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Mediator12
03-31-2010, 08:02 AM
Anyone else out there watching this on HBO. I absolutely loved the Band of Brothers mini and this one is kicking ass the first 3 episodes. This is the story that needs to be heard after all the european theater WWII movied the last decade.

These are as historically accurate as possible and based on the real lives of US Marines Fighting in the Pacific Theater of WWII. The reality of War comes through and I thank God I never had to make the sacrifice these Amazing men chose to do.

Dukes
03-31-2010, 08:04 AM
I don't have HBO, but the first episode was on a channel I do get from direct. Not sure how that works. Not too much going on in the first episode, but can't wait to catch more of them.

jhat01
03-31-2010, 08:08 AM
Great show..I look forward to it every Sunday. I loved Band of Brothers, but as a former Marine, this one is special.

"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." - Chesty Puller

Chris
03-31-2010, 08:09 AM
I don't have HBO... but I watched the first two. In some ways I like it more than BoB... in other ways I feel like there wasn't a ton of character development that you had with say the Curahee episode to start BoB. I'm a fan of the actors... I just haven't found the show's soul yet.

Rabb
03-31-2010, 08:11 AM
loving it so far, great show...but I figured anything run by Tom Hanks would be solid

I am a sucker for all things WWII

Mr.Meanie
03-31-2010, 08:19 AM
I agree, awesome show. I've only seen the first 2 so far, but it's one of my new favorites.

Also, everyone should be watching Justified and Sons of Tuscon.

bronco militia
03-31-2010, 08:21 AM
thanks for the thread....I've been debating getting HBO again just to watch this show.

Dukes
03-31-2010, 08:23 AM
thanks for the thread....I've been debating getting HBO again just to watch this show.

That's a waste of money, just download it.

Rohirrim
03-31-2010, 08:26 AM
My dad was a career Marine. He fought on Okinawa. Never said a word about it.

Mr.Meanie
03-31-2010, 08:27 AM
thanks for the thread....I've been debating getting HBO again just to watch this show.

Yeah there's not a whole lot else on HBO now that's worth it.

You might want to wait until Hard Knocks comes back this summer, or until they finish filming Game of Thrones, which will become the most epic show in the history of TV.

Dukes
03-31-2010, 08:29 AM
My dad was a career Marine. He fought on Okinawa. Never said a word about it.

The guys that don't talk are the real heroes

Rabb
03-31-2010, 08:36 AM
I just cannot get rid of HBO, they have too many series that I like on there

bronco militia
03-31-2010, 08:37 AM
Yeah there's not a whole lot else on HBO now that's worth it.

You might want to wait until Hard Knocks comes back this summer, or until they finish filming Game of Thrones, which will become the most epic show in the history of TV.

good point....

game of thrones?...off to wiki

400HZ
03-31-2010, 08:43 AM
Great series so far.

The aspect that has really registered for me so far has been the cynicism that the marines develop. Band of Brothers really whiffed on that and destroyed the realism of the series for me. They were always upbeat to such a high degree that it was distracting. The Pacific hits the gallows humor perfectly. I also loved the part where they raid the army's supply camp. As any marine (past or present) will tell you, stealing from the army is a vital link in the marine corps logistical chain so I'm glad they included that.

bronco militia
03-31-2010, 08:44 AM
As any marine (past or present) will tell you, stealing from the army is a vital link in the marine corps logistical chain so I'm glad they included that.

Ha!

That One Guy
03-31-2010, 10:49 AM
When someone mentioned download, do they mean a legit download or the good ol' torrent way?

I got caught downloading a while back so my ISP warned me... I might push my luck though if that's the answers. I'm a mini-series sucker.

Houshyamama
03-31-2010, 11:00 AM
Anyone else out there watching this on HBO. I absolutely loved the Band of Brothers mini and this one is kicking ass the first 3 episodes. This is the story that needs to be heard after all the european theater WWII movied the last decade.

These are as historically accurate as possible and based on the real lives of US Marines Fighting in the Pacific Theater of WWII. The reality of War comes through and I thank God I never had to make the sacrifice these Amazing men chose to do.

Been watching the documentary BBC History of World War II. I highly recommend it if you haven't already checked it out, it's very similar to the World at War documentary they always show on the Military Channel.

Anyway, I caught the first two episodes of Pacific and enjoyed it... looking forward to having some quality time with my Tivo and watching the 3rd.

Houshyamama
03-31-2010, 11:02 AM
My dad was a career Marine. He fought on Okinawa. Never said a word about it.

Jesus. What hell that must have been.

Baba Booey
03-31-2010, 11:02 AM
Love it so far. Basilone is from a town about 20 minutes from me.

Houshyamama
03-31-2010, 11:04 AM
As any marine (past or present) will tell you, stealing from the army is a vital link in the marine corps logistical chain so I'm glad they included that.

LOL I laughed my ass off at that.

Archer81
03-31-2010, 11:06 AM
I have HBO, have not caught the series. My dad (active duty Marine) was a walking library on the USMC in the pacific, so my interest in the show is muted. Also less inclined to watch it after Hanks' commentary about US actions in the pacific being racist, and that racism the MO of fighting the Japanese in the first place.

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
03-31-2010, 11:10 AM
Jesus. What hell that must have been.

He did tell me once about how Japanese kamikazes attacked the fleet he was in. None of them hit the ship he was on.

missingnumber7
03-31-2010, 11:11 AM
I was at a hotel and got to see the opening week and then have missed everything since, but am leaving on sunday for 2 weeks in arkansas again so I should be able to catch up...and then wait till may to get the rest. The first episode was awesome. They did a great job with this, the part of the war that often gets forgotten.

bpc
03-31-2010, 11:13 AM
It's unfortunate Tom Hanks politicals are spilling into it, tainting the work because I really like him as an actor. This is the latest yahoo to use his celebrity to paint people with a very ignorant brush. I guess in all the historical reading he's done, he forget to read up on how Americans were massacred at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7th, 1941. BTW, did we get any quarter that day?

"The only way to complete one of these battles on these small specks of rock in the middle of nowhere was, and I'm sorry, to kill them all," Hanks said.

The dual Oscar-winner went further in Time magazine."Back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as 'yellow, slant-eyed dogs' that believed in different gods," he said.


"They were out to kill us because our way of living was different.

"We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different.
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Rabb
03-31-2010, 11:20 AM
just thinking about Pearl Harbor makes me sick

when I was in the Navy I got the chance to go there and it really hit me

broncosteven
03-31-2010, 11:22 AM
I have HBO, have not caught the series. My dad (active duty Marine) was a walking library on the USMC in the pacific, so my interest in the show is muted. Also less inclined to watch it after Hanks' commentary about US actions in the pacific being racist, and that racism the MO of fighting the Japanese in the first place.

:Broncos:

Not sure what you mean about racisim during WWII, I would be interested if you had a link about the comments.

Monday, PBS had a documentary on American Experience that was shot in 2005 about the Pacific war. I think I have seen it before. Both sides were very racist so much so that whole Japanese familys jumped off a cliff on the 1st real populated island that the US took control of. They thought the US soliders were going to rape them and torture them, I think some of it was shame for the older people but considering what the Japanese did to Manchuria. I think the brutalizing, raping and pillaging that the Japanese did in Manchuria and even China hadn't been seen since the days of the Vikings. Even the Soviets were more civil entering Germany than the atrocities the Japanese were guilty of.

Rohirrim
03-31-2010, 11:23 AM
Anybody who studies what the Japanese did during that war would have no sympathy for them. The Japanese have engaged in a fifty year PR campaign to rewrite history, but the truth is they were no less barbarous and despicable than the Nazis, and maybe worse. They deserved Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Baba Booey
03-31-2010, 11:25 AM
Anybody who studies what the Japanese did during that war would have no sympathy for them. The Japanese have engaged in a fifty year PR campaign to rewrite history, but the truth is they were no less barbarous and despicable than the Nazis, and maybe worse. They deserved Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

The way they treated POW's was just despicable.

Archer81
03-31-2010, 11:34 AM
Not sure what you mean about racisim during WWII, I would be interested if you had a link about the comments.

Monday, PBS had a documentary on American Experience that was shot in 2005 about the Pacific war. I think I have seen it before. Both sides were very racist so much so that whole Japanese familys jumped off a cliff on the 1st real populated island that the US took control of. They thought the US soliders were going to rape them and torture them, I think some of it was shame for the older people but considering what the Japanese did to Manchuria. I think the brutalizing, raping and pillaging that the Japanese did in Manchuria and even China hadn't been seen since the days of the Vikings. Even the Soviets were more civil entering Germany than the atrocities the Japanese were guilty of.


However, the actor/producer’s recent statements about the Pacific War seem a bit out of whack with the history itself – one that Hanks of all people should understand. “Back in World War II,” he says, “we viewed the Japanese as ‘yellow, slant-eyed dogs’ that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?”

http://www.frumforum.com/tom-hanks-pacific-war-revisionism

The Japanese were ****ing brutal. For all the cries of european and american racism in asia, the japanese were far worse than anything the french, english, dutch or the americans were. Read about the rape of nanking and you get an idea of what the Japs were like.

:Broncos:

bpc
03-31-2010, 11:34 AM
Does anybody doubt that if the Japanese had an atomic bomb that they wouldn't have dropped it on Pearl Harbor instead, saving their sneak attack 3 hours of fighting in the Hawaiin skies?

Better yet what would have stopped them from sailing right into San Francisco and doing the same thing?

I like Tom Hanks the actor but he needs to STFU about things he cannot possibly wrap his biased little mind around.

Archer81
03-31-2010, 11:36 AM
Anybody who studies what the Japanese did during that war would have no sympathy for them. The Japanese have engaged in a fifty year PR campaign to rewrite history, but the truth is they were no less barbarous and despicable than the Nazis, and maybe worse. They deserved Nagasaki and Hiroshima.


This.


:Broncos:

milehighJC
03-31-2010, 11:45 AM
Ive watched all three episodes to date, and think its an outstanding series - I havent yet seen Band of Brothers (but have now started watching it).

My interest in the pacific theater spiked a few years back after reading Flags of our Fathers, and Flyboys. While I bought them as a semi casual read, by the time I finished both of them, nothing was casual. Both books portray a BRUTAL war, on both sides of the lines. Im guessing that I either forgot much of my high school history class, or perhaps it was a little "slanted". Maybe a little of both. So now I've taken to reading more about WWII, and especially the conflict with the Japanese.

My father, now 94 served in the signal corps in the pacific, and wont say much at all about those years either.

jc

TheReverend
03-31-2010, 11:47 AM
Absolutely amazing show. Really brings you back to a day when men were men.

C130Herkload
03-31-2010, 11:57 AM
An exceptionally good documentary is "The War" by Ken Burns. Just one of the best. Id highly recommend it to any WWII buff.

broncosteven
03-31-2010, 12:00 PM
However, the actor/producer’s recent statements about the Pacific War seem a bit out of whack with the history itself – one that Hanks of all people should understand. “Back in World War II,” he says, “we viewed the Japanese as ‘yellow, slant-eyed dogs’ that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?”

http://www.frumforum.com/tom-hanks-pacific-war-revisionism

The Japanese were ****ing brutal. For all the cries of european and american racism in asia, the japanese were far worse than anything the french, english, dutch or the americans were. Read about the rape of nanking and you get an idea of what the Japs were like.

:Broncos:

I don't get it Hanks is right, there was a lot of yellow slant eyed propaganda on the US side and on the Japanese side we were considered big huking hairy monsters that wanted to rape everyone in Japan. It worked both ways not sure I get the point.

broncosteven
03-31-2010, 12:03 PM
An exceptionally good documentary is "The War" by Ken Burns. Just one of the best. Id highly recommend it to any WWII buff.

I found The War lame and not one of his best.

You should check out "The World at War" I think the Military channel is running it non stop now. I saw it on DVD from the Library a couple years ago and remember when it was on back in the 70's. Great coverage of both theaters though more on European.

Plus Oliver narrates.

Archer81
03-31-2010, 12:06 PM
I don't get it Hanks is right, there was a lot of yellow slant eyed propaganda on the US side and on the Japanese side we were considered big huking hairy monsters that wanted to rape everyone in Japan. It worked both ways not sure I get the point.


The idea that the US engages in wars due to racial reasoning, rather than for self defense. He linked the American war in the pacific to he current war on islamic terror. And Hanks is not right.


:Broncos:

broncosteven
03-31-2010, 12:11 PM
The idea that the US engages in wars due to racial reasoning, rather than for self defense. He linked the American war in the pacific to he current war on islamic terror. And Hanks is not right.


:Broncos:

In that case he is misguided.

This is his 2nd mistake. His 1st was not centering Apollo 13 around Gene Kranz.

Houshyamama
03-31-2010, 12:13 PM
He did tell me once about how Japanese kamikazes attacked the fleet he was in. None of them hit the ship he was on.

That must have been a sight... sometimes it's hard to imagine that a war of that scale was fought just 60 some years ago.

broncosteven
03-31-2010, 12:16 PM
The idea that the US engages in wars due to racial reasoning, rather than for self defense. He linked the American war in the pacific to he current war on islamic terror. And Hanks is not right.


:Broncos:

Both started with attacks on US soil. Maybe that is what he meant and the rest got taken out of context. Maybe I am not reading his quotes right but I am not taken a back by them though I skimmed some parts of the article.

MOCRUSH
03-31-2010, 12:28 PM
Try "With the Old Breed" by E.B. Sledge (the sickly kid in the first three episodes who is determined to join the Marines)...makes Flags and Flyboys seem detached in comparison.

My interest in the pacific theater spiked a few years back after reading Flags of our Fathers, and Flyboys. While I bought them as a semi casual read, by the time I finished both of them, nothing was casual. Both books portray a BRUTAL war, on both sides of the lines. Im guessing that I either forgot much of my high school history class, or perhaps it was a little "slanted". Maybe a little of both. So now I've taken to reading more about WWII, and especially the conflict with the Japanese.

My father, now 94 served in the signal corps in the pacific, and wont say much at all about those years either.

jc[/QUOTE]

bpc
03-31-2010, 12:37 PM
Absolutely amazing show. Really brings you back to a day when men were men.

QFT. This country is a bunch of soft nancy's now.

"MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS A TROPHY! LEAVE NO CHILD BEHIND!"

SOFT!

worm
03-31-2010, 12:49 PM
I live a couple blocks from the D-Day museum. Highly recommended for any WWII junkie.

The focus on the Pacific Theater is impressive. Always learn something new when I go there.

Enjoying The Pacific..but agree with the character development comment. I am not personally invested a lot in any particular person yet like I was in BoB. Learning more about John Basilone has been cool though.

Mediator12
03-31-2010, 01:02 PM
Let's leave Hanks out of this. His politics have no bearing on the story and there are some extremely accurate memoirs being told here.

The levity of stealing the Captains Moccasins from his footlocker on the 'Canal is a real story. The way that the Americans were received in Australia afterwards was really well done. The way that the Marines had no idea the rest of the world considered them heroes for winning the first battles against the japanese in a decade on some out of the way island was well done. These were just a few of the great stories being revealed.

As for the continuity issues between the 101st airborne and the Marines being shown in The Pacific, you have to take into account that the European Theater only took the US involved part 18 months to win while the Pacific took a full three and a half years. The great battles and conflicts in the pacific were by so many different Marine units, unlike the 101st being the tip of the spear in all the major Western European operations including the Battle of the bulge for which they were ill equipped to handle in the dead of winter.

So, in order to do it justice, they took the lives of 3 well known Marines who had great stories and archives to research. It might take another 2 weeks to pull the whole story together as Sledge has not even made it to bootcamp yet, but it should tie together better the next few weeks.

BroncoLifer
03-31-2010, 01:03 PM
Anybody who studies what the Japanese did during that war would have no sympathy for them. The Japanese have engaged in a fifty year PR campaign to rewrite history, but the truth is they were no less barbarous and despicable than the Nazis, and maybe worse. They deserved Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Very true and well said.

Rohirrim
03-31-2010, 01:30 PM
I found The War lame and not one of his best.

You should check out "The World at War" I think the Military channel is running it non stop now. I saw it on DVD from the Library a couple years ago and remember when it was on back in the 70's. Great coverage of both theaters though more on European.

Plus Oliver narrates.

I own that series. One of the best ever. The music is very haunting.

BroncoLifer
03-31-2010, 01:39 PM
I own that series. One of the best ever. The music is very haunting.

I own it, too, and it is a good series. But it's also flawed in some respects -- for example, there's no mention of Bletchley Park or Ultra because that was not yet made public when the series was filmed.

My favorite interview is the one with Jimmy Stewart. Obviously a Hollywood mega star, he is identified on screen simply as "squadron comander."

broncosteven
03-31-2010, 01:58 PM
I own it, too, and it is a good series. But it's also flawed in some respects -- for example, there's no mention of Bletchley Park or Ultra because that was not yet made public when the series was filmed.

My favorite interview is the one with Jimmy Stewart. Obviously a Hollywood mega star, he is identified on screen simply as "squadron comander."

I have read a couple books on Bletchley and Ultra, some good some boring but the fact that they were able to break codes with cribs and espionage(sp?) was amazing. Breaking those codes meant the end of the wolfpacks.

Houshyamama
03-31-2010, 02:59 PM
An exceptionally good documentary is "The War" by Ken Burns. Just one of the best. Id highly recommend it to any WWII buff.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

BroncoLifer
03-31-2010, 03:12 PM
I have read a couple books on Bletchley and Ultra, some good some boring but the fact that they were able to break codes with cribs and espionage(sp?) was amazing. Breaking those codes meant the end of the wolfpacks.

True, but even more amazing is how Marian Rejewski (someone who deserves to be remembered far, far more than he actually is) figured out - by sheer brainpower - how to break the Enigma machine code in the first place.

Outside of the major figures like Churchill, Stalin , FDR, etc that one Polish guy probably contributed more to defeating Hitler than anyone. I've read accounts of how he did it and although I can't follow it all 100% it is incredible.

TotallyScrewed
03-31-2010, 03:17 PM
I found The War lame and not one of his best.

You should check out "The World at War" I think the Military channel is running it non stop now. I saw it on DVD from the Library a couple years ago and remember when it was on back in the 70's. Great coverage of both theaters though more on European.

Plus Oliver narrates.

I agree and I'll add that Burn's Civil War was outstanding.

Baba Booey
03-31-2010, 03:36 PM
WWII in HD is pretty badass as well. Some ridiculous never-before-seen color footage.

ScottXray
03-31-2010, 03:41 PM
The idea that the US engages in wars due to racial reasoning, rather than for self defense. He linked the American war in the pacific to he current war on islamic terror. And Hanks is not right.


:Broncos:

I didn't see any references to the Islamists in your quotes , and what he said
about the propaganda, and feelings of the American public, during WW2 was spot on. If he was referencing it to our current situation , he was wrong, as we always point out that Islam preaches peace as much as anything. Still the feeling in this country for a few weeks after 9-11 did run more to the 'nuke em till they glow" sentiment than anything else.

But, our whole press and entertainment industry during WW2 spent a lot of effort demonising the Japanese AND German soldiers.
No consideration was given to the Humanity of the general Japanese public until after the war. Hell, we even interned and locked up all Japanese in this country ( illegally), even ones born here, for most of the wars duration, stealing their property and land from them to boot. The only way out of those camps was to enlist, and those that did became the highest decorated unit in the army.

When our B29s were somewhat ineffective in hitting their targets we decided it was prudent to just saturation area bomb with incendiaries, no matter how many civilians we killed in the process. We didn't use those tactics in Europe, (although several times the fire storms that resulted from 1000 plane raids with normal bombs had the same result). 50-70000 or more civilians dead from one raid. That happened many times in Japan.

Yes, the Japanese were brutal and deserved the same treatment during war, especially one they started. And it will always be in question whether we should have used the bomb, as we did, or whether it was not really nescessary by then. The Japanese were essentially already defeated. Personally I think it was the right thing to do, as it showed them that we would destroy them utterly and completely if they fought on. It was the exclamation point that drove the situation truly home to their emperor.

At any rate, we haven't had a war since then of that type....TOTAL war.
Total commitment to defeating the enemy. Thank god.

Boobs McGee
03-31-2010, 03:48 PM
love the series so far. As it's been stated, and I agree, it doesn't feel like the characters have developed like they did in BoB, but after reading a few more people in the thread I assume it will.

My two favorite parts so far (well, because they made me feel things, not necessarily because of what was happening)...
The part where they're sitting on the beach at night, after having just held the section of beach, and they're all watching an explosive ship battle out in the ocean. One marine's pretty excited, KICK THEIR ASS! kind of stuff, and I remember thinking the same thing. Then, the next morning, they realize that it was their entire supply fleet that had been getting exterminated. I couldn't even IMAGINE what kind of feeling that must have been.

The other powerful one for me, was again in that first episode, when there was the one Japanese soldier who ended up getting caught in the river, and the marines basically began toying with him. Until that OTHer marine shot him to kind of put him out of his misery. War is hell, and I can't even begin to express how thankful I am for not having to go through that kind of carnage yet.

Great series so far!

broncosteven
03-31-2010, 04:10 PM
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When our B29s were somewhat ineffective in hitting their targets we decided it was prudent to just saturation area bomb with incendiaries, no matter how many civilians we killed in the process. We didn't use those tactics in Europe, (although several times the fire storms that resulted from 1000 plane raids with normal bombs had the same result). 50-70000 or more civilians dead from one raid. That happened many times in Japan.

Yes, the Japanese were brutal and deserved the same treatment during war, especially one they started. And it will always be in question whether we should have used the bomb, as we did, or whether it was not really nescessary by then. The Japanese were essentially already defeated. Personally I think it was the right thing to do, as it showed them that we would destroy them utterly and completely if they fought on. It was the exclamation point that drove the situation truly home to their emperor.

At any rate, we haven't had a war since then of that type....TOTAL war.
Total commitment to defeating the enemy. Thank god.

In that PBS American Experience documentary they talked about the B29's being developed specificly for the Pacific theater because they could stay aloft for 18 hours round trip including 2 hours over a target. When they found out that the bombing raids were ineffective because of the jet stream sending bombs up or down wind of the targets they changed from High Altitude to bombing runs from 5,000 feet with napalm blanketting a larger area.

Jason7730
03-31-2010, 04:26 PM
The way they treated POW's was just despicable.

I really like this series so far. The Japanese military were just about as bad as the Germans, just take a look at the Rape on Nanking to see what they would do when they invaded.

ScottXray
03-31-2010, 04:30 PM
In that PBS American Experience documentary they talked about the B29's being developed specificly for the Pacific theater because they could stay aloft for 18 hours round trip including 2 hours over a target. When they found out that the bombing raids were ineffective because of the jet stream sending bombs up or down wind of the targets they changed from High Altitude to bombing runs from 5,000 feet with napalm blanketting a larger area.

I saw an episode of the War on the military channel recently, where Curtis Lemay (general that decided to use the incendiaries and low level attacks with the B29s) was talking about the decision to drop the bombs. He said that, essentially, by the middle of August 45, even without the bomb, there would have been NO significant targets left on mainland Japan. The low level attacks proceeded because Japan essentially had no air force left and we had complete air superiority. They also had little Air defense artillery left also.

His plan was to just bomb them back to the stone age, even without Atomic weapons.

As far as the show goes, I have been enjoying it tremendously. Have burned all three episodes to DVD.

watermock
03-31-2010, 07:28 PM
My dad was a career Marine. He fought on Okinawa. Never said a word about it.

That's common.

German 88's would go thru one and and out the other to Shermans.

Shermans were called Ronsons, 'cause they lit up the first time, besides thin skin, they were gasoline engines.

Cecil followed Patton all the way to the Rhine.

All Patton wanted was to capture Berlin.

Archer81
03-31-2010, 07:32 PM
That's common.

German 88's would go thru one and and out the other to Shermans.

Shermans were called Ronsons, 'cause they lit up the first time, besides thin skin, they were gasoline engines.

Cecil followed Patton all the way to the Rhine.

All Patton wanted was to capture Berlin.


...Pacific, mock. Marines. tanks were not worth very much in island hopping warfare.


:Broncos:

watermock
03-31-2010, 08:02 PM
...Pacific, mock. Marines. tanks were not worth very much in island hopping warfare.


:Broncos:

Yeah, so McArther could wet his ankles.

Bypassing the Phippines and getting Tiniman for the 29's was more important than either the Phippines, Iwo or Okinowa..

ro_50
03-31-2010, 09:08 PM
I just finished watching Band of Brothers and it was perhaps the most moving THING I've watched in my entire life.

I'm starting the Pacific tomorrow! I can't wait! These guys are truly heroes and makes most of us realize that our trials and tribulations are not that major (the ones we self manifest and not the serious ones) because watching these heroes did what they did for our country, it makes you humble and thankful for what they did.

Baba Booey
03-31-2010, 09:27 PM
I'm 22 years old and watching this show makes me feel like the biggest bitch on Earth.

Archer81
03-31-2010, 10:43 PM
Yeah, so McArther could wet his ankles.

Bypassing the Phippines and getting Tiniman for the 29's was more important than either the Phippines, Iwo or Okinowa..


I agree on the Philippines. Iwo and Oki I disagree with you on. There were important. American possession of Japanese "Home Islands" is a psychological edge. Also having airbases within 500 miles of Tokyo helped, too.


:Broncos:

That One Guy
04-02-2010, 09:24 PM
OK, so I downloaded the first three episodes.

Not into it so far. I loved BoB. I thought BoB focused more on the mindset of the individuals, the person who had to endure not just getting ready for war but the mindgames and other struggles inherent in their daily lives. The struggle to prepare yourself for the unknown while having to struggle with in the moment obstacles as well.

This one seems to focus on the fight. I've seen the fight. The fight looks like every other war movie to me. Enemy attacks, friendlies fight, friendlies kill more of the enemy but a token character here and there get taken down along with a few friendly unknowns to illustrate that there were always casualties on both sides of the fence.

It did stir up personal emotions as many war movies for me do but it didn't hit me in the cockles the way BoB did. I'll keep watching to see if it develops better but very disappointed so far.

TomServo
04-03-2010, 01:23 AM
we could have "island hopped" over the phillipines but No we didnt. we spent men and capitol liberating them. so much for "us racist americans". did we enslave the japanese? no, we spent millions of $ democratizing them. Us racists bastards!

Baba Booey
04-26-2010, 10:03 AM
Thanks, Sledgehammer.

Baba Booey
05-02-2010, 07:01 PM
So John Basilone is pretty much my favorite American of all time.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-02-2010, 07:33 PM
I found that episode kinda out of place

Dukes
05-03-2010, 07:44 AM
So John Basilone is pretty much my favorite American of all time.

That is reserved for Chesty Puller.

jhat01
05-03-2010, 08:02 AM
That is reserved for Chesty Puller.

Can't argue with that..But let's not forget guys like

Smedly Butler
Ken Reusser
Gunny Hathcock

The list goes on and on. Semper Fi

Abqbronco
05-03-2010, 11:17 AM
QFT. This country is a bunch of soft nancy's now.

"MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS A TROPHY! LEAVE NO CHILD BEHIND!"

SOFT!

I coached a soccer team of 4 year olds and told the parents that I wasn't a "win at all cost" coach and that I wanted the kids to have fun. I then told them that winning is way more fun than losing. They all started clapping. We didn't lose a game that season. Everyone got a trophy but they freakin' earned it!

Baba Booey
05-09-2010, 07:20 PM
Another great episode tonight. Pretty absurd.

Next week, when they all get home, should be interesting to see.

JJJ
05-10-2010, 11:23 AM
My dad was a career Marine. He fought on Okinawa. Never said a word about it.

Same here. But his was Vietnam.

Lived on Pearl when I was a kid as he was the commander of the Marines there. Our quarters had bullet holes in it from the attack. Marine bases are great places to grow up on as a kid. Adventure everywhere.

Archer81
05-10-2010, 11:26 AM
Same here. But his was Vietnam.

Lived on Pearl when I was a kid as he was the commander of the Marines there. Our quarters had bullet holes in it from the attack. Marine bases are great places to grow up on as a kid. Adventure everywhere.


This.


Also, my grandfather was on two battleships blown out from underneath him by the Japanese. I only know that much because my grandmother told me. He never said a word about it.

:Broncos:

sisterhellfyre
05-10-2010, 11:44 AM
Another great episode tonight. Pretty absurd.

I've been collecting the series so far, and enjoying it... but only up to a point. At this point I'm not sure if I'm going to save it or not. I'm certainly not interested in buying a boxed DVD set.

I have no quibble at all with the portrayals of combat, the heroism of the Marines, the miserable conditions of jungle warfare. I believe it -- pretty much take it as a given -- that all the sailors, soldiers and Marines of WW2 made sacrifices that no generation before or since has even been able to touch. I'm also a student of military history from way back in grade school days.

In my opinion (and ONLY in my opinion, worth what you paid for it!), the series suffers greatly from a couple significant weaknesses. One is the overlong opening credits: week after week, the first seven minutes of the episode goes to "look at us, we're so clever" graphics and "yeah, this is serious" sonorous musical tribute. For seven minutes every week, by the end of the show, they could have done another whole episode. I would have accepted it all much more if they'd done the "Big Show" opening once or twice, at the start of the series, and then cut it back for the rest. As it is, I feel like I'm losing a significant amount of storytelling time.

The other weakness of the show is the amount of time spent on the home front. Especially the LOOONG segments on John Basilone. Again, no slight to his heroism, and the man was truly a badass on Guadalcanal, but his character as developed in the series is not strong enough for the amount of film spent on him. There are moments of great depth, like his obsessive driving golf balls until his hands bled, but not nearly enough of those moments.

I'm still watching and still curious to see how it all wraps up.