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Bronco Rob
04-02-2010, 04:31 AM
Buckhalter`s advice to Moreno: Pace yourself


Veteran RB shares experience with 2nd-year pro
Associated Press
Posted: 04/01/2010 11:58:17 PM MDT



ENGLEWOOD -- Correll Buckhalter wasn`t hesitant to offer advice to teammate Knowshon Moreno a year ago. That will continue as Moreno prepares himself for his second year as a pro.
"You know, I try to lead by example, but I share a lot of things with Knowshon," Buckhalter said Thursday. "I know Knowshon is going to be a great running back in this league."

The most serious advice he offered revolved around the toll a year of pounding in the NFL takes on a running back, and how Buckhalter has dealt with that over the course of a nine-year career.

"You have to pace yourself and be more balanced at what you do," was Buckhalter`s advice. "After playing a month of preseason, 17 weeks of football, and playoffs if the team gets in at the end -- you know that`s a lot. And you have to remind young players that at some point in the season you kind of hit a wall."

Buckhalter is well aware of such matters. He was hampered by knee injuries early in his career with the Philadelphia Eagles.

"I think I am a little more balanced in my preparation than when I was younger," Buckhalter said. "Just the injuries, after a number of years just kind of begin to take a toll."

Buckhalter also addressed other issues Thursday, like coaching changes. Longtime running backs coach Bobby Turner and offensive line coach Rick Dennison have taken jobs elsewhere.

The changes, Eric Studesville coming from Buffalo to coach the running backs and Clancy Barone moving from tight ends coach to offensive line, left some unanswered questions. Is Buckhalter aware of plans for major changes Josh McDaniels will make in the running game?

"Not that I know of," he said. "You know each year teams will evaluate what they did last year and they tweak some things, but for the most part the running games are the same."

"Coach McDaniels might add a couple of plays here and there, tweak some of the runs that we had in the past, but it`s pretty much the same," he said.





http://www.dailycamera.com/broncos-nfl/ci_14806181#axzz0jwBlaWP6

Popps
04-02-2010, 10:56 AM
I can't wait to watch Moreno run with a year under his belt and hopefully some improved blocking. He and Buck were a great combo when things were working up front.

I also wonder if Arrington or another speed-back will get into the mix in some way.

Great13
04-02-2010, 11:15 AM
I can't wait to watch Moreno run with a year under his belt and hopefully some improved blocking. He and Buck were a great combo when things were working up front.

I also wonder if Arrington or another speed-back will get into the mix in some way.

After that knee surgery I'm interested to see if Arrington has any speed left.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 11:33 AM
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Buckhalter also addressed other issues Thursday, like coaching changes. Longtime running backs coach Bobby Turner and offensive line coach Rick Dennison have taken jobs elsewhere.

The changes, Eric Studesville coming from Buffalo to coach the running backs and Clancy Barone moving from tight ends coach to offensive line, left some unanswered questions. Is Buckhalter aware of plans for major changes Josh McDaniels will make in the running game?

"Not that I know of," he said. "You know each year teams will evaluate what they did last year and they tweak some things, but for the most part the running games are the same."

"Coach McDaniels might add a couple of plays here and there, tweak some of the runs that we had in the past, but it`s pretty much the same," he said.
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So moving from a Zone system to a power trap system is "pretty much the same"?

ant1999e
04-02-2010, 12:07 PM
So moving from a Zone system to a power trap system is "pretty much the same"?

Did they run the zone much last year?

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Did they run the zone much last year?

I saw more power trapping as the year went on but they ran zone plays. Maybe Kupesdad could clarify.

cmhargrove
04-02-2010, 12:49 PM
Buckhalter is a great guy and I love the way he plays, however... I just don't know that I would take all his career advice.

It's probably just bad luck that he's been hurt his entire career, but still.

baja
04-02-2010, 01:12 PM
Imagine if he hadn't paced himself.

Beantown Bronco
04-02-2010, 01:24 PM
Soldier, I've noticed that you're always last.

I'm pacing myself, Sergeant.

Popps
04-02-2010, 02:22 PM
After that knee surgery I'm interested to see if Arrington has any speed left.

Yea, could be the proverbial camp fodder. But, our staff sure wants the guy in a Broncos uniform. They must see something in him that would suit our system. It'll be a fun wild-card type situation to keep an eye on.

TheReverend
04-02-2010, 02:30 PM
Not to be rude because Buck far-and-away exceeded expectations in his role last year, but I think there are people better suited to give Knowshon advice.

Popps
04-02-2010, 02:37 PM
Not to be rude because Buck far-and-away exceeded expectations in his role last year, but I think there are people better suited to give Knowshon advice.

There may be people better suited, but that doesn't mean Buck isn't suited.

He's a multi-year vet who has seen highs and lows, and come back from some pretty serious adversity and retained a place in the league. I'm certain that he's got angles and experience that could help a younger player.

Florida_Bronco
04-02-2010, 02:42 PM
Not to be rude because Buck far-and-away exceeded expectations in his role last year, but I think there are people better suited to give Knowshon advice.

How do you figure Rev? Buckhalter has played almost a decade at a position that has a shelf life of about half that and all despite injuries that would have had most people signing their retirement papers.

Just because Buckhalter was saddled with a body that been susceptible to injury since college doesn't diminish the credibility of advice he can give to Knowshon about what it takes to have a long, productive career in this league.

TheReverend
04-02-2010, 02:54 PM
There may be people better suited, but that doesn't mean Buck isn't suited.

He's a multi-year vet who has seen highs and lows, and come back from some pretty serious adversity and retained a place in the league. I'm certain that he's got angles and experience that could help a younger player.

How do you figure Rev? Buckhalter has played almost a decade at a position that has a shelf life of about half that and all despite injuries that would have had most people signing their retirement papers.

Just because Buckhalter was saddled with a body that been susceptible to injury since college doesn't diminish the credibility of advice he can give to Knowshon about what it takes to have a long, productive career in this league.


Because, simply put, Buck has NEVER been put in the situation Knowshon is. Knowshon is expected to be the guy, where Buck's first glimpse of being a touch higher than 2nd/3rd on the depth chart was last season.

Now, Popps, I completely agree there are angles and experience he can share with Knowshon that are valuable. However, "Pace yourself" isn't one of them, in my opinion.

Pace yourself sounds like what a career back-up would be telling another career back-up. Not somebody the Broncos are counting on to run through walls, break tackles, make people miss, fight for that extra yard, and maybe even develop into the face of the franchise.

I wonder what Rod Smith would say to "Pace yourself" :spit:

Florida_Bronco
04-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Because, simply put, Buck has NEVER been put in the situation Knowshon is. Knowshon is expected to be the guy, where Buck's first glimpse of being a touch higher than 2nd/3rd on the depth chart was last season.

Now, Popps, I completely agree there are angles and experience he can share with Knowshon that are valuable. However, "Pace yourself" isn't one of them, in my opinion.

Pace yourself sounds like what a career back-up would be telling another career back-up. Not somebody the Broncos are counting on to run through walls, break tackles, make people miss, fight for that extra yard, and maybe even develop into the face of the franchise.

I wonder what Rod Smith would say to "Pace yourself" :spit:

True, but I don't think that is what Buckhalter was getting at. I don't see "pace yourself" as some kind of endorsement to take it easy during the season, especially with how he talked about being balanced in your preparation.

TheReverend
04-02-2010, 03:07 PM
True, but I don't think that is what Buckhalter was getting at. I don't see "pace yourself" as some kind of endorsement to take it easy during the season, especially with how he talked about being balanced in your preparation.

"After playing a month of preseason, 17 weeks of football, and playoffs if the team gets in at the end -- you know that`s a lot. And you have to remind young players that at some point in the season you kind of hit a wall."

Pretty straight forward.

Nothing about conditioning harder, optimizing his nutrition for maximum recovery on his body, or things like massages to work out heavily rattled muscles.

Instead... "Pace yourself".

Florida_Bronco
04-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Nothing about conditioning harder, optimizing his nutrition for maximum recovery on his body, or things like massages to work out heavily rattled muscles.

But that's what I gathered from this quote. Obviously I'm not a mind reader but it seems to me that is the preparation he is talking about.

"I think I am a little more balanced in my preparation than when I was younger," Buckhalter said. "Just the injuries, after a number of years just kind of begin to take a toll."

TheReverend
04-02-2010, 03:20 PM
But that's what I gathered from this quote. Obviously I'm not a mind reader but it seems to me that is the preparation he is talking about.

"I think I am a little more balanced in my preparation than when I was younger," Buckhalter said. "Just the injuries, after a number of years just kind of begin to take a toll."

You gathered conditioning harder and playing hard from:

"You have to pace yourself and be more balanced at what you do," was Buckhalter`s advice. "After playing a month of preseason, 17 weeks of football, and playoffs if the team gets in at the end -- you know that`s a lot. And you have to remind young players that at some point in the season you kind of hit a wall."

Buckhalter is well aware of such matters. He was hampered by knee injuries early in his career with the Philadelphia Eagles.

"I think I am a little more balanced in my preparation than when I was younger," Buckhalter said. "Just the injuries, after a number of years just kind of begin to take a toll."

When he's clearly talking about pacing yourself through your preparation so you don't hit a wall/injure yourself?

KipCorrington25
04-02-2010, 08:21 PM
Some other good advice for Knowshow, don't fumble, don't hold out, don't fall down whenever touched... that should about cover it.

TomServo
04-03-2010, 01:41 AM
a young stud 12th overall pick should have had a long run over 36 yards "not pacing himself and all" especialy early in the season. he must have been pacing himself while old t-buck was averaging so many more yards per carry.
blah blah "he's not used to 16 games" he pretty muched sucked early in the season and later
Mike Anderson rookie year: 80 yard TD run 1400yards?. knowshon? longest run 36 yards.
some ZBS might have helped but Mcd doesnt believe in that.

~Crash~
04-03-2010, 09:42 AM
a young stud 12th overall pick should have had a long run over 36 yards "not pacing himself and all" especialy early in the season. he must have been pacing himself while old t-buck was averaging so many more yards per carry.
blah blah "he's not used to 16 games" he pretty muched sucked early in the season and later
Mike Anderson rookie year: 80 yard TD run 1400yards?. knowshon? longest run 36 yards.
some ZBS might have helped but Mcd doesnt believe in that.

I think you are to hard on him in the middle of the season he looked great . and if you think there is reasons for sucking at the first part of the season and wearing down towards the end of the season...

Tombstone RJ
04-03-2010, 10:20 AM
"After playing a month of preseason, 17 weeks of football, and playoffs if the team gets in at the end -- you know that`s a lot. And you have to remind young players that at some point in the season you kind of hit a wall."

Pretty straight forward.

Nothing about conditioning harder, optimizing his nutrition for maximum recovery on his body, or things like massages to work out heavily rattled muscles.

Instead... "Pace yourself".

Buck's right. It's not just about conditioning, it's about being able to finish strong. Hitting the wall has to do with being physically and mentally drained. It's not just about conditioning.

DawnBTVS
04-03-2010, 10:51 AM
Also remember that many of these guys are coming off a 13-14 game "college season" before they get drafted.

As pros they're suddenly working: 2-3 months of camp, 4 preseason games usually, 16-17 regular season games, and 1-3 more games in the playoffs if they make it to the Super Bowl at the end. That's a HUGE step up conditioning wise physically and mentally so it's not surprising to see many rookies drop off as the season wears on.

That's almost double their college season in terms of games played and for them is the equivalent of playing almost 2 seasons straight through.

TheReverend
04-03-2010, 03:20 PM
Also remember that many of these guys are coming off a 13-14 game "college season" before they get drafted.

As pros they're suddenly working: 2-3 months of camp, 4 preseason games usually, 16-17 regular season games, and 1-3 more games in the playoffs if they make it to the Super Bowl at the end. That's a HUGE step up conditioning wise physically and mentally so it's not surprising to see many rookies drop off as the season wears on.

That's almost double their college season in terms of games played and for them is the equivalent of playing almost 2 seasons straight through.

Buck's right. It's not just about conditioning, it's about being able to finish strong. Hitting the wall has to do with being physically and mentally drained. It's not just about conditioning.

Oh please, Knowshon had even less touches than he did in his collegiate seasons (albeit only by a little). We need to block better for him, but he needs to step up too. "Pace yourself" isn't for champions.

Tombstone RJ
04-03-2010, 05:30 PM
Oh please, Knowshon had even less touches than he did in his collegiate seasons (albeit only by a little). We need to block better for him, but he needs to step up too. "Pace yourself" isn't for champions.

Knowshon had no patience running the ball. He was too eager to show everyone just how great he is and it backfired on him. The oline didn't help but the reality is the oline was not total crap either. Holes were there, it's just that Knowshon's timing was off and he seemed to take bad first steps after the handoff. The reality of the situation was Knowshon had a bad first year and the oline was transitioning to a new scheme. You combine those two things and guess what, not so great stuff.

I'm looking for a huge second year from Knowshon and I'd like for the Broncos to daft another RB in the first 3 rounds.

TheReverend
04-03-2010, 05:43 PM
Knowshon had no patience running the ball. He was too eager to show everyone just how great he is and it backfired on him. The oline didn't help but the reality is the oline was not total crap either. Holes were there, it's just that Knowshon's timing was off and he seemed to take bad first steps after the handoff. The reality of the situation was Knowshon had a bad first year and the oline was transitioning to a new scheme. You combine those two things and guess what, not so great stuff.

I'm looking for a huge second year from Knowshon and I'd like for the Broncos to daft another RB in the first 3 rounds.

This ^^^

Games like he had against the NYG should leave plenty of room for optimism about his ability, but he also needs to sack up and perform better every week. I'd imagine someone like TD would give him the opposite advice that Buckhalter did and tell him to leave it all on the field EVERY Sunday, as opposed to "pacing himself"

Tombstone RJ
04-03-2010, 05:53 PM
This ^^^

Games like he had against the NYG should leave plenty of room for optimism about his ability, but he also needs to sack up and perform better every week. I'd imagine someone like TD would give him the opposite advice that Buckhalter did and tell him to leave it all on the field EVERY Sunday, as opposed to "pacing himself"

There's validity in Buck's comments. He's not telling Knowshon to take it easy, he's telling Knowshon to prepare for the season like it's a marathon. There's a difference in how your interpreting Knowshon's comments and how I'm interpreting them. I see them as pragmatic advise on how to approach this coming season in order to operate a maximum efficiency though out the entire year. Buck's not say, "relax kid" he's saying "be prepared kid".

TomServo
04-04-2010, 01:34 AM
I think you are to hard on him in the middle of the season he looked great . and if you think there is reasons for sucking at the first part of the season and wearing down towards the end of the season...

running back is the easiest of all positions to shine in a rookie year. just take the hand off and run damnit. a great RB can either run away from or run over people. K M did little of either. if he was a 2nd or later (which he probably should have been)round pick i would give some slack. but i will not give any slack to the number 12 pick in the entire draft. i hope he proves me wrong this season but judging from last year when an older injury prone rb played better? with the same offensive line?
his immature "hand slap dance" when he was averaging like 2 ypc late in the season didnt help endear me and other fans to him either.

TheReverend
04-04-2010, 02:57 AM
There's validity in Buck's comments. He's not telling Knowshon to take it easy, he's telling Knowshon to prepare for the season like it's a marathon. There's a difference in how your interpreting Knowshon's comments and how I'm interpreting them. I see them as pragmatic advise on how to approach this coming season in order to operate a maximum efficiency though out the entire year. Buck's not say, "relax kid" he's saying "be prepared kid".

I hope that's the case. The quotes in the article certainly don't lead me to that conclusion. Regardless, who cares. I'm certain he has plenty of people on the roster and in the staff giving him good advice. God can't the draft get here already

TotallyScrewed
04-04-2010, 08:22 AM
"After playing a month of preseason, 17 weeks of football, and playoffs if the team gets in at the end -- you know that`s a lot. And you have to remind young players that at some point in the season you kind of hit a wall."

Pretty straight forward.

Nothing about conditioning harder, optimizing his nutrition for maximum recovery on his body, or things like massages to work out heavily rattled muscles.

Instead... "Pace yourself".

I'd rather he took Terrell's mantra....POWER NAPS.

WolfpackGuy
04-04-2010, 09:14 AM
i will not give any slack to the number 12 pick in the entire draft.


Agreed.

I think he's a decent running back, but he just doesn't have gamebreaker ability you would expect for being the first back taken in his draft.

Too much tripping and lack of top end speed for me when he managed to get in the open field.

Play2win
04-04-2010, 09:55 AM
I would trade Moreno for CJ Spiller in a heartbeat.

uplink
04-06-2010, 01:04 AM
yeah pace yourself Moreno, break that 2 yard run into 10 runs of .2 yards.

Buckhalter is one to talk, its lucky if he doesn't get hurt dressing for the game.

baja
04-06-2010, 07:20 AM
I would trade Moreno for CJ Spiller in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't but I'd sure like to see both players on the team.

Play2win
04-06-2010, 09:18 AM
I wouldn't but I'd sure like to see both players on the team.

I'd be all for them trading carries with each other. :thumbsup: