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The MVPlaya
04-16-2010, 09:01 PM
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http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/16724/five-greatest-draft-classes-since-67

1983

Why it's the best: No other class came close using the point system from ESPN Stats & Information. The 1983 class finished in a virtual tie with the 1996 and 1981 classes even when I removed from consideration the three Hall of Fame quarterbacks -- Elway, Marino and Jim Kelly. No class had more combined Pro Bowls from its top-10 picks (42) or more combined Pro Bowls from players drafted later than the 200th overall choice (26). Five of the six Hall of Famers played their entire NFL careers with one team for 83 combined seasons, or 16.6 on average.

Hall of Famers: Elway (Broncos), Kelly (Bills), Marino (Dolphins), Green (Redskins), Dickerson (Rams), Matthews (Oilers)

Hall of Fame finalists: Richard Dent (Bears), Roger Craig (49ers)

Other big names: Karl Mecklenburg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6652) (Broncos), Joey Browner (Vikings), Chris Hinton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6563) (Broncos), Charles Mann (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6861) (Redskins), Dave Duerson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6733) (Bears), Leonard Marshall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=7170) (Giants), Albert Lewis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6555) (Chiefs), Curt Warner (Seahawks), Jimbo Covert (Bears), Henry Ellard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6431) (Rams), Mark Clayton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6404) (Dolphins), Tim Krumrie (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6742) (Bengals), Greg Townsend (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6562) (Raiders), Gill Byrd (Chargers), Don Mosebar (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6870) (Raiders), Darryl Talley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=6732) (Bills).

Late-round steals: Mecklenburg was the 310th overall choice. Dent went 203rd overall. Clayton went 223rd. They combined for 15 Pro Bowls.

Ah, the memories: Green grew up in Houston rooting for the Oilers, but his hometown team wasn't very accommodating on draft day. His family didn't have cable TV, so they couldn't watch the draft on ESPN. They had heard the Oilers would be showing it at their facility, or at least providing real-time updates, but Green was turned away.

"They sent my little behind on out of there," Green said. "That is the way that went. What is funny, I’m a Houstonian, I played 20 years in the NFL, started 18 years and I never played in Houston but one time, so I couldn’t stick it to them. ... But you always love your hometown. I was a Luv Ya Blue, Bum Phillips, Kenny Burrough, Earl Campbell, Dan Pastorini fan."

Green was used to the cold shoulder. Tim Lewis, drafted 11th overall by Green Bay, was supposed to be the superstar cornerback that year. Looking back, Green liked going one spot after Marino. Green also values being a bookend to a first round featuring Elway on the other side.

"[Redskins general manager] Bobby Beathard told me if I was there, he would take me," Green said. "I'd always been told by pro players, 'Hey, don’t believe anything they say.' As an adult, I know why. Things change. But the man told me. We got down to Dan Marino at 27 and I knew I wouldn't be 27. Then when we got to 28, the last pick of the first round, now I’ve got nothing else to do but believe it. I was extremely excited he maintained his word."

Archer81
04-16-2010, 09:02 PM
Yet the greatest 1st round selections at QB starts with Bradshaw and includes Marino, Kelly and Manning...where the **** is Elway on that list?


:Broncos:

extralife
04-16-2010, 09:03 PM
Yet the greatest 1st round selections at QB starts with Bradshaw and includes Marino, Kelly and Manning...where the **** is Elway on that list?

Yeah, not even mentioning Elway in that piece was probably the single stupidest thing I've ever seen on espn.com

Archer81
04-16-2010, 09:04 PM
Yeah, not even mentioning Elway in that piece was probably the single stupidest thing I've ever seen on espn.com


Its silly as ****. Not a single Bronco in that list.

But they can put in Troy "diana ross" Polamalu?


:Broncos:

Bronco CB40
04-17-2010, 01:22 AM
Yet the greatest 1st round selections at QB starts with Bradshaw and includes Marino, Kelly and Manning...where the **** is Elway on that list?

It's hard to give the Colts credit for the selection of Elway when they turned around and dealt him to Denver.

dsmoot
04-17-2010, 07:47 AM
Yet the greatest 1st round selections at QB starts with Bradshaw and includes Marino, Kelly and Manning...where the **** is Elway on that list?


:Broncos:

Terry Bradshaw isn't capable of holding John Elway's jock. You take the numerous pro bowl players away from Pitt during his time and place him on the Bronco teams of 1985 - 1990 and Terry is just a name on a stat sheet.

DawnBTVS
04-17-2010, 03:04 PM
I'd be curious to see what the best 1st Round ever is. 1989 would have to be an incredibly strong contender: Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, Deion Sanders, Eric Metcalf (underrated as a return man career wise), Steve Atwater, and Andre Rison.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-17-2010, 03:05 PM
I have been led to believe by some one this website that the Broncos '06 draft was the greatest ever. Why did ESPN not give that class its own category of recognition?

Hercules Rockefeller
04-17-2010, 03:07 PM
I'd be curious to see what the best 1st Round ever is. 1989 would have to be an incredibly strong contender: Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, Deion Sanders, Eric Metcalf (underrated as a return man career wise), Steve Atwater, and Andre Rison.

'83

Even if Atwater gets in the HoF, the '83 1st round will still have more.

gunns
04-17-2010, 04:13 PM
Is this the thing where you could keep voting between two players? I did it for quite awhile and never saw Elway or E. Manning. Mine ended up with Butkus on top. Loved that guy.

Hogan11
04-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Troy "diana ross" Polamalu?

Ha!

Circle Orange
04-18-2010, 11:07 AM
Yet the greatest 1st round selections at QB starts with Bradshaw and includes Marino, Kelly and Manning...where the **** is Elway on that list?


:Broncos:

Because there seems to be some kind of dislike of Elway on ESPN, who despite his abilty and accomplishments is usually made "mortal" in commentary. Except for TJ, of course. I never got it...during the last few years they made him out like a washed up bum hanging on with a running game, yet Favre is so 'great' despite not doing anything the last half of his career (except throwing killing picks in playoff games). And what did TD do without his qb? It was an annoying argument back in the day.

But look at how marginally talented qbs like Brady and even to some degree Manning are elevated into godlike status. It's silly beyond words. Don't tell me hamburger is steak just because there ain't no steak in the restaraunt.

Love that tri panel of ELway/Kelly/Marino. That would make one hell of a cool (and expensive) fathead on the wall.

DawnBTVS
04-18-2010, 01:56 PM
I think the lack of inclusion of Elway is fairly obvious... he was TRADED to Denver. Denver didn't select him like Pittsburgh, Miami, Buffalo, and Indy did with the Bradshaw/Marino/Kelly/Peyton mentions. It's probably a small nit pick if you're arguing semantics but apparently ESPN thinks it matters.

I also wouldn't call Brady or Peyton "marginally talented" at all. They have proved they're quite talented as pocket quarterbacks. Can they scramble like an Elway or Steve Young could? Obviously not although Brady's proven he can run if an opening's there and Peyton was actually a decent scrambler early in his career for a brief few years (Could've run for 180-200 a season if he got 50-55 rush attempts).

I don't follow ESPN's opinion much but always thought Favre was overrated more often than not. I think part of the "image" problem with Elway is that he won his Super Bowls at the very end of his career and many saw the reasoning as, "He finally got a RB" (e.g. Terrell Davis). So there's almost more platitude given to Davis for helping John win those Super Bowls and Elway himself is unfortunately overlooked for his contributions both during the season and during the postseason.

Circle Orange
04-19-2010, 02:47 PM
I think the lack of inclusion of Elway is fairly obvious... he was TRADED to Denver. Denver didn't select him like Pittsburgh, Miami, Buffalo, and Indy did with the Bradshaw/Marino/Kelly/Peyton mentions. It's probably a small nit pick if you're arguing semantics but apparently ESPN thinks it matters.

I also wouldn't call Brady or Peyton "marginally talented" at all. They have proved they're quite talented as pocket quarterbacks. Can they scramble like an Elway or Steve Young could? Obviously not although Brady's proven he can run if an opening's there and Peyton was actually a decent scrambler early in his career for a brief few years (Could've run for 180-200 a season if he got 50-55 rush attempts).

I don't follow ESPN's opinion much but always thought Favre was overrated more often than not. I think part of the "image" problem with Elway is that he won his Super Bowls at the very end of his career and many saw the reasoning as, "He finally got a RB" (e.g. Terrell Davis). So there's almost more platitude given to Davis for helping John win those Super Bowls and Elway himself is unfortunately overlooked for his contributions both during the season and during the postseason.

You're right, I should have clarified. Brady and Manning are precision pocket passers who rely on rhythm and timing. Marino was similar in style, but had more physical talent doing this.

Can you imagine any of those guys in this league of offensive rules now?

And it wasn't like it was just TD on those teams. Frankly, the entire team blocked for him. People cherry pick information to form opinions and run with it. If anyone thinks that club wins back to back with Bubby Brister, they're worse than idiots.

Cold reality hit when the team went 0-4 before TD got injured the following year. Who the hell takes a HOF qb for granted? It was almost like the media was tired of him, so they tried to minimize him. Stupid, stupid. And here in DC, Shanahan is still trying to recapture the past and chase that holy grail with McNabb.

ESPN is run by tools anyway. They are just so in love with certain players no matter what.

Archer81
04-19-2010, 02:55 PM
I think the lack of inclusion of Elway is fairly obvious... he was TRADED to Denver. Denver didn't select him like Pittsburgh, Miami, Buffalo, and Indy did with the Bradshaw/Marino/Kelly/Peyton mentions. It's probably a small nit pick if you're arguing semantics but apparently ESPN thinks it matters.

I also wouldn't call Brady or Peyton "marginally talented" at all. They have proved they're quite talented as pocket quarterbacks. Can they scramble like an Elway or Steve Young could? Obviously not although Brady's proven he can run if an opening's there and Peyton was actually a decent scrambler early in his career for a brief few years (Could've run for 180-200 a season if he got 50-55 rush attempts).

I don't follow ESPN's opinion much but always thought Favre was overrated more often than not. I think part of the "image" problem with Elway is that he won his Super Bowls at the very end of his career and many saw the reasoning as, "He finally got a RB" (e.g. Terrell Davis). So there's almost more platitude given to Davis for helping John win those Super Bowls and Elway himself is unfortunately overlooked for his contributions both during the season and during the postseason.


I dont think trading a high draft oick after being drafted should count. Elway was the best QB taken in the 1983 draft. He is not on that list, but Marino is? So 1 SB appearance is greater than 5 SB appearances?

ESPN can go **** itself.

:Broncos: