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tsiguy96
03-15-2010, 07:23 PM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Tackle

WR:
WR Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
WR Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
WR Arrelious Benn - Illinois

RB:
RB Toby Gerhart - Stanford
RB Monatrio Hardesty - Tennessee

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose

End

LB:

CORNER:

SAFETY:

tsiguy96
03-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Toby Gerhart - http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=954318&nid=4203219&fhn=1

Vlad - http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=952999&nid=4508905&fhn=1

The MVPlaya
03-15-2010, 07:28 PM
We held a private workout for Pike and Gilyard.

Clockwork Orange
03-15-2010, 07:29 PM
There would just be something really badass about having a 330 pound guy named Vladimir on the O-line.

baja
03-15-2010, 07:30 PM
Thanks for the thread tsiguy and I'm glad you are back.

PRBronco
03-15-2010, 07:46 PM
There would just be something really badass about having a 330 pound guy named Vladimir on the O-line.

I would automatically call him the Impaler.

Also Toby Gerhart wins at life.

watermock
03-15-2010, 07:54 PM
Good God.

Not again!

Now we're going to spend a second on another Hillis with worse hands?

We allready have a slow back. This guy isn't any faster than Moreno OR Hillis.

baja
03-15-2010, 07:59 PM
Good God.

Not again!

Now we're going to spend a second or 3rd on another Hillis with worse hands?

LOL Mock you crack me up. ;D

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:04 PM
G Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
2. C Matt Tennant - Boston College
3. JD Walton - Baylor
4. Toby Gerhart - Stanford
5. Tony Pike - Cincinnati
6. Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati

Wow, a bucket of fail right there.

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:05 PM
LOL Mock you crack me up. ;D

Hillis had 4.45 speed before he put on 245. This guy is only 230.

Harvitz81
03-15-2010, 08:06 PM
G Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
2. C Matt Tennant - Boston College
3. JD Walton - Baylor
4. Toby Gerhart - Stanford
5. Tony Pike - Cincinnati
6. Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati

Wow, a bucket of fail right there.

The bucket of fail is on you. If we ended up with Ducasse and either Tennant or Walton I would be doing backflips. That would solidify our interior line pretty well.

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:08 PM
Crack this up.
Broncos Gearing Up For Hillis Replacement
by Chris Steuber of ScoutNFLNetwork.com, March 15, 2010 at 10:10pm ET

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:17 PM
I was talking about Gerhart and picking 2 interior linemen with serious offense issues is absurd, despite using 6 of 9 picks on offense last draft.

The board isn't mine, and it's an indication who will be taken.

We are running out of skill positions.

watermock
03-15-2010, 08:19 PM
Too bad we don't have 14, huh...THEN we could pick BPA.

I don't like that list. Sue me.

I know Beavis is going to pick off it just like last year.

tsiguy96
03-15-2010, 08:20 PM
mock for the love of god stay out of this thread.

Dagmar
03-15-2010, 08:21 PM
Mock = on fire!

_Oro_
03-15-2010, 08:21 PM
Could you put their positions on the list for us lazy peeps?

baja
03-15-2010, 08:53 PM
Too bad we don't have 14, huh...THEN we could pick BPA.

I don't like that list. Sue me.

I know Beavis is going to pick off it just like last year.

Where is your list of favorites Mock, surely you have one....

Paladin
03-15-2010, 09:19 PM
Mock don't do lists.

He do........


?

thumpc
03-15-2010, 10:12 PM
Ole Miss' Dexter McCluster on thursday.
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=954351&nid=4371237&fhn=1

ZONA
03-15-2010, 10:18 PM
G Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
2. C Matt Tennant - Boston College
3. JD Walton - Baylor
4. Toby Gerhart - Stanford
5. Tony Pike - Cincinnati
6. Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati

Wow, a bucket of fail right there.

Well if you say they are failures, that must mean they probably will turn out to be great players. Glad to see our coach is on the right track and working out players that one day will be great.

:rofl:

Doggcow
03-16-2010, 12:19 AM
Toby Gerhart is a stud.

watermock
03-16-2010, 12:29 AM
Well if you say they are failures, that must mean they probably will turn out to be great players. Glad to see our coach is on the right track and working out players that one day will be great.

:rofl:


We had 3 first rounders last year, (according to Beavis).

If we trade what is left of the '06 draft, I guess we might find a player.

tsiguy96
03-16-2010, 08:08 AM
i realize its early, but the list shows what side of the ball denver is looking to upgrade so far.

tsiguy96
03-16-2010, 07:42 PM
anyone have any more? i cant find any.

extralife
03-16-2010, 07:45 PM
I'd rather not spend another high pick on a running back.

baja
03-16-2010, 07:46 PM
anyone have any more? i cant find any.

Make a post with the total list, player and position

tsiguy96
03-16-2010, 07:48 PM
Make a post with the total list, player and position

ummm did that?

strafen
03-16-2010, 07:56 PM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Tackle

WR/RB:
WR Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
RB Toby Gerhart - Stanfor
WR Dexter McCluster - Mississippi

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
End

LB:

SECONDARY:If there was ever a reason for me to be thankful for Mcd to have been in the New England area is that he might opt for Matt Tennant center from Boston College.
I really like him, especially since he's one that we would have a more realistic to still be on the board by the time we pick in the 2nd or even on the 3rd round...

strafen
03-16-2010, 07:59 PM
A legit Center and a legit Nose Tackle with solid talent to play in the NFL will be great for us. We need to solidify the the anchors of the offense and defense side of the ball...

Broncosfreak_56
03-16-2010, 08:18 PM
Glad to see we are looking to upgrade our interior offensive line. That was what killed us most on offense last year.

tsiguy96
03-19-2010, 05:44 PM
updated

HooptyHoops
03-19-2010, 05:53 PM
tsiguy96, thanks for starting and keeping up with this thread. Last year all of our draft picks came from visits, so it will be an interesting thread to refer back to! Awesome idea!!

baja
03-19-2010, 06:19 PM
How come Dragster doesn't have a rep icon?

tsiguy96
03-19-2010, 06:24 PM
ps, not looking good for those who want a heavy defensive draft!

Archer81
03-19-2010, 06:31 PM
I'd rather not spend another high pick on a running back.


I wouldnt mind it. If we pick Toby, we pick him. Gives you the shifty guy in Moreno, power guy in gerhart (sp) and the all purpose guys in Buck and Arrington.

:Broncos:

watermock
03-19-2010, 06:52 PM
We release Davis, sign 3 DL and don't bring in a single LB?

God hope we draft Spiller or Bryant.

We are going to need some playmakers if BM is gone.

watermock
03-19-2010, 06:55 PM
I wouldnt mind it. If we pick Toby, we pick him. Gives you the shifty guy in Moreno, power guy in gerhart (sp) and the all purpose guys in Buck and Arrington.

:Broncos:

How is Moreno "shifty"?

Baba Booey
03-19-2010, 07:13 PM
I like Hardesty as a second day guy and I would also be thrilled if Benn is there at 45.

Archer81
03-19-2010, 07:38 PM
How is Moreno "shifty"?


Because he is.

I recognize you hate Moreno because McDaniels picked him, so any judgement you have will be skewed.


:Broncos:

tsiguy96
03-19-2010, 07:47 PM
I like Hardesty as a second day guy and I would also be thrilled if Benn is there at 45.

not really possible that benn slips taht far. gonna have to give up a 4th to get him as well i imagine.

Hamrob
03-19-2010, 08:21 PM
Because he is.

I recognize you hate Moreno because McDaniels picked him, so any judgement you have will be skewed.


:Broncos:I agree he is shifty...but, he was also slow, slow, slow!

Gawd I hope Moreno, Ayers, Smith, Quinn & McBath look better this year than they did as Rooks. Any team with 5 guys in the first two rounds should be looking good. Right now, we can't say that from these five guys.

Best Value at #11 for us will be McClain, Bryant, Spiller.

If we reach again in this draft...

Baba Booey
03-19-2010, 08:24 PM
not really possible that benn slips taht far. gonna have to give up a 4th to get him as well i imagine.

One can dream. I guess we can hope for a Jackson-esque slip into the second round for Benn (then watch us take a different receiver at 45).

tsiguy96
03-19-2010, 08:29 PM
I agree he is shifty...but, he was also slow, slow, slow!

Gawd I hope Moreno, Ayers, Smith, Quinn & McBath look better this year than they did as Rooks. Any team with 5 guys in the first two rounds should be looking good. Right now, we can't say that from these five guys.

Best Value at #11 for us will be McClain, Bryant, Spiller.

If we reach again in this draft...

mcbath played pretty good. ayers showed flashes with pressures. smith straight sucked, quinn was ineffective as far as i know i dont know how his run blocking was.

Baba Booey
03-19-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm so disappointed in Smith so far simply because he was so good in college. A project like Ayers or a role player like Quinn is one thing, but the ACC's all time interceptions leader should NOT have struggled like he did, rookie year or not.

SoDak Bronco
03-20-2010, 06:59 PM
Mississippi receiver Dexter McCluster said on SIRIUS NFL radio Saturday he will have a private workout with Denver.

Tombstone RJ
03-20-2010, 08:15 PM
I hope McD and X are fast learners because their first draft looks to be well, struggling to impress. Ayers better get a whole lot better at OLB. Why Moss is still on the team is beyond me. What are the Broncos trying to get out of Moss anyway? Move him to OLB opposite Ayers or something.

This is an important draft coming up. McDumbass better not show up on draft day. It better be McFuggen Genius that shows up. Really, he has to start showing everyone he's the best young HC in the NFL and this would be a huge start if he scores heavy on this draft.

Bronco Yoda
03-20-2010, 08:25 PM
Maybe we can move Moss to RB?

...i kid...i kid.

DBroncos4life
03-20-2010, 08:49 PM
Someone should tell them it would be OK to work out a player on defense. ;)

tsiguy96
03-21-2010, 12:07 PM
according to scout.com, iupati will NOT be working out for us, but will be working out for about 12 other teams.

DawnBTVS
03-21-2010, 12:29 PM
A source for McCluster...

http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/16/1375407/broncos-to-hold-private-workout (RB Dexter McCluster)

DawnBTVS
03-22-2010, 08:19 AM
I figured it could also help to see where scouts attend general workouts...

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20100320/SPORTS0401/3200349/Former-MSU-player-Harbor-happy-with-NFL-workout (Missouri State - TE Clay Harbor seemed to be the standout)

tsiguy96
03-24-2010, 03:38 PM
can you really not edit posts that are over a week old?

tsiguy96
03-24-2010, 03:39 PM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Tackle

WR:
WR Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
WR Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
WR Arrelious Benn - Illinois

RB:
RB Toby Gerhart - Stanford
RB Monatrio Hardesty - Tennessee

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
LB:

CORNER:

SAFETY:

DawnBTVS
03-27-2010, 12:04 PM
Huh... weird that you can't edit older posts as I went to edit the above Clay Harbor post with this tidbit.

http://www.cm-life.com/2010/03/26/zombo-other-seniors-use-pro-day-as-chance-to-be-noticed/

"Frank Zombo (Central Michigan) went into workouts Wednesday with the realization that his football career could be coming to a close. Instead, he ended with a chance to reach the next level — perhaps at a different position.


Zombo (6-foot 3, 254 pounds) started the day benching 23 times and running the 40-yard dash in 4.71 seconds, a time that exceeded most expectations. By the time Pro Day ended, Zombo, who played defensive end all four years at CMU, was getting looks at tight end from the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, and Denver Broncos."


Interesting that three AFC West teams were working him out as a potential TE. Could be a guy looked at the later rounds or as a priority free agent project.

Cool Breeze
03-27-2010, 12:37 PM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Tackle

WR:
WR Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
WR Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
WR Arrelious Benn - Illinois

RB:
RB Toby Gerhart - Stanford
RB Monatrio Hardesty - Tennessee

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
LB:

CORNER:

SAFETY:

Not one of these guys appear to be a #11 pick - do I smell a trade?

tsiguy96
03-28-2010, 12:28 PM
bump, wonder why we arent hearing more?

gyldenlove
03-28-2010, 01:49 PM
bump, wonder why we arent hearing more?

Last year we had a lot more rumors at this point, I am wondering if they are asking prospects not to tell.

Tombstone RJ
03-28-2010, 02:15 PM
Last year we had a lot more rumors at this point, I am wondering if they are asking prospects not to tell.

How do you think this would happen? "Hi, I'm Josh McDaniels, we've brought you here for a personal workout. But don't tell anyone. It's a secret. Don't go talking about being in Denver or that you came in for a work out or anything like that. If you blab, we won't draft you. So there."

_Oro_
03-28-2010, 02:19 PM
Smokescreen

meangene
03-28-2010, 04:52 PM
I think Mayock said the other day that teams only get 30 official visits, or individual workouts. Makes sense to wait until pro days are complete, guys get healthy, we have an idea on our free agent situation, and get closer to setting our final draft board. Also, picking as early as we are in the first, having visits with the top guys we are looking at there might well tip our hand.

Dedhed
03-29-2010, 07:34 PM
Bump to get some tool's bumps off the front page.

tsiguy96
03-31-2010, 02:33 PM
updated with terrance cody, per PFT

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Tackle

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Monatrio Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina

LB:
Koa Misi - Utah

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA

SAFETY:

Requiem
03-31-2010, 04:06 PM
Interesting to note that the Chargers and Chiefs will also bring in Cody. With the recent Chargers trade, I hate that both them and the Chiefs are picking ahead of us now in round two, even some other 3-4 teams that could look at a top prospect at NT or on the DL. Frustrating. Grrr.

thumpc
03-31-2010, 04:26 PM
But some of the high-profile guys catch our attention. One such guy is this year's winner of the Alabama man-boob competition, defensive tackle Terrence Cody (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5770).

We're told that he will visit the Ravens, Redskins, Chargers, Broncos, and Chiefs.

Again, it doesn't mean that any of those teams are serious about Cody. Hell, it could be that they simply want to see him do the Truffle Shuffle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5whaRkuipU).

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/teams-are-checking-out-terrence-cody/

meangene
03-31-2010, 04:45 PM
NFLN reports we will be meeting with Spiller. !Booya!

baja
03-31-2010, 04:48 PM
NFLN reports we will be meeting with Spiller. !Booya!

got a link by chance?

tsiguy96
03-31-2010, 05:21 PM
laconfora said it, itll be online soon enough im sure

big56fan#1
03-31-2010, 05:22 PM
NFL | Shipley to meet with three teams
Comment (0)
Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:42:21 -0700

Charean Williams, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports University of Texas WR Jordan Shipley is scheduled to meet with the Atlanta Falcons, Denver Broncos and Tennessee Titans.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0jnsLeGKN

broncowill
03-31-2010, 05:30 PM
NFL | Shipley to meet with three teams
Comment (0)
Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:42:21 -0700

Charean Williams, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports University of Texas WR Jordan Shipley is scheduled to meet with the Atlanta Falcons, Denver Broncos and Tennessee Titans.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0jnsLeGKN

makes sense could give mcdaniels his own welker

meangene
03-31-2010, 05:36 PM
got a link by chance?

Naw, they mentioned it on Total Access tonight. 4 or 5 teams he would be meeting with.

DBroncos4life
03-31-2010, 05:43 PM
NFL | Shipley to meet with three teams
Comment (0)
Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:42:21 -0700

Charean Williams, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports University of Texas WR Jordan Shipley is scheduled to meet with the Atlanta Falcons, Denver Broncos and Tennessee Titans.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0jnsLeGKN

I figured we would be after him.

baja
03-31-2010, 05:47 PM
Naw, they mentioned it on Total Access tonight. 4 or 5 teams he would be meeting with.

Do you remember the other teams on the list?

meangene
03-31-2010, 05:51 PM
Do you remember the other teams on the list?

I think Buffalo was one that stood out to me. It will be replayed tonight.

baja
03-31-2010, 05:52 PM
Ya I think buffalo will take him unless aQB they like drops

Baba Booey
03-31-2010, 05:57 PM
When would you guys want to see us pick a guy like Shipley?

meangene
03-31-2010, 06:02 PM
Ya I think buffalo will take him unless aQB they like drops

That seems to be gathering steam in some mocks. Doesn't really make sense to me - they have two pretty good backs and big needs at OT and OLB. I guess if they pass on an OT for Spiller it could slide a guy like Bulaga to us.

DBroncos4life
03-31-2010, 06:03 PM
When would you guys want to see us pick a guy like Shipley?

What round comes after never :P

baja
03-31-2010, 06:09 PM
That seems to be gathering steam in some mocks. Doesn't really make sense to me - they have two pretty good backs and big needs at OT and OLB. I guess if they pass on an OT for Spiller it could slide a guy like Bulaga to us.

That would be OK too

FireFly
03-31-2010, 06:35 PM
I agree he is shifty...but, he was also slow, slow, slow!

Gawd I hope Moreno, Ayers, Smith, Quinn & McBath look better this year than they did as Rooks. Any team with 5 guys in the first two rounds should be looking good. Right now, we can't say that from these five guys.


If we reach again in this draft...

kinda true actually - I'd never really thought about it like that.

I really hate the Smith pick, not because of what we gave up -i'd happily give up next years 1st for a 2nd this year that had a 1st round grade - but not unless they were physically capable of starting in the NFL and talent aside I think height/size is always going to be an issue for Smith. He's just going to get out matched by the huge WR that are dominating the league at the moment. It's too easy for opposing offences to create match up problems with him out there.

Moreno is good, but was a very high pick and so really needs to be a premier RB to justify where he was picked, which at this point he's not and RB isn't really one of the posistions that needs as much time to make the transition from college to NFL.

Ayers I think should be given time. I still think that given time, and effort on his part he could develop in to a solid starter. The same applies to McBath.

I still have no idea what we have in Quinn or even why we selected him.

oubronco
03-31-2010, 07:52 PM
When would you guys want to see us pick a guy like Shipley?

Dude is fast and would make a pretty good slot WR

tsiguy96
04-02-2010, 03:00 AM
jacoby ford added

ELEVATION
04-02-2010, 03:04 AM
you need to add DE odrick, NT terrence cody, DE/olb Koa misi, NT Terell troup

tsiguy96
04-02-2010, 03:07 AM
you need to add DE odrick, NT terrence cody, DE/olb Koa misi, NT Terell troup

read my updated one about post 70 or so, i cant update the original post anymore. didnt know about the last 2 though.

thumpc
04-02-2010, 03:48 AM
updated with terrance cody, per PFT

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Tackle

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Monatrio Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U

LB:
Koa Misi - Utah

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA

SAFETY:


DE/olb Koa misi, NT Terell troup

Had to dig a little.

ELEVATION
04-02-2010, 04:10 AM
read my updated one about post 70 or so, i cant update the original post anymore. didnt know about the last 2 though.

got it....thanks...and the no edit original post thing sucks, i have the same issue on the mania...lol

tsiguy96
04-02-2010, 09:59 AM
updated with terrance cody, per PFT

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA

SAFETY:

updated with cj wilson, thought i added him before. also added weatherspoon and williams. from what i udnerstand so far this is the extent of who we know visited or we visited.

DawnBTVS
04-02-2010, 12:44 PM
It seems they have 10 spots left (30 max, right?)

meangene
04-02-2010, 01:46 PM
Heavy on WR's and a lot of second and third round type guys with just a few first-rounders. Makes you think about where the Marshall thing may be headed.

gyldenlove
04-02-2010, 02:11 PM
It seems they have 10 spots left (30 max, right?)

30 for personal workouts, some of these would probably just be interviews or workouts at pro days or during the combine.

BMarsh615
04-02-2010, 03:45 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Joe-Hawley-to-visit-Broncos-work-out-for-Eagles.html

UNLV center-guard Joe Hawley is scheduled to visit the Denver Broncos next Wednesday, according to a source close to the program.

Hawley is also set for a private workout with the Philadelphia Eagles on Thursday.

Hawley has previously conducted private workouts with the Denver Broncos, Atlanta Falcons and the Chicago Bears.

Hawley is a 6-foot-3, 297-pounderwho bench pressed 225 pounds 35 times at the combine. He ran the 40-yard dash in 5.21 seconds.

He improved his vertical leap to 31 1/2 inches at his Pro Day.

He has been projected between the middle to later rounds, according to draft analysts.

DawnBTVS
04-02-2010, 05:35 PM
Good to see that Denver seems to be seriously focusing on the "need" at Center interviewing at least 3 names, 1 of which has C/G versatility.

robbieopperude
04-02-2010, 07:44 PM
Where are the workouts for our number 1 prospect. Besides Spiller I don't think anyone else is a first round guy on the list.

robbieopperude
04-02-2010, 07:51 PM
I see alot of 2nd round guys on the list. Maybe McD knows who he wants in the first and is just blowing smoke on Spiller.

eddie mac
04-02-2010, 08:16 PM
Where are the workouts for our number 1 prospect. Besides Spiller I don't think anyone else is a first round guy on the list.

IMHO both Weatherspoon and Odrick are 1st rd locks.

oldustyballs
04-03-2010, 01:45 AM
I am thinking more and more that we are going to be trading back in round 1 and spoon is going to be the pick.

robbieopperude
04-03-2010, 03:51 AM
IMHO both Weatherspoon and Odrick are 1st rd locks.

Probably not where we are picking..but then it is the Patriot way to overdraft the player you want. The Chiefs did this last year and Belicheck has been doing that the last few years as well. I know Jerrod wasn't rated highly on boards until everyone sniffed out that the Pats were going to draft him high. In fact I remember he was carrying a 2nd round grade up until about a week before the draft.

So I am prepared to throw my remote when the Broncos pick someone who could have been there at 25 at pick 11.

meangene
04-03-2010, 04:16 AM
Probably not where we are picking..but then it is the Patriot way to overdraft the player you want. The Chiefs did this last year and Belicheck has been doing that the last few years as well. I know Jerrod wasn't rated highly on boards until everyone sniffed out that the Pats were going to draft him high. In fact I remember he was carrying a 2nd round grade up until about a week before the draft.

So I am prepared to throw my remote when the Broncos pick someone who could have been there at 25 at pick 11.

If our pick turns out like Mayo, I won't complain! :approve:

_Oro_
04-03-2010, 08:22 AM
Wasn't Mayo the highest rated LB tho?

DawnBTVS
04-03-2010, 09:45 AM
I think one issue with the thought process behind "Guy A being picked at 11 when he could've been had at 25" (or anything similar) is the massive assumption that said player would drop to that spot.

It's fair to say for guys who are mostly projected as 3rd Round going early 2nd Round but risky for guys who can go in the same round. All it takes is one team in between 11 and 25 to say, "We really like this guy so let's grab him" and suddenly the guy you wanted is gone and you're stuck at 25 when you could've had him at 11.

I trust the scouting done by McDaniels and his staff (Read Michael Holley's book "Patriot Reign" for an interesting insight into the 2002-2003 drafts) and if they really feel that a player is good enough to warrant being selected at a spot, I'd trust their instincts over the media/fan "belief" that said player could've/might've/would've dropped.

Most of the players considered reaches by the Patriots have been fairly successful and I could see Denver having similar success if their scouting is as good as it can be.

CEH
04-03-2010, 01:24 PM
As expected Pouncey will visit Denver

tsiguy96
04-03-2010, 01:32 PM
I think one issue with the thought process behind "Guy A being picked at 11 when he could've been had at 25" (or anything similar) is the massive assumption that said player would drop to that spot.

It's fair to say for guys who are mostly projected as 3rd Round going early 2nd Round but risky for guys who can go in the same round. All it takes is one team in between 11 and 25 to say, "We really like this guy so let's grab him" and suddenly the guy you wanted is gone and you're stuck at 25 when you could've had him at 11.

I trust the scouting done by McDaniels and his staff (Read Michael Holley's book "Patriot Reign" for an interesting insight into the 2002-2003 drafts) and if they really feel that a player is good enough to warrant being selected at a spot, I'd trust their instincts over the media/fan "belief" that said player could've/might've/would've dropped.

Most of the players considered reaches by the Patriots have been fairly successful and I could see Denver having similar success if their scouting is as good as it can be.

its funny for people to assume that we would overdraft a guy like odrick because hes supposedly going to be there in last 1st. we dont know that, and the "pro mocker" people like mayock dont either. if you really like a guy and think he can contribute a lot, you take him.

SouthStndJunkie
04-03-2010, 02:10 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Kareem-Jackson-to-visit-Cardinals-Jets-Browns-Broncos-Jaguars-and-Rams.html

University of Alabama cornerback Kareem Jackson is scheduled to visit the Arizona Cardinals, New York Jets, Cleveland Browns, Denver Broncos, Jacksonville Jaguars and the St. Louis Rams, according to a source close to the program with knowledge of the situation.

Baba Booey
04-03-2010, 02:11 PM
Give me any member of Alabama's defense from last year. Jesus Christ were they nasty.

DawnBTVS
04-03-2010, 03:28 PM
And confirmation on WR Dez Bryant

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/dez-bryant-has-talent-but-miami-dolphins-must-512218.html

"Bryant had dinner Wednesday with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and also met with quarterback Tony Romo. He has visits scheduled with Tampa Bay, Denver, Seattle and Cleveland, which all have picks before the Dolphins do."

robbieopperude
04-03-2010, 06:11 PM
its funny for people to assume that we would overdraft a guy like odrick because hes supposedly going to be there in last 1st. we dont know that, and the "pro mocker" people like mayock dont either. if you really like a guy and think he can contribute a lot, you take him.

The Patriots were notorious for over drafting players a few years ago. I remember the Logan Mankins pick for example. I'm not saying taking a guy ten picks to soon is bad but I think there has to be a way you can move back three spots and still get the guy you want. The Colts put on a clinic doing this when they drafted Marvin Harrison. Move back a few spots pick up some mid rounders and get the guy you want. I am all for taking the best guy on the board.

Yes, NE also hit on Mayo but it was still considered an overdraft. I am certain the guy was considered a 2nd round pick and then he shot up draft boards when word came NE was going to take him. I do think he was also the highest rated ILB but w/only a 2nd round grade from Kiper. Then again Kiper has about ten mock drafts going at once when it gets up to draft time and it is confusing to see where he has everyone ranked until the damn thing starts.

DawnBTVS
04-03-2010, 06:23 PM
I'd hardly take the opinions of a Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, or even Mike Mayock as gospel on the type of round grade a player has. They're basically sports fans offering their own opinions on where a player is warranted selection wise (and very rarely do they ever figure out a team's scheme and whether said player even fits the team in mock drafts). The big difference is they get paid and often negatively impact prospects (see McShay talking up Andre Woodson as a 1st round pick and Woodson plummets to the 6th round).

To tie into that, an OLB like Ricky Sapp out of Clemson would probably have a higher grade for a 3-4 defense that needs a pass rush LB than a 4-3 team that is looking for a run stuffing DE. So of course that 3-4 D would "reach" for him compared to other teams, partly due to need and due to the way the guy would fit in their scheme.

Also keep in mind that "reaches" are all in the eye of the beholder so to speak. A team may see a guy as a 1st round talent and have a 1st round grade on him. They see him dropping to the late 1st and trade up to get him and suddenly the Kipers and McShays are all incredulous that Team A traded up to take Player B because they only had that guy as a 2nd Round grade.

robbieopperude
04-03-2010, 08:09 PM
Kiper, McShay, Mayock all put a lot of work into there rankings and projections. They all have different philosophies just like teams on what makes a talent a first round grade but they do apply those beliefs. I still look at the list we are bringing in and don't see alot of guys I would consider at 11 on there. Dez and Spiller for sure. I am against the philsophy of always taking need over talent. That just makes other teams better. You take the top player on your board and play him and find ways to utilize him. I'm not one for taking a OG who is your 25th ranked guy because that is what you need and you skip on the explosive WR or RB because you don't need him. You do that enough years in a row and you are constantly losing talent level to other teams.

You also have to look at positional value. OG is one of the worst values for the 1st round. You can take busted OT's and put them there or find OG's in rounds 2-4 who are nearly as talented. That is why I would never sign off on taking an OG at pick 11. I would rather have Spiller and find a way to get him 15-20 touches a game or take Dez Bryant who would make an excellent tandem with BM if we keep him.

tsiguy96
04-04-2010, 10:10 AM
updated with pouncey and dez bryant.

OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama

SAFETY:

Elway777
04-04-2010, 02:41 PM
If the Broncos get the 14 pick I could see the Broncos going with Dez Bryant at 11 the either McClain or Weatherspoon at 14 pick because we cut Davis.

Dedhed
04-04-2010, 04:43 PM
I think one issue with the thought process behind "Guy A being picked at 11 when he could've been had at 25" (or anything similar) is the massive assumption that said player would drop to that spot.

It's fair to say for guys who are mostly projected as 3rd Round going early 2nd Round but risky for guys who can go in the same round. All it takes is one team in between 11 and 25 to say, "We really like this guy so let's grab him" and suddenly the guy you wanted is gone and you're stuck at 25 when you could've had him at 11.

I trust the scouting done by McDaniels and his staff (Read Michael Holley's book "Patriot Reign" for an interesting insight into the 2002-2003 drafts) and if they really feel that a player is good enough to warrant being selected at a spot, I'd trust their instincts over the media/fan "belief" that said player could've/might've/would've dropped.

Most of the players considered reaches by the Patriots have been fairly successful and I could see Denver having similar success if their scouting is as good as it can be.

That's why I always say it isn't a reach unless you take a player a full round early. The idea of trading back 10 slots to get the player you want at a better value is stupid.

You only trade back if there are more players that you like left on the board than the number of spots you trade back. If you don't really feel that any of them is head and shoulders above the others and you're guaranteed of getting one of them, then you trade back.

If you have a target and he's on the board, you take him. Screwing around and trying to save a handful of value points is risky at the least, and no team in the league does it. Yet every year that's what people around here pine for.

elsid13
04-04-2010, 04:48 PM
I think one issue with the thought process behind "Guy A being picked at 11 when he could've been had at 25" (or anything similar) is the massive assumption that said player would drop to that spot.

It's fair to say for guys who are mostly projected as 3rd Round going early 2nd Round but risky for guys who can go in the same round. All it takes is one team in between 11 and 25 to say, "We really like this guy so let's grab him" and suddenly the guy you wanted is gone and you're stuck at 25 when you could've had him at 11.

I trust the scouting done by McDaniels and his staff (Read Michael Holley's book "Patriot Reign" for an interesting insight into the 2002-2003 drafts) and if they really feel that a player is good enough to warrant being selected at a spot, I'd trust their instincts over the media/fan "belief" that said player could've/might've/would've dropped.

Most of the players considered reaches by the Patriots have been fairly successful and I could see Denver having similar success if their scouting is as good as it can be.

Remember Xanders was never part of NE and McDaniels, like most of the assistant coaches, were not involved in the draft decision. We had two rookies working the draft board last season. Hopefully they will be more prepared but lets not think because McDaniels was in NE that he has insight on the draft that other teams GM don't.

robbieopperude
04-04-2010, 07:10 PM
Has NE really done that well in the drafts lately. I think the best part of the NE way is getting value out of the free agents they sign or trade for. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, Cory Dillon, etc... They do a great job re-salvaging aging careers.

DawnBTVS
04-05-2010, 07:22 AM
Has NE really done that well in the drafts lately. I think the best part of the NE way is getting value out of the free agents they sign or trade for. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, Cory Dillon, etc... They do a great job re-salvaging aging careers.

Absolutely... the issue is that most of the guys they're getting from the draft who do well are guys fans of other teams would merely consider role player type guys but who Patriots fans see as the important cogs they are.

2007 Brandon Meriweather (Very solid player but has a penchant for dropping INTs. Seriously, the guy would have 4-5 a year if he could hang onto the ball). 2008 saw Jerod Mayo, Terrence Wheatley, and Jonathan Wilhite. Both Wheatley and Wilhite improved in 2009 and should help form a solid nucleus in the secondary.

2009 saw Sebastian Vollmer step in as a stud at offensive line. Patrick Chung at S was solid but should improve in 2010. Brandon Tate is expected to have a big role in 2010 but missed almost all of 2009 and Myron Pryor was a good rotational guy along the DLine. Of course, the big prize was Julian Edelman showing he could be the twin of Wes Welker on the field in every single little facet from the way he settles down in routes to blocking.

It's the equivalent of other fans seeing guys like Robert Ayers, Alphonso Smith, and Darcel McBath as role players (same for David Bruton). Real fans of the Broncos know that while they may not have started all 16 games, most of them played key roles in various games or down the stretch of the season.

tsiguy96
04-05-2010, 07:55 PM
updated with kareem jackson.

this is a good list of players.

Baba Booey
04-05-2010, 08:14 PM
updated with kareem jackson.

this is a good list of players.

Agreed, especially the WR's and the CB's.

DawnBTVS
04-07-2010, 06:32 AM
Updating to add: http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=reiss_mike&id=5061908

DE Tyson Alualu

"Alualu credits the Cal coaching staff with providing the springboard to putting him on the cusp of entering the NFL. In addition to visiting the Patriots, he has been hosted by the Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=dal) and Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den). The Atlanta Falcons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl) also have plans to put him through a private workout before the draft."

baja
04-07-2010, 07:06 AM
can we have a list update

Cool Breeze
04-07-2010, 08:32 AM
USC wide receiver Damian Williams is set to conduct a private workout with the Denver Broncos on Thursday, per a league source with knowledge of the situation.
One of the highest-ranked wide receiver prospects, Williams is also set to work out for the Atlanta Falcons on Saturday.
Williams has upcoming visits with the Broncos and the St. Louis Rams next Monday and Tuesday.
Williams ran the 40-yard dash in 4.52 seconds at the NFL scouting combine, also registering a 38-inch vertical leap. He bench pressed 225 pounds 19 times and turned in a 9-10 broad jump.
The 6-foot-1, 197-pounder caught 70 passes for 1,010 yards and six touchdowns last season.
He also doubled as a dangerous punt returner, averaging 14.2 yards per return.
As a sophomore after transferring from Arkansas, Williams caught 58 passes for 869 yards and nine touchdowns.
Williams caught 12 passes for 189 yards in an Emerald Bowl win over Boston College in his final game for the Trojans.
He's projected as a second-round draft pick.

tsiguy96
04-07-2010, 08:38 AM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama

SAFETY:

baja
04-07-2010, 08:40 AM
These are not first day guys wonder what that means

PRBronco
04-07-2010, 08:43 AM
These are not first day guys wonder what that means

Epic reach? :wiggle:

LonghornBronco
04-07-2010, 08:48 AM
Trade down?!

Br0nc0Buster
04-07-2010, 08:49 AM
These are not first day guys wonder what that means

Odrick, Spiller, Bryant, Pouncey, and Weatherspoon are

baja
04-07-2010, 08:52 AM
Odrick, Spiller, Bryant, Pouncey, and Weatherspoon are

Spiller is the only ligit selection at 11

Mogulseeker
04-07-2010, 08:54 AM
There would just be something really badass about having a 330 pound guy named Vladimir on the O-line.

Yeah, but he scored a 13 on the Wonderlic. That's borderline retarded.

Br0nc0Buster
04-07-2010, 08:54 AM
Spiller is the only ligit selection at 11

I think Odricks stock will rise as the draft nears
I wouldnt mind him
I think Spiller is the best player of that bunch but I doubt Josh goes RB RB back to back like that in the 1st round

baja
04-07-2010, 08:56 AM
Yeah, but he scored a 13 on the Wonderlic. That's borderline retarded.

If that is the case than he will never reach us Shanahan will take him.

tsiguy96
04-07-2010, 08:58 AM
Yeah, but he scored a 13 on the Wonderlic. That's borderline retarded.

clady scored a 12

Mogulseeker
04-07-2010, 09:21 AM
According to KFFL, Clady scored a 13... I had to see it to believe it. He'll probably do better if he did it again, I'm assuming.

tsiguy96
04-07-2010, 09:27 AM
i heard vladimir on sirius radio, cool accent, born in haiti and came to america at 14 years old i think. high school football coach convinced him to try to play as a junior, and here he is now.

PRBronco
04-07-2010, 09:34 AM
Hmm, the wide receivers are really starting to pile up on that list aren't they?

Requiem
04-07-2010, 09:43 AM
Absolutely. There are a lot of weapons at WR in this draft. The Broncos would be wise to grab another one, whether or not Marshall stays here or not. Stokley is getting up there in age, McKinley did nothing last year, and then we have Jabar and Eddie. If Marshall gets traded, our corps looks like piss.

gyldenlove
04-07-2010, 09:45 AM
I think Odricks stock will rise as the draft nears
I wouldnt mind him
I think Spiller is the best player of that bunch but I doubt Josh goes RB RB back to back like that in the 1st round

Odrick's stock is flying up, he may not even be available at 11 now, both Cleveland and Buffalo could take him.

baja
04-07-2010, 09:49 AM
Latest News
03/25/2010 - Penn State DE Jared Odrick, widely considered a first-round prospect, has already met with the Falcons, Browns and Broncos. Odrick now has visits scheduled next month with the Saints (April 12), Jets (April 5, 6) and Cowboys (date to be determined). NFL.com's Pat Kirwan and Bucky Brooks each have Odrick going 22nd to the Patriots in their latest mock drafts, while NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock ranks him fourth among all defensive ends. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com

Mediator12
04-07-2010, 10:41 AM
Odrick is all over the place. Teams initially did not see him as a 3-4 DE because one of his weaknesses is not holding a gap. He is a penetrating DL. That is his skillset, not anchoring at the POA. Now, it seems there is a ton of interest in him as a 3-4 DE. I just do not see it, and especially as an early pick before 20. He does not have the value to do that IMHO.

Requiem
04-07-2010, 10:53 AM
Wholeheartedly agree. Putting him at a 5 in a 3-4 will negate all the skills he excels at as a player. I just don't see the fit. I can see the size and the infatuation about it. He doesn't shed blocks well and gets stonewalled when double-teamed. He is not the kind of guy I want on the outside in our 3-4. I will literally puke all over myself if this happens. He needs to go to a 4-3 team where he can use his superb penetration skills to get after the quarterback. Heck, he rarely made any big time plays at Penn State -- I really do not get the whole jerk session people are having over him. I would not touch him before the 20s, and as a 3-4 team, I wouldn't even consider him.

tsiguy96
04-07-2010, 07:59 PM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle
Jared Veldheer - Hillsdale

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State
Armanti Edwards (WR/KR) - Appalachian State

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California
Al Woods - LSU
Dan Williams - Tennessee

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama

SAFETY:

al woods, tackle from LSU, per ravensinsider on twitter

gyldenlove
04-07-2010, 08:44 PM
Wholeheartedly agree. Putting him at a 5 in a 3-4 will negate all the skills he excels at as a player. I just don't see the fit. I can see the size and the infatuation about it. He doesn't shed blocks well and gets stonewalled when double-teamed. He is not the kind of guy I want on the outside in our 3-4. I will literally puke all over myself if this happens. He needs to go to a 4-3 team where he can use his superb penetration skills to get after the quarterback. Heck, he rarely made any big time plays at Penn State -- I really do not get the whole jerk session people are having over him. I would not touch him before the 20s, and as a 3-4 team, I wouldn't even consider him.

He has a lot of the same style as Richard Seymour, he is not the slowfooted power end but rather a disruptive presence who is stout enough against the run to function but excels against the pass when his size and quickness can really overwhelm an offensive lineman.

NFLBRONCO
04-07-2010, 10:09 PM
I heard Casserly say in his opinion Pouncey is a 2nd round talent. He said, he'll go higher because of need. We want this guy at 11 why?

ELEVATION
04-08-2010, 12:58 AM
WR/KR/QB Armanti Edwards
h (http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/592-edwards-wk11)http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/...2-edwards- (http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/592-edwards-wk11)

OT Jared Veldheer
http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/...-veldheer-wk10 (http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/573-veldheer-wk10)

ELEVATION
04-08-2010, 12:59 AM
I heard Casserly say in his opinion Pouncey is a 2nd round talent. He said, he'll go higher because of need. We want this guy at 11 why?

fully agree i belive walton is better

big56fan#1
04-08-2010, 06:46 AM
NFL | Woods has visited two teams
Comment (0)
Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:05:20 -0700

Aaron Wilson, of the National Football Post, reports Louisiana State DT Al Woods has conducted private workouts for the New England Patriots and Denver Broncos, according to a source close to the program with knowledge of the situation.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0kW4GFDaG

baja
04-08-2010, 08:17 AM
NFL | Woods has visited two teams
Comment (0)
Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:05:20 -0700

Aaron Wilson, of the National Football Post, reports Louisiana State DT Al Woods has conducted private workouts for the New England Patriots and Denver Broncos, according to a source close to the program with knowledge of the situation.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0kW4GFDaG

has anyone else noticed the large % of prospects that both NE and Denver have had in for a visit. What's up with that???

Rohirrim
04-08-2010, 08:24 AM
has anyone else noticed the large % of prospects that both NE and Denver have had in for a visit. What's up with that???

It's called doing your homework. :thumbsup:

Drek
04-08-2010, 08:34 AM
WR/KR/QB Armanti Edwards
h (http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/592-edwards-wk11)http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/...2-edwards- (http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/592-edwards-wk11)

OT Jared Veldheer
http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/...-veldheer-wk10 (http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/573-veldheer-wk10)

I'd prefer us looking at Joe Webb over Armanti Edwards myself.

Tombstone RJ
04-08-2010, 08:52 AM
Yeah, but he scored a 13 on the Wonderlic. That's borderline retarded.

I think that's about twice as high as I scored on it. I scored a 9. :~ohyah!:

PRBronco
04-08-2010, 08:53 AM
I think that's about twice as high as I scored on it. I scored a 9. :~ohyah!:

Oy is there a sample one somewhere? I always to see what all the fuss was about.

baja
04-08-2010, 08:56 AM
http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

PRBronco
04-08-2010, 09:10 AM
http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

Nice! After that I'll check my 40 :D

big56fan#1
04-08-2010, 09:27 AM
12:08PM EST
Source: Williams working out for Broncos today
Tennessee defensive tackle led Vols with nine QB hurries...
from national football post

Requiem
04-08-2010, 09:28 AM
Dan WooliAMS!!!!

DawnBTVS
04-08-2010, 11:57 AM
has anyone else noticed the large % of prospects that both NE and Denver have had in for a visit. What's up with that???

Sometimes it's simply working out an injured player and seeing where they are in their recovery (and what their medical status in general is). IIRC, New England worked out a guy recently who's been mostly injured throughout the offseason and missed the Combine and other workouts.

Other times they might like a player on film/from interviews at the Combine and want to dig a little deeper into that player's personality and ability to study game film. Tyson Alualu said in regards to his visit with the Patriots that it was an intensive film study with him having to know the assignments of himself and every single other player on defense at different points of the play. In college, he'd maybe have to know his role and the role of the linebackers for example. So that'd be a measure of the "football IQ" of a player (very highly valued by both Denver and NE) and how they respond to an intensive, critical evaluation process under scrutiny and pressure (e.g. can they handle hard coaching/hard critique?)

Especially with defensive ends converting to linebackers, the coaching staff might want to work a guy out and see if he could make the transition to their 3-4 defensive scheme.

A big factor IMO also is that like with the Broncos, they're interviewing a ton of WR prospects who should be around in the 2nd or 3rd Round. So this gives them a chance to compare those guys against each other and maybe bumps a guy up in their eyes while another guy falls slightly. It helps a team figure out, "Okay. We've had 11 guys in and here are the top 3 guys we'd be comfortable taking in the 2nd or 3rd Round" so by the time the Draft comes, they also have some fallback options depending on trades.

cmhargrove
04-08-2010, 12:03 PM
Is this still the *OFFICIAL* thread for this topic? Just checking...

DBroncos4life
04-08-2010, 12:08 PM
has anyone else noticed the large % of prospects that both NE and Denver have had in for a visit. What's up with that???

Everyone knows they are just comparing notes to send to Shanahan.

tsiguy96
04-08-2010, 12:11 PM
Is this still the *OFFICIAL* thread for this topic? Just checking...

it was last updated like 12 hours before you posted this, so yes.

updated list:
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle
Jared Veldheer - Hillsdale

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State
Armanti Edwards (WR/KR) - Appalachian State
Eric Decker - Minnesota

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida
Dan Williams - Tennessee

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California
Al Woods - LSU

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama

SAFETY:

baja
04-08-2010, 12:17 PM
that's official right?

tsiguy96
04-08-2010, 12:28 PM
as official as i know. i can all but gaurantee there have been others but it hasnt been publicized.

big56fan#1
04-08-2010, 01:22 PM
you forgot to add dan willims dt tenn. on your list.

cmhargrove
04-08-2010, 01:25 PM
you forgot to add dan willims dt tenn. on your list.

He was ****OFFICIALLY**** added to the DE section, so he's now ***OFFICIALLY*** playing end. Just so you know.

tsiguy96
04-08-2010, 01:31 PM
He was ****OFFICIALLY**** added to the DE section, so he's now ***OFFICIALLY*** playing end. Just so you know.

ooops i thought i had him at NT

Requiem
04-08-2010, 01:54 PM
That's 29 prospects. I think we're allowed 30 visits/workouts. I'm not sure how many of those have been invites to the Dove Valley. . . but it'll be interesting to see how many more come up over the coming weeks.

broncos-rock
04-08-2010, 02:08 PM
Not a single safety...........hmmmmm......probably drafting a safety then.

tsiguy96
04-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Not a single safety...........hmmmmm......probably drafting a safety then.

dude, shanahan is a redskin now!

if this was shanahan, we would be all but assured to draft a safety, tackle, QB and of course RB.

CEH
04-09-2010, 06:24 AM
that's official right?

Anyone have a link to CJ Spiller visiting?
I have not found one nor heard anything about CJ Spiller visiting

meangene
04-09-2010, 07:01 AM
Anyone have a link to CJ Spiller visiting?
I have not found one nor heard anything about CJ Spiller visiting

I heard it discussed on NFLN by LaCanfora. He mentioned about a half dozen teams he had private visits lined up with including Denver.

baja
04-09-2010, 07:18 AM
Beginning to look doubtful that Spiller will be on the board at 11.

meangene
04-09-2010, 07:23 AM
Beginning to look doubtful that Spiller will be on the board at 11.

A lot of rumors about Seattle and Buffalo both. It is looking, however, that we may be in a position to trade down a little in the first if guys like McClain or Clausen fall out of the top ten. Funny how teams are more willing to trade up for a pick outside the top 10 because of financial factors.

baja
04-09-2010, 07:25 AM
A lot of rumors about Seattle and Buffalo both. It is looking, however, that we may be in a position to trade down a little in the first if guys like McClain or Clausen fall out of the top ten. Funny how teams are more willing to trade up for a pick outside the top 10 because of financial factors.


ya @ 11 we are in a sweet spot for a trade down.

I wonder how many spots we would need to trade down to secure a 2nd round pick.

meangene
04-09-2010, 07:34 AM
ya @ 11 we are in a sweet spot for a trade down.

I wonder how many spots we would need to trade down to secure a 2nd round pick.

I'm thinking we would be looking to stay in the teens hoping to get and extra 3rd. Still, if we net a second in a Marshall deal, we could be looking at a mid 1st, two seconds and two thirds in one of the best drafts in years.

CEH
04-09-2010, 07:37 AM
ya @ 11 we are in a sweet spot for a trade down.

I wonder how many spots we would need to trade down to secure a 2nd round pick.

Depending on the player the team wants, I guess 8-10 spots down to get a nice 2nd. Hard to tell what an accurate trade chart looks like now adays

in '07 NYJ traded up from #25 to #14 for Revis and gave up a 2nd.
We traded up from #15 to #11 in '06 for a third

baja
04-09-2010, 07:38 AM
I would hate to give up Marshall for a second but you are right that would be sweet in this years draft. If we hit on all the high picks we would have a young nucleus to build a dynasty on for several years.

Play2win
04-09-2010, 07:40 AM
Just dreaming here, but...

Trade our #11 to somebody and get back a later 1st rounder + a second rounder. Trade Marshall for the Buc's 2 second rounders.

That would give us the first rounder, plus FOUR second rounders.

We could really shore up our TRENCHES with those (four) second rounders. :strong:

meangene
04-09-2010, 07:49 AM
Just dreaming here, but...

Trade our #11 to somebody and get back a later 1st rounder + a second rounder. Trade Marshall for the Buc's 2 second rounders.

That would give us the first rounder, plus FOUR second rounders.

We could really shore up our TRENCHES with those (four) second rounders. :strong:

Man, that would be a draft party four day weekend!

SouthStndJunkie
04-09-2010, 07:55 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Decker-to-visit-Patriots-Broncos-and-Chiefs.html

Source: Decker to visit Patriots, Broncos and Chiefs

Play2win
04-09-2010, 07:59 AM
Man, that would be a draft party four day weekend!

I'd go out to a bar, just so I could buy everyone in the bar a round!!! ;D

Tombstone RJ
04-09-2010, 08:10 AM
it was last updated like 12 hours before you posted this, so yes.

updated list:
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle
Jared Veldheer - Hillsdale

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State
Armanti Edwards (WR/KR) - Appalachian State

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida
Dan Williams - Tennessee

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California
Al Woods - LSU

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama

SAFETY:

Based on who the Broncos have worked out, it's pretty obvious who they will be gunning for in the draft.

I'm thinking they will probably trade Marshall to Seattle in round one to acquire the #14 pick. I don't see them taking Dez Bryant but I do see them taking a WR somewhere in the draft. So, IMHO, they are shooting for defensive and offensive line help, WR help and LBer help, and then maybe secondary help if the right guy falls to them.

And that, is as close as I'll come to a "mock" draft...

gyldenlove
04-09-2010, 08:11 AM
Based on who the Broncos have worked out, it's pretty obvious who they will be gunning for in the draft.

I'm thinking they will probably trade Marshall to Seattle in round one to acquire the #14 pick. I don't see them taking Dez Bryant but I do see them taking a WR somewhere in the draft. So, IMHO, they are shooting for defensive and offensive line help, WR help and LBer help, and then maybe secondary help if the right guy falls to them.

And that, is as close as I'll come to a "mock" draft...

That trade still relies on Marshall signing his tender, so he still needs to work out a contract at least in principel with Seattle before all this can happen.

Tombstone RJ
04-09-2010, 08:25 AM
I'm thinking Dexter McCluster is going to be a real exciting player. I won't be suprised if the Broncos take him in the second round...

Tombstone RJ
04-09-2010, 08:32 AM
That trade still relies on Marshall signing his tender, so he still needs to work out a contract at least in principel with Seattle before all this can happen.

My understand is that if nothing happens by April 15, that is, there is no trade agreement, then a draft day trade can still happen. Marshall is under contract with the Broncos and I think that means they can trade him and the team who acquires Marshall also acquires his current contract. So, if Seattle got him in a draft day trade, then they don't have to have a contract worked out with Marshall because he's already under contract (he's still a RFA). They get him for one year and then he becomes an UFA. It's up to them to decide if they want to give him a big contract or not.

I'm I wrong on this?

gyldenlove
04-09-2010, 12:14 PM
My understand is that if nothing happens by April 15, that is, there is no trade agreement, then a draft day trade can still happen. Marshall is under contract with the Broncos and I think that means they can trade him and the team who acquires Marshall also acquires his current contract. So, if Seattle got him in a draft day trade, then they don't have to have a contract worked out with Marshall because he's already under contract (he's still a RFA). They get him for one year and then he becomes an UFA. It's up to them to decide if they want to give him a big contract or not.

I'm I wrong on this?

Marshall technically isn't under contract untill he signs the tender offer, that means if the April 15th deadline comes and goes in order for us to trade him we need him to sign the tender offer, the way to get him to do that is obviously to ensure that he has a rough agreement on a new contract with whatever team we are looking to trade him to. Assuming that he doesn't get the offer sheet, and the draft rolls around, I would be very surprised to see him get traded unless he signs the tender before the draft, if and when that news breaks he will be gone.

My guess is that Seattle has a pretty good idea of the kind of contract Marshall wants, so it could be a quick process. Denver says we want to trade you to Seattle, Seattle calls his manager and says if Marshall gets traded to us we will offer a contract with X guarantees, Y years and Z total value and it shouldn' take much fiddling to get the numbers to match, Marshall signs his tender, the day of the day before the draft, and then we can trade him to Seattle.

gyldenlove
04-09-2010, 12:15 PM
I hear on the grapevine that we have been in touch with Iupati and that the front office considers Dez Bryant to be a top 10 talent, the Iupati thing should be solid but I don't know how much to read into the Bryant rumor.

Rohirrim
04-09-2010, 12:22 PM
I hear on the grapevine that we have been in touch with Iupati and that the front office considers Dez Bryant to be a top 10 talent, the Iupati thing should be solid but I don't know how much to read into the Bryant rumor.

I will be raging pissed if the Broncos give a bunch of speeches about what high character guys they want on the team and then draft some ****head who couldn't even find his cleats for the biggest workout of his life.

I will pull a :garcia: I **** you not.

Requiem
04-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Regardless, I think Bryant would be a good selection, but would rather look for a receiver in rounds 2-3. Great value der.

DBroncos4life
04-09-2010, 12:27 PM
Pats have also brought in Dez Bryant for a look. I wonder if McD is comparing notes with BB at all. Shanahan used to do that with Fisher.

ColoradoBuff
04-09-2010, 12:37 PM
say no to Bryant!

DBroncos4life
04-09-2010, 12:54 PM
say no to Bryant!

Why because it's over blown that he "could" be a headcase? The fact is he is top ten talent and probably the best skill player on the offense in the draft. Not only that drafting him at 11 might actually help us move Marshall in the draft. Teams might not want to trade for Marshall with Bryant still on the board. Worst case we end up with a WR that can replace Marshall, either this year or next year. Best case we end up with the best group WR's in the NFL.

PRBronco
04-09-2010, 12:57 PM
Regarding Dezbryantshoegate, I think there might be more to it than just he's an idiot and brought a bunch of shoes but not the right ones. I was reading an account of his workout, and apparently he had a specific pair of Under Armor shoes for each event (which was why he had 6, which at first seemed retarded), and after slipping several times in one, he met with the on hand Under Armor rep, and then switched into some Nikes and completed the drill. Now if I may permit myself to jump to a conclusion here, I'd guess that he's used to using Nikes, was approached by an Under Armor guy about sponsorship, and wearing their gear for his pro day, but hadn't actually broken any in. And he can't come out and say "I sucked at my pro day because I was wearing the ****ty shoes I now get paid to endorse". I dunno, that's my theory, but that whole thing was kinda messed up.

That being said, I'm still not a fan of drafting him because I want nothing to do with the Eugene Parker/Neon Deion entourage.

Rohirrim
04-09-2010, 01:32 PM
Here's my Dez take: How much radioactivity is good for you? Care to indulge in a test? I never understand why people take chances like this with a first round pick. Especially a top third first rounder. It's already a gamble that any draftee will make it in the NFL. To take one with any questions about his health or his head in the first round is just a dumb bet. Second round? Maybe you drop the bar a bit. Third round? Sure. If the upside is there. First round? Stupid, stupid, stupid. There's going to be another player there who you need just as much with production, stats, a stellar history, mind set and upside. Why gamble? Let some other team gamble.

meangene
04-09-2010, 01:35 PM
I will be raging pissed if the Broncos give a bunch of speeches about what high character guys they want on the team and then draft some ****head who couldn't even find his cleats for the biggest workout of his life.

I will pull a :garcia: I **** you not.

I will be right there with you!

ColoradoBuff
04-09-2010, 01:54 PM
here's my dez take: How much radioactivity is good for you? Care to indulge in a test? I never understand why people take chances like this with a first round pick. Especially a top third first rounder. It's already a gamble that any draftee will make it in the nfl. To take one with any questions about his health or his head in the first round is just a dumb bet. Second round? Maybe you drop the bar a bit. Third round? Sure. If the upside is there. First round? Stupid, stupid, stupid. There's going to be another player there who you need just as much with production, stats, a stellar history, mind set and upside. Why gamble? Let some other team gamble.

+1

Carmelo15
04-09-2010, 02:12 PM
I really don't want Dez Bryant. I'd rather keep Marshall. But if we don't move down and he's the BPA on our board I can't be mad. While we certainly have greater needs, WR is a need. If we can keep Marshall as well, a Marshall-Bryant-Royal trio would be just ridiculous

tsiguy96
04-09-2010, 02:27 PM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle
Jared Veldheer - Hillsdale

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State
Armanti Edwards (WR/KR) - Appalachian State
Eric Decker - Minnesota

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati
Tim Tebow - Florida

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida
Dan Williams - Tennessee

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California
Al Woods - LSU

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri
Brandon Graham - Michigan

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama
AJ Jefferson - Fresno St
CJ Lovett - Fort Hays State

SAFETY:

thumpc
04-09-2010, 02:31 PM
I like those ends. Alualu and Woods are some of the strongest guys out there.

Rohirrim
04-09-2010, 02:34 PM
I like those ends. Alualu and Woods are some of the strongest guys out there.

What I love about Alualu is the drive and the passion. The guy explodes on every play and never stops. You love to have guys like that on your team.

tsiguy96
04-09-2010, 02:36 PM
lots and lots of WR

thumpc
04-09-2010, 02:41 PM
What I love about Alualu is the drive and the passion. The guy explodes on every play and never stops. You love to have guys like that on your team.

I want him. He'll be solid for years.

tsiguy96
04-09-2010, 03:57 PM
michigan DE brandon graham added to list as a LB, though he would be a 4-3 DE.

i assume he would kick inside on passing downs with ayers splitting out.

baja
04-09-2010, 04:03 PM
What I love about Alualu is the drive and the passion. The guy explodes on every play and never stops. You love to have guys like that on your team.

I like him because when Mock says buy a vowel we have plenty to chose from.

Elway777
04-09-2010, 04:29 PM
If the Broncos work out a trade with Marshall then I want Bryant. If they don't trade Marshall then I want McClain or Brandon Graham. Right now my Dream draft would be 1a Dez Bryant 1b Brandon Graham 2 Rodger Saffold.

NYBronco
04-09-2010, 04:41 PM
Trade Marshall, no to Bryant and pick up some offensive line help and the entire offensive unit will improve.

Elway777
04-09-2010, 05:05 PM
michigan DE brandon graham added to list as a LB, though he would be a 4-3 DE.

i assume he would kick inside on passing downs with ayers splitting out. Ayers starts at strong side linebacker then moves to defensive end on passing downs with Graham comming at linebacker. The broncos would have Dumervil ,Graham and Ayers all rushing the passer at the same time. When the Broncos want to shut down run then play Ayers and Graham at linebacker.

DawnBTVS
04-09-2010, 05:12 PM
I think somebody like Mardy Gilyard or Jordan Shipley could be interesting slot WR options for the 2nd/3rd Round if the Broncos acquire more draft picks.

Along with the O-Line help, I think having 2 inside slot receivers who can beat Safeties/Linebackers would be deadly. Gaffney proved that while he may not be a #1 in name, he can fill in that role if required to. Kenny McKinley and Brandon Lloyd both have a year under their belt and can backup Gaffney while Eddie Royal can play the slot with either Gilyard or Shipley backing him up.

New England was able to get by with guys like David Givens, Deion Branch, and Reche Caldwell as #1s and win 10+ games a season. It's less about the name in that #1 spot (and a smartly setup offense will have 3-4 good receivers able to step in or step up) and more about overall productivity.

tsiguy96
04-09-2010, 05:20 PM
Ayers starts at strong side linebacker then moves to defensive end on passing downs with Graham comming at linebacker. The broncos would have Dumervil ,Graham and Ayers all rushing the passer at the same time. When the Broncos want to shut down run then play Ayers and Graham at linebacker.

so you are recommending doom would not be an every down LB but graham and ayers would? wed basically shift to a 4-3 or 5-2 on passing down in this case. ps i dont think doom is an every down guy either, but not sure about ayers or graham. i wouldnt mind this pick though.

Cito Pelon
04-09-2010, 05:48 PM
michigan DE brandon graham added to list as a LB, though he would be a 4-3 DE.

i assume he would kick inside on passing downs with ayers splitting out.

Graham is interesting. I was saying a couple weeks ago he might be the BPA at #11. DE/OLB is maybe not the greatest position of need, but he might be the BPA and I'm thinking adding him would make the defense much better. And I don't have a problem with building a very strong defense.

I don't know, many of you folks know much, much more than me about college players.

gyldenlove
04-09-2010, 05:49 PM
I think somebody like Mardy Gilyard or Jordan Shipley could be interesting slot WR options for the 2nd/3rd Round if the Broncos acquire more draft picks.

Along with the O-Line help, I think having 2 inside slot receivers who can beat Safeties/Linebackers would be deadly. Gaffney proved that while he may not be a #1 in name, he can fill in that role if required to. Kenny McKinley and Brandon Lloyd both have a year under their belt and can backup Gaffney while Eddie Royal can play the slot with either Gilyard or Shipley backing him up.

New England was able to get by with guys like David Givens, Deion Branch, and Reche Caldwell as #1s and win 10+ games a season. It's less about the name in that #1 spot (and a smartly setup offense will have 3-4 good receivers able to step in or step up) and more about overall productivity.


We don't need more small WRs, we need big ones.

PRBronco
04-09-2010, 09:06 PM
Uggh, Graham is Elvis but lacking the one physical characteristic that makes Elvis a viable NFLer.

Elway777
04-09-2010, 11:54 PM
so you are recommending doom would not be an every down LB but graham and ayers would? wed basically shift to a 4-3 or 5-2 on passing down in this case. ps i dont think doom is an every down guy either, but not sure about ayers or graham. i wouldnt mind this pick though. No Doom would start but Graham would still see alot of action on 3 and short plus passing situation. Doom would play about 70 % of plays while Graham and Ayers would play about 65 % of plays. We have a nice 3 man rotation.

ozomulsion
04-10-2010, 10:47 AM
Here's my Dez take: How much radioactivity is good for you? Care to indulge in a test? I never understand why people take chances like this with a first round pick. Especially a top third first rounder. It's already a gamble that any draftee will make it in the NFL. To take one with any questions about his health or his head in the first round is just a dumb bet. Second round? Maybe you drop the bar a bit. Third round? Sure. If the upside is there. First round? Stupid, stupid, stupid. There's going to be another player there who you need just as much with production, stats, a stellar history, mind set and upside. Why gamble? Let some other team gamble.

He had dinner with Deion Sanders!!! Big time character flaw right there eh?

Stop being ridiculous. Saying the NCAA overreacted by suspending him,
would be the understatement of the year.

He's a good kid, a great team player, and has amazing skills. Chill out

We'd be very very lucky to get him.

tsiguy96
04-10-2010, 10:49 AM
No Doom would start but Graham would still see alot of action on 3 and short plus passing situation. Doom would play about 70 % of plays while Graham and Ayers would play about 65 % of plays. We have a nice 3 man rotation.

limiting dooms snaps a bit more might make him more effective, starting a bigger guy like graham may help better in run support. how is grahams run support anyway? he was the star of the senior bowl...ayers should be a full time starter this year

edit: reading scouting reports on graham, if this is true, graham and ayers would be full time LBers with one of them kicking inside to the line on passing downs i think. graham is taller and bigger and gets good grades against run support. would be tough to get all these guys on the field enough to almost justify this pick though, ya know? i wouldnt be mad at it at all, but from what im reading hes more of a robert mathis type end.

tsiguy96
04-10-2010, 04:04 PM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle
Jared Veldheer - Hillsdale

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State
Armanti Edwards (WR/KR) - Appalachian State
Eric Decker - Minnesota

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida
Dan Williams - Tennessee

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California
Al Woods - LSU

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri
Brandon Graham - Michigan

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama
AJ Jefferson - Fresno St
CJ Lovett - Fort Hays State

SAFETY:

added two more from other post.

thumpc
04-10-2010, 04:22 PM
3. A.J. Jefferson, Fresno State 6'0" 193
Projected Round: Fifth/Sixth
Chance of landing with Broncos: Jefferson is a guy who has great size and speed, but who is very raw. If he is available in the sixth round, he could be a nice value due to his stock skyrocketing. I have previously suggested Jefferson as an undrafted option, but great measurables have set him up nicely to be selected some time on draft weekend.

4. C.J. Lovett, Fort Hays State, 5'11" 195
Projected Round: Undrafted
Chance of landing with Broncos: The Broncos brought this kid in for a private visit, and admittedly there is not much info on him out there. He doesn't have great speed, though he does have good size for the cornerback position. He will likely go undrafted unless we pull the trigger in the seventh round, and you could/should/probably will see him signed as an undrafted free agent.
Milehi report

gyldenlove
04-10-2010, 04:41 PM
He had dinner with Deion Sanders!!! Big time character flaw right there eh?

Stop being ridiculous. Saying the NCAA overreacted by suspending him,
would be the understatement of the year.

He's a good kid, a great team player, and has amazing skills. Chill out

We'd be very very lucky to get him.

They suspended him because he lied about visiting Deion Sanders.
Here is the deal, either he thought that he wasn't supposed to be visit Deion Sanders but did so anyway showing bad judgement and an inability to function within rules, or he thought he could flat out lie to the organization that was helping him make it to the NFL, showing bad judgement and an inability to function within an organization. So the question is, do you want someone who will willfully break very clear rules or someone who will flat out lie when caught?

I don't want either one, that is for sure.

baja
04-10-2010, 04:53 PM
They suspended him because he lied about visiting Deion Sanders.
Here is the deal, either he thought that he wasn't supposed to be visit Deion Sanders but did so anyway showing bad judgement and an inability to function within rules, or he thought he could flat out lie to the organization that was helping him make it to the NFL, showing bad judgement and an inability to function within an organization. So the question is, do you want someone who will willfully break very clear rules or someone who will flat out lie when caught?

I don't want either one, that is for sure.

I hear ya but I think you got your bar set a little too high after all these are 20 year olds here.

DivineLegion
04-10-2010, 06:00 PM
He had dinner with Deion Sanders!!! Big time character flaw right there eh?

Stop being ridiculous. Saying the NCAA overreacted by suspending him,
would be the understatement of the year.

He's a good kid, a great team player, and has amazing skills. Chill out

We'd be very very lucky to get him.

Oz where have you been?

I don't blame you if your keeping your head low through all of turmoil thats wrecking the board.

tsiguy96
04-12-2010, 05:17 AM
added tim tebow, per mmqb

tsiguy96
04-17-2010, 08:56 AM
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Guard
Vladimir Ducasse (OT/G) - UMass
Center
Matt Tennant - Boston College
JD Walton - Baylor
Joe Hawley (C/G) - UNLV
Maurkice Pouncey - Florida
Tackle
Jared Veldheer - Hillsdale
Zane Beadles - Utah

WR:
Marty Gilyard - Cincinnati
Dexter McCluster - Mississippi
Arrelious Benn - Illinois
Jordan Shipley - Texas
Jacoby Ford - Clemson
Damian Williams - USC
Dez Bryant - Oklahoma State
Armanti Edwards (WR/KR) - Appalachian State
Eric Decker - Minnesota

RB:
Toby Gerhart - Stanford
Montario Hardesty - Tennessee
CJ Spiller - Clemson

QB:
Tony Pike - Cincinnati
Tim Tebow - Florida

DEFENSIVE LINE:
Nose
Terrance Cody - Alabama
Torell Troup - Central Florida
Dan Williams - Tennessee

End
Jared Odrick - Penn State U
CJ Wilson - East Carolina
Tyson Alualu - California
Al Woods - LSU

LB:
Koa Misi (DE/OLB) - Utah
Sean Weatherspoon - Missouri
Brandon Graham - Michigan
Rolando McClain - Alabama

CORNER:
Alterraun Verner - UCLA
Kareem Jackson - Alabama
AJ Jefferson - Fresno St
CJ Lovett - Fort Hays State
Dominique Franks - Oklahoma

SAFETY:

updated, dont see any more coming in this week either.

gyldenlove
04-17-2010, 09:03 AM
I hear ya but I think you got your bar set a little too high after all these are 20 year olds here.

I expect a 5 year old to understand the message: don't lie about where you go or you will be put on the naughty step.

Clearly Bryant either thought he was breaking a rule which is something I don't want or he is just a twofaced liar which is also something I don't want.

s0phr0syne
04-17-2010, 09:09 AM
Yo tsiguy, good job keeping the list updated throughout. I think you should either edit the original OP with the current list or post a link in it to the most updated list so that it doesn't get lost in any subsequent discussion. Just an idea.

Also, Tebow disappeared from your most recent post.

tsiguy96
04-17-2010, 09:17 AM
Yo tsiguy, good job keeping the list updated throughout. I think you should either edit the original OP with the current list or post a link in it to the most updated list so that it doesn't get lost in any subsequent discussion. Just an idea.

Also, Tebow disappeared from your most recent post.

cant, 7 days have passed or i would edit the original.