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gunns
04-04-2010, 06:15 PM
That's what Adam has just twittered.

gunns
04-04-2010, 06:16 PM
http://twitter.com/ADAM_SCHEFTER

Bronco CB40
04-04-2010, 06:16 PM
On the bottom line on ESPN2

gunns
04-04-2010, 06:17 PM
Seems the draft continues to get shaken up

Broncobiv
04-04-2010, 06:21 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5055346

TheReverend
04-04-2010, 06:21 PM
Schefter's never wrong so we can pull the question mark from the title, imo

Natedog24
04-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Wow crazy in division trade. Awesome move for Shanahan if its true...

elsid13
04-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Bet Shanahan has trade in place to move Campbell too.

elsid13
04-04-2010, 06:23 PM
by the twitter

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

beanerbronco
04-04-2010, 06:24 PM
So we can almost pencil in one of the prime-time games?

TDmvp
04-04-2010, 06:25 PM
Omg wow

Dagmar
04-04-2010, 06:26 PM
So we can almost pencil in one of the prime-time games?

What?

Natedog24
04-04-2010, 06:27 PM
Still can't believe Philly would trade him within their own division.

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 06:28 PM
Done deal according to report during baseball game. WOW!

baja
04-04-2010, 06:28 PM
Now for the question that will always be asked for as long as Shanny is in Washington.
Wonder if that is a Shanny move or a Snyder move?

Dagmar
04-04-2010, 06:30 PM
I wonder what Atlas thinks... ;)

Filed to ESPN: Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions. 2 minutes ago via web

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 06:30 PM
Now for the question that will always be asked for as long as Shanny is in Washington.
Wonder if that is a Shanny move or a Snyder move?

Good question.

And what does this mean for Campbell?

elsid13
04-04-2010, 06:30 PM
Now for the question that will always be asked for as long as Shanny is in Washington.
Wonder if that is a Shanny move or a Snyder move?

It all Shanahan and Allen. Snyder has been very hands off and appears to be letting the adults run the team.

TonyR
04-04-2010, 06:31 PM
Still can't believe Philly would trade him within their own division.

Agree, it is odd. Must be by far the best offer they've received. Eagles are really dumping the 30+ year old players this offseason. I hope the Skins finish ahead of them and it blows up in their faces.

Mr.Meanie
04-04-2010, 06:34 PM
Stupid decision by Philly IMO. McNabb has led them to the playoffs I believe 8 out of the last 10 years, 1 SB, 4 NFCC gamess... and is the all time eagles leader in yards, wins, points, etc. He's still towards the top of his career, and they trade him to the Redskins? For a 2nd? wow.

Bronco CB40
04-04-2010, 06:35 PM
One of the things I admire about Shanahan is that he is a risk taker. He doesn't sit on his hands. There's never a rebuilding year with him. He's always trying to take a shot to win it all. What a heist to steal a future Hall of Fame QB from Washington's division rival.

yerner
04-04-2010, 06:35 PM
****. I'm jealous.

RunSilentRunDeep
04-04-2010, 06:39 PM
Mike Shanahan, you have big marbles!

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baja
04-04-2010, 06:40 PM
It all Shanahan and Allen. Snyder has been very hands off and appears to be letting the adults run the team.

I think it is a great move, a key piece really. Now Shanny has a proven QB to build his game plan around and they already have a good defense. Excellent move Shanny.

Baba Booey
04-04-2010, 06:42 PM
Eagles are idiots.

yerner
04-04-2010, 06:44 PM
I think it may be a mistake for the Eagles but Andy Reid said he wanted to get Mcnabb to a place he wanted to go and he did it. Big League move by Reid.

atomicbloke
04-04-2010, 06:44 PM
Another piece of evidence that Shanny > McD

baja
04-04-2010, 06:46 PM
Shanny & McNab = scary for a few years

extralife
04-04-2010, 06:46 PM
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Jimmy Clausen.

I think that's good compensation and I think Philly was smart to move McNabb, but within the division is probably a no-no

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 06:46 PM
McNabb still has a couple years left.

Well, I guess Reid got his top 42 pick. (#37)

Pseudofool
04-04-2010, 06:46 PM
Another piece of evidence that Shanny > McDIf the Broncos had acquired McNabb, somehow I think you'd come up with the same statement...

Archer81
04-04-2010, 06:47 PM
Good move Washington...silly move, Eagles. Top tier QB to a division rival with a solid defense and a HC known for his offenses?...NYG and Dal are probably thrilled with this, too.

:Broncos:

baja
04-04-2010, 06:47 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious around here if Shanny were to win a Super Bowl in his first year at Washington.

Archer81
04-04-2010, 06:48 PM
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Jimmy Clausen.

I think that's good compensation and I think Philly was smart to move McNabb, but within the division is probably a no-no


Over/under on Dez Bryant becoming a Redskin?


:Broncos:

That One Guy
04-04-2010, 06:48 PM
Shanny gets a mobile QB capable of actually throwing as well and has always been a winner. Sounds like what Shanny had success with previously.

Amazing that Eagles would trade within conference for only a 2nd and a future pick. Also amazing someone else wouldn't beat that to have a decent QB this year.

Br0nc0Buster
04-04-2010, 06:49 PM
very interesting
I wasnt as high on McNabb as most, he is afterall still a 34 year old injury prone qb

but the eagles got could value and this will help the skins out quite a bit because Campbell isnt good

oh Shanny wheeling and dealing

yerner
04-04-2010, 06:50 PM
Over/under on Dez Bryant becoming a Redskin?


:Broncos:

Naw, they need an Oline. Okung fits in there perfect.

Archer81
04-04-2010, 06:50 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious around here if Shanny were to win a Super Bowl in his first year at Washington.


This place would explode in a river of unicorn jizz and elf mucous, followed by binge drinking and an epic thread detailing the reasons why Snyder is a better owner than Bowlen...


:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
04-04-2010, 06:51 PM
I never understood why Philly fans never embraced McNabb. Good job Shanahan plus he helped us keeping McNabb away from Oakland.

baja
04-04-2010, 06:51 PM
Shanny gets a mobile QB capable of actually throwing as well and has always been a winner. Sounds like what Shanny had success with previously.

Amazing that Eagles would trade within conference for only a 2nd and a future pick. Also amazing someone else wouldn't beat that to have a decent QB this year.

Only thing that makes since is Philly thinks McNab is done and will not help Wash. that much.

Archer81
04-04-2010, 06:52 PM
Naw, they need an Oline. Okung fits in there perfect.


Maybe. Trading for McNabb is yelling "win now". An OL pick is practical. This is Mike Shanahan though. So I'm sticking with them going WR.


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
04-04-2010, 06:53 PM
Stupid decision by Philly IMO. McNabb has led them to the playoffs I believe 8 out of the last 10 years, 1 SB, 4 NFCC gamess... and is the all time eagles leader in yards, wins, points, etc. He's still towards the top of his career, and they trade him to the Redskins? For a 2nd? wow.

Yeah. They did him wrong.

This is Philly, so it doesnt surprise me that they disrespect a franchise cornerstone like that.

On the other hand, McNabb is playing for a guy who will maximize his ability. Shanny will absolutely love McNabb. Its the best QB he has had since Elway obviously, and McNabb has alot of the same skills that Elway did.

The Redskins are now contenders.

ChSuperStar
04-04-2010, 06:53 PM
Over/under on Dez Bryant becoming a Redskin?


:Broncos:
@4 ... LOL, you must be crazy to think that. No way. I can see them either trading that pick away and going down or will get a Oline help. Do you guys think safety is something Shanny will look into at 4 ?

That One Guy
04-04-2010, 06:54 PM
I never understood why Philly fans never embraced McNabb. Good job Shanahan plus he helped us keeping McNabb away from Oakland.

McNabb was never truly elite in any category and while an NFC championship (or 4) is nice, he never could make them the champions and when he was close, he choked (or vomited, I guess). If we were talking a team without a past like, say, San Diego then he'd have been loved. For a team with a history though, they just wanted that next trophy and he never brought one home.

Requiem
04-04-2010, 06:56 PM
If the Eagles feel confident in Kolb's abilities, they needed to make this move. A very high second round pick in this draft, and a third or fourth next year is a nice haul for a guy who will probably play it out a few years. Draft well, and hope that those picks can help them land another player just as valuable as McNabb was to them for a long time. Could work well for both teams.

illbroncsfn
04-04-2010, 06:57 PM
Nice move by Shannahan and the Redskins...

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 06:59 PM
Shanahan on offense >>> Reid on offense

Eagles fans never got over McNabb being taken instead of Ricky Williams.

Archer81
04-04-2010, 07:00 PM
@4 ... LOL, you must be crazy to think that. No way. I can see them either trading that pick away and going down or will get a Oline help. Do you guys think safety is something Shanny will look into at 4 ?


Im crazy for suggesting WR at 4, but its ok to suggest a safety?

...

Crazier things have happened...its not like Shanahan has never taken a WR instead of a safety before...


:Broncos:

baja
04-04-2010, 07:00 PM
If the Eagles feel confident in Kolb's abilities, they needed to make this move. A very high second round pick in this draft, and a third or fourth next year is a nice haul for a guy who will probably play it out a few years. Draft well, and hope that those picks can help them land another player just as valuable as McNabb was to them for a long time. Could work well for both teams.

Yep this looks like a win / win situation.

HAT
04-04-2010, 07:01 PM
The Redskins are now contenders.

It's a good move but IMO their ceiling is still only 8-9 wins max in 2010.

elsid13
04-04-2010, 07:01 PM
Im crazy for suggesting WR at 4, but its ok to suggest a safety?

...

Crazier things have happened...its not like Shanahan has never taken a WR instead of a safety before...


:Broncos:

Shanahan going LT. They have Thomas, Moss and Kelly.

That One Guy
04-04-2010, 07:01 PM
Im crazy for suggesting WR at 4, but its ok to suggest a safety?

...

Crazier things have happened...its not like Shanahan has never taken a WR instead of a safety before...


:Broncos:

Haha... I see what you did here...

Bigdawg26
04-04-2010, 07:01 PM
I'm happy for McNabb more than either party. The guy is a GREAT quarterback who never got the credit he deserves in the Philly!

epicSocialism4tw
04-04-2010, 07:01 PM
I never understood why Philly fans never embraced McNabb. Good job Shanahan plus he helped us keeping McNabb away from Oakland.

He never won the big one.

ColoradoDarin
04-04-2010, 07:02 PM
Good trade for both teams. McNabb is better than any QB in the draft and better than anyone Wash would select at 37. Eagles get good compensation instead of letting him walk next year (and assuming no play in 2011 getting nothing in 2012 for another year older if they would have franchised him)

Eagle fans one step closer to hating their new QB.

Wes Mantooth
04-04-2010, 07:03 PM
I will be watching the skins quite a bit for the next couple of years. I think it will take at least two years, but they will be very competitive in the playoffs soon.

epicSocialism4tw
04-04-2010, 07:04 PM
It's a good move but IMO their ceiling is still only 8-9 wins max in 2010.

That team has talent everywhere...veteran talent.

This is a good team.

Beantown Bronco
04-04-2010, 07:07 PM
So we can almost pencil in one of the prime-time games?

What?

He's saying that "Washington vs. Philly" is now a given for a SNF or MNF game......probably in Philly. Should make for an interesting atmosphere.

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 07:08 PM
Looks like Shanny is keeping Campbell too which IMHO is a great move. There's a chance he could trade Campbell but I seriously Shanny does this. He'll let Campbell learn behind McNabb. Great move.

gtown
04-04-2010, 07:10 PM
Good move by shanny. Eagles will eventually have to pay for disloyalty. And curious how this comes after the Bradford pro day. I bet that was shanny's pick all along.

The skins might be good. But shanny is still dumb on defense. You switch to a 3-4 with dominant 4-3 players and then you make a move for an old QB in an effort to win now. Lacks cohesion if you ask me. It will take a few years to get the right 3-4 players. By that time mcnabb will be a underthrowing WRs in a weekend rec league.

gyldenlove
04-04-2010, 07:11 PM
It will be Okung or one of the DTs.

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 07:12 PM
I guess Reid is comfortable with Vick as his backup...

go_broncos
04-04-2010, 07:12 PM
I think it is a good move by Redskins.Mcnabb is a good QB that has at least couple more years left.

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 07:12 PM
Shanny should just leave the defense alone. Let the defensive coordinator keep the current 4-3 set up and just maximize their strengths.

hookemhess
04-04-2010, 07:13 PM
Agree, it is odd. Must be by far the best offer they've received. Eagles are really dumping the 30+ year old players this offseason. I hope the Skins finish ahead of them and it blows up in their faces.

I wouldn't be surprised. Kolb is legit IMO, but you can expect some growing pains next year. Shanny + Mcnabb FTW

gunns
04-04-2010, 07:15 PM
Over/under on Dez Bryant becoming a Redskin?


:Broncos:

I think it's Okung

Caligula
04-04-2010, 07:17 PM
The Skins now, would be foolish not to take the best available LT (I think Detroit is smart and takes tOkung at 2).... THey can address the WR spot much later than at #4

s0phr0syne
04-04-2010, 07:17 PM
I <3 this thread. I wouldn't have understood it without the explanations for retards, but I love it nevertheless.


Over/under on Dez Bryant becoming a Redskin?


:Broncos:


Im crazy for suggesting WR at 4, but its ok to suggest a safety?

...

Crazier things have happened...its not like Shanahan has never taken a WR instead of a safety before...


:Broncos:



Haha... I see what you did here...

Archer81
04-04-2010, 07:18 PM
I <3 this thread. I wouldn't have understood it without the explanations for retards, but I love it nevertheless.


I'm retarded?



:Broncos:

SpringStein
04-04-2010, 07:19 PM
I think it's Okung

Unless the Lions decide to take him at #2.

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 07:20 PM
The Skins now, would be foolish not to take the best available LT (I think Detroit is smart and takes tOkung at 2).... THey can address the WR spot much later than at #4

Blah, if I was Shanny i'd trade down and just pick up as many quality players as I can in this draft. Unfortunately its hard to trade back in deep drafts, however, if I was Shanny that is axactly what I'd be trying to do.

gunns
04-04-2010, 07:21 PM
Unless the Lions decide to take him at #2.

As much as they need a good LT like Okung, will they take the BPA in Suh or McCoy?

Tomeboy58801
04-04-2010, 07:21 PM
That is a terrible move on Philadelphia's part, why would you trade a Pro Bowl quaterback, to a team in your division, that you will have to face twice a year. This is going to bite them in the a**. How does this help the Eagles? The Redskins will probbaly have a better record than the Eagles this year. Now the Eagles have the worst QB in the division. WOW, this blows me away.

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 07:22 PM
Bradford is all but a lock for the #1 now.

s0phr0syne
04-04-2010, 07:24 PM
I'm retarded?




Uh...no, I am b/c I didn't really get the greatness of your original post until you and someone else broke it down for me. ):twokisses:peace:

Archer81
04-04-2010, 07:25 PM
Uh...no, I am b/c I didn't really get the greatness of your original post until you and someone else broke it down for me. ):twokisses:peace:


Ah. Cool. I just finished this stupid ass paper for geography...and watching LOTR: The Return of the King...bit scatterbrained this afternoon.


:Broncos:

Caligula
04-04-2010, 07:25 PM
As much as they need a good LT like Okung, will they take the BPA in Suh or McCoy?

I think they take Okung.... then move their current LT to LG.. thus filling two spots on the OL, taking it from a weakess to a strength, and guarding the backside of their stud QB.. giving him time to throw to their stud WR.

Not to mention... DTs don't usually get #2 money.. but Left Tackles do. So they would be spending the right amount of money for the appropriate position (rather than spending higher money for a DT).. and filling two spots with it.

I think Detroit would be smarter to go LT

HAT
04-04-2010, 07:26 PM
That team has talent everywhere...veteran talent.

This is a good team.

Right....That's why I think they can win 4-5 more games than they did last year.

I see the word 'contender' and I think 11 games minimum....You actually think their off season moves to date equate to an additional seven games?

When was the last time any team made that kind of leap in a single season?

Archer81
04-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Right....That's why I think they can win 4-5 more games than they did last year.

I see the word 'contender' and I think 11 games minimum....You actually think their off season moves to date equate to an additional seven games?

When was the last time any team made that kind of leap in a single season?


1999 Colts? 3-13 to 13-3.


:Broncos:

HAT
04-04-2010, 07:28 PM
Uh...no, I am b/c I didn't really get the greatness of your original post until you and someone else broke it down for me. ):twokisses:peace:

I missed the original genius of the post as well.....

BWCHHER!!!!

Caligula
04-04-2010, 07:30 PM
Right....That's why I think they can win 4-5 more games than they did last year.

I see the word 'contender' and I think 11 games minimum....You actually think their off season moves to date equate to an additional seven games?

When was the last time any team made that kind of leap in a single season?

Seems several Super Bowl teams have gone from a 2 win or a 4 win season to a Super Bowl contender....

So you never know. Likely, no. Possible.. absolutely.

Going from Campbell to McNabb is one of the biggest moves for a team that has a sturdy defense already.

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 07:31 PM
1999 Rams

sixtimeseight
04-04-2010, 07:31 PM
Over/under on Dez Bryant becoming a Redskin?


:Broncos:

I don't think you understand what "over/under" means.

strafen
04-04-2010, 07:32 PM
This will certainly shake up the top order of the draft.
McNabb has at least 5-6 solid years. I'm not a big fan of him, but I recognize he's still got plenty good quality playing time.

Could they still get Sam Bradford?
McNabb is 33 years old. The terms of the deal has not been set yet, as they've only agreed in principal.

SpringStein
04-04-2010, 07:32 PM
As much as they need a good LT like Okung, will they take the BPA in Suh or McCoy?

I have no idea - just think that DT isn't a slam dunk for the Lions. Frankly a case can be made for either the DT or LT.

Hamrob
04-04-2010, 07:32 PM
Great move. I agree...right now they look like they'll be 8-8. Add a LT and a WR to that mix and 11-5 is knocking at the door.

L.J., Parker & DNab to go along with Portis, Malcom Kelly, Devin Thomas, Santana Moss & Chris Cooley). Add in the ZBS blocking Oline and lookout!

That just might be one heck of an offense.

Archer81
04-04-2010, 07:33 PM
I don't think you understand what "over/under" means.


Then explain it.


:Broncos:

Caligula
04-04-2010, 07:36 PM
This will certainly shake up the top order of the draft.
McNabb has at least 5-6 solid years. I'm not a big fan of him, but I recognize he's still got plenty good quality playing time.

Could they still get Sam Bradford?
McNabb is 33 years old. The terms of the deal has not been set yet, as they've only agreed in principal.

Bradford is going #1 to the Rams.

s0phr0syne
04-04-2010, 07:38 PM
Is it okay that I like this move if for no other reason that it knocks Clausen further down the slots (aka less money for the dude)?

JCMElway
04-04-2010, 07:40 PM
I wonder what Atlas thinks... ;)

**** atlas. goddamn turncoat.

maher_tyler
04-04-2010, 07:40 PM
Just saw it on the ticker on ESPN watching the Sox Yanks game...solid pick up for the Skins..Shanny making moves!!

Dudeskey
04-04-2010, 07:41 PM
Ain't this some ****. Not only does he go to a rival team, but he lands right on his feet in a system similar to Reid's

baja
04-04-2010, 07:44 PM
I'm retarded?



:Broncos:

Yes, he was talking about the other guy ;D

sixtimeseight
04-04-2010, 07:44 PM
Then explain it.


:Broncos:

lol. you could have just looked it up yourself and spared yourself the embarrassment. but here we go.

over/under refers to a number. hence, you can either bet on something being "over" a given number or "under" that number. for example, the total points scored in a football game. you can't have an over/under bet on whether or not the redskins are going to draft dez bryant. what exactly would over or under mean in this scenario?

next time, just admit you don't know what something means so you don't look so foolish.

JCMElway
04-04-2010, 07:47 PM
I think they take Okung.... then move their current LT to LG.. thus filling two spots on the OL, taking it from a weakess to a strength, and guarding the backside of their stud QB.. giving him time to throw to their stud WR.

Not to mention... DTs don't usually get #2 money.. but Left Tackles do. So they would be spending the right amount of money for the appropriate position (rather than spending higher money for a DT).. and filling two spots with it.

I think Detroit would be smarter to go LT

Too bad Detroit is going to take Okung. They better move up two slots if they want an OT.

TDmvp
04-04-2010, 07:49 PM
Mac 5 was my go to pick of guy I thought would been great here to replace Elway if I couldn't just pick the obvious chalk picks of Manning or Brady , not that anyone can replace Elway ...

But I always thought Mcnabb would be great in Shanny's system ...
Great at the roll outs , mobile and big arm.

But if I could have magically had someone in 2001 or so with Shanny's system It would have been Mcnabb ... To me he is like Jake with a better national rep...

Similar skill sets ...

strafen
04-04-2010, 07:50 PM
Ain't this some ****. Not only does he go to a rival team, but he lands right on his feet in a system similar to Reid'sCorrect. That's what I was thinking. Same system and perhaps be surrounded with a solid running game.
McNabb will get to play against his former team twice this year.
Crazy trade if you asked me...

Florida_Bronco
04-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Another piece of evidence that Shanny > McD

Why? Because Shanny picked up a talented but aging quarterback on the cheap after he had been on the trading block for weeks because they seemingly have his replacement on staff.

Don't get me wrong, this move makes a lot of sense for Shanny and the Skins, but that is not true for us.

RonDaChamp24
04-04-2010, 07:52 PM
Too bad Detroit is going to take Okung. They better move up two slots if they want an OT.

Lions will take Suh. Bank on it.

anton
04-04-2010, 07:52 PM
Too bad Detroit is going to take Okung. They better move up two slots if they want an OT.

Dude, dont get me excited. 1. Bradford 2. Okung means 3. Bucs - SUH!!!

Caligula
04-04-2010, 07:56 PM
Too bad Detroit is going to take Okung. They better move up two slots if they want an OT.

I"m pretty sure thats exactly what my post was talking about... Detroit taking Okung.. thus filling two spots.

Doesn't mean that the Redskins don't take the next best LT

Bronco CB40
04-04-2010, 07:57 PM
Shanahan's QBs now include John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Jay Cutler.

Bronco CB40
04-04-2010, 07:57 PM
I"m pretty sure thats exactly what my post was talking about... Detroit taking Okung.. thus filling two spots.

Doesn't mean that the Redskins don't take the next best LT

Anthony Davis suits the ZBS quite well. Athletic, quick feet OT.

robbieopperude
04-04-2010, 08:02 PM
Maybe shanny atones and takes the next Ed Reid or Champ Bailey (Joe Haden).

strafen
04-04-2010, 08:04 PM
Maybe shanny atones and takes the next Ed Reid or Champ Bailey (Joe Haden).

CJ Spiller at RB...?

Archer81
04-04-2010, 08:06 PM
lol. you could have just looked it up yourself and spared yourself the embarrassment. but here we go.

over/under refers to a number. hence, you can either bet on something being "over" a given number or "under" that number. for example, the total points scored in a football game. you can't have an over/under bet on whether or not the redskins are going to draft dez bryant. what exactly would over or under mean in this scenario?

next time, just admit you don't know what something means so you don't look so foolish.


Really? You took offense to a figure of speech? Would "How much do you want to bet the Redskins take Dez Bryant" fit your asthetic more perfectly?

Sensitive.


:Broncos:

Archer81
04-04-2010, 08:07 PM
Shanahan's QBs now include John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Jay Cutler.


Adding Jay Cutler to this list is a joke, right?


:Broncos:

FADERPROOF
04-04-2010, 08:07 PM
Maybe shanny atones and takes the next Ed Reid or Champ Bailey (Joe Haden).

April Fools day has already passed.

Dudeskey
04-04-2010, 08:17 PM
Correct. That's what I was thinking. Same system and perhaps be surrounded with a solid running game.
McNabb will get to play against his former team twice this year.
Crazy trade if you asked me...

I'm not only amazed the Skins were able to pull this off, but equally amazed the Eagles allowed this to happen. If, err when this bites Philly in the ass, heads will be rollin' there!

HAT
04-04-2010, 08:26 PM
Shanahan's QBs now include John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Jay Cutler.

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FADERPROOF
04-04-2010, 08:30 PM
I'm not only amazed the Skins were able to pull this off, but equally amazed the Eagles allowed this to happen. If, err when this bites Philly in the ass, heads will be rollin' there!

Yeah thats what I cant understand, they got worked over in a trade by a division team. They wanted a top 42 pick for McNabb which is already a lowball for a QB of his calibur, then they accept a trade from a team that they will see twice a year!

Skins have to be laughing over this one!

Dagmar
04-04-2010, 08:35 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/2zsa2ip.jpg

BroncoBuff
04-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Eagles are idiots.

No kidding ... they must've been desperate to move him.

strafen
04-04-2010, 08:40 PM
No kidding ... they must've been desperate to move him.Yup.
This is like the perfect situation for McNabb for the reasons already stated. another good thing for him is that he wanted to be traded to the skins over the raiders according to ESPN.
How did the Eagles managed to make it happen, it can only be summed up in one word...desperation!

Dagmar
04-04-2010, 08:42 PM
Shanahan's QBs now include John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Jay Cutler.
Hilarious!

One of these things is not like the other!

HAT
04-04-2010, 08:43 PM
Yes, he was talking about the other guy ;D

Actually, he was talking about himself. :thumbs:

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 08:55 PM
No kidding ... they must've been desperate to move him.

Shanahan must've told Reid there was a cheeseburger in it for him.

TonyR
04-04-2010, 09:00 PM
Why? Because Shanny picked up a talented but aging quarterback on the cheap after he had been on the trading block for weeks because they seemingly have his replacement on staff.

Don't get me wrong, this move makes a lot of sense for Shanny and the Skins, but that is not true for us.

Good post, although I'm not certain this makes sense for the Skins either. Don't get me wrong, they took a bold gamble and upgraded the QB position. But they give up a high 2 in a deep draft and probably don't have the talent around McNabb to succeed. Their O-line is a mess, they have 3 washed up RBs, and nothing special at WR. Should be interesting.

theAPAOps5
04-04-2010, 09:01 PM
Shanahan's QBs now include John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Jay Cutler.

4 out 5 is awesome. He really missed with one but that track record is decent.

TonyR
04-04-2010, 09:03 PM
Eagles are idiots.

Don't be so fast to condemn the Eagles. I agree it's a questionable move with a lot of built in downside. But they almost always guess right on knowing when to let their aging players go. And now they don't have to commit big $ to McNabb going into a potential lockout. But I agree they shouldn't have moved him within the division.

montrose
04-04-2010, 09:03 PM
McNabb seems to be a great fit in Shanahan's system, but I have to wonder: the Eagles have been widely regarded as one of the best scouting/talent evaluating teams in the league, so how little did they think of Donovan to send within the division to a team running the same offense?

Ziggy
04-04-2010, 09:05 PM
Right....That's why I think they can win 4-5 more games than they did last year.

I see the word 'contender' and I think 11 games minimum....You actually think their off season moves to date equate to an additional seven games?

When was the last time any team made that kind of leap in a single season?

2 years ago.

2007 Miami Dolphins- 1-15
2008 Miami Dolphins- 11-5

2007 Falcons- 4-12
2008 Falcons- 11-5

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 09:07 PM
McNabb seems to be a great fit in Shanahan's system, but I have to wonder: the Eagles have been widely regarded as one of the best scouting/talent evaluating teams in the league, so how little did they think of Donovan to send within the division to a team running the same offense?

I think it shows how much confidence they have in Kolb. Also, Philly knows how to game plan McNabb so maybe they are thinking they have the edge in any future match ups.

KipCorrington25
04-04-2010, 09:08 PM
Wait, how does this work? You trade for pro bowl QB's and you don't trade them away.... so confused as a Bronco fan how that works...

bowtown
04-04-2010, 09:09 PM
So then Campbell will be playing QB after McNabb is injured by week 6?

theAPAOps5
04-04-2010, 09:11 PM
Wait, how does this work? You trade for pro bowl QB's and you don't trade them away.... so confused as a Bronco fan how that works...

Don't even try to equate this to Cutler. How many NFC Championship games has McNabb been to? Plus he played in a Super Bowl that he almost won.

Cutler, well he has that great Pro-bowl game. I mean that is so important. Buy a vowel! :)

HAT
04-04-2010, 09:12 PM
2 years ago.

2007 Miami Dolphins- 1-15
2008 Miami Dolphins- 11-5

2007 Falcons- 4-12
2008 Falcons- 11-5

Gracias....Didn't feel like looking it up.

So it's possible Denver goes 15-1 this year then. ^5

HAT
04-04-2010, 09:14 PM
Don't even try to equate this to Cutler. How many NFC Championship games has McNabb been to? Plus he played in a Super Bowl that he almost won.

Cutler, well he has that great Pro-bowl game. I mean that is so important. Buy a vowel! :)

Not only that....Cutler got to the Pro Bowl in 2008 via virtually the same numbers Orton had for Denver in 2009. :wiggle:

bowtown
04-04-2010, 09:16 PM
I didn't watch football last season.

Interesting.

Killericon
04-04-2010, 09:19 PM
Well, it's official. After the Broncos and the Vikings, I'm rooting for the Redskins.

bronco militia
04-04-2010, 09:29 PM
great trade....god damn it

**** you josh

JCMElway
04-04-2010, 09:30 PM
**** atlas. goddamn turncoat.

I just heard that Atlas really IS a Bronco fan and he was somehow misrepresented. So, my apologies.

GO BRONCOS!

epicSocialism4tw
04-04-2010, 09:32 PM
Gracias....Didn't feel like looking it up.

So it's possible Denver goes 15-1 this year then. ^5

It cant be understated how much a player like McNabb adds to a team like the Redskins.

Not only that, but youre now talking Shanny + McNabb. Those type of names bring energy into the locker room. Two hall-of-famer's.

They have a good mix of vets and young playmakers like Cooley, Portis, Santana Moss, Andre Carter, Haynesworth, LaRon Landry, Orakpo, Philip Buchanon, Carlos Rogers, etc.

Shanny wont need a full squad of blue-chip O-linemen to field a dominant rushing attack.

I think that the Redskins are the favorites from that division.

epicSocialism4tw
04-04-2010, 09:33 PM
great trade....god damn it

**** you josh

:rofl:

Its almost a joke to think of the resources the Broncos might have had had they kept Shanny.

bronco militia
04-04-2010, 09:35 PM
:rofl:

Its almost a joke to think of the resources the Broncos might have had had they kept Shanny.

no doubt...but don't get me wrong. Shanny needed to go. I just think we hired the wrong guy

CEH
04-04-2010, 09:38 PM
The top 4 players in NFL history that have over 30,000 yards passing and 3,000 yards rushing and Shanny has coached 3 of the 4

Elway, Young and McNabb. Only other is Tarkenton

baja
04-04-2010, 09:46 PM
Not only that....Cutler got to the Pro Bowl in 2008 via virtually the same numbers Orton had for Denver in 2009. :wiggle:

That's an interesting stat.

jutang
04-04-2010, 10:08 PM
Watch Shanny trade Campbell for a higher second round pick.

gunns
04-04-2010, 10:10 PM
Really? You took offense to a figure of speech? Would "How much do you want to bet the Redskins take Dez Bryant" fit your asthetic more perfectly?

Sensitive.


:Broncos:

He's probably stomping his feet that you didn't acknowledge his intellect. If he's ever been with a girl and she says over/under he probably goes into that speech.

Kaylore
04-04-2010, 10:11 PM
I haven't read the whole thread but I think this is fantastic for the Redskins, Shanahan and McNabb.

Shanahan gets a QB that is experience and athletic enough to run his whole offense and who is also familiar already with the concepts.

The Redskins get to not have to play McNabb every year and upgrade their QB position.

McNabb goes to a team where the fans love you even if you suck and they are already loaded up to a degree. He also gets to beat the team who took him for granted twice a year.

If I'm a Philly fan I'm hoping they know what they're doing, because if we got two firsts for Cutler and they got a second and a third/fourth for McNabb, we raped the crap out of the Bears.

And for those pissing and moaning about us not getting him, it would not have worked. McNabb and Denver would not be a good fit and it would have been underwhelming for McNabb and the Broncos. He doesn't fit what we're doing here.

tsiguy96
04-04-2010, 10:13 PM
:rofl:

Its almost a joke to think of the resources the Broncos might have had had they kept Shanny.

even bigger joke to think of the defense we woulda had last year, given the downward trend from the previous 3 years.

montrose
04-04-2010, 10:13 PM
That's an interesting stat.

Orton's yards and TDs were a little less but he threw for less picks and had a higher QB ratings. Pretty impressive considering Orton was in his 1st year of this system and Cutler was in his 3rd of that system. Jay also had Harris and a Pro Bowler caliber Wiegmann protecting him. Interestingly if you break down their individual games, Kyle played really well against better teams while Jay tended to beat up on the Cleveland's of the world. Not to even allude that the two are in the same league as we know no QB other than Elway may be compared to Jay (unless a team lets Hillis take snaps of course), but interesting how well Orton played in just year one of this offense.

Caligula
04-04-2010, 10:14 PM
Another twitter from Schefter:

When Mike Shanahan became John Elway's head coach, Elway was 34 with rep for not winning big one. McNabb is 33 with same reputation.
about 1 hour ago via web

Hogan11
04-04-2010, 10:16 PM
Trading him within the division...what the hell are they thinking?

tsiguy96
04-04-2010, 10:17 PM
this is a crazy good trade for redskins. shanahan has always worked miracles with established good QBs, especially big, strong mobile guys who he can get out of the pocket. should work out well for the redskins, but they have a LOT of work to do on that oline.

NFLBRONCO
04-04-2010, 10:19 PM
At 4 they can get best LT and be vastly improved.

Caligula
04-04-2010, 10:20 PM
Orton's yards and TDs were a little less but he threw for less picks and had a higher QB ratings. Pretty impressive considering Orton was in his 1st year of this system and Cutler was in his 3rd of that system. Jay also had Harris and a Pro Bowler caliber Wiegmann protecting him. Interestingly if you break down their individual games, Kyle played really well against better teams while Jay tended to beat up on the Cleveland's of the world. Not to even allude that the two are in the same league as we know no QB other than Elway may be compared to Jay (unless a team lets Hillis take snaps of course), but interesting how well Orton played in just year one of this offense.


Thats pretty mis-leading an pretty biased. Its a good thing that the the QB rating isn't considered to be a stat worth a junk. Its about the most worthless stat used.

You could very well point out that our OL was better because of Cutler.

Also... a little less yardage? 726 yrds is quite a bit

Cutler also threw the ball over 600 times, had a better completion percentage... and actually threatened the defense downfield.

Cutler made the pro-bowl because he was actually a threat, Orton benefited from 3 yard routes and bubble screens.

baja
04-04-2010, 10:23 PM
Orton's yards and TDs were a little less but he threw for less picks and had a higher QB ratings. Pretty impressive considering Orton was in his 1st year of this system and Cutler was in his 3rd of that system. Jay also had Harris and a Pro Bowler caliber Wiegmann protecting him. Interestingly if you break down their individual games, Kyle played really well against better teams while Jay tended to beat up on the Cleveland's of the world. Not to even allude that the two are in the same league as we know no QB other than Elway may be compared to Jay (unless a team lets Hillis take snaps of course), but interesting how well Orton played in just year one of this offense.

Good point on the year one qualifier. Orton might have a hell of a year this season.

montrose
04-04-2010, 10:29 PM
Thats pretty mis-leading an pretty biased. Its a good thing that the the QB rating isn't considered to be a stat worth a junk. Its about the most worthless stat used.

You could very well point out that our OL was better because of Cutler.

Also... a little less yardage? 726 yrds is quite a bit

Cutler also threw the ball over 600 times, had a better completion percentage... and actually threatened the defense downfield.

Cutler made the pro-bowl because he was actually a threat, Orton benefited from 3 yard routes and bubble screens.

I said at the end, I wasn't trying to compare the two were in the same league. LOL. I'll never compare the two on talent but I was mainly pointing out I thought Orton was very solid in his first of this system. I'm simply not a fan of Cutler the QB, I just think he takes too many risks for my taste and doesn't have the attitude I like. The guy hasn't had a winning season since he was running the option and playing safety in high school. If he blows up and has a great career, more power to him as I don't have any personal ill feelings about him. A lot of Broncos fans hated the way he left the team, I honestly didn't care - I didn't like him from a football standpoint, he reminds me so much of Jeff George. I'm happy we moved on and got good value (especially compared to this McNabb deal).

bpc
04-04-2010, 10:37 PM
It's a good move but IMO their ceiling is still only 8-9 wins max in 2010.

This move just put them in line to about 10 wins. I already thought they would finish 2nd in the division and challenge for a playoff spot based on Shanahan alone.

Now he's going to get a pro bowl/playoff QB, who knows the division, will have a tremendous running game and a young attacking defense. Cowboys just cut their starting LT, and starting safety. Redskins are making headway to the top of the division already.

Hard not to admire Shanahan. The haters will tell you different but he's switching things up like a rubixcube, always thinking outside the box. He knows he's really close with this team. They are going to wrap up Okung in round 1, have a future LT in place and probably draft a QB of the future next year. There isn't any unbeatable teams in the NFC. That includes the Saints. I like Mike's chances and would not bet against him.

Punisher
04-04-2010, 10:38 PM
Eagles are idiots.

I know all McNabb did was take them to the playoffs almost every year, go to 5 NFC Championships and the Super Bowl and that city gave him no love. Now the Eagles will just go back to there Ricky Watters days. lol Poor idiots

bpc
04-04-2010, 10:41 PM
Anthony Davis suits the ZBS quite well. Athletic, quick feet OT.

It will be Okung or Trent Williams. I could see them take a big DT if they slide, I imagine they won't though. Shanahan will now place a premium on a top notch OT knowing he won't be drafting in the single digits for a very long time.

Redskins will be fun to watch this year.

bpc
04-04-2010, 10:43 PM
Good post, although I'm not certain this makes sense for the Skins either. Don't get me wrong, they took a bold gamble and upgraded the QB position. But they give up a high 2 in a deep draft and probably don't have the talent around McNabb to succeed. Their O-line is a mess, they have 3 washed up RBs, and nothing special at WR. Should be interesting.

And? It bought them time with a pro bowl QB, who knows and has won the division many times. It also gives them some time to find a QBOTF.

Homer post. We all know you hate Shanahan. This is just pathetic though.

bpc
04-04-2010, 10:46 PM
Another twitter from Schefter:

When Mike Shanahan became John Elway's head coach, Elway was 34 with rep for not winning big one. McNabb is 33 with same reputation.
about 1 hour ago via web

Love that stat. Shanahan, music to my ears. He's going to win a few more super bowls before it's all said and done. He'll also moonwalk into Canton.

GOOD LUCK COACH SHANAHAN! Win big buddy. You still have a lot fans here in Denver rooting for your success.

HAT
04-04-2010, 10:48 PM
Thats pretty mis-leading an pretty biased. Its a good thing that the the QB rating isn't considered to be a stat worth a junk. Its about the most worthless stat used.

You could very well point out that our OL was better because of Cutler.

Also... a little less yardage? 726 yrds is quite a bit

Cutler also threw the ball over 600 times, had a better completion percentage... and actually threatened the defense downfield.

Cutler made the pro-bowl because he was actually a threat, Orton benefited from 3 yard routes and bubble screens.

You're missing the point. This little off-shoot conversation started because kipjhnsdragstercorrington7 chimed in about Cutler being a "Pro Bowl QB."

I'm not arguing that Orton's near identical 2009 numbers warranted PB consideration.....Simply that calling Cutler a "PB QB" because he back-door'd his way into one is lame.

Here are the raw numbers:
(Save the "The game is more than stats!" argument b/c I'm not interested)

Jay Cutler 2008 with the Broncos:

QBR: 86.8
Y/C: 11.8
Y/A: 7.3
%: 62,3
TD: 25
INT: 18
Team record: 8-8

Kyle Orton 2009 with the Broncos:

QBR: 86.0
Y/C: 11.3
Y/A: 7.0
%: 62.1
TD: 21
INT: 12
Team record: 8-8

Jay had 75 more attempts.....If you give Orton those 75 attempts he most likely gets another 525 yards (75*62%*11.3 Y/C).

baja
04-04-2010, 10:49 PM
This move just put them in line to about 10 wins. I already thought they would finish 2nd in the division and challenge for a playoff spot based on Shanahan alone.

Now he's going to get a pro bowl/playoff QB, who knows the division, will have a tremendous running game and a young attacking defense. Cowboys just cut their starting LT, and starting safety. Redskins are making headway to the top of the division already.

Hard not to admire Shanahan. The haters will tell you different but he's switching things up like a rubixcube, always thinking outside the box. He knows he's really close with this team. They are going to wrap up Okung in round 1, have a future LT in place and probably draft a QB of the future next year. There isn't any unbeatable teams in the NFC. That includes the Saints. I like Mike's chances and would not bet against him.


How is picking up McNabb, "thinking outside the box"? That is a no brainer to grab McNabb if Philly is dumb enough to trade him to Washington..

HAT
04-04-2010, 10:49 PM
He's going to win a few more super bowls before it's all said and done. .

A "few" may be reaching but he will definately hoist another one. As will Denver. They just weren't ever going to get back their together.

SoCalBronco
04-04-2010, 10:50 PM
Love that stat. Shanahan, music to my ears. He's going to win a few more super bowls before it's all said and done. He'll also moonwalk into Canton.

GOOD LUCK COACH SHANAHAN! Win big buddy. You still have a lot fans here in Denver rooting for your success.

:thumbsup:

ZONA
04-04-2010, 10:57 PM
I think Mike knew there was no way in hell he was going to get a shot at picking Bradford and this must mean he really doesn't like Claussen all that much.

bpc
04-04-2010, 10:58 PM
How is picking up McNabb, "thinking outside the box"? That is a no brainer to grab McNabb if Philly is dumb enough to trade him to Washington..

Historically speaking, Shanahan always tries new things up in the offseason and switches things up. I think that's one of the reasons why his winning percentage was so good in Denver.

I mean look at all the moves he's made over the years. You can highlight things like the Clinton Portis/Champ Bailey trade. That was huge. The Javon Walker trade was huge. Hell, you can even go the Cleveland Browns trades and say those were huge with Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, and E. Ekuban. They landed us a crew which took us the AFCCG in 05'. Signing Jake Plummer, a perennial loser and turnover machine which got us into the playoffs three years running. The Jay Cutler trade was on it's way to being vastly successful as well.

Shanahan is always trying something new. That's why he always wins. He thinks outside the box, he's proactive and he has a great gameplan.

He's gonna win big in Washington. No doubt in my mind.

bpc
04-04-2010, 11:00 PM
How is picking up McNabb, "thinking outside the box"? That is a no brainer to grab McNabb if Philly is dumb enough to trade him to Washington..

BTW, how often do you see trades in the division. Shanahan is open to dealing with anybody... even the Raiders when he was in Denver. I'm sure Mike approached Philly and made the deal happen.

Big win for Washington today.

Hulamau
04-04-2010, 11:01 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious around here if Shanny were to win a Super Bowl in his first year at Washington.

Dont know if hilarious is the right word :-), but lets see how this one pans out. Shanny obviously is taking a gamble. At least we know hes got to take a LT at #1 spot now. Their line sucked big balls last couple years, something McNabb isnt so used to.

Also, their WRs are pretty lame over all as well and their RBs are on the aging side of the mountain and fading fast. Its an interesting move, no doubt, and we'll see how good McNabb really is with a lot weaker team behind him?

One thing is for sure, Philly sure is confident in Kolb, and maybe they are right!? Maybe too they are willing to risk letting the Skins have a decent but aging QB the last couple years of his career in order to prevent them from reloading with a possible franchise QB this year for the long term with either Bradford or Clausen?

Can imagine their gamble is that by the time the Skins rebuild their whole O-line around McNabb to become a serious threat to them Eagles, McNAbb will be in his rocking chair. But with McNabb they should be good enough to make sure the Skins dont get close to the 4th pick again anytime too soon?

I imagine some such calculus went into the risky move to trade to a division rival.

NFLBRONCO
04-04-2010, 11:01 PM
Historically speaking, Shanahan always tries new things up in the offseason and switches things up. I think that's one of the reasons why his winning percentage was so good in Denver.

I mean look at all the moves he's made over the years. You can highlight things like the Clinton Portis/Champ Bailey trade. That was huge. The Javon Walker trade was huge. Hell, you can even go the Cleveland Browns trades and say those were huge with Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, and E. Ekuban. They landed us a crew which took us the AFCCG in 05'. Signing Jake Plummer, a perennial loser and turnover machine which got us into the playoffs three years running. The Jay Cutler trade was on it's way to being vastly successful as well.

Shanahan is always trying something new. That's why he always wins. He thinks outside the box, he's proactive and he has a great gameplan.

He's gonna win big in Washington. No doubt in my mind.


I agree the only hitch imo is EGO's if Dan and Mike can get past it they will do great if not divorce.

bpc
04-04-2010, 11:02 PM
A "few" may be reaching but he will definately hoist another one. As will Denver. They just weren't ever going to get back their together.

He'll win at least two. That's my prediction.

The best part about this will be watching the haters twist in the wind. It will put a very big smile on my face when this is sticks in their craw.

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 11:02 PM
BTW, how often do you see trades in the division. Shanahan is open to dealing with anybody... even the Raiders when he was in Denver. I'm sure Mike approached Philly and made the deal happen.

Big win for Washington today.

Now Shanny just has to win more than 8 games. Maybe, if he doesn't completely screw up the defense, they'll get into the playoffs. Maybe.

bpc
04-04-2010, 11:03 PM
I agree the only hitch imo is EGO's if Dan and Mike can get past it they will do great if not divorce.

Could happen. I think Mike's diplomatic enough to back Snyder down. Especially if he's winning. If the Redskins are winning, Snyder won't say ****. He's a fanboy of Washington like you or I am to the Broncos. Once they experience success, he'll stay far out of the way and sign where he needs to.

baja
04-04-2010, 11:05 PM
I think he is going to be a winner in Washington too IF Snyder will let him, If Allen is really the GM there (I think he is) than they got Shanny the coach without the baggage of Shanny the GM. They're gonna do great.

strafen
04-04-2010, 11:05 PM
Not only that....Cutler got to the Pro Bowl in 2008 via virtually the same numbers Orton had for Denver in 2009. :wiggle:Orton flat out sucks. Realize that. He sucks!

bpc
04-04-2010, 11:06 PM
Now Shanny just has to win more than 8 games. Maybe, if he doesn't completely screw up the defense, they'll get into the playoffs. Maybe.

People give mike **** but even after his most unsuccessful time in Denver that haters like to point out, 99'-08', he was still winning at a 60% clip. Factor in the late 90's and it's much higher.

I have no doubt Mike will win early and often.

I don't agree with turning to a 3-4 but he's got a professional in Haslet calling the shots who coached the Steelers during the mid-late 90's when they were running pretty well with us, I imagine they will be fine.

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 11:11 PM
People give mike **** but even after his most unsuccessful time in Denver that haters like to point out, 99'-08', he was still winning at a 60% clip. Factor in the late 90's and it's much higher.

I have no doubt Mike will win early and often.

I don't agree with turning to a 3-4 but he's got a professional in Haslet calling the shots who coached the Steelers during the mid-late 90's when they were running pretty well with us, I imagine they will be fine.

McNabbahan? ShanaMcNabb? ShanMcNabahan? Which do you prefer?

Tombstone RJ
04-04-2010, 11:19 PM
ShanaMcNabbahan?!?

bpc
04-04-2010, 11:28 PM
McNabbahan? ShanaMcNabb? ShanMcNabahan? Which do you prefer?

Anyone will do. All will win. Bank it.

I wish Shanahan was a racehorse. I'd win 60-70% of the time.

hambone13
04-04-2010, 11:40 PM
That's what Adam has just twittered.

On the rare occasion I call a "Popps original idea" into play, that I completely agree with, I'm just glad that McNabb isn't in Oakland because that guy is a football player who would absolutely make our divisional life (by going to Oakand), hell on earth. Thanks Shanny and good luck.

BTW, I'm a huge McNaB fan as an individual football player. He rates the greatest compliment ever IMO..."He's a football player". Thanks for your heart Dono. As a football fan, you are one of the ones that made it worth all the time I've spent watching. It's been a mutual pleasure.

IHaveALight
04-04-2010, 11:47 PM
Anyone will do. All will win. Bank it.

I wish Shanahan was a racehorse. I'd win 60-70% of the time.

First off I like Shanahan, but having said that I must point out that over the past 4 years you would be 50 - 50. And you're totally ignoring the fact that odds play a role.

outdoor_miner
04-04-2010, 11:47 PM
Wow - great move by Shanahan, and just a stupid one by Philly. Kolb better be everything and a bag of chips. McNabb certainly isn't the best qb in the game, but he's a winner. If Philly doesn't make the playoffs this year, heads will friggin roll. Wow.

bpc
04-04-2010, 11:59 PM
First off I like Shanahan, but having said that I must point out that over the past 4 years you would be 50 - 50. And you're totally ignoring the fact that odds play a role.

Two things, it was a rebuilding situation in Denver, even though nobody likes to call it that and also, 8-8 is about as bad as Shanahan will ever do... even in a rebuilding year!

Crazy. The guy is an automatic winner. Dress it up however you want but his records indicate that.

HAT
04-05-2010, 12:03 AM
Anyone will do. All will win. Bank it.

I wish Shanahan was a racehorse. I'd win 60-70% of the time.



It doesn't really matter if you are betting & winning on an aging but serviceable horse that has a pretty good record in $10,000 claiming races. If that horse rarely qualifies for a stakes race and finished middle of the pack for 3 straight years than what's the point in keeping him in your barn?
You ship him off to the glue factory.

:deadhorse

If some rich dad (Snyder) wants to buy him as an attraction for his barn, well, good for him.

"Step right up folks, come see the thoroughbred that won the Kentucky Derby a mere 11 years ago...step right up"

Archer81
04-05-2010, 12:04 AM
Two things, it was a rebuilding situation in Denver, even though nobody likes to call it that and also, 8-8 is about as bad as Shanahan will ever do... even in a rebuilding year!

Crazy. The guy is an automatic winner. Dress it up however you want but his records indicate that.


6-10 coming off of a championship season. You could cut the Shanahan era in Denver in two halves. From 1995-1998, Shanahan had 12, 13 and 14 win seasons. From 1999 to 2008, Denver went through 6-10 and 7-9 years. And ended up .500 way too often. One AFC title game appearance the last 10 years is hard to swallow for a team that averaged at least 2 superbowl appearances a decade since the 1970s.

:Broncos:

HAT
04-05-2010, 12:07 AM
First off I like Shanahan, but having said that I must point out that over the past 4 years you would be 50 - 50. And you're totally ignoring the fact that odds play a role.

I didn't feel like explaining that to him. For that to be a remotely valid analogy, one would need to tally the ledger using the closing money line on Denver games he coached.

Pretty safe to say that that number would be red.

bpc
04-05-2010, 12:15 AM
6-10 coming off of a championship season. You could cut the Shanahan era in Denver in two halves. From 1995-1998, Shanahan had 12, 13 and 14 win seasons. From 1999 to 2008, Denver went through 6-10 and 7-9 years. And ended up .500 way too often. One AFC title game appearance the last 10 years is hard to swallow for a team that averaged at least 2 superbowl appearances a decade since the 1970s.

:Broncos:

Losing his franchise QB and HB. Look to see how Buffalo, Miami, Dallas, and SF faired after losing franchise QB's and get back to me.

Denver won at a 60% clip during the latter years you mention. While going to the playoffs 4 out of those 6 years and challenging all but once in 07'.

Shanahan also had to make wine out of water at QB with Brian Griese and Jake Plummer. Not a bad record if you ask me. During the playoff losses over that period, they also beat the Ravens with a backup QB, the team that went on to win the super bowl. Denver lost to the Steelers in 05' and lets be honest, nobody was going to stop them once they got hot.

Peyton Manning > Jake Plummer. He's literally 8 times the QB Jake the snake was which is why we got slaughtered both times we played them.

MIke Shanahan will win often in Washington. I stick by my original prediction. Hater's gon hate though. I know how it goes.

strafen
04-05-2010, 12:30 AM
losing his franchise qb and hb. Look to see how buffalo, miami, dallas, and sf faired after losing franchise qb's and get back to me.

Denver won at a 60% clip during the latter years you mention. While going to the playoffs 4 out of those 6 years and challenging all but once in 07'.

Shanahan also had to make wine out of water at qb with brian griese and jake plummer. Not a bad record if you ask me. During the playoff losses over that period, they also beat the ravens with a backup qb, the team that went on to win the super bowl. Denver lost to the steelers in 05' and lets be honest, nobody was going to stop them once they got hot.

Peyton manning > jake plummer. He's literally 8 times the qb jake the snake was which is why we got slaughtered both times we played them.

Mike shanahan will win often in washington. I stick by my original prediction. Hater's gon hate though. I know how it goes.+1

Archer81
04-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Losing his franchise QB and HB. Look to see how Buffalo, Miami, Dallas, and SF faired after losing franchise QB's and get back to me.

Denver won at a 60% clip during the latter years you mention. While going to the playoffs 4 out of those 6 years and challenging all but once in 07'.

Shanahan also had to make wine out of water at QB with Brian Griese and Jake Plummer. Not a bad record if you ask me. During the playoff losses over that period, they also beat the Ravens with a backup QB, the team that went on to win the super bowl. Denver lost to the Steelers in 05' and lets be honest, nobody was going to stop them once they got hot.

Peyton Manning > Jake Plummer. He's literally 8 times the QB Jake the snake was which is why we got slaughtered both times we played them.

MIke Shanahan will win often in Washington. I stick by my original prediction. Hater's gon hate though. I know how it goes.


I get the impulse to paint the Shanahan era with roses and sunshine, but the reality is Denver has done nothing in the postseason since January, 1999. Denver had 7 or more loss seasons 5 of the last 8 years Shanahan was coach. We changed defensive philosophies yearly, depending on what team won the SB the previous season. We did not draft well. We did not adequately replace retiring and FA losses on defense, and we all thought fill ins like Webster, Manuel and Lennie Walls were viable NFL starters. We lost the homefield advantage playing at a mile high should give us. Denver has fallen off. A culture of country club set in at Dove Valley.

I wish Mike well in Washington. But if Mike repeats his success in DC that he had in Denver, he should quit after year 5.

:Broncos:

HAT
04-05-2010, 12:41 AM
The guy is an automatic winner. Dress it up however you want but his records indicate that.

I don't have the ML numbers handy but here are the ATS numbers...


Year......ATS...Rank
2008: 4-11-1 (31st)
2007: 5-11 (29th)
2006: 5-11 (32nd)
2005:11-4-1 (1st)
2004: 6-7-3 (18th)
2003: 8-8 (15th)
2002: 7-8-1 (21st)
2001: 7-9 (22nd)
2000: 9-7 (8th)
1999: 9-5-2 (9th)
1998: 9-7 (8th)
1997: 9-7 (7th)

Now I'm sure you'll argue "who gives a sh!t about all that...Mike's a Winner!"

But the fact is that point spreads are pereception & you can actually read alot into ATS trends.

In a perfect world....all teams would go 8-8. From SB winner to the 0-16 Lions. Minor variations can be attributed to luck, bad calls, in game injury, etc.

The last 4 years tell the story. Denver way out performed public & professional opinion in 2005 and it showed on the field. AFCCG.

Denver severely under achieved for THREE years in a row. Do you know how hard it is to go 14-33-1 ATS over three years?

I'll tell you how hard....That coincides with the Cutler years and no QB EVER has a worse ATS record in his first 3 years.

You can laugh at all of the "haters" all you want when and if he wins. It wasn't happening HERE. Check that...Maybe it could've happened here in 2010 if Shanny fired himself as GM, fired Slowik & the majority of his staff, bench/cut/trade Cutler, trade for McNabb, have the 5th pick in the draft (well, that would have happened had he been here in 2009), etc.

Shanahan was a great coach but he was DONE here. If you can't see that then there is no helping you.

KCStud
04-05-2010, 01:02 AM
Good move for Ratty. McNabb is perfect for all the bootlegs and pass plays he runs. If the Skins get Okung they could be a playoff team this season.

Love this move. Now Clausen will fall to KC and we will have a trading partner!

SoCalBronco
04-05-2010, 01:02 AM
Denver severely under achieved for THREE years in a row.

No, they did not. Denver was 5th best in the NFL in dollars spent per win ratio during that period. While the coaching staff undoubtedly made its mistakes on both gameday and in talent evaluation, the fact that they ranked so high in dollars to wins despite a .500 record suggests that a substantial portion of your ire should be directed elsewhere.

Bronco Yoda
04-05-2010, 01:04 AM
I can't believe they traded him within the division. Wow. That's a powerful move by Shanahan. Unbelievable!

DBroncos4life
04-05-2010, 01:15 AM
Donovan McNabb(notes) stood his ground against the Philadelphia Eagles for the second straight year. Now, the question is whether he’ll get his revenge.

After being told last month that the Eagles would not deal him to NFC East-rival Washington, McNabb essentially forced Philadelphia’s hand by refusing to talk with any of the other teams that had expressed interest in recent weeks. In the process, McNabb can now take out his simmering anger on the Eagles’ front office that essentially forced him out of a city where he had played his entire career.

“Frankly, I’m a little shocked,” a source close to McNabb said. “I never thought [the Eagles would] do this. Never. But, yeah, this is the same thing that happened last year.”


That’s a reference to when McNabb leveraged the Eagles to give him a “financial apology” after he had been benched in Week 12 of the 2008 season during a blowout loss to Baltimore. This time, McNabb won a stare-down with Eagles president Joe Banner and right-hand man Howie Roseman.

A stare-down that could come back to haunt the Eagles if they’re not right about new starter Kevin Kolb(notes), who is going into his fourth season but remains largely untested. If Kolb fails and McNabb, who is going to play in a similar system under strong offensive head coach Mike Shanahan, makes the Redskins a consistent contender over the next three to four years, the results could undermine what has been one of the league’s most consistent front offices.

McNabb, who is in the final year of his deal, made this happen by making it clear he wasn’t going anywhere else but Washington. When the Buffalo Bills expressed interest – and even were willing to give McNabb a contract extension – he passed on the offer. When the Oakland Raiders sniffed around and showed willingness to trade for the quarterback without an extension, McNabb indicated to the Eagles through his associates that he’d retire.

“He has plenty of money,” the source close to McNabb said. “He’s not doing anything he doesn’t want to do.”

For the past two weeks, the Eagles had hoped McNabb’s resolve would thaw. He refused to budge, even telling the Eagles he’d be glad to return to the team even though he knew full well Philadelphia wanted no part of the season-long distraction his presence would create. What the Eagles wanted more than anything was to clear the way for Kolb to start and, in the process, sign him to a contract extension at a more favorable price. Kolb also quietly has been forcing the issue by making it clear that if he’s not the starter by this season, he wouldn’t sign an extension. Kolb’s contract is set to expire at the end of this season, meaning the Eagles would have had to put a high tender on him after this season to keep him.

While the Eagles may have paved the way for a new Kolb deal, Banner and Roseman could be paving the road for their dismissal if this doesn’t work. This could be a tipping point in determining who really runs the Eagles. Coach Andy Reid called the shots on the roster, until most recently, when that power increasingly shifted to Banner, a clever contract negotiator who has become expert in locking up players to long-term deals and keeping the Eagles competitive.
Banner

The problem is that Banner’s semi-Moneyball techniques haven’t produced a championship. Neither has McNabb, but he has gotten the Eagles to five NFC championship games and one Super Bowl. Was that success more McNabb or Banner?

Reid believed it was McNabb and had voiced his desire for the Eagles to keep him, even if it cost them Kolb. “Andy thinks Kolb is going to be really good, maybe great. But he knows Donovan is great and probably will be for three or four years,” said a source close to Reid.

Now teamed with Shanahan, a brilliant playcaller, McNabb could exact some serious payback from the Eagles. It would be sweet justice for McNabb, who never has felt respected in Philadelphia.

“Not from Day 1,” the source close to the quarterback said, referring to when Eagles fans booed when McNabb was selected instead of Ricky Williams(notes) in 1998. “Never, and after a while you get tired of it. He’s put up with this for his whole career. They never gave him real weapons until now with those guys [wide receivers Jeremy Maclin(notes) and DeSean Jackson(notes)]. He took them to how many title games with a bunch of stiffs at [wide] receiver?”

McNabb did have Terrell Owens(notes) in 2004, but that turned into a well-documented disaster the following season.

While the Redskins don’t feature a bunch of stars at wide receiver or running back and are rebuilding their offensive line, they have the No. 4 overall draft pick. They also have Shanahan.

Not a bad situation if you’re McNabb.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-mcnabbtrade040410

Bob's your Information Minister
04-05-2010, 01:28 AM
Wouldn't it be awesome if the Chiefs got Clausen now?

DBroncos4life
04-05-2010, 01:31 AM
Wouldn't it be awesome if the Chiefs got Clausen now?

Yes it would. You guys need more money tied up in the QB position not a top LT talent or possibly Eric Berry.

Florida_Bronco
04-05-2010, 01:38 AM
No, they did not. Denver was 5th best in the NFL in dollars spent per win ratio during that period. While the coaching staff undoubtedly made its mistakes on both gameday and in talent evaluation, the fact that they ranked so high in dollars to wins despite a .500 record suggests that a substantial portion of your ire should be directed elsewhere.

That's all well and good but last time I checked that didn't get you a Super Bowl trophy.

Bronco CB40
04-05-2010, 01:43 AM
Clausen's 16-20 collegiate record would fall right in line with the Queefs' 40 year tradition of failure.

KCStud
04-05-2010, 02:02 AM
Clausen's 16-20 collegiate record would fall right in line with the Queefs' 40 year tradition of failure.

Like the Broncos are the cream of the crop. :rofl:

Elway retired a long time ago my friend

FireFly
04-05-2010, 02:06 AM
One of the things I admire about Shanahan is that he is a risk taker. He doesn't sit on his hands. There's never a rebuilding year with him. He's always trying to take a shot to win it all. What a heist to steal a future Hall of Fame QB from Washington's division rival.

HoF QB?

Really?

Gotta say, I'd disagree with this fairly strongly

extralife
04-05-2010, 02:48 AM
I wonder if McNabb is going to be able to run those boots and moving pockets that Shanny is likely going to want to implement in Washington. Five years ago, McNabb was the perfect QB for that kind of system; surgery after surgery would seem to have taken that out of him. I'd imagine Shanny will give it a shot in the offseason stuff. From there, if McNabb can't handle it, I'd expect to see more of Jeremy Bates than Gary Kubiak in the Redskin offense. That would be a shame, because McNabb was born to do those kinds of things for Shanahan.

Popps
04-05-2010, 03:02 AM
Nice trade, imo. Shanny gets a QB that will help them win immediately. Too bad we got stuck with Cutler instead of a QB like McNabb.

elsid13
04-05-2010, 03:30 AM
I wonder if McNabb is going to be able to run those boots and moving pockets that Shanny is likely going to want to implement in Washington. Five years ago, McNabb was the perfect QB for that kind of system; surgery after surgery would seem to have taken that out of him. I'd imagine Shanny will give it a shot in the offseason stuff. From there, if McNabb can't handle it, I'd expect to see more of Jeremy Bates than Gary Kubiak in the Redskin offense. That would be a shame, because McNabb was born to do those kinds of things for Shanahan.

Since Kyle Shanahan is calling the plays I expect the classic Denver system with a few twists. Lots more power blocking and dives/traps then what we were used to using. Still running the ball and PA will be the key plays for Washington.

Traveler
04-05-2010, 04:11 AM
Shanahan can't be trusted. He's liar. Some of first words were he was looking forward to working with Jason Campbell.

Believe what you see, not what you hear from this rat face ba***rd.


{sarcasm}

cutthemdown
04-05-2010, 05:04 AM
My brother is a huge Raider fan. He was sure Oaktown was getting him. He's not too bummed though because after losing for so long real Raider fans like him are sort of numb.

Bob's your Information Minister
04-05-2010, 05:10 AM
Yes it would. You guys need more money tied up in the QB position.

money is irrelevant

Bronco Rob
04-05-2010, 05:21 AM
Clausen's 16-20 collegiate record would fall right in line with the Queefs' 40 year tradition of failure.


Not to mention the chefs are paying Castle 15 MILLION this season!





Hilarious!

TonyR
04-05-2010, 07:12 AM
And? It bought them time with a pro bowl QB, who knows and has won the division many times. It also gives them some time to find a QBOTF.

Homer post. We all know you hate Shanahan. This is just pathetic though.

I loved Shanahan and I'll be rooting for the Redskins because I live in the Philly media market and hate the Eagles. But I think you're getting a little bit carried away. The Redskins were 4-12 last year. Their O-line is a mess, they have 3 washed up RB's, and nothing special at WR. McNabb is a great QB when he's on and things are going right but he's also a little bit flaky. Despite his mobility, which isn't remotely what it used to be, he needs to be protected and he needs talent around him. He's not a natural leader and he doesn't have a great track record for coming up big in big games. So while I agree that the Shanahan/McNabb additions will dramatically improve the team I'm not willing to call them a playoff contender yet, particularly since it looks like things could get messy with Albert Haynesworth...

gunns
04-05-2010, 07:18 AM
Losing his franchise QB and HB. Look to see how Buffalo, Miami, Dallas, and SF faired after losing franchise QB's and get back to me.



All of those teams also got rid of the coaches that took them to the SB soon after losing their franchise QB's and RB's or even before. One even still had their franchise QB and RB but still couldn't even reach .500. It's an excuse, that's it. Over the 10 years he averaged 9 wins, average being the operative word. Shanahan probably will have success in Washington. His biggest problem here in Denver was the panic he developed trying to show he could win without Elway. He made some horrible decisions. His time was just up here in Denver. I thank him for the SB victories, much like I thanked Reeves for the SB's, but it was time for everyone to move on. It had gotten stale.

Like the Broncos are the cream of the crop.

Elway retired a long time ago my friend

LOL We're talking about 10 years here, 4 playoff appearances and one playoff win since our SBs. Nobody said that was the cream of the crop. But when compared to the toilet bowl of 40 years, 11 playoff appearances and only 3 playoff wins, it's cream of the crop in comparison. Hell even Cincinnati and Arizona have made it to the SB in that time period.

Oh yeah, Len Dawson retired a long, long time ago.

Dedhed
04-05-2010, 07:31 AM
Shanahan's QBs now include John Elway, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Donovan McNabb and Jay Cutler.

"One of these things is doing his own thing, one of these things is not the same"

gunns
04-05-2010, 07:37 AM
Raiders | McNabb would have chosen retirement instead of Oakland
Comment (1)
Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:45:11 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo! Sports, reports when the Oakland Raiders were showing an interest in QB Donovan McNabb, McNabb indicated to the Philadelphia Eagles through his associates that he would retire instead of going to Oakland. "He has plenty of money," a source close to McNabb said. "He's not doing anything he doesn't want to do."



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0kEU4l32s

LOL

barryr
04-05-2010, 07:42 AM
No question the Skins are bringing in people that have names, but will they stay healthy and produce? We'll see. But their OL is not in very good shape, so won't matter who the QB or RB happens to be until that gets fixed.

Dedhed
04-05-2010, 07:43 AM
Hard not to admire Shanahan. The haters will tell you different but he's switching things up like a rubixcube, always thinking outside the box.

I love, yet again, how you laud Shanahan and attempt to destroy McD for the same things. It's funny to watch.

ChSuperStar
04-05-2010, 07:45 AM
Im crazy for suggesting WR at 4, but its ok to suggest a safety?

...

Crazier things have happened...its not like Shanahan has never taken a WR instead of a safety before...


:Broncos:

If you could not sense it... Safety was said as sarcasam. Oline is where i think he will go, but i can see him trading down and picking a 2nd that he gave up for McNabb from else where and still getting a quality Online person from this draft.

DrFate
04-05-2010, 07:46 AM
It's a good move but IMO their ceiling is still only 8-9 wins max in 2010.

What's the celing in Denver? From where I sit, about the same...

Dedhed
04-05-2010, 07:57 AM
money is irrelevant

Talent is not. I would love for the Chiefs to take Clausen. Would absolutely love it.

barryr
04-05-2010, 08:09 AM
I love, yet again, how you laud Shanahan and attempt to destroy McD for the same things. It's funny to watch.

True, McDaniels got criticized for getting rid of players from a team that hadn't made the playoffs in 3 years and was just getting "his kind of players." So why is that bad for him, but ok for Shanahan with the Skins who obviously will do the same thing? The McDaniel bashers-Cutler-Shanahan fans can't have it both ways.

WolfpackGuy
04-05-2010, 08:14 AM
What's the celing in Denver? From where I sit, about the same...

Orton will take the Broncos to the promised land.

If he stays healthy, if he improves within the system, if the line improves, if every play goes exactly as designed...

Basically, a lot of IFS have to be fulfilled...

Play2win
04-05-2010, 08:22 AM
Good for Shanny, I wish the best for him. It will make for an interesting season. I will be rooting for him, funny, just a few years ago I was rooting for Washington to loose every single game so Shanny would have a great pick in the draft.

Its just that McD has a different philosophy, and one that should pay big dividends, if everyone could have a little patience. :)

Beantown Bronco
04-05-2010, 08:24 AM
Orton will take the Broncos to the promised land.

If he stays healthy, if he improves within the system, if the line improves, if every play goes exactly as designed...

Basically, a lot of IFS have to be fulfilled...

One could say basically the same thing about 31 other teams in the NFL. Minus the last part, which is either exaggeration or biased fiction.

TonyR
04-05-2010, 08:31 AM
I love, yet again, how you laud Shanahan and attempt to destroy McD for the same things. It's funny to watch.

It is. It's also funny that many of these hypocrites probably would have bashed McD for making a similar trade. "How can you give up a high 2nd round pick in a deep draft, plus a 3rd or 4th next year, for a 33+ year old QB!!!"

colonelbeef
04-05-2010, 08:34 AM
Now for the question that will always be asked for as long as Shanny is in Washington.
Wonder if that is a Shanny move or a Snyder move?

100% Shanahan move, he is obviously in control of the personnel. You think Snyder was in any position to demand things in front of a 2x Super bowl champion HOF caliber coach, after all of the failure he has endured?

colonelbeef
04-05-2010, 08:36 AM
It is. It's also funny that many of these hypocrites probably would have bashed McD for making a similar trade. "How can you give up a high 2nd round pick in a deep draft, plus a 3rd or 4th next year, for a 33+ year old QB!!!"

I would have made this trade in a second, regarding the Broncos... total no brainer as far as I am concerned. He still has 5 good years left, and will help them compete offensively right away, while allowing time for the development of the next QB in the background.

They will turn Campbell into a 2nd or 3rd to recoup the pic likely.

bowtown
04-05-2010, 08:39 AM
100% Shanahan move, he is obviously in control of the personnel. You think Snyder was in any position to demand things in front of a 2x Super bowl champion HOF caliber coach, after all of the failure he has endured?

Well considering he is the owner of the team and is the one who actually pays the 2x Superbowl coach, then I'd say he's in a perfect position to demand whatever the hell he wants.

WolfpackGuy
04-05-2010, 08:40 AM
We've already seen the trades the current front office makes.

Please, no more!

azbroncfan
04-05-2010, 08:54 AM
lol. you could have just looked it up yourself and spared yourself the embarrassment. but here we go.

over/under refers to a number. hence, you can either bet on something being "over" a given number or "under" that number. for example, the total points scored in a football game. you can't have an over/under bet on whether or not the redskins are going to draft dez bryant. what exactly would over or under mean in this scenario?

next time, just admit you don't know what something means so you don't look so foolish.

Next time you should post your fake 2000 dollar wagering ticket that you were claiming mr pro gambler. Or next time you might actually do the math so it adds up correctly before posting a bold faced lie.

That One Guy
04-05-2010, 09:21 AM
Next time you should post your fake 2000 dollar wagering ticket that you were claiming mr pro gambler. Or next time you might actually do the math so it adds up correctly before posting a bold faced lie.

Haha... that was him, wasn't it. Truly an all time great caught red handed moment.

BroncoInferno
04-05-2010, 09:22 AM
They will turn Campbell into a 2nd or 3rd to recoup the pic likely.

No one is giving them that much for Campell. If they opt to trade him, they'll get something like a 5th if they're lucky.

strafen
04-05-2010, 09:25 AM
Next time you should post your fake 2000 dollar wagering ticket that you were claiming mr pro gambler. Or next time you might actually do the math so it adds up correctly before posting a bold faced lie.That guy is a tool. He's worst than that guy dragster I know ROFL!

BroncoInferno
04-05-2010, 09:28 AM
Losing his franchise QB and HB. Look to see how Buffalo, Miami, Dallas, and SF faired after losing franchise QB's and get back to me.

Denver won at a 60% clip during the latter years you mention. While going to the playoffs 4 out of those 6 years and challenging all but once in 07'.

Shanahan also had to make wine out of water at QB with Brian Griese and Jake Plummer. Not a bad record if you ask me. During the playoff losses over that period, they also beat the Ravens with a backup QB, the team that went on to win the super bowl. Denver lost to the Steelers in 05' and lets be honest, nobody was going to stop them once they got hot.

Peyton Manning > Jake Plummer. He's literally 8 times the QB Jake the snake was which is why we got slaughtered both times we played them.

MIke Shanahan will win often in Washington. I stick by my original prediction. Hater's gon hate though. I know how it goes.

I have no beef at all with Shanny the coach. You are right...Griese and Plummer were far better QBs with Shanny than they ever were with anyone else. Your boy Cutler was as good as he'll ever be under Shanny, too. And he usually got the most out of his talent.

My issue was with Shanny the GM, who hampered Shanny the coach with putrid defensive talent his final three years, who refused to make any long-term serious investments in the DL other than retreads or guys who were washed up, who was planning to bring back a guy in Slowik who had a poor track record as a DC and who had just overseen one of the worst defenses I've ever seen, whose drafts were generally poor (though they had gotten better in terms of mining offensive talent with the Goodmans--the defense was still suffering).

It's a good move to get McNabb, but let's see what Shanny the GM does to fix up their terrible OL and mediocre WR corps. McNabb can't do it alone.

strafen
04-05-2010, 09:31 AM
We don't have to worry about Washington. We have Josh McDaniels!!!!!

sixtimeseight
04-05-2010, 09:50 AM
Haha... that was him, wasn't it. Truly an all time great caught red handed moment.

First of all, please don't quote him, I have him on ignore. Second of all, caught red-handed? What the **** are you talking about? Because azmoron was too stupid to understand how odds work and accused me of forging a gambling ticket?

How about this, I'll be you any amount of money that ticket was real, and I will prove it with screencaps. $5k sound good?

ColoradoDarin
04-05-2010, 10:01 AM
No one is giving them that much for Campell. If they opt to trade him, they'll get something like a 5th if they're lucky.

If Shanahan gets a 5th for Campbell, I'll be surprised. We got Quinn for a 5th equivalent, and I don't think there are many people in the league willing to give up anything for Jason Campbell....

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 10:01 AM
First of all, please don't quote him, I have him on ignore. Second of all, caught red-handed? What the **** are you talking about? Because azmoron was too stupid to understand how odds work and accused me of forging a gambling ticket?

How about this, I'll be you any amount of money that ticket was real, and I will prove it with screencaps. $5k sound good?

IF you have ****ing screencaps, post them and shut azbroncofan up. No one is betting 5k on a message board and you know it.

sixtimeseight
04-05-2010, 10:04 AM
I don't need to shut him up, I have him on ignore. And I don't need to prove anything to anybody, if someone wants to put some money where their fat mouth is, I would be happy to oblige them, otherwise I don't give a **** whether or not people believe me.

If anyone is serious about the bet, I'd do it for less, maybe $1k. Any takers?

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 10:09 AM
I don't need to shut him up, I have him on ignore. And I don't need to prove anything to anybody, if someone wants to put some money where their fat mouth is, I would be happy to oblige them, otherwise I don't give a **** whether or not people believe me.

If anyone is serious about the bet, I'd do it for less, maybe $1k. Any takers?

I'll do it for a billion dollars.

sixtimeseight
04-05-2010, 10:14 AM
Didn't think so.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 10:17 AM
I'll just keep quoting him till you have to put me on ignore too since you are too much of a pussy to posts some screen grabs that you have sitting on your computer. I don't care who's right, just want it done with.

And REALLY? Your internet hard man act was to post a bet for a thousand dollars on an internet message board and wait 10 minutes to decide there was no takers! Oh my lord...

TheReverend
04-05-2010, 10:21 AM
No one cares, guys. Back to topic.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 10:24 AM
YEs, lets start debating Shanny and McDaniels for the billionth time. **** up rev.

Popps
04-05-2010, 10:29 AM
I'll just keep quoting him till you have to put me on ignore too since you are too much of a p***Y to posts some screen grabs that you have sitting on your computer. I don't care who's right, just want it done with.

And REALLY? Your internet hard man act was to post a bet for a thousand dollars on an internet message board and wait 10 minutes to decide there was no takers! Oh my lord...

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/internet-24591.jpg

TheReverend
04-05-2010, 10:30 AM
YEs, lets start debating Shanny and McDaniels for the billionth time. **** up rev.

Or we could just get back on topic of the biggest story in the NFL this off-season you euro trash pile of ****.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 10:32 AM
That was too easy.

broncofan2438
04-05-2010, 10:35 AM
Wonder how the Eagles fans are taking this???

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 10:42 AM
Wonder how the Eagles fans are taking this???

I checked a couple of message boards yesterday on how the Skins fans were taking it, they were 57% in favor of the move on Extreme Skins. I was surprised it wasn't higher. I have a feeling Philly fans were more upset at losing Dawkins than McNabb, a lot of them were wanting Kolb to start.

TonyR
04-05-2010, 10:52 AM
Wonder how the Eagles fans are taking this???

They're surprised that he got dealt within the division. I think there's some concern. And they're trying to convince themselves on Kolb.

Funny, most the the Skins fans I know are surprisingly negative about it. Mostly because they hate McNabb because he plays for a rival. But they'll warm up to it.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 11:04 AM
They're surprised that he got dealt within the division. I think there's some concern. And they're trying to convince themselves on Kolb.

Funny, most the the Skins fans I know are surprisingly negative about it. Mostly because they hate McNabb because he plays for a rival. But they'll warm up to it.

I found that on Extreme Skins in the immediate aftermath as well.

"I've now got to love a guy who I've hated for 10 years!"

outdoor_miner
04-05-2010, 11:11 AM
Can you guys imagine how this board would react if McD did this?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Reporter-broke-news-of-trade-to-Jason-Campbell.html

Jason Campbell didn’t get the same treatment from the Washington Redskins. Not that he was owed updates of any type as the situation played out. But the least the team could have done was break the news to him. Instead, that job was left to John Keim of the Washington Examiner, a reporter who has been covering the franchise about as long as anyone at Redskins Park. Keim replayed the phone conversation (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Campbell-wasnt-told-of-trade-89888252.html) with the recent ex-quarterback of the Redskins. Again, this was after the deal was made public.
Keim: Did you hear about what happened?
JC: What?
Keim: The Redskins traded for Donovan.
JC: Really? Ummm... I didn't know that, man.
Keim: I'm sorry I had to be the one who told you. I can't believe they didn't tell you.
JC: No, that's the first I heard of it. ... I'd better go call my agent.

chex
04-05-2010, 11:32 AM
Can you guys imagine how this board would react if McD did this?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Reporter-broke-news-of-trade-to-Jason-Campbell.html

Well ain't that a kick in the pants....

If you think for one second that those that wailed over McDaniels' handling of the Cutler situation are going to be consistent with this, I have some oceanfront property in Oklahoma to sell you.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 11:35 AM
well ain't that a kick in the pants....

If you think for one second that those that wailed over mcdaniels' handling of the cutler situation are going to be consistent with this, or anything, i have some oceanfront property in oklahoma to sell you.
:d

Popps
04-05-2010, 11:41 AM
Hopefully this trade will enable some of the fence-sitters to jump ship full-time.

WolfpackGuy
04-05-2010, 11:45 AM
Wonder how the Eagles fans are taking this???

About 50/50 between good riddance and wariness of handing it over to Kevin Kolb.

Tombstone RJ
04-05-2010, 11:48 AM
I bet Vick is stoked. Yah, he's not going to be the starting QB, but if Kolb goes down with an injury...

baja
04-05-2010, 11:55 AM
I don't need to shut him up, I have him on ignore. And I don't need to prove anything to anybody, if someone wants to put some money where their fat mouth is, I would be happy to oblige them, otherwise I don't give a **** whether or not people believe me.

If anyone is serious about the bet, I'd do it for less, maybe $1k. Any takers?

What bet I must have missed it.

DBroncos4life
04-05-2010, 12:09 PM
If Shanahan gets a 5th for Campbell, I'll be surprised. We got Quinn for a 5th equivalent, and I don't think there are many people in the league willing to give up anything for Jason Campbell....

Come on you can't be serious here. I think we got a good deal for Quinn, but Campbell is worth more then Quinn is. Quinn's stats are 1900 yards, 10 TD's and 9 INT's 52.1 completion % vs Campbell's 10860 yards, 55 TD's, 38 INT's, 61.2 completion %. I think you are under-rating Campbell quite a bit.

Br0nc0Buster
04-05-2010, 12:14 PM
Come on you can't be serious here. I think we got a good deal for Quinn, but Campbell is worth more then Quinn is. Quinn's stats are 1900 yards, 10 TD's and 9 INT's 52.1 completion % vs Campbell's 10860 yards, 55 TD's, 38 INT's, 61.2 completion %. I think you are under-rating Campbell quite a bit.

Campell has also started at least 3 times as many games as Quinn

at this point I would lean towards Quinn
He hasnt even started a seasons worth of games, he at least has the potential to be a very good qb
Campbell is 28 years old, I doubt he can improve just a whole bunch

and I dont think Quinn is good either, I think he kind of sucks, but Campbell isnt anything special either

Popps
04-05-2010, 12:23 PM
The other upside of this trade is that I always sort of felt bad rooting against McNabb, as he seemed like a decent guy... but obviously anyone with a soul should root against Philly. Now, no such conflict.