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UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 02:43 PM
JUST ANNOUNCED via Adam Schefter on 850 KOA.

Ironically that's what was on Wikipedia hours earlier.

Popps
03-09-2010, 02:43 PM
sweeeeeeet!!!!!!!

JimmyFocus
03-09-2010, 02:44 PM
just saw that on his twitter. Nice. Love this

Archer81
03-09-2010, 02:45 PM
Awesome.

I fully expect 185 posts dissecting the use of the word rotation.

:Broncos:

Bronco Rob
03-09-2010, 02:45 PM
Game over.........

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 02:45 PM
I'm just curious who made the Wikipedia post.

It literally said he was signed for 3 years... and this was HOURS ago. Then someone deleted it.

Florida_Bronco
03-09-2010, 02:45 PM
Yes!

prunch
03-09-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm thinking we are drafting O heavy

bfoflcommish
03-09-2010, 02:46 PM
http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/lombardi_trophy2.jpg

The Joker
03-09-2010, 02:46 PM
http://spotifyplaylists.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1684/alan_partridge.jpg

JURASSIC PARK!!

bowtown
03-09-2010, 02:46 PM
Terrible move. Where is Champ Bailey going to play now?

SonOfLe-loLang
03-09-2010, 02:46 PM
Perhaps these players will all be ****, but i love what we're doing in FA so far.

OOJack
03-09-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm just curious who made the Wikipedia post.

It literally said he was signed for 3 years... and this was HOURS ago. Then someone deleted it.

Williams

OOJack
03-09-2010, 02:47 PM
whats the status of his injury from last year, anyone know?

cutthemdown
03-09-2010, 02:47 PM
I'm just curious who made the Wikipedia post.

It literally said he was signed for 3 years... and this was HOURS ago. Then someone deleted it.

My guess would be someone affiliated with agent. Maybe one of the players family member or friends.

Dagmar
03-09-2010, 02:50 PM
http://spotifyplaylists.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1684/alan_partridge.jpg

JURASSIC PARK!!

Nice!

Back of the net!

BigPlayShay
03-09-2010, 02:51 PM
HOLY SH!T. A real D-Line????????

gunns
03-09-2010, 02:51 PM
I love this attention to D. I don't mind going heavy on O in the draft, but please do not take a WR in the first round and let's get some future D player.

Dagmar
03-09-2010, 02:51 PM
This guy is a safety right? Who's never started even some of the season? Bloody waste.

DenverBrit
03-09-2010, 02:51 PM
Nice FO work on the D line signings. :thumbsup:

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 02:52 PM
i am absolutely in love with this 1st week of our FA.

unlike years past where everyone knew the lines needed to be addressed, this current regime noticed that and is addressing it, and in a big way.

in terms of size and strength along our lines, we are narrowing the gap between us and SD and the top teams in the league.

The Joker
03-09-2010, 02:52 PM
Nice!

Back of the net!

Knowing me, McSchism.

Knowing you, Dagmar.

A-Ha.

Dagmar
03-09-2010, 02:52 PM
Just checked a NO board. Those guys are piiiissed!

Doggcow
03-09-2010, 02:53 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs!

Killericon
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
****.

Yes.

Cool Breeze
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
WOO HOO!
Keep em comin!
I'm excited to be a Bronco fan!

Mr.Meanie
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
Wow! This FA period is shaping up even better than last year. Incredible.

Dagmar
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
Knowing me, McSchism.

Knowing you, Dagmar.

A-Ha.

Kiss my face!

Jurassic Park!

:thumbs:

Archer81
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
HOLY ****. A real D-Line????????


Dont tempt me with false hope...


:Broncos:

Dudeskey
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
HOLY ****. A real D-Line????????

I'm a bit skeptical myself. He'll be 34 by the start of the season, hopefully he's got a couple years in the tank & Chris Baker pans out.

LonghornBronco
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
Well... We're bigger!

supermanhr9
03-09-2010, 02:54 PM
This is TITS! Hey maybe Wikipedia is a secret source for info?

Mr.Meanie
03-09-2010, 02:55 PM
I wonder if his agent updated wikipedia before the deal was finalized and got in trouble for it. Interesting!

crush17
03-09-2010, 02:57 PM
So stoked on this.

HEAV
03-09-2010, 02:58 PM
Filed to ESPN: After signing DE Jarvis Green earlier, Broncos agreed to a three-year deal with former San Diego DT Jamal Williams.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10241516143

Per Shefter so it's got's to be true!

bfoflcommish
03-09-2010, 02:59 PM
but but but mcd & staff but but but bad no nothing but but but driving team into ground but but but

BroncosSR
03-09-2010, 03:00 PM
Terrible move. Where is Champ Bailey going to play now?

Nice...

DenverBrit
03-09-2010, 03:00 PM
Some interesting SD fan responses to JW visiting Denver.


http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=78730

Florida_Bronco
03-09-2010, 03:01 PM
Just checked a NO board. Those guys are piiiissed!

Link us!

DomCasual
03-09-2010, 03:02 PM
Why are we getting a guy like Jamal Williams when we have Ryan Clady and Lonnie Paxton? So, does this mean that Lonnie Paxton is getting traded?

DenverBrit
03-09-2010, 03:02 PM
but but but mcd & staff but but but bad no nothing but but but driving team into ground but but but

That and no FA's would want to play for McPoopyPants.

This must be really pissing off the haters. !Hilarious!

Clockwork Orange
03-09-2010, 03:02 PM
Solid move. If they can get a couple of decent years out of him, it's a good signing. He's a clear upgrade over what was being run out there at NT last year, even with his advanced age.

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 03:04 PM
Some interesting SD fan responses to JW visiting Denver.


http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=78730

Yeah since he signed they're all saying he'll be on IR and he's not a true Charger.

Bandwagon fans like the vast amount of Charger fans have no loyalty towards people who helped their organization for over a decade. Their team kicked him on the street, this is what happens.

bfoflcommish
03-09-2010, 03:04 PM
That and no FA's would want to play for McPoopyPants.

This must be really pissing off the haters. !Hilarious!

yep.

DenverBrit
03-09-2010, 03:04 PM
Solid move. If they can get a couple of decent years out of him, it's a good signing. He's a clear upgrade over what was being run out there at NT last year, even with his advanced age.

After sitting out most of last season, his legs should be well rested.

Doggcow
03-09-2010, 03:04 PM
Some interesting SD fan responses to JW visiting Denver.


http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=78730

They're butthurt rofl

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 03:05 PM
After sitting out most of last season, his legs should be well rested.

The best part is that his injury was arm related, and apparently 100% now.

StugotsIII
03-09-2010, 03:08 PM
With all the attention on FA signing going to the defense...will the draft by heavy on offense?


I think so.

Taco John
03-09-2010, 03:08 PM
I like this move a lot. Though a three year contract has me raising an eyebrow. I wonder what the economic rationale behind a three year contract was. This whole labor thing strikes everything we thought we knew about this part of the game. It's a whole new world.

DenverBrit
03-09-2010, 03:08 PM
Yeah since he signed they're all saying he'll be on IR and he's not a true Charger.

Bandwagon fans like the vast amount of Charger fans have no loyalty towards people who helped an organization for over a decade.

I noticed the post signing comments. A nice contrast. :rofl:

Pony Boy
03-09-2010, 03:09 PM
Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy......... Now if can just score some mother-f-ing points on offence....

eddie mac
03-09-2010, 03:09 PM
This reminds me a little of the Neil Smith capture

BigPlayShay
03-09-2010, 03:09 PM
@shawnemerriman: Jamall Williams just signed with Denver...Dammit

prunch
03-09-2010, 03:09 PM
from the twitter

@shawnemerriman: Jamal Williams just signed with Denver…Dammit

DenverBrit
03-09-2010, 03:09 PM
The best part is that his injury was arm related, and apparently 100% now.

His beer arm I believe. ;D

Doggcow
03-09-2010, 03:10 PM
This reminds me a little of the Neil Smith capture

OH TELL ME ITS TRUE *prays to football gods*

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 03:10 PM
It looks like we're down to fixing up so O-Line at this point.

crush17
03-09-2010, 03:10 PM
Such a good signing if he stays healthy. Yaaaaa!!

StugotsIII
03-09-2010, 03:10 PM
McDaniels knows the importance of defense.


While he was the offensive coordinator for a record setting New England offense, it was their defense that won them 3 Super Bowls prior to losing to the Giants...who beat them with defense.

HAT
03-09-2010, 03:11 PM
I'm confused....Is this guy a DE or a linebacker?

:wiggle:

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 03:11 PM
from the twitter

@shawnemerriman: Jamal Williams just signed with Denver…Dammit

ROFL... that's a verified account. That's awesome.

Archer81
03-09-2010, 03:13 PM
I'm confused....Is this guy a DE or a linebacker?

:wiggle:


Clearly a WR...or maybe a KR.

:Broncos:

Dagmar
03-09-2010, 03:15 PM
I'm confused....Is this guy a DE or a linebacker?

:wiggle:

Punter you jackass.

long beach bronco
03-09-2010, 03:16 PM
Now that the Dfence is looking pretty good, I think McD's darkhorse pick for the first round is................................................ ........C J Spiller. I have this gut feeling.

crush17
03-09-2010, 03:17 PM
He's a K labled as a P!

Dudeskey
03-09-2010, 03:19 PM
I like this move a lot. Though a three year contract has me raising an eyebrow. I wonder what the economic rationale behind a three year contract was. This whole labor thing strikes everything we thought we knew about this part of the game. It's a whole new world.

I think age has a lot to do with the length of contract. He'll be 34 come late April.

baja
03-09-2010, 03:21 PM
This reminds me a little of the Neil Smith capture

Ya me too.

Doggcow
03-09-2010, 03:21 PM
He's under-weight to start at QB for Oakland....

Dukes
03-09-2010, 03:21 PM
Hell yes!

RunSilentRunDeep
03-09-2010, 03:25 PM
He'll get more carries than Hillis.

barryr
03-09-2010, 03:26 PM
If he's healthy, a very nice pickup.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 03:28 PM
What does this mean for Peyton Hillis?

Florida_Bronco
03-09-2010, 03:31 PM
What does this mean for Peyton Hillis?

He's lunchmeat? ???

:approve:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 03:32 PM
Okay, but what does this mean for Cutler?

illbroncsfn
03-09-2010, 03:33 PM
Very solid signing by the Broncos..... At this point in his career will be a rotational fit for us- which is perfect for our current needs.

Florida_Bronco
03-09-2010, 03:35 PM
Okay, but what does this mean for Cutler?

Hopefully the same thing it means for Hillis ;)

Rohirrim
03-09-2010, 03:38 PM
Hey! I wanted beef. We're getting some beef. Ha!

HILife
03-09-2010, 03:39 PM
JUST ANNOUNCED via Adam Schefter on 850 KOA.

Ironically that's what was on Wikipedia hours earlier.

http://www.esquire.com/media/cm/esquire/images/high-five-0808-lg-76258126.jpg

Doggcow
03-09-2010, 03:39 PM
Hey! I wanted beef. We're getting some beef. Ha!

I'd say we're bulking up... You can enjoy the beef as much as you want though...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 03:40 PM
What does this mean for Shanahan?

Oddly enough, if Shanahan was here, no way Jamal even comes to visit after the cheap shot we put on him back in the day.

crush17
03-09-2010, 03:42 PM
what happened with the "cheap shot" again? I remember something along those lines...

Taco John
03-09-2010, 03:42 PM
I think age has a lot to do with the length of contract. He'll be 34 come late April.

I think so too, but I'm used to seeing 5 year contracts (or more) regardless of age for the cap spreadibility of the bonus money - so it's a whole new ballgame here we're seeing.

barryr
03-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Broncos could still draft a NT high in the draft and not be forced to play the guy a ton to start out.

oubronco
03-09-2010, 03:43 PM
Draft Williams and we have a good rotation at NT

Clockwork Orange
03-09-2010, 03:43 PM
What does this mean for Shanahan?

Oddly enough, if Shanahan was here, no way Jamal even comes to visit after the cheap shot we put on him back in the day.

If memory serves, Shanahan apologized for that not long after it happened.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 03:45 PM
If memory serves, Shanahan apologized for that not long after it happened.

He did, but it was a week or so later if I remember correctly, and I think there was a lot of pressure from folks to do so.

/shrug

Chugger fans still bitch and moan about it though. Suckers.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 03:46 PM
what happened with the "cheap shot" again? I remember something along those lines...

It was an early season game and in the ZBS someone went low when he was engaged. Clear chop block, went right for his ankle, and big Jamal missed the remainder of the season. 13 games or something.

Clockwork Orange
03-09-2010, 03:47 PM
He and Herndon both apologized, actually.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/5978627

SAN DIEGO -- Denver Broncos guard Steve Herndon and coach Mike Shanahan apologized Wednesday to San Diego Chargers defensive tackle Jamal Williams, whose season was ended by a questionable hit by Herndon on Sunday.

Williams dislocated his left ankle and underwent surgery on Monday. He was put on the injured reserve list on Wednesday.

Shanahan also called Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer, who described Herndon's block as "disturbing."

The play occurred in the third quarter of San Diego's 30-27 overtime win, when Williams was hit from behind by Herndon as Williams chased Denver tailback Clinton Portis on a screen pass.

"His comment to me was, `Marty, I'm very, very sorry that it happened,"' Schottenheimer said.

"Steve was very upset," Shanahan told reporters in Denver. "Obviously he called Jamal and apologized. Those things do happen. It surely wasn't intentional, and he feels real bad about it, as does everybody.

"In fact, I called him myself and left him a message on his phone. Just told him how unfortunate it was and what a great player he was and sorry it did happen."

kmartin575
03-09-2010, 03:47 PM
HOLY ****. A real D-Line????????

You call adding 34 year old Williams and a couple of other scrubs a "real D-line"?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Florida_Bronco
03-09-2010, 03:49 PM
You call adding 34 year old Williams and a couple of other scrubs a "real D-line"?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

You've never been very smart, so I'm not surprised at this comment.

Clockwork Orange
03-09-2010, 03:50 PM
You call adding 34 year old Williams and a couple of other scrubs a "real D-line"?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

You're right, the Broncos should be paying top 5 pick money for a "real D-line." It's obviously been so successful for you guys. :welcome:

listopencil
03-09-2010, 03:50 PM
I love it.

DeusExManning
03-09-2010, 03:50 PM
I like it a lot.

DBroncos4life
03-09-2010, 03:51 PM
You call adding 34 year old Williams and a couple of other scrubs a "real D-line"?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl: at KC fans for having a knowledge about a "real D-line". That's about as logical as asking a gay guy about what a vagina feels like.

crush17
03-09-2010, 03:51 PM
You call adding 34 year old Williams and a couple of other scrubs a "real D-line"?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

How's Glen Dorsey working out for you guys?
Last I heard he was on the trading block.

broncos-rock
03-09-2010, 03:53 PM
3 years 16 million

Cool Breeze
03-09-2010, 03:54 PM
You're right, the Broncos should be paying top 5 pick money for a "real D-line." It's obviously been so successful for you guys. :welcome:

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 03:55 PM
Yeah, but what does this mean for Mark Gravey?

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 03:57 PM
I'm hoping Jamal Williams pulls a Pat Williams for us. Pat is 37 right now. He was pretty damn good at age 34.

Doggcow
03-09-2010, 03:58 PM
Yeah, but what does this mean for Mark Gravey?

I just love that his last name was Gravey

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 03:59 PM
I'm hoping Jamal Williams pulls a Pat Williams for us. Pat is 37 right now. He was pretty damn good at age 34.

Sounds like they're related, so... good genes.

:thanku:

WyoLaw
03-09-2010, 04:09 PM
Ex-Charger Jamal Williams now a Bronco (http://www.orangemane.com/blog/nflnation/post?id=19862)

March, 9, 2010 Mar 9
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By Bill Williamson


This move will likely hurt San Diego fans more than it will help the Denver Broncos.

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Williams
<!--END INLINE MUG-->Jamal Williams -- one of the great all-time Chargers -- is now a Denver Bronco. He just signed a three-year deal, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter. (http://twitter.com/ADAM_SCHEFTER)

The Chargers cut Williams last week because he was due a hefty bonus.

Continuing its focus on revamping the defensive line, Denver’s acquisition of Williams is intriguing. The 6-foot-3, 348-pound Williams was one of the game’s premier nose tackles. He was a great run-stuffer and anchor to a fine defense. Denver defensive line coach Wayne Nunnely is no stranger to Williams’ greatness. He coached him in San Diego.

Williams was known as a big-time Bronco killer. He ate up Denver’s small offensive linemen. The Denver line was usually effective using its zone blocking schemes, but Williams always had success against Denver.

Still, there are plenty of risks in this deal. Williams will turn 34 next month and he missed all but one game last season with a triceps injury. He has also had knee issues.

But if Denver uses Williams in a rotation and limits him 15 to 25 snaps a game he could be effective. Denver has also added defensive linemen Justin Bannan and Jarvis Green. With all of these additions, the Broncos likely will not be looking for defensive linemen in the early stages of the draft.

The Williams deal can help if he can stay healthy. Even if Williams’ better days are behind him, the sight of him in blue and orange will likely be crushing to San Diego fans.

want2bAbronco2
03-09-2010, 04:10 PM
3yrs, 16mil, 7gt. espn.com a little much for his age, but nothing horrible. We have really helped our dline a lot. Makes the draft much easier.

GoBroncos84
03-09-2010, 04:15 PM
3yrs, 16mil, 7gt. espn.com a little much for his age, but nothing horrible. We have really helped our dline a lot. Makes the draft much easier.

schefter reported that incentives could push the deal over 22 million. Pricey, but if his performance triggers those incentives then it works out for us, so hopefully he does hit them.

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 04:28 PM
How's Glen Dorsey working out for you guys?
Last I heard he was on the trading block.

Or Ryan Sims
Or that guy from the south pacific that was a total reach late in the first
he'll even when they get good DL... They trade him away.

Gcver2ver3
03-09-2010, 04:30 PM
i'd hope for more than the 15 snaps a game burger bill is projecting....

ludo21
03-09-2010, 04:34 PM
Iupati in round 1 now I forsee

Chris
03-09-2010, 04:36 PM
Knowing me, McSchism.

Knowing you, Dagmar.

A-Ha.

A-Ha A-Ha

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg288/TonyR1000/52608pw400.jpg

Broncosfreak_56
03-09-2010, 04:38 PM
Iupati in round 1 now I forsee

If we trade back to 17-23 for extra picks and get Iupati, that would be sex.

ZONA
03-09-2010, 04:43 PM
Good signing, if anything else, it keeps him from going back to the Chargers in a re-sign deal or anybody else in the AFC for that matter. He should help some, which is what I think we are looking for in all of these signings. A little upgrade here, and little there and over there and all of a sudden you have a substantial upgrade across the line overall.

Popps
03-09-2010, 04:51 PM
http://prod.static.chargers.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/photos/images/gameday/2008/game-photos-chargers-vs-fal/44583--nfl_large_590_Unlimited.jpg

http://baltimoresun.image2.trb.com/balnews/media/photo/2009-01/44319221.jpg

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2008/12/large_42cc295585fe45048e8c939c70ad5665.jpg



**** yea.


I love this staff.

BlaK-Argentina
03-09-2010, 04:56 PM
http://prod.static.chargers.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/photos/images/gameday/2008/game-photos-chargers-vs-fal/44583--nfl_large_590_Unlimited.jpg

http://baltimoresun.image2.trb.com/balnews/media/photo/2009-01/44319221.jpg

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2008/12/large_42cc295585fe45048e8c939c70ad5665.jpg



**** yea.


I love this staff.


Yeeeah! Now if we can trade Marshall for another 1st rounder I hope they keep improving those lines with young talent. Can't wait!

Drek
03-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Putting together a pretty versatile rotation of DE talent. Both Bannan and Green can play DE or NT, as can Ron Fields. That will make it much easier to carry a limited snaps guy like Williams and keep him at peak efficiency, especially when our passing downs NT is a guy like Green who put up 14 sacks combined in '06 and '07 when allowed to play an inside pass rusher role for the Pats.

I think McDaniels is sending as strong a message as we've seen from this organization in FA for a long time, and that message is that we will not tolerate getting pushed around at the LOS and dominated in the running game anymore.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:06 PM
Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy......... Now if can just score some mother-f-ing points on offence....

with some beef on the line and improvement in playing from the OL this offense goes up in production by at least a TD a game.

with a line opening holes for Moreno, Buck and whoever is our number 3 back, also giving Orton time to go through his reads and find his target without having to be rushed all the time, this offense will go from scoring 18 a game to at least 25 a game.

Tombstone RJ
03-09-2010, 05:07 PM
Excellent move by the Broncos front office. My only concern is his age and injuries. But if he can rotate in and stay healthy, I think the Broncos have to be very pleased with his acquisition.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:08 PM
Now that the Dfence is looking pretty good, I think McD's darkhorse pick for the first round is................................................ ........C J Spiller. I have this gut feeling.

i will literally scream so loud and pissed off at that pick that i will barf out my lungs.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:09 PM
He's under-weight to start at QB for Oakland....

Terrance Cody is underweight to be a QB in Oakland

go_broncos
03-09-2010, 05:12 PM
Very good signing.
will it matter when we don't have QB?

It's nice to acquire good player's on offense and defense.But, we have below average QB.
Not going to win many games with Kyle Orton as QB.

I will only be happy when we get a franchise QB.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:13 PM
He and Herndon both apologized, actually.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/5978627

SAN DIEGO -- Denver Broncos guard Steve Herndon and coach Mike Shanahan apologized Wednesday to San Diego Chargers defensive tackle Jamal Williams, whose season was ended by a questionable hit by Herndon on Sunday.

Williams dislocated his left ankle and underwent surgery on Monday. He was put on the injured reserve list on Wednesday.

Shanahan also called Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer, who described Herndon's block as "disturbing."

The play occurred in the third quarter of San Diego's 30-27 overtime win, when Williams was hit from behind by Herndon as Williams chased Denver tailback Clinton Portis on a screen pass.

"His comment to me was, `Marty, I'm very, very sorry that it happened,"' Schottenheimer said.

"Steve was very upset," Shanahan told reporters in Denver. "Obviously he called Jamal and apologized. Those things do happen. It surely wasn't intentional, and he feels real bad about it, as does everybody.

"In fact, I called him myself and left him a message on his phone. Just told him how unfortunate it was and what a great player he was and sorry it did happen."

thing that always pissed me off about that hit was not the hit itself or how cheap it was. for me it was the fact that we knocked out one of their best defenders and they still ****ing beat us.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:17 PM
schefter reported that incentives could push the deal over 22 million. Pricey, but if his performance triggers those incentives then it works out for us, so hopefully he does hit them.

i agree. if he is kicking enough ass to get all the possible coin out of his contract i am more than happy and I am sure Bowlen, McDaniels and the rest of the franchise will be happy to see that money spent if the production is there.

worm
03-09-2010, 05:24 PM
Yes! We win the pre-season Super Bowl! We win the pre-season Super Bowl!

Nice day of DL signings if they work..and given the FA market, you couldn't really ask for much more. That is not to say there isn't a lot of risk here though.

Hopefully we get some mojo working for us for a change and this polishes up real shiny and healthy for the season.

Still like going DL in the 1st.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-09-2010, 05:25 PM
i still like going DT with the first pick. McClain would be good too. Or Iupati if you can trade down a bit

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:28 PM
Very good signing.
will it matter when we don't have QB?

It's nice to acquire good player's on offense and defense.But, we have below average QB.
Not going to win many games with Kyle Orton as QB.

I will only be happy when we get a franchise QB.

below average would mean statistically there were at least 16 QBs better than Orton last season. according to stats, Orton was right around 11th in the league if all his stats were averaged out.

Yards-11th
Rating 14th
Comp - 11th
Attempts - 6th
PCT - 14th
TD - 15th
INTs- tied for 8th fewest

averaged out to right around 11th, meaning only guys like Manning, Rivers, Brees, Favre, Warner, Rothlesberger, Brady, Romo, Rodgers and McNabb were ahead of him.

he isn't pretty, but he is far from a below average QB. right now he is borderline Good and Average. with another year in this system and with adequate protection he can easily join the ranks of the good QBs and be a top 10 QB.

Drek
03-09-2010, 05:28 PM
Yes! We win the pre-season Super Bowl! We win the pre-season Super Bowl!

Nice day of DL signings if they work..and given the FA market, you couldn't really ask for much more. That is not to say there isn't a lot of risk here though.

Hopefully we get some mojo working for us for a change and this polishes up real shiny and healthy for the season.

Still like going DL in the 1st.

I think the Bears have all the pre-season titles sown up.

As for us, these guys are all solid starters or very good rotational player types. We can live with one or two of them not working out and still be a good DL thanks to all the depth this gives us. We also have a lot of role versatility.

A lot of good signings. McDaniels is also landing these guys for pretty close to market value for other similar tier DLs. Good sign that we aren't having to overpay to make things happen.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:30 PM
Yes! We win the pre-season Super Bowl! We win the pre-season Super Bowl!

Nice day of DL signings if they work..and given the FA market, you couldn't really ask for much more. That is not to say there isn't a lot of risk here though.

Hopefully we get some mojo working for us for a change and this polishes up real shiny and healthy for the season.

Still like going DL in the 1st.

agreed. draft like the Giants were a few seasons ago. 1st round pick on yet another DL. adding to their strength.

now lets bring in some guys to help in the interior of our OL and the rest of this offseason will be gravy

400HZ
03-09-2010, 05:30 PM
This move will likely hurt San Diego fans more than it will help the Denver Broncos.


I think this is likely the truth. Everyone in San Diego loved the guy, but business is business. Can't blame Jamal for wanting a paycheck. He had some unbelievable games in '05 and '06 almost single handedly shutting down run games. If he can regain that form then good for him.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:32 PM
I think the Bears have all the pre-season titles sown up.

As for us, these guys are all solid starters or very good rotational player types. We can live with one or two of them not working out and still be a good DL thanks to all the depth this gives us. We also have a lot of role versatility.

A lot of good signings. McDaniels is also landing these guys for pretty close to market value for other similar tier DLs. Good sign that we aren't having to overpay to make things happen.

yes the Bears win the

We Overpaid for Old Talent Award

as well as the

These Guys Will Never Live Up to the Guaranteed Money We Gave Them Award

congratulations to the Bears, now every give them a nice round of applause.

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WyoLaw
03-09-2010, 05:33 PM
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By Bill Williamson


We enlisted the help of Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. to breakdown the two big additions in the AFC West on Tuesday. Kansas City signed running back Thomas Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2138) and Denver signed former San Diego defensive tackle Jamal Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1643).

Williamson on Jones: “I love it. He is not an elite player, but he still has something left. I’ve been saying the Jets will regret letting him go. He is going to help the Chiefs. He really will help young running back Jamaal Charles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11307). The Chiefs don’t have a great line and they aren’t going to win the Super Bowl this year, so it doesn’t make sense to give Charles the ball 25 times. Now, he can be given the ball 15 times and extend his career and Jones can help carry the load. This move will also help Charles watch Jones and learn how to become a pro. Jones is a good blocker who understands the passing game. He will help Matt Cassel (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8644). This is a great move.”

Williamson on Williams: “This is hard to comment on if you’re not a doctor. I’m just not sure how much he has left. He dealt with the triceps injury and he had knee injuries before that. Before he was lost for the season last year, I wasn’t really impressed. But who knows how much he was hurting. I wouldn’t be surprised if come training camp his body broke down and he had to retire. But if he does have something left, it is a very limited amount. I do like what Denver did at end with Jarvis Green (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3654) and Justin Bannan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3667). I really like Bannan. He is versatile and he can help any team. Even if Williams is banged up, the front three of Green, Bannan and Williams is better than what the Broncos had last year.”

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 05:34 PM
Iupati in round 1 now I forsee

works for me. Pair him with Clady and that left side of the line is set and dominant for the next decade at least

GoBroncos84
03-09-2010, 05:34 PM
Very good signing.
will it matter when we don't have QB?

It's nice to acquire good player's on offense and defense.But, we have below average QB.
Not going to win many games with Kyle Orton as QB.

I will only be happy when we get a franchise QB.

Although I am not advocating this, I would prefer to trade down in the first, these signing do give some flexibility so if either Clausen or Bradford falls a little Denver could have the option of moving up to go get them. Again, I am not saying I want that to happen. But if the team feels QB is the top priority going into the draft, that would be an option.

Drek
03-09-2010, 05:36 PM
I think this is likely the truth. Everyone in San Diego loved the guy, but business is business. Can't blame Jamal for wanting a paycheck. He had some unbelievable games in '05 and '06 almost single handedly shutting down run games. If he can regain that form then good for him.

I think the signings of Bannan, Green, and retention of Fields shows that the Broncos aren't looking for Williams to be the '05/'06 player.

All they need out of him is about 20 snaps a game of good run stuffing play. Anything more than that is gravy. Once he gives those 20 plays a game he can rest on the bench while we rotate Bannan, Green, Fields, etc. through at NT.

Signing Williams is all about winning the battle at the LOS on first down. If he can give us that we'll be able to pull him out and still dictate how the next couple downs will go. That puts the defense, especially our secondary and pass rushers like Doom, in an ideal position to make plays.

TonyR
03-09-2010, 05:42 PM
Even if Williams is banged up, the front three of Green, Bannan and Williams is better than what the Broncos had last year.

I left the most important part of your post (Matt Williamson's comments) intact.

tsiguy96
03-09-2010, 05:45 PM
youre either getting better or getting worse. we are getting way, way better. even if these guys dont perform like all stars, we have upgraded purely because of increased depth on the dline, which broke down last year.

_Oro_
03-09-2010, 05:49 PM
wiki never lies!!!!!

Br0nc0Buster
03-09-2010, 06:01 PM
We need Williams to command some double teams on running downs

Both him and Bannon should really help the run D
It looks like we just replaced Holliday with Green, but I would like to see us sign him again as well

Archer81
03-09-2010, 06:05 PM
Very good signing.
will it matter when we don't have QB?

It's nice to acquire good player's on offense and defense.But, we have below average QB.
Not going to win many games with Kyle Orton as QB.

I will only be happy when we get a franchise QB.


OH NOES...WHATEVER WILL WE DO WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK?...


:Broncos:

Atwater His Ass
03-09-2010, 06:11 PM
So we signed 3 31+ year old defensive lineman and one who missed all of last year with injury issues.

I mean ok, but we've been down this road before and have all seen the "results", which have been less than satisfactory.

tsiguy96
03-09-2010, 06:15 PM
So we signed 3 31+ year old defensive lineman and one who missed all of last year with injury issues.

I mean ok, but we've been down this road before and have all seen the "results", which have been less than satisfactory.

you must have a lot of joy in your life.

be happy

Br0nc0Buster
03-09-2010, 06:15 PM
So we signed 3 31+ year old defensive lineman and one who missed all of last year with injury issues.

I mean ok, but we've been down this road before and have all seen the "results", which have been less than satisfactory.

that was with Shanny
Josh struck gold last offseason with FAs
Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with these guys

snowspot66
03-09-2010, 06:18 PM
So we signed 3 31+ year old defensive lineman and one who missed all of last year with injury issues.

I mean ok, but we've been down this road before and have all seen the "results", which have been less than satisfactory.

Shanahan did that over the course of his entire time here. McDaniels has a lot of holes that need fixing. What other options do we have?

baja
03-09-2010, 06:19 PM
below average would mean statistically there were at least 16 QBs better than Orton last season. according to stats, Orton was right around 11th in the league if all his stats were averaged out.

Yards-11th
Rating 14th
Comp - 11th
Attempts - 6th
PCT - 14th
TD - 15th
INTs- tied for 8th fewest

averaged out to right around 11th, meaning only guys like Manning, Rivers, Brees, Favre, Warner, Rothlesberger, Brady, Romo, Rodgers and McNabb were ahead of him.

he isn't pretty, but he is far from a below average QB. right now he is borderline Good and Average. with another year in this system and with adequate protection he can easily join the ranks of the good QBs and be a top 10 QB.

Good job at making your case B man

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 06:24 PM
I think this is likely the truth. Everyone in San Diego loved the guy, but business is business. Can't blame Jamal for wanting a paycheck. He had some unbelievable games in '05 and '06 almost single handedly shutting down run games. If he can regain that form then good for him.

You'd think that would be the case. But the consensus I've read on their forums is A. go **** yourself Jwall and B. I hope his knees buckle underneath him. Typically classy stuff.

UberBroncoMan
03-09-2010, 06:25 PM
you must have a lot of joy in your life.

be happy

He's probably remembering...

http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/86b7cacff0c5f219d6d92187210a6496/NFL-JAGUARS-BRONCOS.jpg

DBroncos4life
03-09-2010, 06:48 PM
I hope not getting Williams back makes the Chargers pick Terrence Cody in the first round.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 06:58 PM
I hope not getting Williams back makes the Chargers pick Terrence Cody in the first round.

i don't. i know he has potential weight issues and is only a 2 down NT, but the guy can be flat our dominant.

Atwater His Ass
03-09-2010, 07:01 PM
Shanahan did that over the course of his entire time here. McDaniels has a lot of holes that need fixing. What other options do we have?

Didn't say they weren't needed or were bad signings.

But the reaction around here like we just signed top tier DL talent is more than amusing.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 07:05 PM
Didn't say they weren't needed or were bad signings.

But the reaction around here like we just signed top tier DL talent is more than amusing.

true this isn't like we signed Ngata or something, but when compared with the guys who have made up our DL for the last several years, these signings are like hitting the lottery.

BroncoInferno
03-09-2010, 07:11 PM
Didn't say they weren't needed or were bad signings.

But the reaction around here like we just signed top tier DL talent is more than amusing.

Who said we'd signed top tier talent? I think everyone is just happy to see us addressing the DL with guys who aren't has-beens or never-weres the way we did under Shanny. The old guys Shanny would bring in would be washed up (e.g. Leon Lett, Simeon Rice, Chester McGlockton, etc). Green and Branan are still good players--even if not top tier. Williams is more of a gamble with his injuries, but even if he doesn't pan out our DL already looks better than it did at the end of the season, and we still have the rest of the FA and draft to improve it further. I think most are just excited to see the issue is being taken seriously for a change and we've stopped with the old approach of throwing trash against wall to see what sticks.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 07:18 PM
He's probably remembering...

http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/86b7cacff0c5f219d6d92187210a6496/NFL-JAGUARS-BRONCOS.jpg

/vomit

Play2win
03-09-2010, 07:30 PM
This is absolutely HUGE, literally...

gtown
03-09-2010, 07:31 PM
Yes!! Finally some big uglies and some depth on the D-Line. We got killed last year in the second half because none of our DL had ever been full time starters. This should help.

Now get McClain.

ol number 7
03-09-2010, 07:36 PM
Broncos could still draft a NT high in the draft and not be forced to play the guy a ton to start out.

Trade for Jamarcus and we can use him to spell Jamal. His big lard azz is made for a nose tackle

Requiem
03-09-2010, 07:37 PM
Anyone know the contract details?

DBroncos4life
03-09-2010, 07:44 PM
Anyone know the contract details?

Adam_Schefter
DT Jamal Williams done in Denver: 3 years, $16 million, including $7 milliion gtd, with a max value to deal over $22 million.

Kaylore
03-09-2010, 08:12 PM
Huzzah for upgrading our D-line!

We now have a good nucleus of players to build on up front and the draft is on it's way!

Paladin
03-09-2010, 08:16 PM
I agree with McClain.

extralife
03-09-2010, 08:20 PM
we're kinda giving out a lot of cash for these guys. I guess I don't really care about that so much though

baja
03-09-2010, 08:22 PM
Huzzah for upgrading our D-line!

We now have a good nucleus of players to build on up front and the draft is on it's way!

There it is in a nut shell.

1+

long beach bronco
03-09-2010, 08:31 PM
If Marshall goes, we need some playmakers on offense. This defense looks good for 2010, now we need to concentrate on moving the chains. A real good KR in Denver would be awesome. Royal needs to concentrate on WR. IF we get 2 picks in the first round, I would select a guard and CJ Spiller who is an excellent KR and Lighting quick runner.

Borks147
03-09-2010, 08:34 PM
If Marshall goes, we need some playmakers on offense. This defense looks good for 2010, now we need to concentrate on moving the chains. A real good KR in Denver would be awesome. Royal needs to concentrate on WR. IF we get 2 picks in the first round, I would select a guard and CJ Spiller who is an excellent KR and Lighting quick runner.

we do not need to spend a 1st rounder on a kick returner. even devin hester was a mid-2nd round pick

Borks147
03-09-2010, 08:35 PM
also - its not the Broncos' fault that the last two guys drafted in the 2nd round to become kick returners turned out to actually be decent at their drafted positions.

bpc
03-09-2010, 08:35 PM
Well, if we can get the J Williams of two years ago, i'll feel pretty good about this move. I don't know what to make of the Jarvis Green signing. Solid player. I still feel like we are chalk full of rotational players, not a stud among our defensive linemen. Williams could make a difference, if healthy.

Xenos
03-09-2010, 08:41 PM
Great guy. I'm honestly sad that he left. If you guys can get a solid rotation for him, he should be good for at least another year. What happened to him last year was a freak accident. Though I suppose that was a blessing in disguise since we had to learn to live without him for a year.

Caveat Lector
03-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Well, if we can get the J Williams of two years ago, i'll feel pretty good about this move. I don't know what to make of the Jarvis Green signing. Solid player. I still feel like we are chalk full of rotational players, not a stud among our defensive linemen. Williams could make a difference, if healthy.

I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact that we're not going to get that. He'll be good in rotation with Ronny Fields, that's about it...

Here's what Daniel Jeremiah (ex-Ravens/Browns scout) said about our D-line moves...

MoveTheSticks RT @tomatoworms: you know Bannan, with he 'n Green and Jamal, how'd Denver do?> don't know what Jamal has left but I like the other 2

Florida_Bronco
03-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Well, if we can get the J Williams of two years ago, i'll feel pretty good about this move. I don't know what to make of the Jarvis Green signing. Solid player. I still feel like we are chalk full of rotational players, not a stud among our defensive linemen. Williams could make a difference, if healthy.

We need make our D-line respectable again, and that has to happen before we can make it elite.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 09:11 PM
also - its not the Broncos' fault that the last two guys drafted in the 2nd round to become kick returners turned out to actually be decent at their drafted positions.

i have always found that interesting that the last 2 guys we drafted primarily to be return men ended up being starters their rookie seasons.

anytime we need to draft a skill position player from now on we should target the guys who we see as good return men candidates.

JJJ
03-09-2010, 09:23 PM
If he stays healthly you will love this guy. He has the internal motor to play late into his career.

Greatest line from Jamal was when a reporter caught him eating some pizza and he asked him how many slices he can eat. Jamal's response was "Slices?"

DBroncos4life
03-09-2010, 09:28 PM
I'd love to see Mike Iupati in the first even at 11, then one of Mardy Gilyard, Dexter McCluster, or Jahvid Best (should best slip) in the second round. Either one of those guys would help the return game. Then find a MLB like Jamar Chaney and Pat Angerer in later rounds.

Mediator12
03-09-2010, 09:35 PM
Well, if we can get the J Williams of two years ago, i'll feel pretty good about this move. I don't know what to make of the Jarvis Green signing. Solid player. I still feel like we are chalk full of rotational players, not a stud among our defensive linemen. Williams could make a difference, if healthy.

I feel like we improved a really desperate position with adequate NFL starters after not really having one on the entire DL last year. Jamal is no longer a top 10 DT, but if he can be a top 10 NT then DEN hit the Jackpot.

Bannan and Green are proven players who grade out much higher than anyone on DEN's DL did last year. Neither are more than solid starters at best, but it sure beats what DEN rolled out there last year. Putting the former guys as Backups and the DL also has quality depth for maybe the first time since 2003. And most important, it fosters competition at a spot that has had none forever. All the 3 new guys and all three former starters want to be starters and get paid like it. Now, they have to earn their snaps. Yes, they have to earn them and not just get them handed to them for surviving TC.

400HZ
03-09-2010, 09:43 PM
I'd love to see Mike Iupati in the first even at 11, then one of Mardy Gilyard, Dexter McCluster, or Jahvid Best (should best slip) in the second round. Either one of those guys would help the return game. Then find a MLB like Jamar Chaney and Pat Angerer in later rounds.

That would be awesome. LOL

Hulamau
03-09-2010, 11:08 PM
Ya me too.

The thing that all these signings show is that Josh wants to win NOW and take full advantage of the current defense, meeting the concerns also of Champ, Dawkins the the rest of the strong secondary and LB corp to shore up the D line so they can put it together for an entire season.

We will see a major improvement in all around team defense this year, not only from the much stronger and deeper Dline where guys like McBean, Peterson and Fields will hold their own just fine in more of a rotation back up roll now. But also with Doom and Ayers in their second year as well as the rest of the team, and having a more agreesive Wink guiding the same scheme philosophy they used last year ... something we havent had in a long time ... continuity. The best parts of our D last year will now become consistent for the year.


We still need a vetern center in FA another big guard and maybe another WR (depending on the Marshall situation), possibly an extra RB too. On the wish list in the draft is a solid haul from top to bottom, picking two each promising young guys for the DL and OL - a 3-4 ready DE and a NT to groom behind the new vets (unless the coaches are confident Baker is ready for a big step up at NT), a good center and a guard/tackle, ... another young QB for Josh to coach up and press Orton & Brandstater, another WR, an interior LB and one more Safety/CB to build depth and for the future and we'll be in more than decent shape all around.

Ziggy
03-09-2010, 11:17 PM
Center has become the #1 need for the Broncos now. McD can't be thinking that he can bring a rookie in here to start and do well, does he? Time for a Hadnot, Mawae, or Fraley signing.

strafen
03-09-2010, 11:26 PM
Center has become the #1 need for the Broncos now. McD can't be thinking that he can bring a rookie in here to start and do well, does he? Time for a Hadnot, Mawae, or Fraley signing.Yeah, and we released Wiegmann, did we not?

McDaniels is so desperate right now, to make sure our defense in 2010 suspasses Nolan's 2009 defense, or he'll never hear the end of it.
That's why he's so into defensive players right now.

Same pattern we saw last year with Moreno.
He took a RB with our first pick instead of a defensive player, and all year-long, he tried to prove he made the right choice.

I know a lot of McDaniels followers here don't take those things I say well, but hey, prove me otherwise...I must be a hater! ;)

Popps
03-09-2010, 11:35 PM
The thing that all these signings show is that Josh wants to win NOW and take full advantage of the current defense, meeting the concerns also of Champ, Dawkins the the rest of the strong secondary and LB corp to shore up the D line so they can put it together for an entire season.

We will see a major improvement in all around team defense this year, not only from the much stronger and deeper Dline where guys like McBean, Peterson and Fields will hold their own just fine in more of a rotation back up roll now. But also with Doom and Ayers in their second year as well as the rest of the team, and having a more agreesive Wink guiding the same scheme philosophy they used last year ... something we havent had in a long time ... continuity. The best parts of our D last year will now become consistent for the year.


We still need a vetern center in FA another big guard and maybe another WR (depending on the Marshall situation), possibly an extra RB too. ON on the wish list in the draft is a solid haul from top to bottom, picking two each promising young guys for the DL and OL - a 3-4 ready DE and a NT to groom behind the new vets (unless the coaches are confident Baker is ready for a big step up at NT), a good center and a guard/tackle, ... another young QB for Josh to coach up and press Orton & Brandstater, another WR, an interior LB and one more Safety/CB to build depth and for the future and we'll be in more than decent shape all around.

Nice post, H.

These are tent-post signings, and maybe more. We had a great FA period last year, and we saw big improvements in areas like special teams, which I think a lot of people took for granted.

Now we're adding depth, experience and imo... more talent to a few key spots, and I don't even think we've hit our free agency-stride yet. I have the feeling we've got a couple more mid-scale moves coming.... maybe O-line related.

Then of course, we add more pieces in April.

Given, there's big questions with Marshall and his production, but I like our staff's ability to make acquisitions thus far.

We're a solid 8-8 team with a ton of upside. These moves look stealthily effective. Stoked to see where things go from here...

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 11:50 PM
Yeah, and we released Wiegmann, did we not?

McDaniels is so desperate right now, to make sure our defense in 2010 suspasses Nolan's 2009 defense, or he'll never hear the end of it.
That's why he's so into defensive players right now.

Same pattern we saw last year with Moreno.
He took a RB with our first pick instead of a defensive player, and all year-long, he tried to prove he made the right choice.

I know a lot of McDaniels followers here don't take those things I say well, but hey, prove me otherwise...I must be a hater! ;)

yeah Moreno playing last season had nothing to do with him being the best rookie RB in the league, it was all because McDaniels was trying to save face on the pick.

the way you speak he was trying to save face by playing the guy since he was a 1st round pick, yet he didn't care enough to save face by forcing Ayers onto the field when he was still learning and not doing much on the field or forcing Smith onto the field when depth was needed instead relying on an UDFA and a FA off the streets to come in and do better than he was. you can hate on the guy all you want, but he doesn't give a rats fuzzy ass what you, I or anyone else thinks.

if he wanted to save face Ayers would have been our starting SOLB, and Smith would have at worst been out starting Nickle corner. yet they weren't

you really need to think before you post these retarded hate threads.

and once again since you can't seem to get it through your head, Nolan left of his own free will. McDaniels did not force him out of Denver, in fact he tried to keep him in Denver, it wasn't until Nolan requested to leave that he was allowed to sign with Miami.

Hulamau
03-09-2010, 11:50 PM
Yeah, and we released Wiegmann, did we not?

McDaniels is so desperate right now, to make sure our defense in 2010 suspasses Nolan's 2009 defense, or he'll never hear the end of it.
That's why he's so into defensive players right now.

Same pattern we saw last year with Moreno.
He took a RB with our first pick instead of a defensive player, and all year-long, he tried to prove he made the right choice.

I know a lot of McDaniels followers here don't take those things I say well, but hey, prove me otherwise...I must be a hater! ;)

No, just a numbskull. Whether Nolan was still here or not, we needed a major infusion of talent on the Dline and with the age of our solid secondary, we could not afford the time to do it 'soley' through the draft. That is why you see three DL signings in the first week. Just like he had to shore up the secondary last year. You can't rebuild an entire defense in one year!

I suspect that Josh knows a litttle more about what he needs in a center than anyone on this board, so why not hold your water a bit before jumping to such a weak and ridiculous conclusion about 'motives' for why Josh is shoring up the Dline?

Josh is doing what he is doing because he wants to WIN period. And a real overhaul of the Dline was ignored for years before he got here. It has ZIPPO to do with showing up Nolan while ignoring the Oline!

Turn down the Spin-cycle on that brain of yours!

SoCalBronco
03-09-2010, 11:53 PM
Williams is a good short-term acquisition if he can stay healthy. I don't expect more than 2 years out of him, but at least that gives the staff some time to formulate a long term plan at NT and acquire talent accordingly. At least they don't have to devote the first pick to that spot...although I would not absolutely oppose that if the right NT fell into their laps. It's a good bridge signing and its only a 3 year deal so we're not tied to him if things go poorly. Should the cap be re-instituted, it seems we would be alright since we were so far under the projected limits anyway. It's a good short term acquisition. Props to the FO and staff.

I really would have preferred Dwan Edwards to Green, though. I think they may have slightly overpaid there, too. At least they are bringing in some credible competition for Peterson and Holliday with Green and Bannan, so that's a step in the right direction, even if its only incremental improvement.

BroncoMan4ever
03-09-2010, 11:56 PM
Williams is a good short-term acquisition if he can stay healthy. I don't expect more than 2 years out of him, but at least that gives the staff some time to formulate a long term plan at NT and acquire talent accordingly. At least they don't have to devote the first pick to that spot...although I would not absolutely oppose that if the right NT fell into their laps. It's a good bridge signing and its only a 3 year deal so we're not tied to him if things go poorly. Should the cap be re-instituted, it seems we would be alright since we were so far under the projected limits anyway. It's a good short term acquisition. Props to the FO and staff.

I really would have preferred Dwan Edwards to Green, though. I think they may have somewhat overpaid there, too. At least they are bringing in some credible competition for Peterson and Holliday with Green and Bannan.

is it for certain we have totally abandoned the possibility of Edwards since we signed Green and Bannan? i mean this team is being setup to run a rotation on the line, i can't see why we wouldn't be interested in bringing in another good guy to plug into the rotation

strafen
03-09-2010, 11:59 PM
No, just a numbskull. Whether Nolan was still here or not, we needed a major infusion of talent on the Dline and with the age of our solid secondary, we could not afford the time to do it 'soley' through the draft. That is why you see three DL signings in the first week. Just like he had to shore up the secondary last year. You can't rebuild an entire defense in one year!

I suspect that Josh knows a litttle more about what he needs in a center than anyone on this board, so why not hold your water a bit before jumping to such a weak and ridiculous conclusion about 'motives' for why Josh is shoring up the Dline?

Josh is doing what he is doing because he wants to WIN period. And a real overhaul of the Dline was ignored for years before he got here. It has ZIPPO to do with showing up Nolan while ignoring the Oline!

Turn down the Spin-cycle on that brain of yours!I didn't say those moves wouldn't benefit our team, did I?
I didn't say those moves were awful, did I?
I was expecting a brilliant guy like you to point that out.
All I'm saying the guy is desperate to make a point, for better or for worse, but he's highly motivated to make this defense to work better than Nolan's did last year. And you know damn well that if our defense sucks this year, McD will never hear the end of it, will he?
Thought you were smart enough to see that.

Of course he wants to win, and so do I. But you know that at the end of the day, if this defense fails, nobody will be saying, yeah, McDaniels wanted to win. No, that's NOT what people will be saying.
That's what will prove my point.
It's a good thing, and we all hope it will work out.

outdoor_miner
03-10-2010, 12:06 AM
You are right. If Nolan were here, he probably would have sat still with the defensive line we had last year. No upgrades. Hey - why upgrade one of the weakest positions on the team?

He's doing the exact same thing he did with the secondary last year. If you paid attention, it was clear that Nolan and McD identified the secondary as the weakest link on the team last year. 4 FA acquisitions and 3 draft picks. Do you think they thought it sucked? And if you listened to Nolan, he talked about how he liked to have an experienced secondary to cover for an inexperienced Front 7.

Now - this year, it is clear that McD is focusing on the Front 3. Any one of us could have said that was the weakest link on the D at the end of the year. But hey - he's only improving it to spite Nolan, right?

strafen
03-10-2010, 12:13 AM
You are right. If Nolan were here, he probably would have sat still with the defensive line we had last year. No upgrades. Hey - why upgrade one of the weakest positions on the team?

He's doing the exact same thing he did with the secondary last year. If you paid attention, it was clear that Nolan and McD identified the secondary as the weakest link on the team last year. 4 FA acquisitions and 3 draft picks. Do you think they thought it sucked? And if you listened to Nolan, he talked about how he liked to have an experienced secondary to cover for an inexperienced Front 7.

Now - this year, it is clear that McD is focusing on the Front 3. Any one of us could have said that was the weakest link on the D at the end of the year. But hey - he's only improving it to spite Nolan, right?Let me dumb it down for you a little...

McDaniels can not afford for this defense to fail.
It's all good he's doing what he's doing. I'm all for that.
More power to us. Definitely.
I just want you to imagine what would the first thing Mcdaniels be criticized for should this defense flop?
I just want you to be smart and answer that question.
Tell me if Mcdaniels doesn't know that, or you think he's that dumb.

Of course the bar is set for him going onto this season. Don't you think?
Again, if the result of this is a much better defense than last year, then we'd all win...

outdoor_miner
03-10-2010, 12:16 AM
PS - Don't you think the offense last year was an embarrassment to him? I mean - he is supposed to be an "offensive guru", and the offense certainly was not top notch. If the guy is going on "pride" here, don't you think he'd be trying to create the best offense possible to make him look like a genius?

In reality - teams have a certain amount of $ they can spend each year. They are competing with 31 other teams in the league to improve. McD knows that he needs to win. He is going to put his $ where he thinks he can best improve the team. The guy is probably already feeling his seat getting a little warm with all the discontent in Denver, and he is not going to spend time making signing based on PRIDE. He just needs to win, and he knows it.

outdoor_miner
03-10-2010, 12:17 AM
I wrote my response before I saw yours, but I think it addresses your point. :)

outdoor_miner
03-10-2010, 12:19 AM
The dude has been criticized mercilessly since he's been here. Yes, if the D flops, he will be called out for letting Nolan go. But - what do you think he's going to hear if the O does not improve. The reality is he's the NFL coach of an 8-8 team, which isn't good enough. I am sure he is focused on winning however he can.

SoCalBronco
03-10-2010, 12:29 AM
is it for certain we have totally abandoned the possibility of Edwards since we signed Green and Bannan? i mean this team is being setup to run a rotation on the line, i can't see why we wouldn't be interested in bringing in another good guy to plug into the rotation

That's a fair point...its still a possibility, I suppose...although I suspect it is unlikely they would make another moderate FA investment in yet another a short term rotation player on the DL. I think its more likely they would add to the rotation with a young player in the mid rounds of the draft, as they don't want to face a scenario where they have nothing but short term options at DL. You've got to have something to groom there to take over in the near future.

strafen
03-10-2010, 12:34 AM
The dude has been criticized mercilessly since he's been here. Yes, if the D flops, he will be called out for letting Nolan go. But - what do you think he's going to hear if the O does not improve. The reality is he's the NFL coach of an 8-8 team, which isn't good enough. I am sure he is focused on winning however he can.I expect McDaniels to make strides with the offense this year.
Perhaps he's going to address some of the issues thru the trade.
And yes, he's heard it all about the offense last year.
He has admitted he's made some mistakes and that's good to me.
He recognized he should've given playing time to some key players.
One of his critical moves or lack thereof was feeding the ball to Moreno no matter what, no matter the situation. That backfired on him big.

McDaniels is confident he can work with the offense, but his biggest fish right now is the defense. The offense needs a lot of work too, no question.

Look, I'm not hammering the guy for making improvements on our defense. This is what you guys want to argue with me. I'm all for what he's doing.
I'm not saying is a bad thing.
All I'm saying he's feeling the pressure of putting together a great defense, NOT good, a GREAT defense as that's how he will be graded. There's no escape to that.
If he does well, he will have accomplished a great defense for us, and at the same time dodge the imminent Nolan's comparison.
It's that simple, guys...

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 01:28 AM
I expect McDaniels to make strides with the offense this year.
Perhaps he's going to address some of the issues thru the trade.
And yes, he's heard it all about the offense last year.
He has admitted he's made some mistakes and that's good to me.
He recognized he should've given playing time to some key players.
One of his critical moves or lack thereof was feeding the ball to Moreno no matter what, no matter the situation. That backfired on him big.

McDaniels is confident he can work with the offense, but his biggest fish right now is the defense. The offense needs a lot of work too, no question.

Look, I'm not hammering the guy for making improvements on our defense. This is what you guys want to argue with me. I'm all for what he's doing.
I'm not saying is a bad thing.
All I'm saying he's feeling the pressure of putting together a great defense, NOT good, a GREAT defense as that's how he will be graded. There's no escape to that.
If he does well, he will have accomplished a great defense for us, and at the same time dodge the imminent Nolan's comparison.
It's that simple, guys...

i am still struggling to see where Nolan fits into this ****ed up way you're thinking. Did McDaniels fire Nolan? Did McDaniels make a trade with the Dolphins to get them to take Nolan off his hands? No he didn't do anything like that, in fact when the Dolphins first called regarding Nolan he basically told them to **** off. It wasn't until a few days later that for whatever reasons be it personality clash or Nolan's desire to work in Miami, that NOLAN asked to be let go so he could coach there.

so in what way is anything McDaniels fault? why should he have to worry about living up to a certain standard simply because of Nolan. as a HC his job is to make a team better, and yet you post and make it sound like, had Nolan remained none of these guys would have been brought in to make the line better, that the only reason McDaniels brought in experienced good 3-4 linemen was because he wants to save face.

he brought in these guys to make the weakest part of our defense better. Same as he did last season when he brought in 7 guys for the secondary before TC began.

he sees the weaknesses on the team and gos out and gets guys to correct those weaknesses.

it won't be long before he adds some beef to the OL, but when that happens will it in your mind be because he is trying to save face because Dennison is in Houston of his own free will now, or will that be because of the real reason, he is fixing the teams weaknesses?

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 01:30 AM
That's a fair point...its still a possibility, I suppose...although I suspect it is unlikely they would make another moderate FA investment in yet another a short term rotation player on the DL. I think its more likely they would add to the rotation with a young player in the mid rounds of the draft, as they don't want to face a scenario where they have nothing but short term options at DL. You've got to have something to groom there to take over in the near future.

good point about the likely length of time these guys will have in Denver. better to have some older vets for a stop gap while having young draftees learning behind them prepping to take over instead of getting to the situation in 2 years of who do we get to replace these old guys.

with that said, i do hope we bring back Holliday.

cutthemdown
03-10-2010, 02:57 AM
Putting together a pretty versatile rotation of DE talent. Both Bannan and Green can play DE or NT, as can Ron Fields. That will make it much easier to carry a limited snaps guy like Williams and keep him at peak efficiency, especially when our passing downs NT is a guy like Green who put up 14 sacks combined in '06 and '07 when allowed to play an inside pass rusher role for the Pats.

I think McDaniels is sending as strong a message as we've seen from this organization in FA for a long time, and that message is that we will not tolerate getting pushed around at the LOS and dominated in the running game anymore.

Happiest player in Denver right now is DJ Williams. This gives him a chance for a big yr if he plays all 16 games.

Bronco Yoda
03-10-2010, 03:04 AM
I likey

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 03:12 AM
Happiest player in Denver right now is DJ Williams. This gives him a chance for a big yr if he plays all 16 games.

agreed. a nice strong line keeping OL off of the LBs and freeing him up to just make plays suits him perfectly. he is a good tackler and decent playmaker, but he needs things simplified to be at his best and with a big line allowing him to read and react is just what he needs.

LongDongJohnson
03-10-2010, 03:34 AM
I expect McDaniels to make strides with the offense this year.
Perhaps he's going to address some of the issues thru the trade.
And yes, he's heard it all about the offense last year.
He has admitted he's made some mistakes and that's good to me.
He recognized he should've given playing time to some key players.
One of his critical moves or lack thereof was feeding the ball to Moreno no matter what, no matter the situation. That backfired on him big.

McDaniels is confident he can work with the offense, but his biggest fish right now is the defense. The offense needs a lot of work too, no question.

Look, I'm not hammering the guy for making improvements on our defense. This is what you guys want to argue with me. I'm all for what he's doing.
I'm not saying is a bad thing.
All I'm saying he's feeling the pressure of putting together a great defense, NOT good, a GREAT defense as that's how he will be graded. There's no escape to that.
If he does well, he will have accomplished a great defense for us, and at the same time dodge the imminent Nolan's comparison.
It's that simple, guys...

Nolan? who gives a **** about nolan. i know mcdaniels doesnt. nolan is history.

Drek
03-10-2010, 03:39 AM
That's a fair point...its still a possibility, I suppose...although I suspect it is unlikely they would make another moderate FA investment in yet another a short term rotation player on the DL. I think its more likely they would add to the rotation with a young player in the mid rounds of the draft, as they don't want to face a scenario where they have nothing but short term options at DL. You've got to have something to groom there to take over in the near future.

I'd agree on drafting some youth, but then that was our MO last off-season. Signed three new starters for the secondary and then we immediately drafted three more for depth to bring up behind them.

McDaniels wants to win now but he also wants a young talent pool ready to take over as these guys age. I think we'll look hard at DL with every pick we make in this draft class.

That said, I also don't think McDaniels will pass up BPA at another need position to add more DL depth when we should already have a solid rotation. If CJ Spiller slides to #11 I don't think we'll pass on him to reach a little on Dan Williams for example.

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 04:07 AM
I'd agree on drafting some youth, but then that was our MO last off-season. Signed three new starters for the secondary and then we immediately drafted three more for depth to bring up behind them.

McDaniels wants to win now but he also wants a young talent pool ready to take over as these guys age. I think we'll look hard at DL with every pick we make in this draft class.

That said, I also don't think McDaniels will pass up BPA at another need position to add more DL depth when we should already have a solid rotation. If CJ Spiller slides to #11 I don't think we'll pass on him to reach a little on Dan Williams for example.

i want absolutely nothing to do with Spiller even if he fell to our 2nd round pick

WolfpackGuy
03-10-2010, 04:24 AM
Mardy Gilyard

That would be a helluva pick outside round 1.

long beach bronco
03-10-2010, 04:40 AM
The dynamics Spiller brings to the table is just too enticing to pass up, especially for the enimic offense that we have. We need to have a player on the field that all the defenders are worried about on every play, and Spiller brings that, speed in the return game and speed hitting the hole at 1000 miles per hour. I guess we'll wait and see what happens.

cousinal11
03-10-2010, 05:25 AM
I like all the signings. WIN NOW.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-10-2010, 05:32 AM
I expect McDaniels to make strides with the offense this year.
Perhaps he's going to address some of the issues thru the trade.
And yes, he's heard it all about the offense last year.
He has admitted he's made some mistakes and that's good to me.
He recognized he should've given playing time to some key players.
One of his critical moves or lack thereof was feeding the ball to Moreno no matter what, no matter the situation. That backfired on him big.

McDaniels is confident he can work with the offense, but his biggest fish right now is the defense. The offense needs a lot of work too, no question.

Look, I'm not hammering the guy for making improvements on our defense. This is what you guys want to argue with me. I'm all for what he's doing.
I'm not saying is a bad thing.
All I'm saying he's feeling the pressure of putting together a great defense, NOT good, a GREAT defense as that's how he will be graded. There's no escape to that.
If he does well, he will have accomplished a great defense for us, and I'll have to find something else to bitch about.
It's that simple, guys...

Fixed for you.

jhns
03-10-2010, 06:09 AM
I like the d-line signings. Now we just have to wait and see if the yes man Martindale knows what he is doing. I still can't believe we didn't want Nolan around.

chrisp
03-10-2010, 06:11 AM
He's doing the exact same thing he did with the secondary last year. If you paid attention, it was clear that Nolan and McD identified the secondary as the weakest link on the team last year. 4 FA acquisitions and 3 draft picks. Do you think they thought it sucked? And if you listened to Nolan, he talked about how he liked to have an experienced secondary to cover for an inexperienced Front 7.

I think last year it wasn't so much that case that they saw the secondary as the weakest point on the team (although arguably it was) more that they saw themselves as building a defense up from scratch. One of the things I remember them saying in the offseason was that they decided to implement the 3-4, not becuase they saw it as a better fit for their players but becuase tey didn't feel there was an established 4-3!

I also recall that there was a suggestion that improving the secondary would help more in the red zone which would help more with scoring defense - meaning that they were more concerned to improve points than yards in the first year.

Now ironically, we actually improved more in yards overall, (from 29th in 2008 to 15th in 2009) but we still manage to effect a substantial overall improvement in points (from 30th in 2008 to 20th in 2009).

Bottom line, however, is that they saw a need for improvement all over the team, but the reality of the NFL is that its probably easier to affect a quick upgrade to the secondary than it is to the d-line. We did the best we could to upgrade the d-line last year (arguments over potential draft choices notwithstanding) bringing in fields and McBean, and this season that continues with the signings of Green et al.

One thing I've always believed however, is that if you have a great offensive scheme then its easier to make stars out of average players, as long as you execute it perfectly. Offense dictates the play, to which the defense reacts , which puts a greater premium on instincts and athleticsim on that side of the ball.

I think that this year, whilst there are gaps to fill on that side of the ball, McD is aiming for increased familiarity between players and the scheme to reap some dividends on offense, so may just be putting a little more effort into the defensive side of the ball in the draft and free agency.

TonyR
03-10-2010, 06:29 AM
Now we just have to wait and see if the yes man Martindale knows what he is doing. I still can't believe we didn't want Nolan around.

Where do you people come up with these negative spins? Martindale is a "yes man"? And "we didn't want Nolan around"?

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 06:37 AM
Where do you people come up with these negative spins? Martindale is a "yes man"? And "we didn't want Nolan around"?

i agree. i am so sick of these people who continue to bitch about Nolan. he is the one who requested to be let go. McDaniels didn't kick him out the door.

and Wink has been doing a damn good job for a long time, and with his defense basically being a more aggressive form of Nolan's the defense doesn't need to learn new assignments and can simply build on last season.

jhns
03-10-2010, 06:49 AM
Where do you people come up with these negative spins? Martindale is a "yes man"? And "we didn't want Nolan around"?

What would you call the "mutual" parting? We want him here? Mutual now means he wanted out and we wanted him here? I come up with this stuff by using my brain.

It is pretty obvious Martindale is a yes man. McDaniels hand picked coordinator didn't even want to work with him after a single season. Anyone with experience that expects to have a say in the defense is going to have the same problem. We gave an inexperienced coach the job after this happens. What would you call it? Switching d-coordinators every year was Shanahans problem. Now we are dealing with it already with McDaniels. At least Shanahans coordinators actually made the defense worse before Shanahan wanted them gone.

jhns
03-10-2010, 06:51 AM
i agree. i am so sick of these people who continue to b**** about Nolan. he is the one who requested to be let go. McDaniels didn't kick him out the door.


And I'm sick of you making stuff up. Why don't you show where anyone from this organization, or Nolan, has said that Nolan requested to go.

TonyR
03-10-2010, 06:58 AM
We gave an inexperienced coach the job after this happens.

How is Martindale "inexperienced"? When having such discussions it would be helpful if you knew what you were talking about. Why some of you people need to go out of your way to find something to be negative about I'll just never understand. We improved our D front 7 talent and yet you still figure out a way to complain about it. Unbelievable.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-10-2010, 07:12 AM
Where do you people come up with these negative spins? Martindale is a "yes man"? And "we didn't want Nolan around"?

It's probably best to put jhns on ignore and stop quoting him. He'll go away with his instigating bull**** sooner or later, and since his takes never change ("McDaniels bad; Shanahan, Nolan, Cutler, Marshall GOOOOOOOOOOOD") you don't have to worry about missing anything of substance.

jhns
03-10-2010, 07:14 AM
How is Martindale "inexperienced"? When having such discussions it would be helpful if you knew what you were talking about. Why some of you people need to go out of your way to find something to be negative about I'll just never understand. We improved our D front 7 talent and yet you still figure out a way to complain about it. Unbelievable.

Alright, school me then. How many years has Martindale been a defensive coordinator in the NFL? You really know what you are talking about so let's hear it.

jhns
03-10-2010, 07:21 AM
It's probably best to put jhns on ignore and stop quoting him.

You mean like you do? What is this, like the 8th time now? You constantly put me on ignore or go on about how others should. Then you have me off ignore or are quoting me within days. It happens every time.

strafen
03-10-2010, 07:24 AM
i am still struggling to see where Nolan fits into this ****ed up way you're thinking. Did McDaniels fire Nolan? Did McDaniels make a trade with the Dolphins to get them to take Nolan off his hands? No he didn't do anything like that, in fact when the Dolphins first called regarding Nolan he basically told them to **** off. It wasn't until a few days later that for whatever reasons be it personality clash or Nolan's desire to work in Miami, that NOLAN asked to be let go so he could coach there.

so in what way is anything McDaniels fault? why should he have to worry about living up to a certain standard simply because of Nolan. as a HC his job is to make a team better, and yet you post and make it sound like, had Nolan remained none of these guys would have been brought in to make the line better, that the only reason McDaniels brought in experienced good 3-4 linemen was because he wants to save face.

he brought in these guys to make the weakest part of our defense better. Same as he did last season when he brought in 7 guys for the secondary before TC began.

he sees the weaknesses on the team and gos out and gets guys to correct those weaknesses.

it won't be long before he adds some beef to the OL, but when that happens will it in your mind be because he is trying to save face because Dennison is in Houston of his own free will now, or will that be because of the real reason, he is fixing the teams weaknesses?Who is blaming Mcdaniels of anything here, dude?
Show me what is it that I'm accusing him of for you to come out shooting in his defense?

Nolan is NOT here after having turned around our defense. He just decided to leave just like that.
But we all know how the defense when we were 6-0 was because McDaniels was calling the shots, and we went 2-8 when McDaniels gave the reigns back to Nolan right?
How is it possible to be blaming McDaniels of anything?
I know I'm not. God forbid. I don't want to be attacked!

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 07:26 AM
And I'm sick of you making stuff up. Why don't you show where anyone from this organization, or Nolan, has said that Nolan requested to go.

it was reported repeatedly that Miami called and asked to interview or offer their DC job to Nolan and McDaniels initially refused it wasn't after that that a meeting between Nolan and McDaniels resulted in Nolan resigning his post in Denver so he would be free to sign with Miami.

once again, Nolan was not fired, and he is the one who chose to leave.

jhns
03-10-2010, 07:29 AM
How is it possible to be blaming McDaniels of anything?


It is funny how they just make stuff up to cover for McDaniels. Like this stuff about Nolan requesting to go. It is really funny that these guys know everything that happens but when you use what the team has said, you are wrong. Then they go on about how Martindale is an experienced NFL coordinator as he has never been an NFL coordinator. I don't get it. I supply facts and reality and these guys go off the deep end.

strafen
03-10-2010, 07:33 AM
it was reported repeatedly that Miami called and asked to interview or offer their DC job to Nolan and McDaniels initially refused it wasn't after that that a meeting between Nolan and McDaniels resulted in Nolan resigning his post in Denver so he would be free to sign with Miami.

once again, Nolan was not fired, and he is the one who chose to leave.Nolan, Turner and Dennison, ALL decided to leave.
It's got nothing to do with McDaniels, God forbid!

jhns
03-10-2010, 07:33 AM
it was reported repeatedly that Miami called and asked to interview or offer their DC job to Nolan and McDaniels initially refused it wasn't after that that a meeting between Nolan and McDaniels resulted in Nolan resigning his post in Denver so he would be free to sign with Miami.

once again, Nolan was not fired, and he is the one who chose to leave.

Please prove Nolan quit. Show that it was Nolan who initiated their "mutual" parting and not McDaniels. I have heard what you are saying. The same type of rumors have also floated around that McDaniels was freaking out because Nolan wanted some say in how the defense is run. Those rumors suggest it was McDaniels that didn't like the way Nolan was doing things.

Which rumor is true? I have no idea. That is why I use the facts we know and not rumors. That is the difference between me and those that defened McDaniels at all costs. Let me tell you something. McDaniels is not above the Broncos. He doesn't get free passes on dumb decisions. Either way you spin this though, McDaniels hand picked coordinator didn't want to work with him after a single year.

strafen
03-10-2010, 07:34 AM
It is funny how they just make stuff up to cover for McDaniels. Like this stuff about Nolan requesting to go. It is really funny that these guys know everything that happens but when you use what the team has said, you are wrong. Then they go on about how Martindale is an experienced NFL coordinator as he has never been an NFL coordinator. I don't get it. I supply facts and reality and these guys go off the deep end.It's unbelievable this cul-like love for McDaniels.
It's a touchy subject for some here. It's incredible how they react. Amazing! :rofl:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-10-2010, 07:35 AM
Nolan, Turner and Dennison, ALL decided to leave.
It's got nothing to do with McDaniels, God forbid!

Turner and Dennison were going to leave... OF COURSE they were going to leave. They got ****ing promotions, dip ****.

Nolan left too... OH NOEZ! How awful for everyone here who now has to listen to your bitching and moaning.

Nolan '10 = Cutler '09. FML.

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 07:35 AM
Who is blaming Mcdaniels of anything here, dude?
Show me what is it that I'm accusing him of for you to come out shooting in his defense?

Nolan is NOT here after having turned around our defense. He just decided to leave just like that.
But we all know how the defense when we were 6-0 was because McDaniels was calling the shots, and we went 2-8 when McDaniels gave the reigns back to Nolan right?
How is it possible to be blaming McDaniels of anything?
I know I'm not. God forbid. I don't want to be attacked!

your entire post was a slam at McDaniels talking about how these DL signings are just to prop up his ego and to show the NFL he doesn't need Nolan to have a good defense.

he decided to leave because he and McDaniels are the exact same type of person. both wanted complete control and only 1 could have it. i am not arguing that, I am simply saying Nolan is the one who decided to resign his post, and he was not forced out.

also, Nolan got an offer from the Dolphins which also led to his wanting to leave Denver. which is even more evident when you look at the fact that he signed a deal to be the DC in Miami less than 24 hours after he quit in Denver.

fired coaches don't have a new job set up immediately unless they wanted the new job.

you and others keep complaining about him being gone and putting it on McDaniels, he wanted to leave and really who gives a ****? his system is in place and Martindale is going to run the same system albeit slightly more aggressive and allow the players to build upon their 2009 season.

also, if you are a coach, who would you rather take orders from, Josh McDaniels or Bill Parcells? i am sure that thought played a decent role in Nolan's decision to leave Denver

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-10-2010, 07:36 AM
it was reported repeatedly that Miami called and asked to interview or offer their DC job to Nolan and McDaniels initially refused it wasn't after that that a meeting between Nolan and McDaniels resulted in Nolan resigning his post in Denver so he would be free to sign with Miami.

once again, Nolan was not fired, and he is the one who chose to leave.

Interesting how they completely blew by your post. Probably because it contains facts, and these two don't care much for facts.

jhns
03-10-2010, 07:40 AM
Interesting how they completely blew by your post. Probably because it contains facts, and these two don't care much for facts.

Ummm, we both responded to it. You aren't a very smart person.

I really like the part about rumors being facts.

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2010, 07:42 AM
I really would have preferred Dwan Edwards to Green, though. I think they may have slightly overpaid there, too. At least they are bringing in some credible competition for Peterson and Holliday with Green and Bannan, so that's a step in the right direction, even if its only incremental improvement.

Same. Also, unfortunately Holliday is no longer on the Broncos at the moment and with the amount of DE signings I'm not sure if he will be. He's an FA and we've yet to resign him. Holliday was our best DE last year too.

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 07:43 AM
Please prove Nolan quit. Show that it was Nolan who initiated their "mutual" parting and not McDaniels. I have heard what you are saying. The same type of rumors have also floated around that McDaniels was freaking out because Nolan wanted some say in how the defense is run. Those rumors suggest it was McDaniels that didn't like the way Nolan was doing things.

Which rumor is true? I have no idea. That is why I use the facts we know and not rumors. That is the difference between me and those that defened McDaniels at all costs. Let me tell you something. McDaniels is not above the Broncos. He doesn't get free passes on dumb decisions. Either way you spin this though, McDaniels hand picked coordinator didn't want to work with him after a single year.

i'm not giving the guy a pass on stupid mistakes. i still believe he needs his ass kicked for the Alphonso Smith and Quinn moves in the draft.

i am simply saying that too much is thrown at him, even when it wasn't his fault.

look at the Nolan situation closely. he left Denver and less than 24 hours later had a new DC job in Miami. that right there spells out that Miami and he had discussions prior to him actually no longer being apart of the Denver Broncos franchise. it also points out that for whatever reasons, he wanted to coach elsewhere.

but Adam Schefter is the guy we all turn to when we want actual info

As citizens of Broncos Country react to the news that Mike Nolan has resigned as Denver Broncos defensive coordinator, the most overwhelming question persists to be, simply, “Why?”

One possible explanation has surfaced from ESPN’s Adam Schefter. Schefter reports that, before the Broncos and Nolan parted ways, the Miami Dolphins formally requested permission to interview him for their open defensive coordinator job. Furthermore, according to multiple news outlets, Nolan and Miami already have an interview lined up.

As is the case with these things, we’ll probably never get the full extent or every detail on how things went down. But this certainly suggests that an opportunity to coach elsewhere was appealing to Nolan, and *perhaps* was even the catalyst for their “mutual separation.”

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2010, 07:45 AM
For the stupid argument over Nolan.

Nolan left because he wanted COMPLETE CONTROL over the defense. McDaniels started out in defense so it's not like he's an idiot about the subject. He had his grip in our defense to a degree. Nolan just wanted to make a defense his way with absolutely no interference.

Pretty ****ing simple

Kaylore
03-10-2010, 07:47 AM
What would you call the "mutual" parting? We want him here? Mutual now means he wanted out and we wanted him here? I come up with this stuff by using my brain.

It is pretty obvious Martindale is a yes man. McDaniels hand picked coordinator didn't even want to work with him after a single season. Anyone with experience that expects to have a say in the defense is going to have the same problem. We gave an inexperienced coach the job after this happens. What would you call it? Switching d-coordinators every year was Shanahans problem. Now we are dealing with it already with McDaniels. At least Shanahans coordinators actually made the defense worse before Shanahan wanted them gone.
Martindale isn't a yes man. Where did you hear that? He's never been known as a yes man. During his time in Oakland he was borderline insubordinate because when he disagreed with the coach and FO he would let them know. It's probably at least part of why he's not there anymore. You really are just making crap up b/c you're bitter, aren't you?

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 07:49 AM
Nolan, Turner and Dennison, ALL decided to leave.
It's got nothing to do with McDaniels, God forbid!

Turner and Dennison took promotions with teams built by former Denver coaches with which they had years of experience and great working relationships with. Also, when both teams originally requested to interview them, McDaniels denied them. it wasn't until a jump in coaching rank for each of them was offered that McDaniels allowed them to interview

Damn McDaniels for allowing these guys the opportunity to be promoted. what a bastard.

and with Nolan, the Dolphins requested to interview Nolan while he was still under contract with Denver, and McDaniels originally said no. after discussion with McDaniels, Nolan resigned his post in Denver under mutual agreement with McDaniels and then interviewed and signed with Miami all within 24 hours of leaving Denver.

jhns
03-10-2010, 07:54 AM
i'm not giving the guy a pass on stupid mistakes. i still believe he needs his ass kicked for the Alphonso Smith and Quinn moves in the draft.

i am simply saying that too much is thrown at him, even when it wasn't his fault.

look at the Nolan situation closely. he left Denver and less than 24 hours later had a new DC job in Miami. that right there spells out that Miami and he had discussions prior to him actually no longer being apart of the Denver Broncos franchise. it also points out that for whatever reasons, he wanted to coach elsewhere.

but Adam Schefter is the guy we all turn to when we want actual info

As citizens of Broncos Country react to the news that Mike Nolan has resigned as Denver Broncos defensive coordinator, the most overwhelming question persists to be, simply, “Why?”

One possible explanation has surfaced from ESPN’s Adam Schefter. Schefter reports that, before the Broncos and Nolan parted ways, the Miami Dolphins formally requested permission to interview him for their open defensive coordinator job. Furthermore, according to multiple news outlets, Nolan and Miami already have an interview lined up.

As is the case with these things, we’ll probably never get the full extent or every detail on how things went down. But this certainly suggests that an opportunity to coach elsewhere was appealing to Nolan, and *perhaps* was even the catalyst for their “mutual separation.”

Thanks for proving you are using a rumor. Also, who says they didn't have a falling out well before any of this? Maybe they both knew it was coming a lot sooner. Why wouldn't McDaniels say he wanted Nolan back but Nolan wanted to leave? Is it saving face to throw out there that you don't want the coordinator that did nothing but improve the defense? Why did he come out with the mutual parting line?

You want to know another big rumor that supports this being a mid-season falling out? There are tons of rumors that McDaniels hated the way Nolan called plays and forced him to run his scheme McDaniels way. I would look for a new job at that point to. No wonder our defense fell apart.

No, I don't believe all of these rumors. I find it funny that you use them as facts though. If I started saying stuff like what I have above, you would all freak out.

Kaylore
03-10-2010, 07:54 AM
It's unbelievable this cul-like love for McDaniels.
It's a touchy subject for some here. It's incredible how they react. Amazing! :rofl:

You mean instead of the outright fiction that you and the haters are writing?

"NURRRRR MARTINDALE IS A YES MAN"

"How do you know? Where did you hear that?"

"NURRRR IS OBIOUS CUSE MCDANIELS HIRED HIM SO HEZ A YES MAN"

"That would be the opposite of his reputation every else in the league"

"WELL ITS TROO. N ALSO WE R JUS HIRING PEOPLE FUR THE D LINE SO MCDANIELS CUN SAVE FACE. NURRRRRRR"

"So you're saying if Nolan was still here we wouldn't be trying to upgrade the team this way?"

"UM, UH, WELL"

"You really think our defensive line was fine after last year? That this isn't related to improving at all"

"UH, NURRRR...."

"Even though we did the same thing last year with good results and it's clearly an MO of the new FO?"

"SHUT UP! MCDANELS SUKS! SHANY RULZ! CUTLER IS AWZUM!"

strafen
03-10-2010, 07:55 AM
your entire post was a slam at McDaniels talking about how these DL signings are just to prop up his ego and to show the NFL he doesn't need Nolan to have a good defense.

he decided to leave because he and McDaniels are the exact same type of person. both wanted complete control and only 1 could have it. i am not arguing that, I am simply saying Nolan is the one who decided to resign his post, and he was not forced out.

also, Nolan got an offer from the Dolphins which also led to his wanting to leave Denver. which is even more evident when you look at the fact that he signed a deal to be the DC in Miami less than 24 hours after he quit in Denver.

fired coaches don't have a new job set up immediately unless they wanted the new job.

you and others keep complaining about him being gone and putting it on McDaniels, he wanted to leave and really who gives a ****? his system is in place and Martindale is going to run the same system albeit slightly more aggressive and allow the players to build upon their 2009 season.

also, if you are a coach, who would you rather take orders from, Josh McDaniels or Bill Parcells? i am sure that thought played a decent role in Nolan's decision to leave DenverWhether Nolan left on his one, or was fired, it doesn't matter.
He didn't have to leave, and the reason why he left -voluntarily or not- is because of McDaniels.

You've made this a Nolan's debate.
Let me refresh to you what my point was...

While everything YOUR God Mcdaniels does is intended to better up our team, the defense has become a particular task he's handling in a special way.

It doesn't matter how or why Nolan's left. All it matters is people are scratching their heads why after such a turnaround he's not here, but you all got that covered, right?
So, let's not worry about Nolan
Now, back to my point.
God Josh McDaniels is doing everything he can to build a winner. That's all we want.
Our OL, struggles on the red zone, and overall inefficiency on offense deserves to take a backseat to our #7 ranked defense, right?
It's started to llok like an act of desperation on God Josh to make this defense work one way or another. I hope it works.

The defense is something he can't afford to drop the ball at.
Fair or not, if he happens to screw up the defense, it will be all on him, nobody else to blame for it, and the name Mike Nolan will be tormenting him for at least a year, the media will never let him hear the end of it.
Don't you see that coming?
Again, let's hope he builds a winner...

jhns
03-10-2010, 07:57 AM
McDaniels started out in defense so it's not like he's an idiot about the subject. He had his grip in our defense to a degree.


That is exactly what I said originally. McDaniels wants a yes man, like Shanahan did. His way or the highway. No questioning of what they say or think.

Dagmar
03-10-2010, 07:57 AM
Why do people not have drag and jhns on ignore with rasta and bf7? It makes this place a lot more intelligent and tolerable.

strafen
03-10-2010, 08:01 AM
You mean instead of the outright fiction that you and the haters are writing?

"NURRRRR MARTINDALE IS A YES MAN"

"How do you know? Where did you hear that?"

"NURRRR IS OBIOUS CUSE MCDANIELS HIRED HIM SO HEZ A YES MAN"

"That would be the opposite of his reputation every else in the league"

"WELL ITS TROO. N ALSO WE R JUS HIRING PEOPLE FUR THE D LINE SO MCDANIELS CUN SAVE FACE. NURRRRRRR"

"So you're saying if Nolan was still here we wouldn't be trying to upgrade the team this way?"

"UM, UH, WELL"

"You really think our defensive line was fine after last year? That this isn't related to improving at all"

"UH, NURRRR...."

"Even though we did the same thing last year with good results and it's clearly an MO of the new FO?"

"SHUT UP! MCDANELS SUKS! SHANY RULZ! CUTLER IS AWZUM!"Easy there, man.
The pressure is on McDaniels to build a defense to surpass the NFL ranked 7 defense we've got last year.
There are going to be questions regarding the departure of Nolan.
Even YOU can't ignore that fact.
McDaniels defense will be measured to Nolan's defense of 2009.
You, the fans, the media we'll all be making comparisons.
Don't take that as an attack to McDaniels, God forbid.

We could only hope that if Nolan was here that he would be afforded the opportunity to bring his own people.
Last year we signed a plethora of RB's along with some offensive players that didn't help much.
Our defense last year did well on the strngth of the system as opposed of talent.

Popcorn Sutton
03-10-2010, 08:02 AM
Please prove Nolan quit. Show that it was Nolan who initiated their "mutual" parting and not McDaniels. I have heard what you are saying. The same type of rumors have also floated around that McDaniels was freaking out because Nolan wanted some say in how the defense is run. Those rumors suggest it was McDaniels that didn't like the way Nolan was doing things.

Which rumor is true? I have no idea. That is why I use the facts we know and not rumors. That is the difference between me and those that defened McDaniels at all costs. Let me tell you something. McDaniels is not above the Broncos. He doesn't get free passes on dumb decisions. Either way you spin this though, McDaniels hand picked coordinator didn't want to work with him after a single year.

He's doing the same thing you are. He's assuming the best and you are assuming the worst. Nolan doesn't exactly have a track record of staying in one place for very long. The fact is jhns that you always take the position that sides against McDaniels. This is just another case where you refuse to consider the other side. You claim that you bring facts but the facts are that nobody really knows what happened.

TonyR
03-10-2010, 08:02 AM
I really would have preferred Dwan Edwards to Green, though.

I think teams are scared away by the medical issue.

Some teams could be worried about giving a long-term deal to Edwards, who had spinal fusion surgery in 2008.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-ravens0309,0,4563350.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+baltimoresun/sports/football/rss2+(+Ravens/Football)

TheDave
03-10-2010, 08:04 AM
Great Pick up... Great FA's so far...

McKidd hit a homerun last year with FA and it looks like he's got another good haul.

jhns
03-10-2010, 08:06 AM
Martindale isn't a yes man. Where did you hear that? He's never been known as a yes man. During his time in Oakland he was borderline insubordinate because when he disagreed with the coach and FO he would let them know. It's probably at least part of why he's not there anymore. You really are just making crap up b/c you're bitter, aren't you?

I am bitter. I can't deny that.

As for the rest of this, why isn't Nolan here right now. What is your theory on it? Ever theory, as well as the facts the team has put out, all suggest what I am saying is true. Nolan didn't want to be here because he wanted say in how the defense is run. McDaniels didn't want him here because he wanted say in how the defense is run. You take out the speculation part and it is still saying that. McDaniels didn't want the coordinator that did nothing but improve the defense. McDaniels hand picked coordinator didn't want to work with him after a single year and didn't leave for a promotion.

I would say that all points to McDaniels wanting to hire a yes man. Maybe I am wrong and him and Martindale just see things the same way. Either way, my point stands. Getting rid of Nolan was dumb and I hope Martindale can handle the job.

jhns
03-10-2010, 08:08 AM
He's doing the same thing you are. He's assuming the best and you are assuming the worst. Nolan doesn't exactly have a track record of staying in one place for very long. The fact is jhns that you always take the position that sides against McDaniels. This is just another case where you refuse to consider the other side. You claim that you bring facts but the facts are that nobody really knows what happened.

No, I am using what the team said. He is using a rumor. There is no similarity.

UberBroncoMan
03-10-2010, 08:08 AM
People are largely forgetting about Nate from Miami too. He looks like he's going to be a great nickle CB.

jhns
03-10-2010, 08:10 AM
You mean instead of the outright fiction that you and the haters are writing?

"NURRRRR MARTINDALE IS A YES MAN"

"How do you know? Where did you hear that?"

"NURRRR IS OBIOUS CUSE MCDANIELS HIRED HIM SO HEZ A YES MAN"

"That would be the opposite of his reputation every else in the league"

"WELL ITS TROO. N ALSO WE R JUS HIRING PEOPLE FUR THE D LINE SO MCDANIELS CUN SAVE FACE. NURRRRRRR"

"So you're saying if Nolan was still here we wouldn't be trying to upgrade the team this way?"

"UM, UH, WELL"

"You really think our defensive line was fine after last year? That this isn't related to improving at all"

"UH, NURRRR...."

"Even though we did the same thing last year with good results and it's clearly an MO of the new FO?"

"SHUT UP! MCDANELS SUKS! SHANY RULZ! CUTLER IS AWZUM!"

Uh oh. I think we hurt this chicks feelings.

bowtown
03-10-2010, 08:11 AM
You mean instead of the outright fiction that you and the haters are writing?

"NURRRRR MARTINDALE IS A YES MAN"

"How do you know? Where did you hear that?"

"NURRRR IS OBIOUS CUSE MCDANIELS HIRED HIM SO HEZ A YES MAN"

"That would be the opposite of his reputation every else in the league"

"WELL ITS TROO. N ALSO WE R JUS HIRING PEOPLE FUR THE D LINE SO MCDANIELS CUN SAVE FACE. NURRRRRRR"

"So you're saying if Nolan was still here we wouldn't be trying to upgrade the team this way?"

"UM, UH, WELL"

"You really think our defensive line was fine after last year? That this isn't related to improving at all"

"UH, NURRRR...."

"Even though we did the same thing last year with good results and it's clearly an MO of the new FO?"

"SHUT UP! MCDANELS SUKS! SHANY RULZ! CUTLER IS AWZUM!"

I really like it when Kaylor gets fiesty.

OOJack
03-10-2010, 08:12 AM
Why do people not have drag and jhns on ignore with rasta and bf7? It makes this place a lot more intelligent and tolerable.

douche alert!

bowtown
03-10-2010, 08:15 AM
douche alert!

You don't have to announce yourself every time you enter a thread.

strafen
03-10-2010, 08:17 AM
douche alert!Please, don't quote dagmar.
If it wasn't like posts like these, he wouldn't have **** to say.
He's the sheep of the forum, he follows people around and regurgitate what others say.
Please, again, don't quote him.
I have him on my ignore list, and all the posts are now more enjoyable to read without having to see his worthless crap that he has to say, that usually brings absolutely ZERO value or contribution to any discussion.

OOJack
03-10-2010, 08:18 AM
You don't have to announce yourself every time you enter a thread.

sidekick douche alert! right on cue

Tombstone RJ
03-10-2010, 08:21 AM
OOJack is really on a roll! Wow, will the quality posts never end!?! He's a playa I'm tell'n yahzzz!

OOJack
03-10-2010, 08:22 AM
by the way, i think this is a good pickup, but his knees are a serious issue. If he plays 50% of downs we are lucky. Not to mention, what's the status of his bicep injury?

OOJack
03-10-2010, 08:23 AM
OOJack is really on a roll! Wow, will the quality posts never end!?! He's a playa I'm tell'n yahzzz!

go back to your hell hole

400HZ
03-10-2010, 08:26 AM
I wonder what would happen if Josh McDaniels acquired Peyton Manning for a 5th round pick tomorrow. Would these retards still b**** and moan about everything and inject their hurt feelings into every thread?




My guess would be yes.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-10-2010, 08:29 AM
i wonder what would happen if josh mcdaniels acquired peyton manning for a 5th round pick tomorrow. Would these retards still b**** and moan about everything and inject their hurt feelings into every thread?




My guess would be yes.

he's old! And he duznt play gud! And also threw a pick in the super bowlz! Mcdummypantspoopyface strykes agin~!

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 08:30 AM
I wonder what would happen if Josh McDaniels acquired Peyton Manning for a 5th round pick tomorrow. Would these retards still b**** and moan about everything and inject their hurt feelings into every thread?




My guess would be yes.

i agree. and the main argument would come down to arm strength and his lack of mobility.

many would talk about the intelligence he possesses and that he is a winner and all that crap, but there would still be a few haters who would still find reasons to bitch about it.

Tombstone RJ
03-10-2010, 08:30 AM
go back to your hell hole

Livin in a HELL HOLE, girl get me back to my HELL HOLE, you know where you stand in a HELL HOLE!

Reading your posts makes me very comfortable. Thanks playa! :thumbs:

strafen
03-10-2010, 08:34 AM
i agree. and the main argument would come down to arm strength and his lack of mobility.

many would talk about the intelligence he possesses and that he is a winner and all that crap, but there would still be a few haters who would still find reasons to b**** about it.

No, no, no, he will be compared to Orton.
People would be bitching why in the hell we've got rid of Orton to bring Manning.

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 08:34 AM
Why do people not have drag and jhns on ignore with rasta and bf7? It makes this place a lot more intelligent and tolerable.

for me the reason i continue to leave these guys and a few others who definitely deserve to be ignored off my ignore list goes back to my own personal belief that the moment this team turns it around and McDaniels proves the haters wrong, it is going to be so much fun to watch these guys all change their tunes and jump onto the McDaniels bandwagon and make claims that they always believed in the guy and never said anything bad, and weren't acting like trolls.

plus it is like watching a car accident or a donkey show. it is terrible, can make you sick to your stomach, but for some reason you just can't look away. you just have to keep watching just to know what is going to happen next.