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iDENVER
04-13-2010, 01:14 PM
per adam schefter

crush17
04-13-2010, 01:15 PM
here we go...trade coming.

PRBronco
04-13-2010, 01:15 PM
Bombshell!

Dagmar
04-13-2010, 01:17 PM
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Rohirrim
04-13-2010, 01:17 PM
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Chris
04-13-2010, 01:17 PM
What does this mean again?

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:18 PM
Son of a ***** here we go

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 01:19 PM
I won't believe it till something cums from Josina.

hookemhess
04-13-2010, 01:19 PM
@Adam_Schefter To facilitate trade talks between Broncos and other teams, WR Brandon Marshall signed his $2.5 million tender Tuesday.

no-pseudo-fan
04-13-2010, 01:22 PM
I won't believe it till something cums from Josina.

What like half the Broncos players?

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:23 PM
I thought he was out of town?

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:23 PM
the deal is done

Rabb
04-13-2010, 01:23 PM
finally some closure (not on the OM of course, I mean in general) to this

elsid13
04-13-2010, 01:24 PM
I thought he was out of town?

There this modern device called a FAX machine. It is amazing. :approve:

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:24 PM
I thought he was out of town?

fax machine?:~ohyah!:

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 01:25 PM
What like half the Broncos players?

We can rule out Big Ben. Josina would be too willing.

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:25 PM
There this modern device called a FAX machine. It is amazing. :approve:

You think he's smart enough to use one let alone own one

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:26 PM
well Brandon signing the tender the Broncos must not be looking for a first rounder anymore...

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:26 PM
Adam_Schefter (https://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)

Now that Brandon Marshall has signed his tender, Denver is officially allowed to discuss potential deals for its WR with other teams.

WolfpackGuy
04-13-2010, 01:26 PM
So...what can they get for him?

Rabb
04-13-2010, 01:28 PM
well Brandon signing the tender the Broncos must not be looking for a 2010 first rounder anymore...

yeah

BroncoInferno
04-13-2010, 01:28 PM
You'd have to assume this means the club guaranteed Marshall a trade, otherwise he probably doesn't sign the tender. If we are not getting a 1st rounder, it better be something equivalent to one (like a 2nd and a quality starter, for instance).

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:28 PM
Weird. Is it Sunday already?

PRBronco
04-13-2010, 01:29 PM
Ok the real bombshell here is that Brandon Marshall knows how to use a fax machine. Actually maybe he just went to Staples and got them to do it.

*edit* Wait, did the club confirm that it wasn't just a blank piece of paper they received? You have to put it in face down Brandon!

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:29 PM
You'd have to assume this means the club guaranteed Marshall a trade, otherwise he probably doesn't sign the tender. If we are not getting a 1st rounder, it better be something equivalent to one (like a 2nd and a quality starter, for instance).

a second that could be used to get Pouncey would rock

crush17
04-13-2010, 01:29 PM
Peace out, headache.

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:30 PM
So...what can they get for him?

just pray that we can get a bidding war between two teams, and may the best one win.

Rohirrim
04-13-2010, 01:32 PM
just pray that we can get a bidding war between two teams, and may the best one win.

That's what I'm hoping for.

gyldenlove
04-13-2010, 01:32 PM
Bye bye Mr Marshall.

Bronco CB40
04-13-2010, 01:32 PM
It's unfortunate that the great Brandon Marshall isn't going to finish his career in Denver and be a member of the Ring of Fame.

Dagmar
04-13-2010, 01:32 PM
He's gone right, that's what this means?

crush17
04-13-2010, 01:33 PM
done dundee.

Florida_Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:33 PM
Hey Brandon...

http://www.gifflix.com/files/7868c9eaa99d.gif

WolfpackGuy
04-13-2010, 01:33 PM
just pray that we can get a bidding war between two teams, and may the best one win.

I hope so.

There has to be a team other than the Seasquawks lurking.

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:33 PM
He's gone right, that's what this means?

probably..why else sign the sheet unless they have something in the works..

no-pseudo-fan
04-13-2010, 01:34 PM
A 2nd this year and a 1st next would be great, maybe even a 5th to sweeten the pot.

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:34 PM
He's gone right, that's what this means?

Essentially.

There's really no reason they would've rushed along his signing of this otherwise.

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:35 PM
He's gone right, that's what this means?

No it means he is signed for this year or it "could" mean he's gone

Who the hell knows

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:35 PM
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ZONA
04-13-2010, 01:35 PM
I loathe the day Marshall is catching 100+ balls every friggin year for somebody else, and maybe setting some new NFL records.

And I don't want to hear any of this crap about personalities. Billy boy tamed a head case WR (Moss) in NE so why the F can't Josh tame BM in Denver. Frick this sucks. Marshall is a rare type of WR in this league. With his size and strength combined with his speed, that doesn't come along often at all. He's basically like a TE who can run like a wideout. I hope he stays.

bfoflcommish
04-13-2010, 01:35 PM
new thing called a fax machine??? wow living in past. ahaha kidding fellas, but seriously who still uses faxes? scan and send through copier much better quality and so much easier and faster.

or better yet just like my realtor had me do this weekend putting a contract on a house you can sign with your mouse through the actual pdf file and it saves that way.

pdaddy
04-13-2010, 01:35 PM
well Brandon signing the tender the Broncos must not be looking for a first rounder anymore...

Could be, but not necessarily. Remember, to do a deal for Seattle's #14 pick, would have to go this route. Same for 49ers other first round pick. Also, Tampa Bay 2 2nd rounders would require going this route. Lower picks plus player(s) too. Hard to tell what's going on here.

Old Dude
04-13-2010, 01:36 PM
He's gone right, that's what this means?

Probably, but it's always possible that he simply signed it so that Denver could engage in serious trade talks. If those talks fall through, then they can always modify the agreement later (and of course, Marshall could throw another fit over it.)

But the best answer is still "probably."

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 01:36 PM
Excellent. Can't wait to watch a crowd full of douchebags wearing their Gaffney jerseys.

orange&blue87
04-13-2010, 01:36 PM
A 2nd this year and a 1st next would be great, maybe even a 5th to sweeten the pot.

I'd figure anything in the future would be conditional.

vanbrugh
04-13-2010, 01:36 PM
The auction has begun!

OBF1
04-13-2010, 01:37 PM
You'd have to assume this means the club guaranteed Marshall a trade, otherwise he probably doesn't sign the tender. If we are not getting a 1st rounder, it better be something equivalent to one (like a 2nd and a quality starter, for instance).

I normally agree with what you say, but why would anyone have to assume anything??? Pure speculation on anyone's part thinking they know a damn thing.

Maybe Brandon thinks 2.5mil is a good contract and wants to prove to the Bronco front office he is truely a changed man and a team player..... leaving more money to sign DOOM.

broncocalijohn
04-13-2010, 01:38 PM
I won't believe it till somebody cums in Josina.

fixed it for ya.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 01:38 PM
This Thursday is the dead line to sign a tender so we have to believe that something has to be in the work for him.

Rohirrim
04-13-2010, 01:39 PM
If I had to guess, I would go with some team already laid out the deal with Marshall and the Broncos and this is just activation of the preliminary step. More to come, no doubt. And probably shortly.

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:39 PM
Excellent. Can't wait to watch a crowd full of douchebags wearing their Gaffney jerseys.

One could do worse. Model citizen on and off the field, always does what's asked of him without causing problems and he was easily the best Broncos player on either side of the ball over the last two weeks of the season. Not surprising that many overlook his accomplishments in favor of the more "me first" individuals.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-13-2010, 01:40 PM
probably..why else sign the sheet unless they have something in the works..

Gives them the ability to react fluidly on draft day and not need to wait for BM to sign the tender if a deal comes together quickly.

DeuceOfClub
04-13-2010, 01:40 PM
BM for Ted Ginn Jr. + Conditional 2007 3rd rounder.

DomCasual
04-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Ok the real bombshell here is that Brandon Marshall knows how to use a fax machine. Actually maybe he just went to Staples and got them to do it.

*edit* Wait, did the club confirm that it wasn't just a blank piece of paper they received? You have to put it in face down Brandon!

I think it's more likely Drew Rosenhaus that knows how to use the fax machine.

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:40 PM
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Broncos closer to trading Brandon Marshall

By Mike Klis (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/author/mike-klis/)

Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall signed his one-year, $2.512 million tender Tuesday, a formality necessary for a trade to proceed.
By signing the tender, Marshall is no longer a restricted free agent. He is now under contract with the Broncos. Now that Marshall is again officially their property, the Broncos can trade him. By signing the tender, Marshall may have assurances that a deal is in the works.

broncocalijohn
04-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Excellent. Can't wait to watch a crowd full of douchebags wearing their Gaffney jerseys.

better than those still wearing a Marshall jersey at the game. Probably same people that wore a Cutler jersey in protest.

BroncosSR
04-13-2010, 01:40 PM
This sucks...

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:41 PM
One could do worse. Model citizen on and off the field, always does what's asked of him without causing problems and he was easily the best Broncos player on either side of the ball over the last two weeks of the season. Not surprising that many overlook his accomplishments in favor of the more "me first" individuals.

I personally don't think Gaffney can hold BM's jock but I guess we'll see how good he is

WolfpackGuy
04-13-2010, 01:41 PM
If I had to guess, I would go with some team already laid out the deal with Marshall and the Broncos and this is just activation of the preliminary step. More to come, no doubt. And probably shortly.

I have that feeling too.

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:41 PM
BM for Ted Ginn Jr. + Conditional 2007 3rd rounder.

I've never seen a conditional trade from a draft held 3 years ago. Now that's creative. LOL

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 01:41 PM
BM for Ted Ginn Jr. + Conditional 2007 3rd rounder.

Awesome we go from someone that can catch 100 plus balls to a guy that can drop 100 plus balls.

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:41 PM
BM for Ted Ginn Jr. + Conditional 2007 3rd rounder.

Oh HELL NO

BroncoInferno
04-13-2010, 01:42 PM
I normally agree with what you say, but why would anyone have to assume anything??? Pure speculation on anyone's part thinking they know a damn thing.

Maybe Brandon thinks 2.5mil is a good contract and wants to prove to the Bronco front office he is truely a changed man and a team player..... leaving more money to sign DOOM.

C'mon now. You don't seriously believe your last paragraph is even remotely possible, do you?

I am looking at this from Brandon's perspective, though...why would he sign the tender at this point unless he was promised something in return? There are only two realistic possibilities: either he was promised a trade or he signed in good faith with the promise that an extension would be negotiated. The former seems more likely to me.

PRBronco
04-13-2010, 01:43 PM
Maybe Marshall just realized that he's a professional football player who plays for the Denver Broncos and he has to work to get paid like the rest of world and decided to show up?

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Hilarious! :rofl:

Bronco CB40
04-13-2010, 01:43 PM
I loathe the day Marshall is catching 100+ balls every friggin year for somebody else, and maybe setting some new NFL records.

And I don't want to hear any of this crap about personalities. Billy boy tamed a head case WR (Moss) in NE so why the F can't Josh tame BM in Denver. Frick this sucks. Marshall is a rare type of WR in this league. With his size and strength combined with his speed, that doesn't come along often at all. He's basically like a TE who can run like a wideout. I hope he stays.

When you combine sheer talent and performance, Marshall is right there with Floyd Little and Shannon Sharpe as the most unique skill position player in team history.

The Broncos offense is becoming boring. Unless Eddie Royal makes a triumphant return to his 2008 status, this offense is short of gamebreakers and playmakers.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 01:43 PM
I've never seen a conditional trade from a draft held 3 years ago. Now that's creative. LOL

I think that gives us Lorenzo Booker.

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:44 PM
I personally don't think Gaffney can hold BM's jock but I guess we'll see how good he is

I'm probably the biggest Gaffney fan here and I'm not making that argument. Just saying he is capable of starting and performing well for us if given the chance.....especially if Royal gets healthy and more involved in the offense and can take some of the pressure off.

Bronco CB40
04-13-2010, 01:44 PM
Excellent. Can't wait to watch a crowd full of douchebags wearing their Gaffney jerseys.

LOL

He's a "character" guy.

SouthStndJunkie
04-13-2010, 01:45 PM
This blows fat hairy donkey balls.

We will not get equal value in return.

If we get a second round pick and some ball cheese for a player who had had 3 straight 100+ catch seasons, I will be disappointed.

B-Marsh will go on to make a half dozen pro bowls for another team and we will welcome in Richard Quinn II or Alphonso Smith Jr. in return.

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:45 PM
:kiddingme:flush:BM for Ted Ginn Jr. + Conditional 2007 3rd rounder.

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-13-2010, 01:46 PM
For anyone saying this sucks, is this news to you? It's not like this hasn't been in the picture for well over a year now.

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:47 PM
This blows fat hairy donkey balls.

We will not get equal value in return.

If we get a second round pick and some ball cheese for a player who had had 3 straight 100+ catch seasons, I will be disappointed.

B-Marsh will go on to make a half dozen pro bowls for another team and we will welcome in Richard Quinn II or Alphonso Smith Jr. in return.

I hope not but i'm not very optimistic

Rohirrim
04-13-2010, 01:48 PM
I was very excited to get Brandon in here. I remember his performance at the Senior Bowl with the Golden Knights and was very happy when the Broncos picked him (only pick I got right on my mock that year). Frankly, I would rather he stay. If there is no way that can happen, I sure hope McD and Xanders don't screw the pooch on this one the way they did the Fonz debacle.

no-pseudo-fan
04-13-2010, 01:48 PM
I'd figure anything in the future would be conditional.

If Marshall passes the physical?

No conditions. You don't want to trade this year's first, we will take this years 2nd and next years first.

WolfpackGuy
04-13-2010, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the biggest Gaffney fan here and I'm not making that argument. Just saying he is capable of starting and performing well for us if given the chance.....especially if Royal gets healthy and more involved in the offense and can take some of the pressure off.

I like Gaffney as a secondary/spot duty player.

I just don't see him carrying the starter's load for a whole season.

Rabb
04-13-2010, 01:49 PM
it's awesome to watch chicken little and friends come out of the woodwork

just awesome

crush17
04-13-2010, 01:49 PM
Excellent. Can't wait to watch a crowd full of douchebags wearing their Gaffney jerseys.

at least those "douchebags" will still be rooting for their team, and not rooting for their team to fail.

Florida_Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:51 PM
I'm probably the biggest Gaffney fan here and I'm not making that argument. Just saying he is capable of starting and performing well for us if given the chance.....especially if Royal gets healthy and more involved in the offense and can take some of the pressure off.

See the thing is, with McD's offense the Y receiver (what Gaffney/Marshall play) should be the 3rd option. The X (Moss) and Z (Welker) spots should be the primary focus, so if all goes the way it should even though Gaffney would be replacing Marshall on the depth chart he would fall back to being the 3rd target rather than the first.

ColoradoDarin
04-13-2010, 01:51 PM
I hope Brandon stays and grows up fully, but if he's gone, he's gone - it's not like I'll miss all those playoff appearances he got us to...

Popps
04-13-2010, 01:51 PM
It's unfortunate that the great Brandon Marshall isn't going to finish his career in Denver and be a member of the Ring of Fame.

Hilarious!

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 01:53 PM
For anyone saying this sucks, is this news to you? It's not like this hasn't been in the picture for well over a year now.

Not news, but I held out hope that they would come to their senses and not trade a top player. And mostly, I think it sucks because unless they at least get another quality established player they won't have a better or more entertaining team to watch or spend money on next season. Sorry I just don't buy this team first concept when they field marginal talent. Just my opinion.

SouthStndJunkie
04-13-2010, 01:53 PM
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Garcia Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:53 PM
I hope Brandon stays and grows up fully, but if he's gone, he's gone - it's not like I'll miss all those playoff appearances he got us to...

This right here.

Lolad
04-13-2010, 01:54 PM
I'm probably the biggest Gaffney fan here and I'm not making that argument. Just saying he is capable of starting and performing well for us if given the chance.....especially if Royal gets healthy and more involved in the offense and can take some of the pressure off.

This is the stuff I don't understand, Marshall draws coverage, he's bracketed, has a safety over top, has another CB trailing him. He takes the pressure off of the rest of our guys.

What will Gaffney do? Those comparing us to the Patriots "team 1st offense, thats absent of playmakers" There is no comparison! Claiming they don't have playmakers is a damn joke. Who the hell is Moss, and Welker? Some school yard kids?

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 01:54 PM
at least those "douchebags" will still be rooting for their team, and not rooting for their team to fail.

Good one, Skippy.

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:54 PM
I like Gaffney as a secondary/spot duty player.

I just don't see him carrying the starter's load for a whole season.

That's certainly fair and I know that's the way most feel right now. After all, that's precisely what he's been asked to do to this point.

I just like what I've seen out of him when his number is called and I'd just love to see him get the chance to do more this season.

Mostly, I just don't want them drafting a WR early.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 01:55 PM
it's awesome to watch chicken little and friends come out of the woodwork

just awesome

At some point the term "Hope for the best. Expect the worst." gets lost on posters here.

No matter what we end up getting for Marshall whether it is a first, second or a combo of picks it's still going to be a tall order to match the production we got from Marshall on the field.

oubronco
04-13-2010, 01:55 PM
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Awesome

Lolad
04-13-2010, 01:56 PM
I hope Brandon stays and grows up fully, but if he's gone, he's gone - it's not like I'll miss all those playoff appearances he got us to...

Now WR's are expected to take us to the promise land Hilarious! this is sad

Smiling Assassin27
04-13-2010, 01:56 PM
Ok the real bombshell here is that Brandon Marshall knows how to use a fax machine. Actually maybe he just went to Staples and got them to do it.

*edit* Wait, did the club confirm that it wasn't just a blank piece of paper they received? You have to put it in face down Brandon!


McD's parting 'breakup letter' to Marshall via fax:

7 pages...first page has nothing but a big 'F'...

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 01:58 PM
This is the stuff I don't understand, Marshall draws coverage, he's bracketed, has a safety over top, has another CB trailing him. He takes the pressure off of the rest of our guys.

What will Gaffney do? Those comparing us to the Patriots "team 1st offense, thats absent of playmakers" There is no comparison! Claiming they don't have playmakers is a damn joke. Who the hell is Moss, and Welker? Some school yard kids?

What will Gaffney do? Did you watch him against Philly and KC? He didn't have anyone drawing coverage away from him and he was still producing at a ridiculous level. And before anyone tries to bag on KCs defense, go look at their 2009 passing defense rankings. They were not even close to the bottom feeders.

eddie mac
04-13-2010, 01:58 PM
Branch, Hawthorne, 60 and a conditional 2011 2nd/3rd rounder. Anything less and the Seahawks can seriously **** off.

WolfpackGuy
04-13-2010, 01:58 PM
Mostly, I just don't want them drafting a WR early.


God help the Mane if that or Tebow happens.

bfoflcommish
04-13-2010, 01:58 PM
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they all have 1 thihng in common too...non playoff years

DenverBrit
04-13-2010, 01:59 PM
That's certainly fair and I know that's the way most feel right now. After all, that's precisely what he's been asked to do to this point.

I just like what I've seen out of him when his number is called and I'd just love to see him get the chance to do more this season.

Mostly, I just don't want them drafting a WR early.

Maybe we'll get one in the trade?

Rabb
04-13-2010, 01:59 PM
At some point the term "Hope for the best. Expect the worst." gets lost on posters here.

No matter what we end up getting for Marshall whether it is a first, second or a combo of picks it's still going to be a tall order to match the production we got from Marshall on the field.

100% agree with you

I am just saying, people are just overreacting a little...players (even great ones) come and go and the teams find ways to move on

I totally would rather have had him stay but he didn't want to, so all I can hope for is a solid replacement

some great Brandon on the field memories, that is for sure

Broncoman13
04-13-2010, 02:00 PM
This pretty much guarantees we won't get a first. And don't be surprised to see BMarsh stay in the AFC West.
McD was Fooked either way with BMarsh.

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 02:00 PM
And Lolad:

People claiming the Pats didn't have playmakers were most likely talking about their SB winning years.....not recent Moss/Welker years that have resulted in exactly zero lombardies.

kamakazi_kal
04-13-2010, 02:00 PM
Man our passing attack is gonna suck. I hope Moreno gets a whole lot better.

Popps
04-13-2010, 02:01 PM
Man our passing attack is gonna suck. I hope Moreno gets a whole lot better.

http://www.225.ca/ivan/nov03/crybaby.jpg

Triplelefthook
04-13-2010, 02:03 PM
See the thing is, with McD's offense the Y receiver (what Gaffney/Marshall play) should be the 3rd option. The X (Moss) and Z (Welker) spots should be the primary focus, so if all goes the way it should even though Gaffney would be replacing Marshall on the depth chart he would fall back to being the 3rd target rather than the first.

True. But who are we going to bring in as our X receiver? We need someone who is #1 or #2 quality who is also a deep threat. Then we need to make sure the QB can get them the ball and keep the D honest (might be Orton, might not).

ColoradoDarin
04-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Now WR's are expected to take us to the promise land Hilarious! this is sad

No, what I'm saying is that his 3 100 catch seasons didn't factor into us either making or missing the playoffs. This isn't fantasy football.

SouthStndJunkie
04-13-2010, 02:03 PM
they all have 1 thihng in common too...non playoff years

That's not their fault....with 100+ catch seasons, they were (as Josh would say) doing their job.

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 02:05 PM
True. But who are we going to bring in as our X receiver? We need someone who is #1 or #2 quality who is also a deep threat. Then we need to make sure the QB can get them the ball and keep the D honest (might be Orton, might not).

Mckinley, dude, Mckinley.

Dagmar
04-13-2010, 02:07 PM
http://www.225.ca/ivan/nov03/crybaby.jpg

I like this one.

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kamakazi_kal
04-13-2010, 02:07 PM
What will Gaffney do? Did you watch him against Philly and KC? He didn't have anyone drawing coverage away from him and he was still producing at a ridiculous level. And before anyone tries to bag on KCs defense, go look at their 2009 passing defense rankings. They were not even close to the bottom feeders.

Let's see Marshall for the last 3 years or Gaffneys game vs. KC.


cmon.

I know people want to hate the guy but those numbers are going to be tough to replace between gaff and royal. I'm don't think Royal will be able to hold up for an entire year at doing Welkers role.That's if .... he shows up this year.

Hate on Marsh all you want but dude is a gamer and a beast on the field.

Momentum
04-13-2010, 02:08 PM
Let's go!

cmhargrove
04-13-2010, 02:08 PM
Man our passing attack is gonna suck. I hope Moreno gets a whole lot better.

I would only hope that we can parlay players & picks to get a dominant run game again.

I love Marshall, and I love a great passing attack, but my favorite teams in NFL history have been able to impose their will with the run game.

Lolad
04-13-2010, 02:08 PM
What will Gaffney do? Did you watch him against Philly and KC? He didn't have anyone drawing coverage away from him and he was still producing at a ridiculous level. And before anyone tries to bag on KCs defense, go look at their 2009 passing defense rankings. They were not even close to the bottom feeders.

So he had both teams best CB's covering him? The guy had 2 TD's for the entire year and he's going to be our #1 and you feel confident? Seriously... 17 total TD's his ENTIRE 9 year career.

If I'm not mistaken Marshall played in the Eagles game, so he got coverage drawn away from him

baja
04-13-2010, 02:08 PM
Excellent. Can't wait to watch a crowd full of douchebags wearing their Gaffney jerseys.


Gotta say that's funny

RonDaChamp24
04-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Josina Anderson is reporting Broncos meeting w Dez Bryant Wednesday & Thursday. I think if/when Marshall goes, Dez becomes our target in the 1st round.

Triplelefthook
04-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Mckinley, dude, Mckinley.

it's meant to be a serious question

baja
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
I normally agree with what you say, but why would anyone have to assume anything??? Pure speculation on anyone's part thinking they know a damn thing.

<b>Maybe Brandon thinks 2.5mil is a good contract and wants to prove to the Bronco front office he is truely a changed man and a team player..... leaving more money to sign DOOM.

You should go back to the rep thread. ;D

kamakazi_kal
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
I would only hope that we can parlay players & picks to get a dominant run game again.

I love Marshall, and I love a great passing attack, but my favorite teams in NFL history have been able to impose their will with the run game.

I agree with you their I'll be bent if we use our first on a WR.

bfoflcommish
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
That's not their fault....with 100+ catch seasons, they were (as Josh would say) doing their job.

I agree, but it raises the point, do you "need" a stud wr when thier better seasons dont lead to playoffs much less super bowl

Momentum
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
This blows fat hairy donkey balls.

We will not get equal value in return.

If we get a second round pick and some ball cheese for a player who had had 3 straight 100+ catch seasons, I will be disappointed.

B-Marsh will go on to make a half dozen pro bowls for another team and we will welcome in Richard Quinn II or Alphonso Smith Jr. in return.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp172/shineeismydrug/Minho/hb517.gif

Beantown Bronco
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Let's see Marshall for the last 3 years or Gaffneys game vs. KC.


cmon.

I know people want to hate the guy but those numbers are going to be tough to replace between gaff and royal. I'm don't think Royal will be able to hold up for an entire year at doing Welkers role.That's if .... he shows up this year.

Hate on Marsh all you want but dude is a gamer and a beast on the field.

I've purposely left BMarsh's name out of this. Why can't I simply give props to Gaffney without somehow being labelled a BMarsh hater? Odd considering I never even brought him up.

But, that's the way things work here.
You like Moreno? Why do you hate CBuck?
You like Shanny? Why do you hate McD?

bowtown
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Josina Anderson is reporting Broncos meeting w Dez Bryant Wednesday & Thursday. I think if/when Marshall goes, Dez becomes our target in the 1st round.

Well he def become Josina's target.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Josina Anderson is reporting Broncos meeting w Dez Bryant Wednesday & Thursday. I think if/when Marshall goes, Dez becomes our target in the 1st round.

I think he is too. He fits the system a tad better then Marshall did anyways.

bowtown
04-13-2010, 02:12 PM
I think he is too. He fits the system a tad better then Marshall did anyways.

That's what Josina said... except she put "system" in quotes.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 02:13 PM
I agree, but it raises the point, do you "need" a stud wr when thier better seasons dont lead to playoffs much less super bowl

While that is true do you think the Cards make that run they did in the playoffs without Fitz?

elsid13
04-13-2010, 02:14 PM
it's meant to be a serious question

There isn't anyone currently on this team to fulfill that role. Ideally Denver would be able to get two receivers in the draft to fulfill required roles in this system, if Marshall is traded.

no-pseudo-fan
04-13-2010, 02:15 PM
That's what Josina said... except she put "system" in quotes.

Like she will be "interviewing" Dez while he is here?

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 02:16 PM
That's what Josina said... except she put "system" in quotes.

Is "system" code for her va va jay then Bryant must be all that is man, because Josina has to be Grand Cannon size by now.

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 02:16 PM
it's meant to be a serious question

Sorry. But thats what they are looking at. Dez Bryant? How often do wr's come in and contribute. Its few and far between. Torry Holt? Terrell Owens? Probably somewhere along those lines.

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 02:17 PM
I think he is too. He fits the system a tad better then Marshall did anyways.

Probably just a smokescreen

bowtown
04-13-2010, 02:17 PM
Like she will be "interviewing" Dez while he is here?

You mean "ntrvwng"

Doggcow
04-13-2010, 02:17 PM
Man our passing attack is gonna suck. I hope oline gets a whole lot stronger, younger, bigger.

there you go

kamakazi_kal
04-13-2010, 02:17 PM
I've purposely left BMarsh's name out of this. Why can't I simply give props to Gaffney without somehow being labelled a BMarsh hater? Odd considering I never even brought him up.

But, that's the way things work here.
You like Moreno? Why do you hate CBuck?
You like Shanny? Why do you hate McD?

I'm not tryin to bash you. Since this is a Marshall thread I thought you were saying Gaff is an good enough replacement based on that one game.

I like Gaffney but simply as a #2 or #3. That's what he's been his entire career. I don't think he can be a teams #1 WR and be consistant.

Triplelefthook
04-13-2010, 02:19 PM
There isn't anyone currently on this team to fulfill that role. Ideally Denver would be able to get two receivers in the draft to fulfill required roles in this system, if Marshall is traded.

right and my quesetion originally was who are we going to bring in as our X receiver?

Do you see any WR's in the draft being able to fill that role, besides Dez Bryant? Arellius Benn doesn't really work does he? He's more of a possession receiver. What about Tate? Or Gilyard? anyone else? Or can McKinley fill that role eventually?

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 02:20 PM
Probably just a smokescreen

If Shanahan was still the coach then I would agree with you but McD and the FO goes with a shorter list and drafted more of the players they worked out then our past FO. They say he has top ten ability and we are at 11. I don't think you can say that about any of the other players we worked out.

elsid13
04-13-2010, 02:21 PM
I think he is too. He fits the system a tad better then Marshall did anyways.

I don't think Bryant is good fit for this offense. I see Bryant more of WCO player that will excel at the Slants and hitches. I would rate WR that could fit this systems as

1. Demaryius Thomas - Big body that can go deep in Moss role
2. Jacoby Ford - plays the Y role similar Deon Branch
3. Gilyard - also can play the Y role.

Florida_Bronco
04-13-2010, 02:22 PM
True. But who are we going to bring in as our X receiver? We need someone who is #1 or #2 quality who is also a deep threat. We'll probably address that in the draft or in the trade.

he's going to be our #1 and you feel confident? Seriously... He won't be our #1. He'll be our #3.

Doggcow
04-13-2010, 02:22 PM
Is "system" code for her va va jay then Bryant must be all that is man, because Josina has to be Grand Cannon size by now.

What? Wouldn't Dez be the Grand Cannon in this scenario?

http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages/HugeCannonKremlin.jpg

Triplelefthook
04-13-2010, 02:22 PM
Sorry. But thats what they are looking at. Dez Bryant? How often do wr's come in and contribute. Its few and far between. Torry Holt? Terrell Owens? Probably somewhere along those lines.

there you go that's at least an answer that isnt a total waste of space and time.

I am not sure what other options there are in FA, or in potential trades for other WRs who are deep threats who can fill that X-role. Or in the draft, sans Bryant? Tate or Gilyard?

I think its worth discussing the realistic options rather than spending pages upon pages bitching about Marshall leaving

bronclvr
04-13-2010, 02:22 PM
It appears that the Team's Vet's didn't like what Marshall was doing last Year, so they voiced their opinions to Josh. I think it was absolutely the right thing to do. I love to watch BM on the field, but he simply causes too many distractions. He has to held accountable or it sends the wrong message-look at the Steeler's, they shipped out Santonio Holmes for doing less.

Having character people on the field is important, but if we take Dez Bryant we are trading one character problem for another.

It is a damn shame that Marshall is an idiot, and that we as Fans have to pay for that lack of responsibility. I will really, really miss him though-

bowtown
04-13-2010, 02:22 PM
Can't we all just be happy that Brandon Marshall is currently a Bronco once again?

Lolad
04-13-2010, 02:24 PM
We'll probably address that in the draft or in the trade.

He won't be our #1. He'll be our #3.

So we are drafting a rookie WR to be our #1? Hilarious!

Triplelefthook
04-13-2010, 02:25 PM
It appears that the Team's Vet's didn't like what Marshall was doing last Year, so they voiced their opinions to Josh. I think it was absolutely the right thing to do. I love to watch BM on the field, but he simply causes too many distractions. He has to held accountable or it sends the wrong message-look at the Steeler's, they shipped out Santonio Holmes for doing less.

Having character people on the field is important, but if we take Dez Bryant we are trading one character problem for another.

It is a damn shame that Marshall is an idiot, and that we as Fans have to pay for that lack of responsibility. I will really, really miss him though-


I like this post. Especially the last part.

Florida_Bronco
04-13-2010, 02:27 PM
So we are drafting a rookie WR to be our #1? Hilarious!

What's funny about that?

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 02:27 PM
What? Wouldn't Dez be the Grand Cannon in this scenario?

http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages/HugeCannonKremlin.jpg

lol yeah Ha!

Rohirrim
04-13-2010, 02:27 PM
Whoever our first round pick is, I hope he weighs at least 300 pounds. ;D

bowtown
04-13-2010, 02:29 PM
Whoever our first round pick is, I hope he weighs at least 300 pounds. ;D

That's pretty big for a WR.

elsid13
04-13-2010, 02:30 PM
Whoever our first round pick is, I hope he weighs at least 300 pounds. ;D

Great we have Jamarcus Russell playing for us..

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 02:30 PM
there you go that's at least an answer that isnt a total waste of space and time.

I am not sure what other options there are in FA, or in potential trades for other WRs who are deep threats who can fill that X-role. Or in the draft, sans Bryant? Tate or Gilyard?

I think its worth discussing the realistic options rather than spending pages upon pages b****ing about Marshall leaving

I guess. But I was being both sarcastic and serious about Mckinley. I expect the group to be Stokley( Is he still around?) Royal and Mckinnley. I suppose its similiar to the Troy Brown and Deion Branch version of the Patriots but thats a reach.

kamakazi_kal
04-13-2010, 02:30 PM
Is Dez Bryant like an uber "team player" type? I don't know much about him.

Stand up guy?

Bronco CB40
04-13-2010, 02:30 PM
I don't think Bryant is good fit for this offense. I see Bryant more of WCO player that will excel at the Slants and hitches. I would rate WR that could fit this systems as

1. Demaryius Thomas - Big body that can go deep in Moss role
2. Jacoby Ford - plays the Y role similar Deon Branch
3. Gilyard - also can play the Y role.

I like all three of these guys, but not sure any of them except Gilyard will be productive right off the bat. I like the jets Ford brings to the table, but he's a project. Thomas was in an archaic passing attack at GT.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 02:31 PM
I don't think Bryant is good fit for this offense. I see Bryant more of WCO player that will excel at the Slants and hitches. I would rate WR that could fit this systems as

1. Demaryius Thomas - Big body that can go deep in Moss role
2. Jacoby Ford - plays the Y role similar Deon Branch
3. Gilyard - also can play the Y role.

I don't agree about Bryant. His 08 stats prove he can stretch the field. I agree that the other players could play that role as well I just think Bryant is better then them. I really like Gilyard though. Thomas is a question mark. I don't think he ran real routes in college at all.

PRBronco
04-13-2010, 02:31 PM
What happened: Marshall signed his tender.

What the Mane currently thinks happened: McD traded Marshall for peanuts. Used said peanuts to draft a player who is already a bust. Marshall played at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade and won several Super Bowls. McD guaranteed he could plug Gaffney in and replace Marshall without a hitch.

elsid13
04-13-2010, 02:32 PM
Is Dez Bryant like an uber "team player" type? I don't know much about him.

Stand up guy?

more like sleep in kinda of guy

Triplelefthook
04-13-2010, 02:32 PM
I guess. But I was being both sarcastic and serious about Mckinley. I expect the group to be Stokley( Is he still around?) Royal and Mckinnley. I suppose its similiar to the Troy Brown and Deion Branch version of the Patriots but thats a reach.

fair enough.

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 02:32 PM
Is Dez Bryant like an uber "team player" type? I don't know much about him.

Stand up guy?

No. At least the media makes him out to be a typical Wr jerkoff.

bowtown
04-13-2010, 02:33 PM
What happened: Marshall signed his tender.

What the Mane currently thinks happened: McD traded Marshall for peanuts. Used said peanuts to draft a player who is already a bust. Marshall played at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade and won several Super Bowls. McD guaranteed he could plug Gaffney in and replace Marshall without a hitch.

:spit:

elsid13
04-13-2010, 02:35 PM
I don't agree about Bryant. His 08 stats prove he can stretch the field. I agree that the other players could play that role as well I just think Bryant is better then them. I really like Gilyard though. Thomas is a question mark. I don't think he ran real routes in college at all.

That an internet myth. His route tree was not very complex compared to pro-style offense WR, but that can learned. What he bring to the table is the ability to beat press coverage, block down field, break tackles, jumping ability, good hands and very good speed. He needs to work on his routes, but like most rookie WR, he will need to transition into a pro player. There is ver good potential there.

Triplelefthook
04-13-2010, 02:36 PM
What's funny about that?

Well it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in terms of an immediate impact player does it? You can see why people would be hesitant at this idea.

It had better be contingent on Royal having a down year last season purely based off system issues and can bounce back this year (which is realistic). Stokely will have to remain effective. Can Gaffney be effective in anything more than spot duty? Can McKinley be a factor? Can we draft an immediate impact WR, because that doesn't always happen.

its a legitimate concern

Hamrob
04-13-2010, 02:36 PM
I bet he goes to the Skins for a 2nd and a player!

SonOfLe-loLang
04-13-2010, 02:37 PM
Whoever our first round pick is, I hope he weighs at least 300 pounds. ;D

I concur

elsid13
04-13-2010, 02:37 PM
I bet he goes to the Skins for a 2nd and a player!

Since the Skins don't have a 2nd that going to be hard.

Lolad
04-13-2010, 02:38 PM
What's funny about that?

Do you know how many WR's that are bust? What player is proven that can come in and perform day 1 since you have this magical crystal ball or am I missing something?

HAT
04-13-2010, 02:39 PM
I bet he goes to the Skins for a 2nd and a player!

???

PRBronco
04-13-2010, 02:40 PM
That an internet myth. His route tree was not very complex compared to pro-style offense WR, but that can learned. What he bring to the table is the ability to beat press coverage, block down field, break tackles, jumping ability, good hands and very good speed. He needs to work on his routes, but like most rookie WR, he will need to transition into a pro player. There is ver good potential there.

He's also a good punt returner.

boppool
04-13-2010, 02:40 PM
Damn... We should've traded for Boldin when we had a chance. We won't find his calibur in draft, even in first round imo..

bronclvr
04-13-2010, 02:41 PM
Dez-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G6M1hOHIkE

BroncoSojia
04-13-2010, 02:41 PM
I bet he goes to the Skins for a 2nd and a player!

The Redskins don't have a second.

i4jelway7
04-13-2010, 02:41 PM
Denvers offense in '09 was putrid, imagine 2010 with no Brandon Marshall... who is going to take the bubble screen to the house? no 1 on denvers roster

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 02:44 PM
That an internet myth. His route tree was not very complex compared to pro-style offense WR, but that can learned. What he bring to the table is the ability to beat press coverage, block down field, break tackles, jumping ability, good hands and very good speed. He needs to work on his routes, but like most rookie WR, he will need to transition into a pro player. There is ver good potential there.

So he ran NFL routes in college?

SouthStndJunkie
04-13-2010, 02:44 PM
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp172/shineeismydrug/Minho/hb517.gif

It's just my opinion....at least I have a take, Mr. 29 posts.

Let's hear yours.

Florida_Bronco
04-13-2010, 02:48 PM
Do you know how many WR's that are bust? What player is proven that can come in and perform day 1 since you have this magical crystal ball or am I missing something?

Players bust all the time. What's your point?

i4jelway7
04-13-2010, 02:49 PM
Damn... We should've traded for Boldin when we had a chance. We won't find his calibur in draft, even in first round imo..

agreed..

moving bmarsh for anything other than a 1st round pick is STUPID

elsid13
04-13-2010, 02:58 PM
So he ran NFL routes in college?

Not a lot of receivers in college run pro style routes - deep outs and digs. The current GT focused most of their passing attack on gos, posts, smokes (WR get ball on hash if CB is playing off) and slants. But Thomas also spent two years with Chan Gailey and his pro style attack. He needs to be developed but I like him far better the Bryant, long term.

mkporter
04-13-2010, 03:01 PM
I would probably prefer that Marshall remained a Bronco, because I love watching him play, but I think he's probably a little overrated. 100 catches is impressive, but if you are gaining 8 yards on 3rd and 10, or dropping a lot of passes, for instance, the catch number isn't as meaningful. Football Outsiders typically rates him as an average player:

2007: Ranked 30th in total value, 54th in average per play: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2007

2008: Ranked 32nd in total value, 58th in average per play:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2008

2009: Ranked 24th in total value, 38th in average per play:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

I think their statistical system undervalues Marshall, but it makes for an interesting counterpoint to the "Top 5" receiver argument. Flame away.

Doggcow
04-13-2010, 03:08 PM
What happened: Marshall signed his tender.

What the Mane currently thinks happened: McD traded Marshall for peanuts. Used said peanuts to draft a player who is already a bust. Marshall played at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade and won several Super Bowls. McD guaranteed he could plug Gaffney in and replace Marshall without a hitch.

LOL, pretty much.

UberBroncoMan
04-13-2010, 03:28 PM
Despite his off-field ****. Marshall is a ****ing top 5 AFC WR. This pisses me off how we might be giving him away. It's bull****.

Lolad
04-13-2010, 03:32 PM
Players bust all the time. What's your point?

My point is we're about to give up proven talent for a potential bust. Even if he comes in an performs will it he have comparable production to what Marshall is giving us? Or even better?

If we trade BM for a 2nd and pick up a WR in the 1st. Thats just speaks of idiocy. And i think our FO has the moxy to do it.

2KBack
04-13-2010, 03:32 PM
Damn... We should've traded for Boldin when we had a chance. We won't find his calibur in draft, even in first round imo..

Maybe in the second round then...where Boldin was drafted. Or perhaps the 4th round...where Marshall was drafted.

There are always guys out there that will come in and compete. I just hope we get one. Preferably one without an arrest record.

KevinJames
04-13-2010, 03:33 PM
Tedd Ginn Jr and a 2nd + 4th for Brandon Marshall

would you guys be okay with that I guess I could live with it.

Durango
04-13-2010, 03:36 PM
I loathe the day Marshall is catching 100+ balls every friggin year for somebody else, and maybe setting some new NFL records.

And I don't want to hear any of this crap about personalities. Billy boy tamed a head case WR (Moss) in NE so why the F can't Josh tame BM in Denver. Frick this sucks. Marshall is a rare type of WR in this league. With his size and strength combined with his speed, that doesn't come along often at all. He's basically like a TE who can run like a wideout. I hope he stays.

Completely agree. He's an extraordinary weapon the weekly opponents HAVE to gameplan for. Pat Bowlen even gushed praises on Marshall last season promising a big, new contract. Guess that was all smoke up the rectum, huh?

Lolad
04-13-2010, 03:42 PM
Tedd Ginn Jr and a 2nd + 4th for Brandon Marshall

would you guys be okay with that I guess I could live with it.

Whats the infatuation with Ginn around here? I don't understand it. That is a dumb trade

RonDaChamp24
04-13-2010, 03:43 PM
What happened: Marshall signed his tender.

What the Mane currently thinks happened: McD traded Marshall for peanuts. Used said peanuts to draft a player who is already a bust. Marshall played at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade and won several Super Bowls. McD guaranteed he could plug Gaffney in and replace Marshall without a hitch.

Lol, I've got to admit I overreacted at first. Reading this post helped me realize. We have no idea what kind of compensation we'll be getting for Marshall or if he's even leaving (although it seems more likely now).

bronclvr
04-13-2010, 03:43 PM
My point is we're about to give up proven talent for a potential bust. Even if he comes in an performs will it he have comparable production to what Marshall is giving us? Or even better?

If we trade BM for a 2nd and pick up a WR in the 1st. Thats just speaks of idiocy. And i think our FO has the moxy to do it.



So, then we condone Marshall's behavior, tell him it's o.k. to go out and beat up people (women especially), make a mockery of Practice, disrespect authority, give only half an effort when he feels like he's being ignored and generally make all of the other players have to make excuses for his indiscretions.

As much as Josh is still a question mark to me, I fully agree with him that Players are a role model and are paid to set an example for kids and others, along with being part of a bigger effort. Allowing him to get away with his crap is telling the others Players that they don;'t have to be part of the "Team"-they can just go out and throw a hissy fit and get paid for it.

I don't like it-it pisses me off. Marshall should have been schooled back when Shanahan was here, this is just too much drama for what we are getting-we can choose to put up with him now or build for the future. Don't get me wrong-he is a game changer, but can we really afford him?

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 03:46 PM
Not a lot of receivers in college run pro style routes - deep outs and digs. The current GT focused most of their passing attack on gos, posts, smokes (WR get ball on hash if CB is playing off) and slants. But Thomas also spent two years with Chan Gailey and his pro style attack. He needs to be developed but I like him far better the Bryant, long term.

Sorry dude Okie State pretty much is a spreed offense. Same type of O that we are running. Bryant is a much better fit for our offense then people want to admit.

baja
04-13-2010, 03:46 PM
First off I hate it that Marshall probably won't be a Bronco this year but it does make the case for Spiller a bit more interesting. He is a running back with mad receiving skills. I'd like to see what he could do here.

Archer81
04-13-2010, 03:47 PM
Wow...long thread over Marshall signing his tender...

Without skimming through it, I bet its 8 pages of speculation, name calling and several McDip**** references.

:Broncos:

BroncoSojia
04-13-2010, 03:49 PM
On ESPN just a few mins ago, John Clayton said there could be a trade coming in the next 24 hours.


He claims that the market for Marshall is heating up.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 03:51 PM
Wow...long thread over Marshall signing his tender...

Without skimming through it, I bet its 8 pages of speculation, name calling and several McDip**** references.

:Broncos:

You are wrong.

cutthemdown
04-13-2010, 03:57 PM
well Brandon signing the tender the Broncos must not be looking for a first rounder anymore...

Funny to many that people thought we would get a high pick. I was skeptical but thought maybe a low first, or at most a first rounder a yr away etc.

When Boldin goes for far less I knew it wasn't looking good.

Obviously any team who gets Brandon will feel like that got a bargain. I'm not so sure his career goes as well as people think it will. Brandon seems to look for revenge when he feels slighted. That happens a lot in the NFL. If he decides to have an incident everytime hes upset then he will be having a lot of them.

Players can face a lot of adversity and I don't think Brandon handles it very well.

cutthemdown
04-13-2010, 03:57 PM
I'm wondering how mature Brandon can be after getting a few million upfront in a big signing bonus.

Dagmar
04-13-2010, 04:01 PM
On ESPN just a few mins ago, John Clayton said there could be a trade coming in the next 24 hours.


He claims that the market for Marshall is heating up.

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/128968036222637924.jpg

PRBronco
04-13-2010, 04:02 PM
I'm wondering how mature Brandon can be after getting a few million upfront in a big signing bonus.

He'll do what any 12 year old with millions of dollars and no supervision would do: buy a bunch of toys, and slap any girls who try to play with them.

tsiguy96
04-13-2010, 04:06 PM
we will get value, guaranteed. mcdaniels has been literally lights out in FA, starting with the cutler trade, he fleeced the bears on that one and will probably do it again. it just takes 2 teams to get it going.

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-13-2010, 04:07 PM
On ESPN just a few mins ago, John Clayton said there could be a trade coming in the next 24 hours.


He claims that the market for Marshall is heating up.

Clayton's ties are still with the Seattle market. There may be something there, still.

baja
04-13-2010, 04:10 PM
I'm wondering how mature Brandon can be after getting a few million upfront in a big signing bonus.

I see we all are preparing ourselves for life after Brandon. ;D

tsiguy96
04-13-2010, 04:13 PM
for aaron curry straight up

Hercules Rockefeller
04-13-2010, 04:20 PM
On ESPN just a few mins ago, John Clayton said there could be a trade coming in the next 24 hours.


He claims that the market for Marshall is heating up.

There COULD be a trade within 24 hours? Way to go out on a limb John with such a definitive statement.

ScottXray
04-13-2010, 04:21 PM
Maybe the tender signing was to facilitate a trade, and maybe it was without a trade already in place. If the Offers start coming in then Denver can sit and wait, at least until the draft, and not have to make a decision really quick. Likely it means that we are going to trade him, but it also could be that its meant to stir up the action and get some more offers on the table, so we can see just what interest there is, and then show Brandon that we value him more than other teams, at least as far as value goes.

Realistically it was not likely that we got him to sign his tender unless we already had another offer on the table for him, from Denver, with a guarantee that he will receive that deal if we can't work out a trade by the draft. Of course, once signed we could burn all bridges and tell him that he is going to play for the tender for us and screw the lousy trade. Of course he would retaliate, and that would result in the mopey Jay form of Brandon, which wouldn't do us any good.

My thought is his signing the tender gives Denver a little more leeway in negotiating the trade (if there is one) because they now have exclusive rights, and no other team can sign him to an offer. Hopefully, they are smart enough to either keep him (Happy), or at least get real value if anyone wants to pony it up, and still pay more.

Actually this might be a good sign that he is realising that he may not get what he wants, and is trying to work with the front office.

Then again it could be the end times have come, and we are going to trade him for a 6-pack, carton of smokes and some cheez whiz, and crackers.

Chris
04-13-2010, 04:22 PM
I would probably prefer that Marshall remained a Bronco, because I love watching him play, but I think he's probably a little overrated. 100 catches is impressive, but if you are gaining 8 yards on 3rd and 10, or dropping a lot of passes, for instance, the catch number isn't as meaningful. Football Outsiders typically rates him as an average player:

2007: Ranked 30th in total value, 54th in average per play: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2007

2008: Ranked 32nd in total value, 58th in average per play:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2008

2009: Ranked 24th in total value, 38th in average per play:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

I think their statistical system undervalues Marshall, but it makes for an interesting counterpoint to the "Top 5" receiver argument. Flame away.

I agree that it's easy to watch Marshall dominate and be won over but there are equally times when he drops passes and disappears

Here was our situation in the past two seasons:

08 - We threw constantly to him to make up for our depleted running game
09 - We threw constantly to him to make up for either our QB's lack of accuracy down the field OR our lack of a downfield threat with Eddie's drop off (depending on how you see it)

RonDaChamp24
04-13-2010, 04:26 PM
I agree that it's easy to watch Marshall dominate and be won over but there are equally times when he drops passes and disappears

Here was our situation in the past two seasons:

08 - We threw constantly to him to make up for our depleted running game
09 - We threw constantly to him to make up for either our QB's lack of accuracy down the field OR our lack of a downfield threat with Eddie's drop off (depending on how you see it)

What about the year before that when he had 100 catches? Only the 6th player in NFL HISTORY with 3 straight seasons with 100 catches or more.

DenverBrit
04-13-2010, 04:28 PM
he'll do what any 12 year old with millions of dollars and no supervision would do: Buy a bunch of toys, and slap any girls who try to play with them.

:spit:

mkporter
04-13-2010, 04:35 PM
I agree that it's easy to watch Marshall dominate and be won over but there are equally times when he drops passes and disappears

Here was our situation in the past two seasons:

08 - We threw constantly to him to make up for our depleted running game
09 - We threw constantly to him to make up for either our QB's lack of accuracy down the field OR our lack of a downfield threat with Eddie's drop off (depending on how you see it)

Yeah, there's nothing I've enjoyed more than the couple of times a game where he punks like four guys after a catch. (Although it's usually to gain about 3 extra yards). Both Cutler and Orton spent a lot of time forcing him the ball. A lot of those catches were bubble screens as well. McD loves 'em, and Shanny did too.

I still think he's a very good receiver. But not really in the same class as Fitz/Andre Johnson/Reggie Wayne, etc.

DenverBrit
04-13-2010, 04:35 PM
Now that BM has signed, is there any scenario where Denver still has rights to match an offer??

Of course, BM is signed, so theoretically Denver could just keep him. But that's not going to happen.

DenverBrit
04-13-2010, 04:37 PM
Yeah, there's nothing I've enjoyed more than the couple of times a game where he punks like four guys after a catch. (Although it's usually to gain about 3 extra yards). Both Cutler and Orton spent a lot of time forcing him the ball. A lot of those catches were bubble screens as well. McD loves 'em, and Shanny did too.

I still think he's a very good receiver. But not really in the same class as Fitz/Andre Johnson/Reggie Wayne, etc.

I agree. BM is more of a possession receiver than a game breaker.....even though he had his moments.

ScottXray
04-13-2010, 04:37 PM
Now that BM has signed, is there any scenario where Denver still has rights to match an offer??

Of course, BM is signed, so theoretically Denver could just keep him. But that's not going to happen.

Now that he is signed no one else can even make an offer. We own him exclusively, for the next year. The only way anyone gets him is via trade.

DenverBrit
04-13-2010, 04:39 PM
Now that he is signed no one else can even make an offer. We own him exclusively, for the next year. The only way anyone gets him is via trade.

That's what I thought. Thanks.

Mr.Meanie
04-13-2010, 04:45 PM
What happened: Marshall signed his tender.

What the Mane currently thinks happened: McD traded Marshall for peanuts. Used said peanuts to draft a player who is already a bust. Marshall played at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade and won several Super Bowls. McD guaranteed he could plug Gaffney in and replace Marshall without a hitch.

This is just epically perfect after the 4 pages of straight overreaction and crying on this thread.

And we haven't even got to see bpc go full retard yet.

Popps
04-13-2010, 04:49 PM
And we haven't even got to see bpc go full retard yet.

:spit:

Lolad
04-13-2010, 04:57 PM
we will get value, guaranteed. mcdaniels has been literally lights out in FA, starting with the cutler trade, he fleeced the bears on that one and will probably do it again. it just takes 2 teams to get it going.

Did i read this right? What about giving away our #1 and now tryin to get it back for our Star WR

tsiguy96
04-13-2010, 05:01 PM
Did i read this right? What about giving away our #1 and now tryin to get it back for our Star WR

curious what giving our #1 away during last years NFL DRAFT has to do with free agency...hmmm

WHAT mcdaniels uses his drafts picks on is a different story.

Florida_Bronco
04-13-2010, 05:01 PM
And we haven't even got to see bpc go full retard yet.

He's probably crying in his pillow.

Caligula
04-13-2010, 05:03 PM
The ONLY reason Marshall signed his tender, is because there is a trade in place...a done deal. Marshall wouldnt' have signed it for any other reason. Don't think that he signed it in 'hopes' that Denver trades him. Its done, now its just a matter of the official paperwork and the announcement.

tsiguy96
04-13-2010, 05:06 PM
The ONLY reason Marshall signed his tender, is because there is a trade in place...a done deal. Marshall wouldnt' have signed it for any other reason. Don't think that he signed it in 'hopes' that Denver trades him. Its done, now its just a matter of the official paperwork and the announcement.

this is possible. not the ONLY reason, he could have signed it to facilitate trade talks between different teams.

watermock
04-13-2010, 05:09 PM
curious what giving our #1 away during last years NFL DRAFT has to do with free agency...hmmm

What McD uses his drafts picks on is a different story.

It means it won't matter how many picks we get if Beavis gets on the short bus again.

SoDak Bronco
04-13-2010, 05:09 PM
The ONLY reason Marshall signed his tender, is because there is a trade in place...a done deal. Marshall wouldnt' have signed it for any other reason. Don't think that he signed it in 'hopes' that Denver trades him. Its done, now its just a matter of the official paperwork and the announcement.

Are you traveling on the light rail? Or did bob tell you the deal is done? haha But yeah I agree, something is def. in the works.

DenverBrit
04-13-2010, 05:09 PM
It means it won't matter how many picks we get if Beavis gets on the short bus again.

Yeah, right, as if you'd let him on. Ha!

Caligula
04-13-2010, 05:09 PM
this is possible. not the ONLY reason, he could have signed it to facilitate trade talks between different teams.

I just don't think thta makes sense. Trade talks could be going on without the official signature on the paper. It wouldn't be smart for Marshall to sign his tender unless the trade was already done. In fact, it woudl be a flat out stupid thing for him to do, as I'm sure his agent made very clear.

rastaman
04-13-2010, 05:30 PM
I'm wondering how mature Brandon can be after getting a few million upfront in a big signing bonus.

That's the risk it looks like some team(s) are going to take. Its too early to say whether Bowlen and Josh have made a bad decision. On the one hand Denver is parting ways with player they didn't want to risk paying top 5 WR money, and possible having to deal with off the field incidents, suspensions, locker room distractions , further run-ins w/ McDaniel's and injury(s).

In the end however, I believe it was destiny in a sort of way that Marshall and McDaniel's just wasn't a match that was made to be, and its better for all involved that head strong player and a head strong HC go their separate ways.

rastaman
04-13-2010, 05:41 PM
Denvers offense in '09 was putrid, imagine 2010 with no Brandon Marshall... who is going to take the bubble screen to the house? no 1 on denvers roster

The game plan in 2010 to replace BMarsh will be to find another Gaffney type of WR. Between Gaffney and another WR his equal the pass game/bubble screen shouldn't drop off too much.

Caligula
04-13-2010, 05:42 PM
The game plan in 2010 to replace BMarsh will be to find another Gaffney type of WR. Between Gaffney and another WR his equal the pass game/bubble screen shouldn't drop off too much.

That just saddens me to think about.. and saddens me to see that people actually believe this

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 05:45 PM
The game plan in 2010 to replace BMarsh will be to find another Gaffney type of WR. Between Gaffney and another WR his equal the pass game/bubble screen shouldn't drop off too much.

Gaffneys been in the system for years and according to people around here he is a very good player. So where exactly are they picking up a guy that knows the system and is a very good player?

eddie mac
04-13-2010, 05:45 PM
I wonder will he run the fans down just like Cutler did when he got traded???

rastaman
04-13-2010, 05:46 PM
I agree with you their I'll be bent if we use our first on a WR.

Agreed. Denver needs to go OL the draft is heavy with offensive linemen.

eddie mac
04-13-2010, 05:49 PM
I'll be saddened as most will be if he leaves but TBH I wont blame our staff/owner one iota. Marshall brought this all on himself with his constant "me first attitude" and total disregard for this team and his team-mates through his own actions.

Fair enough the guy is a top player and wants to get paid as such but Bowlen has had his hands burnt too often via Shanahan's mistakes.

McDaniels showed already within just 12 months how he could turn $30m-$40m in long-term money into half a dozen good players.

Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2010, 05:53 PM
I'll be saddened as most will be if he leaves but TBH I wont blame our staff/owner one iota. Marshall brought this all on himself with his constant "me first attitude" and total disregard for this team and his team-mates through his own actions.

Fair enough the guy is a top player and wants to get paid as such but Bowlen has had his hands burnt too often via Shanahan's mistakes.

McDaniels showed already within just 12 months how he could turn $30m-$40m in long-term money into half a dozen good players.

this is how I view it as well
I would prefer to keep Marshall, and I will be dissapointed if we let him go for a second or less

But I can understand what the FO is doing, its been one problem after another with this guy

I cant get too mad since Branon's immaturity has escalated it to this point to begin with

Caligula
04-13-2010, 05:54 PM
McDaniels showed already within just 12 months how he could turn $30m-$40m in long-term money into half a dozen good players.

he has? where? Who? long term good players?

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 06:00 PM
I hope it's with the Rams and they include Adam Carriker in the deal.

baja
04-13-2010, 06:13 PM
I hope it's with the Rams and they include Adam Carriker in the deal.

I think a lot of you guys are going to be disappointed when you see what we get for Marshall if he is delt.

CEH
04-13-2010, 06:16 PM
Put me down for CLEV's 2nd round pick #38 and some other player

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 06:17 PM
I think a lot of you guys are going to be disappointed when you see what we get for Marshall if he is delt.
I think you are just as clueless (maybe more) as everyone on this board to what he is going to be traded for.

baja
04-13-2010, 06:19 PM
I think you are just as clueless as everyone on this board to what he is going to be traded for.

I think it's very important that you state the obvious.

I hope in the future you only read opinions you agree with and that you get head next tuesday.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 06:23 PM
I think it's very important that you state the obvious.

I hope in the future you only read opinions you agree with and that you get head next tuesday.

Well I think the obvious would be that people are going to be disappointed in what we get for Marshall. Odds are it's going to be very difficult to replace what he does on the field and I don't know many posters that think he isn't a good football player.

long beach bronco
04-13-2010, 06:24 PM
I'm hearing a big rumor: Marshall and the #11 pick to the Redskins for the #4 overall pick in the draft. That's what I'm hearing folks, nothing concrete yet.

Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2010, 06:26 PM
I'm hearing a big rumor: Marshall and the #11 pick to the Redskins for the #4 overall pick in the draft. That's what I'm hearing folks, nothing concrete yet.

uh huh
and where is this coming from?

long beach bronco
04-13-2010, 06:29 PM
Just heard the rumor here in LA on a San Diego sports station

tsiguy96
04-13-2010, 06:29 PM
I'm hearing a big rumor: Marshall and the #11 pick to the Redskins for the #4 overall pick in the draft. That's what I'm hearing folks, nothing concrete yet.

that would suck, who is there at 4 that we really want/need over 11?

ZONA
04-13-2010, 06:30 PM
All I know is if we trade BM, the passing game will not be as good, period. I don't care who we get in the draft. And the only way to make up for that loss of production is if our running game elevates to new heights. If we can get this running attack pounding away again, like in years past, it really will open up the passes more.

But if we do lose BM, I hope to hell we don't take Dez and use our 1st for Williams or Haden, but use our 2nd on Benn. No doubt.

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Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2010, 06:32 PM
that would suck, who is there at 4 that we really want/need over 11?

yeah I dont get it
who would we want?

Bradford should be gone
Suh should be gone
doubt we would want McCoy
Clausen?.....yucky

long beach bronco
04-13-2010, 06:34 PM
We could use the #4 pick to trade down and stockpile picks

Chief Macho
04-13-2010, 06:35 PM
Makes sense for Washington. Gets a wr and probably one of the 3 top tackles. Denver doesnt have to pay Brandon now so maybe its more palatable to Bowlens check book. But I doubt it.

BroncoSojia
04-13-2010, 06:35 PM
yeah I dont get it
who would we want?

Clausen?.....yucky

I hate to say it, but he might be the pick.

I don't think McCoy can play 3-4 DE and I don't think we'd draft a right tackle that high.

DBroncos4life
04-13-2010, 06:36 PM
that would suck, who is there at 4 that we really want/need over 11?

My guess would be someone that would be drafted between 4 and 11.

Br0nc0Buster
04-13-2010, 06:36 PM
We could use the #4 pick to trade down and stockpile picks

unless someone wants Clausen it is usually hard to get out of the top 10

Ziggy
04-13-2010, 06:37 PM
yeah I dont get it
who would we want?

Bradford should be gone
Suh should be gone
doubt we would want McCoy
Clausen?.....yucky

I'd be shocked if that deal went down, but I have to think that it would be for McCoy, Suh, or Berry.

orange&blue87
04-13-2010, 06:44 PM
I'm hearing a big rumor: Marshall and the #11 pick to the Redskins for the #4 overall pick in the draft. That's what I'm hearing folks, nothing concrete yet.

That puts Marshall's value at the 35th pick...

baja
04-13-2010, 06:44 PM
Well I think the obvious would be that people are going to be disappointed in what we get for Marshall.<b> Odds are it's going to be very difficult to replace what he does on the field and I don't know many posters that think he isn't a good football player.

Guess what, me neither.

Look I know you are disappointed he leaving, me too but you are going to have to find someone else to fight with. ;D

Dedhed
04-13-2010, 07:11 PM
I'm betting it's a deal with Seattle for #14.

They're the only team rumored to have begun negotiations with Marshall's agent (not Drew Rosenhaus, btw), and I can't see BM signing his tender unless his agent already had a contract situation he liked.

Caligula
04-13-2010, 07:15 PM
No way it involves a first round pick....

baja
04-13-2010, 07:19 PM
I'm betting it's a deal with Seattle for #14.

They're the only team rumored to have begun negotiations with Marshall's agent (not Drew Rosenhaus, btw), and I can't see BM signing his tender unless his agent already had a contract situation he liked.

Nice avatar.;D

KevinJames
04-13-2010, 07:20 PM
All I know is if we trade BM, the passing game will not be as good, period. I don't care who we get in the draft. And the only way to make up for that loss of production is if our running game elevates to new heights. If we can get this running attack pounding away again, like in years past, it really will open up the passes more.

But if we do lose BM, I hope to hell we don't take Dez and use our 1st for Williams or Haden, but use our 2nd on Benn. No doubt.

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I would be okay with that Benn in the 2nd would be a steal

Dedhed
04-13-2010, 07:57 PM
Nice avatar.;D

Thanks for letting me off the hook early.:thumbs:

I'm already planning a US Open rematch bet.

Dedhed
04-13-2010, 07:58 PM
No way it involves a first round pick....

Because......you say so?

Archer81
04-13-2010, 07:59 PM
Broncos trade Marshall to Seattle for both of their firsts, a bag of starbucks beans and a ham sandwich.

:Broncos: