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tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:06 PM
Broncos acquired QB Brady Quinn from the Browns in exchange for FB Peyton Hillis and two conditional draft picks.

Conklin
03-14-2010, 02:06 PM
link?

OBF1
03-14-2010, 02:06 PM
your an idiot

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:07 PM
rotoworld
Peyton Hillis-RB- Browns Mar. 14 - 5:03 pm et


Browns acquired FB Peyton Hillis and two conditional draft picks from the Broncos in exchange for QB Brady Quinn.
Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter
Related: Broncos



Brady Quinn-QB- Broncos Mar. 14 - 5:01 pm et


Broncos acquired QB Brady Quinn from the Browns in exchange for FB Peyton Hillis and two conditional draft picks.
Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter
Related: Browns

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:07 PM
I'm reporting brady quinn was just traded to denver for peyton hillis and 2 conditional draft picks

http://twitter.com/Jay_Glazer/status/10484726078

Conklin
03-14-2010, 02:08 PM
curious what two draft picks

oubronco
03-14-2010, 02:08 PM
I Hate McDaniels

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 02:08 PM
OMFG

Gotta do both threads to be safe

ward63
03-14-2010, 02:09 PM
<table border="0" width="630"><tbody><tr><td width="80%">Browns | Quinn traded to Denver
</td><td width="20%">Comment (0) (http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=632578) http://www.kffl.com/images/icons/twitter.jpg (http://twitter.com/?status=Per%20KFFL.com:%20Browns%20%7C%20Quinn%20t raded%20to%20Denver%20-%20http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=632578) http://www.kffl.com/images/icons/facebook.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=632578)</td></tr></tbody></table>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:09:31 -0700 Jay Glazer (http://www.kffl.com/link/14), of FOXSports.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/189), reports the Cleveland Browns (http://www.kffl.com/team/13/nfl) have traded QB Brady Quinn (http://www.kffl.com/player/13456/nfl) to the Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) for FB Peyton Hillis (http://www.kffl.com/player/18433/nfl) and two conditional draft choices.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0iBgin39C

OBF1
03-14-2010, 02:09 PM
(KFFL) Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the Cleveland Browns have traded QB Brady Quinn to the Denver Broncos for FB Peyton Hillis and two conditional draft choices.

broncos-rock
03-14-2010, 02:09 PM
This is freaking awesome!!!!!!:strong:

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:10 PM
i dont like this. at all.

OBF1
03-14-2010, 02:10 PM
This thread is going to be great :)

Tombstone RJ
03-14-2010, 02:11 PM
Oh no, board heading toward full meltdown...

TonyR
03-14-2010, 02:11 PM
I would have preferred waiting. He probably would have been released. Perhaps they knew other teams were interested? Otherwise doesn't make sense.

Baba Booey
03-14-2010, 02:11 PM
I don't mind this. I think he could be better than Orton with the tools we have here.

OBF1
03-14-2010, 02:12 PM
McDaniels wanted Quinn last year, not a suprise I guess. Just wonder what the "conditional" picks are.

BabyTO
03-14-2010, 02:13 PM
**** you josh. hillis is the ****

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 02:14 PM
Wonder what the two picks are, especially since they signed Wallace and Delhomme, better not be a lot.

Don't believe it's 2 conditionals at this point, it's going to be an '10 pick and a '11 conditional when this gets sorted out.

bowtown
03-14-2010, 02:14 PM
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SouthStndJunkie
03-14-2010, 02:14 PM
I am intrigued by Brady Quinn....but I want to know what the conditional draft picks are.

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:14 PM
i dont 100% mind it depending on if quinn can be saved and be good, but it puts us in a jam with orton and hell even brandstater if he ever had a chance here.

it REALLY depends what picks we gave up

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:16 PM
I am intrigued by Brady Quinn....but I want to know what the conditional draft picks are.

basically this, i dont like him because hes never shown he can be a real qb except during the shootout in cleveland in 08 against our AWESOME defense.... but he has a chance to turn it around and depending on the picks, this could be really bad

ward63
03-14-2010, 02:16 PM
I want to know the picks also and...BYE BYE CHRIS SIMMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GoBroncos84
03-14-2010, 02:16 PM
My only concern is the conditional picks. I love Hillis, but sadly he was not going to be utilized in this offense. I am not a Brady Quinn fan, I have always felt he was overhyped. But if those picks aren't anything special, its worth taking a shot on him for a player who wasn't being used at all. However, if those turn out to be significant draft picks I definitely have an issue with the trade. Unless Quinn pans out

ICON
03-14-2010, 02:16 PM
He's probably better than Chris Simms but 2 picks and hillis is a high price for a backup QB

400HZ
03-14-2010, 02:17 PM
Uhoh!! Him and Orton should get along spleeeeeeendily.

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yipesbrady.jpg

http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kyle_orton_chicago_bears_3_drunk_pictures1.jpg

bpc
03-14-2010, 02:17 PM
I liked Hillis, it was obvious Josh did not so this was a smart move. Quinn has talent. He needs better coaching. Hopefully he can get that with McDaniels. (holding breath)

Ultimately it depends what the two conditional picks are. We've already wasted our 5th rounder this year on LeKevan Smith. That leaves 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th and our 7th. I have to imagine it's probably our 4th/6th rounder.

We didn't need those picks ANYWAYS!

Ah well. Keep our fingers crossed that Quinn is a stud or can become one. I do like that he's already taken some lumps in the league and we can sort of skip the sit and wait approach with a rookie.

bpc
03-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Uhoh!! Him and Orton should get along spleeeeeeendily.

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yipesbrady.jpg

http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/kyle_orton_chicago_bears_3_drunk_pictures1.jpg

ha ha ha ha!

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:18 PM
praise allah for no chris simms here anymore!

bowtown
03-14-2010, 02:18 PM
I liked Hillis, it was obvious Josh did not so this was a smart move. Quinn has talent. He needs better coaching. Hopefully he can get that with McDaniels. (holding breath)

Ultimately it depends what the two conditional picks are. We've already wasted our 5th rounder this year on LeKevan Smith. That leaves 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th and our 7th. I have to imagine it's probably our 4th/6th rounder.

We didn't need those picks ANYWAYS!

Ah well. Keep our fingers crossed that Quinn is a stud or can become one. I do like that he's already taken some lumps in the league and we can sort of skip the sit and wait approach with a rookie.


If they are conditional picks, they won't be for this year's draft.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Seriously? Tell me this is a joke, please?

Jesterhole
03-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Wow, what a crappy trade. Still, we needed a better backup than Simms. I don't like giving up Hillis though. Dumb.

What was McDaniels problem with him? That he shut his mouth and produced when called upon?

OBF1
03-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Quinn will break off 2k in this system....

Can Denver send Chris Simms packing soon enough?

Dr. Broncenstein
03-14-2010, 02:19 PM
This move is retarded.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 02:20 PM
We've already wasted our 5th rounder this year on LeKevan Smith.

And Hochstein

SouthStndJunkie
03-14-2010, 02:20 PM
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PLUS

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Send those 2 out on the town with a bottle of Jack Daniels and the pictures would be epic.

TDmvp
03-14-2010, 02:21 PM
Can't wait for Josh to be gone ... yea I said it...

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:21 PM
keep in mind, it could be a 4th round pick plus the 6th rounder if he starts this year, something like that. it doesnt mean we automatically gave up 2 picks.

TDmvp
03-14-2010, 02:22 PM
Quinn will fit right in here tho ... He sucks and so does the system..

Baba Booey
03-14-2010, 02:22 PM
I think Quinn could actually be pretty good with an actual NFL team in front of him.

SouthStndJunkie
03-14-2010, 02:23 PM
All joking aside, I am intrigued by the trade.

I think Brady Quinn is better than people are giving him credit for.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 02:23 PM
Anyone want to link Schefter's twitter?

According to Adam per ChiefsPlanet:

Broncos traded FB Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a late-round 2012 pick to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn. less than a minute ago via UberTwitter


I can live with that if this is true.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-14-2010, 02:23 PM
Conditionals have to be for future picks, right? 2011, likely. They'll have to see how he performs in 2010 to have something to base anything on. I'd bet, at most, it's a 3 and a 5 in 2011.

boltaneer
03-14-2010, 02:24 PM
I don't care if the Broncos gave up a 6th and a 7th. I'm loving this already!

LonghornBronco
03-14-2010, 02:24 PM
Oh crap I need a new adopt a bronco!

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-14-2010, 02:24 PM
Anyone want to link Schefter's twitter?

According to Adam per ChiefsPlanet:

Broncos traded FB Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a late-round 2012 pick to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn. less than a minute ago via UberTwitter


I can live with that if this is true.

That's pretty cheap. Was there not much of a market for the guy?

Best of luck to Hillis.

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:24 PM
ok, i officially like this trade. 2 late round picks for what could be a very good starting QB, at worst a very good backup.

HEAV
03-14-2010, 02:25 PM
http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/That-Is-Excellent-MrBurns.jpg

WABronco
03-14-2010, 02:25 PM
Wait, Hillis is still a topic around here? ROFL

I only care what the picks involved are. If they aren't too high then ya whatever I'll trade Hillis for a young QB.

Broncoman13
03-14-2010, 02:25 PM
Hearing that it could be a 2012 first.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-14-2010, 02:25 PM
Shaun Hill went to the Lions for the 7th. Not bad for Quinn.

BigPlayShay
03-14-2010, 02:25 PM
Anyone want to link Schefter's twitter?

According to Adam per ChiefsPlanet:

Broncos traded FB Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a late-round 2012 pick to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn. less than a minute ago via UberTwitter


I can live with that if this is true.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10485517812

Adam_Schefter

Broncos traded FB Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a late-round 2012 pick to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn.

broncofan7
03-14-2010, 02:26 PM
Considering where Peyton was drafted--I LIKE IT! Do I have that much faith in Quinn? Not really--but do I think that this is a good 'value' trade--absolutely. Good move McD.

theAPAOps5
03-14-2010, 02:26 PM
I got the text started the microwave popcorn and am going to sit back and enjoy the meltdown!

DivineBronco
03-14-2010, 02:26 PM
This move is retarded.

seems like Hillis is retarded about the playbook was never going to work here anyway

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-14-2010, 02:26 PM
Hearing that it could be a 2012 first.

Yeah, if he leads the league in TDs and they win the Super Bowl, most likely.

WABronco
03-14-2010, 02:26 PM
Quinn will fit right in here tho ... He sucks and so does the system..

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/29358/original/umad.jpg

Baba Booey
03-14-2010, 02:26 PM
It's clear Hillis wasn't going to be used here and odds are those picks aren't amounting to jack squat.

I'm willing to give McDaniels a shot at molding Quinn into something legit.

TheDave
03-14-2010, 02:27 PM
Good trade... minimum compensation for some upside at an important position. Like it or not folks Peyton Hillis was never going to play here.

Unless you were a major Orton fan, I'm not sure how you could be upset by this.

Pseudofool
03-14-2010, 02:27 PM
I guess McD thinks legitimate QB battles will bring the best out of a player. Sounds like Quinn will come much cheaper than any of the descent QBs in this draft so he's certainly worth a flyer as we're giving up a player we don't use and some very low round picks.

Bronco Boy
03-14-2010, 02:28 PM
http://indiana.bilerico.com/2008/05/brady_quinn_shirtless_cellphone.jpg

Yowza.

TDmvp
03-14-2010, 02:28 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/14/browns-trade-quinn-to-broncos-for-hillis-two-picks/


F Josh ... Quinn might be my least fav player in the league ...

Funny now we have 2 Quinns that blow goats...

Rabb
03-14-2010, 02:28 PM
All joking aside, I am intrigued by the trade.

I think Brady Quinn is better than people are giving him credit for.

that's how I feel

I think Quinn will do fine here, better than Orton

Broncoman13
03-14-2010, 02:28 PM
Anyone want to link Schefter's twitter?

According to Adam per ChiefsPlanet:

Broncos traded FB Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a late-round 2012 pick to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn. less than a minute ago via UberTwitter


I can live with that if this is true.

That's a great deal if true... I heard the 2012 pick could be much higher, but AS usually has the goods.

Quinn IS much better than people give him credit for on the OM. Like this trade.

TonyR
03-14-2010, 02:31 PM
Good trade if Schefter is right about the picks, which he usually is. Quinn has more talent and upside than Orton. Now let's see if McD can make him a better QB.

Tombstone RJ
03-14-2010, 02:32 PM
Compensation wise, the Broncos did about as well as could be expected. Hillis is the wild card. If he goes to Cleveland and rush's for 1300 yards and 10 tds then the Broncos are gonna look stupid. If he goes to Cleveland and becomes another FB and situational RB then the Broncos made a reasonable trade.

I don't like Quinn, I think he's more show than substance and that's not saying much considering what he's done so far. We'll see how Orton responds. He'll either get better or he'll tank.

Bronco Boy
03-14-2010, 02:33 PM
Hillis will get cut in training camp.

TonyR
03-14-2010, 02:33 PM
Broncos acquire Brady Quinn
By Mike Klis
An NFL source has confirmed the Broncos have acquired quarterback Brady Quinn from the Cleveland Browns in exchange for running back Peyton Hillis, a sixth round pick in 2011 and a conditional pick in 2012 that is tied to Quinn’s playing time.

Kyle Orton remains the Broncos’ starting quarterback. The trade is contingent on physicals for both Quinn and Hillis. Quinn did have a season-ending foot injury last season.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/03/14/broncos-acquire-brady-quinn/

SouthStndJunkie
03-14-2010, 02:34 PM
I hope Peyton Hillis kicks some ass in Cleveland and is given a chance to show his skill set.

HILife
03-14-2010, 02:34 PM
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well let's see what Brady "No Arm" Quinn can do. McD you really need to step away from this Brady thing you go going on.

Pontius Pirate
03-14-2010, 02:34 PM
1) Promising QB is traded/acquired by the Bronco's

2) Board divided. Eventually, board thinks said QB is the second coming, even before a pre-season game is played. OM'ers heap unwarranted praise on said QB. Dorky avatars start to emerge, illustrating QB in some homer-ific hero pose.

3) Pre-season game is played and QB throws an interception. Beginning of the end for said QB.

4) QB shakes off bad pre-season, opens season okay, but doesn't win Superbowl that year. Is proclaimed a bust.

5) Bronco's go after a new QB after the season ends in disappointment.

6) Repeat

521 1N5
03-14-2010, 02:35 PM
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In Cleveland.

ScottXray
03-14-2010, 02:35 PM
Like the trade also.

1. Simms is now gonna be gone.
2. Quinn has some experience at starting. true it was with the Browns...
3. 2011 6th and maybe 2012 late round is cheap.
4. Hillis was not gonna play here ... despite what some wanted. He gets a shot in clevetown. Up to him to do something now.
5. Quinn was a first round selection... there has to be something more to him than just hometown hero. Hopefully he gets a fresh start and can show what it was.
6. It wasn't Sheffler that was traded.

Pontius Pirate
03-14-2010, 02:35 PM
http://206forthetwenties.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/586-gay1.jpg

s0phr0syne
03-14-2010, 02:36 PM
I hope Peyton Hillis kicks some ass in Cleveland and is given a chance to show his skill set.


Agreed. I'm very shocked by the move, but I'm really happy for the opportunity it gives to Hillis and for the opportunity it gives to the Broncos.

Pontius Pirate
03-14-2010, 02:36 PM
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/yipesbrady.jpg

tsiguy96
03-14-2010, 02:36 PM
I hope Peyton Hillis kicks some ass in Cleveland and is given a chance to show his skill set.

me too, surprisingly. i like hillis a lot, and hope he becomes a dominant runner. he was not going to here, and thats alright it wasnt going to work out, but hopefully he shows the goods in cleveland.

HEAV
03-14-2010, 02:37 PM
Not sure how any Broncos fan (Beside Hillis Fan Club Members) wouldn't like this deal. Giving up second day picks in 11 & 12 and Hillis for a former 1st round QB with age on his side and going to a coach that can mold him to replace Orton.

Hillis get's his shot to play in Cleveland. I wish him the best, I hope makes it.

As for Denver we get a better option at backup and will still have all or 2010 picks. Who know what 2011 will hold? (Lockout) and 2012 (Lockout results)

I'm happy with deal.

RhymesayersDU
03-14-2010, 02:38 PM
Much like I said in the other Quinn thread, I'm very intrigued by this.

I'm of the opinion that if we're going to have a bad QB, I'd rather the QB be young and (hopefully) still teachable/coachable rather than a guy like Orton who we 100% know what we have with.

I really like Hillis of course, BUT if we were never going to play him, we might as well get something for him.

Tombstone RJ
03-14-2010, 02:38 PM
Quinn knows the spread offense the Broncos run... training camp is gonna be interesting... we haven't even got to the 2010 draft...

ludo21
03-14-2010, 02:39 PM
amazing trade!! Buh bye Orton, thank you lord!!

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 02:40 PM
The Browns traded Wimbley to the Raiders also

SouthStndJunkie
03-14-2010, 02:41 PM
Not sure how any Broncos fan (Beside Hillis Fan Club Members) wouldn't like this deal. Giving up second day picks in 11 & 12 and Hillis for a former 1st round QB with age on his side and going to a coach that can mold him to replace Orton.

Hillis get's his shot to play in Cleveland. I wish him the best, I hope makes it.

As for Denver we get a better option at backup and will still have all or 2010 picks. Who know what 2011 will hold? (Lockout) and 2012 (Lockout results)

I'm happy with deal.

I agree 100%.

Brady Quinn only started 12 games for the Browns....I think he fits in well with what we do on offense.

Low risk/high reward potential.

bfoflcommish
03-14-2010, 02:41 PM
it will be fun to read the mcd bashers say oh no we let go of hillis waaaaaaaaaaw, but when hillis is cut or riding pine im sure they wont be saying anything then.


this is a great trade and an upgrade to what mcd bashers say was reason we lost season. quinn has a decent skill set but was lost on a bad team with bad coaching.

ward63
03-14-2010, 02:42 PM
Browns cleaning house to the AFCW....Wimbley is a Raider

elsid13
03-14-2010, 02:42 PM
We now have the three gayest QBs in the league. McDaniels must want to make a sequel to movie Milk

MaloCS
03-14-2010, 02:43 PM
This coach can eat a big bowl of famunda cheese. I vote to send his dumb ass back to the east coast along with all the freaking transplants in my beloved state.

HEAV
03-14-2010, 02:46 PM
I agree 100%.

Brady Quinn only started 12 games for the Browns....I think he fits in well with what we do on offense.

Low risk/high reward potential.

Plus look at it like this.

Orton is a Resticted Free Agent and has yet to sign his deal. He'll more than likely skip offseason workouts.

This gives McD more time to work with Quinn and get the kid ready for the future.

Also it's a move that could force Orton to sign that deal sooner, rather than later and that will be good for both players!

Great deal.

Bronco Boy
03-14-2010, 02:46 PM
Man there's a lot of gay bashing in this thread.

Tombstone RJ
03-14-2010, 02:46 PM
We now have the three gayest QBs in the league. McDaniels must want to make a sequel to movie Milk

Brandstatter scores heavy with the babes... Simms is as good as gone, the Broncos need to release him and suffer the cap hit. I wonder if the Broncos will still draft a QB in the mid to late rounds...

bfoflcommish
03-14-2010, 02:46 PM
This coach can eat a big bowl of famunda cheese. I vote to send his dumb ass back to the east coast along with all the freaking transplants in my beloved state.

care to expand? is it because we traded a player who was never going to see much time for a possible starting qb? or was the the super low conditional picks that turn you off?

OrangenBlueOhio
03-14-2010, 02:47 PM
I guess McD thinks legitimate QB battles will bring the best out of a player. Sounds like Quinn will come much cheaper than any of the descent QBs in this draft so he's certainly worth a flyer as we're giving up a player we don't use and some very low round picks.

What is "in a nutshell".

I wanted to give the Quinn/mcdaniels thing a go last year. Looking at how Orton played this year, couldn't be happier with this trade. There's always the chance he'll come in and bomb, but given our situation, well worth the risk.

Haven't felt this good about my Broncos since the 6-0 start last year.

Xenos
03-14-2010, 02:48 PM
Quinn's an interesting prospect to say the least. From what I've read and watched, he does all the right things presnap (which is half of the battle) and shows his potential in that area. It's what happens after the ball is hike is where he suddenly becomes captain checkdown. It's quite odd really. The only time I've seen him consistently push it down the field was in the Lion's game.

Headless Hessian Rider
03-14-2010, 02:48 PM
What is Quinn's salary? How much does he earn in the next years? How long is his Contract?

Williams
03-14-2010, 02:48 PM
I guess McD thinks legitimate QB battles will bring the best out of a player. Sounds like Quinn will come much cheaper than any of the descent QBs in this draft so he's certainly worth a flyer as we're giving up a player we don't use and some very low round picks.

This... And Simms is done. I like the move.

elsid13
03-14-2010, 02:49 PM
Guess Orton isn't the future like some on this board claimed.

Pontius Pirate
03-14-2010, 02:50 PM
Man there's a lot of gay bashing in this thread.

Gay bashing is gay

Bigdawg26
03-14-2010, 02:50 PM
Well I mean it's not that bad of a deal. We weren't using Hillis anyway at least he can actually be used in cleveland, and just think if we made the trade last year it would have been for a 1st round not a sixth. At least he's more talented than any of those guys in the draft this year. And he has a better arm Orton, he just doesn't have any heart! I like the trade.

cabronco
03-14-2010, 02:50 PM
I knew this was going to happen, just a matter of time. I've always been a Hillis fan and now he will get opportunities going to the Browns. I figured he would just get released or cut by MvDaniels . I really felt we needed to upgrade the #2 Qb, as Simms sucks and we need a decent back up. Quinn looked like crap too last year, but he's young w/ the tools I think. If McD is the QB maker he thinks he is then he will be able to coach up Quinn to be a decent Qb. I didnt like the conditional draft picks, but they dont look to be that bad. Im actually relieved to get rid of Simms , and happy that Hillis will be given his shot outside our division, G/L to him.

HEAV
03-14-2010, 02:50 PM
Browns cleaning house to the AFCW....Wimbley is a Raider

Wimbley would have be nice.

Holmgren sure is cleaning out the younger players now. It's like he's trying to win now (2011) with vets and draft his young players and not deal with the past young players.

Houshyamama
03-14-2010, 02:50 PM
http://206forthetwenties.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/586-gay1.jpg

I don't understand the crotch grabbing thing. I mean... wtf?

SpringStein
03-14-2010, 02:51 PM
What is Quinn's salary? How much does he earn in the next years? How long is his Contract?

From PFT earlier today:

Per NFLPA records, he's signed for two more years, at salaries of $700,000 and $700,000. And while he can trigger a $5.9 million escalator for 2011, he needs to take at least 70 percent of the snaps in 2010 to make it happen.

Given his failure to hit any of the past play-time triggers, it's not a bad deal at all. If Quinn plays enough this year to activate the escalator, it will mean that he's finally playing better than he has in any of his first three seasons.

Thus, if teams are shying away from Quinn, it's likely for reasons other than his contract.

Tombstone RJ
03-14-2010, 02:51 PM
Guess Orton isn't the future like some on this board claimed.

I doubt Quinn takes the job from Orton. If he does, so be it. However, I think Orton is around for at least another year and Quinn is #2.

OBF1
03-14-2010, 02:52 PM
We no longer have to waste a pick in this years draft on a QB we all knew we were going to add. Just keeps getting better.

Headless Hessian Rider
03-14-2010, 02:53 PM
From PFT earlier today:

Per NFLPA records, he's signed for two more years, at salaries of $700,000 and $700,000. And while he can trigger a $5.9 million escalator for 2011, he needs to take at least 70 percent of the snaps in 2010 to make it happen.

Given his failure to hit any of the past play-time triggers, it's not a bad deal at all. If Quinn plays enough this year to activate the escalator, it will mean that he's finally playing better than he has in any of his first three seasons.

Thus, if teams are shying away from Quinn, it's likely for reasons other than his contract.

That's sound very fair to me. If he perfoms he get paid. I like that move. Low Risk.

gyldenlove
03-14-2010, 02:53 PM
I just vomitted in my ****ing mouth. So we are replacing one worthless career backup with another?

Houshyamama
03-14-2010, 02:54 PM
Expect the unexpected.

Here's what will happen:

Brandstater goes off in training camp and moves to #2. Orton goes down in the first game, Brandstater comes in and throws for 813 yds and 13 TDs and starts his career as the best professional athlete to ever compete in any sport.

SpringStein
03-14-2010, 02:54 PM
That's sound very fair to me. If he perfoms he get paid. I like that move. Low Risk.

A big savings over Simms. ;)

SouthStndJunkie
03-14-2010, 02:54 PM
Brady Quinn did not have any continuity in Cleveland at all.

He is only 25 years old. He looked tentative to me in the games that I saw him play, but the fix for that is more game experience.

In his time starting he threw more TDs than INTs (10-9), so it's not like he was a complete disaster.

Last year they trade Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards and expected him to try and win with very few offensive weapons.

I think you all will be surprised to see what he is going to do in Denver.

I like Peyton Hillis, but giving him up (when it was obvious Josh was not going to utilize him) and 2 late round draft picks for Brady Quinn is a low risk trade that could pay off big time.

NFLBRONCO
03-14-2010, 02:54 PM
The deal itself value wise is good just don't see Quinn a major upgrade over Orton. I can't stand Quinn every time he talks I want to punch him that's why this trade is not exciting for me.

HEAV
03-14-2010, 02:55 PM
What is Quinn's salary? How much does he earn in the next years? How long is his Contract?

He's lockout up through 2011.

8/7/2007: Signed a five-year, $9.25 million contract. The deal contains $7.75 million guaranteed, including a $4.255 million option bonus in the second year. Another $11 million is available though escalators in 2010 and 2011 based on Quinn taking at least 55% of the snaps in each of the first two years or at least 70% in his third season. Another $9.8 million is available, but is unlikely to be earned. 2009: $655,000, 2010-2011: $700,000, 2011: Free Agent

gyldenlove
03-14-2010, 02:55 PM
We now have the three gayest QBs in the league. McDaniels must want to make a sequel to movie Milk

End of ****ing thread, this has to be post of the year.

slatimer
03-14-2010, 02:55 PM
hmmm...my take is a good deal for the Broncos....Quinn has some skills and let's face it he played in Cleveland. Let's see what he can do with our line, receivers, and an offensive coach.

elsid13
03-14-2010, 02:56 PM
I just vomitted in my ****ing mouth. So we are replacing one worthless career backup with another?

I wouldn't even call Quinn a career backup at this point. This whole NE and Ohio incest thing is ****ing nuts.

BlaK-Argentina
03-14-2010, 02:56 PM
This is an awesome trade any way you look at it.

I love Hillis. He will get his chance now and I hope he kicks ass.

McD gets a young QB with potential to groom so he can eventually replace Orton. Orton will keep us going for a year or two.

If Quinn sucks, he can at least backup Orton until we find another young guy.

Simms is GOOOOONE.

anton
03-14-2010, 02:57 PM
GREAT trade for Denver.

Quinn has only played in 14 games! And 12 of those with 2 rookie WRs and no running game (except for the end of the year). How can you expect anyone to succeed with ZERO talent around them?

Drunk Monkey
03-14-2010, 02:58 PM
I love this move. Simms gone, a decent #2 in Quinn. Who knows he could turn into something. This could buy us a little more time at the QB position also. We have plenty of other positions that need to be addressed.

TheDave
03-14-2010, 02:58 PM
At the very least, the competition between Quinn and Orton will make us better...

There really is no downside here.

eddie mac
03-14-2010, 02:58 PM
Mark this down.

Aside from Elway, this will be up there as one of the best trades this franchise ever made.

elsid13
03-14-2010, 02:59 PM
If Quinn had any potential don't you think Holmgren would have kept him. It not like Holmgren doesn't know QBs or modern NFL offenses.

mellow mood
03-14-2010, 02:59 PM
i am very happy with this deal

no down side with quite a bit of upside

this front office does a great job during FA

if we can just have a better draft this year wow, look out

eddie mac
03-14-2010, 03:00 PM
GREAT trade for Denver.

Quinn has only played in 14 games! And 12 of those with 2 rookie WRs and no running game (except for the end of the year). How can you expect anyone to succeed with ZERO talent around them?

Not only that. The system was built for him.

HEAV
03-14-2010, 03:00 PM
With Gaffney wearing #10 B-Quinn is going to need a new number...9? Maybe 13? Or how about 6...:wiggle:

Majik
03-14-2010, 03:00 PM
I'm not fond of Quinn at all, but you can't argue with the upside of this trade.

go_broncos
03-14-2010, 03:01 PM
bad trade.Quinn is not a NFL QB.Orton is a better QB than Quinn.
Mcd is ruining the franchise.
I am waiting for the day the evil person gets fired and sit at home.

TDmvp
03-14-2010, 03:01 PM
Mark this down.

Aside from Elway, this will be up there as one of the best trades this franchise ever made.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

lostknight
03-14-2010, 03:01 PM
Wow.

Trading a halfback that Josh is too stupid to use.
Getting a quarterback that Josh thought was worse than Orton last year.

Good news is that this probably means no trade for Marshall, otherwise, we would have just planned on getting Clausen.

elsid13
03-14-2010, 03:02 PM
At the very least, the competition between Quinn and Orton will make us better...

There really is no downside here.


Who knew competing for "Ho's", trannies and seeing who can drink more Jack Daniels makes you a better QB.

McBadass
03-14-2010, 03:02 PM
If Quinn had any potential don't you think Holmgren would have kept him. It not like Holmgren doesn't know QBs or modern NFL offenses.

Don't you think Holmgren is interested in starting over? I do.

He wants to build Cleveland from the ground up, which means quarterback especially.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 03:02 PM
Getting a quarterback that Josh thought was worse than Orton last year.


Explain. This is the 3rd time Josh has tried to trade for Quinn in a little under a year.

McBadass
03-14-2010, 03:02 PM
Wow.

Trading a halfback that Josh is too stupid to use.
Getting a quarterback that Josh thought was worse than Orton last year.

Good news is that this probably means no trade for Marshall, otherwise, we would have just planned on getting Clausen.

When are you starting your new coaching gig? Soon, I'd assume?

missingnumber7
03-14-2010, 03:04 PM
We no longer have to waste a pick in this years draft on a QB we all knew we were going to add. Just keeps getting better.

This is probably the biggest upside of this move, well that and knowing for sure that we won't have to watch Simms throwing it to the wrong team.

go_broncos
03-14-2010, 03:04 PM
AFC North..Watch out for Hillis..He is a great player that is not utilized by our college coach.

illbroncsfn
03-14-2010, 03:05 PM
For the reported compensation, this a good risk for the Broncos to take as an organization. I bet Kyle Orton will not be skipping OTA's due to only receiving the 1st round tender now....

broncos-rock
03-14-2010, 03:05 PM
[QUOTE=NFLBRONCO;2777278]The deal itself value wise is good just don't see Quinn a major upgrade over Orton. I can't stand Quinn every time he talks I want to punch him that's why this trade is not exciting for me.[/QUOTE

I just think he is a more mobile option than Orton and can make plays when things break down. Does this mean that we will take Spiller in the 1st as well?

McBadass
03-14-2010, 03:05 PM
AFC North..Watch out for Hillis..He is a great player that is not utilized by our college coach.

yep! 350 yards in one whole season! greatness!

Tombstone RJ
03-14-2010, 03:05 PM
Don't you think Holmgren is interested in starting over? I do.

He wants to build Cleveland from the ground up, which means quarterback especially.

So, this is why he brought in Delhomme at $6m? He's 34 years old. That ain't ground up building, that's old vet experience. That's an awful lot for a 34 year old QB that has stunk the last 3 years...

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 03:05 PM
AFC North..Watch out for Hillis..He is a great player that is not utilized by our college coach.

So what does that say about the previous HoF coach who only utilized this great player after 5 others were put on IR ahead of him?

gyldenlove
03-14-2010, 03:06 PM
Brady Quinn did not have any continuity in Cleveland at all.

He is only 25 years old. He looked tentative to me in the games that I saw him play, but the fix for that is more game experience.

In his time starting he threw more TDs than INTs (10-9), so it's not like he was a complete disaster.

Last year they trade Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards and expected him to try and win with very few offensive weapons.

I think you all will be surprised to see what he is going to do in Denver.

I like Peyton Hillis, but giving him up (when it was obvious Josh was not going to utilize him) and 2 late round draft picks for Brady Quinn is a low risk trade that could pay off big time.



Yes, let us play the QB who looked awful in a lot of games because that will make him an all-star we will call it the Jamarcus Russel school of thinking.

In his time starting he also struggled to complete 50% of his passes and he really struggled to win, in fact the only games he won last year (2 of them) he combined to go 16 for 36 for 156 yards with 2 interceptions and 0 touchdowns. That would be an awful effort it was 1 game, but over 2 whole games that is frankly disasterous, that is Chris Simms awful - which is the worst kind of awful.

I will be surprised if he can keep his ****ing hands off of Ryan Clady's junk, anything more than that will be a bonus.

gyldenlove
03-14-2010, 03:07 PM
For the reported compensation, this a good risk for the Broncos to take as an organization. I bet Kyle Orton will not be skipping OTA's due to only receiving the 1st round tender now....

This will have 0 impact on Kyle Orton, Orton even with a badly dislocated finger is better than Quinn, the only nice thing about this is that Richard Quinn won't be the only major draft bust named Quinn on the roster.

Ramathorn
03-14-2010, 03:07 PM
I LOVE THIS FKNG MOVE!! FINALLY, A GOOD DECISION by mcdaniels. Starting to win some of my trust back now.

Popps
03-14-2010, 03:07 PM
All I can do is laugh. Funniest trade ever.

OrangenBlueOhio
03-14-2010, 03:08 PM
If Quinn had any potential don't you think Holmgren would have kept him. It not like Holmgren doesn't know QBs or modern NFL offenses.

Holmgren picked up Seneca Wallace! Holmgren signed a deal to work with the Browns. It's very possible dementia is setting in.

Welcome to Denver Mr. Quinn.:twokisses

Boltjolt
03-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Great trade for us AFC foes. Quinn blows but you didnt give up anything. I know a few love Hillis but pfftttt....

OBF1
03-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Yes, let us play the QB who looked awful in a lot of games because that will make him an all-star we will call it the Jamarcus Russel school of thinking.

In his time starting he also struggled to complete 50% of his passes and he really struggled to win, in fact the only games he won last year (2 of them) he combined to go 16 for 36 for 156 yards with 2 interceptions and 0 touchdowns. That would be an awful effort it was 1 game, but over 2 whole games that is frankly disasterous, that is Chris Simms awful - which is the worst kind of awful.

I will be surprised if he can keep his ****ing hands off of Ryan Clady's junk, anything more than that will be a bonus.

Man you whine like a bi t ch.... Is everyone one in Denmark this way???

Play2win
03-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Is Taco going to shut down the mane because the Broncos traded Hillis?

extralife
03-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Don't like this at all. Two QBs means no QBs, and Hillis has more talent than Quinn straight up.

go_broncos
03-14-2010, 03:10 PM
So what does that say about the previous HoF coach who only utilized this great player after 5 others were put on IR ahead of him?

I was happy when shanny got fired.
But, hiring Mcd is a wrong choice.

Hopefully, Mcd will be fired in couple of seasons so that we get a experienced coach.

TheDave
03-14-2010, 03:11 PM
If Quinn had any potential don't you think Holmgren would have kept him. It not like Holmgren doesn't know QBs or modern NFL offenses.

He also thinks Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme are better... To be honest I'm not sure what to think about Holmgren right now.

Beantown Bronco
03-14-2010, 03:11 PM
Good trade... minimum compensation for some upside at an important position. Like it or not folks Peyton Hillis was never going to play here.

Unless you were a major Orton fan, I'm not sure how you could be upset by this.

I'm a major Orton fan, and I really like this move. Even if Quinn turns out to be nothing more than a #2, all it does is make the team better IMO.

Ray Finkle
03-14-2010, 03:11 PM
so the trade boils down to this Denver trades a RB they wouldn't play for a QB that Cleveland wouldn't play and throws in a 6th rounder and 2011 pick based on playing time? I don't see it as a bad deal. At worst case, he makes a solid back to Orton or whoever starts.

broncos-rock
03-14-2010, 03:12 PM
I was happy when shanny got fired.
But, hiring Mcd is a wrong choice.

Hopefully, Mcd will be fired in couple of seasons so that we get a experienced coach.

Then go be a browns fan for the next 2 years so we don't have to read your crap!!

elsid13
03-14-2010, 03:12 PM
Explain. This is the 3rd time Josh has tried to trade for Quinn in a little under a year.

Doesn't that kinda of scare you. Taking away his connection to Charlie Fatboy Weiss, is there anything in his play in college or the pros that indicates that he is a starter in the NFL. He doesn't have a strong arm, is pretty mobile but seem to panic when he doesn't have clean pocket and doesn't use his mobility for successful find passing lanes.

Beantown Bronco
03-14-2010, 03:12 PM
How do you go from this:

Guess Orton isn't the future like some on this board claimed.

to this:

If Quinn had any potential don't you think Holmgren would have kept him. It not like Holmgren doesn't know QBs or modern NFL offenses.

Makes no sense.

NFLBRONCO
03-14-2010, 03:13 PM
[QUOTE=NFLBRONCO;2777278]The deal itself value wise is good just don't see Quinn a major upgrade over Orton. I can't stand Quinn every time he talks I want to punch him that's why this trade is not exciting for me.[/QUOTE

I just think he is a more mobile option than Orton and can make plays when things break down. Does this mean that we will take Spiller in the 1st as well?

I was actually starting to believe Denver was going to draft QB in first two rounds but, guess not. I think this means LB WR OL most likely options early on.

go_broncos
03-14-2010, 03:14 PM
The only one that benefits from this trade is Hillis and Browns.

Cool Breeze
03-14-2010, 03:14 PM
Woo Hoo!
Quinn would have to work hard to be worse than Simms, and he's over 2 mil cheaper.
He knows the system and will be motivated to show what a mistake Cleveland made.
No Bronco draft pick going to mid - round QB's this year - I like what I see - all upside!
Now trade for a guard/center...

Ramathorn
03-14-2010, 03:14 PM
We no longer have to waste a pick in this years draft on a QB we all knew we were going to add. Just keeps getting better.
we can wait till next year now and draft JAKE LOCKER!!

eddie mac
03-14-2010, 03:14 PM
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

We'll see.

Pontius Pirate
03-14-2010, 03:14 PM
We now have the three gayest QBs in the league. McDaniels must want to make a sequel to movie Milk

One more of the Four Horsemen of the Gaypocalypse to add, and we will be in business.

http://www.notredamesucks.org/clausen.jpg

By the way, I hear McDaniels has put a call into Johnny Weir's agent to inquire about his ability to play Tight End.

s0phr0syne
03-14-2010, 03:15 PM
gylden, dude, I normally respect most of your posts but I think you're really looking at this trade with way too much bias.

This is clearly a low risk/ potentially high reward move. There's no downside really.

HAT
03-14-2010, 03:15 PM
your an idiot

You're.

TheDave
03-14-2010, 03:15 PM
I'm a major Orton fan, and I really like this move. Even if Quinn turns out to be nothing more than a #2, all it does is make the team better IMO.

That's my opinion of the entire thing... even if he is only a #2 he is better than the #2 we currently have.

ColoradoDarin
03-14-2010, 03:15 PM
The trade for me means that Orton has a year to prove himself and if he does, he's our starter after next year with a decent (porkchop!) contract. If not, we have Quinn to groom. Even if Quinn turns out to be nothing more than a back up, we need a backup QB.

Pontius Pirate
03-14-2010, 03:18 PM
http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/lombardi_trophy2.jpg

elsid13
03-14-2010, 03:18 PM
How do you go from this:



to this:



Makes no sense.

Because they were a response to two different posts with two different context.

Trading for Quinn plus Bowlen comments indicates that FO isn't as enamored with Orton as some believe on this board. This is move to get McDaniels his QB. For some reason McDaniels likes Quinn and I am sure he will be given every opportunity to win the starting QB role

521 1N5
03-14-2010, 03:19 PM
You're.

lol. Love it when that happens!

Ramathorn
03-14-2010, 03:19 PM
http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/lombardi_trophy2.jpg

finally

Paladin
03-14-2010, 03:20 PM
The only one that benefits from this trade is Hillis and Browns.

Absolute BS. Why don't you go follow the Packers, Giants or the Bears?

Beantown Bronco
03-14-2010, 03:20 PM
Because they were a response to two different posts with two different context.

Trading for Quinn plus Bowlen comments indicates that FO isn't as enamored with Orton as some believe on this board. This is move to get McDaniels his QB. For some reason McDaniels likes Quinn and I am sure he will be given every opportunity to win the starting QB role

Not really. That's a conclusion you make when a team drafts a first or second round QB or gives up a lot more than chump change for a QB making the league minimum salary. None of that happened here.

TonyR
03-14-2010, 03:21 PM
Trading for Quinn plus Bowlen comments indicates that FO isn't as enamored with Orton as some believe on this board.

Who thinks the FO is "enamored" with Orton? Where do you come up with this nonsense you've been posting lately? Bowlen's comments alone made it clear that Orton isn't/wasn't the long term answer.

Dagmar
03-14-2010, 03:21 PM
Love the move!

Bronx33
03-14-2010, 03:22 PM
The mighty quinn has been born.

Killericon
03-14-2010, 03:22 PM
Even if he's a backup, this is a good trade. I wish Josh could've/would've used Hillis, but if he wasn't going to, then it's good we got something for him.

Cool Breeze
03-14-2010, 03:22 PM
If Quinn was cut - K.C. would have nabbed him.

OBF1
03-14-2010, 03:22 PM
I think McDaniels is a genius.

Has anyone considered that another team in the NFL might put together an offer sheet for Kyle Orton??? Denver does not match, gets a first round pick this year and Quinn is now the starter.

go_broncos
03-14-2010, 03:22 PM
Absolute BS. Why don't you go follow the Packers, Giants or the Bears?

Why should i?..I didn't like the move.

extralife
03-14-2010, 03:23 PM
I think McDaniels is a genius.

Has anyone considered that another team in the NFL might put together an offer sheet for Kyle Orton??? Denver does not match, gets a first round pick this year and Quinn is now the starter.

I think you're kind of an idiot

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 03:24 PM
So since I'm a Twitter moron and just repeating what I see on CP, anyone want to put up Jason La Confora? Sounds like he said the '12 pick is a mid-round pick at best.

Hulamau
03-14-2010, 03:25 PM
Hearing that it could be a 2012 first.

Only if Brady Quinn starts the next 38 games the next two years the last one beign the Super Bowl! :twokisses

WolfpackGuy
03-14-2010, 03:25 PM
Nice move.

Trade for a guy who was more than likely going to be cut anyway.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/thetoydepartment/TigerWoods.jpg

cabronco
03-14-2010, 03:25 PM
So were out of a 6th round pick this year. Arent we out of a fifth this year too ? Anyone ?

OBF1
03-14-2010, 03:26 PM
I think you're kind of an idiot

When I want lip from you, I will scrape it off my zipper.... 2 hours ago most people on the Mane would have called you crazy if you said we were trading for Quinn.

SoDak Bronco
03-14-2010, 03:26 PM
the legend of Peyton Hillis was able to get us a highly touted 1st round pick QB? SWeeeeeeeeeet!! This is a win win situation...last year we were hoping to trade cutler for quinn and a draft pick...he was much cheaper this year :)

extralife
03-14-2010, 03:27 PM
you just seriously postulated that a Real Live NFL Team is going to give us a first round pick for Kyle Orton.

Bronx33
03-14-2010, 03:27 PM
Anything and i mean anything is better than chris simms.

elsid13
03-14-2010, 03:27 PM
So since I'm a Twitter moron and just repeating what I see on CP, anyone want to put up Jason La Confora? Sounds like he said the '12 pick is a mid-round pick at best.

The 2012 draft pick in the Brady Quinn trade can range from a mid-to-late round selection, based on performance. Another busy day for Browns

http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora

OBF1
03-14-2010, 03:27 PM
So were out of a 6th round pick this year. Arent we out of a fifth this year too ? Anyone ?

2011 6th rounder

spdirty
03-14-2010, 03:27 PM
eh, dont care too much for quinn, but we arent giving up much for him so its more than worth a shot if McD can make something of him.

Sorry Hillis is in Cleveland. Hope he can latch on with Shanny soon.

Cool Breeze
03-14-2010, 03:29 PM
Quinn is only 25, doesn't wear furs
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/jamarcus.jpg

Although he may like furries
http://actnormal.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/furries-kidding.jpg

ScottXray
03-14-2010, 03:29 PM
So were out of a 6th round pick this year. Arent we out of a fifth this year too ? Anyone ?

No. conditional 6th in 2011 (next year) and conditional late round (4-6) pick in 2012.

I think we traded away our 5th THIS year for LeKevin Smith last summer. (NE) but we also got Hochstein . so yes, we have no 5th this year.

DenverBrit
03-14-2010, 03:30 PM
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montrose
03-14-2010, 03:30 PM
Here's to a Brady-to-Richard TD pass so Oskie can use multiple Medicine Woman references.

Honestly I don't mind the move, not much was given up since Hillis won't play here. Quinn should provide good competition for Orton and be an upgrade over Simms. I think this makes a brusing RB certainly something to look for in the draft.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 03:31 PM
That '11 6th isn't a conditional pick.

DHallblows
03-14-2010, 03:32 PM
I see this as a non playing RB and a ****ty pick NEXT year for a QB who's...alright. Regardless he was drafted in the first round.
And then a random pick in 2012 as an excuse to fire Simms........so I'm all for it! :thumbsup:

WolfpackGuy
03-14-2010, 03:32 PM
So why is Chris Simms not cut yet?

vancejohnson82
03-14-2010, 03:32 PM
i like the move...

worst case is that Hillis lights it up for the Browns and we miss out on the next amazing 6th round draft pick

best case we have a young QB McDaniels can groom

snowspot66
03-14-2010, 03:32 PM
bad trade.Quinn is not a NFL QB.Orton is a better QB than Quinn.
Mcd is ruining the franchise.
I am waiting for the day the evil person gets fired and sit at home.

Ha, bad trade?

This trade has literally no risk whatsoever. There is nothing but upside to this and it starts with releasing Simms.

Steve Prefontaine
03-14-2010, 03:33 PM
Love the trade. I have no idea if Quinn will work out, but it is still a good trade.

24champ
03-14-2010, 03:33 PM
Hillis was going to be cut in camp anyway.

Next up to be traded, Scheffler.

bpc
03-14-2010, 03:33 PM
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Wow, totally gayest song ever on that video.

This trade has potential for upside as long as the conditional picks can never be first or second rounders.

I like Quinn better than Orton so i'm somewhat happy.

Requiem
03-14-2010, 03:37 PM
Potential for both teams. Yay.

Popps
03-14-2010, 03:37 PM
I'm obviously not going to read through all of the slop on this thread, but if anyone's upset about this, you need your head examined.

At VERY WORST, we just shored up our back-up QB spot by giving up a bench warmer FB.

At best, we've got someone in the mix for a starting spot who (I'm told) has a lot of untapped talent.

I've never seen much in Quinn, but I haven't seen much OF him, either. There's a reason we went after him, and if McD could make a successful QB out of Orton, I'll assume he can do it with a QB like Quinn.

Great move, as far as I'm concerned. I'm just not sold on him as a potential starter, but we'll see... and it offers us much more upside than a 3rd string FB.

Drek
03-14-2010, 03:37 PM
The Browns also traded Kam Wimbley to the raiders. He was a starter who registered 6.5 sacks last year, 26.5 sacks total over his 4 year career.

Seems more and more like Holmgren just wants to purge the whole organization. The rumor floated out of Cleveland is that he didn't like Quinn's accuracy, but then he brought in Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme, probably two of the least accurate QBs to start games in the NFL last season.

Great buy low move. Quinn will provide the real competition for Orton where Simms failed. I said earlier in the off-season that I'd like to see us acquire either Quinn or O'Connell, and then use a late round selection on someone like John Skelton or Sean Canfield. Looking more and more likely.

Going to be a lot of crow ate with regards to Quinn. He's still a very talented QB, but he's lacked protection or weapons to work with, and had a defense that constantly put him behind. I wouldn't be shocked if he beat out Orton to open the season. Not betting on it, but it wouldn't be a total surprise to me.

This is what I've been telling people all off-season though. Orton is a pretty good QB that you can win games and make playoff runs with, but he isn't elite. Until he shows that he's stepped his game up to an elite level we need to keep bringing in competition for him, and any other position where we don't have elite talent. Shanahan used to always preach that every job was up for grabs in camp and pre-season, but McDaniels is actually doing it.

go_broncos
03-14-2010, 03:39 PM
Ha, bad trade?

This trade has literally no risk whatsoever. There is nothing but upside to this and it starts with releasing Simms.

If we want to release Simms, we can do it..
I bet there are many QB's in the league better than Simms.
Why go for a trade?.It doesn't make sense.

Requiem
03-14-2010, 03:40 PM
Heck yeah guys Hall of Fame Brady Quann.

The MVPlaya
03-14-2010, 03:41 PM
Nice trade for Brady Quinn. McDaniels got the guy he wanted. This isn't Madden or some virtual world where you can sit here and HOPE that Quinn is dropped, with the possibility that another team could have traded for Quinn. We gave up essentially nothing, Hillis was completely unproductive for the Broncos and some late round draft picks for our most likely starting QB next year.

I'm not sure what's up with the love about Hillis, maybe he represents the the IQ level of the population in Denver hence all the love, I'm not sure, but he has done nothing in his career. He's had 1 good game in his career - 1. And yet you'd think he's the second coming of Terrell Davis after talking to some Broncos fans.

It's funny that people are considering Orton the better QB. McDaniels over achieves with all his QBs. He turns **** in sugar and sugar into diamond. Matt Cassell - who would have considered him a top NFL quarterback? Kyle Orton - who in their right minds thought he could even be in a spread/pass heavy offense?

You're pretty much dealing with guys with limited physical attributes here. Yet McDaniels turns both into legit QBs.

We have the best QB coach in the league, and you're talking about Holmgren's eye for talent after picking up Senceca Wallace to compete for a starting job?

Rewind this a year and ask yourselves, do you really think you'd be questioning if Orton or Quinn would be the starting QB (knowing that Jay was gone)? Now I see fans considering Orton as so great - LMAO.

This is McDaniels' best QB he's gotten to coach since Tom Brady. He was great in the system at Notre Dame. If anyone watched the Browns last year you'd see a team that was lacking talent in all facets of the offensive game - and they decided to ship out all the talent they did have.

Brady Quinn was brought here to be the starter - and he will be when the season starts. We aren't chillin for another year with Orton at the helm. I'm not saying this because he's being given the job, but he will beat Orton for the job.

Paladin
03-14-2010, 03:42 PM
If the haters are so worked up, McD is doing somethng right.......

Caveat Lector
03-14-2010, 03:42 PM
I'm obviously not going to read through all of the slop on this thread, but if anyone's upset about this, you need your head examined.

At VERY WORST, we just shored up our back-up QB spot by giving up a bench warmer FB.

At best, we've got someone in the mix for a starting spot who (I'm told) has a lot of untapped talent.

I've never seen much in Quinn, but I haven't seen much OF him, either. There's a reason we went after him, and if McD could make a successful QB out of Orton, I'll assume he can do it with a QB like Quinn.

Great move, as far as I'm concerned. I'm just not sold on him as a potential starter, but we'll see... and it offers us much more upside than a 3rd string FB.

My thoughts exactly.

Do feel sorry for Orton though, dude was solid enough last year now he has to spend the 2010 season looking over his shoulder...

Kaylore
03-14-2010, 03:42 PM
Good trade... minimum compensation for some upside at an important position. Like it or not folks Peyton Hillis was never going to play here.

Unless you were a major Orton fan, I'm not sure how you could be upset by this.
I can see this point. We need a real backup QB and Simms needs to go. Quinn will at best push Orton (unlikely) or at the very least learn from Orton how not to be a total pussy and replace Simms.

I also like that we got rid of Peyton Hillis so all the cultists around here that convinced each other he was the next Jerome Bettis will see him not dress for games in Cleveland making three different coaches who won't like him, and make them all look like fools.

There are a few problems with this, however.

1.) I hate Brady Quinn. It's partly his mentally soft, whiny demeanor, partly his gay mystique, and maybe a large part his crappy, undeserving commercials. Most of all he's not a good football player. He's all show and no go.

2.) This is going to be Chris Simms 2.0. Let me clarify. Quinn is a gargantuan upgrade over Simms, but that is more a slam on Simms than an endorsement of Quinn. The same people that were pining for Simms to start every week are going to do the same thing for Quinn. And then Orton's bad ankle will give out some week, and Quinn will go in and look pedestrian. Still, until then that's all we're going to here about. "**** MCDANIELS! PLAY QUINN! HE COOD BOM IT DOW FEELD!!1!!!!1!" Never mind that Quinn doesn't bomb anything and never mind that Orton is more accurate than Quinn.

The hype and youth of Quinn is going to take off. People are going to show highlights from Notre Dame or the game against us two years ago like it had any kind of relevance or perspective and expect production like he had from college or against a Slowik defense.

So while I see it as what it is, basically some underachievers with major flaws being traded like spare parts, I know the hype train is going to take it to new levels of stupid.

Drek
03-14-2010, 03:43 PM
So why is Chris Simms not cut yet?

He isn't due a bonus, so why let him go?

If Orton, Quinn, or Brandstater should have a serious injury early in camp we got an extra body we can hang onto, if not we release Simms with first cuts and we aren't paying him anything more than camp checks (pennies compared to NFL player salaries).

Interesting fact: While Quinn has been in the league three years already he is actually 6 days younger than 2009 rookie QB Tom Brandstater.

extralife
03-14-2010, 03:43 PM
I'm obviously not going to read this thread because why would someone that posts a hundred posts a day on a forum be expected to actually engage or value the community in any meaningful way. Instead I will offer bold proclamations for the plebs

fixed

Killericon
03-14-2010, 03:44 PM
The Browns also traded Kam Wimbley to the raiders. He was a starter who registered 6.5 sacks last year, 26.5 sacks total over his 4 year career.

Does this signal that maybe the Raiders are willing to give up Morrison?

s0phr0syne
03-14-2010, 03:44 PM
Bring Back DARIUS WALKER!

:rofl: :P

toad
03-14-2010, 03:44 PM
I like it....

Quinn ran Weiss' system at Notre Dame....presummably McDaniel's system has some similarities (some off the Patriot/Belicheck tree)?

Hillis, as much as I liked him, obviously wasn't being used so we just got a steal on a 1st round QB who, quite honestly, nobody really knows too much about (too much unrest in Cleveland since he's been there, had no offensive weapons last year, etc).

Dedhed
03-14-2010, 03:44 PM
yep! 350 yards in one whole season! greatness!

Don't forget 7th on the RB depth chart under the Mastermind!

WolfpackGuy
03-14-2010, 03:45 PM
He isn't due a bonus, so why let him go?

If Orton, Quinn, or Brandstater should have a serious injury early in camp we got an extra body we can hang onto, if not we release Simms with first cuts and we aren't paying him anything more than camp checks (pennies compared to NFL player salaries).

Interesting fact: While Quinn has been in the league three years already he is actually 6 days younger than 2009 rookie QB Tom Brandstater.

Good point.

Let's just hope Simms doesn't see too many reps.

The MVPlaya
03-14-2010, 03:45 PM
I can see this point. We need a real backup QB and Simms needs to go. Quinn will at best push Orton (unlikely) or at the very least learn from Orton how not to be a total p***Y and replace Simms.

I also like that we got rid of Peyton Hillis so all the cultists around here that convinced each other he was the next Jerome Bettis will see him not dress for games in Cleveland making three different coaches who won't like him, and make them all look like fools.

There are a few problems with this, however.

1.) I hate Brady Quinn. It's partly his mentally soft, whiny demeanor, partly his gay mystique, and maybe a large part his crappy, undeserving commercials. Most of all he's not a good football player. He's all show and no go.

2.) This is going to be Chris Simms 2.0. Let me clarify. Quinn is a gargantuan upgrade over Simms, but that is more a slam on Simms than an endorsement of Quinn. The same people that were pining for Simms to start every week are going to do the same thing for Quinn. And then Orton's bad ankle will give out some week, and Quinn will go in and look pedestrian. Still, until then that's all we're going to here about. "**** MCDANIELS! PLAY QUINN! HE COOD BOM IT DOW FEELD!!1!!!!1!" Never mind that Quinn doesn't bomb anything and never mind that Orton is more accurate than Quinn.

The hype and youth of Quinn is going to take off. People are going to show highlights from Notre Dame or the game against us two years ago like it had any kind of relevance or perspective and expect production like he had from college or against a Slowik defense.

So while I see it as what it is, basically some underachievers with major flaws being traded like spare parts, I know the hype train is going to take it to new levels of stupid.

So with reasoning #1 - you've pretty much voided all your thoughts as any real football insight with your hate towards his demeanor and commercials.

Quinn is actually on an NFL team now.

extralife
03-14-2010, 03:45 PM
I can see this point. We need a real backup QB and Simms needs to go. Quinn will at best push Orton (unlikely) or at the very least learn from Orton how not to be a total p***Y and replace Simms.

I also like that we got rid of Peyton Hillis so all the cultists around here that convinced each other he was the next Jerome Bettis will see him not dress for games in Cleveland making three different coaches who won't like him, and make them all look like fools.

There are a few problems with this, however.

1.) I hate Brady Quinn. It's partly his mentally soft, whiny demeanor, partly his gay mystique, and maybe a large part his crappy, undeserving commercials. Most of all he's not a good football player. He's all show and no go.

2.) This is going to be Chris Simms 2.0. Let me clarify. Quinn is a gargantuan upgrade over Simms, but that is more a slam on Simms than an endorsement of Quinn. The same people that were pining for Simms to start every week are going to do the same thing for Quinn. And then Orton's bad ankle will give out some week, and Quinn will go in and look pedestrian. Still, until then that's all we're going to here about. "**** MCDANIELS! PLAY QUINN! HE COOD BOM IT DOW FEELD!!1!!!!1!" Never mind that Quinn doesn't bomb anything and never mind that Orton is more accurate than Quinn.

The hype and youth of Quinn is going to take off. People are going to show highlights from Notre Dame or the game against us two years ago like it had any kind of relevance or perspective and expect production like he had from college or against a Slowik defense.

So while I see it as what it is, basically some underachievers with major flaws being traded like spare parts, I know the hype train is going to take it to new levels of stupid.

yeah man, this is exactly what I said in that other thread. I didn't want Quinn as a possible FA, much less someone we actually give things for. as if this fan base needed another stupid thing to be divided over.

elsid13
03-14-2010, 03:46 PM
Wasn't Cleveland running Weiss system last season when the brought in OC from Notre Dame?

Paladin
03-14-2010, 03:46 PM
The Browns also traded Kam Wimbley to the raiders. He was a starter who registered 6.5 sacks last year, 26.5 sacks total over his 4 year career.

Seems more and more like Holmgren just wants to purge the whole organization. The rumor floated out of Cleveland is that he didn't like Quinn's accuracy, but then he brought in Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme, probably two of the least accurate QBs to start games in the NFL last season.

Great buy low move. Quinn will provide the real competition for Orton where Simms failed. I said earlier in the off-season that I'd like to see us acquire either Quinn or O'Connell, and then use a late round selection on someone like John Skelton or Sean Canfield. Looking more and more likely.

Going to be a lot of crow ate with regards to Quinn. He's still a very talented QB, but he's lacked protection or weapons to work with, and had a defense that constantly put him behind. I wouldn't be shocked if he beat out Orton to open the season. Not betting on it, but it wouldn't be a total surprise to me.

This is what I've been telling people all off-season though. Orton is a pretty good QB that you can win games and make playoff runs with, but he isn't elite. Until he shows that he's stepped his game up to an elite level we need to keep bringing in competition for him, and any other position where we don't have elite talent. Shanahan used to always preach that every job was up for grabs in camp and pre-season, but McDaniels is actually doing it.

"But, but, McD is tearing down the whole orgainization. All the talent is being shipped out. An he is too young to be a coach, and he dosen't have the experience to be a head coach, and........."

I agree with you, Drek, but the freaking haters are just so stupid and closed minded that you'd think they all went to school in Texas or Arkansas.....

s0phr0syne
03-14-2010, 03:47 PM
Hopefully Ryan Harris and Bruton were used as consultants on this trade. And Andra Davis before we cut him.

lolololo

baja
03-14-2010, 03:48 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/14/browns-trade-quinn-to-broncos-for-hillis-two-picks/


F Josh ... Quinn might be my least fav player in the league ...

Funny now we have 2 Quinns that blow goats...

you have the pictures.

gyldenlove
03-14-2010, 03:48 PM
Wasn't Cleveland running Weiss system last season when the brought in OC from Notre Dame?

Cleveland wasn't running any system last year, it was like us playing defense under Jim Bates or Slowwit, it is just approximately 11 human males of various ethnicity running around for a few hours to avoid forfeiting games.

Irish Stout
03-14-2010, 03:48 PM
I like the move, but it may have little effect if we can't groom Quinn to over take Orton. Guess this will at least shut people up about drafting a QB.

The MVPlaya
03-14-2010, 03:48 PM
Wasn't Cleveland running Weiss system last season when the brought in OC from Notre Dame?

Who ever was running it was having issues. I abnormally caught a couple Browns games and if you want to see a conservative offense, you'd have to watch the Browns. They had more short route, WR screen, etc plays than you can ever imagine.

I don't see that team or any of Brady's production on that team as any real indicator of how good/bad he is.

24champ
03-14-2010, 03:49 PM
He isn't due a bonus, so why let him go?

If Orton, Quinn, or Brandstater should have a serious injury early in camp we got an extra body we can hang onto, if not we release Simms with first cuts and we aren't paying him anything more than camp checks (pennies compared to NFL player salaries).

Interesting fact: While Quinn has been in the league three years already he is actually 6 days younger than 2009 rookie QB Tom Brandstater.

I said before we will be carrying 4 Quarterbacks. Best QBs that perform keep their jobs. That's the way it should be.

The MVPlaya
03-14-2010, 03:50 PM
"But, but, McD is tearing down the whole orgainization. All the talent is being shipped out. An he is too young to be a coach, and he dosen't have the experience to be a head coach, and........."

I agree with you, Drek, but the freaking haters are just so stupid and closed minded that you'd think they all went to school in Texas or Arkansas.....

That's probably the best way to describe most of the fan base here on the Mane.

gyldenlove
03-14-2010, 03:51 PM
The only thing that is consoling me right now is that the Browns fans I know are melting down because they gave Quinn away for 2 stale donuts and a used condom.

Killericon
03-14-2010, 03:52 PM
Adam Schefter: "Last year the Browns could have had Jay Cutler for Brady Quinn. This year they get Peyton Hillis and two late picks."

Thank god for Phil Savage.

Hercules Rockefeller
03-14-2010, 03:52 PM
Adam Schefter: "Last year the Browns could have had Jay Cutler for Brady Quinn. This year they get Peyton Hillis and two late picks."

Thank god for Phil Savage.

Well, and the 5th overall too. It wasn't a straight up deal.

gtown
03-14-2010, 03:53 PM
Can't say I love the trade, but he does have potential. One thing is for sure, Denver stores will have less tight t-shirts, gay porn, and EAS Myoplex in stock once Quinn gets there.

What gets me is how can a guy as big and strong as Quinn not have an arm? I mean this guy did more reps in the combine bench press than Cutler did. His biceps are as large as my thighs. And yet, he is as noodle armed as Orton?

SonOfLe-loLang
03-14-2010, 03:54 PM
I dont want to read 10 pages on what im sure is predictable, but ive never been a Quinn hater since the game he started against us. He's got a good ability to find the hot read on a blitz, throws a nice ball. It'll be good to see what he can do with some coaching. We didnt give up much

elsid13
03-14-2010, 03:55 PM
Who ever was running it was having issues. I abnormally caught a couple Browns games and if you want to see a conservative offense, you'd have to watch the Browns. They had more short route, WR screen, etc plays than you can ever imagine.

I don't see that team or any of Brady's production on that team as any real indicator of how good/bad he is.


That is Weiss system and is basis for McDaniels too. Short control passing game with power running style - classic EP.

Found this article

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/11/cleveland_browns_offensive_coo.html

Evidently Daboll was on Patriot's staff before following Weiss to ND. So Quinn has spent 7 plus years in the same system, he should have no problem coming in a learning the plays.

Cool Breeze
03-14-2010, 03:55 PM
Cleveland wasn't running any system last year, it was like us playing defense under Jim Bates or Slowwit, it is just approximately 11 human males of various ethnicity running around for a few hours to avoid forfeiting games.


HA too true

The MVPlaya
03-14-2010, 03:57 PM
Since when did Quinn have a "noodle" arm or weak arm strength?

I'm telling you the Broncos are serious when they want tough, smart, physical players.

DenverBrit
03-14-2010, 03:58 PM
This may turn out to be a bargain and nicely solves the backup QB. :thumbsup:

But for the haters, it doesn't matter who McPoopyPants brings in, "he's setting Denver back 10 years and ruining the franchise". :spit:

Killericon
03-14-2010, 04:00 PM
Well, and the 5th overall too. It wasn't a straight up deal.

Well, sure, but I'd rather have what we wound up getting, considering we eventually got Quinn, too.

Requiem
03-14-2010, 04:01 PM
Broncos trade #11 for McpOoPPants@!

The MVPlaya
03-14-2010, 04:01 PM
Cleveland wasn't running any system last year, it was like us playing defense under Jim Bates or Slowwit, it is just approximately 11 human males of various ethnicity running around for a few hours to avoid forfeiting games.

LOL Hilarious!

The MVPlaya
03-14-2010, 04:02 PM
Quinn was brought here to be a starter, not to compete for a backup spot.

I will bump this thread before the 1st game of the season.

Caveat Lector
03-14-2010, 04:05 PM
Does this signal that maybe the Raiders are willing to give up Morrison?

Putting the 3rd round tender signals that the Raiders are willing to give up Morrison. Nevertheless, Wimbley will probably play end in Oakland whilst Morrison is a MLB, hence the trade and Morrison's availability are not linked at all...

SonOfLe-loLang
03-14-2010, 04:07 PM
Doesn't that kinda of scare you. Taking away his connection to Charlie Fatboy Weiss, is there anything in his play in college or the pros that indicates that he is a starter in the NFL. He doesn't have a strong arm, is pretty mobile but seem to panic when he doesn't have clean pocket and doesn't use his mobility for successful find passing lanes.

im not sure what youre talking about. His first game against us (two seasons ago) the one thing he did really well was find the right guy in the face of a blitz. Id really like to see him with some good coaching and a QB friendly system. And we really didnt give up much, so whats the diff?

wolf754life
03-14-2010, 04:11 PM
Nice trade for Brady Quinn. McDaniels got the guy he wanted. This isn't Madden or some virtual world where you can sit here and HOPE that Quinn is dropped, with the possibility that another team could have traded for Quinn. We gave up essentially nothing, Hillis was completely unproductive for the Broncos and some late round draft picks for our most likely starting QB next year.

I'm not sure what's up with the love about Hillis, maybe he represents the the IQ level of the population in Denver hence all the love, I'm not sure, but he has done nothing in his career. He's had 1 good game in his career - 1. And yet you'd think he's the second coming of Terrell Davis after talking to some Broncos fans.

It's funny that people are considering Orton the better QB. McDaniels over achieves with all his QBs. He turns **** in sugar and sugar into diamond. Matt Cassell - who would have considered him a top NFL quarterback? Kyle Orton - who in their right minds thought he could even be in a spread/pass heavy offense?

You're pretty much dealing with guys with limited physical attributes here. Yet McDaniels turns both into legit QBs.

We have the best QB coach in the league, and you're talking about Holmgren's eye for talent after picking up Senceca Wallace to compete for a starting job?

Rewind this a year and ask yourselves, do you really think you'd be questioning if Orton or Quinn would be the starting QB (knowing that Jay was gone)? Now I see fans considering Orton as so great - LMAO.

This is McDaniels' best QB he's gotten to coach since Tom Brady. He was great in the system at Notre Dame. If anyone watched the Browns last year you'd see a team that was lacking talent in all facets of the offensive game - and they decided to ship out all the talent they did have.

Brady Quinn was brought here to be the starter - and he will be when the season starts. We aren't chillin for another year with Orton at the helm. I'm not saying this because he's being given the job, but he will beat Orton for the job.

best post of the offseason......................rack it!

the wolf approves of this development!

SonOfLe-loLang
03-14-2010, 04:12 PM
I can see this point. We need a real backup QB and Simms needs to go. Quinn will at best push Orton (unlikely) or at the very least learn from Orton how not to be a total p***Y and replace Simms.

I also like that we got rid of Peyton Hillis so all the cultists around here that convinced each other he was the next Jerome Bettis will see him not dress for games in Cleveland making three different coaches who won't like him, and make them all look like fools.

There are a few problems with this, however.

1.) I hate Brady Quinn. It's partly his mentally soft, whiny demeanor, partly his gay mystique, and maybe a large part his crappy, undeserving commercials. Most of all he's not a good football player. He's all show and no go.

2.) This is going to be Chris Simms 2.0. Let me clarify. Quinn is a gargantuan upgrade over Simms, but that is more a slam on Simms than an endorsement of Quinn. The same people that were pining for Simms to start every week are going to do the same thing for Quinn. And then Orton's bad ankle will give out some week, and Quinn will go in and look pedestrian. Still, until then that's all we're going to here about. "**** MCDANIELS! PLAY QUINN! HE COOD BOM IT DOW FEELD!!1!!!!1!" Never mind that Quinn doesn't bomb anything and never mind that Orton is more accurate than Quinn.

The hype and youth of Quinn is going to take off. People are going to show highlights from Notre Dame or the game against us two years ago like it had any kind of relevance or perspective and expect production like he had from college or against a Slowik defense.

So while I see it as what it is, basically some underachievers with major flaws being traded like spare parts, I know the hype train is going to take it to new levels of stupid.

When i see Brady Quinn, i think Vinny Testaverde. Both started on sad excuses for football teams and i think both (well one did, one has the potential to) excel when the rest of the team is running smoothly. McD did a great job with Orton last year and I strongly believe he'll do a good job with Quinn. I wanted Quinn last year of all the QB's spoken about and we got him for not much. Good risk to take

baja
03-14-2010, 04:12 PM
At the very least, the competition between Quinn and Orton will make us better...

There really is no downside here.

Unless you will miss all the Hillis drama threads

DrFate
03-14-2010, 04:13 PM
Its a good trade. Hillis wasn't going to play and quinn was a round 1 pick. Even if quinn only replaces Simms it is a good trade.

Cool Breeze
03-14-2010, 04:13 PM
Last year the Browns could have had Jay Cutler for Brady Quinn. This year they got two late-round picks and Peyton Hillis. about 1 hours ago (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10486644682)via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

Paladin
03-14-2010, 04:14 PM
Brady Quinn was brought here to be the starter......

I don't agree with that. He was brought here to compete for a job, and IF he wins it he would be the starter. I don't think he will do that. Takes a while to learn the system. And who knows if Brandstater would pan out better? Fact is, Quinn does bring some skill to the backup position at the least. But Starter? Remailns to be seen.