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Rulon Velvet Jones
04-19-2010, 09:40 AM
For undisclosed

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-19-2010, 09:41 AM
Ernie Sims to Eagles (!)
Scheffler to Lions
Denver getting undisclosed draft pick

gyldenlove
04-19-2010, 09:41 AM
People have been unloading former 1st round picks like mad

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:42 AM
Undisclosed normally means a crap pick tbh.

atomicbloke
04-19-2010, 09:42 AM
Can't be too much

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 09:42 AM
LOL @ Tony Scheffler. Too bad broski!

_Oro_
04-19-2010, 09:42 AM
Perfect place for Tony "I can't wait for the season to be over" Scheffler.

atomicbloke
04-19-2010, 09:42 AM
Now Scheffler and his buddy Cutler will be division rivals.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:43 AM
Has Ernie's value fallen that far that he's only worth Scheffler???

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-19-2010, 09:43 AM
Can he unseat Pettigrew?

No.

montrose
04-19-2010, 09:44 AM
It's a great day!

Play2win
04-19-2010, 09:44 AM
Is it still Sunday... ;D

bowtown
04-19-2010, 09:44 AM
Can he unseat Pettigrew?

No.

Yeah, talk about having two TEs that do basically the same thing. It would be like having 2 TEs that can only block... oh wait.

yerner
04-19-2010, 09:46 AM
I can't believe they shipped Sims out. I thought he was a good player?

Pseudofool
04-19-2010, 09:46 AM
So what is Sims worth to the Eagles? A 5th?

azbroncfan
04-19-2010, 09:47 AM
We shipped everyone to their hometown teams.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:47 AM
According to the Scheff it's Philly's 3rd or 4th rounder.

Dagmar
04-19-2010, 09:47 AM
It's a great day!

I'm temped to go post this on a Lions board! Nah, they suffer enough.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2nhdth0.png


Are we guessing 4th round?

baja
04-19-2010, 09:48 AM
Is it still Sunday... ;D

The trade went down yesterday but after the FO read my thread on the Mane they decided to not report it until today so as to not be predictable ;D

Dagmar
04-19-2010, 09:48 AM
Undisclosed normally means a crap pick tbh.

http://i40.tinypic.com/m9mxhj.jpg

CHANGSTER
04-19-2010, 09:49 AM
One step closer to Cutler's basement.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 09:49 AM
Yeah, talk about having two TEs that do basically the same thing. It would be like having 2 TEs that can only block... oh wait.

2009 Receptions/Yards/Avg/TDs

Tony Scheffler 31 416 13.4 2
Daniel Graham 28 289 10.3 1

Mr.Meanie
04-19-2010, 09:49 AM
Eagles have tons of picks this year. I'm guessing one of their 4ths maybe?

Inkana7
04-19-2010, 09:50 AM
If its a 3rd I'll **** my pants.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:50 AM
I'll guess pick 87 right now, that would be fair value for Sims. Dunno about Tony S but.

baja
04-19-2010, 09:51 AM
I'm gonna say McD/X worked their magic and we got a 33rd rd pick.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:52 AM
Horrible deal, a 5th for a 7th, ****ing terrible.

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 09:52 AM
Has Ernie's value fallen that far that he's only worth Scheffler???

IIRC, there was a lot of posters here that wanted Sims badly in 2006.

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 09:52 AM
Undisclosed? WTF?

DelBronco
04-19-2010, 09:52 AM
In that Sims to Eagles trade, Denver gets Philly's 5th rd (137 via Cleve); Lions get Scheffler & a 7th form Denver

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:52 AM
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=20815

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:53 AM
For all the Scheffler lovers, there's what your prick TE was worth.

Mr.Meanie
04-19-2010, 09:54 AM
In that Sims to Eagles trade, Denver gets Philly's 5th rd (137 via Cleve); Lions get Scheffler & a 7th form Denver

Ugh...less than what I wanted, but more than what we could have gotten I guess (i.e. nothing).

yerner
04-19-2010, 09:54 AM
Whatever. Its better than nothing. Has Ernie Sims been playing that bad? I really wonder why they let him go?

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 09:55 AM
Man! That Wiki is fast:

Tony Scheffler (born February 15, 1983) is an American football tight end for the Detroit Lions of the National Football League. He was drafted by the Broncos in the second round of the 2006 NFL Draft. He played college football and college baseball at Western Michigan.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-19-2010, 09:55 AM
So, bascially we got next to nothing for Sheffler. Which was kind of expected.

Mr.Meanie
04-19-2010, 09:56 AM
So, bascially we got next to nothing for Sheffler. Which was kind of expected.

I'm assuming we would have just cut him outright if no one traded for him?

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 09:56 AM
So, bascially we got next to nothing for Sheffler. Which was kind of expected.

We got a 5th rounder, which is what a lot of people on this board expected.

WolfpackGuy
04-19-2010, 09:56 AM
5th isn't too bad for a guy that was clearly going to be shipped out.

briane
04-19-2010, 09:56 AM
Horrible deal, a 5th for a 7th, ****ing terrible.

Thats a crap deal!

bowtown
04-19-2010, 09:56 AM
Got a 5th now, baby! I'm so fired up for Thursday.

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-19-2010, 09:57 AM
That sound, Tony, is your NFL career dwindling down to nothing in the coming years.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 09:57 AM
Another top draft pick wasted by Shanny.

yerner
04-19-2010, 09:58 AM
If I'm an Eagles fan I'm happy right now. Ernie Sims is a perfect fit there.

Dagmar
04-19-2010, 09:58 AM
I will repeat

This = http://i40.tinypic.com/m9mxhj.jpg

If it's a 7th.

**** you Tony.

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 09:58 AM
Since the 220th pick is basically not much different than UDFA, it's Sheffler for a fifth rounder. Now the question is, will Tony be willing to play for the Lions against the Bears, or will he demand to sit during those games in order not to upset his soul mate, Cutler?

azbroncfan
04-19-2010, 09:59 AM
Another top draft pick wasted by Shanny.

I wouldn't call it wasted as at the time it was considered a reach over busts like Pope that were still on the board. Tony can be very good in passing game just sucks in blocking so he will never be a fulltime TE.

montrose
04-19-2010, 09:59 AM
Well, we're back in the 5th round since the Broncos 5th rounder went to NE last year for Smith and Hochstein. I'm just glad that POS is gone and the Broncos have no more malcontents on the roster.

elsid13
04-19-2010, 10:00 AM
Another top draft pick wasted by Shanny.

Let be fair, it was far from wasted pick. Scheffer didn't fit the current system but he has value as WCO TE that had the ability to stretch the field. He wasn't Sharpe but he was quality starter that did flash some ability.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-19-2010, 10:00 AM
I'm too lazy to look up the chart, but I'd imagine we got somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 points on the draft value scale.

ScottXray
04-19-2010, 10:01 AM
Well we get 137 ( Clevelands original 5th) , which is a higher 5th, but also give up a 7th. The seventh ....Mehhh! In this draft we got the equivalent of a 4th.
I guess Sheffler wasn't going to bring much, and we had to throw in the seventh. There is still going to be some good talent in that range so its not too bad.

I have a Sheffler jersey for sale now. Any takers? It is right ther next to my Cutler one.

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 10:03 AM
That puts us right in the territory for Zane Beadles, Riley Cooper, Linval Joseph, Kyle Calloway, Pat Angerer, etc.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 10:04 AM
Let be fair, it was far from wasted pick. Scheffer didn't fit the current system but he has value as WCO TE that had the ability to stretch the field. He wasn't Sharpe but he was quality starter that did flash some ability.

He's talented. Only problem is the douche factor doesn't play too well at the TE position in the NFL, unless you are a team guy like Sharpe, who had a big mouth but always gave 100% to the Broncos and backed up all the talk with his play on the field.

elsid13
04-19-2010, 10:10 AM
He's talented. Only problem is the douche factor doesn't play too well at the TE position in the NFL, unless you are a team guy like Sharpe, who had a big mouth but always gave 100% to the Broncos and backed up all the talk with his play on the field.

Once again there is more then one side to any story. Things didn't work out in Denver, that doesn't mean he won't be successful else where. Detroit now has more options in their passing attack.

Garcia Bronco
04-19-2010, 10:11 AM
Enjoy Detriot. I bet you could buy half the town for a song. Good luck Tony, I have never seen such an injury prone football player complain so much.

Dendave
04-19-2010, 10:11 AM
Detroit Free Press
Tight <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_4_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia">end </NOBR>is a need because Brandon Pettigrew, the No. 20 overall pick last year, is recovering from a torn ACL, and Casey Fitzsimmons retired because of concussions.

Sims, the No. 9 overall pick in 2006, was drafted to play the weak <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_5_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia">side</NOBR> (http://www.freep.com/article/20100419/SPORTS01/100419032/1318/Report-Lions-trade-Ernie-Sims-for-tight-end#) in the Tampa Two defense. He had a strong rookie season but hasn’t performed as well since.

Mr.Meanie
04-19-2010, 10:12 AM
It's the 3rd pick in the 5th round

Popcorn Sutton
04-19-2010, 10:13 AM
So how many picks does this leave us with?

GoBroncos84
04-19-2010, 10:13 AM
Lions trading simms is puzzling. Denver didn't get good value. But at least it's over, team can move on, and we have a 5 again

yerner
04-19-2010, 10:14 AM
Does this mean they draft a tight end? Rob Gronkowski in the 2nd!

sixtimeseight
04-19-2010, 10:15 AM
Seems like pretty good value for a below-average TE to me.

elsid13
04-19-2010, 10:15 AM
Does this mean they draft a tight end? Rob Gronkowski in the 2nd!

That would be great, but I doubt it.

yerner
04-19-2010, 10:15 AM
thats right 2nd round tight ends in consecutive years.

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:16 AM
Mcd.trade clady now..you can do it
I know you love draft picks.

MABroncoFan
04-19-2010, 10:17 AM
It's the 3rd pick in the 5th round

That's not bad. I was hoping for a 4th, and this isn't far off from that.

So we now have a 1st, two 2nds, a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th, and a 6th. No 7ths.

bowtown
04-19-2010, 10:17 AM
Mcd.trade clady now..you can do it
I know you love draft picks.

McDaniels has traded away more draft picks than he has traded for.

sisterhellfyre
04-19-2010, 10:18 AM
Lions trading simms is puzzling. Denver didn't get good value. But at least it's over, team can move on, and we have a 5 again

Hrrmmm. The breaking news report from the Post said that Denver received TWO draft picks. I wonder if that's true? If so, two in any round for Scheffler would be a coup for the Broncos. Again.

HAT
04-19-2010, 10:19 AM
It's the 3rd pick in the 5th round

#137 is the 6th pick in the 5th round.

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:19 AM
Mcd will screw the draft picks like he did last year.
I will bet $100 that he will be fired in couple of seasons(will not get extension).

Mr.Meanie
04-19-2010, 10:21 AM
#137 is the 6th pick in the 5th round.

You're right, my mistake

TailgateNut
04-19-2010, 10:21 AM
I'm gonna say McD/X worked their magic and we got a 33rd rd pick.

33rd round??? Does the draft last 2 weeks?

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 10:21 AM
Hopefully, this trade is a prelude to trade down talks with the Eagles on Thursday. Now that they got Simms, their most glaring need is DE. The #11 spot will be the perfect place to trade up for Derrick Morgan, probably the best 4-3 DE on the board.

Mr.Meanie
04-19-2010, 10:21 AM
Mcd will screw the draft picks like he did last year.
I will bet $100 that he will be fired in couple of seasons(will not get extension).

Do you want to go on record with who you think we should draft?

Rabb
04-19-2010, 10:22 AM
That puts us right in the territory for Zane Beadles, Riley Cooper, Linval Joseph, Kyle Calloway, Pat Angerer, etc.

I love that guy

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:23 AM
McDaniels has traded away more draft picks than he has traded for.

I am not sure why fans are excited about Mcd.
It is clear that he can't coach NFL players.

we won 2 games out of 8.on top that, he trades Marshall and Scheffler.
He has ego and i can bet that he will again screw the draft picks..

gyldenlove
04-19-2010, 10:24 AM
So how many picks does this leave us with?

7 as before,

1 first, 2 seconds, 1 third, 1 fourth, 1 fifth, 1 sixth

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 10:25 AM
Mcd.trade clady now..you can do it
I know you love draft picks.

One problem there...Clady is a team player that shuts up and does his job.

yerner
04-19-2010, 10:26 AM
I am not sure why fans are excited about Mcd.
It is clear that he can't coach NFL players.

we won 2 games out of 8.on top that, he trades Marshall and Scheffler.
He has ego and i can bet that he will again screw the draft picks..

Come on man. The draft's in 3 days. Best time of the year.

I do admire your misery though.

gyldenlove
04-19-2010, 10:26 AM
thats right 2nd round tight ends in consecutive years.

We can draft a RB in the 1st round again as well, and with the other 2nd round pick we can take a CB, almost like the 2009 draft never happened.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 10:27 AM
I am not sure why fans are excited about Mcd.
It is clear that he can't coach NFL players.

we won 2 games out of 8.on top that, he trades Marshall and Scheffler.
He has ego and i can bet that he will again screw the draft picks..

We won 8 games out of 16 pal

Mr.Meanie
04-19-2010, 10:27 AM
I am not sure why fans are excited about Mcd.
It is clear that he can't coach NFL players.

we won 2 games out of 8.on top that, he trades Marshall and Scheffler.
He has ego and i can bet that he will again screw the draft picks..

Jesus. You are the whiniest football fan I've ever seen.

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 10:28 AM
Jesus. You are the whiniest football fan I've ever seen.

A regular Eeyore.

Dagmar
04-19-2010, 10:29 AM
33rd round??? Does the draft last 2 weeks?

This made me laugh a ridiculous amount!

yerner
04-19-2010, 10:29 AM
We can draft a RB in the 1st round again as well, and with the other 2nd round pick we can take a CB, almost like the 2009 draft never happened.

I know it probably won't happen. Just an Arizona Alum. Gronk is a manchild of epic proportions. If his back is healthy I see him being a top tight end. And if I have to watch the Chiefs get thier white trash hillbilly stink on him I'll be sad.

Man-Goblin
04-19-2010, 10:31 AM
Good riddance, Tony! I can't wait for your career to be over!

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-19-2010, 10:32 AM
I am not sure why fans are excited about Mcd.
It is clear that he can't coach NFL players.

we won 2 games out of 8.on top that, he trades Marshall and Scheffler.
He has ego and i can bet that he will again screw the draft picks..

If you did the slightest bit of research, read some quotes and reaction from players and staff around McDaniels for all of his career, you'd quickly come to realize how wrong you are on a number of points.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 10:32 AM
I know it probably won't happen. Just an Arizona Alum. Gronk is a manchild of epic proportions. If his back is healthy I see him being a top tight end. And if I have to watch the Chiefs get thier white trash hillbilly stink on him I'll be sad.

The Chiefs are the least of our concerns.

Br0nc0Buster
04-19-2010, 10:33 AM
Eagles did well on this trade
We practically gave him away
oh well I didnt expect much value for him

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:33 AM
Do you want to go on record with who you think we should draft?

We should have kept Marshall and Tony.
I will go for LB,D-line, O-line and QB.
I don't want to take Dez Bryant as Mcd can't coach him.

Mcd's philosophy is to give preference to attitude over skill set.
It's really difficult to get player's like Royal,Bailey, Clady etc that display good attitude along with the skill set.

I do not have problem with his coaching.But, i have issue with the way he ignores skill set.

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:35 AM
Jesus. You are the whiniest football fan I've ever seen.

I told my opinion about Mcd.I really dislike him.
I said this many times..The only good thing he did is to trade cutler.

lostknight
04-19-2010, 10:35 AM
Now we just need to trade Eddie Royal for a 7th round draft pick, and the gutting will be complete.

Dagmar
04-19-2010, 10:36 AM
If you did the slightest bit of research, read some quotes and reaction from players and staff around McDaniels for all of his career, you'd quickly come to realize how wrong you are on a number of points.

No he's right, did you know McDaniels only coached the Broncos for half a season last year?

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-19-2010, 10:36 AM
Scheffler = Super Bowl MVP Holmes in the terms of draft pick compensation

Dedhed
04-19-2010, 10:36 AM
Eagles did well on this trade
We practically gave him away
oh well I didnt expect much value for him

I would have given a 7th just to get him off the team. the fact that we got a pick back is just a bonus.

Requiem
04-19-2010, 10:38 AM
The Eagles sent the picks, we never sent a pick to anyone. Eagles had to give up a fifth and a seventh for that to happen. We just get the fifth rounder, according to the ESPN article.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 10:39 AM
We should have kept Marshall and Tony.
I will go for LB,D-line, O-line and QB.
I don't want to take Dez Bryant as Mcd can't coach him.

Mcd's philosophy is to give preference to attitude over skill set.
It's really difficult to get player's like Royal,Bailey, Clady etc that display good attitude along with the skill set.

I do not have problem with his coaching.But, i have issue with the way he ignores skill set.

Most of the teams that win Super Bowls have high character/team player type guys across the board.

i.e. Broncos SB 32 and 33 teams.

It's not difficult to get the player with a good attitude/skill set through drafts. It just takes longer than good time charlies like yourself would prefer to wait.

WABronco
04-19-2010, 10:39 AM
HAHAHAHA enjoy Detroit. Later gator!

skunk
04-19-2010, 10:40 AM
This made me laugh a ridiculous amount!

this says a lot about your sense of humor, it appears we will never be friends :spit:

Br0nc0Buster
04-19-2010, 10:40 AM
The Eagles sent the picks, we never sent a pick to anyone. Eagles had to give up a fifth and a seventh for that to happen. We just get the fifth rounder, according to the ESPN article.

oh good
so we get the 7th and 5th?

elsid13
04-19-2010, 10:42 AM
oh good
so we get the 7th and 5th?

we get the 5th.

Lions get Scheffler and 7th

Eagles get Simms

SonOfLe-loLang
04-19-2010, 10:42 AM
I think ESPN has it wrong.

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 10:43 AM
The Eagles sent the picks, we never sent a pick to anyone. Eagles had to give up a fifth and a seventh for that to happen. We just get the fifth rounder, according to the ESPN article.

You're right again:

The Eagles sent a fifth-round pick in this week's draft to the Broncos and a seventh-round pick to the Lions to complete the trade on Monday.

Even better.

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:44 AM
Most of the teams that win Super Bowls have high character/team player type guys across the board.

i.e. Broncos SB 32 and 33 teams.

are u talking about SB we won more than 10 years back.
I am talking about current set of player's.
It is Mcd's responsibility to coach player's of different characters and bring the best of them(Orton,Marshall, Bailey etc).
According to me, it is easy to coach player's like orton, richard quinn, A.smith.
Unfortunately, their skill set is average and it won't win games.

If you observe the first draft, he took all good character guys.
He basically ignored the skill set.I am sure he will do the same in the upcoming draft.
I will be shocked if we take player's like Dez Bryant.

HEAV
04-19-2010, 10:45 AM
Lions acquired TE Tony Scheffler and a 2010 seventh-round pick from the Broncos in a three-team trade that also sent LB Ernie Sims to the Eagles in exchange for a 2010 fifth-round pick.

Denver gets the fifth-rounder from Philly.

Philly gets Sims

Lions get Scheff and a 7th

gyldenlove
04-19-2010, 10:45 AM
Most of the teams that win Super Bowls have high character/team player type guys across the board.

i.e. Broncos SB 32 and 33 teams.

It's not difficult to get the player with a good attitude/skill set through drafts. It just takes longer than good time charlies like yourself would prefer to wait.

They also had a guy who spit on an opponent and did drugs, but I guess he was a high character guy as well as well as a guy who was arrested for domestic abuse in a situation involving his wife and two kids and was ordered to complete anger management - all high character guys.

WolfpackGuy
04-19-2010, 10:46 AM
What an ass rape in favor of the Eagles.

Simms is pretty good and should do even better with the talent they have in PHI.

RonDaChamp24
04-19-2010, 10:46 AM
I am not sure why fans are excited about Mcd.
It is clear that he can't coach NFL players.

we won 2 games out of 8.on top that, he trades Marshall and Scheffler.
He has ego and i can bet that he will again screw the draft picks..

Actually, he won 8 games out of 16. He trades 3 guys who don't want to be here, and has the ego that most winning NFL coaches have. I bet since he has a year to get ready for this draft he'll be much more prepared than he was last year when he had 2 months.

Binkythefrog
04-19-2010, 10:48 AM
I am not sure why fans are excited about Mcd.
It is clear that he can't coach NFL players.

we won 2 games out of 8.on top that, he trades Marshall and Scheffler.
He has ego and i can bet that he will again screw the draft picks..

I totally agree. Tom Brady is terrible. Wes Welker belongs in the arena league. That 2007 Patriots Offense he coached absolutely sucked and he really screwed up coaching those players.

You'll see that 2007 team had no malcontents or people complaining about doing their job. Even Randy Moss was on board for that season. McDaniels knows what he is doing. He knows what a successful offense looks like. Sometimes its addition by subtraction, and while Marshall and Scheffler were good players we will never know exactly what went on behind the locker room doors at Dove Valley.

It's also easy to complain and think everything is going to hell sitting on a couch at home, but I for one will be optimistic about my team and enjoy watching Broncos football instead of being pissed about something I have little control over and having to eat my own words when things go well (which will happen).

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:50 AM
Actually, he won 8 games out of 16. He trades 3 guys who don't want to be here, and has the ego that most winning NFL coaches have. I bet since he has a year to get ready for this draft he'll be much more prepared than he was last year when he had 2 months.

I already told that he gives more preference to character than required.
He likes player's that doesn't speak much and nods their head.
Our team will be filled with high character people that doesn't know how to play football.

bap454
04-19-2010, 10:51 AM
I would have much rather have traded Sheff straight up for Ernie Simms....any takers??

Boss Man
04-19-2010, 10:55 AM
I would have much rather have traded Sheff straight up for Ernie Simms....any takers??

no doubt. hell i would have givin up our 5th and scheffler for sims. the fact that the eagles got sims for a 5th is ***in crazy talk

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 10:56 AM
are u talking about SB we won more than 10 years back.
I am talking about current set of player's.
It is Mcd's responsibility to coach player's of different characters and bring the best of them(Orton,Marshall, Bailey etc).
According to me, it is easy to coach player's like orton, richard quinn, A.smith.
Unfortunately, their skill set is average and it won't win games.

If you observe the first draft, he took all good character guys.
He basically ignored the skill set.I am sure he will do the same in the upcoming draft.
I will be shocked if we take player's like Dez Bryant.

Right, because the "Patriot philosophy" of drafting high character guys (and to be fair, picking up character rehabilitation projects in FA) has never won SB's.

Also, I'd like for you to elaborate on Dez Bryant's supposed "character issues". Josh has said publicly that Bryant is on their board. Seems like you know something I don't know. The latent racism in the media of labeling any guy who is a WR, young, talented, black, and from a broken family as having "character issues" is really irresponsible. Sure he made a mistake in college, when he lied about his contact with Deion Sanders because he's a kid who was scared ****less, but he never broke any rules or laws other than that.

yerner
04-19-2010, 10:57 AM
I think Sims is too small to play in the 3-4. Apparently the Lions didn't think he held up well in run support. The Eagles defense will use him differently I've just read.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 10:57 AM
Our team will be filled with high character people that doesn't know how to play football.

Like the Patriots SB winning teams?

Hercules Rockefeller
04-19-2010, 10:57 AM
You're right again:

The Eagles sent a fifth-round pick in this week's draft to the Broncos and a seventh-round pick to the Lions to complete the trade on Monday.

Even better.

ESPN is wrong.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-by-round-input/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:den

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 10:57 AM
I would have much rather have traded Sheff straight up for Ernie Simms....any takers??

Ernie simms was arrested couple of times in college.
Mcd will give preference to high character guys.

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 10:58 AM
We already have a tough enough time figuring out a way to use Woodyard. Why would we want Sims?

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 10:59 AM
This trade should make it easier for the team leaders to make a solid locker room, provided some other dick doesn't show up.

elsid13
04-19-2010, 11:00 AM
Like the Patriots SB winning teams?

The Patriots have as many problems with players and Denver does. The difference, they kept the stuff in house and have enough talent to win games. When you win, most of the b****ing take a back seat to everything else.

cmhargrove
04-19-2010, 11:01 AM
Is anyone really complaining about the seventh round pick?

We could easily get an impact player in round 5 (WR, OG, C, ILB, even a big bruising FB). A seventh rounder is a hair's breath away from undrafted. Not that it couldn't be a surprise player, but I like the fifth rounder in this year's draft.

Scheffler lost his value inn Denver (kind of like Brady Quinn did for Cleveland). In that situation, you get what you can. I'm fine with giving up a seventh rounder - we can get a UDFA punter and call it even...

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 11:01 AM
I would have much rather have traded Sheff straight up for Ernie Simms....any takers??

Sims isn't all that good, actually.

Gob
04-19-2010, 11:02 AM
I totally agree. Tom Brady is terrible. Wes Welker belongs in the arena league. That 2007 Patriots Offense he coached absolutely sucked and he really screwed up coaching those players.

You'll see that 2007 team had no malcontents or people complaining about doing their job. Even Randy Moss was on board for that season. McDaniels knows what he is doing. He knows what a successful offense looks like. Sometimes its addition by subtraction, and while Marshall and Scheffler were good players we will never know exactly what went on behind the locker room doors at Dove Valley.

It's also easy to complain and think everything is going to hell sitting on a couch at home, but I for one will be optimistic about my team and enjoy watching Broncos football instead of being pissed about something I have little control over and having to eat my own words when things go well (which will happen).

Name the coach who runs an ultra talented offense that sets records for scoring but can't win a superbowl, controls and gets the most out of Randy Moss, then takes over a less talented offensive team as HC and runs a low risk offense that limits mistakes and uses the defense (also hires and loses Nolan) to win games. Brian Billick

bowtown
04-19-2010, 11:02 AM
Sims isn't all that good, actually.

This.

Pony Boy
04-19-2010, 11:03 AM
I already told that he gives more preference to character than required.
He likes player's that doesn't speak much and nods their head.
Our team will be filled with high character people that doesn't know how to play football.

Shef just got thrown to the Lioins, get over it already......
Wow... go change your adopt-a-Bronco and use your Shef jersey for a crying towell .

WolfpackGuy
04-19-2010, 11:04 AM
we can get a UDFA punter and call it even


And make him a good one because the Broncos are going to be punting a lot this year.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 11:05 AM
They also had a guy who spit on an opponent and did drugs, but I guess he was a high character guy as well as well as a guy who was arrested for domestic abuse in a situation involving his wife and two kids and was ordered to complete anger management - all high character guys.

Romo, at the time, was considered a high character guy. The spitting incident makes me laugh because there is a lot of spitting, nut punching, and other types of cheap shots that occur during a football game. I guess Nalen and Dan Neal are guys you wouldn't want on your team then? Or Rod Smith for that matter?

We're talking in terms of football here. Brandon Marshall let his off the field problems get to the point where they were jeopardizing the success of his team. He also brought that to practice. Cutler was a complete baby and was not respected by many of his teammates. Romo, Rod Smith, Nalen et al were team players who had the respect of their teammates because they never complained, played hard, and did their jobs. I do know that Sharpe got in Romo's face about the spitting incident but they patched it up and continued pushing.

bowtown
04-19-2010, 11:05 AM
Name the coach who runs an ultra talented offense that sets records for scoring but can't win a superbowl, controls and gets the most out of Randy Moss, then takes over a less talented offensive team as HC and runs a low risk offense that limits mistakes and uses the defense (also hires and loses Nolan) to win games. Brian Billick

Yeah! Hey, remember when he beat us on his way to winning a Superbowl?

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 11:06 AM
Shef just got thrown to the Lioins, get over it already......
Wow... go change your adopt-a-Bronco and use your Shef jersey for a crying towell .

Maybe that's him. Did you ever think of that? He does whine a lot. ;D

cmhargrove
04-19-2010, 11:07 AM
And make him a good one because the Broncos are going to be punting a lot this year.

We'll see how the Broncos use their picks in the first three rounds before I can agree with this...

We'll win more games than last year if we can strengthen our run game and not count on Orton to be our savior.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 11:07 AM
The Patriots have as many problems with players and Denver does. The difference, they kept the stuff in house and have enough talent to win games. When you win, most of the b****ing take a back seat to everything else.

The core, star players on their teams?

Requiem
04-19-2010, 11:08 AM
Who knows what the deal is, but I don't think we are sending out any picks. Here is what I got from the Denver Post e-mail:


"Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler has been traded to his home town team, the Detroit
Lions, in a three-team trade that sends two currently undisclosed draft choices to
Denver and former top-10 draft pick and outside linebacker Ernie Sims to the
Philadelphia Eagles. "

</pre>

ColoradoDarin
04-19-2010, 11:10 AM
Dear Tony, "I can’t wait for your season to be over"




Over/Under on when he quits on that team? 7 games?

TotallyScrewed
04-19-2010, 11:12 AM
This trade should make it easier for the team leaders to make a solid locker room, provided some other dick doesn't show up.

Nope...No more dicks. The ones with the balls to stand up to and get in the face of the coach are gone.

Popcorn Sutton
04-19-2010, 11:13 AM
Interesting: Cutler sent to his favorite childhood team, Scheff sent to his favorite childhood team and Marshall also sent home... not sure what his favorite team was but it was likely Miami or Tampa.

Cool Breeze
04-19-2010, 11:14 AM
WOO HOO!
I am glad this is done!
On with the draft.
Here is a book to read for all of the whiners...

http://fast.mediamatic.nl/f/sjnh/image/922/22132-500-375.jpg

elsid13
04-19-2010, 11:14 AM
The core, star players on their teams?

Randy Moss punching a stripper ring a bell? Adalius Thomas (their highest paid LB) calling out the coaches? Bitching about how he is used? Wilfork bitching about franchise tag? Ted Johnson blasting the team about he was forced to play through concussions. This **** happens with every team, NE has just had enough talent to win which make it seem to better then it is.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 11:20 AM
Randy Moss punching a stripper ring a bell? Adalius Thomas (their highest paid LB) calling out the coaches? b****ing about how he is used? Wilfork b****ing about franchise tag? Ted Johnson blasting the team about he was forced to play through concussions. This **** happens with every team, NE has just had enough talent to win which make it seem to better then it is.

He punched a stripper? Seems like he's been a model citizen since his arrival in NE.

Other than that, Belichick rids the team of problem players. I don't see any difference.

Also, when it comes to acquiring "character guys", I'm referring to the draft. I think Wilfork and Johnson are the only draftees that you list.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 11:21 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14913814

Confirmed that WE gave up a 7th.

TotallyScrewed
04-19-2010, 11:21 AM
Dear Tony, "I can’t wait for your season to be over"




Over/Under on when he quits on that team? 7 games?

That's pathetic and classless.

Why can't all the haters just be happy that all the trouble makers are gone and get on with enjoying the Broncos? Why do you have to wish ill for former players?

If things are looking up, keep looking and don't lose your focus.

Bigdawg26
04-19-2010, 11:23 AM
Interesting: Cutler sent to his favorite childhood team, Scheff sent to his favorite childhood team and Marshall also sent home... not sure what his favorite team was but it was likely Miami or Tampa.

Well at least there trading guys to a place they want to be which is pretty classy. Man I thought we were going to get a 4th for him.

eddie mac
04-19-2010, 11:25 AM
Scheff reckons not great value on our part and I totally agree. There must've been very little interest at all in this bum.

jhns
04-19-2010, 11:26 AM
No team wins with all high character guys. The Steelers won with a rapist and a guy they just cut for bad character. The Patriots have all kinds of whining about contracts. Now they have Moss, although they haven't won a SB with him. It sure shows they aren't a team that cares a ton about character though. Even Manning calls out his o-line when he has bad games. We won with a roided up LB that spit in peoples faces and punched others. We had a TE that did all he could to put his face on TV (which I loved, the "someone call the national guard" makes me laugh every time). We had a QB that got a coach fired for trying to replace him. It sure doesn't sound like Elway was this team player that just rolled over and took whatever the coach dished....

Again, no successful team is run the way McD is trying to run this team. Even with all the front office changes every year, you don't see young pro bowlers being dumped for character issues. Do you guys really think we are the first team to have young players with character issues? Maybe we are the only one like that with a GM and coach that have no experience.....

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 11:27 AM
Man I thought we were going to get a 4th for him.

We got the same compensation that another team got for a productive, SB MVP wideout. We made out like bandits, my friend.

elsid13
04-19-2010, 11:29 AM
He punched a stripper? Seems like he's been a model citizen since his arrival in NE.

Other than that, Belichick rids the team of problem players. I don't see any difference.

Also, when it comes to acquiring "character guys", I'm referring to the draft. I think Wilfork and Johnson are the only draftees that you list.

It happened during the 16-0 season. There been other examples like last season "snow day" dismissal. A lot of character issue are swept under the rug when you are winning. The Patriots have been better at keeping thing internal then most teams which make them to be appear "cleaner" then other - see the Mcdaniels and Brady not speaking story.

Requiem
04-19-2010, 11:29 AM
Scheff reckons not great value on our part and I totally agree. There must've been very little interest at all in this bum.

So essentially, Tony and #220 for #137. Not a lot of faith in that guy it seems given the value, but I'd rather get a chance at a fifth round prospect this year at #137 instead of keep Tony and try with that late rounder.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 11:32 AM
No team wins with all high character guys. The Steelers won with a rapist and a guy they just cut for bad character. The Patriots have all kinds of whining about contracts. Now they have Moss, although they haven't won a SB with him. It sure shows they aren't a team that cares a ton about character though. Even Manning calls out his o-line when he has bad games. We won with a roided up LB that spit in peoples faces and punched others. We had a TE that did all he could to put his face on TV (which I loved, the "someone call the national guard" makes me laugh every time). We had a QB that got a coach fired for trying to replace him. It sure doesn't sound like Elway was this team player that just rolled over and took whatever the coach dished....

Again, no successful team is run the way McD is trying to run this team. Even with all the front office changes every year, you don't see young pro bowlers being dumped for character issues. Do you guys really think we are the first team to have young players with character issues? Maybe we are the only one like that with a GM and coach that have no experience.....

You're right, you can't have a perfect, squeeky clean team. No one is dealing in absolutes here. McD is simply trying to reduce the douchebag level of the team, and some of them happen to be talented players.

Shanahan's young players:

High douchebaggery----XX---------------------Low douchebaggery



After McD purge:

High douchebaggery--------------------XX-----Low douchebaggery

Play2win
04-19-2010, 11:32 AM
The trade went down yesterday but after the FO read my thread on the Mane they decided to not report it until today so as to not be predictable ;D

ha-ha... Sounds like a very likely story, indeed... ;D

That One Guy
04-19-2010, 11:32 AM
Right, because the "Patriot philosophy" of drafting high character guys (and to be fair, picking up character rehabilitation projects in FA) has never won SB's.

Also, I'd like for you to elaborate on Dez Bryant's supposed "character issues". Josh has said publicly that Bryant is on their board. Seems like you know something I don't know. The latent racism in the media of labeling any guy who is a WR, young, talented, black, and from a broken family as having "character issues" is really irresponsible. Sure he made a mistake in college, when he lied about his contact with Deion Sanders because he's a kid who was scared ****less, but he never broke any rules or laws other than that.

Being slightly more irresponsible than a 7 year old doesn't qualify as a character flaw? Every account has said that while the guy doesn't break laws necessarily, he's late for everything from practice to games and can't be relied on to even manage his own equipment. How does a guy like that do once he has a few million bucks put into his hand?

I'd call that a character flaw but keep blaming it on racism. Fool.

s0phr0syne
04-19-2010, 11:35 AM
I was wondering why Denver didn't just get Detroit's 5th (133), but I guess they shopped it to Seattle already.

Overall, not bad as bad as I thought to get the 137 instead of the 155, which is what I thought McX had got at first. Still not thrilled about giving up the 7th rounder (220), but I guess I don't have the same perception of "fair value" as the real execs.

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 11:36 AM
Being slightly more irresponsible than a 7 year old doesn't qualify as a character flaw? Every account has said that while the guy doesn't break laws necessarily, he's late for everything from practice to games and can't be relied on to even manage his own equipment. How does a guy like that do once he has a few million bucks put into his hand?

I'd call that a character flaw but keep blaming it on racism. Fool.

Being immature coming from a background such as his (read up on him) is a character flaw? Sounds like he needs some guidance on how to be a man and a professional. Now it would be a character flaw if he was doing all the things you listed and getting in campus brawls, robbing people, beating up girls, that sort of thing. You can't fix that.

ColoradoDarin
04-19-2010, 11:38 AM
You're right, you can't have a perfect, squeeky clean team. No one is dealing in absolutes here. McD is simply trying to reduce the douchebag level of the team, and some of them happen to be talented players.

Shanahan's young players:

High douchebaggery----XX---------------------Low douchebaggery



After McD purge:

High douchebaggery--------------------XX-----Low douchebaggery

Ahhhh yes, the sliding scale of douchebaggery! I don't think you can ever eliminate douchebags entirely, but at least you can keep the douchebaggery to a minimum.

And today we dropped the biggest douche from our team. "I can't wait for your career to be over Tony"

Paladin
04-19-2010, 11:41 AM
Mcd will screw the draft picks like he did last year.
I will bet $100 that he will be fired in couple of seasons(will not get extension).

Please stop being an arse. To Iggy you go.... You will remain there until you can post reaonable and intellignet posts.....

TailgateNut
04-19-2010, 11:42 AM
Please stop being an arse. To Iggy you go.... You will remain there until you can post reaonable and intellignet posts.....

:spit:

DawnBTVS
04-19-2010, 11:43 AM
I really like that Denver's stockpiling picks. They now have 6 picks in the first 5 Rounds (including a high 5th at 5.06) when they initially started the draft with just 4.

On top of that, they got rid of players that wanted out (Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler) and as was pointed out earlier, somewhat classy of McDaniels to send them to their favorite teams/home teams even if just coincidental.

Archer81
04-19-2010, 11:44 AM
Oh good gravy...


:Broncos:

baja
04-19-2010, 11:46 AM
Please stop being an arse. To Iggy you go.... You will remain there until you can post reaonable and intellignet posts.....

How will you know?

TailgateNut
04-19-2010, 11:46 AM
i really like that denver's stockpiling picks. They now have 6 picks in the first 5 rounds (including a high 5th at 5.06) when they initially started the draft with just 4.

On top of that, they got rid of players that wanted out (brandon marshall and tony scheffler) and as was pointed out earlier, somewhat classy of mcdaniels to send them to their favorite teams/home teams even if just coincidental.

rofl!

baja
04-19-2010, 11:48 AM
I really like that Denver's stockpiling picks. They now have 6 picks in the first 5 Rounds (including a high 5th at 5.06) when they initially started the draft with just 4.

On top of that, they got rid of players that wanted out (Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler) and as was pointed out earlier,<b> somewhat classy of McDaniels to send them to their favorite teams/home teams even if just coincidental.

If there had been a better deal on the table they would have gone there in a NY second.

jhns
04-19-2010, 11:49 AM
Being immature coming from a background such as his (read up on him) is a character flaw? Sounds like he needs some guidance on how to be a man and a professional. Now it would be a character flaw if he was doing all the things you listed and getting in campus brawls, robbing people, beating up girls, that sort of thing. You can't fix that.

You mean like Cutler did? I remember the constant reports of Cutler getting in brawls, robbing people, beating up girls, and that sort of thing. I think you are mistaken on the character message this team has been trying make. You can just as easily say Cutler was immature because he grew up privileged and was always told how great he is. That gave him a big head and he just needs some guidance from someone that can put him in his place.. You see, this qualification you are making up works the same for Cutler. Did it matter to this front office? No....

If we draft someone like Dez, it will only show the world how much of a joke McDaniels is. It will show he just gave away a QB because of an ego war. I still do not get how Bronco fans can defend this stupidity.

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 11:52 AM
You mean like Cutler did? I remember the constant reports of Cutler getting in brawls, robbing people, beating up girls, and that sort of thing. I think you are mistaken on the character message this team has been trying make. You can just as easily say Cutler was immature because he grew up privileged and was always told how great he is. That gave him a big head and he just needs some guidance from someone that can put him in his place.. You see, this qualification you are making up works the same for Cutler. Did it matter to this front office? No....

If we draft someone like Dez, it will only show the world how much of a joke McDaniels is. It will show he just gave away a QB because of an ego war. I still do not get how Bronco fans can defend this stupidity.

Don't worry..They will start supporting new coach once Mcd is fired.
Basically, most of the members in this forum just support blindly whatever coach does.
As per them, Broncos coach is right 100% of the time.

Archer81
04-19-2010, 11:57 AM
Don't worry..They will start supporting new coach once Mcd is fired.
Basically, most of the members in this forum just support blindly whatever coach does.
As per them, Broncos coach is right 100% of the time.

Way to mischaracterize people who are pro-McDaniels.

Its a change. The old way was clearly not working. A decade since a superbowl appearance will make a fan base anxious, especially since the Broncos have been superbowl regulars since the 1970s...

These "great" players did not get the team into the playoffs. They have all the talent in the world, but it did not = wins here. Blame the defense all you like, does not change the fact denver did not do anything with what they had.

If the idea is to clear the slate and start over, fine. Get players that work with what McDaniels wants to do and take the franchise in a different direction. The people who are pro-McDaniels tend to want to give him time to build his team, and see what they do.

:Broncos:

Shoemaker
04-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Don't worry..They will start supporting new coach once Mcd is fired.
Basically, most of the members in this forum just support blindly whatever coach does.
As per them, Broncos coach is right 100% of the time.

Yup. This is exactly what happens. Spot on.

Nobody ever offers any rational, logical, well thought out posts supporting a McDaniels decision.

Everybody who supports one of his decisions supports all of his decisions and thinks he's perfect and flawless. Nobody supports some of his decisions and questions the others.

You've got a good handle on what goes on here.

That One Guy
04-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Being immature coming from a background such as his (read up on him) is a character flaw? Sounds like he needs some guidance on how to be a man and a professional. Now it would be a character flaw if he was doing all the things you listed and getting in campus brawls, robbing people, beating up girls, that sort of thing. You can't fix that.

Justify his concerns as you wish but you're now admitting that they're there but trying to excuse them. When put on an even slate with other players, he is not of comparable character. That we can agree on then.

Now, beyond that, these guys are expected to know how to conduct themselves by the time they're millionaire adults. If they haven't learned it in 20 years, what makes you think it's going to change in a short NFL career? Sure it could, but it wouldn't be worth betting on. There's simple concepts like waking up for an alarm that don't need to be taught, it's basic concepts or responsibility. We had Rod Smith to try and turn around Marshall and he couldn't even begin to change the man. Who do we have to do that for Bryant?

Maybe Bryant's problems are manageable and worth the risk. So be it if he is. To claim that the questions are merely because he's black and from a broken family is just so stupidly insane, I'm incapable of even laughing.

jhns
04-19-2010, 11:59 AM
Don't worry..They will start supporting new coach once Mcd is fired.
Basically, most of the members in this forum just support blindly whatever coach does.
As per them, Broncos coach is right 100% of the time.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. Extreme homerism isn't a bad thing. The only problem with it, which I usually find funny, is when they start getting really mad/upset about others not agreeing with the boards group think.

baja
04-19-2010, 12:03 PM
Way to mischaracterize people who are pro-McDaniels.

Its a change. The old way was clearly not working. <b>A decade since a superbowl appearance will make a fan base anxious,</b> especially since the Broncos have been superbowl regulars since the 1970s...

These "great" players did not get the team into the playoffs. They have all the talent in the world, but it did not = wins here. Blame the defense all you like, does not change the fact denver did not do anything with what they had.

If the idea is to clear the slate and start over, fine. Get players that work with what McDaniels wants to do and take the franchise in a different direction. The people who are pro-McDaniels tend to want to give him time to build his team, and see what they do.

:Broncos:

So if a ten year drought makes a fan anxious what does that do to a Chiefs fan?

http://www.freewebs.com/kachukeland/Stressed-out%20guy.bmp

Archer81
04-19-2010, 12:04 PM
So if a ten year drought makes a fan anxious what does that do to a Chiefs fan?

http://www.freewebs.com/kachukeland/Stressed-out%20guy.bmp


You get Bob.


:Broncos:

WolfpackGuy
04-19-2010, 12:05 PM
It will show he just gave away a QB because of an ego war. I still do not get how Bronco fans can defend this stupidity.


Two first round picks and Orton, duh!

ColoradoDarin
04-19-2010, 12:07 PM
Two first round picks and Orton, duh!

Jay Cutler wanted to show the Bears that he was worth more than 2 picks. So he threw 26 of them.

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 12:09 PM
Yup. This is exactly what happens. Spot on.

Nobody ever offers any rational, logical, well thought out posts supporting a McDaniels decision.

Everybody who supports one of his decisions supports all of his decisions and thinks he's perfect and flawless. Nobody supports some of his decisions and questions the others.

You've got a good handle on what goes on here.

That's the problem here..To most people, whatever shanny did was correct
when he was our coach.
Now, Mcd is our coach and he couldn't do any wrong.

I was happy when Mcd traded cutler.
Unfortunately, he made it a habbit of trading player's for draft picks.

HAT
04-19-2010, 12:12 PM
How will you know?

:rofl:

Archer81
04-19-2010, 12:12 PM
That's the problem here..To most people, whatever shanny did was correct
when he was our coach.
Now, Mcd is our coach and he couldn't do any wrong.

I was happy when Mcd traded cutler.
Unfortunately, he made it a habbit of trading player's for draft picks.


...Have you been on this forum on draft day when Shanahan was coach? Comments like these weaken your argument and make you appear trollish.


:Broncos:

montrose
04-19-2010, 12:15 PM
Tony seems happy to be heading home - http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/04/19/scheffler-restore-the-roar/

Of note, probably wasn't intended this way but Xanders and McDaniels send the Holy Trinity of Football Greatness to places they'd like to be:

Jay Cutler - Grew up a Bears fan in an Indiana town a couple hours outside of Chicago.
Brandon Marshall - A Florida boy from Orlando, in his words just up the road from Miami.
Tony Scheffler - Grew up a Lions fan from a town in Michigan an hour outside Detroit.

jhns
04-19-2010, 12:16 PM
Two first round picks and Orton, duh!

Those were for Knox. Cutler was given away.

I bet multiple teams would give up that same thing for multiple young QBs right now. You know why the teams with the QBs don't take those deals? Maybe becuase it isn't near a young QBs value and is just like giving them away.

Shoemaker
04-19-2010, 12:16 PM
That's the problem here..To most people, whatever shanny did was correct
when he was our coach.
Now, Mcd is our coach and he couldn't do any wrong.

I was happy when Mcd traded cutler.
Unfortunately, he made it a habbit of trading player's for draft picks.

You are aware that my post was sarcastic, right?

I haven't seen a single person on this board act like you describe ALL of the McDaniels supporters acting.

Nobody has "blindly" supported 100% of his decisions. Many posters have praised some of his moves while expressing displeasure with others. And usually, his moves are supported with rational, logical posts that have sound reasoning behind them.

If anything, I would say that McDaniels' detractors fall more into the category of blindly disagreeing with every single move he makes. I can definitely count more posters here that hate EVERYTHING McDaniels has done and want him to be fired than I can posters who love every single move he's made no matter what.

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-19-2010, 12:21 PM
PFT comments:

CJV123 says:
April 19, 2010 1:52 PM
I'm fascinated by all the DET fans claiming Scheffler is a "backup TE." I knew the Lions sucked, but I had no idea how little their fans knew.

Scheffler is an ELITE offensive TE, when healthy. His only issue has been health. When he's healthy, he can DOMINATE, especially near the end zone. Think Jay Novacek with more speed here

Archer81
04-19-2010, 12:24 PM
PFT comments:

CJV123 says:
April 19, 2010 1:52 PM
I'm fascinated by all the DET fans claiming Scheffler is a "backup TE." I knew the Lions sucked, but I had no idea how little their fans knew.

Scheffler is an ELITE offensive TE, when healthy. His only issue has been health. When he's healthy, he can DOMINATE, especially near the end zone. Think Jay Novacek with more speed here


If he was an elite TE who was good for more than 35 catches a season and who could block...he would not have been traded to detroit.

:Broncos:

ColoradoDarin
04-19-2010, 12:24 PM
PFT comments:

CJV123 says:
April 19, 2010 1:52 PM
I'm fascinated by all the DET fans claiming Scheffler is a "backup TE." I knew the Lions sucked, but I had no idea how little their fans knew.

Scheffler is an ELITE offensive TE, when healthy. His only issue has been health. When he's healthy, he can DOMINATE, especially near the end zone. Think Jay Novacek with more speed here

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAa

HAT
04-19-2010, 12:29 PM
That's the problem here..To most people, whatever shanny did was correct
when he was our coach.
Now, Mcd is our coach and he couldn't do any wrong.



I don't think that is necessarily the case.

If you go back and read the 25+ page thread that wolfie started in 2007 titled something like "Shanny needs to go".......

You will see that most of Shanny's ardent supporters are now the most vocal McD haters....Simply b/c he is not Shanny.

And the opposite is also true. Most of us who thought that Shanny's way had become stale after 10+ years are primarily in favor of how McD is shaping this team.....Simply b/c he is not Shanny.

As for trading away Cutler/BM/Scheff.....I look it at like this: I am a fan of the team, not the individual players. They are all fair game if the price is right. There is no doubt in my mind that McX has gotten better than fair value for all 3. (Compared to what other teams have gotten for similar big name players over the past year).

The people doing most of the complaining aren't looking at it like though. They're just butt-hurt that 'The Mastermind' got canned and his replacement has sent their favorite player(s) packing.

I'm a big Angels fan & lived through this after they won their last World Series.....The 'player fans' whined when fan favorites like Eckstein/Erstad/Glaus/Percival were sent packing......The team fan in me saw it was necessary for Scioscia & Moreno to continue building a perennial contender the way THEY wanted instead of the way that Disney did.

Kaylore
04-19-2010, 12:53 PM
I haven't heard we gave up a seventh yet other than here. I will say that a fifth is on the high end of what I expected. If we gave a seventh its not as good, but ill take it. If nothing else we're working the board better than we were and clearing out the whiners. Have fun in detroit, Tony.

Baba Booey
04-19-2010, 12:58 PM
Have fun toiling up there, Tony. Dickhead.

Paladin
04-19-2010, 12:58 PM
ESPN keeps saying that the Lions got a fifth and a seventh, but does not clarify if it was a Denver 7th. The Eagales say they gave up a fifth and a 7th for Sims. I don't thinkd it is going to get clarified until the Broncos tell someone. And they don't talk to the press much.....

Broncos Trade Scheffler To Lions
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (CBS4) ―

Tony Scheffler's time as a Denver Broncos is over. Scheffler was traded Monday morning to the Detroit Lions.

The move isn't a surprise. It was pretty clear the Broncos would move the 4th year tight end at some point soon. It was simply a matter of where and when. Those questions were answered Monday.

Reports say the Broncos will receive draft picks in exchange for Scheffler in a three team deal involving the Lions and the Philadelphia Eagles.

The Scheffler trade is a three team deal involving the Broncos, Lions and Philadelphia Eagles. The Broncos will end up with a 5th round draft pick from Philadelphia.

Which is clear as mud......

Archer81
04-19-2010, 01:00 PM
We sent Scheffler to Det, a 7th to Det, got a 5th from Phil who got Sims from Det.


:Broncos:

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 01:02 PM
Don't worry..They will start supporting new coach once Mcd is fired.
Basically, most of the members in this forum just support blindly whatever coach does.
As per them, Broncos coach is right 100% of the time.

I place a lot more faith in people like Pat Bowlen to choose the right people (i.e. the coach) because he has consistently fielded a winner over the last 25+ years, than amateur posters who like to play GM on an internet message board. I know, that sounds pretty out there, but its true!

Hamrob
04-19-2010, 01:04 PM
Well...whose left to 86? Scheff didn't get us squat in return...but at least we have that monster we spend a 2nd on last year. That Quinn kid is a stud! Thank goodness.

So, how do I change by avatar?

broncocalijohn
04-19-2010, 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Paladin
Please stop being an arse. To Iggy you go.... You will remain there until you can post reasonable and intellignet posts.....

How will you know?

Someone will quote go_broncos and he will see it. Paladin will then look at another horrible post by go_broncos and decide that keeping him on iggy might be a long time home. I wont hold my breath for an intelligent post. Paladin, I will PM you when he has that reasonable post.

RaiderH8r
04-19-2010, 01:39 PM
Being immature coming from a background such as his (read up on him) is a character flaw? Sounds like he needs some guidance on how to be a man and a professional. Now it would be a character flaw if he was doing all the things you listed and getting in campus brawls, robbing people, beating up girls, that sort of thing. You can't fix that.

Being a man isn't tough to figure out, it comes with the tackle box. Be on time for **** you're supposed to be on time for. Do the work you're paid to do. Be reliable. Follow through on promises, your word is your bond. Learn how to properly tie a full windsor. Scotch, neat. Duct tape, pliers and a phillips head screwdriver can fix just about anything worth fixing. Don't hit women and children. Stand up for yourself. Protect the weak. Don't be an asshole. If you are an asshole and get your ass kicked don't f'ing cry about it.

There's more but that should get the guy going on the road to being a man. Not. Too. Tough.

Florida_Bronco
04-19-2010, 01:40 PM
Since PRBronco is slacking today... :)

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d63/strike019/PivenGTFO.gif

TheReverend
04-19-2010, 01:48 PM
Would've rather we traded him straight up for Ernie Sims.

Archer81
04-19-2010, 01:49 PM
Being a man isn't tough to figure out, it comes with the tackle box. Be on time for **** you're supposed to be on time for. Do the work you're paid to do. Be reliable. Follow through on promises, your word is your bond. Learn how to properly tie a full windsor. Scotch, neat. Duct tape, pliers and a phillips head screwdriver can fix just about anything worth fixing. Don't hit women and children. Stand up for yourself. Protect the weak. Don't be an a-hole. If you are an a-hole and get your ass kicked don't f'ing cry about it.

There's more but that should get the guy going on the road to being a man. Not. Too. Tough.


Did you learn all of that on your own or did you have someone to show you? I am not justifying Bryants or Marshall's behavior, but sometimes they only mimic what they see. If dad is a hustler, that kid is gonna grow up thinking a man has to be a hustler. Any asshole with a dick can say they are a man, but its not a natural thing. Its learned.

:Broncos:

JJJ
04-19-2010, 01:52 PM
Since 80% of Scheffler's career stats seems to have come against the Bolts, Charger fans are real happy that guy is out of the AFCW.

6 of his 13 career TDs came against SD.

RaiderH8r
04-19-2010, 01:56 PM
Did you learn all of that on your own or did you have someone to show you? I am not justifying Bryants or Marshall's behavior, but sometimes they only mimic what they see. If dad is a hustler, that kid is gonna grow up thinking a man has to be a hustler. Any a-hole with a dick can say they are a man, but its not a natural thing. Its learned.

:Broncos:

I figured it out. It really is not tough. It absolutely is a natural thing. How do professionals comport themselves? How do dumb ass broke dick f wads comport themselves? Which way do I comport myself? If dad is a broke dick f wad then even a 10 year old can figure out what that is. The question is, which path do we choose to take? The only real issue is that it is so much easier to conduct oneself as a f wad. It's easier to be a loser. It's harder to make the right choices in life and do the right thing. Most people know, without question, what the right choices in life are. Knowing that you should show up on time, do the work and take pride in what you do are not that tough to figure out.

That One Guy
04-19-2010, 01:59 PM
Did you learn all of that on your own or did you have someone to show you? I am not justifying Bryants or Marshall's behavior, but sometimes they only mimic what they see. If dad is a hustler, that kid is gonna grow up thinking a man has to be a hustler. Any a-hole with a dick can say they are a man, but its not a natural thing. Its learned.

:Broncos:

Agreed, noone's gonna argue the value of a stable upbringing.

However, you don't just discount that entirely when evaluating said person. He came from a ****ty upbringing so he may not be in line to win a Nobel in the near future but he should still be able to manage the very basics of adulthood. So far, even those simple things are what he's lacking. That's inexcuseable and more than simply a byproduct of a shoddy upbringing. Some of that responsibility falls at the kid's feet. Then, even if you say nothing was ever his fault, you'll still be drafting a guy and making him a millionaire when he can't manage himself properly. Money always seems to exaggerate irresponsibility, rarely does it seem to quell it.

That One Guy
04-19-2010, 02:01 PM
I figured it out. It really is not tough. It absolutely is a natural thing. How do professionals comport themselves? How do dumb ass broke dick f wads comport themselves? Which way do I comport myself? If dad is a broke dick f wad then even a 10 year old can figure out what that is. The question is, which path do we choose to take? The only real issue is that it is so much easier to conduct oneself as a f wad. It's easier to be a loser. It's harder to make the right choices in life and do the right thing. Most people know, without question, what the right choices in life are. Knowing that you should show up on time, do the work and take pride in what you do are not that tough to figure out.

Well said.

I continue to be amazed some of these people make it through top schools with these personality traits. Shows how important they truly hold academics when the monetary benefits are as large as they are.

Dendave
04-19-2010, 02:04 PM
I haven't heard we gave up a seventh yet other than here. I will say that a fifth is on the high end of what I expected. If we gave a seventh its not as good, but ill take it. If nothing else we're working the board better than we were and clearing out the whiners. Have fun in detroit, Tony.

from NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8179da99&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

not saying they are correct, because you can't believe everything you read on the internet

Philadelphia sent a 2010 fifth-round draft pick (137th overall) to Denver, which gave a 2010 seventh-round selection (220th overall) to Detroit. The Lions sent Sims to the Eagles.

cutthemdown
04-19-2010, 02:05 PM
I'm surprised we got anything for Sheff.

Archer81
04-19-2010, 02:06 PM
Agreed, noone's gonna argue the value of a stable upbringing.

However, you don't just discount that entirely when evaluating said person. He came from a ****ty upbringing so he may not be in line to win a Nobel in the near future but he should still be able to manage the very basics of adulthood. So far, even those simple things are what he's lacking. That's inexcuseable and more than simply a byproduct of a shoddy upbringing. Some of that responsibility falls at the kid's feet. Then, even if you say nothing was ever his fault, you'll still be drafting a guy and making him a millionaire when he can't manage himself properly. Money always seems to exaggerate irresponsibility, rarely does it seem to quell it.


Any decision an adult makes is laid soley at their feet. Upbringing is responsible for only so much. But some people choose to be wastes of space, and when called on it, the common refrain is "I didnt have a dad"...lots of people dont have fathers and end up responsible, so clearly someone showed them the right way to do something.

It does floor me that some of these kids coming out of college and go to the NFL can barely speak at a collegiate level and somehow manage to graduate. I would love to read some of the papers written by Pacman Jones or Edgerin James or Matt Jones. That would be a riot.

:Broncos:

NYBronco
04-19-2010, 02:20 PM
A fifth round selection for Scheffler is a good thing but more value comes in the fact that the malcontent is gone.

go_broncos
04-19-2010, 03:03 PM
Someone will quote go_broncos and he will see it. Paladin will then look at another horrible post by go_broncos and decide that keeping him on iggy might be a long time home. I wont hold my breath for an intelligent post. Paladin, I will PM you when he has that reasonable post.

Mcd is HOF coach and he can never do wrong.

Paladin
04-19-2010, 03:18 PM
Someone will quote go_broncos and he will see it. Paladin will then look at another horrible post by go_broncos and decide that keeping him on iggy might be a long time home. I wont hold my breath for an intelligent post. Paladin, I will PM you when he has that reasonable post.

Thanks.

Paladin
04-19-2010, 03:19 PM
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04-19-2010, 03:22 PM
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He's been calling you some pretty bad names...

The Joker
04-19-2010, 03:38 PM
Superb news.

Enjoy your time in Detroit Tony, try and stay healthy for that game against San Diego once every four years.

Old Dude
04-19-2010, 03:54 PM
I figured they'd get a mid-fifth. This is a fairly high fifth but they had to toss in a 7th so it shakes out roughly the same.

Meh.

Better than nothing.

Durango
04-19-2010, 03:59 PM
Is anyone really complaining about the seventh round pick?

We could easily get an impact player in round 5 (WR, OG, C, ILB, even a big bruising FB). A seventh rounder is a hair's breath away from undrafted. Not that it couldn't be a surprise player, but I like the fifth rounder in this year's draft.

Scheffler lost his value inn Denver (kind of like Brady Quinn did for Cleveland). In that situation, you get what you can. I'm fine with giving up a seventh rounder - we can get a UDFA punter and call it even...

Broncos 1973, 7th round: DE John Grant
Broncos 1975, 8th round: Steve Foley
Broncos 1979, 7th round: Luke Prestridge
Broncos 1982, 12th round: Karl Mecklenberg
Broncos 1982, 8th round: Gary Kubiak
Broncos 1987, 12th round: Tyrone Braxton
Broncos 1990, 7th round: Shannon Sharpe
Broncos 1994, 7th round: Tom Nalen
Broncos 2008, 7th round: Peyton Hillis

It's not a throw-away pick, and those are only the most notable. many others drafted in the 7th and beyond by Denver were very productive, if not star players. There are a lot more good football players than there are draft picks and Denver has had a history of making really good decisions late in the draft, not that that will apply to McDaniels, but it has historically. A 7th was just the mid-rounds of the draft twenty years ago.

My point is that it gets you player. It gives you a chance to take a chance. It's not a throw away pick, or shouldn't be at any rate. McDaniels seems to toss draft picks around like they were $2 bets at the cheap blackjack table. They have real worth and consequences.

bowtown
04-19-2010, 04:06 PM
don't forget Engleberger.

Drek
04-19-2010, 04:09 PM
Broncos 1973, 7th round: DE John Grant
Broncos 1975, 8th round: Steve Foley
Broncos 1979, 7th round: Luke Prestridge
Broncos 1982, 12th round: Karl Mecklenberg
Broncos 1982, 8th round: Gary Kubiak
Broncos 1987, 12th round: Tyrone Braxton
Broncos 1990, 7th round: Shannon Sharpe
Broncos 1994, 7th round: Tom Nalen
Broncos 2008, 7th round: Peyton Hillis

It's not a throw-away pick, and those are only the most notable. many others drafted in the 7th and beyond by Denver were very productive, if not star players. There are a lot more good football players than there are draft picks and Denver has had a history of making really good decisions late in the draft, not that that will apply to McDaniels, but it has historically. A 7th was just the mid-rounds of the draft twenty years ago.

My point is that it gets you player. It gives you a chance to take a chance. It's not a throw away pick, or shouldn't be at any rate. McDaniels seems to toss draft picks around like they were $2 bets at the cheap blackjack table. They have real worth and consequences.

"A history of making really good decisions late" yet your own examples have a 14 year gap between a HOF TE and a guy who two different coaches didn't want to put on the field if they had a choice.

So 1994 was the last time we got an impact player in the 7th round, by your own list. 16 years ago. That is not recent history. By NFL standards that barely even registers.

If you're looking for good 7th round pick examples then try Marquise Colston for some relevance to the current draft. But even still I'm sure it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to show a wider array of 5th rounders who've been impact players. Fact is in the 5th you should be selecting a better player, so using Scheffler to turn a late 7th into an early 5th is a decent move, if that is the best you can get for him (which it likely was).

ScottXray
04-19-2010, 04:11 PM
Broncos 1973, 7th round: DE John Grant
Broncos 1975, 8th round: Steve Foley
Broncos 1979, 7th round: Luke Prestridge
Broncos 1982, 12th round: Karl Mecklenberg
Broncos 1982, 8th round: Gary Kubiak
Broncos 1987, 12th round: Tyrone Braxton
Broncos 1990, 7th round: Shannon Sharpe
Broncos 1994, 7th round: Tom Nalen
Broncos 2008, 7th round: Peyton Hillis

It's not a throw-away pick, and those are only the most notable. many others drafted in the 7th and beyond by Denver were very productive, if not star players. There are a lot more good football players than there are draft picks and Denver has had a history of making really good decisions late in the draft, not that that will apply to McDaniels, but it has historically. A 7th was just the mid-rounds of the draft twenty years ago.

My point is that it gets you player. It gives you a chance to take a chance. It's not a throw away pick, or shouldn't be at any rate. McDaniels seems to toss draft picks around like they were $2 bets at the cheap blackjack table. They have real worth and consequences.

Well, you can get a seventh round pick yes, but really by that stage it is mainly luck and the players desire to prove everyone wrong that comes into play. Yes, it would have been nice to not give anything more than Sheffler....but a high 5th in this draft is pretty good, considering the market, and we were going to trade him, for whatever. Would you rather we only got a sixth?
The value of this will be determined by what we take with that 5th, and what Detroit does with the seventh, and we won't probably know for 5 years what that is. Hopefully the grasshopper chooses wisely!

Durango
04-19-2010, 04:22 PM
"A history of making really good decisions late" yet your own examples have a 14 year gap between a HOF TE and a guy who two different coaches didn't want to put on the field if they had a choice.

So 1994 was the last time we got an impact player in the 7th round, by your own list. 16 years ago. That is not recent history. By NFL standards that barely even registers.

If you're looking for good 7th round pick examples then try Marquise Colston for some relevance to the current draft. But even still I'm sure it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to show a wider array of 5th rounders who've been impact players. Fact is in the 5th you should be selecting a better player, so using Scheffler to turn a late 7th into an early 5th is a decent move, if that is the best you can get for him (which it likely was).

Well, you're demanding gold for a gamble, and obviously, it doesn't happen all that often, but plenty of 'impact' players were taken in the 7th between '94 and 2009, I only listed the most notable

1995 Broncos 7th round Byron Chamberlain
1998 Broncos 7th round Trey Teague & Special teamer Nate Wayne
1999 Broncos 7th round Billy Miller
2002 Broncos 7th round Monsanto Pope

Maybe not franchise-type players, but 'impact' players in a sense because they made a difference. So, no, there's wasn't a 16 year gap. The ones I mentioned originally were only the biggest names.

rastaman
04-19-2010, 04:28 PM
I really like that Denver's stockpiling picks. They now have 6 picks in the first 5 Rounds (including a high 5th at 5.06) when they initially started the draft with just 4.

On top of that, they got rid of players that wanted out (Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler) and as was pointed out earlier, somewhat classy of McDaniels to send them to their favorite teams/home teams even if just coincidental.

The flip side of it all is McD is accumulating all these drafts over the last two years and the accumulations of picks will continue next year as well....these picks could actually out last Josh himself. Would that be ironic or what?

Steve Sewell
04-19-2010, 04:30 PM
I figured it out. It really is not tough. It absolutely is a natural thing. How do professionals comport themselves? How do dumb ass broke dick f wads comport themselves? Which way do I comport myself? If dad is a broke dick f wad then even a 10 year old can figure out what that is. The question is, which path do we choose to take? The only real issue is that it is so much easier to conduct oneself as a f wad. It's easier to be a loser. It's harder to make the right choices in life and do the right thing. Most people know, without question, what the right choices in life are. Knowing that you should show up on time, do the work and take pride in what you do are not that tough to figure out.

Its easy to say that if your background isn't that of a kid born to a 15-year old mother (who had 3 kids before 18 yrs old) without a father around, bouncing around between relatives houses because mom was incarcerated as a drug dealer.

Drek
04-19-2010, 04:34 PM
Well, you're demanding gold for a gamble, and obviously, it doesn't happen all that often, but plenty of 'impact' players were taken in the 7th between '94 and 2009, I only listed the most notable

1995 Broncos 7th round Byron Chamberlain
1998 Broncos 7th round Trey Teague & Special teamer Nate Wayne
1999 Broncos 7th round Billy Miller
2002 Broncos 7th round Monsanto Pope

Maybe not franchise-type players, but 'impact' players in a sense because they made a difference. So, no, there's wasn't a 16 year gap. The ones I mentioned originally were only the biggest names.

Teams pull role players out of every round including UDFA. Hell, we got Rod Smith as a UDFA, that is where the Cowboys got Romo. Should we just stop wasting money on the draft and instead sign a ton of UDFAs?

I don't think you actually have a point here, so I'll stop arguing with you. Fact is an early 5th is better than a 7th. Simple math there akin to saying 10 is a bigger number than 5. Just is what it is. I'd take an early 5th over a 7th any day of the week, and that is the best offer we got for Scheffler. So good deal and good bye to Tony.

Durango
04-19-2010, 04:36 PM
Well, you can get a seventh round pick yes, but really by that stage it is mainly luck and the players desire to prove everyone wrong that comes into play. Yes, it would have been nice to not give anything more than Sheffler....but a high 5th in this draft is pretty good, considering the market, and we were going to trade him, for whatever. Would you rather we only got a sixth?
The value of this will be determined by what we take with that 5th, and what Detroit does with the seventh, and we won't probably know for 5 years what that is. Hopefully the grasshopper chooses wisely!

All your points are valid and true, and yes, I would've taken a sixth and kept the 7th, but that's me, and who the hell am I?

I was only lamenting the fact that an earlier fan dismissed the value of a 7th as a 'hairsbreath' away from free agent status, and while that's true in the most strict sense, there's a chance, and actually a pretty good chance, you can catch lightning in a bottle.

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 04:39 PM
Would've rather we traded him straight up for Ernie Sims.

OK, I'll bite. What's so great about Ernie Sims?

Rohirrim
04-19-2010, 04:49 PM
OK, I'll bite. What's so great about Ernie Sims?

He's smaller and slower than Wesley Woodyard?

Do I win anything?

bowtown
04-19-2010, 04:54 PM
He costed a 1st.

tesnyde
04-19-2010, 06:32 PM
Being a man isn't tough to figure out, it comes with the tackle box. Be on time for **** you're supposed to be on time for. Do the work you're paid to do. Be reliable. Follow through on promises, your word is your bond. Learn how to properly tie a full windsor. Scotch, neat. Duct tape, pliers and a phillips head screwdriver can fix just about anything worth fixing. Don't hit women and children. Stand up for yourself. Protect the weak. Don't be an a-hole. If you are an a-hole and get your ass kicked don't f'ing cry about it.

There's more but that should get the guy going on the road to being a man. Not. Too. Tough.

True, but haven't you heard these days everyone gets a reward whether earned or not, there are no losers, the government will take care of us so no need for hard work or to earn anything, and lying, cheating, plagiarism, and wearing girls clothes is ok. It’s Ok to be yourself even if what’s in your britches says different. The death of being man died with theses Georges…Patton, Washington, Carlin, and changed with George Michael and Boy George.

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 07:09 PM
He costed a 1st.

Roh, bowtown cost you the prize, take it up with bowtown and leave me out of it. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation. :~ohyah!:

mhgaffney
04-19-2010, 07:09 PM
Good riddance, Tony! I can't wait for your career to be over!

There is nothing more pathetic than a FB fan on steroids.

Caligula
04-19-2010, 07:24 PM
instead of the 7-8th round picks JUST in Denver.. you need to look at all of them in the NFL. For the entire drafting regime changes. So you have to look at ALLL the players in the NFL that have been taken in the 6th-8th rounds and see that a 7th is not some "throw away" pic.....

its absurd to say it.

Chris
04-19-2010, 07:24 PM
Bryants mom was actually 12, not 15.

SoCalBronco
04-19-2010, 07:26 PM
Tony's got a great young QB throwing to him again and the Lions have some nice weapons. It's still not an ideal situation because its Detroit, but at least its more TE friendly. I hope he does very well there and gets a shiny new contract. Go Tony!

Drek
04-19-2010, 07:27 PM
instead of the 7-8th round picks JUST in Denver.. you need to look at all of them in the NFL. For the entire drafting regime changes. So you have to look at ALLL the players in the NFL that have been taken in the 6th-8th rounds and see that a 7th is not some "throw away" pic.....

its absurd to say it.

Of course it isn't a throw away, but to be critical of exchanging a mid/late 7th for an early 5th is just looking for something to bitch about.

cmhargrove
04-19-2010, 07:38 PM
instead of the 7-8th round picks JUST in Denver.. you need to look at all of them in the NFL. For the entire drafting regime changes. So you have to look at ALLL the players in the NFL that have been taken in the 6th-8th rounds and see that a 7th is not some "throw away" pic.....

its absurd to say it.

Man, I get the point. People are focusing on the minutae here. If you don't like the Scheffler trade, fine. The bigger waste was the fact that he originally cost us a second round pick. How about this little factoid - Scheffler was one pick after Maurice Jones-Drew.

If I was a GM, I would certainly want all the picks possible, but I will always (I repeat always) parlay my seven original picks into seven higher picks if possible.

We lost a mid seventh rounder (21 spots from UDFA), and got a very high fifth. The situation isn't "awesome" but certainly a plus from the talent pool perspective. So, before we start calling everything "absurd," just show me the pick you really wanted when the last 21 picks of the draft are completed (after this weekend).

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 07:39 PM
Tony's got a great young QB throwing to him again and the Lions have some nice weapons. It's still not an ideal situation because its Detroit, but at least its more TE friendly. I hope he does very well there and gets a shiny new contract. Go Tony!

Jeez, do you want to fly there and lay out some doilies for his drinks, maybe shine his shoes?

watermock
04-19-2010, 07:45 PM
The Chiefs are the least of our concerns.

I that why they came into our house at 3-14 and clocked us 34-13?

That's funny if it wasn't pathetic.

What about the great FatMarcus pulling an Elway?

baja
04-19-2010, 07:50 PM
I that why they came into our house at 3-14 and clocked us 34-13?

That's funny if it wasn't pathetic.

What about the great FatMarcus pulling an Elway?

How many wins you predicting this year Mock?

Caligula
04-19-2010, 07:51 PM
Man, I get the point. People are focusing on the minutae here. If you don't like the Scheffler trade, fine. The bigger waste was the fact that he originally cost us a second round pick. How about this little factoid - Scheffler was one pick after Maurice Jones-Drew.

If I was a GM, I would certainly want all the picks possible, but I will always (I repeat always) parlay my seven original picks into seven higher picks if possible.

We lost a mid seventh rounder (21 spots from UDFA), and got a very high fifth. The situation isn't "awesome" but certainly a plus from the talent pool perspective. So, before we start calling everything "absurd," just show me the pick you really wanted when the last 21 picks of the draft are completed (after this weekend).

I can name a ton of players at every draft position,and 'complain' about who was taken before a great player. Thats irrelevent and means nothing to me.

He wasn't a wasted pick with the former regime. So far, it seems the quality nucleus we had on this team, is only a waste with the newest brilliant 'system' that doesn't need good players. THey just need to know how to kiss the backside of the coach.

So, I'm sorry. I think its pretty silly to say the pick was a wasted pick in the second round when he was a valuable player prior to McD's arrival.

I guess we should go ahead and trade away Royal as well. Another 2nd round pick that doesn't seem to work in the magician's "system."

broncswin
04-19-2010, 07:57 PM
Scheffy a LION
LOL

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 07:59 PM
I that why they came into our house at 3-14 and clocked us 34-13?

That's funny if it wasn't pathetic.

What about the great FatMarcus pulling an Elway?

There's a dog breed named after you - Attention Hound.

Dedhed
04-19-2010, 08:24 PM
He wasn't a wasted pick with the former regime. So far, it seems the quality nucleus we had on this team, is only a waste with the newest brilliant 'system' that doesn't need good players.

How many playoff wins did that quality nucleus achieve?

More importantly, how much did the team improve while they were in Denver?

tsiguy96
04-19-2010, 09:03 PM
mcdaniels has been golden on all his trades so far, yet could barely get a 5th (had to give 7th) for scheffler. shows his street value.

FireFly
04-19-2010, 09:03 PM
Geeze, I'd have rathered Sims for Shef straight up and cut out the middle man!

db56
04-19-2010, 09:06 PM
I had high expectations for Sheffler initially, but the guy just wasnt tough enough or durable enough to mix it up in the run game and be an every down tight end, a high 2nd round pick that blossomed into a #4 WR, one of the many Shanahan bombs...
under the circumstances the current regime got acceptable value in return for a player that was going to be cut... grade A

wolf754life
04-19-2010, 09:30 PM
ernie sims has a year left on his deal, after that he walks............

so stop touting ernie sims

it is an incredibly average trade, nothing more, nothing less...

scheffler wanted out, he wanted paid, now he can go see what he is worth.

all of you fanboys better decide what side of the fence your on before the season starts.

TheReverend
04-19-2010, 09:40 PM
ernie sims has a year left on his deal, after that he walks............

so stop touting ernie sims

it is an incredibly average trade, nothing more, nothing less...

scheffler wanted out, he wanted paid, now he can go see what he is worth.

all of you fanboys better decide what side of the fence your on before the season starts.

Welcome back, wolf

watermock
04-19-2010, 09:47 PM
Stafford gets a WR/TE we'll see.

spdirty
04-19-2010, 09:53 PM
ernie sims has a year left on his deal, after that he walks............

so stop touting ernie sims

it is an incredibly average trade, nothing more, nothing less...

scheffler wanted out, he wanted paid, now he can go see what he is worth.

all of you fanboys better decide what side of the fence your on before the season starts.

talk your **** if this guy exceeds what Shanahan did his second year. Until then, he has a lot to prove. If we regress recordwise from last year, this guy is a failure. Im taking a wait and see attitude.

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 10:18 PM
I'll toss this out for consideration - Scheffler could end up having a Byron Chamberlain-like career.

Shanny cut Chamberlain loose for nothing, hopefully Denver gets something for Scheffler.

ludo21
04-19-2010, 10:35 PM
Sheffler is going to be a solid receiving TE for years to come. Not a pro bowler but a good one nonetheless.

Getting a 5th for a guy on the market this year is great for us. I hope we can replace his production with Quinn stepping up.

SoCalBronco
04-19-2010, 10:37 PM
I'll toss this out for consideration - Scheffler could end up having a Byron Chamberlain-like career.

Shanny cut Chamberlain loose for nothing, hopefully Denver gets something for Scheffler.

Twinkies were the downfall of Chamberlain's career.

Archer81
04-19-2010, 10:47 PM
Sheffler is going to be a solid receiving TE for years to come. Not a pro bowler but a good one nonetheless.

Getting a 5th for a guy on the market this year is great for us. I hope we can replace his production with Quinn stepping up.


Dont you expect more out of a second round pick?


:Broncos:

Dedhed
04-19-2010, 10:51 PM
Geeze, I'd have rathered Sims for Shef straight up and cut out the middle man!

Why? Do we need more STers?

Carmelo15
04-19-2010, 11:07 PM
What's funny is that for all the sh!t many of you give McD for the Quinn pick, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if he has a better career as a Bronco than Sheffler, another 2nd round TE.

Dagmar
04-19-2010, 11:15 PM
Dont you expect more out of a second round pick?


:Broncos:

Only if it's picked by McDaniels. It's the rule round here.

Cito Pelon
04-19-2010, 11:27 PM
My fault - I confused Desmond Clark with Byron Chamberlain.

So I'll try again:

Scheffler could end up having a Desmond Clark-like career.

Shanny cut Desmond Clark loose for nothing, hopefully Denver get's something for Scheffler.

watermock
04-19-2010, 11:38 PM
What's funny is that for all the **** many of you give McD for the Quinn pick, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if he has a better career as a Bronco than Sheffler, another 2nd round TE.


Wow.

watermock
04-20-2010, 12:23 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2506&dateline=1270065006

Just curious.

cutthemdown
04-20-2010, 12:24 AM
Wow.

I actually think Quinn more physical and probably has a better chance of making Mcdaniels happy then Sheff ever would.

He was raw last yr though. I think he is behind Sheff a tad right now, but honestly Sheff should be miles ahead of him.

watermock
04-20-2010, 12:37 AM
I don't know what trading Scheffer has to do with Quinn.

extralife
04-20-2010, 12:40 AM
Dont you expect more out of a second round pick?


:Broncos:

...no? They can't all be in the Hall of Fame, son.