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Ambiguous
04-01-2010, 12:33 PM
As April dawns, the NFL offseason has already spanned almost three months for the majority of teams. The orgy of hope that is the draft remains three weeks away, but most of the heavy lifting on the personnel acquisition front has been completed and new plans and programs are firmly in place.
Before we turn our attention fully to the draft, it's a good time for a review of the major moves, newsmakers and storylines:
• Headline hire of the offseason, player -- We're calling this one the first annual Jay Cutler Award, and handing it straight to the newest Chicago Bear, defensive end Julius Peppers. But is there anyone else out there who thinks that the same team making the biggest personnel acquisition of the offseason two years running might not be such a good thing, especially since Cutler's first year in Chi-town turned so deflating so quickly? At least Bears fans should know better this time around. Peppers and underachievement are well-acquainted.
• Headline hire of the offseason, coach -- The subterfuge surrounding Seattle's hiring of Pete Carroll was fascinating, but not exactly airtight, since all of seven minutes elapsed between the time of Jim Mora's firing and Carroll's name surfacing. Still, give the Seahawks credit for landing the big fish from the University of So Cool, and boldly tossing him the keys to the franchise. If nothing else, Seattle just brought an abrupt end to the boring phase that had engulfed Seahawks football the past two years.
• Worst offseason, franchise -- I'm guessing that last year's ambassadorship appointment to Ireland is looking pretty good these days to Steelers owner Dan Rooney. All he really missed is last season's non-playoff 9-7 finish and the trainwreck that has been Pittsburgh's 2010 so far. The last Rooney knew, Ben Roethlisberger and Santonio Holmes were just playing pitch and catch in Tampa, and then the big confetti shower commenced. But there have been a few unfortunate developments since.
• Worst offseason, player -- Sure, Terrell Owens can't find a city or a team to call his fifth NFL home, but that's not as bad as Roethlisberger has it. Big Ben was in position to own Pittsburgh, and he's in the process of revoking all territorial rights. It's enough to make you pine for those hazy, lazy days of 2006, when the riskiest thing he did was ride around helmet-less on his motorcycle.
• Trend of the offseason -- Trading veteran players for draft picks has been all the rage in this salary cap-less year. Trades once were tricky in the NFL due to the acceleration of cap charges that resulted, but not anymore. Antonio Cromartie, Anquan Boldin, Brady Quinn, Charlie Whitehurst, Kamerion Wimbley, Seneca Wallace, Kerry Rhodes, Shaun Hill, Corey Williams, Chris Clemons, Darryl Tapp, Chris Houston and others were moved in March in deals involving draft picks. Who knows? Maybe we'll even see a few moves made at the October trading deadline this year.
• Non-trend of the offseason -- With more than 200 potential unrestricted free agents being forced into restricted free agency due to rules in place for the uncapped year, the RFA market was expected to be busier than usual. But that has not been the case. At least yet. Brandon Marshall is still a Bronco. Vincent Jackson remains a Charger. Anthony Hargrove hasn't left the Saints. Unless you count running back Mike Bell jumping from New Orleans to Philadelphia as big news, nothing much has happened
• Division of unemployment -- Tough to beat the NFC West for surprise firings this year. First, Seattle head coach Jim Mora gets canned two days after being trotted out for a season-ending news conference, and then, just weeks before a draft in which they own a pair of first-round picks, the 49ers ask general manager Scot McCloughan to turn in his parking pass. Whoever thought we'd look at the Arizona Cardinals as the picture of front office and coaching stability?
• The move that had to happen -- The pendulum swing of history tells us it had to be Mike Shanahan in Washington this year. Since taking over ownership of the Redskins in 1999, Daniel Snyder has hired a proven, veteran head coach (Marty Schottenheimer), followed by an NFL novice head coach (Steve Spurrier), followed by the veteran (Joe Gibbs), followed by the newbie of all newbies, Jim Zorn. So it was clearly time for a proven veteran like Shanahan. What's that line about the definition of insanity? Nah, too easy.
• The moves we thought had to happen, but never did -- The Tom Cable deathwatch in Oakland has somehow made it almost three months past Black Monday, and he's still the Raiders' head coach. Adalius Thomas isn't an ex-Patriot (or expatriate). Jason Campbell remains a Redskins quarterback (for now) and Michael Vick is still No. 3 in Philly. But are they the winners or losers in this scenario?
• Team that had the most to lose, and did -- In the span of a few weeks, the Arizona Cardinals bid farewell to Boldin, Kurt Warner, Karlos Dansby, Antrel Rolle and Bertrand Berry via retirement, free agency or trade. But of that talented group, Warner is the only one who likely will be missed early and often in 2010. And that's no knock on Matt Leinart, who we think has a chance to exceed expectations. It's just the reality of where the two-time NFC West champs find themselves as their mini-reloading phase begins.
• Team that doesn't recognize itself from 2009 -- Nobody does upheaval better than the Cleveland Browns, but they might just be getting it right this time. Brady Quinn? Gone. Derek Anderson? Gone. Kamerion Wimbley, Jamal Lewis and Corey Williams? Gone, gone, gone. I like most of what new Browns football czar Mike Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert have done, with the glaring exception of giving $7 million to a quarterback (Jake Delhomme) whose new nickname should be T.O., as in turnover.
• Coaching trend -- What have Carolina's John Fox, Oakland's Cable, Chicago's Lovie Smith, Cleveland's Eric Mangini, Houston's Gary Kubiak, Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio and Tampa Bay's Raheem Morris all accomplished so far this offseason? They've held on to their jobs despite things looking a little bleak on that front at times late in 2009.
Some folks around the NFL believe it's hardly a coincidence that so many head coaches survived to work another season. With the looming uncertainty of 2011's labor situation, team owners came to the incredibly shrewd decision to stand pat rather than risk the chance of having to pay two entire coaching staffs for not working next year.
• Taking It On The Chin award -- Bill Cowher finally let it be known he was ready to make his celebrated return to the NFL, but it turns out the NFL wasn't ready for him. Did we mention he won himself a Super Bowl ring in Pittsburgh? So it's back to TV in 2010 for Cowher, who now hopes that CBS stands for "Carolina Better Stink'' this season.
• Left standing in the game of musical chairs -- Cowher wasn't the only one who didn't get a seat this year. What about Minnesota defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, who was supposed to be the No. 1 hot assistant in this offseason's hiring/mating game between teams and coaches? Oh, well. There's always next year, right? Try telling that one to Jason Garrett, Ron Rivera, and Russ Grimm.
• Silliest feud -- The Jets, the Giants, and the coin flip that neither called had tempest-in-a-teapot written all over it from the moment the story broke. Seriously, can't we all just get along? It's a stadium opener, not a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.
• Soap opera of the offseason -- The Tim Tebow Chronicles have included a controversial Super Bowl commercial that wasn't really controversial, a disastrous Senior Bowl week that went over like New Coke, a scouting combine workout that wowed everyone, a pro day showing that turned some heads and changed some minds, and a who-cares story about Tebow, the Wonderlic Test, and a prayer (or not). And we're still three weeks away from the draft.
• The story that needs to start fading a bit -- When are the Saints ever going to get around to celebrating their Super Bowl victory? Check that, I meant stop celebrating it. There's a statue of limitations on the length of one's victory lap, but New Orleans wouldn't know because one of the Saints' parade floats backed over that statue sometime toward the end of Mardi Gras. Who Dat say we have to get back to work?
• Biggest no-brainer call -- Rex Ryan and the Jets get the nod for HBO's Hard Knocks training camp series? Well who saw that one coming? All I can say to NFL Films is you better have plenty of extra film and fresh batteries in those cameras. Because we're all about to OD on the HC of the NYJ.
• Strangest admission -- The Texans actually lobbied and lobbied hard for the Hard Knocks assignment, and then admitted they did so when it became apparent to them that the Jets were the choice. I get that Houston owner Bob McNair wants to raise his team's profile, but winning still works that particular re-branding magic better than anything else in the NFL.
• Return we didn't see coming, coach -- Chan Gailey last year couldn't even keep his job as the Chiefs offensive coordinator through August. Now he's the new head coach in Buffalo, and back in the 32-man club he left after the 1999 season in Dallas. Then again, how many guys can say they've never missed the playoffs in their entire NFL head coaching career?
• Return we didn't see coming, player -- It's not official yet, but from all indications are Pacman Jones is about to become a Detroit Lion and get his absolute last NFL chance to wake up and smell the coffee. If you can't make it this time, Adam, Pacman, Mr. Jones -- whatever you wish to be called these days -- the only name that will fit is ex-player.
• Best new-fangled innovation -- I've never been a proponent of messing with the overtime format (Peter King and I have been point-counterpointing that one to death over the years), but the modified sudden-death tweak that was approved last week at the NFL's annual meeting is an intelligent fix that should add drama and another layer of decision-making to next year's playoffs. And maybe next year's regular season, too, from the sound of things.
• Headline move that was much ado about nothing -- When it comes to LaDainian Tomlinson's potential impact on the Jets, I'm a skeptic. LT says his declining numbers in San Diego had everything to do with the Chargers becoming a more pass-first team behind Philip Rivers. But San Diego had to become a more pass-first team because Tomlinson's production had been dropping every year, including his all-important average yards per carry. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
• The story that remains stuck in limbo -- No, not the never-ending Donovan McNabb trade talks. That deal will probably get done at some point before the draft. But for sheer lack of progress, it's tough to compete with the CBA negotiations between the NFL and its players. Here's the reality: Until the start of the new league year next March -- and maybe not even then -- little or nothing will get done in regard to a deal. It'll be rhetoric and posturing from both sides, and you can probably tune the whole thing out and not miss a single noteworthy development until mid-summer 2011.
• Prediction of the offseason -- Now it seems like solid consensus that Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford is going first overall to the Rams. But in mid-February, before the NFL Scouting Combine even opened, ESPN's Adam Schefter went out on a limb and all but guaranteed the selection. If it comes true, the line for draft experts starts somewhere behind Schefter for the time being.
• Groundhog Day Award -- Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress and the rest of the organization will wait patiently until a certain quarterback decides if he wants to play in 2010. Then they'll continue to wait while that quarterback changes his mind twice more, eventually suiting up sometime in August. And with that, Brett Favre will pronounce himself ready for a 20th NFL season.
• Best rebuilt position -- Denver's still-new 3-4 defensive line, in the span of a few days, added nose tackle Jamal Williams, defensive end Jarvis Green, and tackle-end Justin Bannan, adding the size and requisite run-stuffers to succeed in that formation. Quickly landing three potential starters isn't a bad makeover, if you can manage it.
• Best planning for the future -- From what I hear, the unspoken understanding in Washington is that new Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan will someday succeed his father, Mike, as Washington's head coach. The younger Shanahan is a well-respected coach in his own right, and I'm told that he insisted his dad grant him the authority to call the plays for the Redskins before he agreed to leave Houston for Washington. Sometimes nepotism can be a great policy.
• Biggest, boldest gamble -- There aren't too many entirely blank slates in the NFL, but the Seahawks acquired one in quarterback Charlie Whitehurst earlier this month. The former Chargers No. 3 has never thrown a regular-season pass during his four NFL seasons, and he comes to Seattle in the pole position to eventually replace longtime starter Matt Hasselbeck. Watching how the Seahawks' bet unfolds the next two years will make for some of the best theater in the league.
• No. 2 and willing to move -- Backup quarterbacks in the NFL aren't usually second-teamers for long. At some point, almost every one has to step in and play for a game or two. That's why the market for their services always stays strong, as it did this month. As the 2010 season looms, Seneca Wallace has relocated to Cleveland, David Carr to San Francisco, Anderson to Arizona, Quinn to Denver, Whitehurst to Seattle, Rex Grossman to Washington, and A.J. Feeley to St. Louis. Which ones will wind up playing pivotal roles for their teams this season?


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Ambiguous
04-01-2010, 12:35 PM
Kinda feels weird after last off season, but it seems most analysts like what Josh and Co. are doing this year. I'm not sure if that's a good thing. As long as it's not Clayton I guess...

Ziggy
04-01-2010, 12:57 PM
They are liking what Josh is doing this year because most of them looked like fools doubting his free agent moves last year. They don't want to make the same mistake 2 years in a row.

SoDak Bronco
04-01-2010, 01:01 PM
but but we are too old

PRBronco
04-01-2010, 01:03 PM
but but we are too old

Also he forgot to mention how we got the same production out of Kenny Peterson for cheaper, zomgzzz.

ColoradoDarin
04-01-2010, 01:30 PM
I love Schefter, but guessing that the top QB will be the top pick to a team that needs a QB doesn't make him a draft Guru. He's still the best NFL news man.

bronco militia
04-01-2010, 01:50 PM
They are liking what Josh is doing this year because most of them looked like fools doubting his free agent moves last year. They don't want to make the same mistake 2 years in a row.

LOL....I'm sure they don't care that much

Mr.Meanie
04-01-2010, 02:39 PM
They are liking what Josh is doing this year because most of them looked like fools doubting his free agent moves last year. They don't want to make the same mistake 2 years in a row.

To be fair, aside from the Cutler fiasco I think most people liked what happened in FA last year. It was the draft that got a lot of the criticism.

Doggcow
04-01-2010, 03:21 PM
Anyone else find that brutally painful to read?

It sounds like he was making it up as he went along.

Drek
04-01-2010, 05:13 PM
To be fair, aside from the Cutler fiasco I think most people liked what happened in FA last year. It was the draft that got a lot of the criticism.

When in reality it was a very good draft with one poor value trade (swapping our 2010 1st for a 2009 2nd).

None of the players where reach picks. All of the players fit the system we're looking to install. They might not all pan out but there aren't any major "what the ****" moments as far as actual player selection.

Popps
04-01-2010, 05:14 PM
They are liking what Josh is doing this year because most of them looked like fools doubting his free agent moves last year. They don't want to make the same mistake 2 years in a row.

lllluuullllzzzzz

crush17
04-01-2010, 05:19 PM
When in reality it was a very good draft with one poor value trade (swapping our 2010 1st for a 2009 2nd).

None of the players where reach picks. All of the players fit the system we're looking to install. They might not all pan out but there aren't any major "what the ****" moments as far as actual player selection.


I dunno, I said "wtf!" when they drafted Moreno... but I dont think any running back should be drafted in the 1st round so...

Mr.Meanie
04-01-2010, 05:20 PM
When in reality it was a very good draft with one poor value trade (swapping our 2010 1st for a 2009 2nd).

None of the players where reach picks. All of the players fit the system we're looking to install. They might not all pan out but there aren't any major "what the ****" moments as far as actual player selection.

I agree 100%. The only one I'm not totally sold on as a great pick is Quinn in the 2nd.... and he could (or not) end up becoming our next Graham.

I was referring more to the fact that our FA haul was pretty widely thought of as good last year, while people didn't really like our draft because the perception was we didn't address our biggest weaknesses.

colonelbeef
04-01-2010, 05:22 PM
They are liking what Josh is doing this year because most of them looked like fools doubting his free agent moves last year. They don't want to make the same mistake 2 years in a row.

How did they look like fools? Most analysts said that the Dawkins pickup was nice, but that the offense would be terrible after the Cutler trade.

The offense was terrible after the Cutler fiasco, and the team finished 8-8, hardly a bad call by the detractors..

gyldenlove
04-01-2010, 05:29 PM
When in reality it was a very good draft with one poor value trade (swapping our 2010 1st for a 2009 2nd).

None of the players where reach picks. All of the players fit the system we're looking to install. They might not all pan out but there aren't any major "what the ****" moments as far as actual player selection.

A very good draft?

Aside from the pretty poor value we got on out multiple trades and the Quinn reach it is true we didn't overdraft anyone compared to consensus values, but that still doesn't change the fact that we got more or less disappointing production from all our rookies (Moreno was the only one who earned a starting spot, our pass rusher didn't get a sack, our TE didn't get to play, our WR didn't have a catch and the rest were either special teamers or didn't play).

broncswin
04-01-2010, 05:31 PM
How did they look like fools? Most analysts said that the Dawkins pickup was nice, but that the offense would be terrible after the Cutler trade.

The offense was terrible after the Cutler fiasco, and the team finished 8-8, hardly a bad call by the detractors..

Dont forget that most of those analysts had us at 3-13 or 4-12 at best...very few even thought we would be 8-8 or better, but hey their the guys that get paid to throw in their two cents:thumbs:

Kaylore
04-01-2010, 05:44 PM
They are liking what Josh is doing this year because most of them looked like fools doubting his free agent moves last year. They don't want to make the same mistake 2 years in a row.

I remember this. Many here were saying "Every move we've made is bad." And most of the pundits had us winning maybe 3 games. Now they're all up in arms we won eight and when asked about it ignore half the season by saying crap like "ZOMGS!!! WE WUNT 2-8 WE UNLEE WUN 2 GAMEZ DA FURSY DUN COWNT!!!!!!!1111ONE"

broncswin
04-01-2010, 05:46 PM
I remember this. Many here were saying "Every move we've made is bad." And most of the pundits had us winning maybe 3 games. Now they're all up in arms we won eight and when asked about it ignore half the season by saying crap like "ZOMGS!!! WE WUNT 2-8 WE UNLEE WUN 2 GAMEZ DA FURSY DUN COWNT!!!!!!!1111ONE"

I don't really understand the last part...but I think I like itHilarious!

Dedhed
04-01-2010, 06:52 PM
The offense was terrible after the Cutler fiasco, and the team finished 8-8, hardly a bad call by the detractors..

I'm pretty sure the call by be detractors was that we would do well to win 3-4 games last year. Not a single one that I remember had us anywhere near being in the playoff hunt.

Crypt keeper called us an expansion club that would struggle to win 4 games.

That's the definition of a bad call, and they all got it wrong.

Archer81
04-01-2010, 06:54 PM
How did they look like fools? Most analysts said that the Dawkins pickup was nice, but that the offense would be terrible after the Cutler trade.

The offense was terrible after the Cutler fiasco, and the team finished 8-8, hardly a bad call by the detractors..


The predictions for denver went anywhere from 2-14 to 6-10 last season before the season started. So clearly they overrated the importance of Jay Cutler.


:Broncos:

Dagmar
04-01-2010, 07:07 PM
How did they look like fools? Most analysts said that the Dawkins pickup was nice, but that the offense would be terrible after the Cutler trade.

The offense was terrible after the Cutler fiasco, and the team finished 8-8, hardly a bad call by the detractors..

Did you hear ANY predicitions about the Broncos having an above .500 record?

For once, provide good legitimate facts to back up your claims :troll:

strafen
04-01-2010, 11:04 PM
When in reality it was a very good draft with one poor value trade (swapping our 2010 1st for a 2009 2nd).

None of the players where reach picks. All of the players fit the system we're looking to install. They might not all pan out but there aren't any major "what the ****" moments as far as actual player selection.

Richard Quinn anyone?

This year will find out how those draft picks fit the system we're looking to install.
As far as the 2009 FA signings, I think it was as good as we could've hoped. The defense side looked like they contributed real well, the offense side on the other hand, didn't seem to have had the same impact as the defense...

Florida_Bronco
04-01-2010, 11:12 PM
The defense side looked like they contributed real well, the offense side on the other hand, didn't seem to have had the same impact as the defense...

Really? Did you forget Hochstein, Gaffney and Buckhalter? All were free agents signings and made huge contributions to our offense.

strafen
04-01-2010, 11:20 PM
Really? Did you forget Hochstein, Gaffney and Buckhalter? All were free agents signings and made huge contributions to our offense.

Of course they did. Just not in the same way the defense was impacted.
Our offense was already good coming off the 2008 season, yet it didn't improve in my opinion in a way you can be impressed with.
The defense however, was completely turned around going from bottom feeders to top-10 in the NFL...
Of course that takes Nolan's into that mix as well...

colonelbeef
04-02-2010, 07:32 AM
Dont forget that most of those analysts had us at 3-13 or 4-12 at best...very few even thought we would be 8-8 or better, but hey their the guys that get paid to throw in their two cents:thumbs:

I guess you are right and some had the team falling off of a cliff after the Cutler trade... the reality is that the offense was every bit as bad as was predicted, the defense held together far better than anyone anticipated, and the lucky Bengal bounce propelled the team a bit at the outset. considering the crash and burn at the end of the season, I'd say that the over team prognosis was pretty much dead on, and in particular, the offense played down to expectations thanks to Orton's noodle arm, a mishmash blocking scheme, and the crapple screen

colonelbeef
04-02-2010, 07:35 AM
The predictions for denver went anywhere from 2-14 to 6-10 last season before the season started. So clearly they overrated the importance of Jay Cutler.


:Broncos:

The team was worse in points scored, YPG, rushing yards, passing yards, TDS, time of possession, first down, etc etc.

Adding another year of experience to a young offense, plus a #1 draft pick RB should have meant another step forward, therefore having the year we had last year was a total failure.

CEH
04-02-2010, 07:44 AM
The team was worse in points scored, YPG, rushing yards, passing yards, TDS, time of possession, first down, etc etc.

Adding another year of experience to a young offense, plus a #1 draft pick RB should have meant another step forward, therefore having the year we had last year was a total failure.

The one stat I think you can attribute directly to Jay Cutler was 3rd down conversion down from 47% to 34%. Besides the arm this is the thing I missed most last year. That and having a QB who could avoid a sack now and then

WolfpackGuy
04-02-2010, 09:17 AM
having a QB who could avoid a sack now and then

It was the line's fault.

LOL

gunns
04-02-2010, 09:37 AM
Personally I love the fact that McD has focused so much on defense and done a decent job at it. Something refreshing after the previous 10 years.

Seattle's season not being boring because they hired Carroll? I think it may not be but I don't think it's because Carroll will have over whelming success.

Florida_Bronco
04-02-2010, 01:46 PM
Of course they did. Just not in the same way the defense was impacted.

Of course not. Look how many of our starters from the 2008 defense aren't even in the league anymore. We basically had to fill all but a few positions on the defense, so by sheer numbers those free agents will have a bigger impact than offensive free agents where our FA signings were for backup players.

Dean
04-02-2010, 05:53 PM
Personally I love the fact that McD has focused so much on defense and done a decent job at it. Something refreshing after the previous 10 years.

Seattle's season not being boring because they hired Carroll? I think it may not be but I don't think it's because Carroll will have over whelming success.

It will be interesting to see this year whether it was Nolan or McD.???

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 06:14 PM
The team was worse in points scored, YPG, rushing yards, passing yards, TDS, time of possession, first down, etc etc.

Adding another year of experience to a young offense, plus a #1 draft pick RB should have meant another step forward, therefore having the year we had last year was a total failure.

You forgot to mention that the whole offense was playing in a completely new system, with an almost entirely new coaching staff, against a much tougher defensive schedule and had injuries to much more important positions than RB (not that the RB position was at 100% the whole year, just fewer backs on IR). But you're right there was nothing that happened on the offensive side of the ball that should have had any negative effect on their production. Only positive changes with worse results.

gunns
04-02-2010, 07:34 PM
It will be interesting to see this year whether it was Nolan or McD.???

Doesn't matter who it is, it's nice to have someone finally realize we have a defense also. Nolan isn't here this year and I'm fairly please with the pickups. Regardless, at least we are adding to the defense and not with players who gave up the highest yards to a RB.

strafen
04-02-2010, 09:11 PM
It will be interesting to see this year whether it was Nolan or McD.???Of course it was Nolan...
Where are you getting Mcd into this?

Florida_Bronco
04-02-2010, 09:28 PM
Of course it was Nolan...
Where are you getting Mcd into this?

Oh I don't know.

- The fact that McD hired Nolan.
- The fact that McD hired all of Nolan's assistants.
- The fact that McD picked the players.
- The fact that McD personally helped coach many of the defensive players
- The fact that McD made Nolan run the aggressive 3-4 he worked under in New England, not Nolan's read and react 3-4.
- The fact that McD was very involved in the defensive game plans and supposedly called quite a few of the defensive plays as well.

baja
04-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Oh I don't know.

- The fact that McD hired Nolan.
- The fact that McD hired all of Nolan's assistants.
- The fact that McD picked the players.
- The fact that McD personally helped coach many of the defensive players
- The fact that McD made Nolan run the aggressive 3-4 he worked under in New England, not Nolan's read and react 3-4.
<b>- The fact that McD was very involved in the defensive game plans and supposedly called quite a few of the defensive plays as well.

Where did you get that?

strafen
04-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Oh I don't know.

- The fact that McD hired Nolan.
- The fact that McD hired all of Nolan's assistants.
- The fact that McD picked the players.
- The fact that McD personally helped coach many of the defensive players
- The fact that McD made Nolan run the aggressive 3-4 he worked under in New England, not Nolan's read and react 3-4.
- The fact that McD was very involved in the defensive game plans and supposedly called quite a few of the defensive plays as well.lol!!!!!!!!!!!

This also proves it wasn't Slowik's fault because...
- The fact that Shanahan hired Slowik.
- The fact that Shanahan hired all of Slowik's assistants.
- The fact that Shanahan picked the players.

This makes as much sense as tits on a warhog...

Florida_Bronco
04-03-2010, 01:03 AM
Where did you get that?

Several players and even Nolan himself I believe were quoted as saying that McD had significant input in the defensive game plans and IIRC it was McD who decided to run the 4-2 alignment as the base defense against the Colts.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!

This also proves it wasn't Slowik's fault because...
- The fact that Shanahan hired Slowik.
- The fact that Shanahan hired all of Slowik's assistants.
- The fact that Shanahan picked the players.

This makes as much sense as boobies on a warhog...

Except that Slowik's failure has been the only constant in his career. Nolan has a pretty decent track record, but he never ran an aggressive blitzing defense like we did last year, and he never had a defense as dominate as ours was for the first 6 weeks. Both of those traits (aggressive play calling and dominate defenses) are linked to the New England tree through Josh.

strafen
04-03-2010, 01:28 AM
Several players and even Nolan himself I believe were quoted as saying that McD had significant input in the defensive game plans and IIRC it was McD who decided to run the 4-2 alignment as the base defense against the Colts.



Except that Slowik's failure has been the only constant in his career. Nolan has a pretty decent track record, but he never ran an aggressive blitzing defense like we did last year, and he never had a defense as dominate as ours was for the first 6 weeks. Both of those traits (aggressive play calling and dominate defenses) are linked to the New England tree through Josh.Come on man.
This is getting ridiculous!
Here you are making excuses for Mcdaniels.
Mike Nolan played linebacker in the NFL. The guy has been a headcoach and a very sucessful defensive coordinator in the NFL. And you mean to tell me, McDaniels with not even a 20% of the experience Mike Nolan has was dictating to Mike Nolan how to run his business??!!!


Just because you're the headcoach doesn't make you more knowledgeable than your coordinators, let alone a rookie coach who never played a down in the NFL...

To say Nolan never had a dominant defense as ours is utterly ridiculous, and you may want to tell that to the Baltimore Ravens.

Let me quote you some of Nolan's achievements as DC...
As Baltimore’s defensive coordinator from 2002-04, Nolan’s group tied for the NFL lead in takeaways (106) while ranking fifth in the league in both points per game allowed (18.8) and third down percentage (34.7). Five Baltimore defenders earned a total of nine trips to the Pro Bowl, and Nolan instructed back-to-back AP NFL Defensive Players of the Year in Ray Lewis (2003) and Ed Reed (2004)

Nolan became the NFL’s youngest defensive coordinator in 1993 when the Giants hired him for that position at age 35
In his first year as a defensive coordinator with the Giants in 1993, Nolan’s defense allowed an NFL low 12.8 points per game for the best mark by the club in 44 seasons

The 49ers were one of the NFL’s most consistent teams in stopping the run during Nolan’s four years with the club, ranking fourth in the league in yards per carry allowed (3.9) during that period

BroncoBuff
04-03-2010, 01:39 AM
Stop making me miss Nolan dragster.


Great article, thanks McAmby.

Florida_Bronco
04-03-2010, 02:22 AM
Come on man.
This is getting ridiculous! Yeah I know. I keep pounding this into your head and then you come back and act like you've never heard it before without offering any legit counterpoints.

Here you are making excuses for Mcdaniels. Huh? What excuses?

Mike Nolan played linebacker in the NFL. Good for him.

The guy has been a headcoach And sucked at it.

and a very sucessful defensive coordinator in the NFL. Very successful? Not quite. He's bounced around a bunch of teams and never stayed as a DC at one stop for more than 3 years despite not getting a promotion to HC until 12 years after he he assumed his first DC gig. He's also only had one defense ever reach the top 5 and two that were ranked in the low 20's.

So yeah, while he's had some good defenses, his track record isn't "great" and more than one team had sent him packing over his career. Hell, after the Jets canned him in 2000 he had to go to the Raven's as a receivers coach before they moved him to DC after Marvin Lewis took the Bengals job.

And you mean to tell me, McDaniels with not even a 20% of the experience Mike Nolan has was dictating to Mike Nolan how to run his business??!!! Why is that hard to understand? Josh McDaniels is the head coach. He runs the team and the assistant coaches conform to the vision he has. Anything less is insubordination.

Also Nolan gave an interview around training camp time where he freely admitted that Josh had him scrap his usual read and react defense in favor of one that was more aggressive.

Just because you're the headcoach doesn't make you more knowledgeable than your coordinators, let alone a rookie coach who never played a down in the NFL... Absolutely true, but as a head coach you have the power and authority to dictate the direction of your team. For better or worse, the coordinators and assistants have to conform.

Also I'll remind you that Josh's 8-8 season is better than any season Nolan has ever had as a HC. Just something to chew on.

To say Nolan never had a dominant defense as ours is utterly ridiculous, and you may want to tell that to the Baltimore Ravens. Raven's defensive ratings under Nolan.

2002 - 19th
2003 - 6th
2004 - 6th

Now a 6th ranked defense is nothing to be ashamed of, but it's not dominant. Of course opinions vary on "dominate" but to most would probably agree that you need to be top 5 before that label gets thrown around.

strafen
04-03-2010, 02:37 AM
Yeah I know. I keep pounding this into your head and then you come back and act like you've never heard it before without offering any legit counterpoints.

Huh? What excuses?

Good for him.

And sucked at it.

Very successful? Not quite. He's bounced around a bunch of teams and never stayed as a DC at one stop for more than 3 years despite not getting a promotion to HC until 12 years after he he assumed his first DC gig. He's also only had one defense ever reach the top 5 and two that were ranked in the low 20's.

So yeah, while he's had some good defenses, his track record isn't "great" and more than one team had sent him packing over his career. Hell, after the Jets canned him in 2000 he had to go to the Raven's as a receivers coach before they moved him to DC after Marvin Lewis took the Bengals job.

Why is that hard to understand? Josh McDaniels is the head coach. He runs the team and the assistant coaches conform to the vision he has. Anything less is insubordination.

Also Nolan gave an interview around training camp time where he freely admitted that Josh had him scrap his usual read and react defense in favor of one that was more aggressive.

Absolutely true, but as a head coach you have the power and authority to dictate the direction of your team. For better or worse, the coordinators and assistants have to conform.

Also I'll remind you that Josh's 8-8 season is better than any season Nolan has ever had as a HC. Just something to chew on.

Raven's defensive ratings under Nolan.

2002 - 19th
2003 - 6th
2004 - 6th

Now a 6th ranked defense is nothing to be ashamed of, but it's not dominant. Of course opinions vary on "dominate" but to most would probably agree that you need to be top 5 before that label gets thrown around.So basically, what you're saying is Baltimore never had as a dominant defense as the world famous New England Patriots dominant defenses, huh?

I can almost swear Baltimore has been known for their defense prowess ;) and last time I've checked, New England and dominant defenses never get mentioned in the same sentence...

Florida_Bronco
04-03-2010, 02:43 AM
So basically, what you're saying is Baltimore never had as a dominant defense as the world famous New England Patriots dominant defenses, huh?

Not while Nolan was their DC. New England had the top ranked defense one year (2003) second ranked twice (2004 & 2006) 4th ranked (2007) and 6th ranked.

I can almost swear Baltimore has been known for their defense prowess They are, thanks largely to the 2000 season (when Nolan was with the Jets) and the Rex Ryan era.

and last time I've checked, New England and dominant defenses never get mentioned in the same sentence... Then you never paid attention.