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SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2010, 08:16 PM
I haven't seen this posted here yet:

http://www.draftheadquarters.com/dhqblogs/?p=677

Report: Bucs, Broncos Discuss Blockbuster

I’m reporting that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Denver Broncos are in discussions that would send star wide receiver Brandon Marshall to Tampa Bay and would involve the 3rd and 11th picks in the 2010 NFL Draft.

Tampa Bay has been looking to upgrade their receiving core, and adding a player like Marshall would help propel their offense into the future. With the third pick in the draft, it is believed that the Broncos would likely be looking at Tennessee safety Eric Berry.

From what I’ve been told, the teams would swap first round picks with additional picks potentially being involved in the deal.

Continue to stay tuned at Draft Headquarters for the best coverage of the 2010 NFL Draft.

tsiguy96
03-15-2010, 08:17 PM
good god no. unless its for mccoy.

if we do this and get their 2nd too, i like it, but who could they possibly want at #3? is berry really worth doing that for? i saw him have a nasty pick on tebow when they played florida, but still we are not gaining a lot for a guy like marshall.

SoDak Bronco
03-15-2010, 08:19 PM
I'd rather have Gerald McCoy or even better Suh at 3`

Gcver2ver3
03-15-2010, 08:19 PM
i don't like the sound of that...

Clockwork Orange
03-15-2010, 08:21 PM
Depending on what the other picks exchanging hands were, I'd be fine with that deal.

Gcver2ver3
03-15-2010, 08:22 PM
good god no. unless its for mccoy.

if we do this and get their 2nd too, i like it, but who could they possibly want at #3? is berry really worth doing that for? i saw him have a nasty pick on tebow when they played florida, but still we are not gaining a lot for a guy like marshall.

the Bucs have two 2nd round picks so there is a chance we could acquire one...

but i like us picking at #11...

there isn't anyone i want at 3 anymore than at 11...

anton
03-15-2010, 08:23 PM
I'm reporting that the Bucs will not trade for WR Brandon Marshall.

See how easy that was? That is not even a real site.

DeuceOfClub
03-15-2010, 08:26 PM
Buc's owners allocated $750,000 for the entire WRs squad next year, I doubt BM can fit under these guidelines.

The reporter sounds very creditable:
Iím reporting that.......
Seriously? You're reporting. Than I guess it's true

Dagmar
03-15-2010, 08:28 PM
If Schefter is right, then Bradford is 1, then McCoy or Suh is there at 3. Still, it's not great.

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:30 PM
**** yes! It's an uncapped year!

WTF?

We could get McCoy and Spiller, or Berry.

Bradford and Clauson take up another 2.

And Bryant might go early too.

titan
03-15-2010, 08:31 PM
I like the idea of the Broncos getting McCoy or Suh at #3. If those two go 1st/2nd I wouldn't like this trade. Make the trade on draft day when you see what's there at #3, and hopefully the broncos get the better of the "other" picks involved (Marshall and #11 for #3 and ...)

PRBronco
03-15-2010, 08:34 PM
I'm not going to lie. I would spend the entire month of May jacking off if we got Suh or Berry. I wonder if I can get a leave of absence from work?

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:35 PM
If Schefter is right, then Bradford is 1, then McCoy or Suh is there at 3. Still, it's not great.

Now Marshall is untradeable when you couldn't wait to get rid of him?

Wow.

*unintelligible*

theAPAOps5
03-15-2010, 08:35 PM
I haven't seen this posted here yet:

http://www.draftheadquarters.com/dhqblogs/?p=677

Report: Bucs, Broncos Discuss Blockbuster

Iím reporting that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Denver Broncos are in discussions that would send star wide receiver Brandon Marshall to Tampa Bay and would involve the 3rd and 11th picks in the 2010 NFL Draft.

Tampa Bay has been looking to upgrade their receiving core, and adding a player like Marshall would help propel their offense into the future. With the third pick in the draft, it is believed that the Broncos would likely be looking at Tennessee safety Eric Berry.

From what Iíve been told, the teams would swap first round picks with additional picks potentially being involved in the deal.

Continue to stay tuned at Draft Headquarters for the best coverage of the 2010 NFL Draft.

Oh my Jesus that would be an epic failure. Not the trade but the drafting Eric Berry. I'm sorry but you don't draft a safety in the top 10, period. Who cares if they have Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott type ability. Its not a position like LT, QB, RB, or even WR.

You don't need to trade to move up and get him. Heck he may be there at 11.

Yeah I know the draft experts have him rated as a top pick but I just don't think it happens.

tsiguy96
03-15-2010, 08:36 PM
berry is gone by 7, but considering we dont need a safety for atleast 2 years, its silly...

Hamrob
03-15-2010, 08:37 PM
The only way we would want the #3 is for one of the DT's or for a QB. There's no way we spend the type of money that a 3 will cost on a safety. Especially, when Berry might not even be the best safety in the draft and we could get that guy at 11.

Here's a thought I've been playing around with though...What if they trade up for a Tackle...say Okung, Williams or Buluga? Perhaps they could move Harris inside to Guard?

eddie mac
03-15-2010, 08:38 PM
I somehow doubt the Broncos would even consider a move up to 3.

Plus the fact the lack of a cap has got nothing to do with the financial considerations of such a move. We would be talking as big a contract as Champ Baileys that would be near $60-$70m total for a player who'd never played a down in this league. Tyson Jackson got near $12m a year from KC and $31m of it guaranteed.

Any team that moves up in the final year of joke rookie salaries deserves all they get.

Gcver2ver3
03-15-2010, 08:38 PM
screw that...

Marshall has a 1st round tender and is a top 5 WR...i'm not giving back a 1st rounder for him to gain someone else's...

i'll give them my 2nd round pick and Marshall before i'd do that...

i'd rather sit at #11 and grab Spiller than to give up that much for the #3 pick...

Hercules Rockefeller
03-15-2010, 08:38 PM
Want no part of that deal if the other picks involved aren't coming back Denver's way

Hamrob
03-15-2010, 08:39 PM
I'll go with Mayock and say that Earl Thomas is the best Safety in draft...we could get him at 11 folks.

It would have to be for another player at 3.

eddie mac
03-15-2010, 08:41 PM
Why on earth would we draft a safety???

Bruton, McBath, Hill or even Dawkins ring a bell.

Safety was not a problematic position for this team last year infact it was excellent until McBath went out for the year.

Hamrob
03-15-2010, 08:42 PM
The only other thing I can think of....would be:

The 3 pick is going to be a nice place to perch for anyone that wants Clausen...maybe even Bradford and Clausen if the Rams don't bite.

We could perhaps trade back out of the 3 spot on draft day and get nicely compensated.

SouthStndJunkie
03-15-2010, 08:42 PM
I'm reporting that the Bucs will not trade for WR Brandon Marshall.

See how easy that was? That is not even a real site.

It's something to talk about on a Monday night.

Dagmar
03-15-2010, 08:43 PM
Now Marshall is untradeable when you couldn't wait to get rid of him?

Wow.

*unintelligible*

When did I say I wanted rid of Marshall? I have always been on the fence, major talent, major personality deficiencies. I fear if he stays we lose him for half a season or more, I fear if he goes we wont be able to replace his talent.

That last word summed your post up though.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-15-2010, 08:47 PM
The only other thing I can think of....would be:

The 3 pick is going to be a nice place to perch for anyone that wants Clausen...maybe even Bradford and Clausen if the Rams don't bite.

We could perhaps trade back out of the 3 spot on draft day and get nicely compensated.

Can't bank your strategy on trading up, especially when it involves giving up Marshall, only to hope that someone will call on draft day and want to trade into that spot.

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:47 PM
Can anyone smell collusion?

Salaries are totally out of control and have been for a decade.

10m for 2 hours of game film is absurd.

Gcver2ver3
03-15-2010, 08:50 PM
for marshall, heck i'd even consider taking both the Bucs 2nd round picks and let them keep the #3...

we can still pick at 11 and we'd also have three 2nd round draft choices in whats considered the deepest draft since 1983...

that wouldn't hurt my feelings...

Dagmar
03-15-2010, 08:50 PM
Can anyone smell collusion?

Salaries are totally out of control and have been for a decade.

10m for 2 hours of game film is absurd.

:spit:



*unintelligible*

Dagmar
03-15-2010, 08:51 PM
for marshall, heck i'd even consider taking both the Bucs 2nd round picks and let them keep the #3...

we can still pick at 11 and we'd also have three 2nd round draft choices in whats considered the deepest draft since 1983...

that wouldn't hurt my feelings...

I feel that would be a better deal!

Hamrob
03-15-2010, 08:54 PM
Can't bank your strategy on trading up, especially when it involves giving up Marshall, only to hope that someone will call on draft day and want to trade into that spot.Agreed. But, I could see us accepting a high #2 plus swapping of first round picks with the Bucs for Marshall. That's at least equal to a #1. Then you have plenty of options from there on out. You're assured of a blue chip player....you can trade out for more picks, you get a high 2nd and you've moved Marshall (which is important to McCaniels).

NFLBRONCO
03-15-2010, 08:55 PM
I'd actually like those 2 picks more it would fill more needs.

watermock
03-15-2010, 09:05 PM
The is no guarantee anyone wants the #3 if you swap.

This case is likely going the the supreme court anyway via anti-trust..

Most likely the idiots kill the golden goose.

I almost like college better now anyway.

The NFL is overproduced.

baja
03-15-2010, 09:05 PM
I want to keep Marshall

cutthemdown
03-15-2010, 09:07 PM
actually that big a jump, into top 3, can sometimes cost 1000 draft points which is a mid to low first on most charts.

Broncos would try and get maybe something like a 3rd round pick also.

People wouldn't like it for sure because you always pay a high price to move from out of top 10, to top 5. But maybe it will be less the value charts are sort of outdated.

Maybe we get the 3rd. They get Marshall and the 11th, we swap 2nd, and we get there 4th round pick etc etc. maybe 3rd. But if you want the top 3 you better come with a big offer.

cutthemdown
03-15-2010, 09:08 PM
Broncos would do this only if there where 3 players they though were world beaters in the draft. Stud no matter what position type guys. People say no to Berry but I hear people think he is a big time impact player. Safety sort of climbing in value but that would be the highest I can think of for a safety.

watermock
03-15-2010, 09:11 PM
I'd actually like those 2 picks more it would fill more needs.

We would have those picks this year without trading at all.

I mean, Fonzie and Quinn in the second?

Then McBath, Bruton and Brandy?

That's saying SlowMoreno and Popeye panned out.

Davisesque.

Ziggy
03-15-2010, 09:14 PM
The source of this rumor is a blog. I'm reporting that the Broncos are trading Marshall to Ravens for Joe Flacco. I like this game.

DBroncos4life
03-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Want no part of that deal if the other picks involved aren't coming back Denver's way

You you be open to swapping first rounders, the 35th pick and swapping our 4th rounder for their 3rd rounder or just swapping 3rd rounders? That would give us the ability to grab a want player like possibly Suh, McCoy, or Berry and still have enough picks early 35th, 45th, and possibly 67th. You could walk away with a top G, C, and LB and land a top flight star in that scenario.

You are much better at valuing players and draft picks then me. ;D

watermock
03-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Broncos would do this only if there where 3 players they though were world beaters in the draft. Stud no matter what position type guys. People say no to Berry but I hear people think he is a big time impact player. Safety sort of climbing in value but that would be the highest I can think of for a safety.


But Ed Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!!!!!!!!!

5% 10% chance he's a Ronnie, Ed, Atwater or Smith or Dawkins..

Man, how I wish Lelie wasn't there.

DomCasual
03-15-2010, 09:40 PM
I'm not going to lie. I would spend the entire month of May jacking off if we got Suh or Berry. I wonder if I can get a leave of absence from work?

As opposed to what you will spend the entire month of May doing if we don't get Suh or Berry?

manchambo
03-15-2010, 10:01 PM
The only way we would want the #3 is for one of the DT's or for a QB. There's no way we spend the type of money that a 3 will cost on a safety. Especially, when Berry might not even be the best safety in the draft and we could get that guy at 11.

Here's a thought I've been playing around with though...What if they trade up for a Tackle...say Okung, Williams or Buluga? Perhaps they could move Harris inside to Guard?

Have you thought about whether there might be any way whether we could trade up to get two tackles? Then we could move Clady to guard, too.

Maybe we could work something out for Dumervil?

montrose
03-15-2010, 10:06 PM
The fact this thread has continued on as long as it has without everyone trashing the "source" while Josina Anderson-hate doesn't even make it out of the thread title despite having broken many stories simply amazes me.

DBroncos4life
03-15-2010, 10:10 PM
The fact this thread has continued on as long as it has without everyone trashing the "source" while Josina Anderson-hate doesn't even make it out of the thread title despite having broken many stories simply amazes me.

A poster on the ESPN board (Saints fan) heard on wknfl a.m. Sports Talk that Marshall was going to Tampa on Monday for a visit. It's a real station so the rumor has to be legit.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-15-2010, 10:21 PM
Im not a big fan of trading an asset just to swap draft picks at all. I dont know what stats show, but whoever you get at three is hardly a lock either. Id rather accumulate picks. They want marshall? both their second rounders and a player. Id accept nothing less and id still probably be upset about that. Though it'd make draft day more fun and isnt that really what its all about?

ZONA
03-15-2010, 10:27 PM
I somehow doubt the Broncos would even consider a move up to 3.

Plus the fact the lack of a cap has got nothing to do with the financial considerations of such a move. We would be talking as big a contract as Champ Baileys that would be near $60-$70m total for a player who'd never played a down in this league. Tyson Jackson got near $12m a year from KC and $31m of it guaranteed.

Any team that moves up in the final year of joke rookie salaries deserves all they get.

I agree 100%. No way I am paying an unproven rookie #3 money and on top of that sending them my #11 pick and one of the most dominating WR's in the league. Some of you guys are simply off your rockers if you like this deal. You move up a few spots to pay some guy tons of money and getting a 2nd rounder (maybe) for #11 and BM. Frickin no way.

bombquixote
03-15-2010, 10:32 PM
Buc's owners allocated $750,000 for the entire WRs squad next year, I doubt BM can fit under these guidelines.

The reporter sounds very creditable:

Seriously? You're reporting. Than I guess it's true

Iknowrite. "More accurate then ESPN." Says so right in the banner at the top. Nice find.

*WARHORSE*
03-16-2010, 01:20 AM
If we were actually TRYING to get to the third pick, it would be because we wanted one of the big three at the least of the three payslots.

Bradford goes one.....with McCoy or Suh going two and three.


BUT, if Washington aquires Carriker from the Rams which is the rumour, then Id say the Rams would be set to draft one of the DTs, which would mean Bradford would land in our lap at three cause we all know Detroit isnt going to draft him.

Wonder what Washington would do knowing we had the third pick with Bradford in our laps?


It would mean they would have to give up a third to us, or a second to Detroit to get him.

IF of course, Denver did not want him themselves.

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2010, 01:53 AM
the Bucs have two 2nd round picks so there is a chance we could acquire one...

but i like us picking at #11...

there isn't anyone i want at 3 anymore than at 11...

i would prefer to get both of Tampa's 2nd rounders and forget number 3.

*WARHORSE*
03-16-2010, 02:15 AM
A poster on the ESPN board (Saints fan) heard on wknfl a.m. Sports Talk that Marshall was going to Tampa on Monday for a visit. It's a real station so the rumor has to be legit.

Right.


WKNFL.


Never seen a radio station with five letter abbs.

rmsanger
03-16-2010, 03:50 AM
If for some reason Suh is still sitting there @ #3 I'd say make that deal for Marshall and our first... Otherwise I'm not interested.

Play2win
03-16-2010, 04:36 AM
If we were able to get SUH for MARSHAL, I would do that deal every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Ratboy
03-16-2010, 05:03 AM
If we were able to get SUH for MARSHAL, I would do that deal every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

No thanks.

No one in this draft is worth Marshall.

These guys are all unproven.

Play2win
03-16-2010, 05:17 AM
I just think SUH is going to revolutionize the position. But everyone has their favorites, I just want back in the freaking Playoffs, sooner rather than later.

broncosteven
03-16-2010, 05:18 AM
I'm not going to lie. I would spend the entire month of May jacking off if we got Suh or Berry. I wonder if I can get a leave of absence from work?

What would make May different than April or March or Feb?

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2010, 05:40 AM
for marshall, heck i'd even consider taking both the Bucs 2nd round picks and let them keep the #3...

we can still pick at 11 and we'd also have three 2nd round draft choices in whats considered the deepest draft since 1983...

that wouldn't hurt my feelings...

i agree.

give me McClain or Williams at 11

Spikes, Walton and Ducasse in the 2nd.

solidify the front 7 and the interior line with guys who can start from day 1 and then have the rest of the draft to take BPA and get some solid role players, instead of having to bank on mid and late round picks being able to fill holes.

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2010, 05:43 AM
I'm not going to lie. I would spend the entire month of May jacking off if we got Suh or Berry. I wonder if I can get a leave of absence from work?

remember to switch hands when doing that, because you don't want to end up looking like Quagmire from Family guy after he discovers internet porn

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Garcia Bronco
03-16-2010, 05:49 AM
Suh for Marshall would be insane.

TonyR
03-16-2010, 06:04 AM
No one in this draft is worth Marshall.


You seriously wouldn't give up Marshall for a shot at Suh or McCoy? You really think NFL football is won and lost at the WR postion more than the LOS? If Marshall wasn't such a headache you might at least have a case, but as it is you may as well not show up in court.

That said, very doubtful such a trade would ever happen. Why would Tampa do this? Yes they would avoid paying a high #1 but they'd have to instead pay Marshall to keep him. Something tells me they'd prefer to build along the DL than with a headcase WR...

bronco militia
03-16-2010, 06:58 AM
there has to be another player or draft pick involved...the #3 spot is not worth the #11 and a young pro-bowl reciever.

sixtimeseight
03-16-2010, 07:27 AM
No thanks.

No one in this draft is worth Marshall.

These guys are all unproven.

Worst logic ever. By this line of thinking, no one in this draft is worth Kenny Peterson. I mean, he is proven, right?

Suh is a once-in-a-decade defensive talent, along the lines of Sapp. Marshall is a dime-a-dozen headcase WR. WR is one of the easiest positions to find talent at, the DL is one of the hardest. Marshall for Suh would be a no-brainer trade for any GM in the NFL, except no NFL GM would be dumb enough to give up Suh for Marshall.

QED.

Hamrob
03-16-2010, 08:06 AM
there has to be another player or draft pick involved...the #3 spot is not worth the #11 and a young pro-bowl reciever.From what I heard...it was one of the Bucs 2nd round picks and a swap of 1st round picks for Marshall.

We get a 2nd and there #3
They get Marshall and our #11

Hamrob
03-16-2010, 08:09 AM
Worst logic ever. By this line of thinking, no one in this draft is worth Kenny Peterson. I mean, he is proven, right?

Suh is a once-in-a-decade defensive talent, along the lines of Sapp. Marshall is a dime-a-dozen headcase WR. WR is one of the easiest positions to find talent at, the DL is one of the hardest. Marshall for Suh would be a no-brainer trade for any GM in the NFL, except no NFL GM would be dumb enough to give up Suh for Marshall.

QED.He's a great DT in a 4-3. He's no a DE in a 3-4...and no way is he a NT. He just isn't the right fit...not matter what the talent. That's similiar to drafting a guy like Ayers and playing him at OLB. Would have been a great DE in a 4-3...but, hows that 3-4 thing coming?

Traveler
03-16-2010, 08:19 AM
From what I heard...it was one of the Bucs 2nd round picks and a swap of 1st round picks for Marshall.

We get a 2nd and there #3
They get Marshall and our #11

Heard from where/whom?

Broncoman13
03-16-2010, 08:19 AM
Worst logic ever. By this line of thinking, no one in this draft is worth Kenny Peterson. I mean, he is proven, right?

Suh is a once-in-a-decade defensive talent, along the lines of Sapp. Marshall is a dime-a-dozen headcase WR. WR is one of the easiest positions to find talent at, the DL is one of the hardest. Marshall for Suh would be a no-brainer trade for any GM in the NFL, except no NFL GM would be dumb enough to give up Suh for Marshall.

QED.


LOL, Kenny Peterson and Brandon Marshall are the same caliber player right... That's cute.

I'm not a fan of trading Marshall, but if it has to be done, this isn't a bad deal. Especially if we're getting something more in terms of picks than just the #3.

It guarantees we can draft, Suh, Bradford, or McCoy. What's not to like?

sixtimeseight
03-16-2010, 08:21 AM
LOL, Kenny Peterson and Brandon Marshall are the same caliber player right... That's cute.


I don't think you could have missed the point more if you tried.

Broncoman13
03-16-2010, 08:23 AM
The point was you have a proven commodity that is amongst the top 5 at his position in the NFL and only 26 years old. You compared him to a DE that is not in the top 70 or 80 of his position and is 32 years old. You really going to try and make sense of your BS?

sixtimeseight
03-16-2010, 08:25 AM
Ugh. Read my post and try again, champ. Or I could just put you on ignore, either way.

Kaylore
03-16-2010, 08:27 AM
I'm not going to lie. I would spend the entire month of May jacking off if we got Suh or Berry. I wonder if I can get a leave of absence from work?

Yeah I'm in this boat. That would be so freaking awesome.

However one dude's "report" is completely worthless.

Broncoman13
03-16-2010, 08:27 AM
Ugh. Read my post and try again, champ. Or I could just put you on ignore, either way.

Oh noes, please don't put me on ignore... I'm sorry Mr. 48, I'll not point out your stupid non-sense in the future. Promise!

sixtimeseight
03-16-2010, 08:30 AM
Umm yea, since I can't remember one post you've ever made until you started trolling me (which is pretty amazing that you've racked up like 15k completely unremarkable posts), I'll just go ahead and give myself the benefit of the doubt here.

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baja
03-16-2010, 08:52 AM
From what I heard...it was one of the Bucs 2nd round picks and a swap of 1st round picks for Marshall.

We get a 2nd and there #3
They get Marshall and our #11

Now that I like especially if we could get Suh or trade back down.

I seriously doubt TB would be crazy enough to do that deal though.

Gcver2ver3
03-16-2010, 08:56 AM
From what I heard...it was one of the Bucs 2nd round picks and a swap of 1st round picks for Marshall.

We get a 2nd and there #3
They get Marshall and our #11

when you say "from what i heard" are you referring to a source other than the link posted to start on the OP?...

tsiguy96
03-16-2010, 09:00 AM
tampa bay really does need a big wr to help freeman out

baja
03-16-2010, 09:03 AM
tampa bay really does need a big wr to help freeman out

If TB trades us their #3 overall and their 2 for Marshall and our #11 overall I will walk on my hands from Cabo to Denver.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 09:06 AM
Umm yea, since I can't remember one post you've ever made until you started trolling me (which is pretty amazing that you've racked up like 15k completely unremarkable posts), I'll just go ahead and give myself the benefit of the doubt here.

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You can't have many posters left Hilarious!

baja
03-16-2010, 09:08 AM
You can't have many posters left Hilarious!

LOL the link works and I removed 13 from his ignore list. Too funny

Broncoman13
03-16-2010, 09:11 AM
You're next... Prepare to be ignored! Lol

Chief Macho
03-16-2010, 09:17 AM
Draft experts talked about Dorsey like he was the next Warren Sapp too. Every year there is a once in a blah blah blah...

DarkHorse
03-16-2010, 09:25 AM
The only way we would want the #3 is for one of the DT's or for a QB. There's no way we spend the type of money that a 3 will cost on a safety. Especially, when Berry might not even be the best safety in the draft and we could get that guy at 11.

Here's a thought I've been playing around with though...What if they trade up for a Tackle...say Okung, Williams or Buluga? Perhaps they could move Harris inside to Guard?

You know you could be on to something.

Perhaps we draft a Tackle to replace Clady - after all, he is a Shanahan holdover

bendog
03-16-2010, 09:27 AM
Suh isn't going to last till three. I can't believe this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_overall_National_Football_League_dra ft_picks

Warlord
03-16-2010, 09:34 AM
Suh isn't going to last till three. I can't believe this thread.


That's exactly why TB would consider trading out of the 3 spot. They need one of those DT's badly, but if they think StL and Det are taking them 1-2 they need to look elsewhere. If they feel WR is a priority (and IMO it is for them) working a deal for Marshall that has them still picking in round 1 is a hell of a lot better than drafting Bryant at 3.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 09:39 AM
That's exactly why TB would consider trading out of the 3 spot. They need one of those DT's badly, but if they think StL and Det are taking them 1-2 they need to look elsewhere. If they feel WR is a priority (and IMO it is for them) working a deal for Marshall that has them still picking in round 1 is a hell of a lot better than drafting Bryant at 3.

Exactly! Would you rather have Marshall and Brian Price/Dan Williams or just McCoy? Hell maybe it goes Suh then McCoy and Tampa is sitting at no real help at 3.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-16-2010, 09:41 AM
You know you could be on to something.

Perhaps we draft a Tackle to replace Clady - after all, he is a Shanahan holdover

I could see them drafting a tackle to replace Ryan Harris.

bendog
03-16-2010, 09:49 AM
Right but the point is that suh is worth the value of a no one overall. A risk, sure, but he grades that high over defensive tackles not just this year but of PAST years. McCoy is prolly close to a can't miss pro defensive tackle, and DT is notoriously hard position to translate success in the NCAA to the pros. If StL takes a qb, all is golden. But then why would TB actually do this deal.

Bowlen is going to pay a safety or an OT for the three slot? I don't think so. but to say BM is worth mroe that suh or even mccoy ..... insane. Plus, at that point you really are talking about trading BM for a guy who is either not a lock at a tough position or a guy like Berry who may be "just" a solid defensive back.

But what was crazy was saying BM and the 11 isn't worth a shot at McCoy ... let alone Suh. Getting one of those might actually make be believe McDaniels has the potential to be competent.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 10:02 AM
Right but the point is that suh is worth the value of a no one overall. A risk, sure, but he grades that high over defensive tackles not just this year but of PAST years. McCoy is prolly close to a can't miss pro defensive tackle, and DT is notoriously hard position to translate success in the NCAA to the pros. If StL takes a qb, all is golden. But then why would TB actually do this deal.

Bowlen is going to pay a safety or an OT for the three slot? I don't think so. but to say BM is worth mroe that suh or even mccoy ..... insane. Plus, at that point you really are talking about trading BM for a guy who is either not a lock at a tough position or a guy like Berry who may be "just" a solid defensive back.

But what was crazy was saying BM and the 11 isn't worth a shot at McCoy ... let alone Suh. Getting one of those might actually make be believe McDaniels has the potential to be competent.

This is the way I would look at it. Have something worked out with multiple teams. We would get a extra 2nd rounder from the Bucs. Then we go a head and draft Bradford at 3. Trade the rights to Bradford with lets say Seattle for pick 14 and their 2nd rounder. That way Seattle isn't forced to take Clausen or Bradford at 6 so they can use that pick on whatever. Tampa gets a big time WR and still is in good position to draft a pretty good player on D. Seattle gets their QBOF and another stud player. We pick up 2 extra second rounders to fill needs and still have a first round pick to get a top 15 talent.

Caligula
03-16-2010, 10:04 AM
:laughs: :laugh: :lol:

bendog
03-16-2010, 10:19 AM
this is crazy. Look if Stl takes Bradford, Det takes suh. Will it workout that way? Is Stl going to use the overall top pick for a guy coming off shoulder surgery and a spread offense? I hope so, but I don't like stl. But is Den incompetent enough to get stuck with the third pick and see suh and mccoy off the board? Den has no leverage with the three pick. Ok, suppose someone would trade for that pick to take Bradford, and give den a one that is somewhere between rd 6-15. (It's not going to be shanny in Wash with the no 4 pick or KC with the 5.) Den ends up with Berry or an OT with a first round price tag ... or Dez White ... and an extra 2 and NO BM. Sadly, I don't think that's an impossible scenario.

Traveler
03-16-2010, 10:26 AM
Can't believe folks are getting worked up over a post from some internet blogger. Almost as bad as the so-called proposal from SEA for Marshall.

Guess it's something foe everyone to talk about till the draft.

oubronco
03-16-2010, 10:27 AM
I just think SUH is going to revolutionize the position. But everyone has their favorites, I just want back in the freaking Playoffs, sooner rather than later.

I'm interested as to why you think Suh is going to revolutionize the DT position

peacepipe
03-16-2010, 10:35 AM
I'm interested as to why you think Suh is going to revolutionize the DT position

I'm thinking the samething but because he'll be moved to DE in a 3-4 def.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 10:39 AM
this is crazy. Look if Stl takes Bradford, Det takes suh. Will it workout that way? Is Stl going to use the overall top pick for a guy coming off shoulder surgery and a spread offense? I hope so, but I don't like stl. But is Den incompetent enough to get stuck with the third pick and see suh and mccoy off the board? Den has no leverage with the three pick. Ok, suppose someone would trade for that pick to take Bradford, and give den a one that is somewhere between rd 6-15. (It's not going to be shanny in Wash with the no 4 pick or KC with the 5.) Den ends up with Berry or an OT with a first round price tag ... or Dez White ... and an extra 2 and NO BM. Sadly, I don't think that's an impossible scenario.

No Denver could trade the rights to Seattle for the 14th pick, who is in the market for a QB as well. Seattle is sitting a 6th and odds are they wouldn't be able to draft Bradford. Plus they have other needs. If the draft goes something like this....
Rams Suh
Lions McCoy
Denver Bradford trade Seattle
Redskins Clausen
Chiefs Berry
Seahawks Okung

There is no way Seattle fans wouldn't be thrilled with walking out of the first round with a QBOF and a starting LT. We would pick up 2 extra second round picks to fill our needs and still be able to land a top 15 player. We would have a second round pick to replace Marshall. Golden Tate who fits our system or Andre Roberts (after looking into him I change my mind about the best WR in the draft too him.) We could very well walk out of the draft with....
Maurkice Pouncey, Brandon Spikes, Golden Tate, and Vladimir Ducasse in the first two rounds. That would be amazing. We would have so many options it wouldn't even be funny.

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2010, 10:41 AM
Suh isn't going to last till three. I can't believe this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_overall_National_Football_League_dra ft_picks

i love that Denver has never been bad enough to have ever received the number 1 overall pick in a draft

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2010, 10:46 AM
No Denver could trade the rights to Seattle for the 14th pick, who is in the market for a QB as well. Seattle is sitting a 6th and odds are they wouldn't be able to draft Bradford. Plus they have other needs. If the draft goes something like this....
Rams Suh
Lions McCoy
Denver Bradford trade Seattle
Redskins Clausen
Chiefs Berry
Seahawks Okung

There is no way Seattle fans wouldn't be thrilled with walking out of the first round with a QBOF and a starting LT. We would pick up 2 extra second round picks to fill our needs and still be able to land a top 15 player. We would have a second round pick to replace Marshall. Golden Tate who fits our system or Andre Roberts (after looking into him I change my mind about the best WR in the draft too him.) We could very well walk out of the draft with....
Maurkice Pouncey, Brandon Spikes, Golden Tate, and Vladimir Ducasse in the first two rounds. That would be amazing. We would have so many options it wouldn't even be funny.

instead of going through all the work of trading Marshall to Tampa, then drafting Bradford, trading Bradford to Seattle, all in the pursuit to get number 14 and 2 extra 2nd rounder, how about we just flat out trade Marshall to the Bucs for their 2-2nd rounders and keep number 11.

SoDak Bronco
03-16-2010, 10:52 AM
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

What if it fell like this.

1-Bradford
2-Okung - need to protect Stafford and that huge investment (already brought in Corey Williams and Vandebosh)
3-SUH or McCoy - a MAN named Suh sitting there for us.

CEH
03-16-2010, 10:52 AM
instead of going through all the work of trading Marshall to Tampa, then drafting Bradford, trading Bradford to Seattle, all in the pursuit to get number 14 and 2 extra 2nd rounder, how about we just flat out trade Marshall to the Bucs for their 2-2nd rounders and keep number 11.

I agree

Slot #11 has produced probably the most Pro Bowlers over the past decade
Big Ben, yes Cutler (double his draft value) , D Ware, McKelvin, some dude named Patick Willis, Freeney

Compare that to DRob, Sullivan, Dorsey, G Warren the DTs bust are numerous top 6. Seymour was a nice pick. Could Suh be our Seymour?

Tell you the truth I'd be a little scared to jump up to #3. I think we would improve the team more with #11 and 3 2nd round picks

baja
03-16-2010, 10:55 AM
Anyone else wondering why Shanny isn't making a play for Marshall?

Could it be he knows him well enough to know he doesn't want him on his team.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 10:59 AM
instead of going through all the work of trading Marshall to Tampa, then drafting Bradford, trading Bradford to Seattle, all in the pursuit to get number 14 and 2 extra 2nd rounder, how about we just flat out trade Marshall to the Bucs for their 2-2nd rounders and keep number 11.

That works, I wasn't really thinking. I suppose the Hawks would have to sweeten the deal with extra picks as well to make the value better.

bendog
03-16-2010, 11:01 AM
I'd be good with the two twos. But it's prolly 50-50 that Stl will take bradford or Det will take Okung if Stl took Suh.

bronco militia
03-16-2010, 11:01 AM
Anyone else wondering why Shanny isn't making a play for Marshall?

Could it be he knows him well enough to know he doesn't want him on his team.

they'd have to give up the #4 overall pick.

baja
03-16-2010, 11:05 AM
they'd have to give up the #4 overall pick.

Help me out here can't Denver just trade Marshall for any deal they like even though he has been tendered with a first round pick? Sign and trade or something like that?

Gcver2ver3
03-16-2010, 11:05 AM
hey i am getting an error message now when i click on the OP link...

is it because the site is getting so much traffic?...is the site down?...

bendog
03-16-2010, 11:08 AM
i love that Denver has never been bad enough to have ever received the number 1 overall pick in a draft

we can do it AGAIN! hopefully not. (-; sorry for being an ass yesterday


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_American_Football_League_Draft

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2010, 11:13 AM
Help me out here can't Denver just trade Marshall for any deal they like even though he has been tendered with a first round pick? Sign and trade or something like that?

the 2 teams can come to an agreement on a trade. The only way they wouldn't be free to negotiate would be if Washington were to sign him to an offer sheet. the moment an RFA signs an offer sheet, the team that signed him has to send their draft pick to us.

like with Seattle, had they signed Marshall they would have had to have given up their 1st round pick. they wouldn't be able to just ship over number 14 since it is a 1st round pick, it would have to be their original pick.

so in theory Mike could call up McDaniels and say, "hey i don't want to give up number 4 overall for Brandon, but would you be interested in taking, a 2nd this year and a 1st next year for him" and if McDaniels were to agree to a proposal like that(would be nuts not to) the teams would trade and then Washington would work out a deal with him.

bronco militia
03-16-2010, 11:17 AM
Help me out here can't Denver just trade Marshall for any deal they like even though he has been tendered with a first round pick? Sign and trade or something like that?

well of course...word on the street is that the Broncos are not settling for anything less than a teams 1st rounder

we'll have to wait and see what happens after April 17.

baja
03-16-2010, 11:18 AM
the 2 teams can come to an agreement on a trade. The only way they wouldn't be free to negotiate would be if Washington were to sign him to an offer sheet. the moment an RFA signs an offer sheet, the team that signed him has to send their draft pick to us.

like with Seattle, had they signed Marshall they would have had to have given up their 1st round pick. they wouldn't be able to just ship over number 14 since it is a 1st round pick, it would have to be their original pick.

so in theory Mike could call up McDaniels and say, "hey i don't want to give up number 4 overall for Brandon, but would you be interested in taking, a 2nd this year and a 1st next year for him" and if McDaniels were to agree to a proposal like that(would be nuts not to) the teams would trade and then Washington would work out a deal with him.

Thanks - That is what I thought but but people keeps saying team X would have to give up high pick XX so they will not pursue marshall.

broncosteven
03-16-2010, 11:53 AM
Thanks - That is what I thought but but people keeps saying team X would have to give up high pick XX so they will not pursue marshall.

If they offer him a contract. Broncos still have his rights so a trade can be worked out until a week before the draft if memory serves.

NFLBRONCO
03-16-2010, 12:08 PM
well of course...word on the street is that the Broncos are not settling for anything less than a teams 1st rounder

we'll have to wait and see what happens after April 17.

I'm thinking that's what teams are waiting for honestly.

BroncoMan4ever
03-16-2010, 12:13 PM
If they offer him a contract. Broncos still have his rights so a trade can be worked out until a week before the draft if memory serves.

i always thought the minute an offer sheet is signed by an RFA all negotiations are done and that team is now on the hook for the picks that RFA was tendered at.

i thought teams could negotiate a trade between one another until as long as no offer sheet has been given or signed by the RFA.

DomCasual
03-16-2010, 12:36 PM
You're next... Prepare to be ignored! Lol

You just made the list, buddy!

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chaz
03-16-2010, 12:49 PM
Anyone else wondering why Shanny isn't making a play for Marshall?

Could it be he knows him well enough to know he doesn't want him on his team.

Besides the high first rounder, there was word Shanahan was contemplating releasing Brandon before getting fired.

broncosteven
03-16-2010, 12:53 PM
i always thought the minute an offer sheet is signed by an RFA all negotiations are done and that team is now on the hook for the picks that RFA was tendered at.

i thought teams could negotiate a trade between one another until as long as no offer sheet has been given or signed by the RFA.

That is kinda what I was trying to say.

baja
03-16-2010, 01:05 PM
Besides the high first rounder, there was word Shanahan was contemplating releasing Brandon before getting fired.

Yes but Shanny himself denied that story.

Play2win
03-16-2010, 01:06 PM
I'm interested as to why you think Suh is going to revolutionize the DT position

DT in 4-3/DE in the 3-4. Either; its mostly semantics.

TheChamp24
03-16-2010, 01:12 PM
I honestly wonder if Suh could play for us in the 3-4.
Gerald McCoy from my opinion would be a better fit, and a better pick than Suh.

broncosteven
03-16-2010, 01:46 PM
Yes but Shanny himself denied that story.

When he was fishing in Cabo?

Garcia Bronco
03-16-2010, 01:51 PM
I honestly wonder if Suh could play for us in the 3-4.
Gerald McCoy from my opinion would be a better fit, and a better pick than Suh.

McCoy is a loser who left his team out to dry in the NCG. **** him.

Suh is a once in a while type of talent. The only way I do this deal is if Suh is on the board at number 3.

baja
03-16-2010, 01:55 PM
When he was fishing in Cabo?

Actually it was on the 16th or 17th tee box

Hamrob
03-16-2010, 02:01 PM
I don't think they can trade for a player during the RFA period which ends mid April I believe. Up until that time...all a team can do is sign him to an offer sheet.

After mid April (date?), the team retains the player for the tendered offer and can do whatever they want with him..trade him for a bag of donuts if they like.

That's why we're not seeing anyone get signed to offer sheets. after mid April, trades will start happening....all the way up and on Draft day!

Marshall will get traded and we will get the equivilant of a mid to high 1st rounder for him...perhaps Seattle's #14!

UberBroncoMan
03-16-2010, 02:23 PM
Stupidest ****ing trade I've seen in a long while.

Give up a top 5 WR just to move up? **** that ****.

ayjackson
03-16-2010, 02:30 PM
I don't think they can trade for a player during the RFA period which ends mid April I believe. Up until that time...all a team can do is sign him to an offer sheet.



There's nothing stopping Brandon from signing his tender right now. Then he isn't an RFA anymore and can be traded for any compensation. And he is also free to renegotiate his contract with the acquiring team. I believe that's how a trade would go down.

peacepipe
03-16-2010, 02:35 PM
I honestly wonder if Suh could play for us in the 3-4. Gerald McCoy from my opinion would be a better fit, and a better pick than Suh.

Suh would be dominate at DE in a 3-4 defense.

bowtown
03-16-2010, 02:37 PM
I don't think they can trade for a player during the RFA period which ends mid April I believe. Up until that time...all a team can do is sign him to an offer sheet.

After mid April (date?), the team retains the player for the tendered offer and can do whatever they want with him..trade him for a bag of donuts if they like.

That's why we're not seeing anyone get signed to offer sheets. after mid April, trades will start happening....all the way up and on Draft day!

Marshall will get traded and we will get the equivilant of a mid to high 1st rounder for him...perhaps Seattle's #14!

This isn't exactly correct. The two teams can negotiate a lesser deal during the signing period as long as Marshall isn't signed to an offer sheet. HOWEVER, the thing that everyone keeps negelcting to mention is that Brandon Marshall would have to be okay going to Tampa Bay, because in order to trade him for a lesser price he MUST sign his tender with us. Until he does that, we can't trade him to anyone. He's technically not even on our roster. So to pull off a trade that is a differnt value than his tender, it would require Brandon Marshall first working out an agreeable contract with TB, not signing an offer sheet, and then signing our tender. Once he has done that we would then turn around and trade him to TB. That is pretty much exactly how the Welker transaction went down.

Now there is a a little snag in there, which is that I'm not entirely sure that the CBA "technically" allows something like this to take place. Technically a team is not allowed to offer compensation to another team to entice them to not sign a recruit to an offer sheet. It's kind of a grey area as to whether that's what's happening in this scenario. I'm not sure if the league, which is a little more strict on these things since the poinson pill deals and the Welker trade, would shut something like this down.

Also, after the signing period, the FA doesn't automatically revert back at the tender price, they just can't deal with anyone but their original team anymore. They still haev to sign the tender to be on the roster. If they don't they can sit out the year and not play, but then they will automatically be an RFA the following year again. Though with no new CBA in place, who knows what that will even mean.

Rabb
03-16-2010, 02:37 PM
Suh and Berry are the two players I look at and really think will be game changing monsters if they stay healthy

cabronco
03-16-2010, 02:40 PM
Actually it was on the 16th or 17th tee box


Is that when you were caddying and washing his balls for him ? :~ohyah!:

misturanderson
03-16-2010, 02:53 PM
McCoy is a loser who left his team out to dry in the NCG. **** him.

Suh is a once in a while type of talent. The only way I do this deal is if Suh is on the board at number 3.

Do you really think that they are talking about Colt McCoy at the #3 overall pick?

baja
03-16-2010, 03:06 PM
Is that when you were caddying and washing his balls for him ? :~ohyah!:

No it's my golf course he was negotiating a membership for himself and his family. He tried to claim Chris Simms was one of his sons wanting to include him on the membership and I called him on it. In the course of the round of golf the story about him wanting to cut Marshall was mentioned and Shanny said he never said that, he also said that Brandon was a good kid that was just very immature, he said he actually liked Brandon alot but he was having a real hard time stomaching that punk Jay Cutler. He whispered under his breath that jay was the biggest drafting mistake he ever make in 16 years of drafts. He later insinuated that Jay represented the last straw that caused Pat to let him go.

cabronco
03-16-2010, 03:17 PM
No it's my golf course he was negotiating a membership for himself and his family. He tried to claim Chris Simms was one of his sons wanting to include him on the membership and I called him on it. In the course of the round of golf the story about him wanting to cut Marshall was mentioned and Shanny said he never said that, he also said that Brandon was a good kid that was just very immature, he said he actually liked Brandon alot but he was having a real hard time stomaching that punk Jay Cutler. He whispered under his breath that jay was the biggest drafting mistake he ever make in 16 years of drafts. He later insinuated that Jay represented the last straw that caused Pat to let him go.

Ya I wouldnt let Chrissy on my golf course either. He would prolly use his wedge on the putting greens and leave big divots. That figures Jay can screw up a ham sandwich. Incidently does your golf course have any grass..

FireFly
03-16-2010, 03:36 PM
This trade is not going to happen.

We can get better value for Marshall than moving from 11 to 3.

McDaniels would know this.

baja
03-16-2010, 04:00 PM
Ya I wouldnt let Chrissy on my golf course either. He would prolly use his wedge on the putting greens and leave big divots. That figures Jay can screw up a ham sandwich. Incidently does your golf course have any grass..

Astro turf and a windmill.

Oh and a wishing well and a big machine that vends turkey sandwiches.