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Pontius Pirate
03-02-2010, 01:04 PM
This is crazy. The top 2 guys at Infinity Ward, who made Modern Warfare 2, were walked out of their office yesterday by security. Activision is alleging insubordination and possible litigation against them.

MW2 generated over 1B in cash in 2009 - that puts it right alongside Avatar.

http://kotaku.com/5483492/scandal-hits-call-of-duty-devs-what-we-know-[update]

On a different note, Battlefield Bad Company 2 hits the shelves today. Go Battlefield!

Los Broncos
03-02-2010, 01:08 PM
Wow, that is crazy.

Doggcow
03-02-2010, 01:11 PM
MW2 is a mediocre rehash product

Flex Gunmetal
03-02-2010, 01:12 PM
Crazy!
Wish my PC could run BC2, but I doubt it. It runs MW2 fine on high. Need to get real, still running 3700+ and 1950GT, which was tits like 5 years ago lol.

Requiem
03-02-2010, 01:14 PM
I think we should go outside and play tag instead.

bronco militia
03-02-2010, 01:24 PM
I think we should go outside and play tag instead.

beebee gun wars is much cooler

cmhargrove
03-02-2010, 01:25 PM
Fire McDaniels, this sucks!!!










Oh, sorry...

HILife
03-02-2010, 01:28 PM
I like MW2. Not as good as I was expecting it to be, but still a good game. I need to look into BattleField 2. I'm hearing good things about it. Also FFXIII coming out next week. Already got it reserved.

bpc
03-02-2010, 01:30 PM
Never played it but if they did that well with one game, I don't think they'll be looking for work long.

HILife
03-02-2010, 01:31 PM
Never played it but if they did that well with one game, I don't think they'll be looking for work long.

depends on what they did.

Tombstone RJ
03-02-2010, 01:43 PM
Sounds like they were developing something on the side and Activision got wind of it, hence "insubordination." They probably got caught, got fired, and now Activision wants to see if any of their secrets have been stolen, or something along those lines...

Rabb
03-02-2010, 01:50 PM
it was a glitchy and disappointing piece of garbage...can't wait until Battlefield today

Los Broncos
03-02-2010, 01:52 PM
it was a glitchy and disappointing piece of garbage...can't wait until Battlefield today

Yeah plenty of glitches in the game, still fun to play but the fun will wear off at some point.

I played the Bad Company demo, cool game.

Natedog24
03-02-2010, 03:35 PM
Activision is the new EA

ludo21
03-02-2010, 03:39 PM
MW2 was a blast and still is online.

gyldenlove
03-02-2010, 03:41 PM
The only serious problem I have with MW2 is the lack of dedicated servers - that would fix a lot of things.

ant1999e
03-02-2010, 03:56 PM
MW2 was a blast and still is online.

No doubt. Don't know what these drama queens are talking about.

Boobs McGee
03-02-2010, 04:23 PM
The only serious problem I have with MW2 is the lack of dedicated servers - that would fix a lot of things.

I agree with this...I don't know what drawbacks there are as far as dedicated servers go, but it would seem like a great idea.

Can anyone enlighten me?


And PS, NICE JOB SONY! Don't know if anyone heard about the bug, but it was fixed in about 2 days. THATS customer service! kudos

Pony Boy
03-02-2010, 04:45 PM
DEAD
I mean dead.

In 10 years, Beavis has managed to do more than anyone man.
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Jerry Curl
03-02-2010, 05:52 PM
MW2 is tits, just prestige'd for the first time the other night.

want2bAbronco2
03-02-2010, 06:03 PM
The only serious problem I have with MW2 is the lack of dedicated servers - that would fix a lot of things.

OMG that needs to be the 1st thing they do. I am sick of waiting 20minutes to find a match when playing with 6-9 friends. Also the lag is stupid, sick of sneaking up on people shooting them, then stabbing them, just to have them turn around and stab me.

"Hilife, Also FFXIII coming out next week. Already got it reserved."
Have you heard much about it? friend was telling me that they took out the cities/freeroaming part of it and no customizing weapons/stores. Just a straight through game and can buy stuff at each save point. Have to let me know how it is, i was stoked for it, but not if they take all the RPG parts away from it.

UberBroncoMan
03-02-2010, 06:11 PM
One of two things happened.

A. IW heads increased in their godlike complexes and kept burning bridges with Activision because how could they get fired after a $1 billion hit.

B. Activision was being cheap and doing some shady **** that the IW heads didn't stand for, so they got the axe for being insubordinate.

I wouldn't be surprised by either based on what I know about the dudes fired and Activision. They both can piss off imo.

Don't be shocked to see a new studio start up in a few months with these ex-IF'ers heading it up. Wouldn't be amazed if they signed with EA either.

UberBroncoMan
03-02-2010, 06:16 PM
I agree with this...I don't know what drawbacks there are as far as dedicated servers go, but it would seem like a great idea.

Can anyone enlighten me?


And PS, NICE JOB SONY! Don't know if anyone heard about the bug, but it was fixed in about 2 days. THATS customer service! kudos

Sony didn't "fix" ****. It absolved itself after a 24 hour period. It just assumed it was a leap year so it went bonkers on the February 29th that didn't exist. After it passed everything went back to normal.

As for dedicated servers. It gives users direct control over player limits, custom maps, custom modes, mods, etc, etc. CoD4 had a much higher player limit on PC than MW2.

It was just Infinity Ward and Activision being ****ing idiots, and now EA switched Bad Company 2 over to PC (the first BC wasn't on PC) to soak up the alienated playerbase.

rmsanger
03-02-2010, 06:27 PM
I like it, definately not as good as Uncharted 2 but still good. I wish the killstreaks was toned down a bit! I get sick of the constant chopper gunners, harriers, and care packages.

Drek
03-02-2010, 06:37 PM
One of two things happened.

A. IW heads increased in their godlike complexes and kept burning bridges with Activision because how could they get fired after a $1 billion hit.

B. Activision was being cheap and doing some shady **** that the IW heads didn't stand for, so they got the axe for being insubordinate.

I wouldn't be surprised by either based on what I know about the dudes fired and Activision. They both can piss off imo.

Don't be shocked to see a new studio start up in a few months with these ex-IF'ers heading it up. Wouldn't be amazed if they signed with EA either.
From how I understand it the conversation basically went like this:

Bobby Kotick (CEO, Activision Blizzard): "Yo, you guys gonna get MW3 out for next Christmas, RIGHT!?"

IW Project Leads: "Um, **** no Bobby. We're making a new IP, it might be out by late 2011 at the soonest. DEAL WITH IT."

Kotick: "No, you will make MW3."

IW PLs: "Suck our dicks, we're your golden goose."

Kotick: "**** YOU MOTHER****ERS!"

End scene.

Florida_Bronco
03-02-2010, 06:43 PM
Drek, what is an IP?

Lev Vyvanse
03-02-2010, 07:13 PM
Drek, what is an IP?

I think he means intellectual property.

Florida_Bronco
03-02-2010, 07:15 PM
Gotcha.

extralife
03-02-2010, 07:17 PM
they knew what they were getting into when they sold the company to Activision in the first place. this is how the video game industry works--they don't like it, they had all the money and prestige in the world to be independent. their fault.

RhymesayersDU
03-02-2010, 08:10 PM
MW2 was a blast and still is online.

Exactly, I play at least every other day.

Broncobiv
03-02-2010, 08:50 PM
Is MW2 good for single player? I don't want to pay for Xbox Live.

I've heard good things about it. Just never really been into first-person shooters (the last one I played was Quake II on PC). So if I can't play online, is it worth it?

gyldenlove
03-02-2010, 09:04 PM
Is MW2 good for single player? I don't want to pay for Xbox Live.

I've heard good things about it. Just never really been into first-person shooters (the last one I played was Quake II on PC). So if I can't play online, is it worth it?

The single player campaign is really good but too short, they have a spec ops which is meant for two people coop play but can also be played single player which is fun when you are 2 but lame when you are 1. It is better than world at war for single player, but not as good as MW1 or COD2.

McDman
03-02-2010, 09:07 PM
Yeah plenty of glitches in the game, still fun to play but the fun will wear off at some point.

I played the Bad Company demo, cool game.

I've played the demo as well and I didn't find it to be fun at all. It wasn't smooth and it didn't hold my attention. I felt myself wanting to play MW2 right away again, either that or Fifa.

ghwk
03-02-2010, 10:01 PM
Is MW2 good for single player? I don't want to pay for Xbox Live.

I've heard good things about it. Just never really been into first-person shooters (the last one I played was Quake II on PC). So if I can't play online, is it worth it?

I enjoyed single player a lot Biv but I just use it for brainless mind fun on easy mode at the end of the day. Honestly I don;t want to work that hard at these, I just want to have fun with it. I enjoyed crysis for the same reason, especially once I downloaded a bunch of hacks!

Boobs McGee
03-02-2010, 10:50 PM
Sony didn't "fix" ****. It absolved itself after a 24 hour period. It just assumed it was a leap year so it went bonkers on the February 29th that didn't exist. After it passed everything went back to normal.

As for dedicated servers. It gives users direct control over player limits, custom maps, custom modes, mods, etc, etc. CoD4 had a much higher player limit on PC than MW2.

It was just Infinity Ward and Activision being ****ing idiots, and now EA switched Bad Company 2 over to PC (the first BC wasn't on PC) to soak up the alienated playerbase.

lol at me for thinking they actually did something. I just happened to get home, read the article about the problem, and follow their advice for not playing that day. THEN, when I turned on my ps3 today, there was an update, so naturally I assumed that they'd sent out a fix. Just looked it up, and you're 100% correct. The problem fixed itself.

Ha.

as to the dedicated server, as it stands now I thought the game was essentially "attatched" to the player with the best connection in that particular game. Would a dedicated server eliminate the frequency with which it seems you get disconnected?

Killericon
03-02-2010, 11:35 PM
EA's gonna give them $10 Million a year to make Battlefield games for them.

Los Broncos
03-02-2010, 11:48 PM
I've played the demo as well and I didn't find it to be fun at all. It wasn't smooth and it didn't hold my attention. I felt myself wanting to play MW2 right away again, either that or Fifa.

Same here, I won't be buying the game.

The demo was good enough, I have to many other games to finish.

Doggcow
03-03-2010, 12:00 AM
I've played the demo as well and I didn't find it to be fun at all. It wasn't smooth and it didn't hold my attention. I felt myself wanting to play MW2 right away again, either that or Fifa.

Because it's harder to play. People keep thinking that BC2 is here to compete with MW2... It's a completely different game. It's not the rambo around and cheese your ass off like a ****** game, you actually have to use strategy and pay attention to what is going on, not just sit there and look at your map to see where everyone is, get some ridiculous killstreak rewards and then massacre the battlefield...

UberBroncoMan
03-03-2010, 07:13 AM
lol at me for thinking they actually did something. I just happened to get home, read the article about the problem, and follow their advice for not playing that day. THEN, when I turned on my ps3 today, there was an update, so naturally I assumed that they'd sent out a fix. Just looked it up, and you're 100% correct. The problem fixed itself.

Ha.

as to the dedicated server, as it stands now I thought the game was essentially "attatched" to the player with the best connection in that particular game. Would a dedicated server eliminate the frequency with which it seems you get disconnected?

It would indeed eliminate that issue completely since a dedicated server isn't being run by a player's connection. The only reason you'd get connected on a dedicated server is either your own fault or a server crash (and crashes are quite rare). It would also let you chose servers with ping that's favorable to everyone, this eliminating the need for some retarded match maker to chose who you play with.

Rabb
03-03-2010, 07:21 AM
Yeah plenty of glitches in the game, still fun to play but the fun will wear off at some point.

I played the Bad Company demo, cool game.

I loved MW2 for a while, then the stupid glitches came in, and it was one after another and it made the game damn near unplayable for a while online. I got the game for multiplayer, and they destroyed it. Not to mention, the lobbies are still ****ed up.

Rabb
03-03-2010, 07:24 AM
Because it's harder to play. People keep thinking that BC2 is here to compete with MW2... It's a completely different game. It's not the rambo around and cheese your ass off like a ****** game, you actually have to use strategy and pay attention to what is going on, not just sit there and look at your map to see where everyone is, get some ridiculous killstreak rewards and then massacre the battlefield...

yep, same with the people that bash MAG

they are used to running around like an idiot and succeeding...BFBC2 and MAG you actually have to *gasp* play as a TEAM to win

McDman
03-03-2010, 07:42 AM
Because it's harder to play. People keep thinking that BC2 is here to compete with MW2... It's a completely different game. It's not the rambo around and cheese your ass off like a ****** game, you actually have to use strategy and pay attention to what is going on, not just sit there and look at your map to see where everyone is, get some ridiculous killstreak rewards and then massacre the battlefield...

The only reason I found it to be harder is because it is not as smooth. I really don't see how that much more strategy is going to be in it, when I played it was people running around or driving around.

The only reason it may have more strategy is because of the bomb sites and MW2 has that kind of game as well.

Boobs McGee
03-03-2010, 07:54 AM
It would indeed eliminate that issue completely since a dedicated server isn't being run by a player's connection. The only reason you'd get connected on a dedicated server is either your own fault or a server crash (and crashes are quite rare). It would also let you chose servers with ping that's favorable to everyone, this eliminating the need for some retarded match maker to chose who you play with.

So pretty much exactly like it was when I played alot of Counterstrike back in the day. That'd be really nice...can't believe they didn't have the foresight to create it that way in the first place.

COME ON modern warfare, make this **** happen.

McDman
03-03-2010, 08:19 AM
So pretty much exactly like it was when I played alot of Counterstrike back in the day. That'd be really nice...can't believe they didn't have the foresight to create it that way in the first place.

COME ON modern warfare, make this **** happen.

CS and DOD were the SHIIIIIIIT back in the day.

Boobs McGee
03-03-2010, 03:50 PM
CS and DOD were the SHIIIIIIIT back in the day.

I spent a very large portion of my life playing those games at pc bangs in california haha. Oh, counterstrike. Dust, dust2, aztec, office....****ing LOVED THAT GAME.

Jerry Curl
03-03-2010, 11:21 PM
I loved MW2 for a while, then the stupid glitches came in, and it was one after another and it made the game damn near unplayable for a while online. I got the game for multiplayer, and they destroyed it. Not to mention, the lobbies are still ****ed up.

most have been fixed to my knowledge. MW2 > BC2

Rabb
03-04-2010, 06:54 AM
most have been fixed to my knowledge. MW2 > BC2

they are different games, play them both before you speak about that...because they are not intended to be the same

and yeah they may have fixed them, but you can thank IW for allowing you all to pay $60 to participate in their Beta program...if you are ok with that, have fun!

UberBroncoMan
03-04-2010, 08:50 AM
So pretty much exactly like it was when I played alot of Counterstrike back in the day. That'd be really nice...can't believe they didn't have the foresight to create it that way in the first place.

COME ON modern warfare, make this **** happen.

Actually Call of Duty 4 has dedicated servers. They could have easily implemented it during development. They CHOSE to do match making over dedicated servers. Has nothing to do with foresight. They took a risk that they could spit in the face of PC gamers in order to streamline the game and now they're going to lose a chunk of their market dominance in that area.

kamakazi_kal
03-04-2010, 09:18 AM
Is MW2 good for single player? I don't want to pay for Xbox Live.

I've heard good things about it. Just never really been into first-person shooters (the last one I played was Quake II on PC). So if I can't play online, is it worth it?

Man multiplayer is where it's at with MW2. That game was made for it. 2 more map packs are supposed to come out in the next 6 months. I also here they have considered releasing updated versions of MW1 multiplayer maps.

Jerry Curl
03-04-2010, 11:05 AM
they are different games, play them both before you speak about that...because they are not intended to be the same

and yeah they may have fixed them, but you can thank IW for allowing you all to pay $60 to participate in their Beta program...if you are ok with that, have fun!

I know they're different games, obviously. I've played both, I know they're not the same shoot em up style. Can I speak about them now? MW2 in any capacity as a game is > than BC2, mmk. Personally anyways.

Beta program? please. Most, if not all games, have glitches in them. Am I happy paying $60 for it, yep. Sure it was annoying for the few days the javelin glitch was out, but it got fixed and same thing goes for the care package/environmental glitch.

Rabb
03-04-2010, 11:17 AM
very well, although I think you took my post a little too personally there chief

but whatever, to each his own

Chris
03-04-2010, 12:05 PM
http://kotaku.com/5485703/ousted-infinity-ward-founders-lawsuit-against-activision-the-court-documents/gallery/#

WHAT HAPPENED: The two developers were promised royalties as part of their contract for Modern Warfare 2. They're claiming Activision fired them under false pretenses in order to avoid paying those royalties.

The lawsuit then gives background about the company, including alleging that Activision purposely gave Infinity Ward a small budget for Call of Duty in order to buy 30% of its stock for cheap since the small budget would keep them from fighting it.

It also states some things we all know; sales figures, revenue numbers, etc. West and Zampella (the two developers and plaintiffs) had only one year on their contract before MW2 started. They were reluctant to get an extension on their contract, but did so anyway because Activision promised complete control of IW AND creative control over any post-Vietnam Call of Duty and MW games that might be developed.

Blah, blah, blah; more sales figures and talks of how MW2 was praised upon release. Activision then launched the investigation of Zampella and West about a week after the release of MW2. They hired outside lawyers and investigators to question other employees (some of whom cried from anxiety) and threatened insubordination charges if the two plaintiffs tried to console the other employees.

West and Zampella then said they were going to talk to their lawyers, at which point they were told Activision would make things worse if they did. The two men were also never told what exactly they had done wrong at any given point during the investigation. Activision strung the investigation along, then gave the two IW guys about six hours to respond to the accusations. A couple days later, Activision announced the new Call of Duty games they want to make (which were posted in another article).

WHAT THEY WANT: The first claim is to about US$36 million in damages. Second, they also want control of the Modern Warfare franchise back, since that was what was promised. Third, they also say Activision cannot make any further MW games OR post-Vietnam Call of Duties set in the present, near future, or far future. Fourth, they feel that Activision owes them their royalties and bonuses regardless of whether or not their termination from IW was legitimate. And obviously, they want their attorney fees covered.

McDman
03-11-2010, 09:01 PM
I spent a very large portion of my life playing those games at pc bangs in california haha. Oh, counterstrike. Dust, dust2, aztec, office....****ing LOVED THAT GAME.

As did I. I loved assault for CS and Caen for DOD.

Florida_Bronco
03-11-2010, 09:08 PM
http://kotaku.com/5485703/ousted-infinity-ward-founders-lawsuit-against-activision-the-court-documents/gallery/#

Interesting.

Chris
03-11-2010, 11:16 PM
As did I. I loved assault for CS and Caen for DOD.

you guys are after my own heart. I used to nag the dod team on icq and now I'm in my 6th year in the industry

TotallyScrewed
03-12-2010, 07:06 AM
beebee gun wars is much cooler

I remember in the long ago when my best friend bet me that my minibike was faster than my BBgun. I gave him a five second head start and then I shot him. He was probably 75 feet away...

Bottle rocket wars are fun too.

I have to draw the line there though. I was not about to try the crazy stuff kids do with skateboards.

Sir_Robin
03-12-2010, 10:31 AM
I remember in the long ago when my best friend bet me that my minibike was faster than my BBgun. I gave him a five second head start and then I shot him. He was probably 75 feet away...

Bottle rocket wars are fun too.

I have to draw the line there though. I was not about to try the crazy stuff kids do with skateboards.

I'll go out on a limb and guess that his minibike was incapable of doing 0 to 280 mph in that 5 seconds and thus escaping unharmed. I'm sure you had a good laugh that day!