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bronco0608
04-19-2010, 12:23 PM
I got this off a video when looking at draft prospects on cbssportsline. I forgot what player it was. I clicked on the video to watch the prospects highlights and instead of the video of the player, this interview pops up with Pete Prisco discussing the Brandon Marshall trade. In essence he said the Broncos love Brandon Graham and he expects them to take him. Anybody else see the video?

Like most posters here, I can see McD trading down because he has been hyping up the players available at 11 such as Mclain and Bryant. Like he is trying to get some team to move up and get that pick.

Now, the question is, doesn't Brandon Graham repeat Robert Ayers from last season? If we did go that route, is it because Ayers is a bust, or Graham is too good to pass up?

So here is the question to you. Let's say your scouts say Brandon Graham is going to be the next great pass rusher in the NFL. They feel it in thier bones. He has the tenacity of Elvis Dummervil, but only bigger. His stats over the past two seasons at Michigan show 46 tackles for loss and 21 sacks, which backs up what you already believe: the guy is a difference maker on the field. Do you take him or ride out Ayers?

bronco0608
04-19-2010, 12:25 PM
"Brandon Graham has one of the best motors in this draft," said NFL Network analyst Mike Maycock.

yerner
04-19-2010, 12:26 PM
I don't think Brandon Graham on the Broncos means anything other than they want to get another pass rusher. Steelers get these kind of players alot. It's a valued position in the defense and they all can be used at some point. My opinion of course.

bronco0608
04-19-2010, 12:26 PM
Graham, at 6-foot-1, 268 pounds, is smaller than the prototype NFL defensive end but Graham is expected to be a first-round NFL draft pick.

Graham had a rough time at the NFL combine when he ran a 4.7 40 dash and he pulled a hamstring on the run. His best time in the 40 was a 4.5.

One of Graham's strengths is his play against quality opponents in his senior season. Against No. 7-ranked Iowa he had 3.5 tackles for a loss and two sacks; against No. 9 Penn State, he had 3.5 tackles for a loss and a half-sack; against No. 16 Wisconsin he had 4 tackles for a loss, 11 total tackles and two sacks and against No. 5 Ohio State, he had 5 tackles for a loss and two sacks.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1428-Michigan-Wolverines-Examiner~y2010m4d19-Michigans-Graham-expected-to-be-firstround-NFL-draft-pick

Popps
04-19-2010, 12:27 PM
I couldn't see it. Ayers could move back to end, I suppose. But, it seems unlikely.

Man-Goblin
04-19-2010, 12:28 PM
You can never have enough pass rushers.

WolfpackGuy
04-19-2010, 12:28 PM
Keep that money for Dumervil's payday.

bronco0608
04-19-2010, 12:29 PM
Many of the teams called trying to verify Graham's stories. No problem there -- scouts called Graham "squeaky clean (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#)," according to Oden.

"They talked to the principal, the counselors, and the teachers. 'They all speak so highly of him. How does a kid plays that level of football and never get in trouble?' He's just a very likeable guy," Oden said.

Popps
04-19-2010, 12:29 PM
I don't think Brandon Graham on the Broncos means anything other than they want to get another pass rusher. Steelers get these kind of players alot. It's a valued position in the defense and they all can be used at some point. My opinion of course.

That's a fair point, actually.... and you'd never hear me complain about stockpiling front 7 talent.

Still, can we stockpile there with such big needs on the OL? Seems like a stretch.

bronco0608
04-19-2010, 12:31 PM
Countdown to draft: Brandon Graham wants to be Ray Lewis

"I would like to be just like him on the football field," Graham said. "I want to be feared, where I put pressure on the linemen and make them a little intimidated to block me."

SonOfLe-loLang
04-19-2010, 12:31 PM
I wouldnt mind graham. I think he's gonna be a player

SouthStndJunkie
04-19-2010, 12:31 PM
I would have no problem drafting Brandon Graham because he will be an impact player.

I've seen every college game he has played in and he brings it all damn day.

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 12:32 PM
Works for me. Not the greatest need, but good pass rushers are always great to have.

bronco0608
04-19-2010, 12:32 PM
The Lions staff loved what they saw from Graham coaching him at the Senior Bowl in January. Graham, who played linebacker before college, earned defensive MVP honors, but it was his work all week in practice that had scouts raving, cementing his status as a first-round pick.
"He shows up with a smile on his face and he's a competitor," Lions defensive line coach Kris Kocurek said. "He loves to compete, he runs to the football. And the main thing about the kid is he loves football. You can tell. Every snap, every practice, he's always got a great attitude."


From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100416/SPORTS0101/4160344/1126/sports/There-s-a-lot-to-love-about-U-M-s-Brandon-Graham#ixzz0lZYAbI7C (http://www.detnews.com/article/20100416/SPORTS0101/4160344/1126/sports/There-s-a-lot-to-love-about-U-M-s-Brandon-Graham#ixzz0lZYAbI7C)

Br0nc0Buster
04-19-2010, 12:35 PM
I like Graham the player but I have a hard time figuring out how he would fit into our defense

Doom is a premiere pass rusher, and Ayers is a first round pick that still has to be developed

That seems to be a lot of coin tied up into one position since they all cant be on the field at the same time

bronco0608
04-19-2010, 12:36 PM
VI: When finished playing football (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#), what do you hope others say about your career?

BG: That coaches and players could trust and believe in me, that I was playing for everybody else. I want to be known as the ultimate team player, that no matter how many plays I was making, that I always did what I could to help us win the game.

VI: What will you do with your first big NFL paycheck?

BG: I would like to get a nice condo for Mom so she can live near me, wherever I play. I'm close to her, and that would give her a chance to keep seeing me play. We've been in Michigan all the time, so I wouldn't mind somewhere different.

VI: As a pass rusher, what are your greatest assets?

BG: My hands are my biggest assets. They are what allow me to move the tackle or other blocker out of the way. My footwork and speed are good, but you can win (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) a lot of battles just with your handwork. I would say my favorite pass-rush move is the double-hand swipe. Once you get inside a tackle and get your hands past his chest, it's over.

yerner
04-19-2010, 12:36 PM
That's a fair point, actually.... and you'd never hear me complain about stockpiling front 7 talent.

Still, can we stockpile there with such big needs on the OL? Seems like a stretch.

I don't know. Why not get another pass rusher, who by the way, was outstanding and dominant in his senior game, then take a couple olineman in the second round. That's a pretty good plan.

bronco militia
04-19-2010, 12:41 PM
using the same logic for Moreno and CJ Spiller, yeah I would be fine with the pick.

bowtown
04-19-2010, 12:49 PM
I cant beleeve tht just McDumphead draftid ANOTHER pass rusher. Righting is on the wall for Doomb.

gyldenlove
04-19-2010, 12:52 PM
I like Graham dude is a beast 1 on 1, he absolutely ragdolled most tackles at the senior bowl. I think Graham would be a solid player especially in run situations, it would create a nice rotation with Graham, Ayers and Dumervil, however I would prefer a DL in the 1st.

Rabb
04-19-2010, 12:58 PM
You can never have enough pass rushers.

this

cmhargrove
04-19-2010, 12:59 PM
I like Graham as well, and think he will be a great player in the NFL. The real question is, what is happening to Ayers & Haggan?

Maybe Martindale has something in mind that we just don't see.

Anyway, Graham will be a first round pick, and 11 seems a little high so.... It would seem that only a trade down would make this possible.


At this point, i'm still hoping for Bulaga or Trent Williams to drop to #11 so we can beef up the O-line.

broncosteven
04-19-2010, 12:59 PM
I like Graham the player but I have a hard time figuring out how he would fit into our defense

Doom is a premiere pass rusher, and Ayers is a first round pick that still has to be developed

That seems to be a lot of coin tied up into one position since they all cant be on the field at the same time

I would rather have an ILB than another pass rushing OLB but If it means that Haggan and Woodyard are depth backups then I am for it.

Plus wasn't there talk after the season that they might move Ayers inside?

Ziggy
04-19-2010, 01:01 PM
Doom is a great pass rusher, but he's a liability against the run. I wonder if drafting Graham would mean using Doom as a situational pass rusher again. We can't assume that Graham would take Ayers spot. The Broncos have said that they need to get bigger, tougher, stronger. We could go with Ayers and Graham on obvious rushing downs, and bring Doom in for pass rushing situations.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 01:02 PM
Ayers will never play end in a 3-4 defense IMO. If we use our 1st pick on another potential midget 3-4 OLB I might just need a new TV set.

Broncosfreak_56
04-19-2010, 01:02 PM
I would rather have an ILB than another pass rushing OLB but If it means that Haggan and Woodyard are depth backups then I am for it.

Plus wasn't there talk after the season that they might move Ayers inside?

Could Ayers play MLB?

baja
04-19-2010, 01:06 PM
I got this off a video when looking at draft prospects on cbssportsline. I forgot what player it was. I clicked on the video to watch the prospects highlights and instead of the video of the player, this interview pops up with Pete Prisco discussing the Brandon Marshall trade. In essence he said the Broncos love Brandon Graham and he expects them to take him. Anybody else see the video?

Like most posters here, I can see McD trading down because he has been hyping up the players available at 11 such as Mclain and Bryant. Like he is trying to get some team to move up and get that pick.

Now, the question is, doesn't Brandon Graham repeat Robert Ayers from last season? If we did go that route, is it because Ayers is a bust, or Graham is too good to pass up?



So here is the question to you. Let's say your scouts say Brandon Graham is going to be the next great pass rusher in the NFL. They feel it in thier bones. He has the tenacity of Elvis Dummervil, but only bigger. His stats over the past two seasons at Michigan show 46 tackles for loss and 21 sacks, which backs up what you already believe: the guy is a difference maker on the field. Do you take him or ride out Ayers?

If that is the team's assessment and you can get good value for the one dimensional Doom than you take Graham and trade Doom.

epicSocialism4tw
04-19-2010, 01:09 PM
VI: When finished playing football (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#), what do you hope others say about your career?

BG: That coaches and players could trust and believe in me, that I was playing for everybody else. I want to be known as the ultimate team player, that no matter how many plays I was making, that I always did what I could to help us win the game.

VI: What will you do with your first big NFL paycheck?

BG: I would like to get a nice condo for Mom so she can live near me, wherever I play. I'm close to her, and that would give her a chance to keep seeing me play. We've been in Michigan all the time, so I wouldn't mind somewhere different.

VI: As a pass rusher, what are your greatest assets?

BG: My hands are my biggest assets. They are what allow me to move the tackle or other blocker out of the way. My footwork and speed are good, but you can win (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) a lot of battles just with your handwork. I would say my favorite pass-rush move is the double-hand swipe. Once you get inside a tackle and get your hands past his chest, it's over.

Impressive.

He knows what coaches want to year, and is intelligent enough to elaborate on that while demonstrating proficiency. This is similar to what admissions committees look for in interviews before accepting graduate students.

Requiem
04-19-2010, 01:12 PM
Very good to hear.

Hamrob
04-19-2010, 01:23 PM
I got this off a video when looking at draft prospects on cbssportsline. I forgot what player it was. I clicked on the video to watch the prospects highlights and instead of the video of the player, this interview pops up with Pete Prisco discussing the Brandon Marshall trade. In essence he said the Broncos love Brandon Graham and he expects them to take him. Anybody else see the video?

Like most posters here, I can see McD trading down because he has been hyping up the players available at 11 such as Mclain and Bryant. Like he is trying to get some team to move up and get that pick.

Now, the question is, doesn't Brandon Graham repeat Robert Ayers from last season? If we did go that route, is it because Ayers is a bust, or Graham is too good to pass up?

So here is the question to you. Let's say your scouts say Brandon Graham is going to be the next great pass rusher in the NFL. They feel it in thier bones. He has the tenacity of Elvis Dummervil, but only bigger. His stats over the past two seasons at Michigan show 46 tackles for loss and 21 sacks, which backs up what you already believe: the guy is a difference maker on the field. Do you take him or ride out Ayers?Do you take Graham and trade Doom? Could be the plan! Bowlen may not want to pay him?

gtown
04-19-2010, 01:24 PM
I wouldn't mind Graham. The guy will be a difference maker on the line and just what we need to bookend with Doom. And as for Ayers, I believe he will also see significant time on the field as we play different fronts other than just the base 3-4 or 5-2 that we employed last year when not in the nickel or dime.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-19-2010, 02:37 PM
I'll be willing to bet that Dumervil would be MIA for the first half of the season if we drafted and paid another 1st round pass rusher. He may hold out anyway, because I doubt we give him the giant payday prior to a new CBA. I'm sure he'd love to continue providing double-digit sacks, while the team pays another rookie exponentially more money for a fraction of the production.

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 02:47 PM
IMO, you can't have enough stud D players, and Brandon Graham could fit that bill. Yes, he could be better than Robert Ayers. I have a hunch Denver f'd it up with Ayers as an OLB in the 3-4, therefore the problem has to be corrected. Ayers showed he doesn't have the change of direction quickness necessary, nor any passrush moves, he's better suited to inside.

I actually had Ayers as a top draftee that could make the transition to 3-4 , but I'm thinking I was wrong. He's better suited inside, so that leaves room to draft a potential 3-4 OLB like Graham.

RonDaChamp24
04-19-2010, 02:48 PM
You can never have enough pass rushers.

This. If for some reason we didn't re-sign Dumervil we may be drafting his replacement, or if nothing else someone we can change out w/ Ayers or Doom when they get tired. I wouldn't be too happy spending our first on Graham, but I wouldn't be pissed either.

bap454
04-19-2010, 02:55 PM
IMO, you can't have enough stud D players, and Brandon Graham could fit that bill. Yes, he could be better than Robert Ayers. I have a hunch Denver f'd it up with Ayers as an OLB in the 3-4, therefore the problem has to be corrected. Ayers showed he doesn't have the change of direction quickness necessary, nor any passrush moves, he's better suited to inside.

I actually had Ayers as a top draftee that could make the transition to 3-4 , but I'm thinking I was wrong. He's better suited inside, so that leaves room to draft a potential 3-4 OLB like Graham.

If Im not mistaken... didnt Ayers lose a bunch of weight to make the transition to OLB??

bowtown
04-19-2010, 02:56 PM
If Im not mistaken... didnt Ayers lose a bunch of weight to make the transition to OLB??

I heard it was becasue he was trying to impress a girl.

Cosmo
04-19-2010, 02:56 PM
As much as I think Graham is a good player, I have two problems with it.

#1, he's a reach at #11
#2, Ayers dominated at the Senior bowl 1vs1 just as Graham has done
#3, We have other needs
#4, McD already said they look for players with the highest ceiling/2 year impact, giving up on Ayers would make him look silly.

Now, if we trade down to get him, I won't be as upset.
For example, if we trade down with Philly and end up taking him and using our 3 2nds on:
Benn, Ducasse, and Tebow (since we're buying into rumors apparently) I'd live with the decision.

HEAV
04-19-2010, 02:57 PM
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Bronco CB40
04-19-2010, 02:57 PM
Throw all the measureables and workouts out, Graham brings it on game day and has the game film to prove his worth. He's one of the few players whose production matches his accolades.

Bronco CB40
04-19-2010, 03:00 PM
I would have no problem drafting Brandon Graham because he will be an impact player.

I've seen every college game he has played in and he brings it all damn day.

I knew SSJ would like reading this^5

outdoor_miner
04-19-2010, 03:02 PM
I like Graham as well, and think he will be a great player in the NFL. The real question is, what is happening to Ayers & Haggan?

I really believe that Haggan will be our starting SILB next year. He played inside his entire career until last year. I don't believe they cut Andra Davis without someone on the roster who they think can start. I also don't think they draft McClain, as that would give Denver 2 expensive players at MLB (with DJ inside too)....

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 03:04 PM
Ayers will never play end in a 3-4 defense IMO. If we use our 1st pick on another potential midget 3-4 OLB I might just need a new TV set.

I disagree.

DBroncos4life
04-19-2010, 03:05 PM
Watch us do something crazy like trade Doom to Miami for there first. ;D

bap454
04-19-2010, 03:11 PM
I have no problem with Graham at #11 if we cant trade down. The video just confirms what i have been hearing about him. As talented as he is as a pass rusher, he is very stout at the point of attack. Mayock even stated that he was just as talented if not more talented at run defense vs pass rushing. Not just a one trick pony guys (Jarviss Moss)!! If we pass ... I fear we will be regreting this one for years to come along with Orakpo.

Bronco CB40
04-19-2010, 03:15 PM
I have no problem with Graham at #11 if we cant trade down. The video just confirms what i have been hearing about him. As talented as he is as a pass rusher, he is very stout at the point of attack. Mayock even stated that he was just as talented if not more talented at run defense vs pass rushing. Not just a one trick pony guys (Jarviss Moss)!! If we pass ... I fear we will be regreting this one for years to come along with Orakpo.

I agree. Forget need, Graham is a low risk player and if the scouting department believes in him, why pass on him?

The first objective should be bringing in good football players. There's no reason to take on added risk on a need guy when you are certain a player like Graham is going to translate his success to the pro level.

BroncoInferno
04-19-2010, 03:35 PM
I'd be more than fine with Graham. He's going to be an impact player. Like someone else said, I don't think this would have anything to do with Ayers, just a chance to add another guy who can get after the QB. Honestly, I think it might say more about the likelihood of us resigning Dumervil next offseason. He will demand a kings ransom, so Graham might be his replacement.

BroncoInferno
04-19-2010, 03:40 PM
#4, McD already said they look for players with the highest ceiling/2 year impact, giving up on Ayers would make him look silly.

As others have said, this wouldn't be giving up on Ayers. You can never have too many pass rushers, and they could find creative ways to use them all, particularly on 3rd downs. Also, as I stated, they may not want to have to pay Dumervil next offseason and this could be his eventual replacement.

epicSocialism4tw
04-19-2010, 03:43 PM
This would have nothing do do with Ayers or Dumervil.

From looking at the tape, I think that its evident that McD would draft him to play end. He's a solid 2-way lineman with alot of energy. He potentially could shore up one end against the run and the pass.

bronco0608
04-19-2010, 03:54 PM
This would have nothing do do with Ayers or Dumervil.

From looking at the tape, I think that its evident that McD would draft him to play end. He's a solid 2-way lineman with alot of energy. He potentially could shore up one end against the run and the pass.

How many 6 foot 1, 265 pound 3-4 DEs are there in the league playing? I'll answer that for you, zero. All your standard 3-4 DEs are at least 6'3" tall and weigh above 285 pounds.

It would be a huge stretch to draft a guy in the first round to gain 25-30 pounds and play a position that he does not have the height, nor the weight for currently. 3-4 DEs main responsiblity is to be a run stuffer and block eater.

I just don't see it. Brandon Graham is getting drafted because he is a terror coming off the end, ala a 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB. Putting him a weakside DE would be a complete waste of his talent. Just don't see it.

barryr
04-19-2010, 05:13 PM
How many 6 foot 1, 265 pound 3-4 DEs are there in the league playing? I'll answer that for you, zero. All your standard 3-4 DEs are at least 6'3" tall and weigh above 285 pounds.

It would be a huge stretch to draft a guy in the first round to gain 25-30 pounds and play a position that he does not have the height, nor the weight for currently. 3-4 DEs main responsiblity is to be a run stuffer and block eater.

I just don't see it. Brandon Graham is getting drafted because he is a terror coming off the end, ala a 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB. Putting him a weakside DE would be a complete waste of his talent. Just don't see it.

Agreed. Graham isn't a DL in a 3-4 set. Not even close. If a 3-4 team drafts him, it would be as an OLB like Dumervil or Ayers. He can play DE in a 4-3 defense.

elsid13
04-19-2010, 05:21 PM
This would have nothing do do with Ayers or Dumervil.

From looking at the tape, I think that its evident that McD would draft him to play end. He's a solid 2-way lineman with alot of energy. He potentially could shore up one end against the run and the pass.

Graham is not big enough to play end in 3/4. He is OLB in that scheme

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 05:58 PM
Could Ayers play MLB?

No, but maybe DE in the 3-4. I'm negative about the guy at OLB in the 3-4, I don't care what Mayock says.

If Brandon Graham is available I think grab Graham. He has the potential to excel at OLB in the 3-4, Ayers does not have the potential to excel at OLB in the 3-4, sorry. I thought he did, I was wrong. Doesn't have the footwork.

Ayers did make the tackle of the year, though. Suplexed Jamaal Charles, that was sweet. Ayers is a strong kid, doesn't have much range, better suited to DE.

Cool Breeze
04-19-2010, 06:43 PM
Watch us do something crazy like trade Doom to Miami for there first. ;D

Watch us trade him to the Pats for a couple of 2nds

Broncojef
04-19-2010, 07:10 PM
Glaring needs at C, OG, LB and WR and we are still fixated on a undersized pass rusher? A nice to have can't outweigh our needs elsewhere.

Dedhed
04-19-2010, 07:58 PM
Could Ayers play MLB?

No, but I think Graham can play in the middle.

BroncoInferno
04-20-2010, 08:45 AM
Glaring needs at C, OG, LB and WR and we are still fixated on a undersized pass rusher? A nice to have can't outweigh our needs elsewhere.

Our "need" is for playmakers wherever we can find them. Despite Doom's 17 sacks last season, we weren't a great pass rushing team. Ayers continued development should help that, but Graham could potentially help turn us into an elite pass rushing team. Plus, he is tough against the run, too. The kid is a playmaker . You don't think that is a "need"?

oubronco
04-20-2010, 08:55 AM
I could see it cause I really think Doom is gone next year

Elway777
04-20-2010, 09:35 AM
this is what going to happen. The Broncos trade down with New England for a first and second and hope to draft Brandon Graham . New England trades up then drafts Brandon Graham.

DenverBrit
04-20-2010, 09:36 AM
He's relentless like Doom but plays the run well. Good looking prospect.