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montrose
04-22-2010, 08:41 AM
FYI, ESPN is stationing Werder in Denver and not Dallas for the draft.

* Broncos have not been afraid to be creative and make the bold move. After talking with McDaniels in his office yesterday, Werder expects that trend to continue.

* Broncos could use any combination of the 6 picks they have in rounds 1 and 2 over the next two years in today's 1st round. Werder expects the Broncos to be very aggressive.

* The Broncos would like to move down from #11. They've had conversations with the Giants, Packers and Eagles as those teams have targeted players.

* The Broncos have a number of players they like below the 11th spot which is expensive as it comes with a $30 million contract, $18 of which is guaranteed.

* If the Broncos move back, Werder expects them to try and re-enter the bottom of the 1st round if one of their targets is still available.

Pseudofool
04-22-2010, 08:49 AM
Why would the broncos need to move back into the first round after trading down? Is Werder suggesting we'll target two players at the end of the first round?

Archer81
04-22-2010, 08:52 AM
Werder is still alive?

Wow.

:Broncos:

LonghornBronco
04-22-2010, 08:52 AM
Thats how I read it.

GoBroncos84
04-22-2010, 08:53 AM
If they can move back and trade back in, getting two firsts, and end up with mcclain pouncey or pouncey iupati that'd be amazing

listopencil
04-22-2010, 08:53 AM
Why would the broncos need to move back into the first round after trading down? Is Werder suggesting we'll target two players at the end of the first round?

I think he is talking about what we would take for the pick. As in, if we give away our first, it would be for a lower first plus more rather than getting out of the first round entirely.

bronco militia
04-22-2010, 08:53 AM
Why would the broncos need to move back into the first round after trading down? Is Werder suggesting we'll target two players at the end of the first round?

I think he's saying the broncos are willing to trade out of the 1st round

NFLBRONCO
04-22-2010, 08:53 AM
I can see McD and company trading up it's their mo. I just wish we use all our picks.

bronco militia
04-22-2010, 08:58 AM
.....................and then waste another first rounder to move back into the 1st ;D

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 08:59 AM
I could see them trading down with the Iggles and then using one of their seconds, plus next year's Dolphin's second to trade back up.

bpc
04-22-2010, 08:59 AM
I still think Denver is working on the cheap with a Clippers type model.

It’s not lost on me that Pat Bowlen is hurting for money, PSL’s and luxury ticket sales are down in Denver and we’ve managed to trade away a high 1st round pick this year (Seattle pick, guaranteed money), contemplating trading back from our higher 1st this year (more guaranteed money), have offed Mike Shanahan (7 million + guaranteed per year), and managed to trade our top two players in Jay Cutler/Brandon Marshall, who both got top10 money for their positions in new places.

If we end up taking an OLB pass rusher in round 1 or 2, I’m pretty certain that Elvis Dumervil will be gone in the next year as he’s on a RFA contract right now. Mark my words.

Pony Boy
04-22-2010, 09:03 AM
I think he's saying the broncos are willing to trade out of the 1st round

I can see the logic in trading down, but will it suck to hear them announce that tonight and we don't get any action until tomorrow. All dressed up and no place to go.....

bronco militia
04-22-2010, 09:06 AM
I can see the logic in trading down, but will it suck to hear them announce that tonight and we don't get any action until tomorrow. All dressed up and no place to go.....

blame the new nfl format...so far I hate it :cuss::thumbsdow

my son has band concert tonight so I'll get home in time to watch the avs and thats about it.

montrose
04-22-2010, 09:10 AM
I still think Denver is working on the cheap with a Clippers type model.

This.

Steve Sewell
04-22-2010, 09:12 AM
I still think Denver is working on the cheap with a Clippers type model.

Itís not lost on me that Pat Bowlen is hurting for money, PSLís and luxury ticket sales are down in Denver and weíve managed to trade away a high 1st round pick this year (Seattle pick, guaranteed money), contemplating trading back from our higher 1st this year (more guaranteed money), have offed Mike Shanahan (7 million + guaranteed per year), and managed to trade our top two players in Jay Cutler/Brandon Marshall, who both got top10 money for their positions in new places.

If we end up taking an OLB pass rusher in round 1 or 2, Iím pretty certain that Elvis Dumervil will be gone in the next year as heís on a RFA contract right now. Mark my words.

I don't know about the Broncos, but it's pretty obvious that your shrink is working on the cheap.

Popps
04-22-2010, 09:23 AM
The Broncos have a number of players they like below the 11th spot which is expensive as it comes with a $30 million contract, $18 of which is guaranteed.

Holy ****.

Trade the **** out of there. No one at #11 is worth that risk this year.

Again, you trade down... and up... and get the two premiere interior OL prospects.

Put a real structure in place before you start overspending on skill position guys. Pittsburgh has won a couple of SBs lately without having to break the bank.

We're attempting to build the core of the team properly... something we haven't done in ages.

The Joker
04-22-2010, 09:55 AM
The Broncos have a number of players they like below the 11th spot which is expensive as it comes with a $30 million contract, $18 of which is guaranteed.

Holy ****.

Trade the **** out of there. No one at #11 is worth that risk this year.

Again, you trade down... and up... and get the two premiere interior OL prospects.

Put a real structure in place before you start overspending on skill position guys. Pittsburgh has won a couple of SBs lately without having to break the bank.

We're attempting to build the core of the team properly... something we haven't done in ages.

Or without having anything that could be called a good O-Line, it must be said.

I'm not trying to say improving the line wouldn't be a good idea, because obviously we saw last year that it needs work.

I just worry that people are getting a bit of tunnel vision and thinking that if we don't land Pouncey or Iupati then this draft will have been a disappointment. I know it was painful watching our interior O-Line at times last year, but we need to draft with more of a long-term view of things rather than going in with a "Damn our center and left guard sucked last year, let's do everything we can to get the best prospects at each spot" approach.

There should be plenty of players available on Day 2 that could provide long term answers at center or guard if we don't get either of the marquee names. We have plenty of other spots on our roster that could use upgrades, not just O-Line, and I hope we find the best player we can for our team regardless of position.

underrated29
04-22-2010, 09:57 AM
more like we want to trade down for pouncey and then back up for tebow.


If pounce is gone look for tebow then cody, then benn.....unless spoon, graham, odrick, bryant are somehow miraculasly there.

NFLBRONCO
04-22-2010, 10:01 AM
Or without having anything that could be called a good O-Line, it must be said.

I'm not trying to say improving the line wouldn't be a good idea, because obviously we saw last year that it needs work.

I just worry that people are getting a bit of tunnel vision and thinking that if we don't land Pouncey or Iupati then this draft will have been a disappointment. I know it was painful watching our interior O-Line at times last year, but we need to draft with more of a long-term view of things rather than going in with a "Damn our center and left guard sucked last year, let's do everything we can to get the best prospects at each spot" approach.

There should be plenty of players available on Day 2 that could provide long term answers at center or guard if we don't get either of the marquee names. We have plenty of other spots on our roster that could use upgrades, not just O-Line, and I hope we find the best player we can for our team regardless of position.

Exactly I agree 100%

Jerry Curl
04-22-2010, 10:07 AM
ESPN let's Ed Werder out of Dallas?

diehardbroncosfan
04-22-2010, 10:09 AM
I still think Denver is working on the cheap with a Clippers type model.

Itís not lost on me that Pat Bowlen is hurting for money, PSLís and luxury ticket sales are down in Denver and weíve managed to trade away a high 1st round pick this year (Seattle pick, guaranteed money), contemplating trading back from our higher 1st this year (more guaranteed money), have offed Mike Shanahan (7 million + guaranteed per year), and managed to trade our top two players in Jay Cutler/Brandon Marshall, who both got top10 money for their positions in new places.

If we end up taking an OLB pass rusher in round 1 or 2, Iím pretty certain that Elvis Dumervil will be gone in the next year as heís on a RFA contract right now. Mark my words.

I just don't see it. I know we've traded away three players that have wanted more money, but I've got to believe that attitude/ off the field issues played at least a part of those decisions. Also, if Bowlen really were hurting for money, he wouldn't have fired Shanahan and would have let him finish out his contract instead of paying another head coaches salary on top of his.

baja
04-22-2010, 10:14 AM
I could see them trading down with the Iggles and then using one of their seconds, plus next year's Dolphin's second to trade back up.

It's almost even money we will use that 2011 2nd rd pick this year some how.

lostknight
04-22-2010, 10:16 AM
I like the value we get at 11. Knowshon and Clady in years past.

But I agree with bpc's point of view. The Broncos are clearly trading away talent for money.

Beantown Bronco
04-22-2010, 10:23 AM
Also, if Bowlen really were hurting for money, he wouldn't have fired Shanahan and would have let him finish out his contract instead of paying another head coaches salary on top of his.

Because of the way his contract is structured in Washington, he's only paying half of what Mike was owed originally, which means that amount + what he's paying McD is actually LESS than the $7 mil he would've had to pay Shanny this year alone.

diehardbroncosfan
04-22-2010, 10:25 AM
Because of the way his contract is structured in Washington, he's only paying half of what Mike was owed originally, which means that amount + what he's paying McD is actually LESS than the $7 mil he would've had to pay Shanny this year alone.

While that's interesting and a good point, at the time Bowlen fired Shanahan, it was no guarantee he was going to come back into coaching anytime soon, so it at the very least he was prepared to pay two head coaches salaries at once.

baja
04-22-2010, 10:28 AM
Because of the way his contract is structured in Washington, he's only paying half of what Mike was owed originally, which means that amount + what he's paying McD is actually LESS than the $7 mil he would've had to pay Shanny this year alone.

I never understood that. Why does Bowlen have to pay anything. He has another job with a different team. It's nor like he is unemployed.

BroncoInferno
04-22-2010, 10:29 AM
I still think Denver is working on the cheap with a Clippers type model.

McD has spent a good bit of money both years of free agency, so I don't see it.

TonyR
04-22-2010, 10:29 AM
I just don't see it. I know we've traded away three players that have wanted more money, but I've got to believe that attitude/ off the field issues played at least a part of those decisions. Also, if Bowlen really were hurting for money, he wouldn't have fired Shanahan and would have let him finish out his contract instead of paying another head coaches salary on top of his.

Good points. I think money was an issue with both Cutler and Marshall not because they couldn't pay them but because they didn't want to pay them. And if they don't pay Dumervil it will be because they don't think he's worth the kind of money he'll command, but he'll be a more difficult decision than Cutler and Marshall.

Beantown Bronco
04-22-2010, 10:30 AM
While that's interesting and a good point, at the time Bowlen fired Shanahan, it was no guarantee he was going to come back into coaching anytime soon, so it at the very least he was prepared to pay two head coaches salaries at once.

Yes, so long as the new coach was an entry level coach like McD making the minimum. It's somewhat telling that he didn't even pretend to have an interest in the big money crew of Cowher, Billick, etc.

Popcorn Sutton
04-22-2010, 10:30 AM
I never understood that. Why does Bowlen have to pay anything. He has another job with a different team. It's nor like he is unemployed.

Coaches have guaranteed contracts... Romeo Crennel is another example. Cleveland is still paying him, even though he is now the D Coordinator at KC.

TonyR
04-22-2010, 10:31 AM
McD has spent a good bit of money both years of free agency, so I don't see it.

There's that, too. And he hasn't skimped on the coaching staff, either. Nolan probably wasn't "cheap", for example.

TonyR
04-22-2010, 10:32 AM
...Cowher, Billick, etc.

Neither of whom, still, don't have NFL coaching jobs.

That One Guy
04-22-2010, 10:33 AM
I'm thinking Broncos have enough guys they'd happily take in the 1st that they're gonna milk it as long as they can then move back up if the players start to fall off. If it's true that Tebow, Bryant, one of the OLBs, etc would be a satisfactory pick then they may just be gambling and trying to gauge their fall. So I'm thinking if it's worth it, they'll trade entirely out of the 1st with the intention of trading back in on the low side with less money allotted and more draft picks than if they'd taken those same targets at 11.

Popps
04-22-2010, 10:33 AM
Or without having anything that could be called a good O-Line, it must be said..

Well, they've been a good rushing team... and if you think back to our last SB run, we had an OL for the ages.

Particularly when you're unsure if you're going to be able to land a blue-chip QB soon, you've got to be able to protect whoever is back there... and open up running lanes.

We need guys suited to our scheme, and we're in a perfect position to land a couple of very valuable pieces to the core of our team by grabbing 2 OL early.

That said, of course... I'll never complain if we look to bolster the front 7 or DL instead. But, Clady was arguably the most valuable pick this team has made in 10 years. Duplicating that on the interior line would be a very good thing.

baja
04-22-2010, 10:39 AM
Coaches have guaranteed contracts... Romeo Crennel is another example. Cleveland is still paying him, even though he is now the D Coordinator at KC.

Fine than they should not be able to coach for another team while "under contract"with a competing team.

worm
04-22-2010, 10:40 AM
Saints at 32 want to trade down.

I could see Josh jumping back to that spot.

Personally I want to trade down from #11 then take the Bronco Billy GM phone away from him.

diehardbroncosfan
04-22-2010, 10:40 AM
Good points. I think money was an issue with both Cutler and Marshall not because they couldn't pay them but because they didn't want to pay them. And if they don't pay Dumervil it will be because they don't think he's worth the kind of money he'll command, but he'll be a more difficult decision than Cutler and Marshall.

I definitely agree that money played a part in the Marshall/Cutler decisions. Team management didn't want to risk it on Marshall with all of the potential for off-field drama and with Cutler it was probably too early to offer him an extension when he hadn't gotten us anything more than an 8-8 record.

And, while I really do hope (and think) we give Dumervil a lucrative contract, as I feel he has definitely earned one, I could see a situation where he could cost too much money due to the market.

montrose
04-22-2010, 11:17 AM
Update

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broncosteven
04-22-2010, 11:33 AM
Update

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Herm actually made sense.

Broncojef
04-22-2010, 11:36 AM
Thanks montrose.

PRBronco
04-22-2010, 11:40 AM
I'd like to know why people think Bowlen is pinching pennies. Doesn't he have oil money?

SoDak Bronco
04-22-2010, 11:41 AM
josh and Xanders def. have a lot of doubters out there with his trading away of players...I think the plan is going to be much more clear after today and friday.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-22-2010, 11:44 AM
I'd like to know why people think Bowlen is pinching pennies. Doesn't he have oil money?

Isn't it obvious that he is? Plus, i think he has real estate money, right?

Hercules Rockefeller
04-22-2010, 12:01 PM
Jesus. F that if McD thinks all 1sts and 2nds over the next 2 years are on the table.

Beantown Bronco
04-22-2010, 12:08 PM
Jesus. F that if McD thinks all 1sts and 2nds over the next 2 years are on the table.

Why shouldn't they be? By all accounts, next year's draft will be significantly weaker than this one and there may not even be football in 2011, so you may as well get guys in there this year when there definitely IS football.

gtown
04-22-2010, 12:15 PM
We aren't on a Clippers model. We are simply doing what Patriots West is expected to do - get as many picks in the parts of the draft that have historically offered the most value - which is the latter half of the first, and the second round.

Look at what the Patriots East are doing. They have a handful of picks in the sweetspot. They aren't dumb. This is the best draft in a long time. We have players coming out that are projected as 3rd rounders who would be given 1st round grades next year.

baja
04-22-2010, 12:18 PM
Like I predicted a year ago everyone is referring to Denver's coach as just "Josh".

I like it.

Play2win
04-22-2010, 12:18 PM
What about trading the 2 2nd rounders we got from the Marshal deal (this year and next year), for a first this year?

Isn't that what we originally wanted for Marshal anyway?

I'm not saying this is what I want, but I wouldn't hate it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-22-2010, 01:56 PM
I still think Denver is working on the cheap with a Clippers type model.

Itís not lost on me that Pat Bowlen is hurting for money, PSLís and luxury ticket sales are down in Denver and weíve managed to trade away a high 1st round pick this year (Seattle pick, guaranteed money), contemplating trading back from our higher 1st this year (more guaranteed money), have offed Mike Shanahan (7 million + guaranteed per year), and managed to trade our top two players in Jay Cutler/Brandon Marshall, who both got top10 money for their positions in new places.

If we end up taking an OLB pass rusher in round 1 or 2, Iím pretty certain that Elvis Dumervil will be gone in the next year as heís on a RFA contract right now. Mark my words.

If this is the case (which I believe it is), then McD is earning points with Bowlen.

cutthemdown
04-22-2010, 02:03 PM
Why would the broncos need to move back into the first round after trading down? Is Werder suggesting we'll target two players at the end of the first round?

I think he's saying Broncos would like to do what they did last yr and have 2 first round picks.

Drop from 11 to say the 20's and pick up an extra pick. Then use that pick and one of the 2nd rounders etc etc to jump back into the first round and get another targeted player.

Broncos could end up with 2 picks in the first round but both of them would be in the 20's or 30's etc etc.

cutthemdown
04-22-2010, 02:07 PM
Posters like BPC convinced Broncos will jettison every good player is pretty amusing. Bowlen has enough money and the Broncos still a profitiable team. In the top 10 of NFL teams. He has money to resign any player he wants to keep.

Doom will get a new contract...I have faith that the Broncos make decisions based on what is best for team.

Cutler and Marshal were talented but really not much for team leaders IMO. I think once good players show they are good people, and good Broncos, they will start getting long term deals like Broncos used to do.

fdf
04-22-2010, 02:16 PM
I just worry that people are getting a bit of tunnel vision and thinking that if we don't land Pouncey or Iupati then this draft will have been a disappointment.

Don't worry. It happens every year. About 1/3 of the poster have already zeroed in on their pick. If we don't take that guy, they go ballistic.

This year, with the draft all spread out, the drama will be in slower motion. Either that, or it will have more time to build up a head of steam before the next round.