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BroncoSexyDaddy
03-12-2010, 04:39 PM
Im trying to see how members feel about drafting this guy,could he come in and start on our defense.

Flex Gunmetal
03-12-2010, 05:34 PM
Well now that you've provided me with some insight I can't say I'm against it!
:lombardi

RonDaChamp24
03-12-2010, 05:42 PM
He'd be a waste of a pick. He's best suited as a 4-3 DE. He wouldn't even get much PT in Denver, especially after we drafted Ayers last year. Don't get me wrong, Ayers wasn't fantastic but as the season wore on he got better and started most games opposite of Elvis Dumervil. No thanks to Brandon Graham.

Br0nc0Buster
03-12-2010, 05:49 PM
I doubt we spend a high pick on an OLB with Doom and Ayers on the roster

I like the player, but dont see it happening

Ziggy
03-12-2010, 05:49 PM
Graham is a solid player, both against the run and the pass. He has a non-stop motor and a knack for making plays. Good teams take the BPA on thier board. If that player is Graham, then grab him. If the Broncos go into this season without re-signing Elvis, he may not be here next year. It's great to have a pass rusher, but do they really want to franchise him and pay him that much when he's one dimensional?

Dedhed
03-12-2010, 06:06 PM
I agree with what's been said already. I really like Graham as a player, but I don't see him as a fit on this team. We'd have to convert him to play inside LB or something which wouldn't make sense when you could get Spikes or McClain inside and play them at their natural positions.

BroncoSexyDaddy
03-12-2010, 06:15 PM
Being that Graham played DE at Michigan,could he be converted to the 3-4 and play ILb,the position that Andra Davis played.I think he is a difference maker and could help this team win.I dont see it being a wasted pick,if we could get him.

BroncoSexyDaddy
03-12-2010, 06:20 PM
I agree with what's been said already. I really like Graham as a player, but I don't see him as a fit on this team. We'd have to convert him to play inside LB or something which wouldn't make sense when you could get Spikes or McClain inside and play them at their natural positions.I was thinking with McClain having Crohns disease it might effect him at Invesco with the thin air.Clark(Pitts) had some kind of problem adjusting to Denvers altitude. It may be risky drafting McClain playing in Denver.Thats why im thinking Brandan Graham swithing over,kind of like DJ Williams did may work out.

Aftermath
03-12-2010, 06:26 PM
i love brandon graham, think lamarr woodley....

Dedhed
03-12-2010, 06:37 PM
i love brandon graham, think lamarr woodley....Was Woodley a DE in college? I can't remember/

Dedhed
03-12-2010, 06:41 PM
I was thinking with McClain having Crohns disease it might effect him at Invesco with the thin air.Clark(Pitts) had some kind of problem adjusting to Denvers altitude. It may be risky drafting McClain playing in Denver.Thats why im thinking Brandan Graham swithing over,kind of like DJ Williams did may work out.

That might be true regarding McClain, I thought it was a sickle cell issue that Clark had. I have no idea how Crohn's might affect McClain at the next level or more specifically at altitude.

I like Spikes over McClain to begin with, and would much rather we went in that direction than trying to convert a 4-3 DE to ILB. Spikes is a great athlete and plays the game angry. He's a throwback Mike in a 21st century athletic package.

Aftermath
03-12-2010, 06:53 PM
Was Woodley a DE in college? I can't remember/

yea he played DE mostly and LB every once in a while, Graham reminds me of him so much....... and donovon warren also was supposed to be a 1st round pick last year, if we could get him like early 3rd/late 2nd i would love that

BroncoSexyDaddy
03-12-2010, 07:08 PM
yea he played DE mostly and LB every once in a while, Graham reminds me of him so much....... and donovon warren also was supposed to be a 1st round pick last year, if we could get him like early 3rd/late 2nd i would love thatI like Brandan Graham a lot,i think it would be very costly if we dont draft him.He seems like an impact player like Ray Lewis,Dawkins,Porter,and Ed Reed.I say he is worth fitting him in some where in the mix.He looked like the most dominating player at the senior bowl over everyone.I seen this guy everywhere on the field.


I know dumervil would start,couldnt he play one of the other positions in the 3-4.Picture Dumervill and Graham,now thats some pressure.^5


I also like Golden Tate being drafted,in you Avatar

Man-Goblin
03-12-2010, 07:10 PM
You can never have enough pass rushers. 11 seems too early for him, though.

SouthStndJunkie
03-12-2010, 07:46 PM
i love brandon graham, think lamarr woodley....

Yep....I have pretty much seen every game of both their careers and I made that comparison a few years ago.

Some team is going to get a heck of a player with a non-stop motor in Brandon Graham.

My guess is that come draft day, he will be drafted a little higher than most are expecting him to go.

Requiem
03-12-2010, 07:50 PM
Graham isn't worth it at #11, but somebody will be jumping the trigger on him as a 3-4 rushbacker somewhere in the middle to end of round one. I think he could even crack the top twenty. Not sure where people have him ranked with Kindle, Hughes, etc. -- but I think he's a very interesting prospect and will be a solid football player.

misturanderson
03-12-2010, 07:51 PM
I was thinking with McClain having Crohns disease it might effect him at Invesco with the thin air.Clark(Pitts) had some kind of problem adjusting to Denvers altitude.

You make the jump from a player having a flare-up of sickle cell anemia (something that directly affects the system our body uses to distribute oxygen to our tissues) at altitude to an inflammatory intestinal disease having some type of similar effect. Why?

Dedhed
03-12-2010, 08:10 PM
I like Brandan Graham a lot,i think it would be very costly if we dont draft him.He seems like an impact player like Ray Lewis,Dawkins,Porter,and Ed Reed.I say he is worth fitting him in some where in the mix.He looked like the most dominating player at the senior bowl over everyone.I seen this guy everywhere on the field.


I can see Graham being an impact player, but I think its a pretty large stretch to say it would be costly if we don't draft him.

There will be a number of impact guys taken in this draft, and I think there are guys who could have far greater impact in this system than Graham.

I think that Eric Berry, Brandon Spikes, Mike Iupati, Sam Bradford, CJ Spiller, Dez Bryant, could all be impact players.

Aftermath
03-12-2010, 08:13 PM
i honestly would not be mad at all if we picked him at #11, hes the real deal....

Aftermath
03-12-2010, 08:15 PM
and i wouldnt be mad at all because i know the player will make a huge impact, id rather take a player at 11 that i KNOW will be great than someone im not sure of, graham is one of those players that i just know will be the sh!t

Broncos_OTM
03-13-2010, 05:54 AM
Ayers has to make it OLB otherwise he is Jarvis Moss part 2 we have to spend the pick somewhere else i am actually now open to CJ Spiller in the first round

Mike Lupati. love the way he plays He had a hard time with his english though. Can he learn a tough pro offense is where i am with him

DEZ Bryant i would like to see him although i think he is out of the running with his character

CJ SPiller. Yes anothe first round back. like the player.

i would love to see Pouncey.

Man i hope i am right on this but i feel the broncos are gearing up for a trade down.. wouldnt that be great

Broncoman13
03-13-2010, 07:00 AM
He'd be a waste of a pick. He's best suited as a 4-3 DE. He wouldn't even get much PT in Denver, especially after we drafted Ayers last year. Don't get me wrong, Ayers wasn't fantastic but as the season wore on he got better and started most games opposite of Elvis Dumervil. No thanks to Brandon Graham.

Actually he is best suited to play OLB in a 3-4. Very similar to Woodley or Spencer. I think he'll be a very good player. Guy reminds me a little bit of Elvis as well. The problem we have is we just drafted Ayers in the first round. But, if he somehow makes it to our 2nd round pick, yeah, I'd take him. I think he'll be picked in the 24-28 range and will have 7 or 8 sacs as a rookie and by year three, he'll be in double digits.

Broncoman13
03-13-2010, 07:05 AM
Ayers has to make it OLB otherwise he is Jarvis Moss part 2 we have to spend the pick somewhere else i am actually now open to CJ Spiller in the first round

Mike Lupati. love the way he plays He had a hard time with his english though. Can he learn a tough pro offense is where i am with him

DEZ Bryant i would like to see him although i think he is out of the running with his character

CJ SPiller. Yes anothe first round back. like the player.

i would love to see Pouncey.

Man i hope i am right on this but i feel the broncos are gearing up for a trade down.. wouldnt that be great


Dez Bryant is getting a bit of a raw deal. Does he have character risks... yes. Are they as bad as everyone is saying, not really. I'm not sure we have the locker room to guide him yet, but if we get rid of a few of the whiners, I think guys like BDawk, Champ, Graham, Orton, and even Moreno can help the guy to understand what hard work and dedication really means. He was always big man on campus and was allowed to not give his best effort. This guy hasn't even touched his potential yet. He has a lot of growing left in him. Of course, he could just as easily flop the second he gets some big $$$ in his pocket. It's a risk to be sure.

As for CJ Spiller... I'd take him no problem. If we stand at #11 I really hope that we go with Trent Williams. Very athletic and can play LG at a very high level from day one. And, he has the feet to play LT or RT should one of those guys (Harris) get injured. At LG, he has the size and athleticism to do a number of different things on that left side.

cmhargrove
03-13-2010, 08:43 AM
As for Graham, I think he will be a starter in the NFL for his whole career. The Steelers willl probably take him and turn him into a monster that everyone regrets passing on...

That being said, there's no way he would seem to be our target at 11. It just doesn't make sense unless you were swinging a deal for Dumervil behind the scenes.

The more I watch McClain, the more I pray we don't take him at 11 either. I think Spikes will be a better pro, and he can be had in the second round. Although I hate to say this, I think that a Marshall trade that gets us picks at the top of the second round could be huge for the future of the team. There will be several good guard / center options, several d-linemen, several skill players, and several LB's that look to be great impact players in the top of the second.

If they could swing a 14 pick + swap second rounders with Seattle, i'd go for that.

Doggcow
03-13-2010, 11:24 AM
Brandon Spikes is the LB to get this year.

*WARHORSE*
03-13-2010, 11:33 AM
Im definitely on board with Graham. Even at 11.


Only guys I would want over him are Suh, Bradford, McCoy, Berry or Morgan.

This guy can get to the passer, and teamed with Dooom and a possibly improved Ayers, with Haggan moved inside, I think we have a rush set that could terrorize opposing QBs.

Doom is bad enough.......but to have another one on the other side?


*shivers*

bap454
03-13-2010, 12:08 PM
I also am a believer in Brandon Graham. This kid will be a stud in the league. So really, taking him at 11 is no big thing. The guy I think is in the exact same position is Weatherspoon. Sure fire pick with unlimited potential. Plus Weatherspoon offers more versatility than Graham. He could play all linebacker positions. So regardless of where they are predicted to go, take either Graham or Spoon at Eleven and dont look back.

Lestat
03-13-2010, 12:18 PM
Graham isn't at this point worth taking at #11. he's going to end up as a beast for some team. he's a complete DE/OLB type. very good against the run and can rush the passer.
he was a MLB in high school and got to big during his frosh year in college.

but right now because he isn't a freak speed DE. we could trade down and get him lower while getting an extra pick.
he may well end up with his stock rising highly as the draft gets closer.

but i want McClain hands down. he's going to be a Patrick Willis type of MLB.

bap454
03-13-2010, 12:26 PM
McClain I believe is nowhere near a PWillis type. While Mclain might be equivalent in athletic ability hes alot slower. Mclain just does not show that killer, nasty demenor that is needed to be a monster at the next level. Just jogs the around the field with no fire.

baja
03-13-2010, 12:54 PM
I also am a believer in Brandon Graham. This kid will be a stud in the league. So really, taking him at 11 is no big thing. The guy I think is in the exact same position is Weatherspoon. Sure fire pick with unlimited potential. Plus Weatherspoon offers more versatility than Graham. He could play all linebacker positions. So regardless of where they are predicted to go, take either Graham or Spoon at Eleven and dont look back.

I agree with this sentiment (BPA and don't look back) unless of course we could trade down a couple of notches and still get either one. Pick 11 is a very desirable pick because it is just outside of the big money required to sign a top 10 pick.

Dedhed
03-13-2010, 01:01 PM
McClain I believe is nowhere near a PWillis type. While Mclain might be equivalent in athletic ability hes alot slower. Mclain just does not show that killer, nasty demenor that is needed to be a monster at the next level. Just jogs the around the field with no fire.

That's exactly why I'm more interested in Weatherspoon and Spikes. Both have that nasty Mike demeanor and tremendous athletic ability. 'Spoon is just a flat out emotional leader, and spikes is Romonowski in a much more athletic package.

Aftermath
03-13-2010, 02:43 PM
trade down and get graham and aquire another pick - best option

Doggcow
03-13-2010, 03:50 PM
That's exactly why I'm more interested in Weatherspoon and Spikes. Both have that nasty Mike demeanor and tremendous athletic ability. 'Spoon is just a flat out emotional leader, and spikes is Romonowski in a much more athletic package.

I LOVE SPIKES!

Spikes will be a monster at the next level.

Aftermath
03-13-2010, 04:33 PM
graham has a WAYYYYYYYYYY better chance than spikes to be good at the next level

Lestat
03-13-2010, 04:40 PM
McClain I believe is nowhere near a PWillis type. While Mclain might be equivalent in athletic ability hes alot slower. Mclain just does not show that killer, nasty demenor that is needed to be a monster at the next level. Just jogs the around the field with no fire.

we'll have to agree to disagree on that. he's a damn good MLB and QB's his defense like i haven't seen in quite some time.
it'll be hilarious to see him audible the defense while Manning is going it for his offense.
he's a smart and heady guy and exactly the type of MLB this team needs.

Dedhed
03-13-2010, 05:41 PM
graham has a WAYYYYYYYYYY better chance than spikes to be good at the next level
Based on what? Graham may turn out to be better than Spikes, but transitioning a college DE to play ILB makes far less sense than taking the best college ILB and getting him a whole round later.

BroncoSexyDaddy
03-13-2010, 07:26 PM
Based on what? Graham may turn out to be better than Spikes, but transitioning a college DE to play ILB makes far less sense than taking the best college ILB and getting him a whole round later.I like Graham,we need a LB to take the zone passing routes away, excellent in coverage,we havent had that in some time.The guy is a beast and is worth the pick at 11 .

*WARHORSE*
03-13-2010, 08:15 PM
McClain I believe is nowhere near a PWillis type. While Mclain might be equivalent in athletic ability hes alot slower. Mclain just does not show that killer, nasty demenor that is needed to be a monster at the next level. Just jogs the around the field with no fire.

Hear hear.


McClain is not going to be a Willis type. He is not the same explosive athlete.

In my book, hes a bust waiting to happen.


No thanks.

When you cant get to the sidelines in college, you dang sure aint gonna get there in the NFL.

Hes as slow as a DE, and that will get EXPOSED when he steps up.

I posted in BF that he would get some illness at his pro day stopping him from workin out....


......and right on cue............bam.


No thanks.

I like the person, the leader, the heart.........but that alone doesnt make you a candidate for the pro bowl in the NFL.

Hartley
03-14-2010, 07:49 AM
I was thinking with McClain having Crohns disease it might effect him at Invesco with the thin air.Clark(Pitts) had some kind of problem adjusting to Denvers altitude. It may be risky drafting McClain playing in Denver.Thats why im thinking Brandan Graham swithing over,kind of like DJ Williams did may work out.


Altitude should not have any effect what so ever, but dont quote me on that I'm a nurse not a Doctor.

baja
03-14-2010, 08:09 AM
Crone's disease means he has a really bad diet and now does not pick up nutrients very well. probably has leaky gut syndrome as well and toxic blood as a result so he will not have good stamina. he could be fine with a good clean out a good probiotic and a strict diet. All the "medicine" in the world will not help, knowledge and discipline will.

Dedhed
03-14-2010, 10:01 AM
I like Graham,we need a LB to take the zone passing routes away, excellent in coverage,we havent had that in some time.The guy is a beast and is worth the pick at 11 .

Spikes and Weatherspoon are at least as good in coverage, and you it still doesn't make sense to convert a 4-3 DE to Mike when you can get a true Mike with equal talent.

I think Graham is a very good prospect, but I would much rather Spikes in round 2 than Graham at #11.

BroncoSexyDaddy
03-14-2010, 02:30 PM
Spikes and Weatherspoon are at least as good in coverage, and you it still doesn't make sense to convert a 4-3 DE to Mike when you can get a true Mike with equal talent.

I think Graham is a very good prospect, but I would much rather Spikes in round 2 than Graham at #11.
We only have doom as are only true pass rusher,we need another one on the other side.Kind of like Mathis and Freeney is with the Colts.Teams can never run out of good impact players on a team.A lot of these guys picked in the draft will be bust,but not Graham.