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Denver724
04-21-2010, 06:25 PM
I've been told that Philly is likely to move up to Denver's spot tomorrow... lots of stuff floating out there right now.

He also has up tonight's mock draft.

http://www.movethesticks.com/

Caveat Lector
04-21-2010, 06:29 PM
I've been told that Philly is likely to move up to Denver's spot tomorrow... lots of stuff floating out there right now.

He also has up tonight's mock draft.

http://www.movethesticks.com/

Sounds good. That'll get us another 2nd and put us in ideal 1st round position for Pouncey/Iupati...

tsiguy96
04-21-2010, 06:29 PM
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I would be shocked if the Broncos ending up selecting at 11... I've had 4-5 different sources say they are bailing out of there

yep.

Br0nc0Buster
04-21-2010, 06:32 PM
that would be nice actually
the jump from 24 to 11 is worth approximately the 39th pick in the draft
Eagles have the 37th

We could send them our first and like a 6th for their first and a their second and value wise that would be equal

Rabb
04-21-2010, 06:34 PM
His podcast is fantastic

LRtagger
04-21-2010, 06:34 PM
would love a trade down for an additional second especially in this draft.

UberBroncoMan
04-21-2010, 06:36 PM
that would be nice actually
the jump from 24 to 11 is worth approximately the 39th pick in the draft
Eagles have the 37th

We could send them our first and like a 6th for their first and a their second and value wise that would be equal

I'm all for this. We're going to be able to get some awesome picks in the 2nd round. If we get that pick we're going to have 3 2nd round picks that aren't even below the halfway mark. It will be awesome.

DBroncos4life
04-21-2010, 06:36 PM
Perfect location for Tim Tebow.

Broncosfreak_56
04-21-2010, 06:36 PM
that would be nice actually
the jump from 24 to 11 is worth approximately the 39th pick in the draft
Eagles have the 37th

We could send them our first and like a 6th for their first and a their second and value wise that would be equal

That would be awesome.

Steve Sewell
04-21-2010, 06:39 PM
I've been told that Philly is likely to move up to Denver's spot tomorrow... lots of stuff floating out there right now.

He also has up tonight's mock draft.

http://www.movethesticks.com/

This draft is going to freakin' epic for Denver.

Archer81
04-21-2010, 06:43 PM
So...we would have the 24th, 37th, 43rd and 45th picks?...I approve of this. Make it so.

And a gut feeling is telling me Tebow is a Bronco tomorrow.

:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
04-21-2010, 06:56 PM
So...we would have the 24th, 37th, 43rd and 45th picks?...I approve of this. Make it so.

And a gut feeling is telling me Tebow is a Bronco tomorrow.

:Broncos:

I hope so. McD would earn lots of respect from me if he did. Not that he cares about that though Hilarious!

elsid13
04-21-2010, 06:57 PM
If that leaves Denver with Gronkowskiand Thomas I would be excited about our skills positions.

TheDave
04-21-2010, 06:57 PM
That would be a great trade if it happened...

Steve Sewell
04-21-2010, 06:58 PM
I hope so. McD would earn lots of respect from me if he did. Not that he cares about that though Hilarious!

Oh come on, everyone knows he's trying earn the respect of go_broncos, jhns, mock, rastaman, BroncoBuff, TheReverend, and company.

UberBroncoMan
04-21-2010, 07:07 PM
I've been told that Philly is likely to move up to Denver's spot tomorrow... lots of stuff floating out there right now.

He also has up tonight's mock draft.

http://www.movethesticks.com/

So if we don't trade down he has us taking... E. Thomas FS Texas... seriously? If anything that's Bailey's spot in the future with McBath taking over for Dawkins.

Rabb
04-21-2010, 07:11 PM
Perfect location for Tim Tebow.

I don't know if you were joking or not but I am actually coming around on this kid

after seeing him on the Gruden QB show, he is the kind of player I want

Lestat
04-21-2010, 07:14 PM
i hope not since that would mean we took him #24 overall.

So...we would have the 24th, 37th, 43rd and 45th picks?...I approve of this. Make it so.

And a gut feeling is telling me Tebow is a Bronco tomorrow.

:Broncos:

Archer81
04-21-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't know if you were joking or not but I am actually coming around on this kid

after seeing him on the Gruden QB show, he is the kind of player I want


I was watching NFL Network today, they had a Tebow segment, and Casserly was talking about not using a top 3 round pick on him...but he wins. If the Broncos are in a reconstuction mode, and will not be a consistent playoff team until 2011...would it be a horrible thing to pick Tebow and let him sit?

Something to think about.

:Broncos:

Popps
04-21-2010, 07:16 PM
Never seen a draft were fans were so unified on this board on the idea of moving down.

Count me in. Except, I'd like to move down just far enough (and up) to get both of the premiere OL candidates.

bap454
04-21-2010, 07:19 PM
woooohooooo!! I hope it goes down, we should have someone left to pick from Pouncey, Graham, Spoon, ,Iupati, Dez(if he falls), and worst case scenario Tebow (in that order). All guys that we were almost certain to consider at #11 anyway.

Tombstone RJ
04-21-2010, 07:19 PM
I was watching NFL Network today, they had a Tebow segment, and Casserly was talking about not using a top 3 round pick on him...but he wins. If the Broncos are in a reconstuction mode, and will not be a consistent playoff team until 2011...would it be a horrible thing to pick Tebow and let him sit?

Something to think about.

:Broncos:

I just don't see the Broncos taking Tebow. McD is shining people on with his praise of Tebow. The reality of the situation (in my head of course) is that McD loves Tebow the football player but not Tebow the QB.

If Tebow drops to like the 3rd round then maybe, maybe McD takes him. But Tebow won't drop that far.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-21-2010, 07:22 PM
Not a surprise, they're just in too good of a spot. Guys who might fall aren't necessarily at need positions and trading down puts them in a spot to where the guys who fill need positions for the Broncos should start being taken.

Archer81
04-21-2010, 07:24 PM
I just don't see the Broncos taking Tebow. McD is shining people on with his praise of Tebow. The reality of the situation (in my head of course) is that McD loves Tebow the football player but not Tebow the QB.

If Tebow drops to like the 3rd round then maybe, maybe McD takes him. But Tebow won't drop that far.


As evidenced by last year's draft, if Mcdaniels wants a particular player, he will go get him. I too thought the praise from Dove Valley was a smokescreen...maybe it actually is. But I have developed a gut feeling that Tebow will be a Bronco. I had the same feeling about Al Wilson when Denver selected him in 1999.

You cannot deny crazier things have happened in the NFL Draft.

:Broncos:

ColoradoBuff
04-21-2010, 07:29 PM
he has McClain going 32....don't know about that. kinda lost all credability right there...but u never know!

tsiguy96
04-21-2010, 07:30 PM
he has McClain going 32....don't know about that. kinda lost all credability right there...but u never know!

hes really not sold on mcclain, thinks his athleticism is overrated and wont be a great LB, especially not one worth a high 1st. mcclain might fall a bit.

Steve Sewell
04-21-2010, 07:34 PM
So if we don't trade down he has us taking... E. Thomas FS Texas... seriously? If anything that's Bailey's spot in the future with McBath taking over for Dawkins.

ha, i just watched the Gruden thing on Thomas...the kid is a god.

DBroncos4life
04-21-2010, 07:46 PM
I don't know if you were joking or not but I am actually coming around on this kid

after seeing him on the Gruden QB show, he is the kind of player I want

I'm serious. I think Tebow will be a good QB in the NFL.

ColoradoBuff
04-21-2010, 07:54 PM
hes really not sold on mcclain, thinks his athleticism is overrated and wont be a great LB, especially not one worth a high 1st. mcclain might fall a bit.

all the way to 32 though?

no-pseudo-fan
04-21-2010, 08:16 PM
If we trade back to 24 and still get McClain, McD is a absolute genius.

Caveat Lector
04-21-2010, 08:21 PM
hes really not sold on mcclain, thinks his athleticism is overrated and wont be a great LB, especially not one worth a high 1st. mcclain might fall a bit.

There's also a belief that he doesn't play with any 'thump'. Moderate athleticism + moderate hitting ability = marginal prospect. I hope we don't go near him...

Br0nc0Buster
04-21-2010, 08:23 PM
all the way to 32 though?

he prolly wont fall that far, but I wont be surprised at all to see this guy get drafted in the 20s

Tombstone RJ
04-21-2010, 08:23 PM
As evidenced by last year's draft, if Mcdaniels wants a particular player, he will go get him. I too thought the praise from Dove Valley was a smokescreen...maybe it actually is. But I have developed a gut feeling that Tebow will be a Bronco. I had the same feeling about Al Wilson when Denver selected him in 1999.

You cannot deny crazier things have happened in the NFL Draft.

:Broncos:

True, but McD was not as prepared for that draft and he's admitted as much. I think he just wanted to get the players he valued last year and be done with the draft.

That's not the case this year. This year he's got a deeper board, he's had a lot more time to evaluate players, and he knows he's in a heck of a position at #11 where there's lots of flexibility.

Nice call on Al Wilson btw.

Harvitz81
04-21-2010, 08:24 PM
all the way to 32 though?

People were saying maluga was a top 15 pick last year.....he fell to the early 2nd round. LBs always fall further than initially projected it seems.

BTW, not sold on McClain and absolutely hope he is not the pick at 11

Archer81
04-21-2010, 08:36 PM
True, but McD was not as prepared for that draft and he's admitted as much. I think he just wanted to get the players he valued last year and be done with the draft.

That's not the case this year. This year he's got a deeper board, he's had a lot more time to evaluate players, and he knows he's in a heck of a position at #11 where there's lots of flexibility.

Nice call on Al Wilson btw.


I dont consider McDaniels inexperience at drafting last season to inhibit his abilty to get guys he wants. I think thats just part of his and Xanders style. If you get a player "too high" in the minds of some people and he becomes exactly what they wanted out of him, then its a good pick and you get a solid to great player.

Al Wilson...I miss that dude. Face like a bulldog, hit like a mactruck...


:Broncos:

Rabb
04-21-2010, 08:41 PM
There's also a belief that he doesn't play with any 'thump'. Moderate athleticism + moderate hitting ability = marginal prospect. I hope we don't go near him...

Yep, he pointed out specifically a few games where he was playing lazy and commented that he really benefited from a solid big boy in front of him

wasn't high on him at all and the guy scouted for Baltimore...so he knows linemen and backers

Mediator12
04-21-2010, 08:45 PM
hes really not sold on mcclain, thinks his athleticism is overrated and wont be a great LB, especially not one worth a high 1st. mcclain might fall a bit.

I have agreed with him on that for Awhile. He might be a very good LB, but he is NOT a playmaking MLB in every system that a top 20 LB should be in any draft let alone this one.

Daniel Jeremiah is a very good resource. He is a former scout for BAL and CLE. Highly recommend listening to his podcasts too....

Mediator12
04-21-2010, 08:55 PM
The pick that intrigues me is Roger Saffold of Indiana to INDY @ 31. He is the sleeper First round player.

The player that is dropping is Jared Odrick. I would not be surprised to see DEN target him @ 24 if they make the PHI trade. Philly really wants Earl Thomas, he is a ballhawk and a stud Cover Safety that their Defense needs to succeed.

This is going to be a real exciting draft. A ton of trades and players with very different values on the board for teams.

montrose
04-21-2010, 10:51 PM
Another reason the #11 pick is valuable - whoever takes the #10 pick has to negotiate off Crabtree's deal. Looks like losing the coin flip to Jacksonsville was a blessing.

Baba Booey
04-21-2010, 11:05 PM
If this actually happens, we'd have 24, 37, 43, and 45.

Sign me up.

jutang
04-21-2010, 11:16 PM
Too many people predicting this trade makes me think this is a complete smokescreen.

NFLBRONCO
04-21-2010, 11:22 PM
I hope this happens and open to trading down twice

Bronco Yoda
04-22-2010, 01:06 AM
make it so...

ZONA
04-22-2010, 01:13 AM
Perfect location for Tim Tebow.

http://www.pukeplanet.com/pukeimages/toilet_puke.jpg

ZONA
04-22-2010, 01:17 AM
I've been told that Philly is likely to move up to Denver's spot tomorrow... lots of stuff floating out there right now.

He also has up tonight's mock draft.

http://www.movethesticks.com/

But, but, but, that would mean no CJ Spiller..........

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OBF1
04-22-2010, 02:31 AM
I have been saying Thomas @ 11 for a month... Excellent pick up. Look at some of the best teams in the league, They have a killer saftey roaming on D making huge plays all the time.

watermock
04-22-2010, 02:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5vGECb4700&feature=player_embedded

No problem. We print 100 tillion trillion dollars

watermock
04-22-2010, 03:04 AM
I have been saying Thomas @ 11 for a month... Excellent pick up. Look at some of the best teams in the league, They have a killer saftey roaming on D making huge plays all the time.

We have an all pro safety and 2 more we drafted.

We have 8 DB's.

epicSocialism4tw
04-22-2010, 03:12 AM
If Denver makes this deal, they are clearly putting themselves in position to take one of either Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow depending on how the draft shakes down.

IF this trade goes through, the odds are pretty good that one of them will wear the cyberhorse next year.

watermock
04-22-2010, 03:13 AM
No way we take QB.

Traveler
04-22-2010, 03:31 AM
Presuming this deal does go down, doesn't that drop us down too far to select Pouncey?

thumpc
04-22-2010, 03:43 AM
Draft picks 10-12 could see trades


<!-- cody master --><TABLE class=cols cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="WIDTH: 75%">By Adam Schefter
ESPN


An offseason filled with trades could continue straight into Thursday night's NFL draft, and picks 10 through 12 might be where the action will happen.
A cluster of teams -- No. 10 Jacksonville (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=jac), No. 11 Denver (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) and No. 12 Miami (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=mia) -- is interested in moving back in the draft, according to multiple league sources.


Meanwhile, another cluster of teams -- No. 18 Pittsburgh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=pit), No. 23 Green Bay (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=gnb) and No. 24 Philadelphia (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi) -- is interested in moving up in the draft.


Teams will be cautious about trading into Jacksonville's spot at No. 10 because the team that picks might have to negotiate off the complex deal that San Francisco (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sfo) and Michael Crabtree (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12563) struck last season.


Crabtree, who fell to No. 10 in the 2009 draft and held out through training camp and the opening weeks of the season, signed a contract paying him more than the picks taken ahead of him, setting a tricky precedent for teams at that slot this year.

Denver's spot at No. 11, one spot ahead of Miami, could have more appeal because the Crabtree contract would not be looming over it.





</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/5121342

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 06:01 AM
I had a dream last night. The Broncos traded down and took Jerry Hughes.

cmhargrove
04-22-2010, 06:15 AM
Presuming this deal does go down, doesn't that drop us down too far to select Pouncey?

Pouncey (despite public opinion) could easily fall into the top of round 2 - he's a Center. There aren't too many first round Centers out there.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-22-2010, 06:48 AM
Pouncey (despite public opinion) could easily fall into the top of round 2 - he's a Center. There aren't too many first round Centers out there.

Whoa . . . so you're saying that what's been reinforced on the Interwebz by people who don't work for NFL teams might actually be wrong?

Steve Sewell
04-22-2010, 06:50 AM
he has McClain going 32....don't know about that. kinda lost all credability right there...but u never know!

Probably because McClain is completely overrated?

Steve Sewell
04-22-2010, 06:53 AM
http://www.pukeplanet.com/pukeimages/toilet_puke.jpg


"22" Necklace...is that Hillis?

oubronco
04-22-2010, 06:55 AM
Believe nothing my friends until it happens there will be all kinds of rumors today

Carmelo15
04-22-2010, 07:03 AM
The Broncos WILL trade down. The Eagles very well may be that trading partner. But I do not think they would be willing to part with 37. They really wanted that top 42 pick for Donovan. That tells me they see some kind of drop off in talent after 42. I expect the deal to be 24, 55, & 87 for 11. It is closer to value on the trade chart and the Eagles would still have picks at the top of the first 3 rounds (11, 37, 70). Meanwhile the Broncos would have 3 2nd rounders and 6 of the top 87 picks (24, 43, 45, 55, 80, 87). The Broncos would have great flexibility to move up and grab a certain player with all these picks.

This deal makes more sense to me for both teams.

Mediator12
04-22-2010, 07:20 AM
The Broncos WILL trade down. The Eagles very well may be that trading partner. But I do not think they would be willing to part with 37. They really wanted that top 42 pick for Donovan. That tells me they see some kind of drop off in talent after 42. I expect the deal to be 24, 55, & 87 for 11. It is closer to value on the trade chart and the Eagles would still have picks at the top of the first 3 rounds (11, 37, 70). Meanwhile the Broncos would have 3 2nd rounders and 6 of the top 87 picks (24, 43, 45, 55, 80, 87). The Broncos would have great flexibility to move up and grab a certain player with all these picks.

This deal makes more sense to me for both teams.

I could see that happening if there is no competition for that spot. However, there could be considerable competition there as more than one team tries to maneuver for a falling player. I really think several Can not miss top 10 players in perception could be available at 11.

One thing is for sure, 11 is a much better place to be in this draft than anyone thought a few weeks ago. The ridiculous Crabtee contract that SF succcumbed to last year will severely taint the Jaguars efforts to move pick 10. That puts DEN in the drivers seat for a major move.

Requiem
04-22-2010, 07:23 AM
Yeah dudes, this is gonna be awesome. Drinking will commence after class at 11:00 AM CST. Pass out after our selection.

LonghornBronco
04-22-2010, 07:24 AM
Stop guys.. I'm getting excited...

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 07:24 AM
How many think this thing will turn into a Charlie Foxtrot before the night is done?

Mr.Meanie
04-22-2010, 07:32 AM
Everyone is too excited. I am almost feeling like something completely unexpected is going to happen, sending this board into a 6-month meltdown mode.

Mediator12
04-22-2010, 07:35 AM
How many think this thing will turn into a Charlie Foxtrot before the night is done?

Not this year. It is entirely too deep with the kind of talent this team needs. Watermock would have a hard time screwing up the first three rounds ROFL!

Plus, I just have a good overall feeling they learned a lot last year and this year will be extremely different with the three day setup. I just hope they get a trade back. More picks in this draft is a good idea for once.

Denver724
04-22-2010, 07:37 AM
Everyone is too excited. I am almost feeling like something completely unexpected is going to happen, sending this board into a 6-month meltdown mode.

Like drafting Golden Tate at #11? I can hear McD already:

"We had Golden as the best WR on our board"?

DBroncos4life
04-22-2010, 07:39 AM
Not this year. It is entirely too deep with the kind of talent this team needs. Watermock would have a hard time screwing up the first three rounds ROFL!

Plus, I just have a good overall feeling they learned a lot last year and this year will be extremely different with the three day setup. I just hope they get a trade back. More picks in this draft is a good idea for once.

Mediator12 what is your thoughts about trading 2011 picks for this year? Most years I wouldn't be a big fan of it but I feel uneasy about next years draft class. The top 15 of next years should be OK but I think it really drops off after that.

Mediator12
04-22-2010, 07:42 AM
Always way too early to tell about next year. It is entirely in the eye of the beholder about using next years resources on talent this year though. They liked Smith enough to use a first on him last year. I just hope they are more judicious this year if they find a player they like who drops.

DBroncos4life
04-22-2010, 07:45 AM
Always way too early to tell about next year. It is entirely in the eye of the beholder about using next years resources on talent this year though. They liked Smith enough to use a first on him last year. I just hope they are more judicious this year if they find a player they like who drops.

I really like the next years WR class if the juniors come out. I would hate to trade the future first for that reason but the two second rounder I would be cool with trading away.

Triplelefthook
04-22-2010, 07:55 AM
i really think this would be completely phenomenal. 24th pick and 3 2nd rounders? wow i will take that all day, especially considering the value chart on the players that we would ideally need to patch weak areas

The Joker
04-22-2010, 08:06 AM
Be hilarious if we made a great trade down with the Eagles and then moved down again from there and ended up taking no players at all tonight.

Imagine if we were sitting on half a dozen picks in rounds two and three though.

Mediator12
04-22-2010, 08:10 AM
Be hilarious if we made a great trade down with the Eagles and then moved down again from there and ended up taking no players at all tonight.

Imagine if we were sitting on half a dozen picks in rounds two and three though.

I could completely see that happening with the tier groupings. You can fill a lot of holes in this draft and especailly at positions they need. If the players they target trading back @ 24 are gone, trade again if you can.

WolfpackGuy
04-22-2010, 08:14 AM
Be hilarious if we made a great trade down with the Eagles and then moved down again from there and ended up taking no players at all tonight.

Imagine if we were sitting on half a dozen picks in rounds two and three though.

That would be a good spot to be in with teams having almost a full day to think things over.

I can see teams clamoring to get up in the second.

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 08:18 AM
Not this year. It is entirely too deep with the kind of talent this team needs. Watermock would have a hard time screwing up the first three rounds ROFL!

Plus, I just have a good overall feeling they learned a lot last year and this year will be extremely different with the three day setup. I just hope they get a trade back. More picks in this draft is a good idea for once.

I'm talking about ESPN. I think round one will be extremely hectic. I'm expecting a lot of f'ups and some wild ****. ;D

Rohirrim
04-22-2010, 08:19 AM
That would be a good spot to be in with teams having almost a full day to think things over.

I can see teams clamoring to get up in the second.

I think the opening of round two will be even more whacked out than tonight will be. The **** will be flying. ROFL!

no-pseudo-fan
04-22-2010, 08:32 AM
I think the opening of round two will be even more whacked out than tonight will be. The **** will be flying. ROFL!

That is why I am holding out hope that we can weasel 37 out of Philly. Top 5 pick in the second round is going to be in big demand.