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Bronco Rob
03-25-2010, 02:27 AM
Seahawks biding their time


Seattle isn't in a hurry to complete a deal for Broncos' Marshall
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Posted: 03/25/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT


ORLANDO, Fla. — Seaplanes are great for show.

Steady negotiation is how Brandon Marshall will get his dough.

Marshall, the Broncos' restricted free-agent receiver, appears to have taken a step closer to the Seattle Seahawks this week.

Seattle coach Pete Carroll, at his first NFC coaches' breakfast Wednesday, spoke about his team's interest in Marshall.

"Knowing he has a chance to be available — just like any other aspect of building a football team — we're looking for the best guys we can possibly find," Carroll said. "See what we can do with him and see what his individual situation holds, and there's a chance you can find a way to get him."

Carroll said Seahawks GM John Schneider has talked with the Broncos and Marshall's agent Kennard McGuire, who was spotted Tuesday in the lobby of the Ritz-Carlton Grande Lakes hotel that was hosting the NFL owners' meetings.

"There has been some talk," Carroll said. "John has handled that so far. But it's very preliminary."

According to NFL executives familiar with the restricted free- agent process, protocol is for the Seahawks to first negotiate the framework of a new contract with Marshall, who has managed to set aside the occasional turbulence in his personal life to produce three consecutive 100-catch seasons. Only then would Seattle start compensation talks with the Broncos.

The Broncos began the restricted free-agent process on March 3 by slapping Marshall with a first-round tender that carries a $2.512 million salary for 2010. Marshall, though, is widely considered one of the league's top five receivers and is seeking a contract worth more than $10 million a year.

Should Seattle be willing to sign Marshall away, it would have to compensate the Broncos with a first-round draft pick. Seattle has two first-round picks, Nos. 6 and No. 14.

The Seahawks, though, don't appear in a rush to part with either first-round pick. There are ways of working outside the restricted free-agent process and executing a trade involving other compensation. But if Seattle refuses to budge off its insistence of keeping both first-round picks, it may have a difficult time satisfying the Broncos.

Seattle's next-highest draft choice is late in the second round, No. 60 overall. Even if Seattle throws in two fourth-round draft choices, the Broncos would want any compensation package for a player of Marshall's caliber to begin with something higher than No. 60.

If Marshall goes past the April 15 offer-sheet deadline without a deal from Seattle, other teams figure to become involved in the week leading up to the draft on April 22.

Would Redskins and former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan be interested in Marshall?

"You'll just have to wait and see," Shanahan said, smiling Wednesday. "Can't share that with you."

The Redskins would consider their No. 4 draft pick too much for Marshall, but their early second-round pick, No. 37 overall, might allow Shana- han to let bygones be bygones and strike a deal with his former team.

The Seahawks, though, are unquestionably the front-runner to employ Marshall for the 2010 season and beyond. They flew the two-time Pro Bowler and his fiancee, Michi Nogami-Campbell, into their headquarters by seaplane for a visit March 6-7.

Carroll's coaching staff in Seattle includes three of Marshall's former Broncos coaches — Jeremy Bates, Jedd Fisch and Pat McPherson.

"Those guys know what he can do to help us," Carroll said.




http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14752735

Paladin
03-25-2010, 03:03 AM
Everybody wants a bargain, but if enough teams are in the mix, then the price may rise. Again, I think the 14th and a 3rd would be the best deal they could hope for, althougn some other team not yet mentioned might do better with player and picks.....

Just don't know, and we probably won't know until draft day or just before. but the media and the bloggers are having fun puttiong him somewhere. They do not think Marshall has a chance to stay in Denver, but idk about that.........

Drek
03-25-2010, 03:19 AM
Everybody wants a bargain, but if enough teams are in the mix, then the price may rise. Again, I think the 14th and a 3rd would be the best deal they could hope for, althougn some other team not yet mentioned might do better with player and picks.....

Just don't know, and we probably won't know until draft day or just before. but the media and the bloggers are having fun puttiong him somewhere. They do not think Marshall has a chance to stay in Denver, but idk about that.........

The Seahawks don't have a 3rd this year if I recall correctly.

I'd take Hawthorne instead though, giving us some extra young competition at the ILB spot.

I'd also take #37 from Washington as long as they include their 3rd rounder as well, but only then.

OBF1
03-25-2010, 04:14 AM
What is all this, "I would take" crapola??? Like any of you have anything to say about anything Denver is going to do.

Sit back and see what happens like the rest of us, either way it is the biggest story Bronco fans have this off season.

eddie mac
03-25-2010, 04:39 AM
IMHO Washington can stick 37 up their ass and likewise the Seahawks with anything other than 14.

Anything outside the 15 pick in this draft leaves us a major offensive weapon short this season that will not be replaced via this draft and I dont see any other current Broncos receiver stepping up and taking Marshall's reigns, not now and not ever infact.

FireFly
03-25-2010, 04:53 AM
he'll be gone by the end of the draft

tsiguy96
03-25-2010, 05:28 AM
What is all this, "I would take" crapola??? Like any of you have anything to say about anything Denver is going to do.

Sit back and see what happens like the rest of us, either way it is the biggest story Bronco fans have this off season.

youre douchebag level rises by the day. literally. if there was a meter that showed how big a dbag you have been the last 2 weeks, it would be bordering on full.

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yerner
03-25-2010, 05:50 AM
What is all this, "I would take" crapola??? Like any of you have anything to say about anything Denver is going to do.

Sit back and see what happens like the rest of us, either way it is the biggest story Bronco fans have this off season.

Alright everybody, thats it, shows over! Close down the message board! It's a wrap.

ColoradoDarin
03-25-2010, 05:57 AM
youre douchebag level rises by the day. literally. if there was a meter that showed how big a dbag you have been the last 2 weeks, it would be bordering on full.

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That One Guy
03-25-2010, 06:08 AM
That's interesting, I believe the 37th pick was the one we used for Walker back in the day. Walker at the time was disgruntled and coming off a blown out knee. I'd like to think that wouldn't be a starting point.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-25-2010, 06:21 AM
I'd also take #37 from Washington as long as they include their 3rd rounder as well, but only then.

No 3rd, used that in the supplemental draft last summer.

broncswin
03-25-2010, 06:36 AM
IMHO Washington can stick 37 up their ass and likewise the Seahawks with anything other than 14.

Anything outside the 15 pick in this draft leaves us a major offensive weapon short this season that will not be replaced via this draft and I dont see any other current Broncos receiver stepping up and taking Marshall's reigns, not now and not ever infact.

Bingo:strong:

Flex Gunmetal
03-25-2010, 08:07 AM
IMHO Washington can stick 37 up their ass and likewise the Seahawks with anything other than 14.

Anything outside the 15 pick in this draft leaves us a major offensive weapon short this season that will not be replaced via this draft and I dont see any other current Broncos receiver stepping up and taking Marshall's reigns, not now and not ever infact.

Yessir.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-25-2010, 08:13 AM
IMHO Washington can stick 37 up their ass and likewise the Seahawks with anything other than 14.

Anything outside the 15 pick in this draft leaves us a major offensive weapon short this season that will not be replaced via this draft and I dont see any other current Broncos receiver stepping up and taking Marshall's reigns, not now and not ever infact.

Agreed. People seem to forget that Brandon is 25/26 years old and on a historic pace. Yes, he has some off the field problems, but come on, he's one of the 5 best receivers in the game and hasn't even entered his prime yet. And some people have the gall to suggest he's only worth a second rounder?

ColoradoBuff
03-25-2010, 08:30 AM
imho washington can stick 37 up their ass and likewise the seahawks with anything other than 14.

Anything outside the 15 pick in this draft leaves us a major offensive weapon short this season that will not be replaced via this draft and i dont see any other current broncos receiver stepping up and taking marshall's reigns, not now and not ever infact.


+1

Hercules Rockefeller
03-25-2010, 08:37 AM
IMHO Washington can stick 37 up their ass and likewise the Seahawks with anything other than 14.


They can shove it, but #37 means Seattle can't dick around and think #60 is going to get it done either.

missingnumber7
03-25-2010, 08:58 AM
So what happens if he waits until after the draft to go somewhere...we get picks next year?

gyldenlove
03-26-2010, 11:31 AM
IMHO Washington can stick 37 up their ass and likewise the Seahawks with anything other than 14.

Anything outside the 15 pick in this draft leaves us a major offensive weapon short this season that will not be replaced via this draft and I dont see any other current Broncos receiver stepping up and taking Marshall's reigns, not now and not ever infact.

One thing many people fail to consider is the virtual impossibility of trading Marshall during the draft. Unlike Javon Walker, Marshall is not under contract and can only be traded if he signs a contract, so unless you can call up Marshalls people, have them sign a contract and fax it to the NFL offices, have the NFL approve the contract and then complete the trade with the other team in the time between picks, you are looking at something that won't happen.

Walker could be traded because he was under contract so the only thing required to do that trade was for the two teams to agree, the player and the league didn't have to get involved.

I believe that if the offer sheet deadline passes the chances that Marshall plays anywhere else next year is negligible.

gyldenlove
03-26-2010, 11:31 AM
So what happens if he waits until after the draft to go somewhere...we get picks next year?

The deadline for him to go anywhere is a week before the draft - as has been posted a million times.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-26-2010, 12:10 PM
The deadline for him to go anywhere is a week before the draft - as has been posted a million times.

The deadline to sign him to an offer sheet is the week before the draft, the Broncos can trade him anytime after he signs the tender, including after the draft.

gyldenlove
03-26-2010, 12:13 PM
The deadline to sign him to an offer sheet is the week before the draft, the Broncos can trade him anytime after he signs the tender, including after the draft.

How likely do you think it is that he can work out a contract with another team in the week prior to the draft is he couldn't work out one by the signing deadline? I doubt the Broncos will take a 2011 pick so it does seem like the deal has to happen before the draft.

Beantown Bronco
03-26-2010, 12:16 PM
How likely do you think it is that he can work out a contract with another team in the week prior to the draft is he couldn't work out one by the signing deadline? I doubt the Broncos will take a 2011 pick so it does seem like the deal has to happen before the draft.

ummm, it's quite likely in fact that he could be traded for a combo of current players and future draft picks at any time post-draft. So, one week prior to the draft is hardly the drop dead deadline you're making it out to be.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-26-2010, 12:17 PM
How likely do you think it is that he can work out a contract with another team in the week prior to the draft is he couldn't work out one by the signing deadline? I doubt the Broncos will take a 2011 pick so it does seem like the deal has to happen before the draft.

I fully expect Marshall to sign his tender and get traded sometime during the draft.

gyldenlove
03-26-2010, 12:59 PM
ummm, it's quite likely in fact that he could be traded for a combo of current players and future draft picks at any time post-draft. So, one week prior to the draft is hardly the drop dead deadline you're making it out to be.

I just don't see it, no team has made a power play so far when they could get away with him for a 1st rounder no questions asked.

We don't need to move him so we are not giving him up without getting value the other way, so I don't think we are taking 2011 picks, so that puts a hard limit at draft day. I don't see how a team would suddenly get desperate between the signing deadline and the draft to put a package together that would entice the Broncos to accept a proposal as well as working out a deal with Marshall himself.

Again, I think it is pretty set that we are looking at a 2010 1st rounder, in value terms that is about equal to a 2011 1st round plus a 2012 1st rounder or a 2011 1st rounder and a good player (think definite starter who is 27 or younger and has a good contract). I don't see any team offering that up in the current market.

crush17
03-26-2010, 01:09 PM
so can he refuse to sign the tender? what does that mean if he doesn't sign it? I guess I must have missed that somewhere...

gyldenlove
03-26-2010, 01:17 PM
so can he refuse to sign the tender? what does that mean if he doesn't sign it? I guess I must have missed that somewhere...

Just means he won't get paid and won't play.

Paladin
03-26-2010, 02:10 PM
What is all this, "I would take" crapola??? Like any of you have anything to say about anything Denver is going to do.

Sit back and see what happens like the rest of us, either way it is the biggest story Bronco fans have this off season.

Spoilsport......

Spoutng crapola is a time honored American tradition stated by Whigs and continued this day by politicians, revivalists, used car salesmen and posters on teh Orangemane. We here are participaing in our cultural heritage.....

So there.