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bronco militia
03-05-2010, 11:40 AM
Schefter was just on ESPN said Seattle is very highly likely to sign Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet. If they do Denver will get 7 days to match and if they choose not to, they will get the 6th pick in the draft.

Archer81
03-05-2010, 11:41 AM
Craziness to soon ensue...


:Broncos:

KCStud
03-05-2010, 11:41 AM
Schefter was just on ESPN said Seattle is very highly likely to sign Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet. If they do Denver will get 7 days to match and if they choose not to, they will get the 6th pick in the draft.

They will choose other compensation. No player in Free Agency is worth the 6th overall pick

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 11:41 AM
so the other thread is now moot?

Dagmar
03-05-2010, 11:42 AM
#6 eh?

Marshall rotting at the Seahawks eh?

What's the downside?

Requiem
03-05-2010, 11:42 AM
I am so hard right now.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 11:42 AM
They will choose other compensation. No player in Free Agency is worth the 6th overall pick

Marshall is. If Marshall was put into the draft, you think he lasts 6 picks? youre crazy

Broncobiv
03-05-2010, 11:42 AM
This saddens me. It's unlikely that we'll be able to get lucky enough to draft someone with the physical tools and game-changing ability that BMarsh possesses. Plus now we'll have to PAY a #6 overall pick (unless we trade down). I'll miss you Marshall!

24champ
03-05-2010, 11:43 AM
I am so hard right now.

As am I.


Bye Bye Marshall.:welcome:

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-05-2010, 11:43 AM
Good lord.

Killericon
03-05-2010, 11:45 AM
If we match, I'm going to kill everyone in the Broncos front office. I'm dead serious.

[For the FBI people reading, I'm kidding. Kind of. I'm also Canadian]

WolfpackGuy
03-05-2010, 11:45 AM
Man, trade down that 6 unless Suh impossibly falls out of the top 5.

Triplelefthook
03-05-2010, 11:46 AM
They will choose other compensation. No player in Free Agency is worth the 6th overall pick

keep in mind they already have another first round pick (from us) at #14.

i hope Bowlen is financially prepared to pay two first rounders this year....

Archer81
03-05-2010, 11:46 AM
I am so hard right now.


HAHAHAHAHA...I feel the same way...but didnt think I should share.


:rofl:


:Broncos:

UberBroncoMan
03-05-2010, 11:46 AM
Marshall is. If Marshall was put into the draft, you think he lasts 6 picks? youre crazy

^ this.

Would you rather pay a #6 draft pick and potential bust a **** ton of money or pray good money for a massive sized young super star WR.

This is an absolute no-brain move and we better match it.

24champ
03-05-2010, 11:47 AM
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jimmy-clausen.jpg

*WARHORSE*
03-05-2010, 11:47 AM
I can see them giving up the 6th pick............especially if they dont want to pay Marshall AND a sixth pick.

Thing is, is there a player at 14 they know they want without having to pay 6 money?

If its an OT theyre looking for, then the answer is yes.

Ambiguous
03-05-2010, 11:47 AM
Marshall is. If Marshall was put into the draft, you think he lasts 6 picks? youre crazy

I agree with you 100%, I don't understand why anyone would get excited about this.

Problem is, if we are paying him 2-3 milliion, what Marshall are we going to get? I'm not sure if that Marshall would go sixth.

I'm completely on the fence on this for the record.

gtown
03-05-2010, 11:47 AM
If there is an elite QB at 6, or we package 6 and 11 for a shot at someone like Bradford, this might be worth it.

I still want to keep Marshall, but #6 gives you lots of options.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-05-2010, 11:47 AM
Who's throwing the ball in Seattle these days? He'll get paid, that's for sure, but will he be able to catch 100 passes in that situation?

titan
03-05-2010, 11:47 AM
Does Seattle have to give us the #6 pick as opposed to our own #14 pick in the first round which the Seahawks also own? It would be great to have #6 - I just wondered in the free agent details if a team has two #1's do they have to give up the earliest pick?

OOJack
03-05-2010, 11:48 AM
PHUCK $HIT PHUCK $HIT SOAB! Clausen?

Archer81
03-05-2010, 11:48 AM
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jimmy-clausen.jpg


Ironic...you think if we get the 6th pick we draft Clausen?


:Broncos:

SoDak Bronco
03-05-2010, 11:49 AM
B Marsh in Seattle to sign an offer sheet???? Wow I am shocked, I wonder if this was in the works? Jeremy Bates in Seattle and knows how to work with BMarsh, this looks promising. I would love the #6 pick, we would be able to get 2 starters with 6 and 11.

WolfpackGuy
03-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Who's throwing the ball in Seattle these days? He'll get paid, that's for sure, but will he be able to catch 100 passes in that situation?

Wallace or Hasselbeck?

Archer81
03-05-2010, 11:49 AM
Does Seattle have to give us the #6 pick as opposed to our own #14 pick in the first round which the Seahawks also own? It would be great to have #6 - I just wondered in the free agent details if a team has two #1's do they have to give up the earliest pick?


The higher of the 2 first rounders. We would get the 6, unless Den and Sea come to some other arrangement.

:Broncos:

Ambiguous
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
Does Seattle have to give us the #6 pick as opposed to our own #14 pick in the first round which the Seahawks also own? It would be great to have #6 - I just wondered in the free agent details if a team has two #1's do they have to give up the earliest pick?

This place would be another epic meltdown if that happened. Phonz straight up for Marshall? I could totally see this happening, btw.

no-pseudo-fan
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
Does Seattle have to give us the #6 pick as opposed to our own #14 pick in the first round which the Seahawks also own? It would be great to have #6 - I just wondered in the free agent details if a team has two #1's do they have to give up the earliest pick?

Yes they would.

They have to give their original pick.

That's why Chicago can not sign any RFA to an offersheet that has a 1st or 2nd round tender. They would have to trade something to us for their 1st back than sign the player to an offersheet.

strafen
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
Schefter was just on ESPN said Seattle is very highly likely to sign Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet. If they do Denver will get 7 days to match and if they choose not to, they will get the 6th pick in the draft.

What story from Schefter do we believe?

Adam expects Marshall to be back in Denver, unhappy at his $2.5 million tender offer.

Ray Finkle
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
if they could do that and come up with 2 or these, I'd be turgid for weeks.

Dan Williams
McClain
Berry
Iuptai
One of the Tackles....

titan
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
How about trading 6 and 11 for Suh? Or is that enough?

Requiem
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
If Denver got the #6 I'd be surprised. My guess is that the Seahawks land Bradford or Clausen with that selection and trade us #14 and another selection for Marshall.

WolfpackGuy
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
Ironic...you think if we get the 6th pick we draft Clausen?


:Broncos:

God, I hope not.

I don't like any of this year's QB's enough to draft one highly.

KCStud
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
Marshall is. If Marshall was put into the draft, you think he lasts 6 picks? youre crazy

With the baggage he carries, yes he would IMO. I could see them trading 14, but not 6.

Btw-Marshall is expected to be in Seattle Saturday for an offer sheet per Schefter

TD30
03-05-2010, 11:51 AM
Match whatever they offer without The Beast there is no offense. Not like Denver is going to pay the 6 pick in the draft they would probably trade out of the 1st all together not to mention there is no one in the draft worth paying a 6 seed for. Obviously Seattle understands that.

jebures
03-05-2010, 11:51 AM
Ironic...you think if we get the 6th pick we draft Clausen?


:Broncos:

I dont want that bag of deuche

UberBroncoMan
03-05-2010, 11:51 AM
B Marsh in Seattle to sign an offer sheet???? Wow I am shocked, I wonder if this was in the works? Jeremy Bates in Seattle and knows how to work with BMarsh, this looks promising. I would love the #6 pick, we would be able to get 2 starters with 6 and 11.

So giving up a pro-bowl caliber starter to get a "shoulda coulda" starter at 6 is smart?

KCStud
03-05-2010, 11:51 AM
And losing Marshall pretty much makes your offense below average. But keep getting rid of your best players. The rest of the division isn't complaining :thumbsup:

Dagmar
03-05-2010, 11:52 AM
pink puppy belli $HIT pink puppy belli $HIT SOAB! Clausen?

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/wtf_cat.jpg

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 11:52 AM
I hope we match it. And i dont think he'd last till 6. He's a proven commodity.

Ambiguous
03-05-2010, 11:52 AM
What story from Schefter do we believe?

This is the more recent one isn't it? Schefter is usually the most reliable out there.

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 11:53 AM
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

24champ
03-05-2010, 11:53 AM
Ironic...you think if we get the 6th pick we draft Clausen?


:Broncos:

Yep. It's already been stated that the Broncos would like to draft a QB. Clausen fits the type of QB McDaniels is looking for. Already played in a watered down version of his offense with Weis.

It's a no brainer.

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 11:54 AM
Oh boy -- Brandon Marshall expected to be in Seattle on Saturday to visit the Seahawks and see if they can hammer out an offer sheet.

6 minutes ago via web If Seattle signs Brandon Marshall to the offer sheet, Broncos would have seven days to match -- or get back the draft's sixth overall pick.

18 minutes ago via web Filed to ESPN: Seattle is strongly considering signing Broncos restricted free-agent WR Brandon Marshall. A huge move.
22 minutes ago via UberTwitter

bowtown
03-05-2010, 11:54 AM
if they could do that and come up with 2 or these, I'd be turgid for weeks.

Dan Williams
McClain
Berry
Iuptai
One of the Tackles....

I j&stt ruI^ed m)y ke)yb*6rd.

TD30
03-05-2010, 11:55 AM
just stupid we trade all of the talent to pick up a less talented QB than we had a year ago.

Smiling Assassin27
03-05-2010, 11:55 AM
In the words of Jean Luc Picard, 'Make it so, Number One.'

jhns
03-05-2010, 11:56 AM
How about trading 6 and 11 for Suh? Or is that enough?

I would jizz all over myself if that happened.

I say we trade into the top 4 picks if we get 6. We could gaurantee ourselves Suh, Bradford, or Berry. I want them all pretty bad. I would take them in that order.

Florida_Bronco
03-05-2010, 11:57 AM
As am I.


Bye Bye Marshall.:welcome:

Hey Brandon,

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/gifsforgrace/Entourage-GTFO.gif

Killericon
03-05-2010, 11:57 AM
Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)
Oh boy -- Brandon Marshall expected to be in Seattle on Saturday to visit the Seahawks and see if they can hammer out an offer sheet.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q38/usnf/success.gif

Pony Boy
03-05-2010, 11:58 AM
I am so hard right now.

So is Gaffney ........

Archer81
03-05-2010, 11:59 AM
Jizz, Hardons, ruined keyboards...thus passes Brandon, son of Rick James...


:Broncos:

BroncoSojia
03-05-2010, 11:59 AM
adam_schefter (http://twitter.com/adam_schefter)
oh boy -- brandon marshall expected to be in seattle on saturday to visit the seahawks and see if they can hammer out an offer sheet.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q38/usnf/success.gif


rofl! Rofl! Rofl!

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:00 PM
So glad I only have one more hour left at work. I know exactly what I'm doing when I am off the clock.

PortisFanForever
03-05-2010, 12:01 PM
it would be the #6 for sure? on rotoworld.com on the story it says it would be the 14

hope it would be the six

supermanhr9
03-05-2010, 12:02 PM
Do it!!!

Dagmar
03-05-2010, 12:03 PM
Someone is asking me this can someone answer.

I know Seattle cannot do this but, what is the rule that stops them trading away the number 6 for the 32 and more picks and leaving us with the crappy pick?

Just want to know the official rule.

KCStud
03-05-2010, 12:03 PM
Hey Brandon,

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/gifsforgrace/Entourage-GTFO.gif

Props on the vid Florida. I love Entourage, Ari especially.

Archer81
03-05-2010, 12:03 PM
it would be the #6 for sure? on rotoworld.com on the story it says it would be the 14

hope it would be the six


Its the 6. Unless Denver and Seattle work out something else.


:Broncos:

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 12:03 PM
it would be the #6 for sure? on rotoworld.com on the story it says it would be the 14

hope it would be the six

my guess is the six. I dont think they can pick and choose in this case. I assume signing the offersheet surrenders YOUR first round pick, not just any pick you have. That said, they could strike a deal with the broncos for whatever.

or..we could resign him

Great13
03-05-2010, 12:04 PM
What if we trade down from #6.... maybe with SF for 13 and 17 or whatever they have. Then we would have 3 1st round picks outside of the top ten but inside the top twenty. We could take our pick of 3 of the following players....

Dan Williams
Sean Weatherspoon
McClain
Taylor Mays
Iupati
Spiller
Bryant

I'd take Williams Mays and Weatherspoon. We can take a C/G in the 2nd round. Although I'm a little weary of Mays... but I think Dawkins and some good NFL coaching could do him good.

WolfpackGuy
03-05-2010, 12:04 PM
Someone is asking me this can someone answer.

I know Seattle cannot do this but, what is the rule that stops them trading away the number 6 for the 32 and more picks and leaving us with the crappy pick?

Just want to know the official rule.

Hope the Seattle FO isn't reading this board.

That would suck.

LOL

ward63
03-05-2010, 12:04 PM
It has to be the 6th b/c that is what they have earned

BlueCrusher
03-05-2010, 12:05 PM
Isn't BM's next girlfriend smack an 8 game suspension or something like that?

Dagmar
03-05-2010, 12:05 PM
Hope the Seattle FO isn't reading this board.

That would suck.

LOL

Pretty sure there is a rule in place to prevent it, was wondering if anyone knew it (Requiem? SoCal?)

It would suck indeed!

chex
03-05-2010, 12:05 PM
my guess is the six. I dont think they can pick and choose in this case. I assume signing the offersheet surrenders YOUR first round pick, not just any pick you have. That said, they could strike a deal with the broncos for whatever.

or..we could resign him

Well, if this is true and Marshall signs, there's nothing to strike. The terms are 1st rounder. Why would we want anything less?

Ziggy
03-05-2010, 12:06 PM
Someone is asking me this can someone answer.

I know Seattle cannot do this but, what is the rule that stops them trading away the number 6 for the 32 and more picks and leaving us with the crappy pick?

Just want to know the official rule.

The rule is that a team signing a player to an offer sheet has to give up thier own pick, unless a trade is worked out between the 2 teams.

gtown
03-05-2010, 12:07 PM
Seattle is gonna back up the truck for BMarsh and I bet we don't match it. We should have put the higher tender on this guy. We could get the sixth pick and a high third rounder - in one of the deepest drafts on record.

*WARHORSE*
03-05-2010, 12:07 PM
If Denver got the #6 I'd be surprised. My guess is that the Seahawks land Bradford or Clausen with that selection and trade us #14 and another selection for Marshall.


Possibly, but they need an OT too.

Not only that, but Houshyomama without someone on the other side of him is an average WR.

Put Brandon in there, along with the kid TE who is a very good receiver, and an OT to protect Hassellbeck, and its a new offense.

Anyone think Carroll is focused on offense?

You know he is, and he aint waiting for a young QB to develope.

Dagmar
03-05-2010, 12:08 PM
The rule is that a team signing a player to an offer sheet has to give up thier own pick, unless a trade is worked out between the 2 teams.

http://forum.football365.com/images/smiley_icons/5.gif

Garcia Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:08 PM
This saddens me. It's unlikely that we'll be able to get lucky enough to draft someone with the physical tools and game-changing ability that BMarsh possesses. Plus now we'll have to PAY a #6 overall pick (unless we trade down). I'll miss you Marshall!

He's a blight on our community. Get him out of here.

Garcia Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Isn't BM's next girlfriend smack an 8 game suspension or something like that?

Correct or worse

chex
03-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Seattle is gonna back up the truck for BMarsh and I bet we don't match it. We should have put the higher tender on this guy. We could get the sixth pick and a high third rounder - in one of the deepest drafts on record.

Maybe.

Maybe also Seattle would find giving up the 6th pick, a boatload of cash, AND a 3rd rounder too much to consider.

Ziggy
03-05-2010, 12:09 PM
It's hard to believe that they would give up the #6 pick in the draft, but I think the Broncos would take it in a heartbeat. I think they'd even take #14 fo him. If they wanted to keep him here, they would have tendered him to a 1st and 3rd. I don't buy the whole theory that the Hawks don't want to pay Marshall and the 6th pick. We're talking about billionaire Paul Allen here.

Archer81
03-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Possibly, but they need an OT too.

Not only that, but Houshyomama without someone on the other side of him is an average WR.

Put Brandon in there, along with the kid TE who is a very good receiver, and an OT to protect Hassellbeck, and its a new offense.

Anyone think Carroll is focused on offense?

You know he is, and he aint waiting for a young QB to develope.


John Carlson? from ND.


:Broncos:

cutthemdown
03-05-2010, 12:09 PM
Wow with the 6th pick Broncos would be major players in the draft.

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 12:09 PM
!Booya!

Garcia Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:10 PM
Seattle is gonna back up the truck for BMarsh and I bet we don't match it. We should have put the higher tender on this guy. We could get the sixth pick and a high third rounder - in one of the deepest drafts on record.

This draft isn't deeper than the one Marshall came out of.....

WolfpackGuy
03-05-2010, 12:10 PM
Well, ****.

Get that 14 back and take their 40 pick.

I just hope the Broncos don't have their eye on a QB.

underrated29
03-05-2010, 12:10 PM
guys there is no way they give up the 6th....I pray they do, but think of it if you were the seahaks. Why would you... No one else is calling for him. They will work something out and we are going to get boned..

SoDak Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:11 PM
Jeremy Bates+ Paul Allen's $ = BMARSH to Seattle

24champ
03-05-2010, 12:12 PM
guys there is no way they give up the 6th....I pray they do, but think of it if you were the seahaks. Why would you... No one else is calling for him. They will work something out and we are going to get boned..

Money. They aren't going to pay Marshall and the 6th round pick a truck load of money.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 12:12 PM
guys there is no way they give up the 6th....I pray they do, but think of it if you were the seahaks. Why would you... No one else is calling for him. They will work something out and we are going to get boned..

They would have to because it's the rules. If Brandon signs the contract and we don't match it, then we get the pick. End of story. Denver doesn't have to work anything out.

cutthemdown
03-05-2010, 12:13 PM
Seattle is gonna back up the truck for BMarsh and I bet we don't match it. We should have put the higher tender on this guy. We could get the sixth pick and a high third rounder - in one of the deepest drafts on record.

Broncos did a great job on the tenders IMO. They accurately reflect the players value not only on the field but how much they think the player buys into the system.

There is a chance that no team would be interested also giving the 3rd.

In many ways 2nd and 3rd round picks are the most coveted. Still top 100 talent, but so much cheaper you can build depth with them.

Beantown Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:13 PM
guys there is no way they give up the 6th....I pray they do, but think of it if you were the seahaks. Why would you... No one else is calling for him. They will work something out and we are going to get boned..

Ummmm, how do you know this? An hour ago, supposedly nobody was. Now we're hearing that the Hawks are putting in an offer and Marshall is supposedly flying out there tonight or tomorrow morning. In another hour, we could hear about 5 other teams jumping in. In short, half the league could be calling and we'd have no way of knowing right now.

Don't concede a lack of market so quickly.

Pony Boy
03-05-2010, 12:14 PM
Just glad he won't be able to wear #7

Ziggy
03-05-2010, 12:14 PM
This draft isn't deeper than the one Marshall came out of.....

As long as you're looking into that crystal ball, can you tell me who the Broncos take at 11?

Popps
03-05-2010, 12:15 PM
Fri 1:50 pm – Schefter is now reporting that Marshall will be in Seattle tomorrow to get a deal finished. Broncos looking good to have two first round picks this year.

Good lord, this sounds serious.

Please, please... PLEASE let this happen.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:16 PM
This draft isn't deeper than the one Marshall came out of.....

This is easily the best draft in a decade.

eddie mac
03-05-2010, 12:16 PM
I see a deal involving Hawthorne.

TheDave
03-05-2010, 12:17 PM
With Bates Jr. there as a coach Seattle knows exactly what they are getting into... Unless there has been some talk behind the scenes for a sign and trade, it sure looks like we are getting #6.

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 12:17 PM
I say let's have an all Tennessee first round: Eric Berry and Dan Williams. ;D

Archer81
03-05-2010, 12:18 PM
Fri 1:50 pm Schefter is now reporting that Marshall will be in Seattle tomorrow to get a deal finished. Broncos looking good to have two first round picks this year.

Good lord, this sounds serious.

Please, please... PLEASE let this happen.


This.

If Brandon is worried about living in Denver, and the Broncos can get something of value for him, do it.

Of course...the coffee gangs in Seattle are pretty harsh...

:Broncos:

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:19 PM
I personally wish Brandon would be ours forever, but we might as well get value for him while we can. I think it was evident he was bound to move on all things considered.

jebures
03-05-2010, 12:19 PM
This.

If Brandon is worried about living in Denver, and the Broncos can get something of value for him, do it.

Of course...the coffee gangs in Seattle are pretty harsh...

:Broncos:

well our offense has just gone from mediocre to aboslute trash, marshall was our only weapon last year. McD better make a move to get a weapon offense or he will be losing me as a supporter and i am sure others as well.

Florida_Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:19 PM
Just glad he won't be able to wear #7

I hope he takes #6. That way I can laugh when he's outperforming anything Cutler ever did. Plus I can modify my authentic Cutler jersey to be a Clausen jersey. :giggle:

chex
03-05-2010, 12:20 PM
They would have to because it's the rules. If Brandon signs the contract and we don't match it, then we get the pick. End of story. Denver doesn't have to work anything out.

Not only that, why would we settle for anything less than what is owed? Why work out a special deal to get lower picks? I'd just match the damn sheet then.

NFLBRONCO
03-05-2010, 12:20 PM
If this happens and Suh McCoy and Berry are gone I hope we trade down

Greatspirits
03-05-2010, 12:20 PM
Just came from the Seahawks board and there not happy!
http://www.seahawkshuddle.com/forum/talkin-hawks/4203-reports-brandon-marshal-hawks.html

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 12:20 PM
I call it right now, if the Broncos are at #6, somebody will jump above us to grab Clausen.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:22 PM
Man I got a fever. 30 more minutes until I'm off work. Then it is off to Las Vegas. In search of strippers and cocaine.

ND Bronco Fan
03-05-2010, 12:23 PM
I cant be any more excited than I am right now........#6 for Marshall, that opens up so many possibilities for that first round.

DenverBrit
03-05-2010, 12:23 PM
This.

If Brandon is worried about living in Denver, and the Broncos can get something of value for him, do it.

Of course...the coffee gangs in Seattle are pretty harsh...

:Broncos:

Just one winter in Seattle will send BM off the edge.

Film at 11.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:24 PM
At least I can go watch him play with Seattle if I move to that area of the country. I like Seattle. GO MARINERS!

BRANDON MARSHALL TO PLAY RF for THE MARINERS!!!

mellow mood
03-05-2010, 12:25 PM
I say let's have an all Tennessee first round: Eric Berry and Dan Williams.

that would be fantastic!!

i wouldn't even mind boldin for a third either

underrated29
03-05-2010, 12:25 PM
Ummmm, how do you know this? An hour ago, supposedly nobody was. Now we're hearing that the Hawks are putting in an offer and Marshall is supposedly flying out there tonight or tomorrow morning. In another hour, we could hear about 5 other teams jumping in. In short, half the league could be calling and we'd have no way of knowing right now.

Don't concede a lack of market so quickly.



I will be the first to eat my words with pleasure.... But whats in if for seattle?

You know since he has been flown out there they that are serious and do not want him to leave, but why wouldnt you swing the #14 and something for him.... They need an OT and QB in the worst way. OT they might be able to find at 14, not QB.


But for the sake of this conversation and the broncos I effing hope you are right.

chex
03-05-2010, 12:26 PM
If this happens and Suh McCoy and Berry are gone I hope we trade down

What I would do if we do get the #6 is, try to work out a deal to the top 3, as KC & Wash won't want to help us.

Trade down the #11 to a lower first rounder and additional picks.

Swap #3 for #6 and the later first rounder, and at least we would have already gotten something for that 2nd first rounder to begin with.

EDIT: This is assuming we're targeting one specific player.

dbfan21
03-05-2010, 12:26 PM
Wow. This is nuts. Schefter is usually right, so it appears BMarsh is as good as gone. I would love to see what we could do with #6 and #11...as long as those picks are used on interior OL and the DL.

If we draft Clausen, I'll poop a leprechaun and throw it at Dove Valley HQ's. And, for the love of Pete, don't draft Dez!

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:27 PM
Seattle wants Okung but Washington is grabbing him. They can get Boogalogo from Iowa at #14 and STFU. #6 is mine. I am drafting Tim Hiller at #6. QB.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 12:28 PM
I will be the first to eat my words with pleasure.... But whats in if for seattle?

You know since he has been flown out there they that are serious and do not want him to leave, but why wouldnt you swing the #14 and something for him.... They need an OT and QB in the worst way. OT they might be able to find at 14, not QB.


But for the sake of this conversation and the broncos I effing hope you are right.

But why would Denver take that, epecially right way? There is a lot of days in FA left. We are in the driver's seat. We can just keep Brandon if we have to. If Seattle wants him badly enough and don't want to risk other bidders, they can pay full price.

DenverBrit
03-05-2010, 12:28 PM
Interesting take.


Quiet in free agency, the Seahawks are readying to make a big splash on the trade market.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Seahawks are strongly considering signing Broncos wideout Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet.

If the Seahawks signed Marshall and the Broncos didn't match the contract, Seattle would owe Denver the No. 6 overall pick in the draft. But that's not very likely to happen.

The Seahawks and Broncos can negotiate to send lesser trade compensation more befitting Marshall's value.

Seattle owns the No. 14 pick in the draft, which they got from Denver last year. They probably would have to use that in a trade unless they could convince the Broncos to take less.

Either way, Schefter writes Seattle is "absolutely" preparing to make a run at Marshall. There doesn't appear to be a lot of competition for him, so we don't see why it can't happen.

Then again, maybe the release of this report is aimed at creating more competition for Marshall's services.

UPDATE: Marshall is expected to visit Seattle Saturday. They aren't messing around.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/seahawks-strongly-considering-a-move-for-marshall/?related=1

Beantown Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:28 PM
well our offense has just gone from mediocre to aboslute trash, marshall was our only weapon last year. McD better make a move to get a weapon offense or he will be losing me as a supporter and i am sure others as well.

Please. A healthy (and/or upgraded) OLine and Moreno alone will ensure that the 2010 Broncos offense will score more points than the 2009 Broncos offense.

NFLBRONCO
03-05-2010, 12:29 PM
Seattle wants Okung but Washington is grabbing him. They can get Boogalogo from Iowa at #14 and STFU. #6 is mine. I am drafting Tim Hiller at #6. QB.

You think Claussen at 6 would be McD's target?

Popps
03-05-2010, 12:30 PM
Oh boy -- Brandon Marshall expected to be in Seattle on Saturday to visit the Seahawks and see if they can hammer out an offer sheet.

Schefter tweet.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 12:30 PM
You think Claussen at 6 would be McD's target?

I pray to God he's not. I think we would try hard to trade out of that pick.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:32 PM
You think Claussen at 6 would be McD's target?

If we are unable to get Suh or McCoy, I'd have to believe so. I can't see us taking another player in the top ten other than a quarterback if we stay at #6. Even though I'm not a huge Clausen fan, it makes a lot of sense.

snowspot66
03-05-2010, 12:32 PM
Interesting take.


Quiet in free agency, the Seahawks are readying to make a big splash on the trade market.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Seahawks are strongly considering signing Broncos wideout Brandon Marshall to an offer sheet.

If the Seahawks signed Marshall and the Broncos didn't match the contract, Seattle would owe Denver the No. 6 overall pick in the draft. But that's not very likely to happen.

The Seahawks and Broncos can negotiate to send lesser trade compensation more befitting Marshall's value.

Seattle owns the No. 14 pick in the draft, which they got from Denver last year. They probably would have to use that in a trade unless they could convince the Broncos to take less.

Either way, Schefter writes Seattle is "absolutely" preparing to make a run at Marshall. There doesn't appear to be a lot of competition for him, so we don't see why it can't happen.

Then again, maybe the release of this report is aimed at creating more competition for Marshall's services.

UPDATE: Marshall is expected to visit Seattle Saturday. They aren't messing around.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/seahawks-strongly-considering-a-move-for-marshall/?related=1

Makes no sense. Either they don't sign him and we keep him or they sign and we get the #6. Seattle doesn't get to pick and choose. We're not going to take less just because they ask.

mellow mood
03-05-2010, 12:32 PM
as long as those picks are used on interior OL and the DL.

Seattle owns the No. 14 pick in the draft, which they got from Denver last year. They probably would have to use that in a trade unless they could convince the Broncos to take less.

well, d williams and m iupati would be very nice as well

chex
03-05-2010, 12:33 PM
Makes no sense. Either they don't sign him and we keep him or they sign and we get the #6. Seattle doesn't get to pick and choose.

I agree. How does Seattle get to be in a position of strength?

_Oro_
03-05-2010, 12:34 PM
This is the ideal scenario for the Broncos. Again we're going to get an awesome pick(s) for a high risk player.

Drek
03-05-2010, 12:37 PM
Makes no sense. Either they don't sign him and we keep him or they sign and we get the #6. Seattle doesn't get to pick and choose. We're not going to take less just because they ask.

I think that conversation would basically be "we'll take #6 or #14 and #40, your choice".

BroncosSR
03-05-2010, 12:37 PM
Why the heck do you guys want Marshall out of Denver? Because he has baggage? Who the hell doesn't have issues... Our coach has issues. So what? They guy can flat out play football. He's arguably the best receiver in the NFL. I just don't get it...

chickennob2
03-05-2010, 12:38 PM
Again, when signing an RFA, you have to give up a draft pick in the round at which the player was drafted higher than or equal to your natural pick. So we don't automatically get their pick. If, say, they had traded their pick, they could trade for any pick higher than their own (in this case the top 5), but their natural pick is the LOWEST compensation we could get.

I think you CAN trade for the last pick in the first round in the situation where you're signing a franchise player, which requires 2 firsts. But for a(n) RFA, it's a pick better than or equal to your natural pick.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:38 PM
Cause I want to draft Erick Deckert his i!

gunns
03-05-2010, 12:38 PM
I am so hard right now.

I'm whatever a female does!

ND Bronco Fan
03-05-2010, 12:38 PM
Why the heck do you guys want Marshall out of Denver? Because he has baggage? Who the hell doesn't have issues... Our coach has issues. So what? They guy can flat out play football. He's arguably the best receiver in the NFL. I just don't get it...

No denying he is talented as any wr in the NFL but one more brush with the law and the Broncos have a talented SUSPENDED receiver.

DrFate
03-05-2010, 12:39 PM
I agree. How does Seattle get to be in a position of strength?

It's called a trade. If Seattle is willing to deal a #1, but maybe not the #6 overall, and the Broncos are eager to move Marshall...

It isn't complicated...

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:39 PM
I'm whatever a female does!

Nice. :kiss:

broncocalijohn
03-05-2010, 12:39 PM
Man I got a fever. 30 more minutes until I'm off work. Then it is off to Las Vegas. In search of strippers and cocaine.

Dont forget midgets.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 12:40 PM
Who the hell doesn't have issues... Our coach has issues. So what?

Sorry, what issues off the field does our coach have?

Fusionfrontman
03-05-2010, 12:40 PM
I don't get it either. You are trading a pro bowler for a potential player that has proven nothing in the NFL.
Ugh it makes me sick. People are going to miss Marshall

long beach bronco
03-05-2010, 12:40 PM
If Marshall goes then we need to get some playmakers in here fast or this offense will really be well, offensive. I would love CJ Spiller and one of those Dlineman with two first round picks.

brother love
03-05-2010, 12:40 PM
If Schefter was right about the Rams taking Bradford then possibly both Qb's that Seattle might have wanted will be gone by #6. With so many good left tackles in this years draft they could surely get one of them at #14. Giving up the #6 pick for Marshall seems logical.

By the way if this goes down, here comes Jabbar Gaffney!

Sassy
03-05-2010, 12:41 PM
I'm whatever a female does!

Ha!

gunns
03-05-2010, 12:41 PM
Wow. This is nuts. Schefter is usually right, so it appears BMarsh is as good as gone. I would love to see what we could do with #6 and #11...as long as those picks are used on interior OL and the DL.

If we draft Clausen, I'll poop a leprechaun and throw it at Dove Valley HQ's. And, for the love of Pete, don't draft Dez!

Absolutely this.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:41 PM
I don't get it either. You are trading a pro bowler for a potential player that has proven nothing in the NFL.
Ugh it makes me sick. People are going to miss Marshall

Of course we'll miss his production.

I will personally miss him punting the ball at practice.

I just like draft picks.

OK?

chex
03-05-2010, 12:42 PM
It's called a trade. If Seattle is willing to deal a #1, but maybe not the #6 overall, and the Broncos are eager to move Marshall...

It isn't complicated...

Really? Wow. Thanks for the lesson. Uhh

The point I was making is WE hold the cards. Seattle doesn't get to decide what we get. We can just as well match the offer sheet if we wanted to. It's Denver's call all the way, all around.

SoDak Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:42 PM
i have a feeling this is too good to be true...Bmarsh for the #6 pick? I doubt we get that.

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 12:42 PM
some of these posters act like we've never discussed this before. ;D

crush17
03-05-2010, 12:42 PM
The Broncos will not be looking to get any more 1st round picks. The move to get Alphonso Smith last year was based on MONEY, and that's it. You can sugar coat it any way you like, but it was purely a financial move.

This franchise does not have the money to pay multiple 1st round picks in successive seasons.

Especially the number 6 overall pick. Marshall will be here next season playing for his tender salary unless for some reason they allow him to be traded for 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 12:43 PM
I'm whatever a female does!

We won't go there...


well, I will. :wiggle:

gyldenlove
03-05-2010, 12:44 PM
So within a few hours Schefter reported that no team was willing to give up a 1st rounder and that Seattle is looking at giving up the number 6 overall pick.

long beach bronco
03-05-2010, 12:44 PM
It seems the Broncos lose a great player every year. I wonder who it will be next year.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 12:44 PM
The Broncos will not be looking to get any more 1st round picks. The move to get Alphonso Smith last year was based on MONEY, and that's it. You can sugar coat it any way you like, but it was purely a financial move.

This franchise does not have the money to pay multiple 1st round picks in successive seasons.

Especially the number 6 overall pick. Marshall will be here next season playing for his tender salary unless for some reason they allow him to be traded for 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Or unless Seattle signs him to an offer sheet... which they are about to do.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:44 PM
Long Beach Bronco, I hope it is Kyle Ortin.

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 12:45 PM
Pete Carroll is telling everybody, "Don't worry about it. I can handle Brandon. No problemo."

no-pseudo-fan
03-05-2010, 12:46 PM
If I were in Denver's FO I would remember last year when Seattle insisted on our 1st round pick and do the same to them.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 12:46 PM
Pete Carroll is telling everybody, "Don't worry about it. I can handle Brandon. No problemo."

He's going to sing "Lean on Me" with him.

Requiem
03-05-2010, 12:47 PM
I think Brandon is excited to play in his first Rose Bowl.

Triplelefthook
03-05-2010, 12:47 PM
sometimes you guys try and be too smart for your own good. over-thinking this stuff.

Beantown Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:47 PM
Pete Carroll is telling everybody, "Don't worry about it. I can handle Brandon. No problemo."

No other NFL coach has more experience dealing with and talking to gang members than Pete Carroll. Maybe that is part of the attraction for Brandon.

DrFate
03-05-2010, 12:47 PM
The point I was making is WE hold the cards. Seattle doesn't get to decide what we get. We can just as well match the offer sheet if we wanted to. It's Denver's call all the way, all around.

Denver has had every opportunity to give Marshall a long-term, big money deal. They have decided not too. Everyone has agreed that's the bulk of Marshall's issue.

Matching the offer is, essentially, giving Marshall a long-term, big money deal. If they haven't yet, why would they now?

If the Seahags like what they hear in the interview, it's just a matter of compensation.

I'm not sure what sense it makes to deny Marshall the deal he wants, have someone show interest, and then throw a bunch of money at him.

This gives McDaniels the out he wants, Marshall is gone, and the Broncos get better-than-expected value. I don't see how this is anything but a good day for Dove Valley (assuming Marshall gives a good interview)

no-pseudo-fan
03-05-2010, 12:48 PM
If you think about it, Brandon is a Pete Carroll type of WR.

brother love
03-05-2010, 12:48 PM
Remember Jeremy Bates is Seattle's offensive coordinator. He has probably been in Carrol's ear about him.

chex
03-05-2010, 12:49 PM
The Broncos will not be looking to get any more 1st round picks. The move to get Alphonso Smith last year was based on MONEY, and that's it. You can sugar coat it any way you like, but it was purely a financial move.

This franchise does not have the money to pay multiple 1st round picks in successive seasons.

Especially the number 6 overall pick. Marshall will be here next season playing for his tender salary unless for some reason they allow him to be traded for 2nd and 3rd round picks.

I mentioned earlier that a benefit of the tender is someone else negotiates the deal, determining real market value. If we feel like it's money well spent, we can always match, and Marshall is happy with the contract since he already put his name on it.

From the Seattle side, perhaps their thinking is, the #6 is going to cost a ton of cash anyway, so they get themselves a (troubled) superstar, who is a beast. Maybe Carroll feels he can relate to Brandon better? I dunno. I can see their rationale though.

TDmvp
03-05-2010, 12:49 PM
God this place is stupid ... and to think at one point I thought Broncos fans was smarter then other teams fans.


I stand corrected ...

TD30
03-05-2010, 12:50 PM
So is Gaffney ........

Orton to Gaffney they excitement will never end...How many short yardage passes will we have next year.

chex
03-05-2010, 12:51 PM
I'm not sure what sense it makes to deny Marshall the deal he wants, have someone show interest, and then throw a bunch of money at him.



Because market value has been established. If Denver feels the terms are acceptable to them, they tell Seattle thanks for everything.

With all of Marshall's issues, Denver wants to see if the contract is worth any potential headaches. If not, we get a high draft pick.

jebures
03-05-2010, 12:51 PM
It seems the Broncos lose a great player every year. I wonder who it will be next year.

we have none left under 32

Beantown Bronco
03-05-2010, 12:52 PM
Orton to Gaffney they excitement will never end...How many short yardage passes will we have next year.

Gaffney consistently ran the deepest routes of any of our WRs last year.

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 12:53 PM
God this place is stupid ... and to think at one point I thought Broncos fans was smarter then other teams fans.


I stand corrected ...

Share with us your infinite wisdom, Oh wonderful one! :notworthy

HILife
03-05-2010, 12:53 PM
I am so hard right now.

lol. Lets get that #6 pick

Paladin
03-05-2010, 12:54 PM
I think a sign and trade deal would work. They sign an offer sheet. Denver says we will match. They say we will give you fourteen and a third. Denver matches, and them trades him to Seattle for 14 and a third.

Then I would see Williams at 11 and McClain at 14.

Dagmar
03-05-2010, 12:54 PM
It seems the Broncos lose a great player every year. I wonder who it will be next year.

I don't remember us losing a great player last year.

Unless, are you talking about sulkymcredzonepick? Who had poorer stats than our qb this year?

bowtown
03-05-2010, 12:55 PM
God this place is stupid ... and to think at one point I thought Broncos fans was smarter then other teams fans.


I stand corrected ...

You mean people's intelligence has NOTHING to do with their football allegiances?!?! How could such a rational and intelligent premise turn out to be wrong?

oubronco
03-05-2010, 12:56 PM
McD is a genius he's trading away our young playmaker for hopes and prayers in the draft

crush17
03-05-2010, 12:56 PM
God this place is stupid ... and to think at one point I thought Broncos fans was smarter then other teams fans.


I stand corrected ...

excellent, thought provoking statement and or argument.


/sarcasm

Paladin
03-05-2010, 12:56 PM
Share with us your infinite wisdom, Oh wonderful one! :notworthy

Don't mock him, Ro. For about half the posters here, he is right......

jayman_37
03-05-2010, 12:56 PM
I thought that Denver refused to pay for 2 first round picks? Isn't that what everyone was screaming all year when we complained about losing that pick?

chaz
03-05-2010, 01:00 PM
I would love the #6 pick, we would be able to get 2 starters with 6 and 11.

Because first round picks come with a guarantee stamped behind their left ear.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 01:00 PM
Orton to Gaffney they excitement will never end...How many short yardage passes will we have next year.

im not sure this is the sword you want to fall on. The one game he was featured, what did he have? 14 for 213? Not saying i dont want brandon, i do, but well, i made my point

DrFate
03-05-2010, 01:01 PM
I thought that Denver refused to pay for 2 first round picks? Isn't that what everyone was screaming all year when we complained about losing that pick?

That's what I don't understand about the concept that the Broncos have the 'upper hand' here.

A) Denver didn't want to pay 2 first round picks
B) Denver didn't want to give Marshall a big money, long term deal

So now if Seattle gets Marshall's signature (which he'll no doubt sign)

Denver has a choice - either sign Marshall to a big money, long term deal OR take the first round pick

The only alternative is to make a deal with Seattle for something else - and if option A and option B are not Bowlen-pocketbook happy - Seattle can offer whatever they want. Either Denver takes the deal or gets put in a position they have demonstrated they don't prefer.

oubronco
03-05-2010, 01:01 PM
im not sure this is the sword you want to fall on. The one game he was featured, what did he have? 14 for 213? Not saying i dont want brandon, i do, but well, i made my point

that says it all

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 01:01 PM
I thought that Denver refused to pay for 2 first round picks? Isn't that what everyone was screaming all year when we complained about losing that pick?

I was. But youre forgetting that some of that money was probably earmarked for a long term Marshall contract. Obviously, not the case any longer.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 01:02 PM
that says it all

Ummm, its the only game he was featured as the Broncos 1. Its a very small sample size, but its the only one provided

elsid13
03-05-2010, 01:02 PM
im not sure this is the sword you want to fall on. The one game he was featured, what did he have? 14 for 213? Not saying i dont want brandon, i do, but well, i made my point

Yeah because KC defense last season should be compared to 85 Bear's D.

jhns
03-05-2010, 01:03 PM
I thought that Denver refused to pay for 2 first round picks? Isn't that what everyone was screaming all year when we complained about losing that pick?

People here will say anything to try justifying dumb ass moves made by McDaniels. It is that whole "McDaniels is above the team" thing they always spout. It is why we can't critisize the dumb moves without them freaking out.

TDmvp
03-05-2010, 01:03 PM
Sorry that I don't agree with a high draft pick is worth a star player...
I've seen this scenario dozens of time and the team that gets picks normally gets the raw end of the deal when trading a star... insert some moron yelling about the herschel walker trade here.

If you do , more power to you.


But to me no player in this draft over the next 3 years will be more productive than Brandon ...

*WARHORSE*
03-05-2010, 01:04 PM
I'm whatever a female does!

Think cheerleading.:giggle:

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 01:05 PM
Yeah because KC defense last season should be compared to 85 Bear's D.

You guys are ****ing killing me. I didnt say or imply that he was anywhere close to as good as marshall. The original poster claimed "Gaffney as the one, lets look forward to short passes...blah blah etc etc" I was just claiming its probably not the best example to choose considering the one game he was featured, they went downfield with success.

DBroncos4life
03-05-2010, 01:07 PM
I think it sucks. I get the excitement for landing the number 6 overall draft pick, but on the other hand I can't help but thinking if that guy we pick doesn't pan out then it's a bad deal for Denver. I wouldn't give up a winning lottery ticket at a chance to win again.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-05-2010, 01:09 PM
Completely, 100% on the fence here. I'd love to have #6 (and pair it with #11) but I am a Marshall fan. I like what he brings on the field, and I'd be sorry to see him go.


/shrug

Either way, I'm not going to get to high or low until we see what ACTUALLY happens. The rest of you, feel free to use this:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

eddie mac
03-05-2010, 01:09 PM
The Broncos will not be looking to get any more 1st round picks. The move to get Alphonso Smith last year was based on MONEY, and that's it. You can sugar coat it any way you like, but it was purely a financial move.

This franchise does not have the money to pay multiple 1st round picks in successive seasons.

Especially the number 6 overall pick. Marshall will be here next season playing for his tender salary unless for some reason they allow him to be traded for 2nd and 3rd round picks.

I dont believe that for a second. Smith was very high on McD's board and when he fell into the 2nd rd he pulled the trigger.

He wanted to win last year hence the overhaul of the roster, the agressiveness in free agency and the multiple use of early picks.

rastaman
03-05-2010, 01:09 PM
No other NFL coach has more experience dealing with and talking to gang members than Pete Carroll. Maybe that is part of the attraction for Brandon.

And what type of experience does McD have with working and getting along with today's NFL players. The only players that get along with McDaniel's are veteran players who's careers are over that are willing to kiss McD's ASS for a few more checks.

Beantown Bronco
03-05-2010, 01:10 PM
In the last two games of last season, Gaffney had 21 receptions for 282 yds and 2 TDs. And Philly and KC were NOT bottom feeder pass defenses last year. I'm not sure where people are getting that.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-05-2010, 01:11 PM
And what type of experience does McD have with working and getting along with today's NFL players. The only players that get along with McDaniel's are veteran players who's careers are over that are willing to kiss McD's ASS for a few more checks.

Sigh. You are absolutely top notch when it comes to making up total bull****. Kudos.

TDmvp
03-05-2010, 01:11 PM
LOL once again Espn is destroying us for thinking we can get anything in this draft at the 6th pick as good as Brandon ....


I really think our front office has suffered a stroke or something over the last 2 years.
Because we make moves that only a handicapped person would.

aka Quinn and Smith ...

Drek
03-05-2010, 01:12 PM
Sorry that I don't agree with a high draft pick is worth a star player...
I've seen this scenario dozens of time and the team that gets picks normally gets the raw end of the deal when trading a star... insert some moron yelling about the herschel walker trade here.

If you do , more power to you.


But to me no player in this draft over the next 3 years will be more productive than Brandon ...

So there won't be a single HOF player taken in the next three years? Thats what you are saying, because at this point Marshall isn't a HOF player even if he keeps up his current level of play for another 8 seasons.

Sorry, I'm pretty sure there will be. Its all about what team is smart enough/lucky enough to select them.

Marshall has the potential to be great, but he's inconsistent in games and unreliable outside of them.

He's got too much baggage (especially in Denver) for the Broncos to risk a big deal on him. If the return for letting him walk is the #6 overall pick then we should run, not walk, to the fax machine when we send our our letter declining our right to match Seattle's offer.

rastaman
03-05-2010, 01:13 PM
If Marshall goes then we need to get some playmakers in here fast or this offense will really be well, offensive. I would love CJ Spiller and one of those Dlineman with two first round picks.

Why? We got Gaffney....Right! Surely, McD can find two more Gaffney proto-type WR's to replace Bmarsh. Plus imagine how much money Bowlen can SAVE!

oubronco
03-05-2010, 01:13 PM
Ummm, its the only game he was featured as the Broncos 1. Its a very small sample size, but its the only one provided

He can't hold Marshall's jock

jhns
03-05-2010, 01:13 PM
I think it sucks. I get the excitement for landing the number 6 overall draft pick, but on the other hand I can't help but thinking if that guy we pick doesn't pan out then it's a bad deal for Denver. I wouldn't give up a winning lottery ticket at a chance to win again.

I completely agree. I do like the idea of getting the 6 pick though. If we can trade up a little and turn Marshall into Suh, Bradford, or Berry, I will actually kind of like the move. Suh is my dream. I think Bradford is by far the best QB prospect and I really want a new QB. I could see Berry being just as productive as Marshall, only for the defense. If we don't get one of those 3, I will probably cry about this move as much as I do about the Cutler one.

elsid13
03-05-2010, 01:13 PM
You guys are ****ing killing me. I didnt say or imply that he was anywhere close to as good as marshall. The original poster claimed "Gaffney as the one, lets look forward to short passes...blah blah etc etc" I was just claiming its probably not the best example to choose considering the one game he was featured, they went downfield with success.

My problem, folks are points to one game and saying Gaffney can get it done, we don't need Marshall. Any player in the league can have ONE good game, but very few can dominate over the season like Marshall. Even when Marshall wasn't catching balls on the field he was still forcing defense to either roll coverage toward him or providing help to the corner with safety over the top. Thus opening things for over players. Marshall gone, because he and McDaniels can not get along, but let not pretend that we have player on the roster or get one in the draft that can step in and be just as successful.

gunns
03-05-2010, 01:14 PM
The Broncos will not be looking to get any more 1st round picks. The move to get Alphonso Smith last year was based on MONEY, and that's it. You can sugar coat it any way you like, but it was purely a financial move.

This franchise does not have the money to pay multiple 1st round picks in successive seasons.

Especially the number 6 overall pick. Marshall will be here next season playing for his tender salary unless for some reason they allow him to be traded for 2nd and 3rd round picks.

This may be true, but there is also an alternative. If Bowlen doesn't want to pay a two first round draft picks, this also gives us another 1st rounder to deal for a RFA. Just a thought.

SoDak Bronco
03-05-2010, 01:14 PM
LOL once again Espn is destroying us for thinking we can get anything in this draft at the 6th pick as good as Brandon ....


I really think our front office has suffered a stroke or something over the last 2 years.
Because we make moves that only a handicapped person would.

aka Quinn and Smith ...

Does it make u feel better when they say we won the tradE? Who the hell knows, lets wait and see what we exactly get from them and if anything even goes down.

rastaman
03-05-2010, 01:15 PM
In the last two games of last season, Gaffney had 21 receptions for 282 yds and 2 TDs. And Philly and KC were NOT bottom feeder pass defenses last year. I'm not sure where people are getting that.

Now all McD needs to do is find two more Gaffney type WR's and the 2010 Bronco offense is SET........CHAMPIONSHIP!ROFL!

OOJack
03-05-2010, 01:17 PM
Sigh. You are absolutely top notch when it comes to making up total bull****. Kudos.

I'm 99% sure you are Coach McDouche...you even signed up right after you got hired. I hope your @ss gets fired...

Drek
03-05-2010, 01:17 PM
I think it sucks. I get the excitement for landing the number 6 overall draft pick, but on the other hand I can't help but thinking if that guy we pick doesn't pan out then it's a bad deal for Denver. I wouldn't give up a winning lottery ticket at a chance to win again.

How is Marshall a "winning lottery ticket"?

He's had one legal incident free off-season in the last three. In that off-season he was more preoccupied with stirring up **** at our own practices. He was suspended for three games by the league but had it reduced to one in exchange for going to therapy.

If he has one more off field incident he's out for at least 8 games. Depending on how bad it is he might be gone for a whole season or suspended indefinitely.

All that from a guy who isn't a week in and week out producer. He's a feast and famine producer who kills teams one week and disappears the next. We geared the entire offense to suit him last season, making him the conduit through which the entire passing game ran, and he still was inconsistent from week to week.

The Broncos will be fine without Marshall. Who they get with the #6 pick could be a real difference maker minus all the headaches and distractions.

If the Rams pass on Bradford and take Suh there is a good chance the Broncos would have their pick of Clausen and Bradford at #6. That is worth Marshall to me.

Ray Finkle
03-05-2010, 01:18 PM
My problem, folks are points to one game and saying Gaffney can get it done, we don't need Marshall. Any player in the league can have ONE good game, but very few can dominate over the season like Marshall. Even when Marshall wasn't catching balls on the field he was still forcing defense to either roll coverage toward him or providing help to the corner with safety over the top. Thus opening things for over players. Marshall gone, because he and McDaniels can not get along, but let not pretend that we have player on the roster or get one in the draft that can step in and be just as successful.

True but I think the progression for Royal, Gaffney, who every else they bring it at WR will help. WIth a solid line and the ability to run the ball effectively, they will not be as reliant on throwing.

Beantown Bronco
03-05-2010, 01:18 PM
Now all McD needs to do is find two more Gaffney type WR's and the 2010 Bronco offense is SET........CHAMPIONSHIP!ROFL!

People have certainly won with a lot less at WR than that. Your attempt at sarcasm (and life in general) has failed.

rastaman
03-05-2010, 01:18 PM
No denying he is talented as any wr in the NFL but one more brush with the law and the Broncos have a talented SUSPENDED receiver.

Or on any given play Marshall could suffer a season or career ending injury!

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 01:18 PM
I loved Brandon right up until I saw that film of him ****ing off at practice. Brandon's fuse is lit. I just want it to go off somewhere else. He will **** up again. As Justin Wilson used to say, "I gar-on-tee it!"

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-05-2010, 01:19 PM
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/5/1358790/broncos-takin-phone-calls-from

Broncos Takin' Phone Calls From Multiple Teams
Seattle may be talking to BMarsh tomorrow, but apparently a bunch of teams are attempting to pull the rug out from under them.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 01:20 PM
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/5/1358790/broncos-takin-phone-calls-from

Broncos Takin' Phone Calls From Multiple Teams
Seattle may be talking to BMarsh tomorrow, but apparently a bunch of teams are attempting to pull the rug out from under them.

Yessssssssssssssssss

DBroncos4life
03-05-2010, 01:20 PM
He can't hold Marshall's jock

Dude this is just how the mane works. If we are about to lose a player regardless of how good that player is people here will always down play how good he is and how easy it will be to replace him. There isn't one player on our roster that won't become over-rated the minute he leaves for another team.

TDmvp
03-05-2010, 01:20 PM
I'm 99% sure you are Coach McDouche...you even signed up right after you got hired. I hope your @ss gets fired...




Yea sometimes I feel a little like Rush Limbaugh on Obama when I think about Josh... I'm starting to hope Josh fails ...

And it pains me cause I hate Rush ...

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 01:20 PM
it's a free for all!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-05-2010, 01:21 PM
I'm 99% sure you are Coach McDouche...you even signed up right after you got hired. I hope your @ss gets fired...

Rather than follow me around from post to post and try to one up me, why don't you pull your head out of your ass and figure out how the ignore function works? You're not worth my time.

And yes, I'm sure McDaniels signed up for the Orange Mane.

Sweet jesus, you're dumber than rasta.

Rulon Velvet Jones
03-05-2010, 01:21 PM
Aren't we all still talking about the guy that Shanahan wanted to straight-up cut before he left? Wouldn't you have expected Snyder, the Skins and their bottomless pockets to have made a run at a guy that could potentially break their offense wide open?

gunns
03-05-2010, 01:21 PM
People have certainly won with a lot less at WR than that. Your attempt at sarcasm (and life in general) has failed.

That's it, we're talking about a WR. WR rarely get your team a SB. Look at the sensational season Marshall had last year and we finished 8-8. NE has utility WR's and wins a SB. They get Moss and nada. The success of a team is rarely on a WR.

rastaman
03-05-2010, 01:21 PM
People have certainly won with a lot less at WR than that. Your attempt at sarcasm (and life in general) has failed.

Yeah I hear Ya! All we need is Gaffney to step up and two more WR's like Gaff.....and I'll offense will be set!

LONG LIVE THE DINK AND DUNK MCDANIELS OFFENSE.......IT SHOULD BE EXCITING TO WATCH! I CAN'T WAIT! HOW BOUT YOU?:sunshine:

TDmvp
03-05-2010, 01:22 PM
it's a free for all!

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Dagmar
03-05-2010, 01:22 PM
As the usual mob appears to tear apart our coach and hope he fails.

Yay.

oubronco
03-05-2010, 01:23 PM
Yeah I hear Ya! All we need is Gaffney to step up and two more WR's like Gaff.....and I'll offense will be set!

LONG LIVE THE DINK AND DUNK MCDANIELS OFFENSE.......IT SHOULD BE EXCITING TO WATCH! I CAN'T WAIT! HOW BOUT YOU?:sunshine:

don't forget the WR bubble screen

Popcorn Sutton
03-05-2010, 01:23 PM
Or on any given play Marshall could suffer a season or career ending injury!

Which is why on a down year he makes 100 times more then the average American does. He's already made almost 5 million dollars in his career and he's due at least 2.5 this year prior to any trades or new deals. You act like he's living in filth.

All NFL players have the risk of injury. Not ALL teams have the risk of a player missing at least 8 games if not an entire season if he slips up one more time.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 01:23 PM
Yeah I hear Ya! All we need is Gaffney to step up and two more WR's like Gaff.....and I'll offense will be set!

LONG LIVE THE DINK AND DUNK MCDANIELS OFFENSE.......IT SHOULD BE EXCITING TO WATCH! I CAN'T WAIT! HOW BOUT YOU?:sunshine:

Put down your Madden controller and turn the caps lock off.

SportinOne
03-05-2010, 01:23 PM
So... if someone wants to trade for B Marsh they are going to have to top the 6th overall pick? Good luck!

SportinOne
03-05-2010, 01:26 PM
So here's the question... Would Seattle even bother with Marshall if they didn't have the 14? It's impossible to know what would have happened but that awful trade last draft could have actually had value!

OOJack
03-05-2010, 01:27 PM
Rather than follow me around from post to post and try to one up me, why don't you pull your head out of your ass and figure out how the ignore function works? You're not worth my time.

And yes, I'm sure McDaniels signed up for the Orange Mane.

Sweet jesus, you're dumber than rasta.

yep, definitely coach McDouche. You suck as a coach and you do not belong in Colorado. Get the EFFF OUT!

bowtown
03-05-2010, 01:27 PM
So here's the question... Would Seattle even bother with Marshall if they didn't have the 14? It's impossible to know what would have happened but that awful trade last draft could have actually had value!

McGenius strikes again!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-05-2010, 01:27 PM
So here's the question... Would Seattle even bother with Marshall if they didn't have the 14? It's impossible to know what would have happened but that awful trade last draft could have actually had value!

The world may never know.

SouthStndJunkie
03-05-2010, 01:27 PM
I'm all for keeping B-Marsh, but if we get an outrageous offer....

Drek
03-05-2010, 01:27 PM
Yea sometimes I feel a little like Rush Limbaugh on Obama when I think about Josh... I'm starting to hope Josh fails ...

And it pains me cause I hate Rush ...

So you feel some kinship towards a propagandist hatemonger. Maybe you should ask if your viewpoint on this topic is as objectionable and rationally thought out as it should be, hmm?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-05-2010, 01:28 PM
yep, definitely coach McDouche. You suck as a coach and you do not belong in Colorado. Get the EFFF OUT!

Another fine contribution. How does one type with his head up his ass?

Ladies and gentlemen: Mock Vol. 2!

jhns
03-05-2010, 01:28 PM
So... if someone wants to trade for B Marsh they are going to have to top the 6th overall pick? Good luck!

I don't think so. I think they just have to offer Marshall a bigger contract and get him to sign an offer sheet. I don't think the pick number matters and we don't get a say in it. I could be wrong though.

Bizzle
03-05-2010, 01:28 PM
I guess I don't really get Seattle's interest (outside of Bates). They signed basically the same player (albeit, older) in Housh last year. Now their going to not only sign antoher big FA deal for a similar WR, but they're going to give up pick(s) in the process.

My guess, BMarsh is in Baltimore next year for their 2010 2nd round pick.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 01:28 PM
I'm all for keeping B-Marsh, but if we get an outrageous offer....

Would you consider the #6 an outragous offer? Not sure I would... but I'd be plenty happy with it. I really hope we can get more though. This is fun.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 01:28 PM
My problem, folks are points to one game and saying Gaffney can get it done, we don't need Marshall. Any player in the league can have ONE good game, but very few can dominate over the season like Marshall. Even when Marshall wasn't catching balls on the field he was still forcing defense to either roll coverage toward him or providing help to the corner with safety over the top. Thus opening things for over players. Marshall gone, because he and McDaniels can not get along, but let not pretend that we have player on the roster or get one in the draft that can step in and be just as successful.

Did i ever say that?

DBroncos4life
03-05-2010, 01:29 PM
How is Marshall a "winning lottery ticket"?

He's had one legal incident free off-season in the last three. In that off-season he was more preoccupied with stirring up **** at our own practices. He was suspended for three games by the league but had it reduced to one in exchange for going to therapy.

If he has one more off field incident he's out for at least 8 games. Depending on how bad it is he might be gone for a whole season or suspended indefinitely.

All that from a guy who isn't a week in and week out producer. He's a feast and famine producer who kills teams one week and disappears the next. We geared the entire offense to suit him last season, making him the conduit through which the entire passing game ran, and he still was inconsistent from week to week.

The Broncos will be fine without Marshall. Who they get with the #6 pick could be a real difference maker minus all the headaches and distractions.

If the Rams pass on Bradford and take Suh there is a good chance the Broncos would have their pick of Clausen and Bradford at #6. That is worth Marshall to me.

Is he not what you look for in a draft pick production wise? I don't think you will find very many WR's in the history of the NFL that have had as much success as Marshall in there first four years. That's what you HOPE for production wise when you draft someone. For **** sakes man Jarvis Moss doesn't have any off-field issues so I guess in your mind that is a good draft pick. Please you are a great poster but I stopped reading your post after the first line.

bowtown
03-05-2010, 01:29 PM
I don't think so. I think they just have to offer Marshall a bigger contract and get him to sign an offer sheet. I don't think the pick number matters and we don't get a say in it. I could be wrong though.

You are correct, but we could work a deal where we match the offer, retain him and then trade him to the highest bidder.

DenverBrit
03-05-2010, 01:30 PM
Yea sometimes I feel a little like Rush Limbaugh on Obama when I think about Josh... I'm starting to hope Josh fails ...

And it pains me cause I hate Rush ...

You realize you're saying you hope the Broncos fail!!

SonOfLe-loLang
03-05-2010, 01:31 PM
I guess I don't really get Seattle's interest (outside of Bates). They signed basically the same player (albeit, older) in Housh last year. Now their going to not only sign antoher big FA deal for a similar WR, but they're going to give up pick(s) in the process.

My guess, BMarsh is in Baltimore next year for their 2010 2nd round pick.

Ummmm no

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 01:32 PM
I guess I don't really get Seattle's interest (outside of Bates). They signed basically the same player (albeit, older) in Housh last year. Now their going to not only sign antoher big FA deal for a similar WR, but they're going to give up pick(s) in the process.

My guess, BMarsh is in Baltimore next year for their 2010 2nd round pick.

they have a new front office and coaching staff.....of course it doesn't make sense when you look back at last year

OOJack
03-05-2010, 01:33 PM
Another fine contribution. How does one type with his head up his ass?

Ladies and gentlemen: Mock Vol. 2!

McD, enlighten us. Who the eff do you think you are? You are nothing more than a Wade Phillips for the Broncos. I fully believe you are the second coming of Charlie Weiss if you eff up this Marshall fiasco and possibly even the draft....AGAIN

Bizzle
03-05-2010, 01:35 PM
they have a new front office and coaching staff.....of course it doesn't make sense when you look back at last year

I can see that. My point was more that they'll have a lot of $ tied up in the WR position and both players are of a similar mold (possession type receivers).

BMarsh is obviously better than Housh, I know.

TDmvp
03-05-2010, 01:37 PM
You realize you're saying you hope the Broncos fail!!

I've never liked Josh.

As someone living in his home state who had to listen to people make him and his dad out like they was Lombardi or something ... And then him being a Pat which I hate to him coming to my Fav team and to me in my opinion Fing it up .... Yea I getting sick of it and STARTING to hope he fails and we can move on.


to each his own...


and yea obviously I'm a bad fan and you all who disagree are better fan guy than me ... I can live with that as i sit in my orange and blue painted room full of broncos autographs and gear ...

The Joker
03-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Getting Bradford at #6 is the only way having that pick is worthwhile, IMO.

I'd rather get #14 and a 2nd or even a 3rd instead of the #6.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-05-2010, 01:38 PM
McD, enlighten us. Who the eff do you think you are? You are nothing more than a Wade Phillips for the Broncos. I fully believe you are the second coming of Charlie Weiss if you eff up this Marshall fiasco and possibly even the draft....AGAIN

You are adoreable.

You've shown that your knowledge of football mostly consists of liking how a player's butt looks in his pants, so... I'm going to go ahead and give the football knowledge edge to McD on this one... and probably to Wade Phillips as well.

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 01:38 PM
I can see that. My point was more that they'll have a lot of $ tied up in the WR position and both players are of a similar mold (possession type receivers).

BMarsh is obviously better than Housh, I know.

there is no such thing as a salary cap anymore and owner Paul Allen is the 4th richest man in the WORLD.


also, House was terrible last year

SouthStndJunkie
03-05-2010, 01:39 PM
Would you consider the #6 an outragous offer? Not sure I would... but I'd be plenty happy with it. I really hope we can get more though. This is fun.

The 6th overall pick in this draft would be pretty damn tempting....we would lose an impact player, but with the 6th overall pick we could draft another one.

UberBroncoMan
03-05-2010, 01:40 PM
there is no such thing as a salary cap anymore and owner Paul Allen is the 4th richest man in the WORLD.


also, House was terrible last year

Under that logic why isn't Julius Peppers a Seahawk?

If I want to buy a Super Bowl with no cap he's on my team.

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 01:41 PM
Under that logic why isn't Julius Peppers a Seahawk?

If I want to buy a Super Bowl with no cap he's on my team.

i don't know.


wait...what? LOL

bowtown
03-05-2010, 01:41 PM
Getting Bradford at #6 is the only way having that pick is worthwhile, IMO.

I'd rather get #14 and a 2nd or even a 3rd instead of the #6.

Unless we can trade out of it. If we get a second 1st, I'd really like to see us trade it for 2011 picks and plan on getting our QBOTF next year. I hate this QB draft class.

OOJack
03-05-2010, 01:42 PM
You are adoreable.

You've shown that your knowledge of football mostly consists of liking how a player's butt looks in his pants, so... I'm going to go ahead and give the football knowledge edge to McD on this one... and probably to Wade Phillips as well.

Coach, don't get all butt hurt that I'm calling you out. Don't get me wrong, I want the Broncos to kick ass; I just want you to fail miserably. You got picked on in grade school a lot, didn't you?

Rohirrim
03-05-2010, 01:42 PM
Ah! The good old Orange Mane. No other mob can light its torches faster. Ha!

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 01:42 PM
it's that time of the year again

oojack is pissing off the locals!

TDmvp
03-05-2010, 01:43 PM
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/images/simpsons-mob-torches.jpg

OOJack
03-05-2010, 01:43 PM
it's that time of the year again

oojack is pissing off the locals!

nope, that's you, sellout!

Drek
03-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Is he not what you look for in a draft pick production wise? I don't think you will find very many WR's in the history of the NFL that have had as much success as Marshall in there first four years. That's what you HOPE for production wise when you draft someone. For **** sakes man Jarvis Moss doesn't have any off-field issues so I guess in your mind that is a good draft pick. Please you are a great poster but I stopped reading your post after the first line.

I also hope for WRs to not pack it in once they've locked up pro bowl noms, for them to show up and work hard in off-season activities, and for them to keep their personal lives personal enough to not result in league sanctions.

Randy Moss in Minnesota was off to the single best start of any WR's career ever. When he got paid and sent to Oakland he packed it in. The single worst thing he ever did from a legal standpoint was smoke weed and fail a NFL drug test.

Moss is a great WR again, but Oakland got zero value out of trading for him and he's great with his 3rd team. Marshall has similar maturity issues and more strikes against him, as a result I have no desire to watch Pat Bowlen do his best Al Davis impression and give Marshall the big guaranteed jack.

Marshall's past production was the winning lottery ticket. Marshall after a big new contract is like you buying a whole new lottery ticket that costs a whole lot more money, but only pays out the same as the cheap one you originally won on.

And if you can't get past the first line just because you disagree with that first line maybe you should begin to question your own objectivity.

bronco militia
03-05-2010, 01:45 PM
nope, that's you, sellout!

right on que! :giggle::giggle::giggle:

TheDave
03-05-2010, 01:45 PM
Ah! The good old Orange Mane. No other mob can light its torches faster. Ha!

No kidding...