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baja
03-19-2010, 09:04 AM
Families in U.S Suburbs Going Feral?

Originally posted by Dmitry Orlov to the ClubOrlov.Blogspot.com

Another guest post. Translated from the Russian by Your Humble Narrator. It's a letter sent in by one young, once optimistic Russian who finds himself marooned in some blighted Boston exurb in southern New Hampshire. -Dmitry

Dear Dmitry,

I hope you don't mind that this is in Russian. I think that this way I can be more completely honest. I am a relatively recent graduate of one of the many faceless post-Soviet institutions of higher learning, with a degree in philosophy. Last year I moved to the USA and married an American woman.

The question of when the modern capitalist system is going to collapse has interested me since my student years, and I have approached it from various directions: from the commonplace conspiracy theories to the serious works of Oswald Spengler and Noam Chomsky. Unfortunately, I still can't fathom what it is that is keeping this system going.

My wife is a very pleasant woman, but a typical white conservative American. Whenever any political question comes up, she starts ranting about the Constitution and calling herself a libertarian conservative and a constitutionalist. I used to think that she is well-educated and understands what she is talking about. In fact, she is the one who introduced me to the US, and I once believed everything she told me about it. But as I found out later, she understands nothing about politics, and just repeats various bits of populist nonsense spouted by Severin, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and other mass media clowns. Well, I am not going to try to prove to my wife that she is wrong on a subject that I don't quite understand myself. After all, she is a good wife. And so I try to steer clear of any political questions when I am with the family, although I do not always succeed. Perhaps if I had a copy of your book, it would help me explain myself to her better, but our family was one of the first to be flattened by the real estate market collapse. My wife went bankrupt, lost her bank account, house, job and the rest a while before I came here, and so we can't buy anything online.

In the talk you gave at the conference in Ireland you mentioned that there are certain regions of the US where the common people only eat garbage food from places like Walmart, which consists of artificial colors and flavors and corn, and that such a diet makes them "a little bit crazy." To my utter disappointment, I have to entirely agree with you. Various witty Russian commentators love to heap ridicule on the "dumb Americans" and on the USA as a generally stupid country. But if they spent a bit of time living here and paid closer attention, they would realize that it is not the low cultural level that distinguishes Americans from, say, Russians: both are, on average, quite beastly. But even when I've visited here before, as a student, my first impression was of a country that is full of madmen, ranging from somewhat mentally competent to total lunatics. And the further south I traveled, the more obvious this became. At first I even marveled at this, thinking, look at how intoxicating the spirit of liberty can be! But now I understand that this is a catastrophe, that American society is brainwashed and alienated in the extreme, and that all that's left for Americans to do is to play each other for the suckers that they have become.

Unfortunately, I feel the pernicious influence of all this on my own family right here and now. You don't have to be a brilliant visionary to realize that in the current situation all these endless suburbs, built on the North American model, are slowly but surely turning into mass graves for the millions of former members of the middle class. Those that do not turn into mass graves will become nature preserves - stocked with wild animals that were once human. My family is turning feral under my very eyes. Lack of resources has forced us to live according to the Soviet model - three generations under one roof. There are six of us, of which only one works, who is, consequently, exasperated and embittered. The rest of the household is gradually going insane from idleness and boredom. The television is never turned off. The female side of the family has been sucked into social networks and associated toys. Everyone is cultivating their own special psychosis, and periodically turns vicious. In these suburbs, a person without a car is as if without legs, and joblessness does not allow any of us to earn money for gas, and so the house is almost completely isolated from the outside world. The only information that seeps in comes from the lying mass media. And I understand that millions of families throughout America live this way! This is how people turn into "teabaggers," while their children join street gangs.

For me, as for you, this is the second collapse. You had left USSR before it happened, while I was there to observe it as a child. I saw what happened when people were finally told that they were being had for seventy-odd years, and were offered a candy bar as consolation. Now, after all this, Russian society is finished. It grieves me to see the faces of Americans, who still believe something and wave their Constitution about, and to know that the same thing is about to happen to them. I think that the model which you have proposed will allow us to confront and to survive this collapse with dignity.

Kaylore
03-19-2010, 09:10 AM
There's the debbie-downer Baja I know!

baja
03-19-2010, 09:13 AM
There's the debbie-downer Baja I know!


Hey don't shoot the messenger, I don't live in Suburbia so I have no idea what things are like there.

no-pseudo-fan
03-19-2010, 09:23 AM
Very Nice.

Not included in this article: Everyone and everything you ever loved will die, and you will also die.

baja
03-19-2010, 09:24 AM
Very Nice.

Not included in this article: Everyone and everything you ever loved will die, and you will also die.

I have decided not to die.

baja
03-19-2010, 09:27 AM
It must be scary to be living dependent on the network of systems that are collapsing all around.

Kaylore
03-19-2010, 09:31 AM
Hey don't shoot the messenger, I don't live in Suburbia so I have no idea what things are like there.
Yeah we noticed with this comment.
It must be scary to be living dependent on the network of systems that are collapsing all around.

I know you're out of the country and you live in a relative paradise where you're at, Baja. And the US is definitely going through some fierce economic trouble. If a Republican was in the White House it would be all over every newspaper. However let me assure you that we still have running water and the grocery stores still have food. It hasn't quite turned into The Road Warrior yet. However as soon as it gets to where I need to strap on some tire armor to get to work because tranny's are trying to hit me junkyard morning stars hanging out of dune buggies, I'll make sure I post something on here about it.

bronco militia
03-19-2010, 09:39 AM
Yeah we noticed with this comment.


I know you're out of the country and you live in a relative paradise where you're at, Baja. And the US is definitely going through some fierce economic trouble. If a Republican was in the White House it would be all over every newspaper. However let me assure you that we still have running water and the grocery stores still have food. It hasn't quite turned into The Road Warrior yet. However as soon as it gets to where I need to strap on some tire armor to get to work because tranny's are trying to hit me junkyard morning stars hanging out of dune buggies, I'll make sure I post something on here about it.

FYI...baja lost his sense of humor years ago

Rohirrim
03-19-2010, 09:54 AM
Dmitry, you've got to go outside and rub a little sunshine on your face. ;D

baja
03-19-2010, 09:55 AM
Yeah we noticed with this comment.


I know you're out of the country and you live in a relative paradise where you're at, Baja. And the US is definitely going through some fierce economic trouble. If a Republican was in the White House it would be all over every newspaper. However let me assure you that we still have running water and the grocery stores still have food. It hasn't quite turned into The Road Warrior yet. However as soon as it gets to where I need to strap on some tire armor to get to work because tranny's are trying to hit me junkyard morning stars hanging out of dune buggies, I'll make sure I post something on here about it.

Things are far from good here Kaylore. Tourism is off by at least 50%.I would guess unemployment is over 20% and rising, all construction has stopped. Crime is way up especially home break ins. Lately some very bad actors from the border gangs have been found hiding here. There have been kidnappings (several). Personally I have not worked for over 2 years, partly by choice and partly to focus on my ranch.

I truly hope the US figures a way to become fully functional again because it is true that " So goes the USA so goes the rest of the industrialized nations".

baja
03-19-2010, 09:57 AM
FYI...baja lost his sense of humor years ago

Not true, in fact you could not be further from the truth on that one BM. ;D

bronco militia
03-19-2010, 09:59 AM
Not true, in fact you could not be further from the truth on that one BM. ;D

hopefully I'm wrong

watermock
03-19-2010, 10:03 AM
Intersting. But not enlightening unless you're allready polarized.

First, why is he here? Is a Male Russian clone of I married a Russian wife? and was he dissapointed he arrived during the initial colapse?

This isn't the land of milk and honey, but it still should be without the corruption in
Govenment, the financial olicarchy and the underground economy of drugs.

So he's in some blighted Boston suburb.

Considering Putin's buddies have made themselves billions and the conference was in Iceland, you would think he would start to undertand the influence of NMC's and the IMC on America.

Personally, I think his dillusionment still isn't focused, but he knows something is very wrong.

baja
03-19-2010, 10:07 AM
What do you think is wrong Mock?

watermock
03-19-2010, 10:08 AM
What do you think is wrong Mock?

The immigrant or America?

no-pseudo-fan
03-19-2010, 10:13 AM
America: The Land of Immigrants that hate immigrants.

Garcia Bronco
03-19-2010, 10:13 AM
Only if Baja stays in Mexico. :P

no-pseudo-fan
03-19-2010, 10:15 AM
I have decided not to die.

What my previous experiences have shown me is that I will never die. I haven't died so far, so why should I die?:afro:

baja
03-19-2010, 10:16 AM
Mock,

The global financial (credit) crisis and the seemingly break down of many systems, monetary, government (state and federal), health care, real food production, out of control corporations etc

baja
03-19-2010, 10:17 AM
What my previous experiences have shown me is that I will never die. I haven't died so far, so why should I die?:afro:


Also depends on how you define "I".

Garcia Bronco
03-19-2010, 10:17 AM
It must be scary to be living dependent on the network of systems that are collapsing all around.

Systems always collapse. Everything has a half-life, meaning all things end. Something else will just take its place though.

baja
03-19-2010, 10:20 AM
Systems always collapse. Everything has a half-life, meaning all things end. Something else will just take its place though.

Well we are in agreement there Garcia. It's the transition from one system to the next that is the attention getter.

baja
03-19-2010, 10:22 AM
Only if Baja stays in Mexico. :P

Nope, I'll be in SD for half of April and May. August and Sept. in NE

Garcia Bronco
03-19-2010, 10:23 AM
Well we are in agreement there Garcia. It's the transition from one system to the next that is the attention getter.

No doubt, I think well survice.

baja
03-19-2010, 10:33 AM
No doubt, I think well survive.

No only will we survive but I believe we are on the threshold of a quantum leap in conciseness. The old unsustainable systems will be replaced with a new level of understanding and cooperation that has never been experienced on earth before. How we get there is the interesting question.

watermock
03-19-2010, 10:34 AM
Mock,

The global financial (credit) crisis and the seemingly break down of many systems, monetary, government (state and federal), health care, real food production, out of control corporations etc

Oh, THAT!

Obama has allready taken care of the casino. It's back up and running with zero percent at the window and 23 trillion in free money..

Military is humming along 2.

After health care comes immigration "reform".

'cause ya know, Americans won't work for peanuts, (at least I won't). Ha!

The FED owns about 2/3's of the banking now, up from 1/3 10 years ago,nd the government the other 1/3. Mainly borrowed money.

****, this whole economy is debt based!

That's why weoesn't make **** but grain and meat and coal.

We are turning into a 3rd world country.

watermock
03-19-2010, 10:36 AM
No only will we survive but I believe we are on the threshold of a quantum leap in conciseness. The old unsustainable systems will be replaced with a new level of understanding and cooperation that has never been experienced on earth before. How we get there is the interesting question.
How amusing.

How will this happen?

Jesus Christ? I know that isn't your answer.

watermock
03-19-2010, 10:37 AM
Do the TAO?

baja
03-19-2010, 10:42 AM
How amusing.

How will this happen?

Jesus Christ? I know that isn't your answer.

Start here;

http://www.andrewharvey.net/moreTheHope.php

Than read this;

http://www.andrewharvey.net/GRAPHICS/large_thehope.jpg

IHaveALight
03-19-2010, 10:52 AM
I see one of two ways. A long drawn out proccess (100's of years) slowly evovling past our current belief system. Or it's going to take the world suddenly colapsing as we know it. "Armaggedon" type collapse where the survivors will be forced to see the current flawed ways of human existence and in turn evolve into higher conscious.

Rohirrim
03-19-2010, 11:04 AM
Okay, Dmitry. I'll try again. Go inside and rub some sunshine on your face. ;D

watermock
03-19-2010, 11:08 AM
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baja
03-19-2010, 11:10 AM
I see one of two ways. A long drawn out proccess (100's of years) slowly evovling past our current belief system. Or it's going to take the world suddenly colapsing as we know it. "Armaggedon" type collapse where the survivors will be forced to see the current flawed ways of human existence and in turn evolve into higher conscious.

Under current systems we do not have "Hundreds of years".

watermock
03-19-2010, 11:11 AM
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baja
03-19-2010, 11:15 AM
For example;

US Top soil 75% eroded away. Measurable nutritional value of vegetables drastically down, 400% in some cases (spinach).

It is getting harder and harder for the average person to find nourishing food.

Rohirrim
03-19-2010, 11:16 AM
For example;

US Top soil 75% eroded away. Measurable nutritional value of vegetables drastically down, 400% in some cases (spinach).

It is getting harder and harder for the average person to find nourishing food.

Link?

Eldorado
03-19-2010, 11:21 AM
Sneaky thread title.

Eldorado
03-19-2010, 11:22 AM
http://www.fileitunder.com/uploaded_images/panic-767792.gif

Eldorado
03-19-2010, 11:23 AM
http://www.8asuperfriends.com/gallery/albums/album27/everybody_panic.jpg

Eldorado
03-19-2010, 11:25 AM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/stills/EVERYBODY_PANIC.flv.jpg

Eldorado
03-19-2010, 11:25 AM
http://therealbarackobama.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/sky-is-falling.jpg

Eldorado
03-19-2010, 11:26 AM
http://www.strangevehicles.com/images/content/13829.JPG

watermock
03-19-2010, 11:26 AM
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm

Beantown Bronco
03-19-2010, 11:31 AM
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watermock
03-19-2010, 11:32 AM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/stills/EVERYBODY_PANIC.flv.jpg

Amusing.

I was made to take the 07 flu shot and then 4 weeks after I visited the doctor I go the flu.

We never got the swine flu, it was just a precursor for control or either resistance or vulnerability for the next bio-engineered threat.

I chose not o take it, nor my mom.

Carmelo15
03-19-2010, 11:32 AM
America: The Land of Immigrants that hate immigrants.
Haha I like this. Sad thing is most Americans are too ignorant to comprehend this.

IHaveALight
03-19-2010, 11:34 AM
Under current systems we do not have "Hundreds of years".

I agree with that, it needs to happen now. Don’t really see it happening now without chaos though. Maybe it could take a Buddha or Jesus like spiritual guide to emerge. But I’m pretty sure religious extremists wouldn’t allow that to happen.

Eldorado
03-19-2010, 11:43 AM
I was made to take the 07 flu shot and then 4 weeks after I visited the doctor I go the flu.
We never got the swine flu, it was just a precursor for control or either resistance or vulnerability for the next bio-engineered threat.


Holy shyt-nuts, batman!

Dukes
03-19-2010, 11:56 AM
Haha I like this. Sad thing is most Americans are too ignorant to comprehend this.

No, It's a BS statement. American's don't hate Immigrants. Immigrants are what made this country special. This is an entirely different topic, but the people coming here today aren't assimilating to America like people in the past. They have no intention or desire of becoming Americans. They are simply coming here for money, and sending it back to Mexico in a lot of cases.

broncosteven
03-19-2010, 12:06 PM
Name one Country on Earth that doesn't have a lot of problems.

watermock
03-19-2010, 12:08 PM
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29 Palms, secret base and cool movie.

WolfpackGuy
03-19-2010, 12:08 PM
They are simply coming here for money, and sending it back to Mexico in a lot of cases.

Don't forget their children born on US soil who are now CITIZENS and are entitled to free education K-12.

I wish someone would put a dollar amount on that burden.

Dukes
03-19-2010, 12:10 PM
Don't forget their children born on US soil who are now CITIZENS and are entitled to free education K-12.

I wish someone would put a dollar amount on that burden.

That's a law that's been abused like no other. Needs to be changed

watermock
03-19-2010, 12:14 PM
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/tunnels2.html

The Jicarilla Apache Indians believe that their ancestors emerged from the caverns in ancient times. When they emerged they were plagued by monsters [saurians?]. Some wanted to go back down but once their hero's slew all of the monsters, all was at peace [ironically the Dulce underground network is now reportedly under the control of some of the very 'monsters' or 'reptilians' that they may have succeeded in driving underground]. source: MYTHS & TALES OF THE JICARILLA APACHE INDIANS, by Morris E. Opler
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DULCE [JICARILLA APACHE RESERVATION] - In the town of Dulce in NW New Mexico, one block from the PAN AM building is the old high school, now used as an engineering facility by MAKEN & HANGER [originally ZIA Corp.]. Inside the facility is an elevator that leads to Level-1 of the massive underground facility beneath the Dulce area which is also known as "Ultra" or "Section-D", which runs under main street at a depth of about 200 feet. This level is guarded by PROFORCE Security, whereas deeper and more secure levels under the Archuleta mesa to the north contain automatic devices designed to KILL intruders. Dulce is by far the most massive and most strategic of all of the underground "hubs" of the joint military-industrial / alien imperial collaboration in North America, with numerous tube-tunnels radiating to all parts of the continent and beyond. source: ALIEN MAGIC, by William F. Hamilton; The Dulce Book; Map of Dulce, New Mexico

The Dulce, New Mexico Base
An underground Military Base/Laboratory in Dulce, New Mexico connects with the underground network of tunnels which honeycombs our planet, and the lower levels of this base are allegedly under the control of Inner Earth beings or Aliens. This base is connected to Los Alamos research facilities via an underground "tube-shuttle." (It can be assumed that such a shuttle way would be a straight-line construction. It should then be possible, by using maps and some deduction, to determine the most likely location of this base, especially since the general location is already known.) Beginning in 1947, a road was built near the Dulce Base, under the cover of a lumber company. No lumber was ever hauled, and the road was later destroyed. Navajo Dam is the Dulce Base's main source of power, though a second source is in El Vado (which is also another entrance). (Note: The above facts should also help to locate the base.) Most of the lakes near Dulce were made via government grants "for" the Indians. (Note: The September, 1983 issue of Omni (Pg. 80) has a color drawing of 'The Subterrene,' the Los Alamos nuclear-powered tunnel machine that burrows through the rock, deep underground, by heating whatever stone it encounters into molten rock, which cools after the Subterrene has moved on. The result is a tunnel with a smooth, glazing lining.)" (Note: Where would the molten rock go? And what has been done with this concept since 1983?)

Bechtel (BECK-tul) is a super secret international corporate octopus, founded in 1898. Some say the firm is really a 'Shadow Government's working arm of the CIA. It is the largest Construction and Engineering outfit in the U.S.A and the World (and some say, beyond)." "The most important posts in U.S.A. Government are held by former Bechtel Officers. There are over 100 Secret Exits near and around Dulce. Many around Archuleta Mesa, others to the source around Dulce Lake and even as far east as Lindrich. Deep sections of the Complex connect into natural Cavern Systems. (Note: The elevators, lights, and doors at Dulce Base are all magnetically controlled.)



Heh...
http://toddjumper.com/dulce/X-MCAMBL.html

watermock
03-19-2010, 12:22 PM
That's a law that's been abused like no other. Needs to be changed

Amnesty is illegal other than extrodinary circumstance.

Just illegal entry does't cut it.

watermock
03-19-2010, 12:24 PM
Mexicans , the first thing they do is breed to make their bastards eligible for guaranteed citizenship.

Rohirrim
03-19-2010, 12:33 PM
Name one Country on Earth that doesn't have a lot of problems.

Gondor

watermock
03-19-2010, 12:43 PM
The Elves, Frodo and Bilbo.

baja
03-19-2010, 12:56 PM
Mexicans , the first thing they do is breed to make their bastards eligible for guaranteed citizenship.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_world's_fastest_growing_race

Practice your spanish Mock.

Have you ever noticed all the western states that have Spanish named cities and towns, how'd that happen Mock???

Houshyamama
03-19-2010, 01:02 PM
Hey don't shoot the messenger, I don't live in Suburbia so I have no idea what things are like there.

Baja, come on...

This article is very clever, but way off the mark.

This clever, intellectually superior Russian's naive wife is a libertarian?

Doesn't that set off red flags? Go through this article again and really THINK about what the author's intention is. Pick it apart. He separates himself from reality on multiple occasions and makes illogical jumps. It's all very clever but has no real basis in reality.

I'm not a republican or conservative. Just so you know.

Dagmar
03-19-2010, 01:07 PM
Mexicans , the first thing they do is breed to make their bastards eligible for guaranteed citizenship.

Sir, you are and always have been an absolute racist ****.

watermock
03-19-2010, 01:09 PM
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_world's_fastest_growing_race

Practice your spanish Mock.

Have you ever noticed all the western states that have Spanish named cities and towns, how'd that happen Mock???

Meh, yeah, I've heard of the Spanish/American war. Ever heard of Teddy?

I know enough Spanish. It's Mexican I worry about.

Spain has been sold and brokered into a failed state, putting their resources into solar instead of nuclear..

Houshyamama
03-19-2010, 01:11 PM
Families in U.S Suburbs Going Feral?

Originally posted by Dmitry Orlov to the ClubOrlov.Blogspot.com

Another guest post. Translated from the Russian by Your Humble Narrator. It's a letter sent in by one young, once optimistic Russian who finds himself marooned in some blighted Boston exurb in southern New Hampshire. -Dmitry

Dear Dmitry,

I hope you don't mind that this is in Russian. I think that this way I can be more completely honest. I am a relatively recent graduate of one of the many faceless post-Soviet institutions of higher learning, with a degree in philosophy. Last year I moved to the USA and married an American woman.

The question of when the modern capitalist system is going to collapse has interested me since my student yearsA loaded statement, and I have approached it from various directions: from the commonplace conspiracy theories to the serious works of Oswald Spengler and Noam Chomsky. Unfortunately, I still can't fathom what it is that is keeping this system goingAgain, offers no real logic or really an argument at all, pure sensationalism.

My wife is a very pleasant woman, but a typical white conservative American. Whenever any political question comes up, she starts ranting about the Constitution and calling herself a libertarian conservative and a constitutionalist. I used to think that she is well-educated and understands what she is talking about. In fact, she is the one who introduced me to the US, and I once believed everything she told me about it. But as I found out later, she understands nothing about politicsClever, compare libertarians to ignorant women. Again, no argument at all. no facts, no logic, and just repeats various bits of populist nonsense spouted by Severin, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and other mass media clowns. Well, I am not going to try to prove to my wife that she is wrong on a subject that I don't quite understand myselfHis only honest sentence. After all, she is a good wife. And so I try to steer clear of any political questions when I am with the family, although I do not always succeed. Perhaps if I had a copy of your book, it would help me explain myself to her better, but our family was one of the first to be flattened by the real estate market collapse. My wife went bankrupt, lost her bank account, house, job and the rest a while before I came here, and so we can't buy anything onlineWoe is me.

In the talk you gave at the conference in Ireland you mentioned that there are certain regions of the US where the common people only eat garbage food from places like Walmart, which consists of artificial colors and flavors and corn, and that such a diet makes them "a little bit crazy."WTF? do you just read and accept this drivel? To my utter disappointment, I have to entirely agree with you. Various witty Russian commentators love to heap ridicule on the "dumb Americans" and on the USA as a generally stupid country. But if they spent a bit of time living here and paid closer attention, they would realize that it is not the low cultural level that distinguishes Americans from, say, Russians: both are, on average, quite beastlySpeak for yourself, Russia. But even when I've visited here before, as a student, my first impression was of a country that is full of madmen, ranging from somewhat mentally competent to total lunaticsWhy are you still reading this?. And the further south I traveled, the more obvious this became. At first I even marveled at this, thinking, look at how intoxicating the spirit of liberty can be!Bow before Stalin But now I understand that this is a catastrophe, that American society is brainwashed and alienated in the extreme, and that all that's left for Americans to do is to play each other for the suckers that they have becomeLet's all just give up.

Unfortunately, I feel the pernicious influence of all this on my own family right here and now. You don't have to be a brilliant visionary to realize that in the current situation all these endless suburbs, built on the North American model, are slowly but surely turning into mass graves for the millions of former members of the middle classAgain, no facts, no real observations, just drivel. Those that do not turn into mass graves will become nature preserves - stocked with wild animals that were once human. My family is turning feral under my very eyes. Lack of resources has forced us to live according to the Soviet model - three generations under one roof. There are six of us, of which only one works, who is, consequently, exasperated and embittered. The rest of the household is gradually going insane from idleness and boredom. The television is never turned off. The female side of the family has been sucked into social networks and associated toys. Everyone is cultivating their own special psychosis, and periodically turns viciousI know of NO ONE who lives like this. In these suburbs, a person without a car is as if without legs, and joblessness does not allow any of us to earn money for gas, and so the house is almost completely isolated from the outside world. The only information that seeps in comes from the lying mass media. And I understand that millions of families throughout America live this way! This is how people turn into "teabaggers," while their children join street gangs.

For me, as for you, this is the second collapse. You had left USSR before it happened, while I was there to observe it as a child. I saw what happened when people were finally told that they were being had for seventy-odd years, and were offered a candy bar as consolation. Now, after all this, Russian society is finished. It grieves me to see the faces of Americans, who still believe something and wave their Constitution about, and to know that the same thing is about to happen to them. I think that the model which you have proposed will allow us to confront and to survive this collapse with dignity.America has a lot of problems, but this retard has no idea what he's talking about

come on

watermock
03-19-2010, 01:20 PM
Final interview with Paul Benniwitz

FINAL OF INTERVIEW WITH PAUL BENNEWITZ
By Jim McCampbell

He telephones shortly after noon today, July 17, 1984, and excused himself then to close the office door. I suggested I would use that time to pick up some note paper, which I did. He indicated that in a separate incident; it must have been a court order or something like that, to Kodak Corp. to intercept some of his film; to either take it or copy it. He has a secret report where apparently his pictures that were missing are included. There are some reference numbers involved there and also including his case number. He is going to be sending me that information. He asked if MUFON would search it out and I said I couldn't say, although I might have sufficient interest to pursue it myself, and asked why he would not do it and he said that "perhaps somebody else could be more successful." This material came to him anonymously and I'm being very specific because it has some bearing on a piece of paper that we know about in northern California. "It is a piece of paper," quote. It describes this film and the tests that were performed on them, being very sophisticated. He indicated something else about a case number and referring to intelligence groups access, to a very highly classified--up in the 20 hundreds, which is a reference figure that I am not familiar with. The Air Force has claimed that this document is a forgery. The former Major Edwards is now a Lt. Colonel.

Paul offered, because he just voluntarily offered this information that Edwards is at Hann AFB in Germany and his home telephone number is ________. (On 1-8-86 he was Vice Commander AF Security in Albuquerque.) He is in charge of security there and has around 500 people. He said that Edwards might be somewhat reticent to speak freely because he knows that the National Security Agency monitors all the international calls.

I inquired about the other bases that were referred to in the Stigmata report or article. He said all that he knew that one was to the south, one to the west and one to the east and he doesn't want to know anything more about it.

I discussed the prospect of using the paper in the MUFON 1984 Proceedings to try to find the center of gravity for the mutilation cases from those maps that run from about 1972 to 1982 or 1983. The word gravity triggered in his mind another connection having to do with the Department of Interior that has a gravity department and they do in fact survey the US and publish maps indicating the gravity contours. There is a very weak gravity at the site near Dulce. He said that the craft are very sensitive to the gravity levels and that suggested that perhaps the other sites might also be located relative to weak gravity.

He indicated that the objects fly in a wobbly way. His pictures have shown that. He says "like the rocking of a boat." He has measured many right angle turns and also full 180 degree turns in a 20th of a second with the object still inside of the bow-wave. He has also observed and photographed the object or lights moving in a triangular pattern and square patterns. He says high powered radar can interfere with them.

I reported on the meeting that we had on Sunday afternoon and raised some of the questions that came out of that meeting. One of them was why not remove the implant? He said that this had been discussed and the lady witness finds that acceptable if she can be assured that there can be no nerve damage. He then went into great detail, which exceeds my knowledge of anatomy, in describing the location of the implants. One appears to be adjacent to and external to the cortex, which I think he indicated was at the base of the brain. The image in the CAT scan is of a very small helix, like it was joining two major nerves near the spinal column. Then on the lateral right side from the back, there is an implant of perhaps like the one above. Another is on the left side. Two others are on the forward part of the skull, which appear to be small 2 millimeter electrodes against the radial nerve. There is a shape to these things which he indicated is like a baby bottle nipple upside down, not the cap part, but just the nipple itself. (A note from Bennewitz: This shape is not the implants which are just round disks. ([On the top part of the skull]) The nipple things are worn externally as pick offs by the alien.)

(I raised the question of the USSR satellites seeing the base) He acknowledged that, and also that ours can certainly see it. He had a discussion with an OSI Photo Analyst who indicated that he had seen tracks up a hill and a launch location that was definitely not a rock but some kind of artificial construction. On the hazard of entering the area, I asked about that. He said that there is a risk if we went in on foot, but if a person tried to do that likely that the people would "zap" them. The odds are one might be accosted. But he thinks a helicopter would be safe. But what he wants to do is to do additional surveillance, then go in with a group. The larger number of people the better. A highway patrolman, a friend of his, is ready to go in at any time. He says one can't act on impulse. You have to plan out a program. He said four times he had near encounters and one was with this Major Edwards. He asked them mentally to be picked up. They were apparently scanning him. He doesn't "receive" anything mentally. He asked them to blink their force field twice if they were willing to do it and all four UFOs under surveillance did blink twice. He asked to be picked up on Sunday if he received one blink from all four UFOs, which were reported about 300 ft. from each other. He took this to mean "no." He asked if they were not authorized and he got a similar response. This established a code system by which some further communication was accomplished.

At some later time, an agreement had been reached for a meeting. He was on his roof and observed a UFO on the ground near an outer fence of the base. (This appears to be in reference to a government reservation.) An agreement seemed to have been reached to meet at the Northeast corner of the inner compound. Major Edwards picked him up and they went to this meeting place. He said "don't use the radio." They encountered two guards in India Section who had been ordered to fire upon anything that moves. They stopped their jeep and walked into the desert. There had been a miscalculation and they were in the wrong place. On three other occasions on some property he owns on 95 acres, UFOs came within 400 yards of him during daylight. Apparently, both he and the aliens "chickened out" on a definite meeting. We had a recorder at one time and waited until after dark (8:00 p.m.) and then pulled back for he said his voice on the recorder showed confusion. He said you monitor yourself constantly for confusion and psychological variations.
I asked who was flying the UFOs? He said aliens. He says they call the implants "alterations."
He thinks something should be done about all this and quick. UFO activity is still going on all around Albuquerque. It is hard to separate their activity from ground lights because they move slowly at less than 200 ft. Elevation, particularly over West Mesa where a lot of lovers go.

He has been observing that area with binoculars and then he talked about rotating the binoculars. (I inquired about this in some length.) If you rotate the ends of the binoculars, you will get vertical stripes that represent 60 cycle input to the light. For airplanes, you get 400 cycles -- you get the same type of bright stripes with different separation. On DC one sees only a spread out change their positions so apparently what he calls the MPS (manipulations per sequence/second) changes its frequency on a periodic basis, I guess. The MPS is visible on film in color at night. I suggested I would be helpful if he had a photographic record oft this spec and he said that this could never be possible. (Note from Bennewitz: What I meant was the binocular phenomena had to be observed. Photographing the phenomena would be difficult through binoculars.)

I inquired about his business and his solid state physics. I told him that was my bag too and I studied physics at night school in years after college and got just up to doctoral level, but never got a Ph.D. because I was skipping around the country trying to maximize my income and raise three children. He said that was his experience also. Specifically being temperature and humidity devises. Their equipment has been on the shuttle and most of their business is with the top 500 corporations.

His company is by Sandia on 1/2 acre and now building an additional 3500 sq. ft. building. There is another organization called Bennewitz Laboratory which is the research arm of Thunder Science Corporation owned 0% by the latter and operated by his three sons. They have invented a hearing device that has no moving parts that makes totally deaf people able to hear and in addition, expanding the frequency range plus 1000 Hz on the high side and down to less than 10 Hz on the low frequency end.

He said that he got involved in all of this merely as a hobby and it became an obsession. He simply wanted to know what was going on and to develop instrumentation to measure data, etc. Since the signals from the UFOs are very low frequency, down around 200 Hz and with an analyzer you just think you are looking at some noise. But I believe he said it was a memory scope that was able to filter out the signal involved there whereas ordinary filters do not. They trigger signals in an on and off fashion, instead of 0 and 1 volt representing that type of communication or signal a distinction is made between a narrow pulse and wide pulse. Each communication is preceded by four or five pulses.

He had previously been in touch with the OSI which has been verified in Clear Intent. But now he says that when he calls them, they won't speak to him so he is in a "shut out" situation. I pointed out that there were two OSI (Office of Special Investigation) and the other is CIA. He assures me that it was not the CIA group. He said the actual title of the group that he was dealing with was the "Office of Secret Investigation or Intelligence." He says they investigate the humans, that is the government. I mentioned to him that in Clear Intent that it said he was under surveillance. That happens to be in error. That information comes from somewhere else. But he quickly said "I know that I am under surveillance."

They set up a site across the street from his house with computers and recorders. A girl rented the house. He had a detective look into this and found that she was operating under an assumed name and she had no social security number. He has photographs of people coming and going with NORAD license plates, Air Force, A.F. Weapons Lab. He thinks NSA is orchestrating this.
For an entirely separate subject, he was told that it was a Washington source. The whole operation, the UFO base detail, is classified higher than the President. The President doesn't know about all of this.

He is also concerned that there are two levels of security involved. (1) Project Aquarius, which is TOP SECRET and another (2) higher than that; where people in charge of the higher level information having these new vehicles could simply take over the government. He called the Air Force intelligence headquarters in Washington. The Commanding Officer was not present but he talked to a Captain who was the adjutant or executive and started talking. He said "I know all of these facts, and this and that, and what do you think about that?" The Captain said, "Just write us a report and tell us what we should do about 'it''. So he prepared a 20 page report and Edwards saw it. He forwarded it by Federal Express and also a copy to the White House in a double envelope, indicating that sensitive material was in the inner envelope. Edwards got a call from Colonel Don _____ who was the White House Liaison to inquire who this Bennewitz fellow was. Edwards gave a positive report. The White House was extremely interested and issued orders "to get on with it; to do something, assuring Edwards that Bennewitz would receive a letter within two weeks." Such a letter was never received. Finally, Col. ____ from the Air Force Secretary sent him a letter eventually just pursuing the "Old Party Line" that said he should not be troubling the headquarters of the Air Force and the Executive offices of the White House with all of his stuff. Bennewitz showed this letter to Edwards who blew up and called Col. Don ____. They got an answer from the Air Force that they were not interested and knew nothing about it.

On another point: referencing the Stigmata article where the farmer thought that the two humanoids may have been naked. In the case with which he is dealing -- the woman and the son, the boy upon being questioned laughed, and he said "they had no fronts or behinds." I asked, "No sexual organs," and he said "Yes, no organs at all." He has received information concerning a high metabolism rate of the creatures, even birdlike. One of the witnesses, I think the woman who was being taken by the hand, said the hand of the creature was "red hot." He guesses that it must have been 115 degrees F. The creatures cannot stand uncontrolled environment. They wear suits for protection against excessive heat. They are fed by a formula and if they are short of that intake they will turn gray. They are a light -- yellow green when healthy. The heart is on the right side and they have one lung. Elimination is through the skin. The creatures are very strong.

(He seems to have very little knowledge of the literature and the organizations working on UFOs. I promised to scare up a copy of my book to send to him and also a personal resume to give him an idea of my background and copies of one or more of my papers.)

I asked about his reaction to the summary of the UFOs fields that I deduced that I relayed to him in the first call. (He thinks that I may be right.) He says that the UFOs can be detected by radar detectors and they also trigger highway patrol radar or police radar guns.

His friend Valdez, at his suggestion, was looking for a water intake to the site and within about 1 1/2 miles he came upon a flying saucer at a distance of about 300 ft. The Indians own the area -- are quite scared and very superstitious and 90% of them have moved into town.

The Chief of Police told him about an experience he had. A tribal chief had gone deer hunting on a mesa south of Dulce. Two days went by. When he didn't return, a search party was sent out. In the daylight on the mesa, a ship "hopped up" from down below and came up above the mesa. Two guys (human) kicked the tribal chief to the ground. Then they got into the ship and disappeared. He had been hunting and had "fell." He had a broken leg and he was picked up by these human people in the craft. The ship was black. Some of these humans wear black uniforms.

He discussed something about some devices called sphericals that have a sound when they move abruptly; and they are apparently remotely controlled little vehicles. Spheres are from 1 1/2" to 12' in diameter. We discussed weapons used by aliens and whether or not they are used to paralyze people. Yes, they consist of a cube about 2" on a side -- called a lens hung around the neck that emits a beam. Another on the ship produces a blue light that he has seen. It comes from a device about 4' high and 14" long with grid black lines on it. The color produced is very light blue which is like ionized oxygen.

He has not sought publicity on any of this. He is interested only in getting the facts. He did not object to the idea that I would send a copy of our telephone conversation to Tom Adams when I told him about my plan. He had received a call from a William Allen from Seattle, concerning an English publication of the Kirtland AFB case. I told him that if it was the same Bill Allen that I knew, it was a good contact, since I had become very well acquainted with Bill Allen at the 1983 MUFON Symposium in Pasadena. (NOTE: William K. Allen lived in Kelowna, BC, Canada. Bill Allen from Seattle recently died. He is not the same person as Bill Allen from Kelowna. I knew both of them. Bill Allen from Seattle wrote several books, one of them was "Spacecraft from Beyond theThird dimension." He was a Boeing engineer. Bill Allen in Kelowna was an APRO investigator.) The English publication seemed to be the Flying Saucer Review which I assured him was the leading publiication of its kind in the world. (Now defunct)

(So there is some more information that we can put into the equation of Paul Bennewitz and it is indeed a puzzling situation. I continue to get a reassurance that the guy is continually on the level and what he has to say should be taken seriously and not look into it in great details without being overly skeptical at the outset.) Jim McCampbell comments.

(A note on the bottom from Paul Bennewitz: "You are skeptical? If it were not happening in "first person" I wouldn't believe it either.) This paper was signed by Walt Andrus - September 19, 1984.
__________
Someone in the government took what Bennewitz said very seriously even though they said they weren't interested. They ended up by putting him in a mental facility saying he had a nervous breakdown. A usual tactic to shut a person up that they don't want "spilling the beans!" How disgusting.
posted by Aileen @ 9:27 AM

Dagmar
03-19-2010, 01:29 PM
So, Will there even be a 2011 season?

Killericon
03-19-2010, 01:30 PM
This is cracking me up.

watermock
03-19-2010, 01:39 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

He was hung by piano wire.

baja
03-19-2010, 01:44 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz

<b>He was hung like piano wire.

What's that got to do with it.

watermock
03-19-2010, 01:46 PM
So, Will there even be a 2011 season?

Of course.

It's a cash cow. They will have to take the fangs out for a second.

Dagmar
03-19-2010, 01:46 PM
Mexicans , the first thing they do is breed to make their bastards eligible for guaranteed citizenship.

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4870842/kkk-main_Full.jpg

Dagmar
03-19-2010, 01:47 PM
http://www.funpic.hu/files/pics/00027/00027413.jpg

broncocalijohn
03-19-2010, 01:48 PM
America: The Land of Immigrants that hate ILLEGAL immigrants.

Correction: I fixed it for ya!

watermock
03-19-2010, 01:49 PM
What's that got to do with it.

Nothing, just crazy.

broncosteven
03-19-2010, 02:05 PM
Maybe this thread title should be changed to Baja's and Mock's Manifesto's and be reprinted on the front page of the NY times?

Dagmar
03-19-2010, 02:07 PM
Yeah, baja, change the thread title so no one makes the mistake I did and comes in...

broncocalijohn
03-19-2010, 02:07 PM
Nothing, just crazy.

Well mock, i agree with you. Admitting you are crazy is the first step.

baja
03-19-2010, 02:25 PM
Yeah, baja, change the thread title so no one makes the mistake I did and comes in...

God how you guys like to whine.

What will you do when something really serious happens??? ;D

Dagmar
03-19-2010, 02:33 PM
God how you guys like to whine.

What will you do when something really serious happens??? ;D

Like what? Are you planning something?

Someone call the NSA!

Garcia Bronco
03-19-2010, 02:43 PM
Haha I like this. Sad thing is most Americans are too ignorant to comprehend this.

Part of my family came over here in the 1700. I am not an immigrant. Further, when the resources are taxed, the resources are taxed. Even so, lets not act like you can't become a citizen in this country even if you weren't born here.

mhgaffney
03-19-2010, 08:42 PM
Systems always collapse. Everything has a half-life, meaning all things end. Something else will just take its place though.

O really?

watermock
03-19-2010, 08:51 PM
This file shared with KeelyNet courtesy of James Hartman.
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Flying Aircraft & Nuclear War
and Other Strange Occurrences of
The Past

Edited By
James Hartman

The Indian Epics, especially the MAHABHARATA, pick up the thread of
the tale of devastation and destruction. Atlantis, rather displeased
at its humiliating defeat, deceived that they were no longer
interested in subjugating the Rama Empire (An Indian Empire), and
decided instead to annihilate the major cities using weapons of mass
destruction. Sanskrit scholars could not comprehend what was being
described in the Epics until the dropping of the first atomic bombs
on Japan. There are AUTHENTIC VERSES from the Indian Epics:

"Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana (fast aircraft)
hurled a single projectile (rocket) charged with the power
of the Universe (nuclear device). An incandescent column of
smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose with
all its splendor.

It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic
messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race
of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable.
Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.

...After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire the soldiers threw
themselves in streams to wash themselves and their
equipment."
ÄÄ The Mahabharata

Indeed, this story is said to be nearly 24,000 years old! If this is
true than we are not the most advanced. As the Bible says "There is
nothing new under the sun." Evidence for Atlantis is well
documented.

If the above was not enough to convince your let me take you in

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deeper into this nuclear war:

"(It was a weapon) so powerful that it could destroy the earth
in an instant ÄÄ A great soaring sound in smoke and flames ÄÄ
And on its sits death..."
ÄÄ The Ramayana

"Dense arrows of flame, like a great shower, issued
forth upon creation, encompassing the enemy...
A thick gloom swiftly settled upon the Pandava hosts.
All points of the compass were lost in darkness.
Fierce wind began to blow upward, showering dust and gravel.

Birds croaked madly... the very elements seemed disturbed.
The earth shook, scorched by the terrible violent heat of this
weapon.
Elephants burst into flame and ran to and fro in a frenzy...
over a vast area, other animals crumpled to the ground and died.
From all points of the compass the arrows of flame rained
continuously and fiercely.
ÄÄ The Mahabharata

The Ramayana and the Mahabharata seem like science fiction. Not
only did aircraft exist such as Vimanas and Vailxi (as the Atlantian
craft are called), they had nuclear weapons. There seems to be a
fear of educating the worlds people about the distant past. Even
empires and leaders of China's past to Christians to Arab peoples
would destroy history in such a way that records of there amazing
cultures and events are nearly all wiped out. Indian Epics however
are still with us intact. Records of South American history all but
gone. Fear, and other factors have removed most of history before
5,000 years. Some only 1,000 years ago. In the America's just 300 -
500 years all most all lost! Today, perhaps some UFO records are
going the way of fears gate! However, again a few stories live on.

In another amazing Indian text the Agastrya Samhita gives the
precise directions for constructing electrical batteries:

"Place a well-cleaned copper plate in an earthenware vessel.
Cover it first by copper sulfate and then moist sawdust.
After that put a mercury-amalgamated-zinc sheet on top of
an energy known by the twin name of Mitra-Varuna. Water will
be split by this current into Pranavayu and Udanavayu. A
chain of one hundred jars is said to give a very active
and effective force."
ÄÄ Agastya Samhita
(Indian Princes' Library)

By the way, MITRA-VARUNA is now called cathode-anode, and Pranavayu
and Udanavayu are to us oxygen and hydrogen. This document again
demonstrates the presence of electricity in the East, long, long
ago. In the not so distant past strange events are recorded in
Europe's past.

At Mount Cassino in Italy there is a large and heavy stone which was
traditionally lifted by Saint Benedict (A.D. 448-548) by the
neutralization of gravity. This stone was intended for the wall of
the monastery being built at that time. The stonemasons could not
budge it. However, Saint Benedict made the sign of the cross on the

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block, and while the seven men who could not lift it looked in
amazement, he raised it alone without any effort. If this is true,
than its evidence of God's hand at work!

Even stranger is this: King Ferdinand I was a host to Saint Francis
of Paula (1416-1505) in Naples. Through a half-opened door he
witnessed the monk in meditation, floating high above the floor of
his room.

Again in the fairly long ago past in China Emperor Cheng Tang (1766
B.C.), ordered Ki-Kung-shi to construct a flying chariot. The
primeval aviation constructor completed the job and tested the
aircraft. In flight, reaching the province of Honan. Subsequently,
(from fear) the vessel was destroyed by imperial edict as Cheng Tang
feared the secret of its mechanism might fall into the wrong hands.
If one looks at the past he can foresee and even change the future.
Will we be faithful to God as the saints and lift objects or
ourselves by Gods power? Will we ever come to full out Nuclear War
as the people of Atlantis and Rama 24,000 years ago?

Will we build Flying Chariots (Flying Saucers) and destroy them
because we fear into what hands they will fall? What will man do to
destroy his past, present or future? I leave that question up to
you!!!

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as this paper covers, please upload to KeelyNet or send to the
Vangard Sciences address as listed on the first page.
Thank you for your consideration, interest and support.

Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson
Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet

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Jerry at (214) 324-8741 or Ron at (214) 242-9346
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This file shared with KeelyNet courtesy of James Hartman.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Flying Aircraft & Nuclear War
and Other Strange Occurrences of
The Past

Edited By
James Hartman

The Indian Epics, especially the MAHABHARATA, pick up the thread of
the tale of devastation and destruction. Atlantis, rather displeased
at its humiliating defeat, deceived that they were no longer
interested in subjugating the Rama Empire (An Indian Empire), and
decided instead to annihilate the major cities using weapons of mass
destruction. Sanskrit scholars could not comprehend what was being
described in the Epics until the dropping of the first atomic bombs
on Japan. There are AUTHENTIC VERSES from the Indian Epics:

"Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana (fast aircraft)
hurled a single projectile (rocket) charged with the power
of the Universe (nuclear device). An incandescent column of
smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose with
all its splendor.

It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic
messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race
of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable.
Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.

...After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire the soldiers threw
themselves in streams to wash themselves and their
equipment."
ÄÄ The Mahabharata

Indeed, this story is said to be nearly 24,000 years old! If this is
true than we are not the most advanced. As the Bible says "There is
nothing new under the sun." Evidence for Atlantis is well
documented.

If the above was not enough to convince your let me take you in

Page 1





deeper into this nuclear war:

"(It was a weapon) so powerful that it could destroy the earth
in an instant ÄÄ A great soaring sound in smoke and flames ÄÄ
And on its sits death..."
ÄÄ The Ramayana

"Dense arrows of flame, like a great shower, issued
forth upon creation, encompassing the enemy...
A thick gloom swiftly settled upon the Pandava hosts.
All points of the compass were lost in darkness.
Fierce wind began to blow upward, showering dust and gravel.

Birds croaked madly... the very elements seemed disturbed.
The earth shook, scorched by the terrible violent heat of this
weapon.
Elephants burst into flame and ran to and fro in a frenzy...
over a vast area, other animals crumpled to the ground and died.
From all points of the compass the arrows of flame rained
continuously and fiercely.
ÄÄ The Mahabharata

The Ramayana and the Mahabharata seem like science fiction. Not
only did aircraft exist such as Vimanas and Vailxi (as the Atlantian
craft are called), they had nuclear weapons. There seems to be a
fear of educating the worlds people about the distant past. Even
empires and leaders of China's past to Christians to Arab peoples
would destroy history in such a way that records of there amazing
cultures and events are nearly all wiped out. Indian Epics however
are still with us intact. Records of South American history all but
gone. Fear, and other factors have removed most of history before
5,000 years. Some only 1,000 years ago. In the America's just 300 -
500 years all most all lost! Today, perhaps some UFO records are
going the way of fears gate! However, again a few stories live on.

In another amazing Indian text the Agastrya Samhita gives the
precise directions for constructing electrical batteries:

"Place a well-cleaned copper plate in an earthenware vessel.
Cover it first by copper sulfate and then moist sawdust.
After that put a mercury-amalgamated-zinc sheet on top of
an energy known by the twin name of Mitra-Varuna. Water will
be split by this current into Pranavayu and Udanavayu. A
chain of one hundred jars is said to give a very active
and effective force."
ÄÄ Agastya Samhita
(Indian Princes' Library)

By the way, MITRA-VARUNA is now called cathode-anode, and Pranavayu
and Udanavayu are to us oxygen and hydrogen. This document again
demonstrates the presence of electricity in the East, long, long
ago. In the not so distant past strange events are recorded in
Europe's past.

At Mount Cassino in Italy there is a large and heavy stone which was
traditionally lifted by Saint Benedict (A.D. 448-548) by the
neutralization of gravity. This stone was intended for the wall of
the monastery being built at that time. The stonemasons could not
budge it. However, Saint Benedict made the sign of the cross on the

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block, and while the seven men who could not lift it looked in
amazement, he raised it alone without any effort. If this is true,
than its evidence of God's hand at work!

Even stranger is this: King Ferdinand I was a host to Saint Francis
of Paula (1416-1505) in Naples. Through a half-opened door he
witnessed the monk in meditation, floating high above the floor of
his room.

Again in the fairly long ago past in China Emperor Cheng Tang (1766
B.C.), ordered Ki-Kung-shi to construct a flying chariot. The
primeval aviation constructor completed the job and tested the
aircraft. In flight, reaching the province of Honan. Subsequently,
(from fear) the vessel was destroyed by imperial edict as Cheng Tang
feared the secret of its mechanism might fall into the wrong hands.
If one looks at the past he can foresee and even change the future.
Will we be faithful to God as the saints and lift objects or
ourselves by Gods power? Will we ever come to full out Nuclear War
as the people of Atlantis and Rama 24,000 years ago?

Will we build Flying Chariots (Flying Saucers) and destroy them
because we fear into what hands they will fall? What will man do to
destroy his past, present or future? I leave that question up to
you!!!

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watermock
03-19-2010, 08:52 PM
Flying Cows!

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loborugger
03-19-2010, 08:57 PM
Is this dude related to Oleg?

Dukes
03-19-2010, 09:47 PM
Flying Cows!

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The end of this one is much, much more entertaining

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Dagmar
03-20-2010, 12:41 AM
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Bronco Yoda
03-20-2010, 03:58 AM
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