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Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:23 PM
Round 1
1. St. Louis (1-15) - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Detroit (2-14) - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Washington (4-12) - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Kansas City (4-12) - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee6. Seattle (5-11)
6. Seattle (5-11) - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
7. Cleveland (5-11) - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
8. Oakland (5-11) - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
9. Buffalo (6-10) - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
10. Jacksonville (7-9) - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State

Denver - from Chicago (7-9)
Miami (7-9)
San Francisco (8-8)
Seattle - from Denver (8-8)
New York Giants (8-8)
Tennessee (8-8)
San Francisco - from Carolina (8-8)
Pittsburgh (9-7)
Atlanta (9-7)
Houston (9-7)
Cincinnati* (10-6)
New England* (10-6)
Green Bay* (11-5)
Philadelphia* (11-5)
Baltimore* (9-7)
Arizona* (10-6)
Dallas* (11-5)
San Diego* (13-3)
New York Jets* (9-7)
Minnesota* (12-4)
Indianapolis* (14-2)
New Orleans* (13-3)

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:24 PM
St. Louis is on the Clock!

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:24 PM
Sorry this is late. I had to put out some "fires" at work this morning.

Paladin
03-01-2010, 12:27 PM
Suh

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Schefter and Clayton both have Bradford oging to the Rams - Schefter even guaranteeing it... I'm pretty sure we're not in position to second guess Schefter.

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:29 PM
1. St. Louis (1-15) - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Detroit is on the clock!

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Wait, what is happening?

Paladin
03-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Fait Accompli

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 12:38 PM
Suh.

cousinal11
03-01-2010, 12:38 PM
Suh

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:41 PM
Definitely Suh.

no-pseudo-fan
03-01-2010, 12:41 PM
sue?

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 12:41 PM
The first pick confused me, I get it now.

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:41 PM
2. Detroit (2-14) - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:41 PM
Tampa Bay is on the clock

bpc
03-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Suh is more of a "Haynesworth" type player than McCOy, and that's probably what Jim Swartz will be looking for. Good pickup for them, even though I like McCoy better.

no-pseudo-fan
03-01-2010, 12:44 PM
Dez Bryant

bpc
03-01-2010, 12:45 PM
Bucs definitely draft McCoy. No doubt. They got their QB of the future last year, and have another good young QB in Johnson backing him up. Great pickup for them with McCoy.

Washington is going to draft Okung. I'm also fairly certain about that. I'd put it at 75%. Shanahan saw what a premium LT does for his offense in Denver when he got Clady. It's arguably just as important as an all-pro QB.

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 12:47 PM
Gerald McCoy

Mr.Meanie
03-01-2010, 12:48 PM
McCoy

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:53 PM
I agree. McCoy. I can see the Dez Bryant angle, but hate the value there.

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:54 PM
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:54 PM
Broncos East is on the clock

Rohirrim
03-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Clausen. Hilarious!

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Russell Okung

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:57 PM
Okung

no-pseudo-fan
03-01-2010, 12:58 PM
Okung

Taco John
03-01-2010, 12:59 PM
1 for Claussen
3 for Okung

Need more input.

cousinal11
03-01-2010, 01:03 PM
okung

oubronco
03-01-2010, 01:06 PM
McClain

bpc
03-01-2010, 01:09 PM
1. St. Louis - Sam Bradford - QB
2. Detroit Lions - N. Suh - DT
3. TB Bucs - G. McCoy - DT
4. Washington Redskins - R. Okung - OT
5. KC Chiefs - Eric Berry - S
6. Seattle Seahawks - Jimmy Clausen - QB
7. Cleveland Browns -Jason Paul-Pierre - OLB
8. Oakland Raiders - Bryan Bulaga - OT
9. Buffalo Bills - Anthony Davis - OT
10.Jacksonville Jaguars - Joe Hayden - CB

That's my top 10. Sorry, have to run which is why I posted my thoughts early.

oubronco
03-01-2010, 01:12 PM
1. St. Louis - Sam Bradford - QB
2. Detroit Lions - N. Suh - DT
3. TB Bucs - G. McCoy - DT
4. Washington Redskins - R. Okung - OT
5. KC Chiefs - Eric Berry - S
6. Seattle Seahawks - Jimmy Clausen - QB
7. Cleveland Browns -Jason Paul-Pierre - OLB
8. Oakland Raiders - Bryan Bulaga - OT
9. Buffalo Bills - Anthony Davis - OT
10.Jacksonville Jaguars - Joe Hayden - CB

That's my top 10. Sorry, have to run which is why I posted my thoughts early.

If the top 10 goes that way we will have a great chance to get a stud at 11

Taco John
03-01-2010, 01:19 PM
4. Washington (4-12) - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State


Kansas City is on the clock

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 01:20 PM
Eric Berry.

bpc
03-01-2010, 01:22 PM
If the top 10 goes that way we will have a great chance to get a stud at 11

I'm coming around to Dan Williams at #11. I like Hayden from UF and I think if Pierre-Paul grows into his frame and gets some football sense, he's going to be disasterous coming off the end. Credit goes to Med on that find as he alerted me to the guy about 8 months ago. After watching his film, he has the ability to truly be great.

no-pseudo-fan
03-01-2010, 01:22 PM
Taylor Mays lol

oubronco
03-01-2010, 01:23 PM
I'm coming around to Dan Williams at #11. I like Hayden from UF and I think if Pierre-Paul grows into his frame and gets some football sense, he's going to be disasterous coming off the end. Credit goes to Med on that find as he alerted me to the guy about 8 months ago. After watching his film, he has the ability to truly be great.

It would be great to have another bookend especially who can stuff the run and sack the QB

Taco John
03-01-2010, 01:23 PM
Let's see what these guys say:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=224107

Rohirrim
03-01-2010, 01:24 PM
McClain. No doubt.

oubronco
03-01-2010, 01:24 PM
McClain. No doubt.

I agree McClain

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 01:25 PM
They like you over there TJ....

ColoradoBuff
03-01-2010, 01:26 PM
Dez Bryant

Taco John
03-01-2010, 01:27 PM
They like you over there TJ....

I have a lot of friends over there. But there are plenty of haters too.



They seem to think that Eric Berry is the choice:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=9024



I'll give them the benefit of a doubt and go with Berry.

Rohirrim
03-01-2010, 01:28 PM
Let's see what these guys say:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=224107

Give the Chiefs Clausen! I love it! The face everybody wants to punch in a Chiefs helmet. It's like a match made in heaven! :rofl:

bpc
03-01-2010, 01:59 PM
I think if you're KC, you've already put your QB of the future inplace, invested in OL, J. Charles looks like a keeper, you have to put some key players in on that defense. Eric Berry seems special, cut from the Polumalu/Sanders/Rodney Harrison mold. Great pickup for them.

Taco John
03-01-2010, 02:19 PM
3 Berry
2 McClaine
1 Bryant


Need more input

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 02:22 PM
McClain doesn't have an e at the end. That's my input.

Maybe you are thinking of John mcClane?

yippee ki yay

Taco John
03-01-2010, 02:22 PM
I keep making that mistake...

Rohirrim
03-01-2010, 02:25 PM
Pioli loves his LBs. :wiggle:

SoDak Bronco
03-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Berry

Garcia Bronco
03-01-2010, 02:40 PM
KC - Klaussen

Taco John
03-01-2010, 03:19 PM
5. Kansas City (4-12) - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee



Seattle is on the Clock

bpc
03-01-2010, 03:56 PM
Clausen, no doubt in my mind. :) Pistol Pete was a finalist for his signature when he went to Notre Dame, and is a socal kid. Hasselback is getting old.

Taco John
03-01-2010, 03:58 PM
I didn't know that about Pete and Claussen. Even without that connection, I know that the Seattle fans around here are hungry to bring in a young QB. I think they'd feel fortunate to get Claussen here.

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 04:00 PM
Jimmy Clausen although I think Anthony Davis would be a better choice.

Garcia Bronco
03-01-2010, 04:11 PM
I didn't know that about Pete and Claussen. Even without that connection, I know that the Seattle fans around here are hungry to bring in a young QB. I think they'd feel fortunate to get Claussen here.

I think you are bias. :P No way a saftey goes in the top 5.

ColoradoBuff
03-01-2010, 04:22 PM
Clausen

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 04:25 PM
Did this thread die because it was moved?

meangene
03-01-2010, 04:43 PM
Clausen

oubronco
03-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Clausen
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Taco John
03-01-2010, 05:20 PM
6. Seattle (5-11) - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

Cleveland is on the Clock

chickennob2
03-01-2010, 05:33 PM
Cleveland Browns - Joe Haden

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 05:33 PM
Joe Haden. This one is easy, next!

Taco John
03-01-2010, 05:35 PM
I gotta run. I don't know how many people are going to be around tonight - most of the movement happens during business hours. But a player needs to reach at least 5 votes to be selected.

SpringStein
03-01-2010, 05:43 PM
Haden

Cool Breeze
03-01-2010, 06:19 PM
Joe Haden

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 06:27 PM
One more Joe Haden vote. Come on people.

eddie mac
03-01-2010, 06:34 PM
Haden

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 07:05 PM
7. Cleveland (5-11) -Joe Haden, CB, Florida

Oakland is on the clock

chickennob2
03-01-2010, 07:30 PM
Oakland - Bruce Campbell, workout warrior

bpc
03-01-2010, 07:43 PM
I would have picked Pierre Paul for Cleveland as they need some guys to rush the passer but hopefully he falls to Denver.

I like Bulaga here. I can't believe Oakland blows another pick this year on a Maryland product. Bulaga fits the mentality Davis wants to have. Tough, mean, aggressive. Even though Robert Gallery is considered a bust, he's been welcomed back to Oakland season after season because he has those core attributes Davis is looking for on his OL. Bulaga is more of the same as Gallery even though I think he'll be more successful playing tackle in the NFL.

Dagmar
03-01-2010, 08:18 PM
Oakland - http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9357/bruce%20campbell.jpg

Rohirrim
03-01-2010, 08:29 PM
Oakland? Al Davis? ... Dez.

meangene
03-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Campbell has Raider written all over him!

oubronco
03-02-2010, 07:22 AM
who's the fastest guy in the draft?

Taco John
03-02-2010, 11:01 AM
who's the fastest guy in the draft?

WR Jacoby Ford ran a 4.28 forty.

Taco John
03-02-2010, 11:05 AM
Here's the current board:

1. St. Louis (1-15) - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Detroit (2-14) - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Washington (4-12) - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Kansas City (4-12) - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee6. Seattle (5-11)
6. Seattle (5-11) - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
7. Cleveland (5-11) - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
8. Oakland (5-11) -

Taco John
03-02-2010, 11:06 AM
Anthony Davis (OT)

Dagmar
03-02-2010, 11:21 AM
Pretty sure this would get more hits if it was on the Mane page, don't be mad, it's just what I think.

(I know I've said it before but you're here now)

Rohirrim
03-02-2010, 11:23 AM
who's the fastest guy in the draft?

Taylor Mays - 4.22

gunns
03-02-2010, 11:25 AM
Brian Bulaga

Maybe that's too smart of a pick for the Raiders. Who's the top kicker?

ColoradoBuff
03-02-2010, 02:18 PM
OT Bruce Campbell

no-pseudo-fan
03-02-2010, 02:28 PM
Taylor Mays

Rohirrim
03-02-2010, 02:34 PM
I'll switch my vote if it will move this along. Since Anthony Davis will be a bust, I vote for him to the Faders.

Taco John
03-02-2010, 04:34 PM
Campbell - 4
Balaga - 2
Davis - 2

I'm switching my vote for Campbell to make it 5

Taco John
03-02-2010, 04:36 PM
Oakland (5-11) - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland

Taco John
03-02-2010, 04:36 PM
Beefalo is on the clock.

Taco John
03-02-2010, 04:36 PM
Here's the current board:

1. St. Louis (1-15) - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Detroit (2-14) - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Washington (4-12) - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Kansas City (4-12) - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee6. Seattle (5-11)
6. Seattle (5-11) - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
7. Cleveland (5-11) - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
8. Oakland (5-11) - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland

meangene
03-02-2010, 05:03 PM
Trent Williams OT Oklahoma for Buffalo.

SouthStndJunkie
03-02-2010, 05:03 PM
There is no way Bruce Campbell goes in the Top 10.

Cool Breeze
03-02-2010, 05:07 PM
Trent Williams

oubronco
03-02-2010, 05:08 PM
Dez Bryant

They need a playmaker with no TO

ludo21
03-02-2010, 06:42 PM
Raiders pick should be Trent Williams. Campbell there is a joke even for the Fade. Jacks up the rest of the round.

Rohirrim
03-02-2010, 07:13 PM
Bulaga to the Bills.

Taco John
03-02-2010, 07:35 PM
Two votes to void the Raiders pick and re-pick. Three more?

gunns
03-02-2010, 07:45 PM
The Raiders 1st round pick is generally a joke and insignificant. I think Campbell is perfect for them.

As far as the Bills they always pick for need instead of bpa, which is why they've struggled for so long. And the crazy thing is they have so many needs you'd think they could find a bpa. They should take Bulaga but I think they'll take Dez Bryant.

oubronco
03-02-2010, 08:01 PM
The Raiders 1st round pick is generally a joke and insignificant. I think Campbell is perfect for them.

As far as the Bills they always pick for need instead of bpa, which is why they've struggled for so long. And the crazy thing is they have so many needs you'd think they could find a bpa. They should take Bulaga but I think they'll take Dez Bryant.

I do as well

chickennob2
03-02-2010, 08:07 PM
Yeah, I put Campbell as a joke. I'd vote for a void and re-pick of the Raiders choice.


Also, today's results make us reconsider the Haden pick, no? 4.57 40 doesn't exactly scream "Top Ten"

meangene
03-02-2010, 08:20 PM
After what they did with last year's first pick I absolutely could see the Raiders taking Campbell. I vote we shuffle on with the Bills pick!

Taco John
03-02-2010, 10:44 PM
Moving forward then...


Bills


I count

Trent Williams - 2
Bulaga - 2
Dez - 3

Taco John
03-02-2010, 10:45 PM
A third vote for Bulaga.

chickennob2
03-03-2010, 02:50 AM
Trent Williams for Buffalo

SouthStndJunkie
03-03-2010, 07:00 AM
Buffalo Billis: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa

ColoradoBuff
03-03-2010, 08:39 AM
Bulaga for the Bills

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 09:37 AM
Buffalo Selects Bryan Bulaga OT from IOWA.

I vote Bulaga as well. Guess who is up next? No, its JAX ;D

Dagmar
03-03-2010, 10:15 AM
Derrick Morgan, DE

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 10:28 AM
For the Jags I say if it's a football decision it will be Pierre Paul. If it's a business decision it will be Tebow.

Pick Six
03-03-2010, 10:32 AM
Tebow

meangene
03-03-2010, 10:55 AM
Pierre-Paul

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 11:14 AM
The Jaguars have invested a ton of money and resources into their DL with very little left to show for it in the Del Rio era. JPP is not NFL ready, just like Harvey and Moss were not NFL ready coming out. There is NO DE in this draft worth this pick. So, I would not be surprised to see them gamble on Dez Bryant right here if they do not make a trade.

Other needs are safety and Center, but no one here with value.

I say they go BPA for once and get Bryant since their are no legit NFL ready DE's in this whole draft IMHO.

Cool Breeze
03-03-2010, 11:17 AM
Dez Bryant

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 11:18 AM
The Jaguars have invested a ton of money and resources into their DL with very little left to show for it in the Del Rio era. JPP is not NFL ready, just like Harvey and Moss were not NFL ready coming out. There is NO DE in this draft worth this pick. So, I would not be surprised to see them gamble on Dez Bryant right here if they do not make a trade.

Other needs are safety and Center, but no one here with value.

I say they go BPA for once and get Bryant since their are no legit NFL ready DE's in this whole draft IMHO.

Paul is definitely raw, but with his size and speed if they put him in and simply say, "Kill the guy with the ball," he'll be fine. ;D

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 11:23 AM
Paul is definitely raw, but with his size and speed if they put him in and simply say, "Kill the guy with the ball," he'll be fine. ;D

That's what they said about Moss and Harvey coming out ;D

I spent some time talking to his former College Coach in INDY, who has 5 guys on that USF defense going in the top 150 IMHO. He said he is a good kid, but not NFL ready by any means. He was a JUCO kid for 2 years and only has 7 Starts for USF. He still looks raw even in the drills he did. Just not technique and assignment solid to play right away, unless he goes to a team with great starters on the DL already iMHO.

Requiem
03-03-2010, 11:26 AM
Med, if you want my personal opinion, Nate Allen is the best player from USF coming out this year. I think he's going to be a great player for a long time.

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 11:28 AM
That's what they said about Moss and Harvey coming out ;D

I spent some time talking to his former College Coach in INDY, who has 5 guys on that USF defense going in the top 150 IMHO. He said he is a good kid, but not NFL ready by any means. He was a JUCO kid for 2 years and only has 7 Starts for USF. He still looks raw even in the drills he did. Just not technique and assignment solid to play right away, unless he goes to a team with great starters on the DL already iMHO.

Moss? Who dat? Ha!

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 11:29 AM
Med, if you want my personal opinion, Nate Allen is the best player from USF coming out this year. I think he's going to be a great player for a long time.

He is the best player NOT being talked about at all in this draft IMHO. I just wonder why he does not get the love he should. Of Course, I still think Josh Gattis should be starting in Jax and Reggie Nelson sucks!

Requiem
03-03-2010, 11:48 AM
He is the best player NOT being talked about at all in this draft IMHO. I just wonder why he does not get the love he should. Of Course, I still think Josh Gattis should be starting in Jax and Reggie Nelson sucks!

My true thoughts are that people are obsessed and infatuated with Taylor May's athletic abilities and also get caught up in the discussions on Eric Berry, who I feel is an elite player, and the only safety higher than Nate Allen on my list. (Thomas is close, but I think Allen's experience is going to make his ability to start and transition a lot easier.)

USF isn't necessarily a "small" program, but it gets dwarfed by the big picture players in Florida and the bigger conference players in the region. It's either ACC or SEC country down there, and the Big East kind of just is a conference in limbo if you ask me. Maybe that is a reason?

The thing I like most about Allen is his leadership and tackling abilities. In the games I was able to see, he looked exceptional and very comfortable playing his zone and had a knack for seeing the plays develop in front of him. I think he compares a little bit favorably to McBath, who we drafted last year. I think their big knocks were maxed out frames and average speed, but they make up for all of it with everything else.

If he does not go in the top fifty selections in this years draft, it would be absolutely criminal.

Taco John
03-03-2010, 12:01 PM
Dez Bryant

SpringStein
03-03-2010, 03:04 PM
WR or DE here. Dez is better value.

Dez Bryant

Taco John
03-03-2010, 05:13 PM
10. Jacksonville (7-9) - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State

Taco John
03-03-2010, 05:13 PM
Your Denver Broncos are on the clock.

Taco John
03-03-2010, 05:14 PM
Here's the current board:

1. St. Louis (1-15) - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Detroit (2-14) - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Washington (4-12) - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Kansas City (4-12) - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee6. Seattle (5-11)
6. Seattle (5-11) - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
7. Cleveland (5-11) - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
8. Oakland (5-11) - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
9. Buffalo (6-10) - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
10. Jacksonville (7-9) - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
11. Denver - from Chicago (7-9) -

ZONA
03-03-2010, 05:44 PM
wow, this is taking alot longer then I thought it would be. It's 7PM and we're only at pick #10.

We already know Denver is taking McClain so can we just move on to #12, hahahahahahah

SpringStein
03-03-2010, 05:46 PM
Rolando McClain, ILB, Bama

I know he is not liked by some here, but imo he has the playmaking ability and leadership that you look for picking close to the top 10.

oubronco
03-03-2010, 05:53 PM
Williams, Pierre Paul, McClain, Iupati take your pick

ZONA
03-03-2010, 05:54 PM
FYI - the Bengals are open to trading down in the 1st round but not past the 28th pick. The Bengals select #21 and would look to acquire a mid round 2nd or late 2nd pick. Let me know.

Taco John
03-03-2010, 05:55 PM
I'm torn between McClain and Williams. But based on BPA, I would pick McClain.

Taco John
03-03-2010, 05:55 PM
Also, keep in mind that Josh has Bama roots.

HAT
03-03-2010, 06:02 PM
Iupati.

ludo21
03-03-2010, 06:02 PM
Sean Weatherspoon

Taco John
03-03-2010, 06:37 PM
Iupati.


I love Iupati, and would absolutely do backflips if we got him (Go IDAHO!), but 11 is pretty high for him given the conference he played in. That said, I personally believe he's going to be a dynamite pro.

gunns
03-03-2010, 06:46 PM
Dan Williams

meangene
03-03-2010, 07:43 PM
McClain!

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 07:54 PM
Dan Williams. What is McClain going to do behind our current front three other than get lost in the wash?

SouthStndJunkie
03-03-2010, 07:56 PM
Not overly enthralled with the pick....Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.

Brandon Graham gets some consideration here, as does Earl Thomas.

11th overall is pretty high for Dan Williams in my opinion....last thing we need to do is reach for need.

Taco John
03-03-2010, 08:55 PM
Dan Williams. What is McClain going to do behind our current front three other than get lost in the wash?


Forget need for a second. Who do you think is the BPA here?

LonghornBronco
03-03-2010, 09:10 PM
IMO BPA is
McClain
Morgan
Davis

HAT
03-03-2010, 09:17 PM
I love Iupati, and would absolutely do backflips if we got him (Go IDAHO!), but 11 is pretty high for him given the conference he played in. That said, I personally believe he's going to be a dynamite pro.

Of course it's a reach at 11.....I hope someone comes a callin' looking to trade up. If it happens, great. If not, draft him anyway and don't look back.

HAT
03-03-2010, 09:19 PM
Oh...And it would be totally worth it to see Mock's meltdown if they draft offense in the first.

Dead

Dead, I tell you!

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 09:28 PM
Forget need for a second. Who do you think is the BPA here?

Dan Williams. I don't know why people don't see that. He can play in a one gap, or a two gap. He could play DE in a 3/4 or NT. He can completely lock up the point of attack and push back double teams plus he can penetrate, destroy lanes and even rush the QB. It just depends how much you value the position. Plus, need cannot be ignored. The Broncos' 3/4, even if it is a hybrid, will never get to the next level without a dominating NT. If there is one as good as Williams, sitting there, and the Broncos pass, especially for an ILB, I would find that ridiculous. NTs are rare. In fact, they're harder to find than LTs.

Play2win
03-03-2010, 09:32 PM
Dan Williams. I don't know why people don't see that. He can play in a one gap, or a two gap. He could play DE in a 3/4 or NT. He can completely lock up the point of attack and push back double teams plus he can penetrate, destroy lanes and even rush the QB. It just depends how much you value the position. Plus, need cannot be ignored. The Broncos' 3/4, even if it is a hybrid, will never get to the next level without a dominating NT. If there is one as good as Williams, sitting there, and the Broncos pass, especially for an ILB, I would find that ridiculous. NTs are rare. In fact, they're harder to find than LTs.

Can Dan Williams be that?

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Can Dan Williams be that?

Somewhere on here there's a thread where somebody posted a bunch of film of Williams. Go watch it and decide for yourself. I'll tell you one thing, he played in the SEC. He played in the Senior Bowl. You watch him against the toughest competition and you see the line go forward or sideways. Never back. That's what a dominating NT does. Frees up the LBs to make the plays.

Mogulseeker
03-03-2010, 09:42 PM
Iupati

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Ask yourself which is the rarer position - ILB or NT?

Taco John
03-03-2010, 09:59 PM
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Dagmar
03-03-2010, 10:00 PM
Dan Williams

Taco John
03-03-2010, 10:04 PM
I would not complain about either Williams, McClain, or Iupati here. I personally think that McClain is the BPA here. But the rationalization about NT vs ILB is compelling for me.

Taco John
03-03-2010, 10:05 PM
I think we should hold off on the actual pick until the morning after more people have seen where we're at and weighed in with their opinions.

NFLBRONCO
03-03-2010, 10:08 PM
Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama

orange crusher
03-03-2010, 10:16 PM
Dan Williams

bronco militia
03-03-2010, 10:16 PM
The fever

strafen
03-03-2010, 10:19 PM
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HQ8_Y_Rgh6w&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0xe1600f&color2=0xfebd01"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HQ8_Y_Rgh6w&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0xe1600f&color2=0xfebd01" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>Nice video highlights of Dan Williams.
that's what we need up the middle. The guy seems to be active and around the ball all the time.
We need somebody like that who can create chaos and collapse the pocket...
That's the true definition of a ni=ose tackle...

atomicbloke
03-04-2010, 12:22 AM
My vote is for Iupati.

We are a work in progress, and OL / DL is where you build a team.

So its Iupati versus Williams.

Se we need to see it in the context of our performance last season. OL was a big big weakness. It hindered Moreno's development. Also, with our power running game, and our spread offense, OL is actually our most important weapon. Imagine Iupati next to Ryan Clady on the left side. Then you have Harris and Kuper on the right. All young guys and among the best at their positions (Iupati on potential, rest are proven). This line can anchor our offense for the next decade.

It'll make Moreno and whoever else is our second back much much better. It'll make Orton look better. If we draft a young QB in future in the 1st round, the best gift you can give him is an already established stellar O-line.

True, 11 is a tad high for an OG. But considering how much he can imporve the team and how a great OL can make other skill players on O look better, I think you bite on Iupati.

robbieopperude
03-04-2010, 12:45 AM
11. Is to high for an OG. My vote is for McClain who is at a need position and BPA.

ZONA
03-04-2010, 01:53 AM
so are the Broncos still on the clock or what? It's been like 8 hours.

atomicbloke
03-04-2010, 02:58 AM
so are the Broncos still on the clock or what? It's been like 8 hours.

Broncos are on the clock and Taco is in the sack.

So I guess we'll have to wait till business hours.

meangene
03-04-2010, 04:22 AM
I like Williams and McClain. I personally think McClain is the better player. But, I also think there is very limited depth in this draft at ILB whereas this draft is loaded with DL who would fit our scheme. I also think we have a bigger need at DE than at NT. Fields graded out pretty well and I am anxious to see what Baker can do with some experience. If we get the first for Marshall, we could grab a guy like Price or Odrick later in the first. There are a number of NT's available in the 3-5 round area. I think we go with the BPA - McClain, and address our DL later in the draft.

eddie mac
03-04-2010, 04:41 AM
McClain

gunns
03-04-2010, 05:38 AM
Dan Williams. I don't know why people don't see that. He can play in a one gap, or a two gap. He could play DE in a 3/4 or NT. He can completely lock up the point of attack and push back double teams plus he can penetrate, destroy lanes and even rush the QB. It just depends how much you value the position. Plus, need cannot be ignored. The Broncos' 3/4, even if it is a hybrid, will never get to the next level without a dominating NT. If there is one as good as Williams, sitting there, and the Broncos pass, especially for an ILB, I would find that ridiculous. NTs are rare. In fact, they're harder to find than LTs.

This. The only reason Williams is ranked the 3rd best DT in this draft is he's behind Suh and McCoy and doesn't appear we'll have a shot at them. Pick up Morrison for a 3rd and you have an immediate, good starter and no need for McClain.

The Joker
03-04-2010, 06:35 AM
Dan Williams.

I ****ing hate our weak ass D-Line that we've had the last number of years. Time to try and get a force in the middle.

I do like Iupati, but no way our O-Line as a whole needs addressing to the same extent the D-Line does. The interior fell apart last year because every single one of the players barring Kuper was a completely horrible fit for the power scheme we wanted to run.

This will be a lot easier to fix with some shrewd, relatively cheap FA signings and mid round picks than the D-Line will be. We need a proper force in the middle, I think Dan Williams can be that force.

Mediator12
03-04-2010, 06:58 AM
Dan Williams. Period.

McClain is overrated in a weak ILB class, Iupati is nowhere near the player his internet reputation seems to have, and They need a real DL to build around.

I went back and watched a lot of film on McClain and he has a very bad habit of hesitating as an ILB. There is no worse for an ILB in the NFL. He got away with it at Alabama with all the talent around him, but he will NOT get away with it at the next level.

Iupati has some great skills, but he has not faced great athletes and when he did at the senior bowl he held. His technique needs a lot of work and he needs to be much better mentally. He also gets overrated as this is one of the worst OG classes to come out in years. He stands out against his peers, but not against NFL OG's.

Williams is just plain impressive. The only Knock on him is his Height. However, he does a fantastic job of owning the LOS and even better the POA when it comes at him. Add to that the ability to push the pocket with leverage on passing plays and I am sold. DEN does not have a player like him on its roster, and he would be a 3 down type of player if he improves his stamina like he did as a senior.

orinjkrush
03-04-2010, 07:04 AM
Dan williams. as has been said, he may free up the LBs to run. We have an ILB coming back from injury already, Griesen. And premiere NTs are hard to find.

time to put up or shut up about the DL.

The Joker
03-04-2010, 07:31 AM
Dan Williams. Period.

McClain is overrated in a weak ILB class, Iupati is nowhere near the player his internet reputation seems to have, and They need a real DL to build around.

I went back and watched a lot of film on McClain and he has a very bad habit of hesitating as an ILB. There is no worse for an ILB in the NFL. He got away with it at Alabama with all the talent around him, but he will NOT get away with it at the next level.

Iupati has some great skills, but he has not faced great athletes and when he did at the senior bowl he held. His technique needs a lot of work and he needs to be much better mentally. He also gets overrated as this is one of the worst OG classes to come out in years. He stands out against his peers, but not against NFL OG's.

Williams is just plain impressive. The only Knock on him is his Height. However, he does a fantastic job of owning the LOS and even better the POA when it comes at him. Add to that the ability to push the pocket with leverage on passing plays and I am sold. DEN does not have a player like him on its roster, and he would be a 3 down type of player if he improves his stamina like he did as a senior.

What's the issue with his height?

He's 6ft 2' as far as I'm aware, isn't that pretty much what you want in a NT? I'd have thought being that height while still being 320+ would be an advantage rather than a problem?

cousinal11
03-04-2010, 07:55 AM
Dan Williams.

meangene
03-04-2010, 08:20 AM
Great article on McClain:

Originally Published: November 4, 2009
McClain's football smarts off the charts


Maisel By Ivan Maisel
ESPN.com
Archive

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- If the Big Defensive Coordinator in the Sky wanted to sculpt the modern middle linebacker, No. 3 Alabama junior Rolando McClain just may be his prototype: He is 6-foot-4, 258 pounds, and the way his cable-like limbs are connected by a strong torso, he could be mistaken for a small forward. Senior cornerback Javier Arenas described what it's like as a tackler when McClain arrives to finish off the guy with the ball.

When Rolando McClain sizes up a running back, that ball carrier is going to feel the impact. "You black out for a second," Arenas said, "and try to figure out what truck hit you. You see him walking away. OK, it's him."

Crimson Tide H-back Preston Dial makes room for Heisman candidate Mark Ingram. Dial knows how to open holes. It is his station in life to block McClain three days a week. He's considering an easier line of work, like being Brock Lesnar's sparring partner.

"Not only are his legs real strong," Dial said of McClain, "but he's so physical with his hands in shedding blockers. He never stays blocked. You have to stop the linebacker's charge and switch his momentum. He's so violent when he comes and meets you in the hole, all you hope for is a stalemate. Instead of the running back picking his hole, Ro makes the decision for the running back which way he is going to go."

Yet McClain's physical skills are not the main reason he leads one of the nation's best defenses with 57 tackles. His ability to deliver a blow isn't why he's a semifinalist for the Lombardi Award.

There are moments on the practice field when McClain takes a play off. That's not to say that McClain would ever line up and not give everything he can possibly give, whether it's Saturday in Bryant-Denny Stadium against No. 9 LSU, Tuesday on the practice field or a July Wednesday in a 7-on-7 drill. McClain would take his uniform off before he would take a play off.

But there are times in practice when the coaches take McClain out of a drill to give a younger guy some work. McClain takes the play off. On those occasions, more often than not, McClain will not trot over to the sideline, grab a water bottle and chat up his teammates. McClain will walk to the middle of the field to stand alongside head coach Nick Saban.

Saban will watch the drill with his arms crossed. McClain will watch the drill with his arms crossed.

When McClain, consciously or not, adopts Saban's posture, it is physical confirmation of what everyone within Alabama football already understands. Ro McClain is Nick Saban writ large -- and fast and explosive. "Coach on the field" may be a cliché. With McClain, it fits. He may have a football-hot body but McClain is loved by his coaches and his teammates for his mind.

"It's unbelievable how much he understands the game," fellow linebacker Cory Reamer said. "The second part is how well he knows the defense. He really knows what Coach would like to go to in the situations we get it and he really does a good job communicating it."

On offense, when quarterback Greg McElroy calls an audible, the center changes the blocking scheme for the offensive line, and the backs and wide receivers signal one another their changes. On defense, when McClain calls an audible, he makes the changes for the defensive linemen, the secondary and the linebackers. Clemson defensive coordinator Kevin Steele, who held that position at Alabama the previous two seasons, has coached linebackers on the major college level and in the NFL for more than two decades.

"He's got that gift of being able to analytically process information and react to it as fast as any guy I've ever been around," Steele said. "There are a lot of ways to teach players -- in the classroom, on the board, with video, practice reps. Some guys have to do it full speed. You can pass Rolando in the hall and say, 'In this formation, in this defense we need to do this,' and it's done.

"I've never coached but two like that," Steele said. "One of them was Sam Mills, who played 12 years in the NFL and was All-Pro several times. And Rolando."

Sitting at his desk on a recent hectic, game-planning Monday, Saban paused to explain what makes McClain's grasp of defense different from most players. If his defensive playbook were a math text, it would be calculus. McClain knows it like a Tuscaloosa first-grader knows that two plus two equals 3rd-and-6.

"Some guys understand their position," Saban said. "But I would venture to guess Ro knows what every player is supposed to do on every play on defense, and he knows like I know who didn't do right, and when he didn't do right, sometimes immediately."

Asked to define McClain's football intelligence for an audience that hasn't played, Saban used baseball.

"You can teach a hitter where the strike zone is," Saban said. "You can even teach him how to swing a bat. But you really can't teach him [how to judge] a ball or a strike from the time it leaves the pitcher's hand until it gets to home plate. The guy's got to figure that out on his own and make an" -- Saban snapped his fingers -- "almost athletic intuition decision, that this is a good pitch to hit.

"Even though we're not playing baseball, from a football-playing standpoint, Ro would be … " Saban thought for a second. "Albert Pujols?"

It would be a great story to say that McClain sought out Saban, that he came to Tuscaloosa from his hometown of Decatur, Ala., to scratch an intellectual itch. It would be a great story. It would be fiction.

"When I came here, he told me if I wanted to play my freshman year, I had to learn the defense," McClain said. He began to laugh. "I wanted to play."

That they came together at all is a happy accident. McClain committed to Alabama to play for Saban's predecessor, Mike Shula. All McClain knew about Saban was that he had won a national championship at LSU. Saban knew McClain had been one of the nation's top high school linebackers at Decatur High. But he didn't get to know him until the freshmen reported to campus in the summer of 2007.

Saban met a young man ready to compete. As McClain helped lead Decatur High to the state Final Four in basketball, he also continued working out for football.

"He understood when he committed to Alabama that, 'Hey, I have a chance to play early,'" Decatur High head football coach Jere Adcock said. "He and Caleb Thomas, who's a guard at UAB now, would come up here after basketball practice and lift weights."

Adcock said he has had players who pushed themselves as hard as McClain. "They're undersized," he said. "To see a kid of that size and that ability push himself to that level is why he has elevated himself."

McClain beat out a returning starter, sophomore Prince Hall, and started the opener as a true freshman. The season had its bumps. McClain started eight games. Saban, who drives his players and coaches as hard as he drives himself, learned not to yell at McClain.

"It didn't do any good," Saban said. He recognizes the obsession.

"I'm so competitive," McClain said. "I want to be the best at everything I do. Growing up, I wanted to be the smartest, wanted to be the best swimmer, whatever it was we were doing. Against everybody, anything I did. Whether it was in the classroom or whatever, I always wanted to be the best. I'm hard on myself. I know I'm not perfect and I know I'm never going to be perfect. At the same time, I can always work and be better because I want to get there. Coach says I'm too much of a perfectionist."

If Nick Saban thinks you're too much of a perfectionist, you might think about taking it down a notch. When McClain comes off the field distraught after missing a tackle, Saban is the one who tells him to let it go.

Saban wouldn't have McClain any other way.

"That's a tremendous asset, as long as you can keep channeling it in the right direction," Saban said.

In McClain's case, that direction is usually toward the line of scrimmage with ill will on his mind.

Mediator12
03-04-2010, 08:25 AM
What's the issue with his height?

He's 6ft 2' as far as I'm aware, isn't that pretty much what you want in a NT? I'd have thought being that height while still being 320+ would be an advantage rather than a problem?

The ideal is 6'4, so he is 2 inches shorter than that. The reason is the amount of quick throws the NFL has gone to in recent years. DT's have to get their arms in the passing lanes and height is a big deal as well as arm length. His Arm length was good however at 33.5 inches, so ideal height is just nit picky at this point.

The thing is we all know this is a game of inches, so 2 inches is the difference in tipping a ball versus a completion sometimes. All in all, if that is his sole nitpicking, then he is fine. Not everyone is that ideal who becomes a great player. However, it really does help DT's to have that arm length and height.

Rohirrim
03-04-2010, 08:25 AM
Mediator is right. Go back and watch McClain in the Senior Bowl. He is not reacting and leading the play, he is following the reactions of others around him. That might have been masked at Alabama, but it won't be in the pros.

meangene
03-04-2010, 08:29 AM
Mediator is right. Go back and watch McClain in the Senior Bowl. He is not reacting and leading the play, he is following the reactions of others around him. That might have been masked at Alabama, but it won't be in the pros.

He is a junior. Didn't play in the Senior Bowl. He pulled a hamstring in the national championship game that has not completely healed. That is why he did not workout in the drills at the combine.

Mediator12
03-04-2010, 08:41 AM
Great article on McClain:

Originally Published: November 4, 2009
McClain's football smarts off the charts


Maisel By Ivan Maisel
ESPN.com
Archive

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- If the Big Defensive Coordinator in the Sky wanted to sculpt the modern middle linebacker, No. 3 Alabama junior Rolando McClain just may be his prototype: He is 6-foot-4, 258 pounds, and the way his cable-like limbs are connected by a strong torso, he could be mistaken for a small forward. Senior cornerback Javier Arenas described what it's like as a tackler when McClain arrives to finish off the guy with the ball.

When Rolando McClain sizes up a running back, that ball carrier is going to feel the impact. "You black out for a second," Arenas said, "and try to figure out what truck hit you. You see him walking away. OK, it's him."

Crimson Tide H-back Preston Dial makes room for Heisman candidate Mark Ingram. Dial knows how to open holes. It is his station in life to block McClain three days a week. He's considering an easier line of work, like being Brock Lesnar's sparring partner.

"Not only are his legs real strong," Dial said of McClain, "but he's so physical with his hands in shedding blockers. He never stays blocked. You have to stop the linebacker's charge and switch his momentum. He's so violent when he comes and meets you in the hole, all you hope for is a stalemate. Instead of the running back picking his hole, Ro makes the decision for the running back which way he is going to go."

Yet McClain's physical skills are not the main reason he leads one of the nation's best defenses with 57 tackles. His ability to deliver a blow isn't why he's a semifinalist for the Lombardi Award.

There are moments on the practice field when McClain takes a play off. That's not to say that McClain would ever line up and not give everything he can possibly give, whether it's Saturday in Bryant-Denny Stadium against No. 9 LSU, Tuesday on the practice field or a July Wednesday in a 7-on-7 drill. McClain would take his uniform off before he would take a play off.

But there are times in practice when the coaches take McClain out of a drill to give a younger guy some work. McClain takes the play off. On those occasions, more often than not, McClain will not trot over to the sideline, grab a water bottle and chat up his teammates. McClain will walk to the middle of the field to stand alongside head coach Nick Saban.

Saban will watch the drill with his arms crossed. McClain will watch the drill with his arms crossed.

When McClain, consciously or not, adopts Saban's posture, it is physical confirmation of what everyone within Alabama football already understands. Ro McClain is Nick Saban writ large -- and fast and explosive. "Coach on the field" may be a cliché. With McClain, it fits. He may have a football-hot body but McClain is loved by his coaches and his teammates for his mind.

"It's unbelievable how much he understands the game," fellow linebacker Cory Reamer said. "The second part is how well he knows the defense. He really knows what Coach would like to go to in the situations we get it and he really does a good job communicating it."

On offense, when quarterback Greg McElroy calls an audible, the center changes the blocking scheme for the offensive line, and the backs and wide receivers signal one another their changes. On defense, when McClain calls an audible, he makes the changes for the defensive linemen, the secondary and the linebackers. Clemson defensive coordinator Kevin Steele, who held that position at Alabama the previous two seasons, has coached linebackers on the major college level and in the NFL for more than two decades.

"He's got that gift of being able to analytically process information and react to it as fast as any guy I've ever been around," Steele said. "There are a lot of ways to teach players -- in the classroom, on the board, with video, practice reps. Some guys have to do it full speed. You can pass Rolando in the hall and say, 'In this formation, in this defense we need to do this,' and it's done.

"I've never coached but two like that," Steele said. "One of them was Sam Mills, who played 12 years in the NFL and was All-Pro several times. And Rolando."

Sitting at his desk on a recent hectic, game-planning Monday, Saban paused to explain what makes McClain's grasp of defense different from most players. If his defensive playbook were a math text, it would be calculus. McClain knows it like a Tuscaloosa first-grader knows that two plus two equals 3rd-and-6.

"Some guys understand their position," Saban said. "But I would venture to guess Ro knows what every player is supposed to do on every play on defense, and he knows like I know who didn't do right, and when he didn't do right, sometimes immediately."

Asked to define McClain's football intelligence for an audience that hasn't played, Saban used baseball.

"You can teach a hitter where the strike zone is," Saban said. "You can even teach him how to swing a bat. But you really can't teach him [how to judge] a ball or a strike from the time it leaves the pitcher's hand until it gets to home plate. The guy's got to figure that out on his own and make an" -- Saban snapped his fingers -- "almost athletic intuition decision, that this is a good pitch to hit.

"Even though we're not playing baseball, from a football-playing standpoint, Ro would be … " Saban thought for a second. "Albert Pujols?"

It would be a great story to say that McClain sought out Saban, that he came to Tuscaloosa from his hometown of Decatur, Ala., to scratch an intellectual itch. It would be a great story. It would be fiction.

"When I came here, he told me if I wanted to play my freshman year, I had to learn the defense," McClain said. He began to laugh. "I wanted to play."

That they came together at all is a happy accident. McClain committed to Alabama to play for Saban's predecessor, Mike Shula. All McClain knew about Saban was that he had won a national championship at LSU. Saban knew McClain had been one of the nation's top high school linebackers at Decatur High. But he didn't get to know him until the freshmen reported to campus in the summer of 2007.

Saban met a young man ready to compete. As McClain helped lead Decatur High to the state Final Four in basketball, he also continued working out for football.

"He understood when he committed to Alabama that, 'Hey, I have a chance to play early,'" Decatur High head football coach Jere Adcock said. "He and Caleb Thomas, who's a guard at UAB now, would come up here after basketball practice and lift weights."

Adcock said he has had players who pushed themselves as hard as McClain. "They're undersized," he said. "To see a kid of that size and that ability push himself to that level is why he has elevated himself."

McClain beat out a returning starter, sophomore Prince Hall, and started the opener as a true freshman. The season had its bumps. McClain started eight games. Saban, who drives his players and coaches as hard as he drives himself, learned not to yell at McClain.

"It didn't do any good," Saban said. He recognizes the obsession.

"I'm so competitive," McClain said. "I want to be the best at everything I do. Growing up, I wanted to be the smartest, wanted to be the best swimmer, whatever it was we were doing. Against everybody, anything I did. Whether it was in the classroom or whatever, I always wanted to be the best. I'm hard on myself. I know I'm not perfect and I know I'm never going to be perfect. At the same time, I can always work and be better because I want to get there. Coach says I'm too much of a perfectionist."

If Nick Saban thinks you're too much of a perfectionist, you might think about taking it down a notch. When McClain comes off the field distraught after missing a tackle, Saban is the one who tells him to let it go.

Saban wouldn't have McClain any other way.

"That's a tremendous asset, as long as you can keep channeling it in the right direction," Saban said.

In McClain's case, that direction is usually toward the line of scrimmage with ill will on his mind.

McClain is a great off the field player, no questions there. This article makes it seem like he is in total control of the defense at all times, knowing the whole scheme, and even being able to audible to how the defense should play.

His tape tells a different story. If he has that kind of command of the defense, why does he take so many false steps? If he puts them in position to make a play, why is he late to get there sometimes. If he is this type of athlete, how come he misses his angles and overruns his responsibility when he should simply be able to hold his gap or assignment?

Mentally this kid should play like Patrick Willis on tape if he was half of what this claims to be. His tape is simply not as impressive as this leads you to believe. He reminds me entirely too much of Derrick Johnson coming out of Texas a few years ago. The same Derrick Johnson who got benched by the chiefs last year. He plays in a scheme that allows the play to funnel to him and if it isn't, he makes the audible to make it come to him. Yet, when the rubber meets the road, he is slow to make the play all too often. When he does, it looks like a Highlight reel. That is how Johnson was used at Texas.

The difference is Johnson had the recovery speed to take false steps and still make the play. McClain the superhuman athlete, has yet to show his legit Speed to scouts. If he runs 4.5, then OK he deserves to get drafted that high. However, his mental speed is nowhere near what this article makes it out to be.

Rohirrim
03-04-2010, 08:44 AM
He is a junior. Didn't play in the Senior Bowl. He pulled a hamstring in the national championship game that has not completely healed. That is why he did not workout in the drills at the combine.

Must have been the BCS title game then. I expected him to dominate. He didn't.

meangene
03-04-2010, 08:50 AM
McClain is a great off the field player, no questions there. This article makes it seem like he is in total control of the defense at all times, knowing the whole scheme, and even being able to audible to how the defense should play.

His tape tells a different story. If he has that kind of command of the defense, why does he take so many false steps? If he puts them in position to make a play, why is he late to get there sometimes. If he is this type of athlete, how come he misses his angles and overruns his responsibility when he should simply be able to hold his gap or assignment?

Mentally this kid should play like Patrick Willis on tape if he was half of what this claims to be. His tape is simply not as impressive as this leads you to believe. He reminds me entirely too much of Derrick Johnson coming out of Texas a few years ago. The same Derrick Johnson who got benched by the chiefs last year. He plays in a scheme that allows the play to funnel to him and if it isn't, he makes the audible to make it come to him. Yet, when the rubber meets the road, he is slow to make the play all too often. When he does, it looks like a Highlight reel. That is how Johnson was used at Texas.

The difference is Johnson had the recovery speed to take false steps and still make the play. McClain the superhuman athlete, has yet to show his legit Speed to scouts. If he runs 4.5, then OK he deserves to get drafted that high. However, his mental speed is nowhere near what this article makes it out to be.

I'm sure I haven't watched as much tape on him as you have but I have been impressed with him every single time I have seen him play. You certainly cannot argue with his production - first team All-American, Lombardi Award winner, etc. I don't think Saban throws praise around lightly. I have not read anywhere that any scouts have him rated any lower than the first half of the first round. I don't see the correlation to Johnson at all. But, then, 100 people can watch the same thing and end up with different versions of what they see. I'm betting he will be a great NFL player. Just my opinion.

meangene
03-04-2010, 08:58 AM
Must have been the BCS title game then. I expected him to dominate. He didn't.

Take a look at this article about both his impact on the game and how ill he was leading up to the game and during the game:

http://www.tidesports.com/article/20100108/NEWS/100109625

Mediator12
03-04-2010, 09:03 AM
I'm sure I haven't watched as much tape on him as you have but I have been impressed with him every single time I have seen him play. You certainly cannot argue with his production - first team All-American, Lombardi Award winner, etc. I don't think Saban throws praise around lightly. I have not read anywhere that any scouts have him rated any lower than the first half of the first round. I don't see the correlation to Johnson at all. But, then, 100 people can watch the same thing and end up with different versions of what they see. I'm betting he will be a great NFL player. Just my opinion.

Now, do not get me wrong, McClain deserved every single one of those awards too. He was all that in college, for sure. However, I am explaining the inconsistencies I see on tape versus that article and some Evaluations I have read.

Johnson was a top 10 Prospect as well. The correlation is their athletic ability and college scheme. College Coaches coach to win College games, not develop NFL players. Texas is really this way. Saban put McClain in the drivers seat to succeed when he saw what he had in him. That does not mean he will translate into the pros like he was in college.

Really, what I am trying to say here is that great college player does not equal great NFL player. I think he got maximized at Alabama with all that talent around him and the scheme focused on him. The NFL will be very different. He might still be a very good NFL player, but I do not see him even approaching that college dominance level in the NFL.

Rohirrim
03-04-2010, 09:09 AM
Take a look at this article about both his impact on the game and how ill he was leading up to the game and during the game:

http://www.tidesports.com/article/20100108/NEWS/100109625

Well, tidesports might have one take and somebody else could have another. Now, let me be clear, I am not saying McClain is not good. He is. What I am saying is he doesn't live up to the hype. He's not the next Ray Lewis. This draft is thin at ILB so it's only natural that the best of the pack will rise a little higher than he might in a draft that was thick with ILBs. Check out these tapes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCgaxKo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG6bwopKTc&feature=related

Does he hesitate to make his reads or is he taking off at the snap? Is he finishing every play hard? How often is he the lead tackler? In the right system, like Saban's, I think McClain will be excellent.

meangene
03-04-2010, 09:18 AM
Well, tidesports might have one take and somebody else could have another. Now, let me be clear, I am not saying McClain is not good. He is. What I am saying is he doesn't live up to the hype. He's not the next Ray Lewis. This draft is thin at ILB so it's only natural that the best of the pack will rise a little higher than he might in a draft that was thick with ILBs. Check out these tapes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCgaxKo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG6bwopKTc&feature=related

Does he hesitate to make his reads or is he taking off at the snap? Is he finishing every play hard? How often is he the lead tackler? In the right system, like Saban's, I think McClain will be excellent.

I'm not a big fan of taking video of a few plays out of hundreds to judge a player. No player can hold up to that kind of scrutiny. I'm not saying he is perfect. But, one of the things that all the evaluators note about McClain is his instincts and leadership. And, that is where I see him as different than a guy like Johnson and why I see him as a very successful pro. That, and his work ethic and intelligence. Keep in mind also that this is a big man - 6'3" plus and 255 pounds. That makes him somewhat unique in my mind when you couple that size with his physical skills. If we don't take him, I just hope he is not in our division.

Rohirrim
03-04-2010, 09:24 AM
I'm not a big fan of taking video of a few plays out of hundreds to judge a player. No player can hold up to that kind of scrutiny. I'm not saying he is perfect. But, one of the things that all the evaluators note about McClain is his instincts and leadership. And, that is where I see him as different than a guy like Johnson and why I see him as a very successful pro. That, and his work ethic and intelligence. Keep in mind also that this is a big man - 6'3" plus and 255 pounds. That makes him somewhat unique in my mind when you couple that size with his physical skills. If we don't take him, I just hope he is not in our division.

In my own mock, I have the Chiefs taking him at #5, so if I'm right, we're out of luck. ;D

Taco John
03-04-2010, 09:36 AM
Tallying up the vote. If you haven't voted, get it in.

meangene
03-04-2010, 09:53 AM
In my own mock, I have the Chiefs taking him at #5, so if I'm right, we're out of luck. ;D

We had him going there in the last draft too. That would suck! :kcbard:

Taco John
03-04-2010, 09:55 AM
The results are in. And we need to have a run off:

Dan Williams (9 votes)
gunns, Rohirrim, Dagmar, Taco John, orangecrusher, McSchism, Mediator12, orinjkrush, cousinal11,



Rolando McClain (8 votes)
Zona, SpringStein, meangene, SouthStandJunkie, LonghornBronco, NFLBRONCO, robbieopperude, eddiemac,




Iupati (3 votes)
Hat, MightySmurf, atomicbloke,



Pierre Paul (1 mention, but not a vote)




Sean Weatherspoon (1 vote)
ludo21,



Dan LeFevour (1 vote)
bronco militia,



Here is the runoff thread:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=89744

Taco John
03-04-2010, 10:14 AM
11. Denver - from Chicago (7-9) - Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee

Taco John
03-04-2010, 10:14 AM
Miami is on the clock

Taco John
03-04-2010, 10:15 AM
Here's the current board:

1. St. Louis (1-15) - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Detroit (2-14) - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Tampa Bay (3-13) - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
4. Washington (4-12) - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Kansas City (4-12) - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee6. Seattle (5-11)
6. Seattle (5-11) - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
7. Cleveland (5-11) - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
8. Oakland (5-11) - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
9. Buffalo (6-10) - Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
10. Jacksonville (7-9) - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
11. Denver - from Chicago (7-9) - Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Miami -

Rohirrim
03-04-2010, 10:40 AM
For Miami I have to go with Golden Tate. He ran well at the combine (4.37) and I believe he will move up the boards. He's been compared a lot to Steve Smith.

Play2win
03-04-2010, 10:52 AM
Who do people think is going to be the better NFL linebacker McClain or Weatherspoon?

ColoradoBuff
03-04-2010, 10:57 AM
McClain for Miami

LonghornBronco
03-04-2010, 10:57 AM
McClain becomes the BPA, what is Miami's status at ILB?

gunns
03-04-2010, 12:54 PM
Miami is in need of a LB and Parcells is known for taking LB's in the first round. Crowder is banged up and Ayodele is backup. McClain

SpringStein
03-04-2010, 01:10 PM
McClain

Dagmar
03-04-2010, 01:40 PM
McClain

meangene
03-04-2010, 01:50 PM
McClain

Taco John
03-04-2010, 02:20 PM
12. Miami (7-9) - Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama

Taco John
03-04-2010, 02:20 PM
San Francisco is on the clock.

Rohirrim
03-04-2010, 02:29 PM
Anthony Davis

SpringStein
03-04-2010, 03:19 PM
Anthony Davis

Make that 2 votes - and then a S (Thomas) with their upcoming pick.

Taco John
03-04-2010, 09:03 PM
Anthony Davis seems like a NB here

robbieopperude
03-04-2010, 10:00 PM
My vote is for Earl Thomas Safety U of Texas. Singletary likes defensive players and that dude looked good at the combine. I think the OT's in this draft are all pretty risky and Thomas is the much safer pick.

Taco John
03-05-2010, 10:51 AM
Any more input on this pick?

Cool Breeze
03-05-2010, 11:11 AM
Anthony Davis

ChSuperStar
03-05-2010, 11:30 AM
anthony davis

+ 1

elsid13
03-05-2010, 12:20 PM
SF need is interior offense line play and Safety. Unless people think they draft Davis to play RT. Go Iupati

SpringStein
03-06-2010, 07:01 AM
Been SF's pick for almost 2 days. Davis has 5 votes, we should move on.

oubronco
03-06-2010, 09:49 AM
Anthony Davis

gunns
03-06-2010, 09:55 AM
Been SF's pick for almost 2 days. Davis has 5 votes, we should move on.

I think Seattle's 6th pick has everyone discombobulated.

I've always wanted to try and type that word. Doesn't look right but sounds right.

Taco John
03-10-2010, 12:54 AM
This mock draft is totally hosed with the signing of Jamal Williams.

Clearly, we're not likely to draft a NT with the 11 now.

The Joker
03-10-2010, 08:39 AM
I wouldn't be so sure.

Williams is a short term solution, we'll be lucky if we get a year or two of good play out of him.

NT's typically take a year or two at least to be ready to start in the NFL. Bringing in Dan Williams now would allow him to ease his way into life in the NFL, and who better to learn from for a year or two than Jamal Williams?

Ronald Fields isn't a solution of any sort because he's

A - A free agent after 2010

B - Not a special player by any means. A quality backup, but not the guy you want anchoring your line for years to come.

We saw last year how we brought in experienced DB's in Free Agency, then proceeded to draft Smith, McBath and Bruton pretty high. The theory is good, bring in short term solutions to play now and then draft possible long term solutions in the hope they can learn from your vets.

I'm very pleased with the FA signings, no doubt, but the D-Line still needs work. I don't want us to just get by, I want us to have a line that can really impose itself on games and shut down teams when they try to run at us. And if we want that we're gonna have to devote premium picks to getting guys who can do that.

If the team thinks Dan Williams can be a premier NT one day, then they need to take him.

_Oro_
03-10-2010, 08:40 AM
If Dan Williams was the guy then there's no reason he shouldn't still be the guy. It's not like he was going to come in and start and be effective as a rookie NT.

edit: beat me to it

ColoradoBuff
03-10-2010, 09:41 AM
so where are we at...49ers pick still?

gunns
03-11-2010, 07:21 PM
Jamal could be a great teacher for Dan. I don't see why we don't.

Taco John
03-16-2010, 12:36 AM
I wouldn't be so sure.

Williams is a short term solution, we'll be lucky if we get a year or two of good play out of him.

NT's typically take a year or two at least to be ready to start in the NFL. Bringing in Dan Williams now would allow him to ease his way into life in the NFL, and who better to learn from for a year or two than Jamal Williams?

Ronald Fields isn't a solution of any sort because he's

A - A free agent after 2010

B - Not a special player by any means. A quality backup, but not the guy you want anchoring your line for years to come.

We saw last year how we brought in experienced DB's in Free Agency, then proceeded to draft Smith, McBath and Bruton pretty high. The theory is good, bring in short term solutions to play now and then draft possible long term solutions in the hope they can learn from your vets.

I'm very pleased with the FA signings, no doubt, but the D-Line still needs work. I don't want us to just get by, I want us to have a line that can really impose itself on games and shut down teams when they try to run at us. And if we want that we're gonna have to devote premium picks to getting guys who can do that.

If the team thinks Dan Williams can be a premier NT one day, then they need to take him.



I hear all your points... But to take Dan Williams as the number one pick - it just doesn't seem like an 11th pick priority anymore. Josh doesn't have the luxury to think about what this team will need three years from now. He needs guys who can step in this year and play - compete for rookie of the year even.

Personally, I would think either McClain or 'Spoon would be priorities right now.

I think we should do another consensus draft run in April once the dust settles a little. Though, people are welcome to roll through this if they want.

Taco John
03-16-2010, 12:36 AM
so where are we at...49ers pick still?

Yes.