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chaz
03-01-2010, 06:13 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-bryantrisk022810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Former Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant is emerging as the favorite for the most dubious title in the NFL Draft.

Biggest risk.

Three sources with direct knowledge of Bryant from his days in college, where he missed the final 10 games last season because of lying to NCAA investigators, said Bryant’s antics were “consistently irresponsible.”

Bryant is expected to be a first-round pick in April. Some draftniks have predicted that he will go in the top 10, although the consensus appears to be the top 15. Whoever takes him does so at their own peril.

“I wouldn’t draft that kid unless I had someone to wake him up in the morning to get to meetings, someone to wake him up for practice and someone to wake him up for games,” one source said.

A second source said Bryant’s reputation was earned because he was consistently late to team activities. That included showing up late for games.

“We’re not just talking about being a little late for warmups, but like being late for the actual game,” a source said with a chuckle. “When you start to hear some of the stories of there, you go, ‘He did what?’ ”

Bryant recently defended himself against questions about his past by claiming he is a “great person” in an interview with NFL Network. While that may be a stretch, his episodes of irresponsible behavior aren’t considered malicious.

“Dez isn’t evil, he’s not trying to hurt anybody. He’s just goofy,” another source said. “But it does make you think, ‘If he’s like this in college, what’s it going to be like when he gets paid?’ ”

The NCAA investigation of Bryant initially revolved around illicit benefits Bryant received while in college. Among the items the NCAA examined were cell phones Bryant had for himself and his girlfriend that were being paid for by another party, although Bryant claimed he paid cash to the other person.

The investigation eventually led to a 10-game ban by Oklahoma State when Bryant lied to NCAA investigators about his interactions with former NFL star and current NFL Network analyst Deion Sanders.

Zoobie
03-01-2010, 07:24 PM
Three unnamed sources, real credible.

gyldenlove
03-01-2010, 08:04 PM
Doesn't surprise me, this guy is trouble, whoever ends up with him better have a structure in place to deal with him.

theAPAOps5
03-01-2010, 08:53 PM
We need to get josina on the case. I bet she has a "source."

Play2win
03-01-2010, 08:59 PM
We need to get josina on the case. I bet she has a "source."

Yeah, she has a source alright... A source like the Mississippi...

Mediator12
03-02-2010, 06:00 AM
Three unnamed sources, real credible.

There is more in his scouting report than is being released. We all have stuff that we are not proud of doing, especially in College. I agree with what the one guy said totally though:

“Dez isn’t evil, he’s not trying to hurt anybody. He’s just goofy,” another source said. “But it does make you think, ‘If he’s like this in college, what’s it going to be like when he gets paid?’ ”

The questions that are around his character are about his work ethic, decision making, and professionalism. Basically he has a couple of knocks on whether he works hard off the field and can handle getting paid. The worry is that Dez lacks discipline coming out of college and guys with his kind of talent need to play right away. Teams are worried about the risk of him not being able to handle that pressure to perform, because they worry about his off-field preparation.

Dez is not a bad guy, but he might lack the effort and drive off the field to reach his potential in the NFL as soon as someone drafting him that high would need him. He needs to impact right away and teams are worried he will not, despite his immense talent.

chaz
03-02-2010, 08:33 AM
There is more in his scouting report than is being released. We all have stuff that we are not proud of doing, especially in College. I agree with what the one guy said totally though:



The questions that are around his character are about his work ethic, decision making, and professionalism. Basically he has a couple of knocks on whether he works hard off the field and can handle getting paid. The worry is that Dez lacks discipline coming out of college and guys with his kind of talent need to play right away. Teams are worried about the risk of him not being able to handle that pressure to perform, because they worry about his off-field preparation.

Dez is not a bad guy, but he might lack the effort and drive off the field to reach his potential in the NFL as soon as someone drafting him that high would need him. He needs to impact right away and teams are worried he will not, despite his immense talent.

I agree completely. I also think it is worth mentioning that from all accounts Dez showed up for the combine in great shape despite the suspension and hamstring issue.

the only question if the motivation will decline after the paychecks start coming.

gyldenlove
03-02-2010, 09:58 AM
I agree completely. I also think it is worth mentioning that from all accounts Dez showed up for the combine in great shape despite the suspension and hamstring issue.

the only question if the motivation will decline after the paychecks start coming.

That is the problem, a player in his last year of college has so few things to worry about, there is no academic eligibility anymore since it is the last year, all you have to do is stay out of trouble and show up on time - Dez managed neither of those and that was with the incentive of a huge rookie contract.

He is not pacman Jones, but he is trouble.

Traveler
03-17-2010, 11:26 AM
Read recently that there a a very good posibility he slip out og th1st round because of character issues.

Rohirrim
03-17-2010, 12:13 PM
90% of the mocks I've seen have the Broncos taking him at 11. I sure hope not. Lelie: Phase II.

BowlenBall
03-17-2010, 12:22 PM
From www.profootballweekly.com (http://www.profootballweekly.com):

1. WR-PR Dez Bryant
Oklahoma State junior
Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 225 | Sp: 4.5e | Arm: 34 | Hand: 9 3/4

Notes: Parade All-American whose tenuous academic standing scared off some schools until late in the process. Committed to Oklahoma State in large part because of its early interest and assistant coach Gunter Brewer's association with Randy Moss (Brewer coached Moss at Marshall). Bryant was born to a teenage mother who had three children by age 18 and sold drugs to get by (she spent 18 months in jail when Dez was 8). Endured an unstable upbringing and was placed in special education classes as a high school freshman because of a learning disability. It was around that time when he left his mother and moved in with his father (who is nearly 30 years older than his mother) and stepmother. In October of 2008, Bryant's high school coach told the New York Times, "I've taken him to probably six or seven different places he called home. It wasn't an ideal family situation. He was from trailer to trailer and house to house." Combative and stubborn during his high school years, Bryant was kicked out of the house and moved in with his girlfriend at the time before qualifying academically. Played in 12 games (three starts) as a true freshman in '07, catching 43 balls for 622 yards (14.5-yard average) and six touchdowns with two punt returns for 15 yards (7.5) and zero TDs. Was suspended for the Florida Atlantic contest for being late to team meetings. Started all 13 games at the flanker spot in '08, racking up 87-1,480-19 (17.0) receiving (113.9 yards per game) and 17-305-2 (17.9) on punt returns. Also returned four kickoffs for 100 yards (25.0). Took a shot under the chin on the first series against Missouri but returned after being checked for concussion symptoms. Piled up 13-167-1 against Oregon in the Holiday Bowl before incurring a small ligament tear in his left knee and having worn a brace to play through it. Had the knee surgically repaired in January '09 and did not participate in spring practice. In the fall, saw action in three games - managed 17-323-4 (19.0) receiving, 3-111-1 (37.0) returning punts and 2-43 (21.5) returning kickoffs before the NCAA imposed a season-long suspension for lying about his relationship with Deion Sanders, who was under suspicion of courting Bryant as a potential client for agent Eugene Parker.

Positives: Exceptionally competitive gamer. Attacks the ball in the air with very strong hands and very long arms to sky over defensive backs, highpoint the ball and pluck it out of the air. Catches in stride and immediately turns into a running back, sifting through traffic and creating after the catch - very good run vision and instincts. Does not go down easily. Can bend and sink into his routes and adjusts well to the low ball. Can make the acrobatic circus catch and one-handed snags and will lay out parallel to the ground and sacrifice his body to haul it in. Tracks the deep ball extremely well. Outstanding hand-eye coordination and body control. Will cross the middle and has shown he can take a hit. Has a feel for coverage and keeps working to uncover.

Negatives: Is not a crafty route runner. Will make some concentration drops. Not overly elusive after the catch. Too naïve and immature. Many big gains came on improvised, broken plays in a simplified offense, and he may require an adjustment period to an NFL offense. Missed most of his last season after making questionable decisions and is too easily influenced and too much of a follower. Needs to learn what it means to be a pro and become more accountable. Too unreliable and does not show enough respect for the game.

Summary: A terrific game-day competitor with immaturity issues that could sidetrack a brilliant career if he does not learn that he will not be able to get by on his natural talent alone at the pro level. Appeared heavier and less agile as a junior than he did early in his career and showed up at the Combine at a bulked-up 225 pounds and did not work out. Proved he could be a difference maker from Day One in college and has the physical traits to become a dominating, No. 1 receiver if he figures out the meaning of hard work.

NFL projection: Top-15 pick.

Way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many red flags to take this cat at #11 overall. If he falls to #20 or below, he's worth it. Otherwise, no thanks.

Rohirrim
03-17-2010, 12:33 PM
Way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many red flags to take this cat at #11 overall. If he falls to #20 or below, he's worth it. Otherwise, no thanks.

Damn. Send that to Xanders out at Dove Valley.

I wouldn't touch that dude with a third round pick.

Kaylore
03-17-2010, 07:20 PM
His wonderlic came back suggesting the reports of the learning disability are accurate.

meangene
03-18-2010, 03:15 AM
Damn. Send that to Xanders out at Dove Valley.

I wouldn't touch that dude with a third round pick.

This. He is exactly what we don't want and are trying to weed out in Denver. Pass!

ELEVATION
03-18-2010, 05:56 AM
this story is pre draft garbage.....gundy hates late players as evidenced by his discipline of cox before the bowl game....bryant was never disciplined or suspended by the team...he was 2008 all academic, and a elite WR....and he simply covered his ass and the NCAA went judge dredd on him....

the concerns about him are way overblown...

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-18-2010, 10:17 AM
We've been having this debate over on Mania. Everyone just wants to bury this kid. I think it stems from the frustration we will probably lose Marshall and need to replace him.

I readily concede there are some potential concerns with Bryant, but I think they are way overblown.

The guy was a 2nd Team All-Academic Big 12 performer, his college GPA was between a 3.0 and 3.2. Considering he started with a learning disability and crackhead mom, and worked his ass off to achieve respectable results, I think that speaks to both his work ethic and his intelligence. Sure, he didn't slam the Wonderlic, he's obviously not a genius, but he did beat quite a few athletes that do not have learning disabilities. At least he has an excuse.

I mean, if Micheal Oher gets a movie, Dez Bryant has to be next right? The stories are similar to a degree. I'd also like to point out Micheal Oher worked out just fine for the Ravens.

From all accounts, Dez was late one time as a Freshman, suspended for one game. These three anonymous sources could be anyone, and a yahoo.com report? Puh-leeze. His coaches and teammates have been behind him, they haven't said anything negative.

As for Sanders, we all have our thoughts on that. I think we all know he got busted talking about which agent he was going to hire. That's a stupid college rule. Everyone does it. He just got caught, refused to tattle on Sanders as a runner for Parker, so the NCAA crushed him. I argue there is some integrity in not ratting out your idol/friend to save your ass. But, this was not a "character red flag" in my book. He just got caught. Reggie Bush did the same thing to a larger degree. He hasn't been a character risk in the NFL.

As for work ethic, we'll have to see. I know I watched Dez Bryant on ESPN's WR challenge a month ago and he was smoking Mardy Gilyard, Damian Williams, and Jordan Shipley in most of the drills. He's in shape, he looks good. We know he's a ridiculous talent at WR and on Punt Returns. After being suspended this year, that's a testament to some sort of work ethic. He wasn't allowed at practice or at a professional training facility because he was petitioning his suspension and wanted to maintain his eligibility if it was overruled. Remember, he was only a Junior this year.

As for Bryant slipping in the draft, I doubt it. He's too good. If he slips, it will be due to a terrible 40 time. I have no clue what he will run. He looked plenty fast on those punt returns to me. I have to think a 4.55 or so at worst. He needs to quit pushing his Pro Day back though, Oklahoma State is getting annoyed.

chaz
03-19-2010, 12:35 PM
this story is pre draft garbage.....gundy hates late players as evidenced by his discipline of cox before the bowl game....bryant was never disciplined or suspended by the team...he was 2008 all academic, and a elite WR....and he simply covered his ass and the NCAA went judge dredd on him....

the concerns about him are way overblown...

false.

to be honest, his issues don't really scare me too much if it weren't for our FO trying to ship a pretty similar WR out of town.

I've seen the mega-talented, "good guy", but immature thing play out already...

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-19-2010, 02:18 PM
Dez Bryant responded to the rumors about him today, saying they were not true. Even though most of us knew three anonymous guys telling Yahoo.com anything was crap anyway. Regardless, Bryant *sounds* really good here.


There has been much debate about whether the Miami Dolphins should select embattled Oklahoma State star wide receiver Dez Bryant if he's available at No. 12 in next month's NFL Draft.

Regarded as the best receiver in the draft, Bryant (6-2 and 225 pounds) has drawn comparisons to Andre Johnson of the Houston Texans with his size, speed and athleticism, but concerns about his character have plagued the wideout.

"All of it is just rumors," Bryant said in an interview Thursday with Orlando Alzugaray of WQAM (560-AM). "I don't know why people are saying those things. I feel like if you're going to write something about somebody you need to ask that person instead of writing things like that. I surround myself with positive people. I don't have time to get into trouble. I'm trying to pursue my dream, which is to play in the NFL. ... I never did anything wrong. I never committed a crime.

"It bothers me a lot," he said. "I just had a talk with my advisor and my agent [Wednesday], and I told them that I'm not a bad person and I'm not used to people saying bad things about me. I like to make people smile. I like to bring excitement because that's what I do, and I want to keep it that way. I don't want a bad image. My bad image in my childhood, that is long gone. I've surrounded myself with bright people and I'm going to continue to stay out of trouble and move forward and play in the NFL."

Bryant also dismissed reports that he's shown up late for practices and games.

"I've never been late to a game or a practice. My freshman year, I've been late for a meeting. But as my career got going at Oklahoma State I [became more responsible]. I overcame a lot. Everything is positive now."

Bryant said he believes much of the criticism he's received stems from his suspension for lying to the NCAA about his relationship with former NFL star Deion Sanders.

"I really do feel like that's when it started," he said. "At the same time, I manned up for what I did wrong and told the truth. I feel like I didn't get the credit I deserve. I know God is going to take care of the rest. That's Ok, though. That's in the past and I've moved forward. I'm just trying to do something better with my life. I just want to jump on an NFL team and make that team feel great about having me. ... Whoever drafts me they're going to get what they want out of me. I'm going to give it my all and play my hardest. I have a real strong passion for the game. I LOVE football. I'm just ready to get on the field again."

Bryant caught 87 passes for 1,480 yards and 19 touchdowns in 2008, and scored twice on punt returns. Last season, he led the team with 17 catches for 323 yards and four touchdowns in three games before being ruled ineligible.
Copyright © 2010, South Florida Sun-Sentinel


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-dez-bryant-nfl-draft-031910,0,3266559.story

ELEVATION
03-19-2010, 06:01 PM
false.

to be honest, his issues don't really scare me too much if it weren't for our FO trying to ship a pretty similar WR out of town.

I've seen the mega-talented, "good guy", but immature thing play out already...

not false he was suspened by the NCAA not Oklahoma state....

DBroncos4life
03-19-2010, 06:18 PM
I want the 49ers to draft him. All this debate about who would be the better pro between Bryant and Crabtree would take a amazing twist if they both played on the same team.

gyldenlove
03-19-2010, 06:20 PM
I want the 49ers to draft him. All this debate about who would be the better pro between Bryant and Crabtree would take a amazing twist if they both played on the same team.

That kind of ruins the argument though, if they both play for the 49ers neither will be a good pro.

meangene
03-19-2010, 07:35 PM
Dez Bryant responded to the rumors about him today, saying they were not true. Even though most of us knew three anonymous guys telling Yahoo.com anything was crap anyway. Regardless, Bryant *sounds* really good here.





http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-dez-bryant-nfl-draft-031910,0,3266559.story

Well, I'm not sure I would expect him to say anything different. He admits to being late to a meeting as a freshman and omits the fact that he lied to the NCAA about meeting with Sanders which was the basis of his suspension. That was this year - not when he was a freshman. Marshall sounds great in interviews most of the time and you almost want to believe him. There are enough quality receivers in this draft without the character questions. Maybe if you weren't talking about an early first round pick but I would have to pass on him. I really think this kid with money in his pocket is trouble waiting to happen. I wouldn't gamble the #11 pick in the draft to find out.

meangene
03-19-2010, 08:10 PM
NFLN reported Bryant was present at the Pacman Jones workout today to provide "moral support". Is this the kind of "positive" "bright" people he surrounds himself with? Trouble with a capital "T".

Cito Pelon
03-19-2010, 10:19 PM
90% of the mocks I've seen have the Broncos taking him at 11. I sure hope not. Lelie: Phase II.

Yeah, Dez at 11 seems to be popular. I think the team will do fine without spending #11 on Dez.

Baba Booey
03-20-2010, 01:54 AM
Like someone else said, way too many questions to take this guy at 11. I'd rather wait and see what kind of WR talent is around at 43.

Lev Vyvanse
03-20-2010, 05:46 AM
not false he was suspened by the NCAA not Oklahoma state....

He was suspended by Oklahoma St. as a freshman for one game.

Dedhed
03-20-2010, 07:12 AM
NFLN reported Bryant was present at the Pacman Jones workout today to provide "moral support". Is this the kind of "positive" "bright" people he surrounds himself with? Trouble with a capital "T".

I heard that report as well and was shocked. What kind of tool, and his agent, would want to link themselves to Pacman in any manner? I guess when you're "keepin' it real" things like that don't matter.

I was on the fence about this kid, but after that I would yank him off the draft board entirely. He has to be retarded.

meangene
03-20-2010, 08:18 AM
I heard that report as well and was shocked. What kind of tool, and his agent, would want to link themselves to Pacman in any manner? I guess when you're "keepin' it real" things like that don't matter.

I was on the fence about this kid, but after that I would yank him off the draft board entirely. He has to be retarded.

I was thinking the same thing - who is advising this kid? Does he have a brain?

gunns
03-20-2010, 08:34 AM
this story is pre draft garbage.....gundy hates late players as evidenced by his discipline of cox before the bowl game....bryant was never disciplined or suspended by the team...he was 2008 all academic, and a elite WR....and he simply covered his ass and the NCAA went judge dredd on him....

the concerns about him are way overblown...

If they are over blown where is somebody to discount these stories? You'd think he'd be walking on egg shells just before the draft with them coming out but he links himself to Jones? While I don't believe this kid is anywhere near the same league as Jones, you have to question his "desire" especially wondering what happens after he gets his pay day.

Mediator12
03-20-2010, 08:39 AM
not false he was suspened by the NCAA not Oklahoma state....

Did you see he was suspended his freshman year versus Florida Atlantic for being late to meetings? That was not in the yahoo report, that was in the PFW report above.

As for Going to see Pacman for "moral Support", it certainly places his press release to the Florida Sun-Sentinel in perspective doesn't it?

"It bothers me a lot," he said. "I just had a talk with my advisor and my agent [Wednesday], and I told them that I'm not a bad person and I'm not used to people saying bad things about me. I like to make people smile. I like to bring excitement because that's what I do, and I want to keep it that way. I don't want a bad image. My bad image in my childhood, that is long gone. I've surrounded myself with bright people and I'm going to continue to stay out of trouble and move forward and play in the NFL."

That quote alone now becomes highly suspect. Why are you taking time out to go "support" a highly controversial character player like Pacman Jones? How is that a good decision and one to stay positive in his image?

I think I will stand on what I said earlier in this thread. The kid is not a bad character at all, he just makes poor rash decisions without thinking or considering the consequences. Hand him a big contract and buyer beware what happens.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-20-2010, 04:25 PM
And...Bryant got screwed by the media again because they didn't investigate. Here's the scoop on he and Pac-Man.

They've both been training with renowed trainer Duke Rousse, a partner of Deion Sanders' "Prime U". They've formed a commraderie since they compete against each other every day. So, Bryant's moral support comment was simply the truth. Pac Man will probably be at Bryant's Pro Day for the same reason.


Article on Rousse, his clientele, etc...



Edited with hopefully functioning link:

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/03/local_athletic_trainer_duke_ro.html
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Mediator12
03-20-2010, 05:46 PM
And...Bryant got screwed by the media again because they didn't investigate. Here's the scoop on he and Pac-Man.

They've both been training with renowed trainer Duke Rousse, a partner of Deion Sanders' "Prime U". They've formed a commraderie since they compete against each other every day. So, Bryant's moral support comment was simply the truth. Pac Man will probably be at Bryant's Pro Day for the same reason.


Article on Rousse, his clientele, etc...

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...r_duke_ro.html
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Hey MUG that link does not work, but I found the articles where Bryant is training with Pacman at the same facility. Just goes to show you that the press is certainly trigger happy with guys who have been labeled trouble.

The problem, as I continue to restate it, is one of perception. The press certainly did him no favors with the way they presented the information. However, a guy like Bryant has no business publically "supporting" a guy like Pacman at this point in his life. If it was a former WVU star who knew him and had a spotless character history then so be it (Not sure that person exists ;D )

The difference here is one of positive perception. There is nothing positive about his relationship or support for Jones. Neither are at a stage where they exude positives on people, despite what Bryant might like to publically declare. In short, it can be a guilt by association problem. One that "bright" and positive advisors would consider before allowing to happen.

The thing that worries me is that Bryant might get the Crabtree attitude from last year. He will form an "us versus them" mentality to project what he wants to do anyway. He will hide from reality and listen to people who will give him the answers he wants and not what he needs.

There is nothing inherently wrong with supporting a guy you train with. In fact, it could be a good story if the extenuating circumstances of WHO Adam Jones used to be were not involved. It is not going to look good to people who are already questioning who your advisors, agent, and support group are. It looks like a rash decision that was not well thought through.

I certainly hope the best for this kid. He has had a real tough life and should really get a chance of the lifetime to break the cycle of cruelty he had to endure as a kid. It is the same way I feel about Marshall. The problem is I have been trained in cognitive behavioral psychology and with experience you see the patterns people simply struggle to break. It all starts with making sound decisions after screwing up. Then, getting the right influences in our life and listening to them when you need help. And, finally breaking the pattern of poor decisions. It takes a tremendous amount of time, effort, and energy to do this and a completely changed outlook on things.

Nothing in his behavior shows these changes. Words are empty here, it is about showing some real sacrifice and not putting yourself in a situation to fail. Showing up to that workout is a poor choice to me. Why do it? Obviously, someone could easily misconstrue the relevance and further tarnish the perception of who you are. We know this because it just happened. People who want to change stay away from places they know they can get into trouble. You do not send a recovering alcoholic into a bar. Bryant could wish Adam Jones well from afar and avoided this whole mess. It was just poor timing and a poor choice.

meangene
03-20-2010, 06:12 PM
A lot of these kids come from rough backgrounds. Some see the opportunity given them to play in the NFL, or even college - a free education, and take advantage of it to break out of the cycle they are in. Others never leave what they have always known - same patterns, same types of people, same values. Pacman is not someone you want to hang with as a young man trying to make something of yourself. He is a punk, or worse. It doesn't matter if you train with him or not. And, you've got two suspensions, injury issues which have made it impossible for you to work out for scouts thus far, repeated rescheduling of your pro day, and, in the midst of all these character concerns you decide to hang with Pacman? It would be foolish to take a chance on this kid with a premium pick.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-20-2010, 08:04 PM
Hey MUG that link does not work, but I found the articles where Bryant is training with Pacman at the same facility. Just goes to show you that the press is certainly trigger happy with guys who have been labeled trouble.

The problem, as I continue to restate it, is one of perception. The press certainly did him no favors with the way they presented the information. However, a guy like Bryant has no business publically "supporting" a guy like Pacman at this point in his life. If it was a former WVU star who knew him and had a spotless character history then so be it (Not sure that person exists ;D )

The difference here is one of positive perception. There is nothing positive about his relationship or support for Jones. Neither are at a stage where they exude positives on people, despite what Bryant might like to publically declare. In short, it can be a guilt by association problem. One that "bright" and positive advisors would consider before allowing to happen.

The thing that worries me is that Bryant might get the Crabtree attitude from last year. He will form an "us versus them" mentality to project what he wants to do anyway. He will hide from reality and listen to people who will give him the answers he wants and not what he needs.

There is nothing inherently wrong with supporting a guy you train with. In fact, it could be a good story if the extenuating circumstances of WHO Adam Jones used to be were not involved. It is not going to look good to people who are already questioning who your advisors, agent, and support group are. It looks like a rash decision that was not well thought through.

I certainly hope the best for this kid. He has had a real tough life and should really get a chance of the lifetime to break the cycle of cruelty he had to endure as a kid. It is the same way I feel about Marshall. The problem is I have been trained in cognitive behavioral psychology and with experience you see the patterns people simply struggle to break. It all starts with making sound decisions after screwing up. Then, getting the right influences in our life and listening to them when you need help. And, finally breaking the pattern of poor decisions. It takes a tremendous amount of time, effort, and energy to do this and a completely changed outlook on things.

Nothing in his behavior shows these changes. Words are empty here, it is about showing some real sacrifice and not putting yourself in a situation to fail. Showing up to that workout is a poor choice to me. Why do it? Obviously, someone could easily misconstrue the relevance and further tarnish the perception of who you are. We know this because it just happened. People who want to change stay away from places they know they can get into trouble. You do not send a recovering alcoholic into a bar. Bryant could wish Adam Jones well from afar and avoided this whole mess. It was just poor timing and a poor choice.


I agree it wasn't a good decision. But it's also a relative harmless one. I think he might just appreciate the help Pac Man gives him in training every day, Pac Man probably asked him to go, maybe he was worried nobody would really show up or maybe Jones' license is suspended and he needed someone to drive him. The high school near Tulane where he worked out is right where the training facility is, so this wasn't a massive trip or deal for Bryant to stop over.

Obviously, the media ran with it for the shock and WTF value. People have this perception now that he's been hanging with Pac Man for years and traveled across the country to his Pro Day. Reality is he just met the dude a month or two ago, has trained with him, and drove down the street to pop in at his local workout. It shouldn't have even made the news.

From all accounts, Dez is a nice guy. It probably didn't occur to him that he should have been a jerk and told Pac Man to shove off, he can't be seen with him. And since it was local, he probably didn't even tell his agent he was going to swing by.

Mediator12
03-21-2010, 06:25 AM
I agree it wasn't a good decision. But it's also a relative harmless one. I think he might just appreciate the help Pac Man gives him in training every day, Pac Man probably asked him to go, maybe he was worried nobody would really show up or maybe Jones' license is suspended and he needed someone to drive him. The high school near Tulane where he worked out is right where the training facility is, so this wasn't a massive trip or deal for Bryant to stop over.

Obviously, the media ran with it for the shock and WTF value. People have this perception now that he's been hanging with Pac Man for years and traveled across the country to his Pro Day. Reality is he just met the dude a month or two ago, has trained with him, and drove down the street to pop in at his local workout. It shouldn't have even made the news.

From all accounts, Dez is a nice guy. It probably didn't occur to him that he should have been a jerk and told Pac Man to shove off, he can't be seen with him. And since it was local, he probably didn't even tell his agent he was going to swing by.

That is the main issue. He has not considered how everything he does right now is going to be placed under a microscope. This is where the FO wants to see if you can stop making dumb decisions just until the draft. If you can, then you show enough restraint to satisfy most FO people. If you do not, and this is huge now more than ever, then you will slide down the value chart.

I know some people will see this as completely innocent and a nonfactor. However, life has consequences. Brandon and Darrent did not go looking for trouble in that bar on New Years eve. It came looking for them and you know what, it found them. That is the life of a pro athlete. If you allow yourself to be in a circumstance and do not think ahead as to what could happen, bad things will happen. People will wish ill will on you just because your famous and they are not. They will expect things of you and when you dash their expectations it will cause trouble. It is the price you pay for being in the limelight. You can not just go out to the store without thinking or being prepared for confrontation. It's not just or right or fair. It is just the reality of being someone people want something from.

It requires being prepared, having help, and making smart choices. It is not just being a good guy. There are plenty of good guys who get cuaght up in that stuff every year. You have to understand situations and make smart choices.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-21-2010, 09:14 AM
That is the main issue. He has not considered how everything he does right now is going to be placed under a microscope. This is where the FO wants to see if you can stop making dumb decisions just until the draft. If you can, then you show enough restraint to satisfy most FO people. If you do not, and this is huge now more than ever, then you will slide down the value chart.

I know some people will see this as completely innocent and a nonfactor. However, life has consequences. Brandon and Darrent did not go looking for trouble in that bar on New Years eve. It came looking for them and you know what, it found them. That is the life of a pro athlete. If you allow yourself to be in a circumstance and do not think ahead as to what could happen, bad things will happen. People will wish ill will on you just because your famous and they are not. They will expect things of you and when you dash their expectations it will cause trouble. It is the price you pay for being in the limelight. You can not just go out to the store without thinking or being prepared for confrontation. It's not just or right or fair. It is just the reality of being someone people want something from.

It requires being prepared, having help, and making smart choices. It is not just being a good guy. There are plenty of good guys who get cuaght up in that stuff every year. You have to understand situations and make smart choices.


I can't really argue with your point. In real life I'm an attorney, and I know better than most that sometimes you have to be an absolute jerk to maintain your reputation and not get taken advantage of. Hopefully, Dez is learning those life lessons now. I agree with you that he could think things through much better than he does now.

Zoobie
03-21-2010, 02:08 PM
I really can't believe how down on Dez most people are. I'd put money on him staying out of trouble with the law and the kid is a freak, he is going to make a huge impact for some team. Unless we are able to retain Marshall, I hope that team is us.

Mediator12
03-21-2010, 03:15 PM
I really can't believe how down on Dez most people are. I'd put money on him staying out of trouble with the law and the kid is a freak, he is going to make a huge impact for some team. Unless we are able to retain Marshall, I hope that team is us.

Talent wise, Dez is a phenom. He is, no one questions what his talent can do. I think he is pretty unrefined for the NFL, just like Crabtree was the year before. However, that happens in todays College offenses. Guys get all hyped before they even play a down. I think if he keeps his head about him he has Larry Fitgerald type talent. The problem has always been can he keep his head about him.

For the life of me, I can not see how people miss the fact that is a major risk in the Goodell era of the NFL. Suspensions can ruin a season for a playoff caliber team. People who exhibit poor decision making do NOT get better when they enter a situation like the NFL. It is a high stress, performance oriented environment. It will get worse for him before it gets better.

So, its relevant how this kid handles himself with everything to lose. Basically, he has to be perfect for several months until he gets drafted. He has to sacrifice some things for a few months. That's it. It requires dedication, composure, control, and some professionalism. The kid is about to get paid to play a game he loves. If he can do that, then that would be an indicator of being able to show restraint and control. Those are the questions in his character. Not being able to do so, would indicate an ongoing issue with his maturity and ability to handle himself after getting paid.

I am NOT down on this kid. I Really want him to succeed. I love an NFL with Elite players that make the game that much of a better product. What I fear though is another freakishly talented kid never get over the environment he grew up knowing. Never turning the corner and becoming the player he was destined to be. I have seen way too many kids like that.

chaz
03-21-2010, 10:42 PM
not false he was suspened by the NCAA not Oklahoma state....

you were saying...?

ELEVATION
03-22-2010, 12:11 AM
you were saying...?

that it was the NCAA who suspeneded Bryant not a decision by Oklahoma state...*shrugs*

Cito Pelon
03-22-2010, 08:19 AM
Well, Dez is probably a pretty nice guy. Hopefully, he's smart enough to not be part of the Pacman entourage. As well as the Deion entourage.

Obviously, there is some concern this kid is easily led into trouble, as the saying goes.

I really can believe he's a nice guy, not a troublemaker, that he "just likes to make people happy." That's how a lot of people get into trouble, though. They want to be liked and wanted, and don't discriminate between good company and bad.

I'm not gonna have a meltdown if the Broncs draft him, I wish him the best of luck, but as I said above I think the club will do fine without drafting him at 11.

Mediator12
03-22-2010, 08:43 AM
that it was the NCAA who suspeneded Bryant not a decision by Oklahoma state...*shrugs*

The NCAA suspended him last season for the Deion incident, but OK State suspended him his Freshman year for being late to meetings. Not sure why you have not seen that with all the talk about him?

Here is the reference from PFW:

1. WR-PR Dez Bryant
Oklahoma State junior
Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 225 | Sp: 4.5e | Arm: 34 | Hand: 9 3/4

Notes: Parade All-American whose tenuous academic standing scared off some schools until late in the process. Committed to Oklahoma State in large part because of its early interest and assistant coach Gunter Brewer's association with Randy Moss (Brewer coached Moss at Marshall). Bryant was born to a teenage mother who had three children by age 18 and sold drugs to get by (she spent 18 months in jail when Dez was 8). Endured an unstable upbringing and was placed in special education classes as a high school freshman because of a learning disability. It was around that time when he left his mother and moved in with his father (who is nearly 30 years older than his mother) and stepmother. In October of 2008, Bryant's high school coach told the New York Times, "I've taken him to probably six or seven different places he called home. It wasn't an ideal family situation. He was from trailer to trailer and house to house." Combative and stubborn during his high school years, Bryant was kicked out of the house and moved in with his girlfriend at the time before qualifying academically. Played in 12 games (three starts) as a true freshman in '07, catching 43 balls for 622 yards (14.5-yard average) and six touchdowns with two punt returns for 15 yards (7.5) and zero TDs. Was suspended for the Florida Atlantic contest for being late to team meetings. Started all 13 games at the flanker spot in '08, racking up 87-1,480-19 (17.0) receiving (113.9 yards per game) and 17-305-2 (17.9) on punt returns. Also returned four kickoffs for 100 yards (25.0). Took a shot under the chin on the first series against Missouri but returned after being checked for concussion symptoms. Piled up 13-167-1 against Oregon in the Holiday Bowl before incurring a small ligament tear in his left knee and having worn a brace to play through it. Had the knee surgically repaired in January '09 and did not participate in spring practice. In the fall, saw action in three games - managed 17-323-4 (19.0) receiving, 3-111-1 (37.0) returning punts and 2-43 (21.5) returning kickoffs before the NCAA imposed a season-long suspension for lying about his relationship with Deion Sanders, who was under suspicion of courting Bryant as a potential client for agent Eugene Parker.

ELEVATION
03-22-2010, 10:32 AM
The NCAA suspended him last season for the Deion incident, but OK State suspended him his Freshman year for being late to meetings. Not sure why you have not seen that with all the talk about him?

Here is the reference from PFW:

1. WR-PR Dez Bryant
Oklahoma State junior
Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 225 | Sp: 4.5e | Arm: 34 | Hand: 9 3/4

Notes: Parade All-American whose tenuous academic standing scared off some schools until late in the process. Committed to Oklahoma State in large part because of its early interest and assistant coach Gunter Brewer's association with Randy Moss (Brewer coached Moss at Marshall). Bryant was born to a teenage mother who had three children by age 18 and sold drugs to get by (she spent 18 months in jail when Dez was 8). Endured an unstable upbringing and was placed in special education classes as a high school freshman because of a learning disability. It was around that time when he left his mother and moved in with his father (who is nearly 30 years older than his mother) and stepmother. In October of 2008, Bryant's high school coach told the New York Times, "I've taken him to probably six or seven different places he called home. It wasn't an ideal family situation. He was from trailer to trailer and house to house." Combative and stubborn during his high school years, Bryant was kicked out of the house and moved in with his girlfriend at the time before qualifying academically. Played in 12 games (three starts) as a true freshman in '07, catching 43 balls for 622 yards (14.5-yard average) and six touchdowns with two punt returns for 15 yards (7.5) and zero TDs. Was suspended for the Florida Atlantic contest for being late to team meetings. Started all 13 games at the flanker spot in '08, racking up 87-1,480-19 (17.0) receiving (113.9 yards per game) and 17-305-2 (17.9) on punt returns. Also returned four kickoffs for 100 yards (25.0). Took a shot under the chin on the first series against Missouri but returned after being checked for concussion symptoms. Piled up 13-167-1 against Oregon in the Holiday Bowl before incurring a small ligament tear in his left knee and having worn a brace to play through it. Had the knee surgically repaired in January '09 and did not participate in spring practice. In the fall, saw action in three games - managed 17-323-4 (19.0) receiving, 3-111-1 (37.0) returning punts and 2-43 (21.5) returning kickoffs before the NCAA imposed a season-long suspension for lying about his relationship with Deion Sanders, who was under suspicion of courting Bryant as a potential client for agent Eugene Parker.


got it i knew about the freshman suspension i thought people were saying he was suspended for the Dieon thing by OKstate...thanks for the clarification...

s0phr0syne
03-26-2010, 06:02 PM
I'm starting to have 2nd thoughts about Dez. From what I had seen, he's not that great at WR and I was more impressed by what I'd seen from Thomas or Benn.

But now I'm starting to come back the other way...
He's almost universally praised as a freak-Calvin-Johnson-type receiver. If he's there at 11 and some of Denver's other targets are not around or it's "too early" (still trying to fig out what that really means), then maybe he's the right pick...

Cito Pelon
03-28-2010, 12:11 AM
I see on Yahoo Sports that Dez has a blog going.