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PaintballCLE
03-08-2010, 08:10 PM
So let me fill you in on some background information first.

Ages 5-15 didnt play much, few times a year.

Age 15-18 On varsity golf team at a private high school. Not a great player freshman and sophomore years, but junior and senior years was pretty good (single digit handicap) We had our personal golf coach, and played so much golf our hands would bleed.........36 holes every day except sunday from june throuch october and 500 range balls on sundays.

In the last tournament of my senior year tore my rotator cuff trying to blast a shot out from an overhanging tree (yes i got injured in golf dont laugh)

didnt play much the next two years.......busy with college and stuff.

Got back into it the following two years........hovered around a 15 hc.

then i havent played for years and last year really got into it hardcore. I work from 130-930 pm so during the summer i would get 9 holes in every morning at our local muni course. struggled off and on.........would shoot great rounds under par, then the next time out shoot 15 over.

I hit the ball a long way........300+ driver, PW 150

But i noticed everything, especially the drives are pushing way right. No slice, straight but to the extreme right. (bad enough that i usually ended up on the other fairway)

I took a few private lessons to get that corrected.......but by correcting my swing, it made everything else suffer (distance, short game, etc...)

Now this year i start off at the driving range with 2 large buckets every day. Same freaking thing........300 yards, straight, just extreme right.

I went back to the video anaylsis and focused on doing what i was doing before when i had the problem, but it seems to be something else because im not doing what i was doing, yet its still going right.


I live in cleveland, so we have 8 months out of the year where golf isn't possible.....

My question is, do you think private lessons are worth it? Seems like im wasting my money because every 8 month offseason i lose whatever i had the year before from not playing for so long.

I usually bring my video cam with me and set it up behind me at the range....... i jsut cant seem to figure out what the problem is.

or i guess better yet, are there any online sites you guys know of that could give tips for me, all the ones ive come across are for newbie golfers.

if anyone lives in the ohio area, is a good golfer, let me know........maybe we can go out sometime and maybe you will be able to see my problem.

on another note........... if OM weekend is early this year, how many of you guys would be interested in getting a small outing put together. Could be fun!

Lev Vyvanse
03-08-2010, 08:13 PM
I wouldn't.

JJJ
03-08-2010, 08:23 PM
Posture, alignment, and steady head. My three swing keys to a better golf.

Posture: Bend your knees, stick out your butt, and straighten your back. You cannot make a proper golf swing with a hunch in your back. Bend those knees. Important to be in an athletic position. It should almost feel like you are sticking your ass out too far.

Alignment: Most people naturally align themselves too far to the right. Make sure to pick out a target a few yards in front of the ball.

Steady head: Don't lock your head in place but try to keep it as quiet as possible. I have found a lot of my problems come from too much up and down motion. Keeping the head still emphasizes rotation around your core.

This assumes there is no problem with your grip.

My pro I only work with 3 or 4 times a year got these fixed for me and it has changed everything for me. If he doesn't work on your grip, posture, and alignment first he is not worth his salt as a pro.

Requiem
03-08-2010, 08:26 PM
I have found that my best golf usually happens when I take a half 8th of shrooms on the front nine and another half 8th on the back. If you are feeling risky, P-Funkin' it down the course is never a bad option. Have someone sober drive the cart and avoid the bunkers at all cost.

Rohirrim
03-08-2010, 08:28 PM
Aim way left. ;D





I kid. Take an 8 iron and do half swings, I mean from belt high to belt high. All you should be using is your wrists. Relax the lower body with bent knees and let the swing shift your weight. Concentrate on "slamming the gate," that is, using your hands to square the club face at impact. You should be chipping out about a hundred yards. Keep doing it until you can feel your forearms relax and start turning over naturally behind your wrists. The ball should be going straight out to the same spot. When you've got it grooved, take it to your full swing. Voila!

The key is to take the stress out of the forearms.

Or just eat a bunch of 'shrooms like Req says and then, who gives a ****? Enter the world of Seamus MacDuff and Shivas Irons. :puff:

See the ball... be the ball... ffp ffp ffp

Lev Vyvanse
03-08-2010, 08:28 PM
I have found that my best golf usually happens when I take a half 8th of shrooms on the front nine and another half 8th on the back. If you are feeling risky, P-Funkin' it down the course is never a bad option. Have someone sober drive the cart and avoid the bunkers at all cost.

I would.

Requiem
03-08-2010, 08:30 PM
All I can say is be the ball Danny. And the best advice I can give to attempt and be other things is try drugs. Never failed me yet and I'm graduating college this year. I do things way better when I'm on drugs.

Lev Vyvanse
03-08-2010, 08:35 PM
All I can say is be the ball Danny. And the best advice I can give to attempt and be other things is try drugs. Never failed me yet and I'm graduating college this year. I do things way better when I'm on drugs.

Your next goal should be a political office.

Requiem
03-08-2010, 08:39 PM
Hey, already been there and done that but at a school level. Actually I got elected being a write-in on the ballot over kids who were actually on it. Have no idea how that happens, I just must be a cool guy. Don't know if a future in politics is really in the making. Politics is sad and depressing and I do not like that sort of thing. I want to teach people and help them learn and stuff. I have a soul even though I am a ginger. Hard to believe, but not many gingers are politicians.

Lev Vyvanse
03-08-2010, 08:43 PM
Hey, already been there and done that but at a school level. Actually I got elected being a write-in on the ballot over kids who were actually on it. Have no idea how that happens, I just must be a cool guy. Don't know if a future in politics is really in the making. Politics is sad and depressing and I do not like that sort of thing. I want to teach people and help them learn and stuff. I have a soul even though I am a ginger. Hard to believe, but not many gingers are politicians.

Didn't know you were a ginger. My bad.

Bronco Boy
03-08-2010, 08:51 PM
They don't have indoor ranges in Cleveland?

PaintballCLE
03-08-2010, 08:57 PM
They don't have indoor ranges in Cleveland?

there is one not to far away..........and the outdoor ones do have heated stalls.........but i only like hitting of grass........ruins your clubs/shot hitting off those mats

Requiem
03-08-2010, 09:01 PM
Didn't know you were a ginger. My bad.

Well more day-walkerish. I am proud of being representative of Neanderthal admixture in the human genome.

Pony Boy
03-08-2010, 09:02 PM
Doesn't matter how you do it as long as the club face is square at impact and stays square till the ball leaves the club.
It could be lot of things and a pro should be able to pick up on it. You are right it's not a slice it's a push, should be easy to fix if you can identify it. A friend I golf with was pushing the ball and I noticed the center of his chest was aimed down the ball fight path. He started completing his turn and aiming his breast bone down the fairway and started hitting it straight. If I was guessing, I would start with your wrists are you leaving them open and not squaring the club face?

chaz
03-08-2010, 09:38 PM
Hard to say without seeing your swing...could be your hips getting ahead of your hands or a number of other things. I'm by no means a master technician but I can usually help buddies tweak things.

Not sure if you've looked at these sites yet...You have to weed through the beginner tips, but there's a lot of stuff I've found helpful on here (last summer I worked on shaping my shots a lot and these two gave me a lot of tips)

http://www.pga.com/instruction/

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-instruction/?hj=xfs (use the lesson finder on the right)

chaz
03-08-2010, 09:42 PM
Take an 8 iron and do half swings, I mean from belt high to belt high. All you should be using is your wrists. Relax the lower body with bent knees and let the swing shift your weight. Concentrate on "slamming the gate," that is, using your hands to square the club face at impact. You should be chipping out about a hundred yards. Keep doing it until you can feel your forearms relax and start turning over naturally behind your wrists. The ball should be going straight out to the same spot. When you've got it grooved, take it to your full swing. Voila!

The key is to take the stress out of the forearms.

Or just eat a bunch of 'shrooms like Req says and then, who gives a ****? Enter the world of Seamus MacDuff and Shivas Irons. :puff:

See the ball... be the ball... ffp ffp ffp

Not sure I agree here. If your swing starts with your wrists cocking that could be part of the problem.

SouthStndJunkie
03-08-2010, 11:04 PM
I live in cleveland, so we have 8 months out of the year where golf isn't possible.....

My question is, do you think private lessons are worth it? Seems like im wasting my money because every 8 month offseason i lose whatever i had the year before from not playing for so long.



8 months?

I live in Ohio and you can easily play from April up through some nice days in October....that is 7 months of playable weather.

ZONA
03-09-2010, 01:43 AM
The dreaded push, I used to have that problem too. A few different things can cause it so it's hard to say what your exact problem is but mine was from swinging way too hard and my hips pushed forward some rather then just simply turning, which then made my hands get in front of the ball before they turned over. Result, a push. I finally got it through my thick skull to quit trying to kill the damn ball and let the club to the work.

A great tip I once got from a buddy who was an excellet driver of the ball (he shot a 71 at Pebble last year so he's good) was this. He had me get out the driver and go to a large flat putting green and practice super long puts with the driver. Not sure exactly how it helped me but I think it was just getting used to sweeping the club face square. When you hit a driver and it lands 250 or 300 yard away, sometimes it's hard to say just how accurate you were. But when you are aiming for a small cup in the ground, you can tell how good or badly you had your clubface squared at impact very easily. Once I started getting those long putts close with the driver, it definitely helped me hit straighter on the full driver swings.

It may not work for you but it sure helped me.

watermock
03-09-2010, 02:10 AM
If your driving 300, your probably lifting off your heels. Keep you head steady and let the club do the work.

The rough is another story.Turn inside out and expect the slice.

toad
03-09-2010, 04:51 AM
Ball starts right (ie. push for right-handed players) = swing path coming too far from the inside with no clubhead release. Basically a push or pull that stays straight in that direction is a result of club path.

Ball starts straight and curves right (ie. slice, cut, fade) = face angle open at address (usually coupled with an over-the-top/out-to-in swing). Essentially if the ball starts straight but curves its usually a result of face angle.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-09-2010, 05:18 AM
Posture, alignment, and steady head. My three swing keys to a better golf.

Posture: Bend your knees, stick out your butt, and straighten your back. You cannot make a proper golf swing with a hunch in your back. Bend those knees. Important to be in an athletic position. It should almost feel like you are sticking your ass out too far.

Alignment: Most people naturally align themselves too far to the right. Make sure to pick out a target a few yards in front of the ball.

Steady head: Don't lock your head in place but try to keep it as quiet as possible. I have found a lot of my problems come from too much up and down motion. Keeping the head still emphasizes rotation around your core.

This assumes there is no problem with your grip.

My pro I only work with 3 or 4 times a year got these fixed for me and it has changed everything for me. If he doesn't work on your grip, posture, and alignment first he is not worth his salt as a pro.

I agree with all of this, but you might also try a quick fix that my golf pro buddy told me.

First, (I'm assuming you're right-handed) with your left hand make sure your thumb is on way inside your right cover hand. Your left thumb should run right up the top crease in your right hand when you cover. I'm not sure how to explain that properly, but I think that pretty well covers it.

Then, on your follow through the ball, think about rolling your hands over to the left.

Worked like a charm for me. I hit the ball better than ever now.

Sorry about living in Cleveland. That sucks.

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 05:33 AM
Yeah. It sounds like a grip problem that could be causing the push. However, I shouldn't be giving golf advice. I push it and pull it on a regular basis. Bottom line though the club face it open at impact.

Thanks for the posts gents. There is good advice in this thread.

Dedhed
03-09-2010, 05:55 AM
Not sure I agree here. If your swing starts with your wrists cocking that could be part of the problem.

Actually Rohirrim is more correct here. If you're wrists aren't getting set on the takeaway the club and arms have a tendency to go straight back which pulls the arms away from the body on the backswing (a common thing when people are trying for more distance). Tiger does this all the time.

When the arms drift out from the body going back they tend to collapse into the body coming down. Particularly with better players who drive with their legs. When the arms collapse the club drops way inside. The ball can only go two directions from there: straight right, or a sweeping hook.

Focus on getting your wrists set, and the club will work around the body like it's supposed to and release through the ball like it's supposed to.

CEH
03-09-2010, 06:04 AM
www.JeffRitterGOlf.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/jritter5 (Instruction)

One plane golf instructor . Sweetest swing I've seen since Ernie Els

Has a ton of short fix it videos on Youtube

Really tough without seeing you swing and swing plane.

My guess A push means you are not getting the club back around to the left (for a righty). Think of a pull hitter in baseball really getting your left side all the way around

There are no straight lines in golf unless you are Moe Norman

Rohirrim
03-09-2010, 07:39 AM
Actually Rohirrim is more correct here. If you're wrists aren't getting set on the takeaway the club and arms have a tendency to go straight back which pulls the arms away from the body on the backswing (a common thing when people are trying for more distance). Tiger does this all the time.

When the arms drift out from the body going back they tend to collapse into the body coming down. Particularly with better players who drive with their legs. When the arms collapse the club drops way inside. The ball can only go two directions from there: straight right, or a sweeping hook.

Focus on getting your wrists set, and the club will work around the body like it's supposed to and release through the ball like it's supposed to.

Yep. But the key is the tension in the forearms which is what causes a lot of people to throw their arms out away from the body. Tom Watson always said that forearm tension was a swing killer.

PaintballCLE
03-09-2010, 08:03 AM
8 months?

I live in Ohio and you can easily play from April up through some nice days in October....that is 7 months of playable weather.

yeah i meant everyday playing, may-sept at best. The thing i hate about playing in sept and oct is all the leaves all over the course. Takes be forever to find the damn ball because its usually under a leaf. lol

PaintballCLE
03-09-2010, 08:04 AM
and i think i figured out the root of the problem........went to the range this morning.......was hitting the driver off grass with no tee just to see............the divot isn't heading straight........its slightly angled (1 o clock position) so thats the problem, now i just gotta figure out for sure whats causing it. lol thanks for the advice though.

Cito Pelon
03-09-2010, 08:13 AM
I have the same problem at times - straight as an arrow, but the ball goes at a 30-degree angle from where my feet are pointing.

I know what the problem is, too much right hand and arm. The right elbow is tucking into my ribs too much.

Sounds to me like you're just gonna have to get your swing right. Slow it down a little bit, concentrate on your left hand, wrist, arm doing the work. Don't let your right hand/arm get too much into the act.

CEH
03-09-2010, 08:16 AM
and i think i figured out the root of the problem........went to the range this morning.......was hitting the driver off grass with no tee just to see............the divot isn't heading straight........its slightly angled (1 o clock position) so thats the problem, now i just gotta figure out for sure whats causing it. lol thanks for the advice though.

Sound like either your body or forearms are rotating enough
My suggestion would be to try and really hook the ball. A really bad hook. Short 50 yard hooks
That will give you the opposite feeling of what you are doing now
Going to the extreme the other way is a techique Phil uses to find the happy medium.
Your brain will figure out pretty quicky where the happy medium should be

They said it takes 3 weeks to break a bad habit so be patient

Your divots should point straight or slightly left meaning your club is coming back inside instead of in to out ( a push)

Cito Pelon
03-09-2010, 08:19 AM
Hard to say without seeing your swing...could be your hips getting ahead of your hands or a number of other things. I'm by no means a master technician but I can usually help buddies tweak things.

Not sure if you've looked at these sites yet...You have to weed through the beginner tips, but there's a lot of stuff I've found helpful on here (last summer I worked on shaping my shots a lot and these two gave me a lot of tips)

http://www.pga.com/instruction/

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-instruction/?hj=xfs (use the lesson finder on the right)

Yah, that also. I let that happen sometimes on the shorter irons w/half swings and push it to the right the same way.

Cito Pelon
03-09-2010, 08:33 AM
Ball starts right (ie. push for right-handed players) = swing path coming too far from the inside with no clubhead release. Basically a push or pull that stays straight in that direction is a result of club path.

Ball starts straight and curves right (ie. slice, cut, fade) = face angle open at address (usually coupled with an over-the-top/out-to-in swing). Essentially if the ball starts straight but curves its usually a result of face angle.

Yup, that's how I push it on the drives. My right arm gets too involved, my right elbow tucks into my side and the swing is at an angle to my hips.

With irons and a half swing I sometimes get the same push, but in that case I know it's my hips getting too far ahead and that causes the right elbow to pull into my ribs too much - same result.

DarkHorse30
03-09-2010, 08:33 AM
PAY a pro. Go to a shrink if you're crazy and go to golf pro if you're slicing. You will "Trust" their advice because you paid for it.

Mr.Meanie
03-09-2010, 08:59 AM
Everyone is going to have their own tips and tricks that worked for them, but they won't necessarily work for you, and in fact they can screw you up worse.

Hire an instructor, and if he isn't helping find another one.

Pony Boy
03-09-2010, 09:19 AM
and i think i figured out the root of the problem........went to the range this morning.......was hitting the driver off grass with no tee just to see............the divot isn't heading straight........its slightly angled (1 o clock position) so thats the problem, now i just gotta figure out for sure whats causing it. lol thanks for the advice though.

I play golf with some old farts with low handicaps that will beat your brains out. They have terrible swings, strong grips, weak grips, baseball grips, flat swigs, too quick ....... you name it, but they all have one thing in common they somehow get the club face square and impact and keep it square till the ball comes off the face. Remember, the kiss of death in golf in when you say, I think I've figured it out....:wave:

ColoradoBuff
03-09-2010, 09:52 AM
loosen your grip and check your alignment with your feet/shoulders..maybe shorten your swing, but by doing that you will lose yardage but gain control. another thing...you may be doing what we call "short arming" it....meaning that you aren't accelerating thru the ball. swing thru it! hope that helps!

SoDak Bronco
03-09-2010, 10:00 AM
Quit..enjoy all the money and frustration you save.

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 10:59 AM
I have a hard time paying a "pro" for golf advice. I perfer to figure things out for myself. another thing about the pros I have used is they can't communicate properly. They use jargon and thats just not the way to be a good communicator.

DarkHorse30
03-09-2010, 01:14 PM
I have a hard time paying a "pro" for golf advice. I perfer to figure things out for myself. another thing about the pros I have used is they can't communicate properly. They use jargon and thats just not the way to be a good communicator.

You're paying him, tell him not to be so confusing....or play dumb, and ask a lot of questions. Tell him you want to work on ONE thing....not 15 (trying to get the most for your money)

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 02:00 PM
You're paying him, tell him not to be so confusing....or play dumb, and ask a lot of questions. Tell him you want to work on ONE thing....not 15 (trying to get the most for your money)

Yeah. I am at the point now where I am not going to get better unless I get help. I shoot right at 100, usually mid 90's. I think I could shave off roughly 15 strokes from my game permanently. But that's using cavity back clubs. I want to switch to all blades to make it even harder, but everybody I know tells me not to. Pussies.

Pony Boy
03-09-2010, 02:21 PM
Yeah. I am at the point now where I am not going to get better unless I get help. I shoot right at 100, usually mid 90's. I think I could shave off roughly 15 strokes from my game permanently. But that's using cavity back clubs. I want to switch to all blades to make it even harder, but everybody I know tells me not to. Pussies.

Sounds like you might be standing too close to the ball after you hit it.........

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 02:26 PM
Sounds like you might be standing too close to the ball after you hit it.........

Huh? You mean like I jump forward whilst I make my swing?

Pony Boy
03-09-2010, 02:38 PM
Yeah. I am at the point now where I am not going to get better unless I get help. I shoot right at 100, usually mid 90's. I think I could shave off roughly 15 strokes from my game permanently. But that's using cavity back clubs. I want to switch to all blades to make it even harder, but everybody I know tells me not to. Pussies.

Most golfers shooting around 90 are missing the green on their regulation shot coming in. Usually not by much 5 to 10 yards and if you work really hard on getting that shot up and down you will be shooting low 80's in no time. I visualize the area around the pin to be the size of a wash-tub (3 foot). I try to always get the ball inside the wash-tub. The key is drill that 3 or 4 foot putt into the hole. Don't be a p***Y on those short putts.

Pony Boy
03-09-2010, 02:43 PM
Huh? You mean like I jump forward whilst I make my swing?

It's an old golf joke .. Read it again....ROFL!

Sounds like you might be standing too close to the ball after you hit it.........

strafen
03-09-2010, 02:57 PM
Posture, alignment, and steady head. My three swing keys to a better golf.

Posture: Bend your knees, stick out your butt, and straighten your back. You cannot make a proper golf swing with a hunch in your back. Bend those knees. Important to be in an athletic position. It should almost feel like you are sticking your ass out too far.

Alignment: Most people naturally align themselves too far to the right. Make sure to pick out a target a few yards in front of the ball.

Steady head: Don't lock your head in place but try to keep it as quiet as possible. I have found a lot of my problems come from too much up and down motion. Keeping the head still emphasizes rotation around your core.

This assumes there is no problem with your grip.

My pro I only work with 3 or 4 times a year got these fixed for me and it has changed everything for me. If he doesn't work on your grip, posture, and alignment first he is not worth his salt as a pro.

Good post.
It's tough to stay with the fundamentals if you've never had any previous training.
I was lucky the first time I picked up a set of clubs, I had a friend to teach me from the get go before I deveolped bad habits.
Still, I suck at golf! :wiggle:

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 03:00 PM
Most golfers shooting around 90 are missing the green on their regulation shot coming in. Usually not by much 5 to 10 yards and if you work really hard on getting that shot up and down you will be shooting low 80's in no time. I visualize the area around the pin to be the size of a wash-tub (3 foot). I try to always get the ball inside the wash-tub. The key is drill that 3 or 4 foot putt into the hole. Don't be a p***Y on those short putts.

I hit the PW about 105 and I am deadly with it. My approach shots...more or less are great provided I know exact distance. My problems are off the tee. I have totally stopped using a driver and a 3 wood. I just cannot control them. I literally, and Orange4life can attest, drive with a 2i.,..which I can hit all day long.

My putting came along last season when I switched to a Newport 1.5. I know it's not the effing putter,but I just have so much confidence with it.

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 03:00 PM
It's an old golf joke .. Read it again....ROFL!

Sounds like you might be standing too close to the ball after you hit it.........

haha I saw that, but lately with the driver I end up falling foward.

Pony Boy
03-09-2010, 03:27 PM
I hit the PW about 105 and I am deadly with it. My approach shots...more or less are great provided I know exact distance. My problems are off the tee. I have totally stopped using a driver and a 3 wood. I just cannot control them. I literally, and Orange4life can attest, drive with a 2i.,..which I can hit all day long.

My putting came along last season when I switched to a Newport 1.5. I know it's not the effing putter,but I just have so much confidence with it.

I play golf 5 days a week weather permitting and have an 8 handicap. The one thing I know for a fact is most guys lie about how far they hit a driver. I average 230 to 240 with a driver, but keep it in or near the fairway. A great drive with the wind at my back might be 260. After my drive on a par 4, I'm usually 160 to 140 coming in on my second shot. If you have a club off the tee box that will put you 150 coming in, you can shoot low 80's and that will beat 95% of the guys at your course.

Garcia Bronco
03-09-2010, 03:49 PM
With a driver I hit about 220 with altitude. 3 wood 200 to 210. 3 wood off the deck and 2i teed up are about the same at 190. Best score ever was an 89 at springhill par 64(doh!). All those distances are hitting it on the screws.

chaz
03-09-2010, 11:24 PM
Actually Rohirrim is more correct here. If you're wrists aren't getting set on the takeaway the club and arms have a tendency to go straight back which pulls the arms away from the body on the backswing (a common thing when people are trying for more distance). Tiger does this all the time.

When the arms drift out from the body going back they tend to collapse into the body coming down. Particularly with better players who drive with their legs. When the arms collapse the club drops way inside. The ball can only go two directions from there: straight right, or a sweeping hook.

Focus on getting your wrists set, and the club will work around the body like it's supposed to and release through the ball like it's supposed to.

Misunderstand. I though he was talking about cocking your wrists to start your swing.

chaz
03-09-2010, 11:25 PM
Yeah. I am at the point now where I am not going to get better unless I get help. I shoot right at 100, usually mid 90's. I think I could shave off roughly 15 strokes from my game permanently. But that's using cavity back clubs. I want to switch to all blades to make it even harder, but everybody I know tells me not to. Pussies.

Those must be some magical cavity-backs! LOL

I wanted to switch to blades last summer to but got talked out of it. Felt exactly like a pussy walking out of the store without them.

Pony Boy
03-10-2010, 09:19 AM
Those must be some magical cavity-backs! LOL

I wanted to switch to blades last summer to but got talked out of it. Felt exactly like a p***Y walking out of the store without them.

Blades are must have if you want to work the ball right and left, but most of us guys are just trying to hit the ball toward the target, cavity backs are the only way for me....... and my driver looks like a bowling ball on a stick..... bigger the better.

Also a pro told me he can take 10 strokes off most average golfers game by taking the lob wedge out of their bag ......

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2010, 09:44 AM
Also a pro told me he can take 10 strokes off most average golfers game by taking the lob wedge out of their bag ......

I never, ever use mine.

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2010, 09:48 AM
Those must be some magical cavity-backs! LOL

I wanted to switch to blades last summer to but got talked out of it. Felt exactly like a p***Y walking out of the store without them.

When you have to take a drop on 6-7 holes, and hit slices and hooks off the tee leaving bad shots...**** yeah I think I can. Regardless I think I can get down in the 80's depending on the slope of the course I am playing.

chaz
03-10-2010, 11:53 AM
Blades are must have if you want to work the ball right and left, but most of us guys are just trying to hit the ball toward the target, cavity backs are the only way for me....... and my driver looks like a bowling ball on a stick..... bigger the better.

Also a pro told me he can take 10 strokes off most average golfers game by taking the lob wedge out of their bag ......

I agree about workability, although I can still shape shots with my r7's. The biggest thing is forgiveness, as blades require a high level of precision and consistency in your swing and I'm not at the point.

Interesting about the 60 degree...I really like mine and have good luck with it. That's likely out of necessity though, because my approach shots inevitably leave me with little green to work with.

chaz
03-10-2010, 11:54 AM
When you have to take a drop on 6-7 holes, and hit slices and hooks off the tee leaving bad shots...**** yeah I think I can. Regardless I think I can get down in the 80's depending on the slope of the course I am playing.

I wasn't inferring you couldn't shave off strokes, I just don't think the clubs will do it for you. New clubs + same old swing isn't the recipe for lower scores. But yes, I think just about anyone can shoot in the 80's if they want to put in the time.

Garcia Bronco
03-10-2010, 12:01 PM
I wasn't inferring you couldn't shave off strokes, I just don't think the clubs will do it for you. New clubs + same old swing isn't the recipe for lower scores. But yes, I think just about anyone can shoot in the 80's if they want to put in the time.

I didn't say they would. I said professional help would do it. I was just pointing out that I use CB clubs, which I think are kind of whimpy.

Pony Boy
03-10-2010, 01:34 PM
I agree about workability, although I can still shape shots with my r7's. The biggest thing is forgiveness, as blades require a high level of precision and consistency in your swing and I'm not at the point.

Interesting about the 60 degree...I really like mine and have good luck with it. That's likely out of necessity though, because my approach shots inevitably leave me with little green to work with.

R7's are great irons but get fitted. I play Callaway X-18's and I got fitted while out in Las Vegas. I went 2 degrees upright and 1" longer on my shafts, it made a huge difference. It cost me $50. to get on the machine and get fitted, can't beat that.