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The MVPlaya
03-03-2010, 05:13 PM
Kirk Morrison is very available

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 3, 2010 6:23 PM ET

Stanford Routt felt the Raiders love Wednesday despite starting only one game last year.

Middle linebacker Kirk Morrison, who has led the team in tackles for five straight seasons, was not so lucky. Adam Schefter reports the team extended an "original pick" tender to Morrison, meaning any interested team would only have to give up a third-rounder if they signed him away.

Make no mistake, the Raiders would love for that to happen.

Morrison is due $2.5 million next season and would have made the exact same money if he got the second round tender. (It's explained well here by the Oakland Tribune.)

Essentially, the Raiders placed a lower tender on Morrison despite no financial savings. They wanted to create the highest chance for a trade and knew no one would give up a second-round pick for him

Morrison could get an offer sheet, and then everyone's happy. If not, he'll have to return to a team he knows didn't want him back.

UPDATE: The Raiders tendered linebacker Ricky Brown at a second-round level. He was an undrafted player, so they needed to go that high to keep him.

The MVPlaya
03-03-2010, 05:15 PM
Don't be surprised if Broncos make a run for Kirk. Not sure if he fits the 3-4 scheme or if he's what Broncos are looking for, but remember that Martindale pretty much groomed him from day 1.

6-2 240 pounds doesn't sound bad for a ILB here...

SportinOne
03-03-2010, 05:27 PM
someone will definitely do it but i don't think it will be us.

lostknight
03-03-2010, 05:39 PM
From my point of view, we need depth at the Corners and massive help at the line. Not sure LB is where we should be adding capital. This guy is probably a very good buy, but we have too many needs on both sides of the ball.

broncos-rock
03-03-2010, 05:43 PM
I saw that Gabe Watson from Arizona was tendered at 2nd round. What about him?

Drek
03-03-2010, 06:08 PM
From my point of view, we need depth at the Corners and massive help at the line. Not sure LB is where we should be adding capital. This guy is probably a very good buy, but we have too many needs on both sides of the ball.

He's still pretty young and has been an above average starter in the NFL for his entire career, never having less than 100 combined tackles in a season, even as a rookie.

A 3rd is a stupidly low price for him. I could definitely see us going after him as opposed to using a pick in that range for an ILB project.

2KBack
03-03-2010, 06:11 PM
He's still pretty young and has been an above average starter in the NFL for his entire career, never having less than 100 combined tackles in a season, even as a rookie.

A 3rd is a stupidly low price for him. I could definitely see us going after him as opposed to using a pick in that range for an ILB project.

I agree, I was hoping we would pick up a solid ILB in this draft anyway. Morrison would be a safe and cheap route for that, and Denver would get a guy who has already proven to be a player in the nfl.

Crushisback
03-03-2010, 06:11 PM
Patriots may jump on this one. They're load with mid round picks. Morrison and Mayo would be a real nice pair in the middle.

Crushisback
03-03-2010, 06:17 PM
This would be Win Win for us. Giving the Raiders a draft pick is like giving a dog a Bike.

Victor
03-03-2010, 06:26 PM
This would be Win Win for us. Giving the Raiders a draft pick is like giving a dog a Bike.

That is very funny...but it could happen.

http://www.wendmag.com/greenery/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dog-bike.jpg

Florida_Bronco
03-03-2010, 06:59 PM
I'd happily pull the trigger on this.

Br0nc0Buster
03-03-2010, 07:04 PM
I am confused why the tender is so low

I would easily pull the trigger on that deal
He is young, and he is pretty good
He might have to pack on a bit more bulk to take over SILB for Davis or after he leaves, but I dont see why he couldnt make the transition

Wow I hope the Broncos give Morrison a look

Br0nc0Buster
03-03-2010, 07:05 PM
I saw that Gabe Watson from Arizona was tendered at 2nd round. What about him?

We have a pretty high 2nd, I would prefer to just keep the pick

The MVPlaya
03-03-2010, 07:07 PM
Kirk Morrison has also started every game in his career.

Last year he had dislocated his shoulder in the pre-season and it was in doubt if he was going to make it to the opener and he did...

bowtown
03-03-2010, 08:03 PM
I would love to give our 3rd for Morrison.

broncos-rock
03-03-2010, 08:06 PM
We have a pretty high 2nd, I would prefer to just keep the pick

But would you trade Scheffler for him?

broncosteven
03-03-2010, 08:15 PM
From my point of view, we need depth at the Corners and massive help at the line. Not sure LB is where we should be adding capital. This guy is probably a very good buy, but we have too many needs on both sides of the ball.

I think we have more than adquate depth at CB unless Smith is a total bust. Hell the UDFA who started the last game (or 2?) played well for a nickel. I think Safety depth is Ok if McBath makes some progress this year.

We need a stud NT, and at least one more DL that can collapse the pocket and hold up vs the run.

Another ILB would be nice to have as Davis never really was a very good coverage LB, after teams started looking for the A gap blitz he disappeared.

I think our woes are at C, LG, RT(at least depth wise if Harris is healty) WR, QB.

Archer81
03-03-2010, 08:20 PM
I am starting to wonder if Harris would be a better fit inside at RG, shift Kuper to LG, and we look for a RT and C through FA or the draft.

:Broncos:

Br0nc0Buster
03-03-2010, 08:20 PM
But would you trade Scheffler for him?

yes

Br0nc0Buster
03-03-2010, 08:22 PM
I am starting to wonder if Harris would be a better fit inside at RG, shift Kuper to LG, and we look for a RT and C through FA or the draft.

:Broncos:

Harris at guard?
He is too finesse
I would prefer to move Kuper to LG and try out Olsen at RG and keep Harris at RT

broncosteven
03-03-2010, 08:27 PM
I am starting to wonder if Harris would be a better fit inside at RG, shift Kuper to LG, and we look for a RT and C through FA or the draft.

:Broncos:

Our line was much better until Harris went down. Kuper had a BU RT, an ageing C who was the 1st cut playing next to him. No wonder he got beat a couple times a this year.

I hope they find a decent Vet to play C and see if Olsen can beat out Hock out at LG (and draft for G depth) and then see about some Depth incase Harris continues to have health issues.

Ziggy
03-03-2010, 08:37 PM
Our line was much better until Harris went down. Kuper had a BU RT, an ageing C who was the 1st cut playing next to him. No wonder he got beat a couple times a this year.

I hope they find a decent Vet to play C and see if Olsen can beat out Hock out at LG (and draft for G depth) and then see about some Depth incase Harris continues to have health issues.

Hochstien is an UFA. Even if he is re-signed, he may not be ready for training camp. The LG position is Olsen's to lose right now.

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 08:39 PM
This would be Win Win for us. Giving the Raiders a draft pick is like giving a dog a Bike.

Hilarious! I agree. Jump on this. A starter for a third round pick? No brainer.

Florida_Bronco
03-03-2010, 09:38 PM
The more I think about this, the more I think this is a great idea. Between Morrison and Davis we'd have a very good combo for the SILB position and that would free us up to spend our first rounder on a linemen rather than Rolando McClain.

broncos-rock
03-03-2010, 09:55 PM
<!-- end header --> Raiders give long snapper a second round tender

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 3, 2010 10:45 PM ET
The Raiders capped a mystifying day (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Raiders-apply-same-logic-to-RFA-process-as-every?urn=nfl,225685) the only way they know how: By giving their long-snapper a second round tender via Fed Ex (http://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter/status/9952525327).

Okay, so Jon Condo is a Pro Bowler. David White of the San Francisco Chronicle writes that Condo will make $1.759 million (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?blogid=11&entry_id=58407) if he signs the tender, more than three times his previous salary.

This is a rare care of the uncapped year rules helping a player make more money. But it's still crazy that Condo got the same tender as the team's presumptive starting quarterback (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/01/gradkowski-told-hell-get-second-round-tender/), and a higher tender than their starting middle linebacker (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/kirk-morrison-is-very-available/). He's no Stanford Routt (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/raiders-tender-stanford-routt-at-first--and-third-round-level/), though.

In all, the Raiders have committed $7.134 million (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/03/03/condo-gets-second-round-tender/) in salary to four special teamers for 2010.



This just keeps getting weirder and weirder!

Dagmar
03-03-2010, 10:01 PM
This would be Win Win for us. Giving the Raiders a draft pick is like giving a dog a Bike.

Hilarious!

http://izismile.com/img/img2/20090720/dog_bicycle_01.jpg

bronco militia
03-03-2010, 10:55 PM
<!-- end header --> Raiders give long snapper a second round tender

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 3, 2010 10:45 PM ET
The Raiders capped a mystifying day (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Raiders-apply-same-logic-to-RFA-process-as-every?urn=nfl,225685) the only way they know how: By giving their long-snapper a second round tender via Fed Ex (http://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter/status/9952525327).

Okay, so Jon Condo is a Pro Bowler. David White of the San Francisco Chronicle writes that Condo will make $1.759 million (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?blogid=11&entry_id=58407) if he signs the tender, more than three times his previous salary.

This is a rare care of the uncapped year rules helping a player make more money. But it's still crazy that Condo got the same tender as the team's presumptive starting quarterback (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/01/gradkowski-told-hell-get-second-round-tender/), and a higher tender than their starting middle linebacker (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/kirk-morrison-is-very-available/). He's no Stanford Routt (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/raiders-tender-stanford-routt-at-first--and-third-round-level/), though.

In all, the Raiders have committed $7.134 million (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/03/03/condo-gets-second-round-tender/) in salary to four special teamers for 2010.



This just keeps getting weirder and weirder!

Ha!


http://www.drewlitton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/raiders-stink.gif

Caveat Lector
03-04-2010, 12:29 AM
Morrison is very similar in playing style to Woodyard, only a lot more productive. With him having a strong connection to our DC, this move could be a distinct possibility...

Bronco CB40
03-04-2010, 12:43 AM
Keep the third round pick. Morrison is a solid player, but overrated. Denver has enough will type linebackers.

Cito Pelon
03-04-2010, 04:00 AM
Dude seems like he's on the downside of his career.

The MVPlaya
03-04-2010, 04:50 AM
Dude seems like he's on the downside of his career.

How so? He had the most solo tackles in his career this year, most sacks, and most forced fumbles in his career. Where did you get this from?

All after dislocating his shoulder in the pre-season.

illbroncsfn
03-04-2010, 08:09 AM
Harris at guard?
He is too finesse
I would prefer to move Kuper to LG and try out Olsen at RG and keep Harris at RT

I completely agree w/these moves- RG (in the vast majority of offenses) is easier to play than LG, Kuper has had past experience at LG as well- easier transition for Olsen- just makes sense. To me you make this move, especially if a veteran center like Mawae comes into the fold....

Only reason IMHO not to make this move- is if Kuper and Harris just have such an outstanding bond playing next to one another and you don't want to disrupt that cohesion.

Br0nc0Buster
03-04-2010, 08:10 AM
Dude seems like he's on the downside of his career.

?
he is like 27 years old

Still in his prime

s0phr0syne
03-04-2010, 09:14 AM
I think we're thinner at ILB than people realize, and I see the potential acquisition of Morrison as a very good move. It's really unclear how well Larsen could perform as a full time LB if Davis were to get injured.

Not only that, but Davis is old as well. Morrison would instantly upgrade the Broncos' nickel and provide needed depth. This is a strong draft, where there will be great players to be found in the 3rd, but even then I'd be all aboard a move to acquire Morrison.

Also, being reported today that Fargas is a candidate for release. He could be a good complement to our backfield, giving us an element of speed.

The MVPlaya
03-04-2010, 09:26 AM
I think we're thinner at ILB than people realize, and I see the potential acquisition of Morrison as a very good move. It's really unclear how well Larsen could perform as a full time LB if Davis were to get injured.

Not only that, but Davis is old as well. Morrison would instantly upgrade the Broncos' nickel and provide needed depth. This is a strong draft, where there will be great players to be found in the 3rd, but even then I'd be all aboard a move to acquire Morrison.

Also, being reported today that Fargas is a candidate for release. He could be a good complement to our backfield, giving us an element of speed.

Morrison wouldn't be no nickel LB or 2nd string - he'd instantly be a starter.

s0phr0syne
03-04-2010, 09:37 AM
You think he would beat out Davis?

Davis was an important part of the Broncos' run D when it was stopping people last year. While Morrison is a good LB, I don't know that he's guaranteed to beat Davis out of a starting job.

I don't see Morrison supplanting DJ...so???

yerner
03-04-2010, 09:43 AM
Morrison is much better than Davis and probably ahead of DJ too.

bowtown
03-04-2010, 09:45 AM
You think he would beat out Davis?

Davis was an important part of the Broncos' run D when it was stopping people last year. While Morrison is a good LB, I don't know that he's guaranteed to beat Davis out of a starting job.

I don't see Morrison supplanting DJ...so???

I'd rather have Morrison than DJ, if I had to choose right now ,especially with Martindale as his coach.

Br0nc0Buster
03-04-2010, 10:15 AM
I think Morrison is just as good as DJ
I think if he were to bulk up a bit he would be an upgrade over Davis who I thought did a good job last year

UberBroncoMan
03-04-2010, 10:43 AM
Getting him just means more in the MLB rotation. Who do we cut though to make room? It's Woodyard or Larsen at that point... Larsen is more versatile, and Woodyard has shown some flashes.

bowtown
03-04-2010, 10:46 AM
What is DJ worth on the trade market? Think he could pull a 2nd?

UberBroncoMan
03-04-2010, 11:06 AM
What is DJ worth on the trade market? Think he could pull a 2nd?

We'd be idiots to trade him for a 2nd. If he can fix some of his boneheaded decisions he has the ability to be one of the best MLB's. Don't forget either that practically his entire career has been playing a new position... every damn year... and consistently with a new DC and scheme no less.

bowtown
03-04-2010, 11:13 AM
We'd be idiots to trade him for a 2nd. If he can fix some of his boneheaded decisions he has the ability to be one of the best MLB's. Don't forget either that practically his entire career has been playing a new position... every damn year... and consistently with a new DC and scheme no less.

Maybe. I like DJ but if I could replace him with Morrison and turn our 3rd into a 2nd (or maybe more) at the same time... I'd have a hard time saying no to that.

Beantown Bronco
03-04-2010, 11:23 AM
I love how folks don't think we can upgrade the LB position after literally just seeing our defense shredded for over 200 yards a game on the ground over the last month or so over the season.

This move, like Florida mentioned above, helps in two ways. Allows us to focus on the lines in the draft and not be "forced" into taking a guy like McClain at 11.

bowtown
03-04-2010, 11:24 AM
In the end, I think it's probably moot. I have a feeling Al Davis would match just about any reasonable contract that we offered him. I doubt Davis would let him go within the division.

broncosteven
03-04-2010, 12:20 PM
In the end, I think it's probably moot. I have a feeling Al Davis would match just about any reasonable contract that we offered him. I doubt Davis would let him go within the division.

Very good point, maybe Crazy Al is doing the same thing with Morrison that we are with Marshall?

broncosteven
03-04-2010, 12:21 PM
<!-- end header --> Raiders give long snapper a second round tender

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 3, 2010 10:45 PM ET
The Raiders capped a mystifying day (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Raiders-apply-same-logic-to-RFA-process-as-every?urn=nfl,225685) the only way they know how: By giving their long-snapper a second round tender via Fed Ex (http://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter/status/9952525327).

Okay, so Jon Condo is a Pro Bowler. David White of the San Francisco Chronicle writes that Condo will make $1.759 million (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?blogid=11&entry_id=58407) if he signs the tender, more than three times his previous salary.

This is a rare care of the uncapped year rules helping a player make more money. But it's still crazy that Condo got the same tender as the team's presumptive starting quarterback (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/01/gradkowski-told-hell-get-second-round-tender/), and a higher tender than their starting middle linebacker (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/kirk-morrison-is-very-available/). He's no Stanford Routt (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/raiders-tender-stanford-routt-at-first--and-third-round-level/), though.

In all, the Raiders have committed $7.134 million (http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/03/03/condo-gets-second-round-tender/) in salary to four special teamers for 2010.



This just keeps getting weirder and weirder!

Isn't that about what Lonnie (Bob) Paxton makes with us?

Killericon
03-04-2010, 12:37 PM
Please yes.

Drek
03-04-2010, 05:16 PM
In the end, I think it's probably moot. I have a feeling Al Davis would match just about any reasonable contract that we offered him. I doubt Davis would let him go within the division.

Then just poison pill it. There isn't an outright rule against that yet.

If that was really Davis' mindset he would have at least given him the 2nd round tender for the exact same price as the 3rd round he received. They're willing to let him walk for a 3rd, no matter who takes him.

The MVPlaya
03-04-2010, 05:24 PM
Andra Davis got worse as the season progressed. He's a pretty physical LB which is what helped him but Kirk is better than Andra, and more athletic. Andra is pretty slow.

bowtown
03-04-2010, 07:52 PM
Then just poison pill it. There isn't an outright rule against that yet.

If that was really Davis' mindset he would have at least given him the 2nd round tender for the exact same price as the 3rd round he received. They're willing to let him walk for a 3rd, no matter who takes him.

Think about that for a second. Do you really want to get into a poison pill war with crazy Al?

Florida_Bronco
03-04-2010, 09:16 PM
Think about that for a second. Do you really want to get into a poison pill war with crazy Al?

There is no "war". We would offer him a contract and then Davis would either match it or Morrison would be ours.

Killericon
03-04-2010, 09:53 PM
There is no "war". We would offer him a contract and then Davis would either match it or Morrison would be ours.

No, he's saying that if we did that, he'd go and offer Dumervil a poison pill contract. Just out of spite. Remember how the Seahawks responded to the Vikings and Hutchinson? They aren't even rivals.

Florida_Bronco
03-04-2010, 10:07 PM
No, he's saying that if we did that, he'd go and offer Dumervil a poison pill contract. Just out of spite. Remember how the Seahawks responded to the Vikings and Hutchinson? They aren't even rivals.

If he wants to give us a 1st and a 3rd for Dumervil along with a huge contract, be my guest.

Drek
03-04-2010, 11:08 PM
No, he's saying that if we did that, he'd go and offer Dumervil a poison pill contract. Just out of spite. Remember how the Seahawks responded to the Vikings and Hutchinson? They aren't even rivals.

1. I'm thinking we'll have Doom on a new deal before too long there.

2. A top 10 pick and their early 3rd? Hell of a price for them to pay out of spite. You really think Al Davis could handle using his 1st to get a short, slow DE?

Killericon
03-05-2010, 02:11 AM
1. I'm thinking we'll have Doom on a new deal before too long there.

2. A top 10 pick and their early 3rd? Hell of a price for them to pay out of spite. You really think Al Davis could handle using his 1st to get a short, slow DE?

Well, then, he wouldn't do it to Dumervil. My point is he's right; Just like with Hutchinson/Burleson, these things can get real ugly. I'd rather just offer him a good contract. A 3rd round tender? Come on, if Davis wanted him around, he'd offer him more.

Drek
03-05-2010, 05:50 AM
Well, then, he wouldn't do it to Dumervil. My point is he's right; Just like with Hutchinson/Burleson, these things can get real ugly. I'd rather just offer him a good contract. A 3rd round tender? Come on, if Davis wanted him around, he'd offer him more.

My feelings as well. It would've cost them the same to tender him at a 2nd instead, but they chose the 3rd.

I'm just saying that the poison pill avenue shouldn't be taken completely off the table when it involves stealing guys within our own division. The Pats where about to use it to get Welker but struck a deal (giving an extra 7th) with Miami just before Miami had to make the choice on matching. Its a viable bargaining tactic to help you get the guy you want, even if you don't actually end up with the guy under that specific contract.

TonyR
04-23-2010, 02:24 PM
Kirk Morrison is on the way out of Oakland
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 23, 2010 3:34 PM ET

The NFL is often a zero sum game. So with the Raiders drafting their middle linebacker of the future in Rolondo McClain, their middle linebacker of the last few years is likely on his way out.

Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune says Kirk Morrison will be cut or traded. He's due $2.51 million, which is too much for a player that's ultimately depth now.

Perhaps Morrison isn't as good as his production indicates, but he can help a team. We'd think another team would give up a late-round pick for him.

The selection of McClain indicates a new direction for the Raiders defense. The team plans to use more "multiple" fronts with an extra linebacker next year, as we guessed last night.

Head coach Tom Cable also admitted the team would have taken Russell Okung or Trent Williams if they were available to him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/kirk-morrison-is-on-the-way-out-of-oakland/

Aftermath
04-23-2010, 02:28 PM
DO IT . Morrison is beast

Broncoman13
04-23-2010, 02:30 PM
I'd give up a late round pick for Morrison. He is a smart player that produces. He would fit well next to DJ as a two down LB and it wouldn't cost us a 2nd or 3rd round pick which is the other option right now.

RonDaChamp24
04-23-2010, 02:30 PM
I think we'll get Sean Lee or Brandon Spikes in this draft, but for any reason we don't, wouldn't be surprised to see us take Morrison. He'd be a good addition too.

UberBroncoMan
04-23-2010, 02:34 PM
I'd give Oakland our 5th round pick for him in a heartbeat. Had we not lost a our last 4th or our third 3rd for Tebow I would have been willing to go as high as a 3 too.

Hell yeah for a 5 though.

eddie mac
04-23-2010, 02:40 PM
1. I doubt whether Davis will give Martindale one of his own proteges back.

2. I have serious doubts about him playing alongside DJ. Morrison is certainly not a thumper, hence his dumping and the drafting of McClain.

3. Davis hates the Broncos, and would not even release Lamont Jordan at a point because he'd heard we would try to sign him.

UberBroncoMan
04-23-2010, 02:49 PM
1. I doubt whether Davis will give Martindale one of his own proteges back.

2. I have serious doubts about him playing alongside DJ. Morrison is certainly not a thumper, hence his dumping and the drafting of McClain.

3. Davis hates the Broncos, and would not even release Lamont Jordan at a point because he'd heard we would try to sign him.

He traded for Gerard Warren. You never know.

bowtown
04-23-2010, 02:59 PM
He traded for Gerard Warren. You never know.

Trading for a player is very different than trading a player to us, especially a player that one of his old coaches might covet.

Broncoman13
04-23-2010, 03:00 PM
I'd give Oakland our 5th round pick for him in a heartbeat. Had we not lost a our last 4th or our third 3rd for Tebow I would have been willing to go as high as a 3 too.

Hell yeah for a 5 though.

We also got back a 4th rounder, why do you keep missing that?

GoHAM
04-23-2010, 03:15 PM
We also got back a 4th rounder, why do you keep missing that?

Unless NFL.com has it wrong, we do not have a 4th rounder.

Round 2, Pick 13 (45) -- --
Round 3, Pick 16 (80) -- --
Round 3, Pick 23 (87) (From Eagles) -- --
Round 5, Pick 6 (137) (From Browns through Eagles) -- --
Round 6, Pick 14 (183) -- --

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-round-input:2/dt-by-team-input:den

eddie mac
04-23-2010, 03:19 PM
We also got back a 4th rounder, why do you keep missing that?

Probably because NFL.com made a balls up. Dallas got that 4th in their trade with the Pats for Bryant. We got just the 1st rd pick in the Balti trade.

Florida_Bronco
04-23-2010, 03:59 PM
Probably because NFL.com made a balls up. Dallas got that 4th in their trade with the Pats for Bryant. We got just the 1st rd pick in the Balti trade.

So we do have a 4th?

boppool
04-23-2010, 04:07 PM
I'd love to have him for a third

TonyR
04-23-2010, 04:59 PM
Davis hates the Broncos...

Wasn't his issue more with Shanahan than the Broncos?

Pendejo
04-23-2010, 06:34 PM
Wasn't his issue more with Shanahan than the Broncos?

No.