-2010, 12:52 AM
tebow brings a competitor we havent had since elway. he is going to play to win with every ounce of his existence. at the very least it will rub off on his teammates in the huddle... i love the guy and im rooting for him to be a special player for us.

give him some time dont write him off just yet

Bronco CB40
04-23-2010, 12:59 AM
tebow brings a competitor we havent had since elway. he is going to play to win with every ounce of his existence. at the very least it will rub off on his teammates in the huddle... i love the guy and im rooting for him to be a special player for us.

give him some time dont write him off just yet

I think Tebow is just the guy to reunite the Broncos fan base and pull everybody back together.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-23-2010, 01:02 AM
tebow brings a competitor we havent had since elway. he is going to play to win with every ounce of his existence.

If only the scarecrow had a brain...

Bob's your Information Minister
04-23-2010, 01:04 AM
I think Tebow is just the guy to reunite the Broncos fan base and pull everybody back together.

Yes, now all of you seem to agree that McDaniels sucks.

Ratboy
04-23-2010, 01:20 AM
Now that I have had time to cool down and think about this move a little more..




**** YOU JOSH MCDANIELS, YOU ARE A PIECE OF ****. PAT BOWLEN SHOULD SUE YOU FOR RUINING HIS FRANCHISE.

OBF1
04-23-2010, 01:25 AM
Not according to Tim. Bowlen is gonna sell a ton of jersey to church youth groups.

As well as myself, BroncoChica and our kids. :thumbs:

2KBack
04-23-2010, 01:26 AM
that's rational

OBF1
04-23-2010, 01:27 AM
CBF1 aprroves of this move and welcomes Tim to Denver. This is a good day to be a Bronco's fan

OBF1
04-23-2010, 01:28 AM
Now that I have had time to cool down and think about this move a little more..




**** YOU JOSH MCDANIELS, YOU ARE A PIECE OF ****. PAT BOWLEN SHOULD SUE YOU FOR RUINING HIS FRANCHISE.

Spoken like a drunken sailor.... well done






NOT

easymobee
04-23-2010, 03:36 AM
Give the guy a chance. Read the article on the 1st page from coldhardfootball facts and relax. Don't act like Jack Lambert and Mike Webster were waiting to be plucked with the 2nd and 3rd rounder we gave up.We still started the night with 1 3rd and ended it with 2.

We started the night with 1 first , 2 seconds, and a third. We ended it with 2 firsts, 1 second, and 2 thirds. Don't see the big "mortgaging the future" panic there.

If you like the WR from GT and are satisfied with that pick, realize that tebows basic cost was swapping a 2nd for a 3rd. I actually wanted Bryant, but the one we got was 2nd on my.list over Benn and Tate by a mile.

Drek
04-23-2010, 04:10 AM
Do you believe he has better skills than Vince Young when VY came out of college?

As an athlete?

Not a doubt in my mind. People wrote Tebow off as an athlete when he ran a 4.71 40 yard dash, ignoring the fact that his 3 cone drill, 20 yard shuttle, 60 yard shuttle, and vertical jump would all rank in the top 5 for RBs or WRs in this draft class. He did that at 236. Tim Tebow might just be one of the 4 or 5 best athletes in this entire draft, who just happens to play QB. Just because he doesn't kill on a straight line 40 yard dash with a track start doesn't mean he doesn't have NFL speed.

As a QB?

Very similar. Young didn't have the windup, but he throws basically sidearm (negating a lot of that 6'5" height advantage). Young had the same issues with reading a defense because like Tebow he took off running if #1 or #2 weren't there.

But Vince Young was a top 5 pick and Tim Tebow was the 25th. Vince Young was forced on the field too soon with a bad team and Tim Tebow has two guys with starting experience (Orton and Quinn) in front of him to make damn sure he doesn't have to play unless McDaniels wants him to (which early on means situational play). Vince Young had questions about his maturity and mental abilities which where somewhat confirmed after his '08 meltdown. Tim Tebow is from an intangibles standpoint what every single team claims they want.

Is it a big roll of the dice? Sure is. It might blow up in McDaniels face completely. But I'd say its equally likely to pay off in a big way. If Tim Tebow refines his throwing mechanics you're talking about the most athletically well rounded QB since Elway who shows maturity, leadership, and toughness right out of the gate.

The Moops
04-23-2010, 04:22 AM
You can talk all you want about mechanics then look at the success of guys like Philip Rivers and ol' Bernie Kosar.

The bottom line is Tebow can flat-out play!

Doggcow
04-23-2010, 04:24 AM
You can talk all you want about mechanics then look at the success of guys like Philip Rivers and ol' Bernie Kosar.

The bottom line is Tebow can flat-out play!

Also, if anyone is going to overcome them and fix them... It's Tim Tebow.

rastaman
04-23-2010, 04:26 AM
I like the Tebow pick and immense potential upgrade at the QB position. Cry all you want just don't slap your woman around, fake injuries and become a game day suspension risk.

GOD HELP US!:wiggle:

rastaman
04-23-2010, 04:33 AM
Jay Cutler take note. THIS GUY has the mentality you want, you whiny punk.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1954/teblowhe8.jpg

rastaman
04-23-2010, 04:39 AM
I honestly can't say I love the pick, but I'm willing to give McD a chance to convert this high character guy into a polished NFL calibur QB. He has all the tangibles, leadership, passion, composure and competitiveness. Only thing he lacks? skillset as a QB.

I'm willing to give him a year or two. I reeeally hope he's the one.

Point is everyone agrees that Tebow is the type of guy you would like your daughter to marry......but he's hardly the talent to spend a first round draft pick on.

Moreno sure could have used an "Earth Moving" offensive lineman drafted in place of TEBOW!

rastaman
04-23-2010, 04:47 AM
FAIL is not in Tebow's vocab.! He will give it everything he has....everything. His work ethic is light years better than Cutlers!

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Feature-Tim-Tebow-R.jpg

rastaman
04-23-2010, 04:55 AM
McDaniels just said on TV that the addition of Tebow will not affect the depth chart. He expects a heavy competition.

Translation:
Tebow will be the starter in 2010. Because of the criticism he received today which is reminiscent of the criticism he received last year for picking Sloshown Nogaino.
He once again will try to prove the critics wrong.
I hope this time he'd be able to.
Deja' vu!

Yep Egomaniac McDuffus has tried to prove he's the smartest person in the room!:wiggle:

rastaman
04-23-2010, 04:57 AM
Personally, I can't wait for the eventual Tebow versus Rivers games. I have never met two QBs that are as similar as those two in their personality and how they behave. I personally can't wait for both cheerleaders to go at it on the field. Who will be the better trash talking Christian? The world will never know. In fact, the world might just implode from the sheer awesomeness of it all.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8kh9ioLxHkk/SWfhbXzkxAI/AAAAAAAAAGU/uF8zZnmEuTw/s1600/tebow-christ2.jpg

rastaman
04-23-2010, 04:59 AM
I predict Tebow will play in goal line situations this year....and score at least 3 touchdowns.

And that's all we will have to show for first round QB!!!! A glorified RED ZONE FB!!! Ha!

epicSocialism4tw
04-23-2010, 05:27 AM
And that's all we will have to show for first round QB!!!! A glorified RED ZONE FB!!!

Bronco fandom just got really hard for you.

Its okay. Tebow likes you anyway. Ha!

jhns
04-23-2010, 07:08 AM
Well I don't know what to think of the picks yet (still only one round) but I think it is funny that everyone whines that I say Orton isn't cutting it. You guys say McDaniels knows more about QBs than me. This is the common first defense. Guess what? He just agreed with me. I don't know that his new QB is good but you don't take first round QBs if you are happy with the current one. Now are you guys going to argue that McDaniels doesn't know what he is doing?

dbfan21
04-23-2010, 07:09 AM
Welcome to Denver, Tim!! :thumbs:

rmsanger
04-23-2010, 07:22 AM
Tim Tebow =

http://huskerextra.com/content/articles/2008/10/25/football/doc4902472c3ad75269451194.jpg

http://www.mkrob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tommie-frazier.jpg

Ray Finkle
04-23-2010, 07:22 AM
Now that I have had time to cool down and think about this move a little more..




**** YOU JOSH MCDANIELS, YOU ARE A PIECE OF ****. PAT BOWLEN SHOULD SUE YOU FOR RUINING HIS FRANCHISE.

RTIB, you gutless drunk!

it's been a while since someone said that....ah....

ColoradoDarin
04-23-2010, 07:24 AM
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/Rasta.jpg

jhns
04-23-2010, 07:26 AM
Tim Tebow =

http://huskerextra.com/content/articles/2008/10/25/football/doc4902472c3ad75269451194.jpg

http://www.mkrob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tommie-frazier.jpg

How dare you speak such blasphemy. Tebow is not good enough to be mentioned with this legend.

TotallyScrewed
04-23-2010, 07:29 AM
Check out this article

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3171_A_tale_of_six_quarterbacks.html

Okay article until you tell me that Payton Manning's success had everything to do with the likes of Joey Kent, Marcus Nash and Peerless Price.

rmsanger
04-23-2010, 07:33 AM
How dare you speak such blasphemy. Tebow is not good enough to be mentioned with this legend.

1000 apologies.. My intent was to point out the similar success the 2 had/will have at the pro level and not to compare the two at the college level.

Nebraska's teams in the 90's were legend/epic!

orangemonkey
04-23-2010, 07:38 AM
Well I don't know what to think of the picks yet (still only one round) but I think it is funny that everyone whines that I say Orton isn't cutting it. You guys say McDaniels knows more about QBs than me. This is the common first defense. Guess what? He just agreed with me. I don't know that his new QB is good but you don't take first round QBs if you are happy with the current one. Now are you guys going to argue that McDaniels doesn't know what he is doing?


You were right all along IMO. McD dug himself a pretty big hole by shipping out Cutler/BMarsh. With Quinn/Thomas/Tebow, he may just have a shot at digging himself out of this mess. No friggen way was he ever going to hitch his wagon short/long term to Kyle Orton. With the glaring holes on both lines, these picks are pretty telling.

I like the Tebow pick because it all but guarantees that Orton will be out of here sooner than later. Nice!

Steve Sewell
04-23-2010, 07:49 AM
How do you know he can't read a defense? He made the reads necessary for the offense at Florida. He has the brains to pick up an NFL offense, I believe. My big question is, can he develop the mechanics to be a top NFL QB? You are right about the release. Gruden seems confident he can rework the release. McDaniels apparently believes so, too. I hope he is right.

Yeah but Taco John doesn't believe it, and that is all that matters.

Hulamau
04-23-2010, 07:55 AM
Wonder how much this had to do with future labor issues?

If 2011 is a strike/lockout shortened year that could give him a a full 2 seasons to iron out his mechanical issues.

Good point Dave, but I think Josh thinks he can get him ready by next year and put him to good use this year as a wild horses option and short yardaged QB even if he rarely runs it... no one on 3rd or 4th and 1 is having to account for Kyle running it ... much less making it if he did run.

Steve Sewell
04-23-2010, 07:56 AM
The real drag is we let the greatest WR talent since jerry rice slip to that scum bag jerry jones..

oh god :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Momentum
04-23-2010, 08:01 AM
Now that I have had time to cool down and think about this move a little more..




**** YOU JOSH MCDANIELS, YOU ARE A PIECE OF ****. PAT BOWLEN SHOULD SUE YOU FOR RUINING HIS FRANCHISE.

I agree and I liked McDaniels.

But falling for the Tim Tebow because he's a nice kid?

Its hard to be a Bronco fan right now.

****ing ridiculous.

bronclvr
04-23-2010, 08:07 AM
I'll take a winning attitude, desire, work ethic and good values any day of the week. I'm not going to blindly say that Josh knows what he's doing, because I'm still trying to figure him out, but I like this pick-tebow has the potential to be a huge player for us, and I believe that Josh can be the one to do it-color me impressed-:strong:

Hulamau
04-23-2010, 08:10 AM
You were right all along IMO. McD dug himself a pretty big hole by shipping out Cutler/BMarsh. With Quinn/Thomas/Tebow, he may just have a shot at digging himself out of this mess. No friggen way was he ever going to hitch his wagon short/long term to Kyle Orton. With the glaring holes on both lines, these picks are pretty telling.

I like the Tebow pick because it all but guarantees that Orton will be out of here sooner than later. Nice!

No one is arguing that Josh doesn't know what he is doing... And your argument presumes again that the Cutler fiasco was a measured decision to dump Cutler from the get go, which it wasnt. Cutler cut his own throat and revealed clearly he was going to be a problem child for Josh but that only made the difficult parting a bit easier knowing he was a self-centered cry baby to begin with .. even though a cry baby with a million dollar arm and a 50 cent brain on the other end.

Orton is a good serivcable QB and I truly think Josh feels he can pull a lot more from Kyle this year as well. Orton has many solid attributes, smarts a plenty, doesnt rattle easily is pretty accurate on the short to mid range balls Doesn't throw a ton of picks etc.

But he does lack some key mobility and his long ball is never going to be misdtake for Elway. I think Josh feels he can win with Kyle, but it might take everything else being in top form. With Tebow if he can mold him into his image of a well rounded franchise QB as apparently he is convinced he can given a year or two ... a guy like Tebow can bring so many intangibles to the table too and offers the kind of broken play improvised options to make things happen that is so key to pulling out wins at times in this league. Specially in tight games and the playoffs.

I think that is why Josh went all in for Tim when he saw that he had the chance. But keep in mind Josh didnt pick Orton or Brady Quinn from scratch. They were the best options for the cost paid at the time and Josh is trying to make the best of all of them by creating a fierce and intense QB competition here to bring the best out of all of them.

At the very least, one of them is likely to emerge the clear winner and we wilkl get a solid backupo in the process. The other two will wind up elsewhere over the next two years in all likelihood. And as much, as I like Orton in spite of his few weaknesses, I don't rule Brandstater out as being one of the two survivors ... nor Brady Quinn.

Should be very interesting but Tebow, while a gamble in some ways, is in an ideal situation to flourish. Certainly is worth the shot if he can become THE GUY here.

randomtask
04-23-2010, 08:15 AM
Only the top 16 can sign 6 year deals, Tebow can only sign a 5 year contract and I doubt the extra year is worth shipping out a 3rd and 4th round pick, hell that kind of value gets you Anquan Boldin.

Just like people let Marcus Thomas and Jarvis Moss and Derrick Harvey do their thing because it worked and how many of those highly touted Floriday players are doing well in the NFL today? You have another thing coming if you think playing for a good team in Florida equates to NFL success.

Tebow had to reinvent his throwing motion, the single most important thing he does in order to get considered for the NFL, how many running backs are drafted in the 1st round who had to reinvent the way they run prior to the draft? Do you want to tell me that is not a problem? the guy works as hard as anyone and yet this is something he couldn't manage to do in 10 years, despite having a pro style QB coach for his senior year in Florida hired ONLY to fix it and he couldn't. Unless Tebow does some serious work on his mechanics he will be the nicest guy who ever failed misserably in the NFL because that low getoff point and the long windup is okay against Duke but against San Diego that **** gets you knocked so deep into the turf you can taste Thai food from the other side.

Chris Johnson, he never ran inside in college. Always bounced everything outside. He turned out pretty good.

Just sayin'.

Steve Sewell
04-23-2010, 08:30 AM
Well I don't know what to think of the picks yet (still only one round) but I think it is funny that everyone whines that I say Orton isn't cutting it. You guys say McDaniels knows more about QBs than me. This is the common first defense. Guess what? He just agreed with me. I don't know that his new QB is good but you don't take first round QBs if you are happy with the current one. Now are you guys going to argue that McDaniels doesn't know what he is doing?

The argument is that Cutler is not as good as you claim him to be, using an average QB like Orton as a comparison to prove the point.

Dagmar
04-23-2010, 08:46 AM
You guys will calm down in a few days and learn to love the move. I love Josh McDaniels and his GIGANTIC balls.

Rabb
04-23-2010, 08:52 AM
I agree and I liked McDaniels.

But falling for the Tim Tebow because he's a nice kid?

Its hard to be a Bronco fan right now.

****ing ridiculous.

yes because I am sure he is the only one in the war room, the final decision maker with all things players and picks and he doesn't have to talk to Bowlen or Xanders about anything

give me a break, people putting any of this completely on McD just don't know how anything works

idiot lemmings

Cleo McDowell
04-23-2010, 08:53 AM
You guys will calm down in a few days and learn to love the move. I love Josh McDaniels and his GIGANTIC balls.

you love.. wait, too easy...

Welcome Tim Tebow.. Didn't know what to think, didn't want him as our first pick.. but now its all said and done, Welcome.

At least we know God is now a bronco fan. maybe some mile high magic returns.

Cito Pelon
04-23-2010, 09:02 AM
Reminds me somewhat of what people thought in the early 60's with Roger Staubach. Everybody thought his game would not translate to the NFL despite a great college career. Landry was not sold on him even after his military commitments were up. I liked Craig Morton but Roger showed everyone that he could adapt his game and improve from college to the NFL. Simply said, Roger had the IT factor. I hope that Tim Tebow can make the same translate his game.

That's an interesting comparison, I like it.

jhns
04-23-2010, 09:02 AM
The argument is that Cutler is not as good as you claim him to be, using an average QB like Orton as a comparison to prove the point.

Riiight. Showing that Orton did way worse here than Cutler, with 2 extra years in the league, sure proves that! No one ever argues with me about he fact that Orton didn't play good and isn't cutting it... Suuuure. Nice try on the spin though.

Anyways, McDaniels says I am right. Our QB play was not good last season.

jhns
04-23-2010, 09:04 AM
yes because I am sure he is the only one in the war room, the final decision maker with all things players and picks and he doesn't have to talk to Bowlen or Xanders about anything

give me a break, people putting any of this completely on McD just don't know how anything works

idiot lemmings

Wait a minute. Did you just call others idiots as you claim the head coach doesn't have final say on this team? LOL Good stuff.

Cito Pelon
04-23-2010, 09:13 AM
Give the guy a chance. Read the article on the 1st page from coldhardfootball facts and relax. Don't act like Jack Lambert and Mike Webster were waiting to be plucked with the 2nd and 3rd rounder we gave up.We still started the night with 1 3rd and ended it with 2.

We started the night with 1 first , 2 seconds, and a third. We ended it with 2 firsts, 1 second, and 2 thirds. Don't see the big "mortgaging the future" panic there.

If you like the WR from GT and are satisfied with that pick, realize that tebows basic cost was swapping a 2nd for a 3rd. I actually wanted Bryant, but the one we got was 2nd on my.list over Benn and Tate by a mile.

Good points.

Requiem
04-23-2010, 09:20 AM
Tebow's class, fiery attitude and desire and love for the game is second to none. It will take some time for him to develop as a quarterback, but I hope he can come in right away and make some sort of impact on the team offensively.

I was a lot less frustrated than I thought I'd be. I expected this to happen. I'm just really miffed we gave up a lot of value, perhaps more than we actually acquired in order to trade down and then back up for these guys. That is why I said a dip from our spot to #24 would be troublesome, and it proved to be correct.

Denver essentially gave up more than they got through their trades this off-season and regardless of what people said, they got caught in a pickle when their board fell to **** since they jumped from #11 to #13 to #24. (Then back up to #22, WTF? -- and then trading a 2, 3 and 4 to grab Tim.)

We have three more early picks, and I'm pleased with that. I'd be interested in seeing what we can pull off today. I wonder if we'll have less or more than three selections tonight. Time will only tell.

I just hope Tebow works out, I like the Thomas pick.

Tombstone RJ
04-23-2010, 09:21 AM
This kind of sums it up for me as well, although some people have convinced me further than what I had been previously.

I think that Tebow is a 1-2 year project that should be given time to assimilate the speed of the pro game. But the upside is enormous.

Most people think of Tebow as this nice, polite Christian guy, which he is. Very nice, genuine kid. But what people dont see as much is the toughness, grit, and brass-tacks passion. This kid is the QB equivalent of Brian Dawkins. He's a firebrand on a mission to victory. He doesnt take a single play off, he's always focused, and his head is always right where it needs to be. Dudes a warrior. Old school hard-nosed football player. Nagurski, Riggins, Bart Starr, Johnny U.

If Tebow puts it all together, he'll be one of the all-time greats and that's worth a shot with the 25th pick.

Let's hope this is the case. The more I read about Tebow, the more I like him. Certainly, McD thinks he can work with Tebow and we all know Tebow has a real passion for the game.

Even if you don't like the pick (like me, think it was too soon), you have to be excited about the possibility of Tebow leading the Broncos.

Rohirrim
04-23-2010, 09:22 AM
I absolutely love the gamble that Josh took. It was breathtakingly ballsy and will be talked about for years. But, like I said in another thread, I always feel uneasy when I see Ozzie Newsome walking off with a pocket full of our picks and a smile on his face. But that's just me.

Steve Sewell
04-23-2010, 09:25 AM
Riiight. Showing that Orton did way worse here than Cutler, with 2 extra years in the league, sure proves that! No one ever argues with me about he fact that Orton didn't play good and isn't cutting it... Suuuure. Nice try on the spin though.

Anyways, McDaniels says I am right. Our QB play was not good last season.

Orton did way worse last year? What evidence do you have to support that claim?

Oh yeah, that's right...none. ROFL

TonyR
04-23-2010, 09:30 AM
Then back up to #22, WTF?

It was mentioned in a couple other threads that the Ravens were considering making a move for Thomas, and then traded out with Denver at 25 because he was their target.

jhns
04-23-2010, 09:32 AM
Orton did way worse last year? What evidence do you have to support that claim?

Oh yeah, that's right...none. ROFL

Good comeback. You really got me there!

Then I remembered that 800 yards we lost. I remembered how we were great on 3rd down and then sucked last season. I remembered 6 more TDs from the QB that went away. I remembered how we suddenly had to use the punter a ton. I remebered how when Orton replaced Cutler, our line just all of the sudden had a ton of problems. I remembered how this named Royal actually looked like a starting NFL receiver. I remembered how we had the franchises worst ever defense and finished the same as an Orton led team that had a top half of the league defense.

You are right though. There is no evidence because this is all moot after Cutler hurt your feelings.

strafen
04-23-2010, 09:37 AM
Let's hope this is the case. The more I read about Tebow, the more I like him. Certainly, McD thinks he can work with Tebow and we all know Tebow has a real passion for the game.

Even if you don't like the pick (like me, think it was too soon), you have to be excited about the possibility of Tebow leading the Broncos.What were you saying about Tebow before we grabbed him?
I need to check your posts to see if you're one of those guys that swings with the wind...

Requiem
04-23-2010, 09:44 AM
It was mentioned in a couple other threads that the Ravens were considering making a move for Thomas, and then traded out with Denver at 25 because he was their target.

Well, that does make sense then. I wasn't around a computer last night and didn't get to see any of our selections made because I was at a party. I expected Thomas to go off the board around that time. Thanks for the information.

baja
04-23-2010, 10:01 AM
If Shanahan had done this everyone would be saying "The mastermind strikes again"

Fans meet the real mastermind in Denver - Josh McDaniels

Cito Pelon
04-23-2010, 10:11 AM
Tebow's class, fiery attitude and desire and love for the game is second to none. It will take some time for him to develop as a quarterback, but I hope he can come in right away and make some sort of impact on the team offensively.

I was a lot less frustrated than I thought I'd be. I expected this to happen. I'm just really miffed we gave up a lot of value, perhaps more than we actually acquired in order to trade down and then back up for these guys. That is why I said a dip from our spot to #24 would be troublesome, and it proved to be correct.

Denver essentially gave up more than they got through their trades this off-season and regardless of what people said, they got caught in a pickle when their board fell to **** since they jumped from #11 to #13 to #24. (Then back up to #22, WTF? -- and then trading a 2, 3 and 4 to grab Tim.)

We have three more early picks, and I'm pleased with that. I'd be interested in seeing what we can pull off today. I wonder if we'll have less or more than three selections tonight. Time will only tell.

I just hope Tebow works out, I like the Thomas pick.

From all I've read and heard, Denver didn't lose much in terms of draft points with all the trades. At the worst it was the equivalent of losing a sixth-rounder. They did a good job working their way down and up.

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Jesus Christ, calm the **** down man. Or kill yourself. One of the two.

cartel
04-23-2010, 10:44 AM
i think this is mcdaniel's plan with him. he will sit behind orton and quinn for two years. orton has two years to take us deep into the playoffs and quinn will be a solid backup learning the system as will tebow. if orton doesn't win, he's out and quinn will battle tebow to start. the tebow era begins. mcdaniels isn't going anywhere for a while. let's say he goes 9-7 and 8-8 the next two years, do you think bowlen fires him? nope.

Requiem
04-23-2010, 10:48 AM
From all I've read and heard, Denver didn't lose much in terms of draft points with all the trades. At the worst it was the equivalent of losing a sixth-rounder. They did a good job working their way down and up.

I'm talking more in regards to the value we did acquire. Personally, I'd rather have the picks we gained through trading back then using them to move back up and grab Tebow. That was my point. :wiggle:

azbroncfan
04-23-2010, 10:51 AM
Who is going to be the first LB to get run over by Tebow? I like that Tebow is built to take a beating at the next level and athletic enough to scramble around and make plays. Maybe he is the solution to the short yardage wows Denver has had. Tebow QB sneak.

LonghornBronco
04-23-2010, 10:54 AM
Interesting

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5080617&categoryid=null

broncoblue
04-23-2010, 10:55 AM
was shocked when i woke to this this morning...but its a masterstroke or masterbaiter..time will tell,in t5he meantime welcome aboard.

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Jesus Christ, calm the **** down man. Or kill yourself. One of the two.

Surprise surprise. 6X8 isn't talking about anything just about having someone on ignore.

RaiderH8r
04-23-2010, 11:03 AM
You guys will calm down in a few days and learn to love the move. I love Josh McDaniels and his GIGANTIC balls.

Mangenius went to Mangina pretty f'ing quick in NY. McKid is setting up for epic failure.

go_broncos
04-23-2010, 11:06 AM
Big mistake by Bowlen in getting Mcd.
If i am the owner, i will never take anyone from Bellicheck staff.
They seem to be arrogant and look lost on draft day.

azbroncfan
04-23-2010, 11:25 AM
Mangenius went to Mangina pretty f'ing quick in NY. McKid is setting up for epic failure.

Except Mangina built a pretty good base in NY before he got the axe.

WABronco
04-23-2010, 11:26 AM
I'm just pumped about what's ahead. I have MORE REASONS to be jacked about the Broncos now, in both Tebow and Thomas.

Just imagine what it's going to be like the first time Tebow takes the field. Ya it probably won't be as a QB, maybe it'll be a gimmick play...whatever. But just imagine him trucking into the endzone on a goal-to-go. Invesco will collapse. I'll be jacked. The team will be jacked.

There's a lot of positives to glean from this late first round pick. If McDaniels didn't think Tebow could be a contributor, well then it goes without saying. I'm just pumped to have a reason for excitement, for now and in the future. I love the two players we added. Exciting times.

EDIT: huge Tebow hater btw...but strangely was not all that upset at the notion before we picked him or the feeling after we picked him.

Archer81
04-23-2010, 11:27 AM
Big mistake by Bowlen in getting Mcd.
If i am the owner, i will never take anyone from Bellicheck staff.
They seem to be arrogant and look lost on draft day.


Shut up dude.

Seriously.

:Broncos:

WABronco
04-23-2010, 11:29 AM
Tebow's class, fiery attitude and desire and love for the game is second to none. It will take some time for him to develop as a quarterback, but I hope he can come in right away and make some sort of impact on the team offensively.

I was a lot less frustrated than I thought I'd be. I expected this to happen. I'm just really miffed we gave up a lot of value, perhaps more than we actually acquired in order to trade down and then back up for these guys. That is why I said a dip from our spot to #24 would be troublesome, and it proved to be correct.

Denver essentially gave up more than they got through their trades this off-season and regardless of what people said, they got caught in a pickle when their board fell to **** since they jumped from #11 to #13 to #24. (Then back up to #22, WTF? -- and then trading a 2, 3 and 4 to grab Tim.)

We have three more early picks, and I'm pleased with that. I'd be interested in seeing what we can pull off today. I wonder if we'll have less or more than three selections tonight. Time will only tell.

I just hope Tebow works out, I like the Thomas pick.

Word up!

Ah I thought we played the draft like a BOSSSSS. Moved back to get great value on Thomas, then moved back in late for Tebow. Lovin' it...because we still have THREE solid picks.

Popps
04-23-2010, 11:30 AM
Word up!

Ah I thought we played the draft like a BOSSSSS. Moved back to get great value on Thomas, then moved back in late for Tebow. Lovin' it...because we still have THREE solid picks.

Yea, I was actually pleased to look at see what picks we have left after all of that movement. 2 3rds is sweet.

This is going to be a fun draft when all is said and done. Controversial, but fun.

outdoor_miner
04-23-2010, 11:40 AM
Interesting

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5080617&categoryid=null

Thanks for posting that. I'm officially excited. He may be a tremendous bust, but I'm excited for now. :)

Archer81
04-23-2010, 11:43 AM
Yea, I was actually pleased to look at see what picks we have left after all of that movement. 2 3rds is sweet.

This is going to be a fun draft when all is said and done. Controversial, but fun.


Draft should be fun. It should get people excited. I think we end up with more than 3 players taken today.

Just a thought.

:Broncos:

Archer81
04-23-2010, 11:44 AM
From all I've read and heard, Denver didn't lose much in terms of draft points with all the trades. At the worst it was the equivalent of losing a sixth-rounder. They did a good job working their way down and up.


The value given up and taken in return was like 766-766. We did not lose much, and ended up with the same number of picks we started the day with, plus two players the Broncos wanted.

Win.

:Broncos:

ColoradoDarin
04-23-2010, 11:58 AM
Draft should be fun. It should get people excited. I think we end up with more than 3 players taken today.

Just a thought.

:Broncos:

If there's a lockout next year, why wouldn't you trade, say, one of our 2nds for a player today?

The converse to that is if there is a lockout, the draft will be pushed off a year and be deeper then too. Eh, I go with the first statement.

Cito Pelon
04-23-2010, 12:05 PM
I'm talking more in regards to the value we did acquire. Personally, I'd rather have the picks we gained through trading back then using them to move back up and grab Tebow. That was my point. :wiggle:

Sure, they gave up some value to get back into the 1st for Tebow. We'll see how it pans out. Tebow is certainly an intriguing prospect. He can throw, he can run, he's teachable. OTOH . . . . . . . . .

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Jesus Christ, calm the **** down man. Or kill yourself. One of the two.

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[x] B

Hulamau
04-23-2010, 12:12 PM
you love.. wait, too easy...

Welcome Tim Tebow.. Didn't know what to think, didn't want him as our first pick.. but now its all said and done, Welcome.

At least we know God is now a bronco fan. maybe some mile high magic returns.

He wasnt our first pick

2KBack
04-23-2010, 12:19 PM
I'm just pumped about what's ahead. I have MORE REASONS to be jacked about the Broncos now, in both Tebow and Thomas.

Just imagine what it's going to be like the first time Tebow takes the field. Ya it probably won't be as a QB, maybe it'll be a gimmick play...whatever. But just imagine him trucking into the endzone on a goal-to-go. Invesco will collapse. I'll be jacked. The team will be jacked.

There's a lot of positives to glean from this late first round pick. If McDaniels didn't think Tebow could be a contributor, well then it goes without saying. I'm just pumped to have a reason for excitement, for now and in the future. I love the two players we added. Exciting times.

EDIT: huge Tebow hater btw...but strangely was not all that upset at the notion before we picked him or the feeling after we picked him.

My name is 2KBack, and I approve this post

Hulamau
04-23-2010, 12:29 PM
Big mistake by Bowlen in getting Mcd.
If i am the owner, i will never take anyone from Bellicheck staff.
They seem to be arrogant and look lost on draft day.

Numbskull alert

Whether you agree with the Tebow pick or not, the last thing you can say about Josh is that "he looks lost on draft day"! Josh knew exactly what he wanted and executed some pretty deft trading to get it and still come out with 7 picks in the top 6 rounds as we started with. Including bagging TWO first rounders.

We got both DThomas and Tebow about as cheaply as they were going to come with the Bills and Cleveland being very interested in jumping back into the first to grab Tebow and also with Belichek having his eye on D Thomas as well.

The Tebow pick will remain controversial until he either proves the neasayers wrong or crashes and burns .. either way no one is going to know for sure for a couple years at least.

But in the meantime, I suspect he will steadily begin converting more and more people to at least support him ( as well as Josh) and give them both the benefit of the doubt along the way.

I too was counting on grabbing a few extra good players early on, but we still have some solid picks ahead, we got a very promising replacement for Marshall and likely the best WR in the draft, long-term, who just may turn out to be a better over all WR and scorer of TDs than Marshall without (hopefiully) so much immature drama queen act.

Phi beta kappa posts like the one above make me eternally grateful that Einsteins such as yourself are a million miles removed from anything remotely like a decision making capacity with the Broncos!

Carry on with your diatribe.

Kid A
04-23-2010, 12:34 PM
Numbskull alert

Whether you agree with the Tebow pick or not, the last thing you can say about Josh is that "he looks lost on draft day"! Josh knew exactly what he wanted and executed some pretty deft trading to get it and still come out with 7 picks in the top 6 rounds as we started with. Including bagging TWO first rounders.


This exactly. The fact we hear reports the Bills were just about to jump in and get Tebow at the very least shows McD knew exactly when we needed to get in if we wanted him. We also picked the first WR in the draft, so there can be no arguing that it was a fall back pick or that we didn't play it right.

This wasn't just us dicking around up and down the board and randomly choosing a spot to take Tebow and Thomas. We traded around more than any other team I believe, and it looks like it worked how they wanted. Whether those were good picks remains to be seen, but we pretty much translated our #11 into two later firsts on players they obviously targeted. I would say Josh executed the draft about as perfectly as he could have hoped given the players he wanted.

RaiderH8r
04-23-2010, 12:36 PM
I'll say one thing for sure, east coast media bias or not, McKid made Denver the talk of the NFL for two days at least. At least. I suspect a lot of eyes are going to be on this squad in the coming years. For better or worse, our exposure is going way up.

Dagmar
04-23-2010, 12:38 PM
My name is 2KBack, and I approve this post

I agree, I plan on being at Invesco for the home opener, if he sees the field the place will EXPLODE.

This is a great move for the whole organization.

2KBack
04-23-2010, 12:45 PM
I agree, I plan on being at Invesco for the home opener, if he sees the field the place will EXPLODE.

This is a great move for the whole organization.

Aside from the kids raw football talent, it cannot be argued that he is not one of the most magnetic sports personalities in recent memory. The potential reward of this kid being successful is immeasurable. This kid has "face of the NFL" written all over him.

I would like to point out that I am also very anti-religion, and while I experience a tick or two at some of the statements he says, I am 100% in this kids corner. I will always support hard work, courtesy and integrity...even if i have to endure a little extra god talk. I just wanted to get that in before the holy wars about tebow haters being anti-christian.

Dagmar
04-23-2010, 01:17 PM
Aside from the kids raw football talent, it cannot be argued that he is not one of the most magnetic sports personalities in recent memory. The potential reward of this kid being successful is immeasurable. This kid has "face of the NFL" written all over him.

I would like to point out that I am also very anti-religion, and while I experience a tick or two at some of the statements he says, I am 100% in this kids corner. I will always support hard work, courtesy and integrity...even if i have to endure a little extra god talk. I just wanted to get that in before the holy wars about tebow haters being anti-christian.

Rep. I agree with every word.

epicSocialism4tw
01-10-2012, 11:38 AM
bump!

bronco militia
01-10-2012, 11:43 AM
kick ass!

Rohirrim
01-10-2012, 11:53 AM
bump!

Curious to hear your rationale for this bump...

epicSocialism4tw
01-10-2012, 11:54 AM
Curious to hear your rationale for this bump...

I wanted to see who bolted when we drafted Tebow.

TonyR
01-10-2012, 11:57 AM
My top two takeaways from this thread:

1) jhns being excited that McD agreed with him

2) happiness that rastaman is no longer around (although I am wondering if one of our new obnoxious posters is a possible reincarnation)

MplsBronco
01-10-2012, 12:05 PM
Curious to hear your rationale for this bump...

What's the matter? Paranoid at how stupid you sound within it?

Rohirrim
01-10-2012, 12:07 PM
What's the matter? Paranoid at how stupid you sound within it?

I see no issues with my comments on this thread.

Anyway, I couldn't sound as stupid as you even if you coached me.

This is nothing more than another tiresome drama llama troll thread.

KO5K
01-10-2012, 12:12 PM
Bingo.

In three years, Tebow is out of the NFL.

I see no issues with my comments on this thread.

Anyway, I couldn't sound as stupid as you even if you coached me.

This is nothing more than another tiresome drama llama troll thread.


That's why you're mad, Hilarious!.

Rohirrim
01-10-2012, 12:13 PM
That's why you're mad, Hilarious!.

Has it been three years? ;D

Archer81
01-10-2012, 12:13 PM
Reading rasta's posts makes my head hurt.

The dumb****.

:Broncos:

MplsBronco
01-10-2012, 12:18 PM
I see no issues with my comments on this thread.

Anyway, I couldn't sound as stupid as you even if you coached me.

This is nothing more than another tiresome drama llama troll thread.

I used to like you and your takes until you told me to F%%K off in the game day thread on Christmas Eve (very classy from one of the oldtimers), but now you've become a tiresome blowhard on here. You should probably just shut up a bit and stop talking like you know everything.

"The point is not whether he is a "good" guy. He seems like a very nice young man. Very religious, obviously. Good to his mom. Clean cut and kind to small animals. He's a regular Dudley DoRight. I was kind of hoping we would get a bunch of players who would help the Broncos win games, not just boost their morale with "niceness."

Mogulseeker
01-10-2012, 12:22 PM
Tim Tebow is the ONE player I didn't want to the the Broncos draft, and we trade three picks for him. Suddenly, I don't mind studying in Maastricht and missing the Broncos season this year.

I was wrong.

jhns
01-10-2012, 12:23 PM
My top two takeaways from this thread:

1) jhns being excited that McD agreed with him

2) happiness that rastaman is no longer around (although I am wondering if one of our new obnoxious posters is a possible reincarnation)

Excited? More like laughing at you Orton fans as even your favorite coach didn't like him as much as all of you. What makes it really funny is that McDaniels is an idiot and still had that right. It says a lot about those who kept defending Orton.

Anyways, you done hating Tebow yet?

Ray Finkle
01-10-2012, 12:24 PM
I feel like I was racing home with the ****s.....I made it to the house and thought I was safe (the Thomas pick) but got so happy I jumped up and down and **** my paints (Tebow)....boo

I was slightly off.....unless I had been taking Ambien....

Rohirrim
01-10-2012, 12:26 PM
I used to like you and your takes until you told me to F%%K off in the game day thread on Christmas Eve (very classy from one of the oldtimers), but now you've become a tiresome blowhard on here. You should probably just shut up a bit and stop talking like you know everything.

"The point is not whether he is a "good" guy. He seems like a very nice young man. Very religious, obviously. Good to his mom. Clean cut and kind to small animals. He's a regular Dudley DoRight. I was kind of hoping we would get a bunch of players who would help the Broncos win games, not just boost their morale with "niceness."

Sorry you're butthurt. Toughen up. Feel free to post all my posts on this thread, rather than just cherry pick. Get the full picture out there. Perhaps you could find other threads where I missed on draft picks? Use the Forum Search function. Of course, then you should also balance it out with the picks I did okay on. I accepted my imperfection long ago, so that doesn't upset me too much.

But that's not what this thread is all about anyway. This thread is just more drama llama bull**** coming to the forum and saying "What can I do to stir up some trouble today?" It's his calling.

epicSocialism4tw
01-10-2012, 12:44 PM
Sorry you're butthurt. Toughen up. Feel free to post all my posts on this thread, rather than just cherry pick. Get the full picture out there. Perhaps you could find other threads where I missed on draft picks? Use the Forum Search function. Of course, then you should also balance it out with the picks I did okay on. I accepted my imperfection long ago, so that doesn't upset me too much.

But that's not what this thread is all about anyway. This thread is just more drama llama bull**** coming to the forum and saying "What can I do to stir up some trouble today?" It's his calling.

Why do you keep trolling this thread?

Rohirrim
01-10-2012, 12:48 PM
Why do you keep trolling this thread?

So your rationale for bumping this thread was, "I wanted to see who bolted when we drafted Tebow?"

You could have just read it and gotten that info.

Archer81
01-10-2012, 12:59 PM
So your rationale for bumping this thread was, "I wanted to see who bolted when we drafted Tebow?"

You could have just read it and gotten that info.


I've noticed you get a little sore when people bump old threads. Why is that?


:Broncos:

Rohirrim
01-10-2012, 01:05 PM
I've noticed you get a little sore when people bump old threads. Why is that?


:Broncos:

Depends on the motive.

jhns
01-10-2012, 01:07 PM
Depends on the motive.

You mean it depends on how dumb you look in the thread...

It is always the same motive. People see what was said at another time. If you can't deal with what was said, you probably shouldn't have said it.

Rohirrim
01-10-2012, 01:09 PM
You mean it depends on how dumb you look in the thread...

It is always the same motive. People see what was said at another time. If you can't deal with what was said, you probably shouldn't of said it.

I guess nobody will ever have to bump your threads. You just keep saying the same thing over and over and over...