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SouthStndJunkie
02-18-2010, 03:24 PM
Post your random draft thoughts/rumors/tidbits/rants here.

SouthStndJunkie
02-18-2010, 03:25 PM
Georgia Tech wide receiver Demaryius Thomas, a projected first-round draft pick, broke his left foot on Wednesday while training for the NFL combine in Scottsdale, Ariz., according to SI.com.

Thomas has been ruled out of participating in any of the workouts during the combine, according to SI.com.

Thomas agent, Todd France, told SI.com that doctors expect a 4-to-6 week recovery period.

"There are no long-term effects from the injury and Demaryius will be 100 percent by the time OTA's begin," France told SI.com, adding that surgery is a possibility. "If surgery hastens the healing process, that is something we will consider."

At 6-foot-3 and 230 pounds, Thomas is an unusually big receiver with good speed. He led the Yellow Jackets with 46 receptions and led the Atlantic Coast Conference with 1,154 yards receiving and about 25 yards per catch this season.

He caught passes in 29 straight games before he was shut out in Georgia Tech's 24-14 Orange Bowl loss to Iowa in January.

Paladin
02-18-2010, 05:23 PM
Third rounder?

Mediator12
02-18-2010, 07:33 PM
Third rounder?

He grades much higher than that, but it all depends on who will pull the trigger on an Injured WR. I had him around the middle of Round 2 until the injury. This was a Player who would have benefitted from a solid 40 time and seeing him run routes other than what he did @ GT.

SouthStndJunkie
02-18-2010, 08:50 PM
Third rounder?

I projected Demaryius Thomas to be drafted in the top/middle of the second round....probably anywhere in the 33 to 50 range....the injury might push him down a little further.

broncowill
02-18-2010, 09:42 PM
I was thinking if we traded Brandon Marshall for a 1st we dont have to get Bryant. We could use the pick on an offensive lineman and use our other pick on a defensive lineman and get another wide reciever later.

I have my eye on Danario Alexander from Missouri. Hes 6-foot-5 215 pretty fast for a reciever that size and good hands

in 2009 he had 113 receptions for 1781 yards and 14 tds

he could take over Brandon Marshalls role as a possesion reciever and he is also great at screens and short yardage catches so he would be perfect for our system

SouthStndJunkie
02-18-2010, 09:54 PM
I was thinking if we traded Brandon Marshall for a 1st we dont have to get Bryant. We could use the pick on an offensive lineman and use our other pick on a defensive lineman and get another wide reciever later.

I have my eye on Danario Alexander from Missouri. Hes 6-foot-5 215 pretty fast for a reciever that size and good hands

in 2009 he had 113 receptions for 1781 yards and 14 tds

he could take over Brandon Marshalls role as a possesion reciever and he is also great at screens and short yardage catches so he would be perfect for our system

Danario Alexander just underwent some more surgery on his left knee earlier this week. Alexander has had 3 previous knee surgeries.

He was projected as a 4th round pick before the last knee surgery....look for him to drop even further.

ColoradoBuff
02-19-2010, 08:48 AM
Georgia Tech wide receiver Demaryius Thomas, a projected first-round draft pick, broke his left foot on Wednesday while training for the NFL combine in Scottsdale, Ariz., according to SI.com.

Thomas has been ruled out of participating in any of the workouts during the combine, according to SI.com.

Thomas agent, Todd France, told SI.com that doctors expect a 4-to-6 week recovery period.

"There are no long-term effects from the injury and Demaryius will be 100 percent by the time OTA's begin," France told SI.com, adding that surgery is a possibility. "If surgery hastens the healing process, that is something we will consider."

At 6-foot-3 and 230 pounds, Thomas is an unusually big receiver with good speed. He led the Yellow Jackets with 46 receptions and led the Atlantic Coast Conference with 1,154 yards receiving and about 25 yards per catch this season.

He caught passes in 29 straight games before he was shut out in Georgia Tech's 24-14 Orange Bowl loss to Iowa in January.



That sucks! hopefully we can still him in the 3rd-4th round if he lasts that long!

Mediator12
02-19-2010, 09:04 AM
Just finished grading the DB's in this draft. As much as I like the DT's and OLB/DE's, the CB's are just as deep. I have 7 CB's with First round grades, and 5 of those can be legit #1 CB's. Of the next 5 or so CB's, a bunch really have better FS potential than CB potential at this point, but really could develop over time into solid #2 CB's. That is easily the highest amount of starting grade CB's I have seen coming out since 2005. And then, there were many more #2 CB grades than the true ability top be #1 CB's.

This draft just keeps getting deeper on the defensive side of the ball. Now, I am going back to start deepre into the offensive players. Going to start with the WR's since I just watched a bunch of them going against the DB's and they are still fresh in my mind.

gyldenlove
02-19-2010, 09:37 AM
Just finished grading the DB's in this draft. As much as I like the DT's and OLB/DE's, the CB's are just as deep. I have 7 CB's with First round grades, and 5 of those can be legit #1 CB's. Of the next 5 or so CB's, a bunch really have better FS potential than CB potential at this point, but really could develop over time into solid #2 CB's. That is easily the highest amount of starting grade CB's I have seen coming out since 2005. And then, there were many more #2 CB grades than the true ability top be #1 CB's.

This draft just keeps getting deeper on the defensive side of the ball. Now, I am going back to start deepre into the offensive players. Going to start with the WR's since I just watched a bunch of them going against the DB's and they are still fresh in my mind.

Where did Kyle Wilson, Perrish Cox and Dominique Franks grade? Those are 3 guys I am looking at in the top of the 2nd if they are available.

Mediator12
02-19-2010, 10:33 AM
Where did Kyle Wilson, Perrish Cox and Dominique Franks grade? Those are 3 guys I am looking at in the top of the 2nd if they are available.

I liked them all. All have first round grades, but the talent level in this draft at premium positions could push them down into the top of the second.

oubronco
02-19-2010, 10:35 AM
Just finished grading the DB's in this draft. As much as I like the DT's and OLB/DE's, the CB's are just as deep. I have 7 CB's with First round grades, and 5 of those can be legit #1 CB's. Of the next 5 or so CB's, a bunch really have better FS potential than CB potential at this point, but really could develop over time into solid #2 CB's. That is easily the highest amount of starting grade CB's I have seen coming out since 2005. And then, there were many more #2 CB grades than the true ability top be #1 CB's.

This draft just keeps getting deeper on the defensive side of the ball. Now, I am going back to start deepre into the offensive players. Going to start with the WR's since I just watched a bunch of them going against the DB's and they are still fresh in my mind.

I'm interested to see your list as they are graded

Mediator12
02-19-2010, 10:53 AM
I'm interested to see your list as they are graded

After the OM draft, I will make it available for a small fee ;D

Just kidding, but I will reserve the right to keep it for awhile before I let it go.

Obushma
02-19-2010, 11:22 PM
David Reed 6'1 188lb WR Utah

I don't see the Broncos going after him as he doesn't fit a "need" position in my opinion. This kid is one hell of a ball player, was the main offensive weapon for the Utah Utes.

Top 5 Fastest Risers
Todd McShay
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=4927274

"Utah WR David Reed: Though this 6-1, 188-pound former juco transfer has flown under the radar to this point, expect him to be drafted ahead of many household names from the college ranks, such as Danario Alexander (Missouri), Jacoby Ford (Clemson) and Freddie Barnes (Bowling Green). Suddenness, ball skills and fearlessness are three of the most important attributes for receivers transitioning to the NFL, and Reed excels in all three areas. He should develop into a very good No. 3 receiver at the next level and is worth the investment late in Round 3."
Possible homes: St. Louis, Cleveland, Miami, Denver, Carolina, Cincinnati, New England, Baltimore, Dallas, New York Jets

If B. Marsh is moved, I hope we'd pick up a late 3rd-4th somewhere to grab him. Forget about using that first on Dez, build solid on both lines go for the gems w/ later picks.

BroncoMan4ever
02-20-2010, 04:33 AM
I liked them all. All have first round grades, but the talent level in this draft at premium positions could push them down into the top of the second.

i am really liking the look of this draft. i just wish we had more picks. there are at least 50 guys right now, who have been graded as potential 1st rounders. i love the fact that we can be acquiring 1st round talent in the 2nd and possibly 3rd rounds.

broncogary
02-21-2010, 07:35 AM
i am really liking the look of this draft. i just wish we had more picks. there are at least 50 guys right now, who have been graded as potential 1st rounders. i love the fact that we can be acquiring 1st round talent in the 2nd and possibly 3rd rounds.

You mean 1st round talent like Jarvis Moss? Hilarious!

Dedhed
02-21-2010, 09:26 AM
Now, I am going back to start deepre into the offensive players. Going to start with the WR's since I just watched a bunch of them going against the DB's and they are still fresh in my mind.

I'm really interested to hear your take on the WRs. There are a lot of guys I'm intrigued with.

The WRs, combined with the rest of the talent in this draft make getting rid of Marshall (and Scheffler) an intriguing prospect.

If you have tape on Freddie Barnes, I'd love to get your thoughts. He's on my sleeper radar for late on day 2. I also think that Shipley will attract McD with his route running ability. I'd love him in the 3rd, but not sure if he gets there. He could drop a little if he gets outshone at the combine.

Mediator12
02-21-2010, 12:01 PM
You mean 1st round talent like Jarvis Moss? Hilarious!

Let's get one thing straight. Talent is very different from performance. This is the deepest talent pool of players available to be drafted in a long time. However, what the past drafts have taught us is that talent does not equal execution in the NFL, unlike College.

The step from the College premier player to NFL star is much bigger mentally, than physically. A lot of the large school talented kids never get polished on their football technique and mental game in college. Then, they get drafted by teams who fail to translate an incomplete football player into a system they are unsure he can execute with his actual skillset. To top it off, they change schemes and even entire philosphies so often that players never get comfortable in a system or are no longer suited to play in the new one.

Moss was definitely one of the most talented pure pass rushers coming out of college in awhile. The problem with him was and still is his lack of polish, preparation, and development. He was drafted to be a 4-3 RDE in an attacking one gap front. Since then, he has changed systems twice and not been able to execute the new responsibilites of those systems.

Moss still has the raw talent of a high first round player, much like Jason Pierre-Paul in this draft. The problem is in using that talent to execute the play in front of him. Almost every player who busts in the NFL can not handle the Transition of not being physically more gifted than the player across from them. They never develop the right mental attitude to become an NFL Starter, let Alone the potential Pro-Bowler they could become with the right mental approach and development.

So, while I agree that Moss is a good joke to some here, he is also one of the best examples of how NOT to draft DEN has had in awhile. They gave up pick value to go obtain him, knowing he was still a very risky player who would probably only shine in the right system and with the right players around him.

Why waste resources to draft that kind of player? Desperate need and the feeling that they were only "one or 2 players away" from a championship. Those kinds of short term Decisions can get HOF coaches fired if they are wrong too often. It sure did in DEN.

Paladin
02-21-2010, 12:20 PM
You can apply that analysis and reasoning to any player, including Smith......

27atwater
02-21-2010, 01:49 PM
According to Charlie Casserrly, this is the best draft since 1983. The main reason is because all of the juniors are afraid of a rookie salary cap and came out early so ya have almost 2 classes worth of prospects.

IMHO, This is the draft to load up on 2nd round picks.

elsid13
02-21-2010, 03:27 PM
Dan LeFevour isn't going to participate at combine. WFT?


http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Combine-Results-2010/combine-dan-lefevour-to-skip-passing-drills.html

meangene
02-21-2010, 05:33 PM
Dan LeFevour isn't going to participate at combine. WFT?


http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Combine-Results-2010/combine-dan-lefevour-to-skip-passing-drills.html

Unless he has an undisclosed injury, this is just plain stupid. It would give him a chance to a get step up on Clausen and Bradford. It's not like he is one of those top-rated prospects with nothing to prove.

Dedhed
02-21-2010, 06:52 PM
I was thinking if we traded Brandon Marshall for a 1st we dont have to get Bryant. We could use the pick on an offensive lineman and use our other pick on a defensive lineman and get another wide reciever later.

I have my eye on Danario Alexander from Missouri. Hes 6-foot-5 215 pretty fast for a reciever that size and good hands

in 2009 he had 113 receptions for 1781 yards and 14 tds

he could take over Brandon Marshalls role as a possesion reciever and he is also great at screens and short yardage catches so he would be perfect for our system

I agree with your tenet, but I'm not a fan of Alexander at all. I don't think he translates to the NFL very well coming from that offense.

I like the mid-round talent at WR.

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2010, 02:33 PM
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SouthStndJunkie
02-25-2010, 05:30 PM
Trindon Holliday aims for 4.23-second 40-yard dash

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/25/trindon-holliday-aims-for-423-second-40-yard-dash/

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 25, 2010 6:29 PM ET

Not many people knew who Chris Johnson was until the running back from East Carolina turned heads at the 2008 scouting combine by running a 4.24-second 40-yard dash. After that 40, the Tennessee Titans chose Johnson with the 24th pick in the draft, and Johnson is now the league's reigning offensive player of the year.

LSU running back Trindon Holliday wants to do Johnson one better.

"My goal is to run a 4.23," Holliday said today in Indianapolis.

It's not out of the question. The 5-foot-5 Holliday is a track star who has run the 100-meter dash in 10 seconds flat, and he says he's been timed at 4.21 seconds in the 40.

"It's not really a competition," Holliday said of trying to beat Johnson's time. "I just want to come out and run as fast as I can. But I am going to try to.''

oubronco
02-25-2010, 06:44 PM
Let R rip tater chip

Chris
02-26-2010, 02:40 PM
Post your random draft thoughts/rumors/tidbits/rants here.

You forgot nuggets.

SouthStndJunkie
02-26-2010, 04:53 PM
Mitch Petrus ties bench-press record

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/26/mitch-petrus-ties-bench-press-record/

Posted by Mike Florio on February 26, 2010 6:47 PM ET

When I was in high school, I once said to one of the guys who was far too concerned about the amount of weight he could bench press that I was aware of no job application that requests that information.

He laughed. And then he threw me out a window.

More than 25 years later, I am aware of a job application that requests that information. The NFL not only wants to know how many times a guy can bench-press 225 pounds; the NFL wants to see it.

On Friday, they saw Arkansas lineman Mitch Petrus tie the Scouting Combine record (kept since 2000) with 45, according to Frank Tadych of NFL.com.

Other offensive and defensive linemen who impressed were Russell Okung of Oklahoma State with 38, Eric Olsen of Notre Dame with 35, Joe Hawley of UNLV with 35, and Maryland's Bruce Campbell with 34.

The all-time low was set nine years ago by cornerback Fred Smoot, who wobbled his elbows to a single rep. He would later find other ways to exercise the muscles of his upper body.

elsid13
02-26-2010, 04:55 PM
That dam impressive

SouthStndJunkie
02-27-2010, 10:23 AM
Holliday may have reached his goal

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/27/holliday-may-have-reached-his-goal/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 27, 2010 10:56 AM ET

LSU running back Trindan Holliday vowed to run faster than Chris Johnson at the NFL Scouting Combine, and he may just have pulled it off.

ESPN's Adam Schefter said Holliday ran a 4.22, which is faster than Johnson's 4.24 from two years ago. Then again, all of the times that will come out of Indianapolis are unofficial for at least a few hours.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle tweeted that another scout timed Holliday at 4.26 and 4.31.

We eagerly await the official results so we can know if the Raiders will take Holliday in round one or two.

ludo21
02-27-2010, 11:28 AM
that is fast, but I think it officially came out as 4.34 or something??

Drek
02-27-2010, 12:45 PM
that is fast, but I think it officially came out as 4.34 or something??

Yep. When NFL.com posts it then its final, and they're saying 4.34.

Two impressive early 40's for Bruce Campbell and Trent Williams. Both potential 1st round OTs ran in the 4.8's. Shows some impressive raw athleticism.

Campbell also came in 5th so far on the bench, with 34 reps. Putting up workout warrior numbers. I think Al Davis has found his 1st round pick.

Broncoman13
02-28-2010, 07:43 AM
Campbell was impressive. Looks incredibly lean, very similar to a guy lie Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic. Long and Lean and super athletic. But, if we take anybody from the this tackle group, I hope it is Trent Williams. He would be a tremendous LG and has the ability to back up the oft injured Ryan Harris at RT. In fact, this guy may be good enough to slide into the LT slot if Clady were to ever miss time. At the least though, he would be a nice addition to the OL. And as impressive as Campbell was at the combine, Trent Williams was right there with him and has better tape as well.

Dedhed
02-28-2010, 09:14 AM
Campbell will be a Raider, and be a total bust.

Broncoman13
02-28-2010, 10:38 AM
If he does end up a Raider, he will be a bust... but that goes for just about anybody drafted by Oakland.

Golden Tate just helped himself out. Any questions regarding his speed have been answered. He ran a 4.37 followed by a 4.38 (unofficial). Any way you slice it, he's plenty fast enough. Basically, he is Eddie Royal fast. He'll be a #1 pick.

Jordan Shipley hurt himself with his 40 times (4.67ish). He'll be lucky to make it into the 3rd or 4th rounds. Most likely, he'll be a 6th round pick and will really have to show something in camp to make a team. Wish he could've run in the high 4.4s or low 4.5s. Oh well.

Looking forward to watching this Skelton kid throw the football. Big and decent speed for his size (6'6 250 ran a 4.9). Drawing a lot of comps to Joe Flacco.

SouthStndJunkie
02-28-2010, 12:21 PM
Dan LeFevour ran the 40 in 4.66 seconds....excellent time for a 6'3 230 pound QB.

SouthStndJunkie
02-28-2010, 12:22 PM
Tim Tebow ran the 40 in 4.72 seconds.

Colt McCoy — 4.79 seconds

Dedhed
02-28-2010, 12:24 PM
Dan LeFevour ran the 40 in 4.66 seconds....excellent time for a 6'3 230 pound QB.

This kid has whiffed, if you ask me, by not throwing the football. Really, you played at Western Mich, and you're not going to take advantage of an opportunity to throw in front of the football world.

Sorry, but I don't like that attitude at all.

SouthStndJunkie
02-28-2010, 12:27 PM
Golden Tate is going to be a good NFL WR.

He is tough and fearless and plays bigger than his size.

SouthStndJunkie
02-28-2010, 12:28 PM
This kid has whiffed, if you ask me, by not throwing the football. Really, you played at Western Mich, and you're not going to take advantage of an opportunity to throw in front of the football world.

Sorry, but I don't like that attitude at all.

He played at Central Michigan, not Western Michigan....have you watched any of his games?

Dedhed
02-28-2010, 12:34 PM
Looking forward to watching this Skelton kid throw the football. Big and decent speed for his size (6'6 250 ran a 4.9). Drawing a lot of comps to Joe Flacco.

He looked solid to me. Ball had pop, and was on the money with most throws.

Mayock: "That's a strong armed kid right there, throwing the ball. I think that's Skelton isn't it"?

I'd love to see us end up with Skelton.

Dedhed
02-28-2010, 12:36 PM
He played at Central Michigan, not Western Michigan....have you watched any of his games?
Sorry, I had Scheffler on the brain I guess, but it's the same thing. If you're resting on Central Michigan laurels there's something amiss.

SouthStndJunkie
02-28-2010, 12:46 PM
Toby Gerhart....4.53 and 4.58 unofficially.

Paladin
02-28-2010, 03:34 PM
Golden Tate is going to be a good NFL WR.

He is tough and fearless and plays bigger than his size.

How would he be different than Royal? They were saying that Tate had trouble getting separation......

elsid13
02-28-2010, 03:46 PM
Skelton looked very good throwing ball and his measurables were better then I expect. I do think he going to be steal with couple of years of NFL coaching.

SouthStndJunkie
02-28-2010, 04:30 PM
How would he be different than Royal? They were saying that Tate had trouble getting separation......

I still think Eddie Royal can rebound from last year and be a good WR again....he had 91 catches his rookie year.

Besides, I think Tate gets decent seperation.

Tate is almost 20 pounds heavier than Royal and is more physical than Royal is.

meangene
02-28-2010, 04:43 PM
I still think Eddie Royal can rebound from last year and be a good WR again....he had 91 catches his rookie year.

Besides, I think Tate gets decent seperation.

Tate is almost 20 pounds heavier than Royal and is more physical than Royal is.

And he has unreal hands and ball skills. Agree on Royal, though. He needs to be the slot receiver in our offense - play the Wes Welker role.

broncos-rock
02-28-2010, 09:01 PM
What about Tim Hiller as a late round pick? Seems like alot of connection to the McDaniels clan. Played for his dad, went to the same high school, etc., etc....Just curious I watched youtube film on him. Seems okay not blown away though! Thoughts?

bpc
02-28-2010, 10:13 PM
Golden Tate is going to be a good NFL WR.

He is tough and fearless and plays bigger than his size.

Steve Smith part 2.

bpc
02-28-2010, 10:15 PM
Toby Gerhart....4.53 and 4.58 unofficially.

LOVE Toby. Great football player. He has to hold onto the ball a little better though. I think he will. He's what I like to call a tempo setter, a mentality check.

bpc
02-28-2010, 10:17 PM
Campbell was impressive. Looks incredibly lean, very similar to a guy lie Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic. Long and Lean and super athletic. But, if we take anybody from the this tackle group, I hope it is Trent Williams. He would be a tremendous LG and has the ability to back up the oft injured Ryan Harris at RT. In fact, this guy may be good enough to slide into the LT slot if Clady were to ever miss time. At the least though, he would be a nice addition to the OL. And as impressive as Campbell was at the combine, Trent Williams was right there with him and has better tape as well.

Great point. I think Williams needs to be polished up but his multi-position versatility is going to be stuff that people covet. What you saw with his runs being sub 5 is a great athlete.

He started the season at LT, struggled a little bit from what I heard and finished the year at center. He looked damn good at center too, a position where we have a huge hole.

Interesting proposition.

SouthStndJunkie
02-28-2010, 11:58 PM
What about Tim Hiller as a late round pick? Seems like alot of connection to the McDaniels clan. Played for his dad, went to the same high school, etc., etc....Just curious I watched youtube film on him. Seems okay not blown away though! Thoughts?

I actually wrote a long article on all of the MAC prospects for the draft.

Hiller is definitely a worthy late round prospect.

Here is what I wrote about Hiller:

Western Michigan's QB Tim Hiller is another intriguing prospect. At 6'5 and 234 pounds, he has prototypical NFL size. Hiller's senior year did not match the stellar junior year he had, in which he threw for 3,725 yards with an excellent 36/10 TD/INT ratio. Hiller has a strong enough arm, is intelligent, and is solid mechanically. Knee surgeries will be a red flag for scouts. Hiller is not a great athlete and is not a threat to do damage on the ground. At this point, I see Hiller being selected in the 5th or 6th rounds.

(note he was 6'4 and 229 pounds at the combine)

SouthStndJunkie
03-01-2010, 12:04 AM
Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State helped his stock today.

6'0 and 218 pounds and ran in the low 4.4 range.

Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee ran a 4.49 at 6'0 and 225 pounds and solidified his 3rd round grade.

eddie mac
03-01-2010, 09:34 AM
Unofficial Times

Suh ran a 4.98 on his first 40.

Dan Williams ran a 5.17, 1st run

oubronco
03-01-2010, 12:57 PM
<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">NFL | L. Houston runs strong time in 40-yard dash
</TD><TD width="20%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:24:02 -0800

Jason Feller, of NFL.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/156), reports Texas DL Lamarr Houston (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22529/nfl) posted an unofficial time of 4.85 seconds in the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.orangemane.com/link/183). He also posted an unofficial 9-foot-6 broad jump.

<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">NFL | T. Cody struggles in 40-yard dash
</TD><TD width="20%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:41:04 -0800

Jason Feller, of NFL.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/156), reports Alabama DL Terrence Cody (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22452/nfl) posted unofficial times of 5.64 seconds and 5.75 seconds in his 40-yard dash attempts at the NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.orangemane.com/link/183).

<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">NFL | Kindle posts solid time in 40-yard dash
</TD><TD width="20%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:39:48 -0800

Jason Feller, of NFL.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/156), reports Texas DL/LB Sergio Kindle (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22493/nfl) posted an unofficial time of 4.65 seconds in the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.orangemane.com/link/183).

<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">NFL | G. McCoy struggles during 40-yard dash
</TD><TD width="20%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:21:21 -0800

Jason Feller, of NFL.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/156), reports Oklahoma DL Gerald McCoy (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22287/nfl) unofficially ran a solid time of 4.96 seconds in his first 40-yard dash attempt at the NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.orangemane.com/link/183); however, he dropped to 5.14 seconds in his second attempt.

<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">NFL | D. Davis posts fast 40-yard dash time
</TD><TD width="20%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:16:44 -0800

Jason Feller, of NFL.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/156), reports Arizona State DE Dexter Davis (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22595/nfl) posted an official time of 4.56 seconds in the 40-yard dash during the NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.orangemane.com/link/183).

bpc
03-01-2010, 01:19 PM
I like Kindle and I'm coming around to Dan Williams at #11. He gave Iapati all he could handle at the senior bowl from what I saw. He rag-dolled him a bunch and that's saying a lot because Mike has been owning people most of the year.

SouthStndJunkie
03-01-2010, 03:47 PM
Unofficial Times

Suh ran a 4.98 on his first 40.

Dan Williams ran a 5.17, 1st run

Plus, Ndamukong Suh had a vertical jump of 35 1/2 inches....impressive for a dude his size.

BroncoMan4ever
03-01-2010, 04:30 PM
Campbell will be a Raider, and be a total bust.

nah he won't bust, I am sure he will be like Robert Gallery and make an ok Guard in a few years.

DBroncos4life
03-01-2010, 09:33 PM
How impressive has Jason Pierre-Paul been. The combine is a great place for guys like him that you don't get much film on to showcase his skills. Why he picked South Florida over LSU, Florida and NU is beyond me. His combine numbers are very impressive though. 6-4, 270 pounds and ran a 4.64 40 time. He has DeMarcus Ware type of ability all over him. Where was he on McShay's list before the combine?

gyldenlove
03-01-2010, 09:37 PM
Plus, Ndamukong Suh had a vertical jump of 35 1/2 inches....impressive for a dude his size.

Suh did exactly what he had to, showed strength, explosiveness, speed.

DBroncos4life
03-01-2010, 09:50 PM
Hey Med what are your thoughts about Jamar Chaney? Some how I was allowed to draft him in our Mock draft last year. No one said anything about him staying so I took him early. ;D I thought he had a pretty good showing so far at the combine. He has a similar size and speed to Jerod Mayo. 6-1 242 and a 4.54 40 time. Mayo's speed was pretty close to that. Where do you see him going and do you think he can play in a 3-4?

Great13
03-02-2010, 01:52 AM
How about those Georgia boys Geno Atkins and Jeff Owens? They seem to be flying under the radar and performed pretty well at the combine. I haven't hear much about them being playmakers.. but they fit the bill for strong, tough, blue collar 3-4 DL guys. They are on the short and squatty side at 6-1 but check out these numbers...

Atkins - 293 lbs - 4.75 40yd Dash - 34 reps - 33in vertical - 9ft 9in broad jump
Owens - 304 lbs - 4.97 40yd Dash - 44 reps - N/A vertical - 8ft 5in broad jump

Sound like explosive, strong athletes to me. And I'm sure they'll be available after round 3. Med? bpc? Any expert takes? I think they could really hold up well at the POA at one of our DE positions.

cmhargrove
03-02-2010, 07:02 AM
Posted: Monday March 1, 2010 6:48PM; Updated: Monday March 1, 2010 6:49PM
Risers & Sliders: Hybrid DE-LBs shine on Day 5 of NFL Combine

By Tony Pauline, Special to SI.com, TFYDraft.com

INDIANAPOLIS -- On Monday, it was the defensive linemen and linebackers' turn to take the field at the NFL Scouting Combine. The performances on the field ranged from outstanding to awful.

Risers
LaMarr Houston/DT/Texas: Houston continues to fly up draft boards with exceptional performances. He ran his 40 in 4.85 after weighing in at 305 pounds. During drills, he stood out by displaying terrific movement skills and playing to his timed speed. Houston was considered a free agent prospect entering the season, but has since changed the way scouts view him. He could be selected as early as Round 3.

Everson Griffen/DE/USC: Griffen was one of the most athletic defenders on the field all day. He measured 6-foot-3�, 273 pounds then completed 32 reps on the bench press. Stop-watches in the stadium clocked him in the 4.65 range both times he ran the 40. During the position drills, Griffen looked incredibly smooth and explosive. From an athletic point of view, he grades out as a top 45 pick in the draft.

Thadeus Gibson/DE-OLB/Ohio State: Gibson also completed 32 reps on the bench after tipping the scales at 243. His 40 times ranged in the low-to-mid 4.7 area. Gibson really showed his stuff during the practice session. He was terrific in all the defensive line drills and looked incredibly athletic. Then, like many of the players who worked out this morning, Gibson was put through a battery of linebacker drills and was brilliant. There's little doubt that the college defensive end has the talent to make the immediate transition to outside linebacker in the NFL.

Earl Mitchell/DT/Arizona: Mitchell looked amazingly athletic for a defensive tackle who weighed in at 296. He was fast in the 40, twice breaking 4.75 seconds on stop watches, then practiced to that speed during drills. Mitchell was quick moving to the sidelines, displayed a burst in a straight line and was constantly applauded by coaches throughout the morning.

Arthur Moats/DE-OLB/James Madison: Moats did what every small-school prospect at the combine must do -- make scouts take notice. His 40 times in the mid-to-low 4.6 range were some of the fastest of the day. Moats looked even faster in practice and was another college defensive end who stood out when put through linebacker drills.

Ricky Sapp/DE-OLB/Clemson: We mentioned last week that Sapp was finally running on healthy knees and his performance here proved as much. Sapp arguably had the best workout at Lucas Oil Stadium. He ran his 40 times in the low 4.6 area and then showed incredible athleticism as he moved his 6-4, 252-pound frame around the field during drills.

Navorro Bowman/OLB/Penn State: The junior was incredibly fluid and quick on Monday. He ran solid 40 times of 4.7 but seemed much faster in drills. When asked to display his ball skills in coverage, Bowman looked more like a defensive back than linebacker.

Pat Angerer/LB/Iowa: Angerer ran faster than scouts expected and performed much better in drills than anyone could have imagined. His 40 times were in the high 4.6-area and Angerer looked terrific in pass coverage drills, dispelling the myth he's just a two-down defender.

Daryl Washington/OLB/TCU: Washington, one of the real winners from the Senior Bowl last month, again impressed scouts here in Indianapolis. He was one of the fastest linebackers of the day, with hand timings in the low 4.6s. Washington displayed incredible quickness and footwork in all the drills. He has cemented himself as a second-round selection.

Sean Weatherspoon/OLB/Missouri: Weatherspoon was impressive from start to finish. He completed 34 reps on the bench -- a total few defensive linemen beat. Weatherspoon then looked terrific in drills, moving with speed in all directions of the field.

Sliders
Terrence Cody/DT/Alabama: It seems to go from bad to worse for Cody. He started off on the right foot, tipping the scales at 354, 20 less than his weight at the Senior Bowl last month. Cody's performance after that was abysmal. His 40 times barely got under 5.8 and he was slow from start to finish. During drills, he showed little explosion or athleticism and seemed to quickly wear down. Cody chose not to lift on the bench during the combine, which won't sit well with scouts.

Brandon Lang/DE/Troy State: Lang was touted as one of the best speed rushers in the 2010 draft prior to the season. He was slow on the field Monday, struggling to get under 5.0 in the 40 and was only able to complete 20 reps on the bench.

Vince Oghobaase/DT/Duke: Oghobaase struggled with injuries last season and it seems to have sapped him of quickness and explosion. He was slow in the 40 and could not get under 5.4. Oghobaase looked marginally athletic during drills. He's a dominant lineman at the top of his game, but has not been able to perform at that level for some time.

Greg Hardy/DE/Mississippi: NFL scouts handed Hardy the highest pre-season grade of any senior who took the field last season. He was expected to be a top-10 choice. Hardy will be lucky to be drafted in Round 2. On Monday, his spiral down draft boards continued, as Hardy began the day barely breaking 4.95 in the 40, then looked more like a late-round pick during the drills.

Notes
ē Of the 39 defensive ends invited to the combine, all but five were asked to participate in linebacker drills on Monday. This is indicative of not only the changing defenses around the league which has been employing more zone blitzes besides 3-4 alignments, but also of the talent in this year's group of ends. Most of the prospects are undersized college pass rushers likely to stand up over tackle in the NFL.

ē There were some other notable performances from today's defensive line group that must be mentioned. Rahim Alem of LSU and Sergio Kindle of Texas ran in the low 4.7-range, while both Jerry Hughes of TCU and Carlos Dunlap of Florida were almost one-tenth faster in the mid-4.6 range. For Dunlap, whose known to have motivational issues, it further drives home the belief he does not always play up to his level of ability.

ē Scouts question the speed of the top two inside linebackers in April's draft, but neither Rolando McClain nor Brandon Spikes ran at the combine on Monday. Both will wait until their pro day to run the 40. It was not a good decision for either prospect, especially Spikes, who participated in drills but did not look particularly effective.

SouthStndJunkie
03-02-2010, 08:58 AM
Berry out-runs Haden at combine

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/02/berry-out-runs-haden-at-combine/

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 2, 2010 10:48 AM ET

The defensive backs are running Tuesday morning at the NFL scouting combine, and the top two players in the position group had very different results in the 40-yard dash.

Tennessee's Eric Berry is in the process of solidifying his status as the top safety prospect with a good workout that included 40 times of 4.46 and 4.40 seconds. But Florida's Joe Haden, who entered the combine widely regarded as the top cornerback prospect, ran disappointing times of 4.57 and 4.60 seconds.

Those 40 times are unofficial, and unofficial times deserve plenty of scrutiny. But while we have Berry going fourth overall and Haden going fifth in our mock draft, Berry looked a lot more like a Top 5 pick on Tuesday morning than Haden did.

NFL Network analyst Deion Sanders, who knows a little something about playing defensive back and about running fast 40-yard dashes, said Haden looked uncomfortable from the beginning and even suggested that Haden might be getting some coaching that has made him self-conscious about his running technique.

"First of all, it was a horrible stance," Sanders said of Haden. "I don't know what he's being taught -- sometimes you've just got to let a guy run. Tweak him a little bit but don't try to change everything."

Sanders is right: When wearing a helmet and shoulder pads, Haden looks like a guy who has all the speed he needs. But when wearing his underwear Tuesday morning, Haden didn't look like an elite prospect.

TheDave
03-02-2010, 09:09 AM
Sean Weatherspoon/OLB/Missouri: Weatherspoon was impressive from start to finish. He completed 34 reps on the bench -- a total few defensive linemen beat. Weatherspoon then looked terrific in drills, moving with speed in all directions of the field.



I'm trying to let the A. Smith trade go but the thought of Dan Williams at #11 and Spoon at #14 is just killing me.

Rohirrim
03-02-2010, 09:16 AM
I'm trying to let the A. Smith trade go but the thought of Dan Williams at #11 and Spoon at #14 is just killing me.

It's a bitter pill.

How about this one: Jason Pierre-Paul/OLB at 11 and Dan Williams/NT at 14?

SouthStndJunkie
03-02-2010, 10:02 AM
Mays posts unofficial 4.24 40-yard dash

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/combine/

INDIANAPOLIS — The competition just went up a notch here at the NFL Scouting Combine, as two of the top safeties just posted a couple of eye-popping numbers.

USC safety Taylor Mays was clocked with an unofficial 4.24-second 40-yard dash. If that number holds, it would tie Chris Johnson for the fastest 40 time in combine history. NFL.com’s Bucky Brooks did hear another scout put Mays at 4.33, but even with that time, Mays would become the second-fastest participant at this year’s combine.

Just seconds after Mays posted his amazing 40 time, Tennessee’s Eric Berry had his own sensational moment.

The man considered to be Mike Mayock’s second-rated safety had an unofficial 43-inch vertical jump, which would place him among the best defensive backs of all time in the vertical.

TheDave
03-02-2010, 10:17 AM
It's a bitter pill.

How about this one: Jason Pierre-Paul/OLB at 11 and Dan Williams/NT at 14?

There are so many possible combinations at #11 & #14 it makes my head spin.

Rohirrim
03-02-2010, 10:23 AM
Mays posts unofficial 4.24 40-yard dash

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/combine/

INDIANAPOLIS ó The competition just went up a notch here at the NFL Scouting Combine, as two of the top safeties just posted a couple of eye-popping numbers.

USC safety Taylor Mays was clocked with an unofficial 4.24-second 40-yard dash. If that number holds, it would tie Chris Johnson for the fastest 40 time in combine history. NFL.comís Bucky Brooks did hear another scout put Mays at 4.33, but even with that time, Mays would become the second-fastest participant at this yearís combine.

Just seconds after Mays posted his amazing 40 time, Tennesseeís Eric Berry had his own sensational moment.

The man considered to be Mike Mayockís second-rated safety had an unofficial 43-inch vertical jump, which would place him among the best defensive backs of all time in the vertical.

I knew Mays would blow the combine away. But why doesn't he have Lott/Polamalu numbers on the field? That's the question some team has to answer.

Requiem
03-02-2010, 10:32 AM
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

SouthStndJunkie
03-02-2010, 11:16 AM
I knew Mays would blow the combine away. But why doesn't he have Lott/Polamalu numbers on the field? That's the question some team has to answer.

Taylor Mays does not play as fast as his 40 time.

Mays has the speed of a corner, but does not have the hips of a corner....he has straight line speed.

He also thinks too much on the field instead of reacting.

I don't think he will be a bust in the NFL....but I don't think he will be a dynamic difference maker either.

His combine workout will help to slow his slide down the draft boards.

Rohirrim
03-02-2010, 11:22 AM
There will be couple of interesting draft day moments when Pete Carroll passes on Mays - twice. ;D

cmhargrove
03-02-2010, 11:30 AM
Taylor Mays does not play as fast as his 40 time.

Mays has the speed of a corner, but does not have the hips of a corner....he has straight line speed.

He also thinks too much on the field instead of reacting.

I don't think he will be a bust in the NFL....but I don't think he will be a dynamic difference maker either.

His combine workout will help to slow his slide down the draft boards.

Michael Huff part 2?

SouthStndJunkie
03-02-2010, 11:41 AM
Mays' official time jumps to 4.43

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/02/safety-dance-in-april-will-be-interesting/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 2, 2010 1:07 PM ET
Taylor Mays' blazing forty time wasn't quite as fast as it appeared.

Perhaps because of an itchy trigger finger by a NFL Network employee, Mays' unofficial time of 4.24 went all the way up to a 4.43.

Requiem
03-02-2010, 12:01 PM
I posted it on my blog (http://broncosdraft.wordpress.com), but the Broncos are supposedly taking a pretty strong look at Iowa CB Amari Spievey. I'm not sure how Med has him graded out, but I do know he just finished up the cornerbacks. I've always like how this guy played. Very tough and aggressive at the L.O.S. Good size too, and ran a 4.4 to boot, which was much faster than anticipated. I think he's in that second to third round range, probably mid-second now after today's peformance.

SoDak Bronco
03-02-2010, 12:06 PM
I posted it on my blog (http://broncosdraft.wordpress.com), but the Broncos are supposedly taking a pretty strong look at Iowa CB Amari Spievey. I'm not sure how Med has him graded out, but I do know he just finished up the cornerbacks. I've always like how this guy played. Very tough and aggressive at the L.O.S. Good size too, and ran a 4.4 to boot, which was much faster than anticipated. I think he's in that second to third round range, probably mid-second now after today's peformance.

I'm a big Hawkeyes fan, and really like Spievey. I was surprised to see him run in the 4.4 range, but I think one of the top 5 cB's off the board.

Requiem
03-02-2010, 12:15 PM
His 4.4 was very impressive, considering most expected him to run in the 4.5's. I've been editing my blog post, but that could move him into the top five available. A lot of ambiguity there, but probably because there's a lot of good players. I think where those guys will go is a matter of scheme versatility and how coverages can be different from team to team. Seems like a real physical guy. Would like to have him here, but I wonder if drafting another CB early is an indictment on Alphonso's play last year, or the fact we need more depth and youth.

gyldenlove
03-02-2010, 12:16 PM
Devin Mccourty made himself a stack of money with a really good 40 time, Dominique Franks may have put himself into the 1st round ahead of Cox and a few others with a solid 40.

Requiem
03-02-2010, 12:25 PM
This CB class is unreal. Probably picked the wrong year to trade our future first for Smith. Ugh. I still have high hopes for him though.

Requiem
03-02-2010, 12:44 PM
BTW, I think our selections are #11, #46 and #78 for the top three rounds. Can't figure the others until the compensatory selections are tossed through. May be wrong.

gyldenlove
03-02-2010, 03:42 PM
BTW, I think our selections are #11, #46 and #78 for the top three rounds. Can't figure the others until the compensatory selections are tossed through. May be wrong.

#11, #48 and #80 I am pretty sure, that won't change since there are no compensatory picks higher than the end of the 3rd round.

Mediator12
03-02-2010, 04:16 PM
I posted it on my blog (http://broncosdraft.wordpress.com), but the Broncos are supposedly taking a pretty strong look at Iowa CB Amari Spievey. I'm not sure how Med has him graded out, but I do know he just finished up the cornerbacks. I've always like how this guy played. Very tough and aggressive at the L.O.S. Good size too, and ran a 4.4 to boot, which was much faster than anticipated. I think he's in that second to third round range, probably mid-second now after today's peformance.

I have some much to do right now, but I want to know where Iowa keeps getting these tall CB/S tweeners like Spievey ;D 2 years ago it was Godfrey, last year it was Bradley Fletcher, and Now Spievey!

Spievey and all the Iowa Kids had excellent workouts and should start getting some love hopefully from draft guru's. Personally, I need to rework some things with regards to the CB's after watching them do drills. Haden was damn unimpressive flipping his hips, and there were others who looked much better and some worse going live. Right now, Spievey is my 11th ranked CB but that might change as I update speed and coverage skills on these guys.

CB's have to be able to cover the NFL WR's, it's not the same as other positions coming out. This is the one position where 40 speed does effect coverage skills.

eddie mac
03-02-2010, 04:19 PM
#11, #48 and #80 i am pretty sure, that won't change since there are no compensatory picks higher than the end of the 3rd round.

11-45-80

BroncoMan4ever
03-02-2010, 04:46 PM
Michael Huff part 2?

i still believe had Huff not ended up in Oakland he could have become a pretty good player

DBroncos4life
03-02-2010, 06:00 PM
I hope we walk out of this draft with Clifton Geathers. 6-7 and 299 pounds. He had a decent 40 time for a big guy. 4.96 in the 40. Also has a pretty impressive vertical for his size. 36 inches. Big ass hands too. 11 1/8 That is the type of size that takes away passing lanes.

Play2win
03-02-2010, 06:19 PM
I hope we walk out of this draft with Clifton Geathers. 6-7 and 299 pounds. He had a decent 40 time for a big guy. 4.96 in the 40. Also has a pretty impressive vertical for his size. 36 inches. Big ass hands too. 11 1/8 That is the type of size that takes away passing lanes.

But, can he do the forklift...

Drek
03-02-2010, 07:39 PM
This CB class is unreal. Probably picked the wrong year to trade our future first for Smith. Ugh. I still have high hopes for him though.

Alphonso Smith's combine numbers stack up with all the best CBs in this class and pretty much none of them have close to Smith's collegiate resume.

Just because the guy didn't light the NFL up as a rookie with no legit shot to crack the starting 2 CB spots doesn't mean he's a bust. He's still a better prospect to produce in 2010 than every CB in this class but Joe Haden.

Requiem
03-02-2010, 07:41 PM
I was a big Smith fan in college, but I don't think he'd be the second rated CB in this class. I think he'll end up doing well in time, I just get antsy at the prospects of having #11 and #14 this year, as opposed to Smith and #11 -- but here's to hoping Smith is a great starter down the road so it won't matter. :beer:

Drek
03-02-2010, 07:55 PM
I was a big Smith fan in college, but I don't think he'd be the second rated CB in this class. I think he'll end up doing well in time, I just get antsy at the prospects of having #11 and #14 this year, as opposed to Smith and #11 -- but here's to hoping Smith is a great starter down the road so it won't matter. :beer:

Sure, but if someone like Devin McCourty, a CB that Smith played head and shoulders better than in college and has matched or surpassed in most combine tests, is considered a riser and goes in the 1st round then how was going after Smith an overpay?

We needed a young CB. We had a guy the FO had rated very highly available to us because he happens to be an inch or two shorter than what some teams think he should be. If Smith was in this draft class he'd be the #2 CB behind Joe Haden, probably a first round pick.

So the first happened to be #14. That was just a product of record after the fact. If it was #20 would it be better? The first pick in the 2nd round instead?

People view the Smith trade with too harsh a light thanks to Smith's inability to make an impact in 2009. Thats overlooking the fact that we got a better CB prospect than guys who will go in the first round this year and we got him a year early. If the team was evaluating the 2010 CB class and knew they needed a CB within the next year or two then they made the right move.

oubronco
03-02-2010, 08:03 PM
No cause we sure didn't see first round talent on the field

gyldenlove
03-02-2010, 09:24 PM
Sure, but if someone like Devin McCourty, a CB that Smith played head and shoulders better than in college and has matched or surpassed in most combine tests, is considered a riser and goes in the 1st round then how was going after Smith an overpay?

We needed a young CB. We had a guy the FO had rated very highly available to us because he happens to be an inch or two shorter than what some teams think he should be. If Smith was in this draft class he'd be the #2 CB behind Joe Haden, probably a first round pick.

So the first happened to be #14. That was just a product of record after the fact. If it was #20 would it be better? The first pick in the 2nd round instead?

People view the Smith trade with too harsh a light thanks to Smith's inability to make an impact in 2009. Thats overlooking the fact that we got a better CB prospect than guys who will go in the first round this year and we got him a year early. If the team was evaluating the 2010 CB class and knew they needed a CB within the next year or two then they made the right move.

Smith would be behind Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson as well, he would rank somewhere in the mix with Dominique Franks and Perrish Cox, and there is no way he would be even close to a 1st rounder, that is just delussional.

Drek
03-03-2010, 05:00 AM
Smith would be behind Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson as well, he would rank somewhere in the mix with Dominique Franks and Perrish Cox, and there is no way he would be even close to a 1st rounder, that is just delussional.

Alphonso Smith had more INTs than Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson combined in his collegiate career.

At the combine he was a top performer in the 40-yard dash, Bench press, Vertical jump, Broad jump, 3-cone drill, and 20-yard shuttle. Wilson only had top numbers in the bench and Robinson in the vertical.

Wilson has the same questions about size that Alphonso Smith had, and even scouts high on him who call him a "playmaker" question his ball awareness. Robinson is often cited as an athletic talent who never lived up to his potential.

Smith and Robinson even both played in the ACC with only one year of difference in when they played there. Smith dominated while Robinson wasn't particularly noteworthy on the field.

The only way people could possibly rank either of those two above Alphonso Smith is if they seriously believe one or two inches of height makes all the difference in the NFL. That somehow the transition from college to the pros where they cover WRs who tower over all three of them makes that inch or two of height so much more essential.

This happens every year. People convince themselves that this year's class is not only better than last year's, but that this year's class is better at every position than last years. Its simply not true. All the talk after last year's draft about CBs had only one guy, an early entry guy at that, as a potential 1st rounder. That was Joe Haden. Thanks to the growing need for starting quality #3 and #4 corners teams are taking CBs who aren't as good as previous CBs higher and higher to fill needs. Doesn't change the fact that if Alphonso Smith was in this draft class he'd be a better prospect than everyone but Joe Haden.

Cool Breeze
03-03-2010, 05:55 AM
I hope we walk out of this draft with Clifton Geathers. 6-7 and 299 pounds. He had a decent 40 time for a big guy. 4.96 in the 40. Also has a pretty impressive vertical for his size. 36 inches. Big ass hands too. 11 1/8 That is the type of size that takes away passing lanes.

Player to watch today: Clifton Geathers
by Mocking Dan on Mar 1, 2010
When South Carolina's Clifton Geathers entered the draft, it was greeted with little more than a groan.

He's a physical talent at 6-foot-7 and 299 pounds. But Geathers had a down year with just three sacks. He also served a one-game suspension after being charged with disorderly conduct, drunkenness and resisting arrest.

Geathers didn't have to leave South Carolina after his junior year. His coaches insisted if he returned he'd be a first-round pick.

But that's exactly the reason Geathers is a player to watch. His potential is limitless. He could be a star as a 3-4 defensive end. Or, he could be like his cousin Jeremy Geathers.

Jeremy Geathers, the son of Jumpy Geathers, entered the 2008 draft a year early and didn't get picked. He hasn't played a down in the NFL.

For what it's worth, Geathers' arms measured in at 37 3/4 inches at the combine, according to Shawn Zobel. That's longer than renowned lanky defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul.

It's this kind of intrigue that makes the draft so fun to follow. Clifton Geathers could be a star. Or he may never suit up in the NFL. But today at the combine, he can go a long way in determining his fate

DBroncos4life
03-03-2010, 09:20 AM
Player to watch today: Clifton Geathers
by Mocking Dan on Mar 1, 2010
When South Carolina's Clifton Geathers entered the draft, it was greeted with little more than a groan.

He's a physical talent at 6-foot-7 and 299 pounds. But Geathers had a down year with just three sacks. He also served a one-game suspension after being charged with disorderly conduct, drunkenness and resisting arrest.

Geathers didn't have to leave South Carolina after his junior year. His coaches insisted if he returned he'd be a first-round pick.

But that's exactly the reason Geathers is a player to watch. His potential is limitless. He could be a star as a 3-4 defensive end. Or, he could be like his cousin Jeremy Geathers.

Jeremy Geathers, the son of Jumpy Geathers, entered the 2008 draft a year early and didn't get picked. He hasn't played a down in the NFL.

For what it's worth, Geathers' arms measured in at 37 3/4 inches at the combine, according to Shawn Zobel. That's longer than renowned lanky defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul.

It's this kind of intrigue that makes the draft so fun to follow. Clifton Geathers could be a star. Or he may never suit up in the NFL. But today at the combine, he can go a long way in determining his fate

I think we need to pick this kid. I have faith that Nunnley can work his magic with him.

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Alphonso Smith had more INTs than Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson combined in his collegiate career.

At the combine he was a top performer in the 40-yard dash, Bench press, Vertical jump, Broad jump, 3-cone drill, and 20-yard shuttle. Wilson only had top numbers in the bench and Robinson in the vertical.

Wilson has the same questions about size that Alphonso Smith had, and even scouts high on him who call him a "playmaker" question his ball awareness. Robinson is often cited as an athletic talent who never lived up to his potential.

Smith and Robinson even both played in the ACC with only one year of difference in when they played there. Smith dominated while Robinson wasn't particularly noteworthy on the field.

The only way people could possibly rank either of those two above Alphonso Smith is if they seriously believe one or two inches of height makes all the difference in the NFL. That somehow the transition from college to the pros where they cover WRs who tower over all three of them makes that inch or two of height so much more essential.

This happens every year. People convince themselves that this year's class is not only better than last year's, but that this year's class is better at every position than last years. Its simply not true. All the talk after last year's draft about CBs had only one guy, an early entry guy at that, as a potential 1st rounder. That was Joe Haden. Thanks to the growing need for starting quality #3 and #4 corners teams are taking CBs who aren't as good as previous CBs higher and higher to fill needs. Doesn't change the fact that if Alphonso Smith was in this draft class he'd be a better prospect than everyone but Joe Haden.

You and I usually agree with a lot of things, but I really disagree here. There was only one CB who had a first round grade coming out last year, this year there are between 6-8 depending on speed. Basically, last years draft lacked starting level players with short LTI, unlike this year. The talent was definitely for Nickel backs and depth at CB, yet 36 CB's were selected in the draft, the most in 5 years. This year is one of the deepest positions regarding starting level CB's in some time. Most of that is that these CB's are accomplished man to man Defenders, and some are even solid tacklers.

The DB coaches were pretty excited about this group because they saw a lot of Cover CB's. Haden running like Malcolm Jenkins really hurt his stock and do not be surprised to see several players not getting a lot of internet press move much higher than they are currently ranked. The buzz here in INDY was actually on Smiths teammate Brandon Ghee. I heard several people say he was one of the top people to watch. Teams threw at Smith More than Ghee 2 years ago. That is one of the reasons Smith made so many plays. McCourty, Robinson, and Wilson definitely moved up as well to the overall rankings on defenders.

This combine solidified a few things position wise. The depth is at CB, DT, OLB/DE tweener in that order for the defensive side of the ball. There are a few 3-4 DL body type guys in this draft, but the real problem with the DL is a lack of Height and Arm length. Not many Pure DL coming out, and those that are do not look athletic for their size. The athletic ones are really raw like JPP and Ricky Sapp. There are a ton of tweener players on the DL/LB front though. Guys like Eric Norwood or Thaddeus Gibson who do not have a solid NFL position coming out.

So, after getting a good read on these guys athletically the last few days I would have to say that Smith would be around 5-6 on most people boards in this draft. He ran over 4.5, did not break 4.0 on the short shuttle or 7.0 in the three cone. His 10 yard was not a top 10 score, and that is more important than the 40 for CB's. In short, he was a top CB coming out last year, but he might not be top 5 in this draft. Talent wise, we know he could play at Wake, but he struggled playing inside in the slot this year. It was not his strength coming out. He still has the skills to be a really good NFL CB, but he has to play better than he did last year.

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 10:10 AM
Player to watch today: Clifton Geathers
by Mocking Dan on Mar 1, 2010
When South Carolina's Clifton Geathers entered the draft, it was greeted with little more than a groan.

He's a physical talent at 6-foot-7 and 299 pounds. But Geathers had a down year with just three sacks. He also served a one-game suspension after being charged with disorderly conduct, drunkenness and resisting arrest.

Geathers didn't have to leave South Carolina after his junior year. His coaches insisted if he returned he'd be a first-round pick.

But that's exactly the reason Geathers is a player to watch. His potential is limitless. He could be a star as a 3-4 defensive end. Or, he could be like his cousin Jeremy Geathers.

Jeremy Geathers, the son of Jumpy Geathers, entered the 2008 draft a year early and didn't get picked. He hasn't played a down in the NFL.

For what it's worth, Geathers' arms measured in at 37 3/4 inches at the combine, according to Shawn Zobel. That's longer than renowned lanky defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul.

It's this kind of intrigue that makes the draft so fun to follow. Clifton Geathers could be a star. Or he may never suit up in the NFL. But today at the combine, he can go a long way in determining his fate

Geathers struggled mightily to sink his hips and move. The only players worse were Cody and Oghobaase in drills. The kid is extremely limited as a five technique, so his value would be late 6-UDFA IMHO. He might be draftable with the proliferation of needs for 3-4 DL, but then again he might not. I will say this, his LTI is not worth getting before the seventh round and he would not improve the DL for 2 years at the earliest.

Traveler
03-03-2010, 10:11 AM
Geathers struggled mightily to sink his hips and move. The only players worse were Cody and Oghobaase in drills. The kid is extremely limited as a five technique, so his value would be late 6-UDFA IMHO. He might be draftable with the proliferation of needs for 3-4 DL, but then again he might not. I will say this, his LTI is not worth getting before the seventh round and he would not improve the DL for 2 years at the earliest.

What's your take on Linval Joseph?

DBroncos4life
03-03-2010, 10:33 AM
Geathers struggled mightily to sink his hips and move. The only players worse were Cody and Oghobaase in drills. The kid is extremely limited as a five technique, so his value would be late 6-UDFA IMHO. He might be draftable with the proliferation of needs for 3-4 DL, but then again he might not. I will say this, his LTI is not worth getting before the seventh round and he would not improve the DL for 2 years at the earliest.

It's a coachable issue though right? He made a pretty dumb move coming out in this draft being as raw as he is. Still even if he needs work I have faith in Wayne Nunnely developing him. Personally I don't see how Geathers could be worse then Kenny Peterson in the long run.

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 11:18 AM
It's a coachable issue though right? He made a pretty dumb move coming out in this draft being as raw as he is. Still even if he needs work I have faith in Wayne Nunnely developing him. Personally I don't see how Geathers could be worse then Kenny Peterson in the long run.

Somewhat coachable. However, his athleticism is not like Calais Campell from ARI coming out. He might have the physical skillset, but not the ability to play at that level very soon. It took Campbell 2 years to adjust to playing the Five Technique, and his LTI was much better than Geathers coming out. He would be a great reason to spend a 7th rounder IMHO. But he is going to have to develop on the PS while he learns new skills.

DBroncos4life
03-03-2010, 12:14 PM
Somewhat coachable. However, his athleticism is not like Calais Campell from ARI coming out. He might have the physical skillset, but not the ability to play at that level very soon. It took Campbell 2 years to adjust to playing the Five Technique, and his LTI was much better than Geathers coming out. He would be a great reason to spend a 7th rounder IMHO. But he is going to have to develop on the PS while he learns new skills.

How would he compare to Igor Olshansky coming out of college? Geathers clearly isn't as strong as Olshansky but they do have similar numbers in the combine.

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 12:21 PM
How would he compare to Igor Olshansky coming out of college? Geathers clearly isn't as strong as Olshansky but they do have similar numbers in the combine.

Totally different style and type of player. Igor was a stout phone booth DT coming out. Geathers is much more long and shed type. Geathers frame screams 5 tech, but Igor's pure Strength allows him to hold the POA in a 3-4 more often than not.

SouthStndJunkie
03-03-2010, 12:50 PM
Donovan Warren/CB/Michigan: Warren started by struggling to get under 4.7 in the 40. He was ineffective in drills, exhibiting a poor backpedal, no burst out of his plant and an inability to change direction without losing a lot of momentum.

I thought Warren would impress at the combine....I figured he would run at least a 4.50 in the 40.

DBroncos4life
03-03-2010, 02:01 PM
Totally different style and type of player. Igor was a stout phone booth DT coming out. Geathers is much more long and shed type. Geathers frame screams 5 tech, but Igor's pure Strength allows him to hold the POA in a 3-4 more often than not.

I see. I have seen mock drafts that have Geathers going to the Pats. I for one hope that we can get him. Still I don't think he is a player that is going to be safe on any teams practice squad. I could be wrong though. Did you see my other question for you about Jamar Chaney? By all reports he is having a great combine. He is showing excellent change of direction and good feet. How do you see him and Pat Angerer who is also having a good combine fitting into a 3-4 system as ILBs?

Mediator12
03-03-2010, 02:40 PM
I see. I have seen mock drafts that have Geathers going to the Pats. I for one hope that we can get him. Still I don't think he is a player that is going to be safe on any teams practice squad. I could be wrong though. Did you see my other question for you about Jamar Chaney? By all reports he is having a great combine. He is showing excellent change of direction and good feet. How do you see him and Pat Angerer who is also having a good combine fitting into a 3-4 system as ILBs?

Geathers going WHEN to the Pats. No way that should be in the first three rounds. I have not seen anyone who has him in the top 100 and most not in the top 150 i have seen. The player DEN should be targeting is Corey Wooten of Northwestern if he grades out medically from his ACL. He would have been a top 20 Pick if his senior tape was better, but he never looked as explosive coming back from the Knee.

Jamar Chaney had a very good combine and might just make his way up the boards with the lack of solid LB's. I was skeptical of his tape as he was not very consistent week to week. That is why his grade is starting lower than it might end up. Athletically, he looks better than his tape and that helps.

Angerer and all the IOWA kids look good on tape and are very well coached. He might be a little small for a 3-4 ILB, but I think he will be a very good Mike for a 4-3 team.

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 02:54 PM
Jamar Chaney's problem seems to be play recognition. I wonder if he's got the smarts?

DBroncos4life
03-03-2010, 03:11 PM
Geathers going WHEN to the Pats. No way that should be in the first three rounds. I have not seen anyone who has him in the top 100 and most not in the top 150 i have seen. The player DEN should be targeting is Corey Wooten of Northwestern if he grades out medically from his ACL. He would have been a top 20 Pick if his senior tape was better, but he never looked as explosive coming back from the Knee.

Jamar Chaney had a very good combine and might just make his way up the boards with the lack of solid LB's. I was skeptical of his tape as he was not very consistent week to week. That is why his grade is starting lower than it might end up. Athletically, he looks better than his tape and that helps.

Angerer and all the IOWA kids look good on tape and are very well coached. He might be a little small for a 3-4 ILB, but I think he will be a very good Mike for a 4-3 team.

The mock had him going to the Pats in the 4th round...

Pat Angerer checked in at the same height as Sean Weatherspoon both under 6-1. We are rumored to be looking at Weatherspoon aren't we? Clearly I wouldn't have any idea of what rounds to pencil players in at but I see some guys that look like blue-collar types like Angerer that I would love on the team.

Rohirrim
03-03-2010, 04:32 PM
I just read an interesting note. It appears that the doctor who performed Bradford's shoulder surgery also happens to be the Skins team doctor.

Mediator12
03-04-2010, 08:11 AM
This years CB's are really coming out strong. The thing about the top guys is that they can be both Man and zone CB's. Last year, there were very few CB's who could play man, let alone Press man coverage. This group is taller, more physical, has better footwork, and better ball skills. The top 10-12 guys are going to compete for playing time on teams that need CB help right away.

The safeties also have some really good prospects. The footwork and ball awareness is much better than last years group.

LB's are going to be dependent on the Tweeners to have any quality at all. Not very deep here. ILB is the weakest I have ever seen. OLB has to rely on the smaller DE's to transition to LB in the Pros and a few Small school guys to be better at the next level.

DL has a ton of talent, but not a lot of requirements to be 4-3 DL. Not a lot of 4-3 DL at all. However, that means there is a bunch of 3-4 Quality type guys for DEN. The DE's are really not inspiring at all, unless a few make the transition to LB. The 2 top guys coming out should not be first rounders. Dunlap and Morgan are not first rounders. Graham and Griffen might be. JPP is a really solid talent, but there is a ton of risk there. Not the type to take as early as someone will inevitably do.

elsid13
03-04-2010, 03:10 PM
Just heard on the Washington DC radio , that Turner and Shanahan are very very high on Blount, think he could be the man for ZBS team.

SouthStndJunkie
03-08-2010, 04:56 PM
Dez Bryant won't work out at Oklahoma State Pro Day

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/dez-bryant-wont-work-out-at-oklahoma-state-pro-day/

Posted by Mike Florio on March 8, 2010 6:09 PM ET

Multiple league sources tell us that receiver Dez Bryant has advised the NFL's 32 teams that he won't be working out at the school's March 10 Pro Day.

Instead, he'll hold a separate workout on March 25.

Bryant also did not work out at the Scouting Combine.

Regarded as a high-end receiving talent, many concerns have emerged regarding Bryant's off-field habits. Given reports that he showed up late both for practices and games, we suspect that some will believe he needs the extra 15 days to get in shape.

Or maybe they're still telling him that his workout is March 10 and assuming that he'll show up for it on the 25th.

Rohirrim
03-08-2010, 04:59 PM
Dez Bryant won't work out at Oklahoma State Pro Day

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/dez-bryant-wont-work-out-at-oklahoma-state-pro-day/

Posted by Mike Florio on March 8, 2010 6:09 PM ET

Multiple league sources tell us that receiver Dez Bryant has advised the NFL's 32 teams that he won't be working out at the school's March 10 Pro Day.

Instead, he'll hold a separate workout on March 25.

Bryant also did not work out at the Scouting Combine.

Regarded as a high-end receiving talent, many concerns have emerged regarding Bryant's off-field habits. Given reports that he showed up late both for practices and games, we suspect that some will believe he needs the extra 15 days to get in shape.

Or maybe they're still telling him that his workout is March 10 and assuming that he'll show up for it on the 25th.

Fortunately, you don't have to worry about him being a diva. :rofl:

gyldenlove
03-08-2010, 05:09 PM
Geathers going WHEN to the Pats. No way that should be in the first three rounds. I have not seen anyone who has him in the top 100 and most not in the top 150 i have seen. The player DEN should be targeting is Corey Wooten of Northwestern if he grades out medically from his ACL. He would have been a top 20 Pick if his senior tape was better, but he never looked as explosive coming back from the Knee.

Jamar Chaney had a very good combine and might just make his way up the boards with the lack of solid LB's. I was skeptical of his tape as he was not very consistent week to week. That is why his grade is starting lower than it might end up. Athletically, he looks better than his tape and that helps.

Angerer and all the IOWA kids look good on tape and are very well coached. He might be a little small for a 3-4 ILB, but I think he will be a very good Mike for a 4-3 team.

Angerer is very productive but he has problems with shedding blocks and does not have sideline to sideline speed, to me he projects as 2 down ILB in a 2-gap 3-4 or a MLB in a 4-3 where he will be covered by two tackles.

Mediator12
03-09-2010, 08:02 AM
03/05/10 - Perrish Cox will not be allowed to participate in the OSU Pro Day for NFL scouts. OSU Head Football Coach Mike Gundy made that official this afternoon with Al Jerkens on Sports Animal Tulsa. Gundy had suspended Cox from playing in the Cotton Bowl for curfew violations in Dallas. Cox broke curfew on 2 seperate occasions while the Cowboys were preparing to play Ole Miss in the Cotton Bowl. Wghen asked about Cox and the OSU Pro Day, Gundy responded by saying Cox will not be allowed to use OSU facilities. Following his so-so outing at the recently completed NFL Combine in Indianapolis, Cox will have to find another location to try and sway NFL scouts that he is a 1st round pick. Currently, mock drafts have the defensive back and kick returner a middle 2nd round selection. The NFL Draft is in April. - Bartlesville Live

03/05/10 - Oklahoma State head coach Mike Gundy will not allow star cornerback Perrish Cox to work out at the team facilities for NFL scouts during the Cowboys' Pro Day March 10. Gundy announced as much publicly during a radio interview yesterday with Al Jerken on the Sports Animal Tulsa network. Gundy's decision continues a stunning fall from grace for the former All-Big 12 star. Cox was suspended due to two separate curfew violations while the team prepared in Dallas for the Alamo Bowl against Mississippi. He was not allowed to participate in the bowl game. Making matters worse, during his session with the media, Cox characterized the questions he received from NFL teams about his suspension from the Cowboys as being "harassed." Cox's term wasn't a slip of the tongue; he repeated the word several times to describe his Q and A sessions with teams. Cox furthermore hurt his chances with clubs by coming in much slower than expected during drills. Considered one of the top corners in the nation and a big play returner (six career touchdown returns), Cox was timed in the high 4.5s to low 4.6s in the 40-yard dash. Apparently, he'll need to find another location if he is to work out for scouts prior to the draft. Considering his characterization of their questions, it is difficult to believe scouts will be willing to go out of their way to see him again. It's too bad. Cox is a talented player worthy of first round consideration. At this point, however, it is questionable if he'll make the second or even third round. I've spoken to teams who have discussed removing him off their draft board entirely. - Rob Rang, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

03/03/10 - Perrish Cox cost himself a lot of money with his late nights at the Cotton Bowl. He might have cost himself even more money Sunday at the NFL Combine. Oklahoma Stateís wayward cornerback, suspended for his final college game after twice busting curfew in Dallas, did himself no favors when chatting with NFL media at Lucas Oil Stadium. Cox was not defiant, and he expressed contrition at leaving his Cowboy teammates in a lurch some 36 hours before they were to play Ole Miss. But he also talked about how team officials "harassedĒ him about the issue during his Combine interviews. He used the word "harassĒ five times in a 10-minute press conference. Maybe Cox doesnít know the meaning of the word. Maybe he got no coaching from his agent. Maybe he doesnít know the NFLís new world order, where knuckleheadsí draft status plummets. "Youíre going against the grain,Ē Gil Brandt said of trying to convince NFL personnel to overlook transgressions. Brandt, the Dallas Cowboysí scouting director in the Tom Landry days and now chief draft analyst for nfl.com, said Cox is a "talented player. But people now have taken the attitude, theyíd rather have a 70 percent dependable player than a 100 percent undependable player. "Itís unfortunate. I donít think heís going to go as high as had he not had those two late nights out in Dallas. When he does things like that, it costs him money.Ē - Berry Tramel, The Oklahoman

03/02/10 - I know Oklahoma State's Perrish Cox is a highly touted cornerback, but he'd have to convince me to draft him after he was suspended at the Cotton Bowl for missing curfew - not once but twice in the same week. "The first time was Sunday night," he said. "Me and a few other guys on the team decided to go out [because] we didn't have practice the next day. We came in after curfew and got caught. We didn't get suspended but [our coach] gave us other punishments. We actually went in the next few days, talked to him, got punishments and he gave it all back. "But it happened again on New Year's Eve. I went out and met up with my girlfriend at the time. It was a bad choice. I couldn't make it back on time. It was a stupid mistake. I learned from it, and it won't happen again." OK, so at least the guy is honest. But when Cox talked about clubs questioning him, he used the word "harassed." Excuse me? This is a job interview. If you're going to invest millions in an employee you want him to be responsible - or at least someone who can tell time. Cox used the word "harassed" more than once, and, I'm sorry, that might knock me out of the box. "It's done," Cox said of the suspension. "You can't get it back. Just move on. I can't let anybody get in my pocket." - Clark Judge, CBSSports.com



I can not believe this kid went there in his interviews. I heard about this, but I thought it was simply combine clutter to try and drop a propsects value. He has all the tools, has the return ability, and could easily been the #2 CB in this draft, except people are turned off by his attitude and work ethic.

There are about 4 CB's with first round grades that are not going to get drafted in the first round because of Character. The guy I took, Patrick Robinson, is probably going to be one of them. I just do not understand how stupid these players are....

Mediator12
03-09-2010, 08:14 AM
Angerer is very productive but he has problems with shedding blocks and does not have sideline to sideline speed, to me he projects as 2 down ILB in a 2-gap 3-4 or a MLB in a 4-3 where he will be covered by two tackles.

I did not see that at all when I watched him. He has classic take on and shed Mike Skills and His pass defense skills are much better than you are giving him credit. As for Sideline to sideline speed, he is not fast. However, his instincts are so good he gets to the POA faster than players who time better.

As for his comparison to Sean Weatherspoon, spoon is a full inch taller and has one more inch in arm length. Plus, he is sturdier than Angerer with 10+ more pounds to play the Inside in a 3-4. Personally, Spoon would be wasted playing inside to me at the next level. He would be a probowl level Will IMHO. He has the chase and coverage skills that not very many NFL LB's have. Plus, he got better at Stack and shed playing Mike last year.

Rohirrim
03-09-2010, 08:26 AM
I can not believe this kid went there in his interviews. I heard about this, but I thought it was simply combine clutter to try and drop a propsects value. He has all the tools, has the return ability, and could easily been the #2 CB in this draft, except people are turned off by his attitude and work ethic.

There are about 4 CB's with first round grades that are not going to get drafted in the first round because of Character. The guy I took, Patrick Robinson, is probably going to be one of them. I just do not understand how stupid these players are....

Let Perrish go work at Walmart for a year. That'll wise him up. :~ohyah!:

bombay
03-09-2010, 02:47 PM
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2756653/the_decades_best_nfl_draft_picks_by.html?cat=14

Saw this thingybob about the best draft picks at their position (number) of the decade. Sort of interesting. Ryan Clady is the best #12.

oubronco
03-10-2010, 02:23 PM
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Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:02:08 -0800

Daniel Jeremiah, of MoveTheSticks.com, reports Alabama LB Rolando McClain (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22370/nfl) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.74 seconds and 4.71 seconds at his Pro Day Wednesday, March 10.


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Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:49:27 -0800

Steve Wyche, of NFL.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/156), reports University of Alabama DT Terrence Cody (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22452/nfl) weighed in at 349 pounds at his Pro Day, which is five pounds lighter than he weighed at the NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.orangemane.com/link/183).
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ColoradoBuff
03-10-2010, 02:31 PM
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Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:02:08 -0800

Daniel Jeremiah, of MoveTheSticks.com, reports Alabama LB Rolando McClain (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22370/nfl) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.74 seconds and 4.71 seconds at his Pro Day Wednesday, March 10.


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Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:49:27 -0800

Steve Wyche, of NFL.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/156), reports University of Alabama DT Terrence Cody (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22452/nfl) weighed in at 349 pounds at his Pro Day, which is five pounds lighter than he weighed at the NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.orangemane.com/link/183).
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All but guarentees McClain to be there at 11!!!

mattob14
03-10-2010, 07:29 PM
All but guarentees McClain to be there at 11!!!

At least. Running 4.7's at a Pro Day may push him down to the bottom part of round 1.

s0phr0syne
03-10-2010, 08:34 PM
He can probably still catch Knowshon from behind... :P

I mean seriously, he probably could. But it don't matter to me. I was a fan of Knowshon last year, I like McClain this year. Plenty of people have said that they don't see it from him on film, so we'll see what ends up happening

meangene
03-10-2010, 08:39 PM
At least. Running 4.7's at a Pro Day may push him down to the bottom part of round 1.

NFLN said he ran in the 4.6's so I'm not sure of the time. Clearly, from the video he was not feeling well and did not complete all the drills.

SouthStndJunkie
03-10-2010, 08:44 PM
I'm wondering what round Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami is going to be drafted in?

A little over 6'6 and 260 pounds with 4.56 speed in the 40.

Graham is a basketball player, who played football last year and caught 5 TDs, despite his limited experience.

SouthStndJunkie
03-10-2010, 08:48 PM
It's actually a pretty deep draft for tight ends....an oddity, considering the top two ranked tight ends in the draft both missed the entire 2009 season.

s0phr0syne
03-10-2010, 08:59 PM
Yeah. I remembering watching Graham make some great plays for Miami.

For all the bad press that TEs get in a McD offense, I remember some seasons when NE really utilized Ben Watson. Even when they had Graham on the roster at the same time. So I'm not sure what's up with the underutilization of Scheffler. If we deal him away, there seem to be some good options to replace him.

The guy out of Pitt that ran the 4.4 looks like a good moveTE/Hback.

bpc
03-10-2010, 09:49 PM
Didn't somebody report that McClain has Crohn's disease?

That sucks.

The only good point is Denver should be forced to pass on him now.

Paladin
03-10-2010, 10:05 PM
NFLN said he ran in the 4.6's so I'm not sure of the time. Clearly, from the video he was not feeling well and did not complete all the drills.

Stress exacerbates the Disease......

SouthStndJunkie
03-10-2010, 10:22 PM
With Pro Days underway, team visits and private workouts are now being scheduled and the Denver Broncos are not wasting any time. Scout.com has learned that Broncos Offensive Line Coach Clancy Barone will work out one of the more intriguing offensive lineman available this April, Massachusetts OG Vladimir Ducasse, at UMass on Thursday, March 11th.

At 6-foot-4, 332 pounds, Ducasse, who was born in Haiti and moved to the U.S. in 2002, didn’t start playing football until he was in high school. A natural athlete who possesses tremendous athleticism, Ducasse started 35 games during his four-year career at UMass, and despite being raw, he’s widely considered to be a second round prospect.

The Broncos are desperate to add depth on their offensive line, especially inside at center and guard. Ducasse primarily played tackle at UMass, and there are teams that project him to play tackle at the next level, but he has the ability to be a dominant guard. He struggled at the Senior Bowl when he lined up at tackle, but was outstanding playing at guard. If the Broncos selected Ducasse in the second round (No. 45), they would draft him with the intention of using him at guard.

bpc
03-10-2010, 10:36 PM
I like Vlad. He's definitely on the raw side but you can see the athleticism and strength needed to play the position. I like him a lot.

SouthStndJunkie
03-10-2010, 10:42 PM
Ducasse in the 2nd round would be a good value and fill a big need.

meangene
03-11-2010, 03:49 AM
Stress exacerbates the Disease......

I wonder if the disease had anything to do with his being ill before the BCS Championship game. He had been sick all week and needed IV fluids. There is nothing good about this - what a shame for, by all accounts, a great young man.

SouthStndJunkie
03-11-2010, 09:57 PM
Southern Illinois RB Deji Karim (#31 in the video) kicked some ass at his workout today.

I'll be honest, there is not much out there on him in the way of video footage, but Karim might be a small school prospect to keep an eye on.

5'11 and 205 pounds. Karim toted the rock 240 times for 1694 yards and scored 18 TDs in 2009.

According to PFT.com, he ran the 40 in 4.37 seconds, had a vertical of 43 inches, a 20 yard shuttle time of 4.05 seconds, and a 6.67 second mark in the three-cone drill....those would have all placed him first or second among all RBs at the combine.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/11/deji-karim-has-strong-pro-day-supposedly/

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gyldenlove
03-12-2010, 06:57 PM
We are one of the teams being mentioned as having shown special interest in Alterraun Verner (CB) from UCLA, he is a shortish guy with good college production so I am predicting we trade a 2011 1st rounder to get into the top of the 2nd round to get him.

SouthStndJunkie
03-13-2010, 04:16 PM
I know we have mentioned him before, but Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech is being underrated in this draft.

He is recovering from a broken foot and is going to try and work out for teams in April.

He is 6'3 1/4 and 224 pounds. Supposedly, he has been timed at 4.38 in the 40.

He averaged 25.1 ypc in 2009, which is nuts.

He is projected as a 2nd round pick right now, but I don't think he will be there at our pick in the 2nd round....someone will take him at the end of the 1st round or top of the 2nd round.

If we trade B-Marsh, he would be an excellent replacement. I love his stiff arm.

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SouthStndJunkie
03-13-2010, 04:34 PM
In a MAC draft article I wrote a while back, I talked about a little known prospect from Kent State named Jameson Konz. Here is what I wrote about him back in February:

Jameson Konz, Kent State is a versatile prospect, who is being projected as a tight end, H- back, or a fullback in the NFL. Konz played LB for most of his college career, before moving to offense in 2009. Tallied 21 receptions for 298 yards and 2 TDs in 2009. His size to speed ratio is excellent (6'3 227 pounds with reported 4.4 speed). Could make his mark on special teams. Late round pick/UDFA.

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He had his pro day last week, but there were very few teams that attended due to other pro days, but it looks like he absolutely kicked some ass:

http://www.recordpub.com/news/sports_article/4787114?page=0

Kent State held its annual football Pro Day on Thursday morning and those on hand — including the Cleveland Browns — were treated to a show by former Golden Flashes tight end Jameson Konz.

Projected as a tight end/wide receiver in the NFL, Konz turned in a 46-inch vertical leap and a 4.38 40-yard dash among his other measurements.

Konz’ vertical leap was two inches better than what any player turned in at the recent NFL combine, while his 40 time would have ranked second among all tight ends and wide receivers.

The 6-foot-3, 234-pound Konz had 21 catches for 298 yards and a pair of touchdowns for the Golden Flashes last season as a fifth-year senior.

SouthStndJunkie
03-13-2010, 04:54 PM
Med....what do you think about Konz?

What round are you projecting him to go in?

I'm thinking after that workout, that someone make take a chance and select him in the 5th or 6th round.

oubronco
03-13-2010, 07:30 PM
Ducasse in the 2nd round would be a good value and fill a big need.

I wouldn't mind that at all

SouthStndJunkie
03-13-2010, 08:51 PM
QB Kafka amazes at Northwestern’s pro day

He may not be anywhere near the most famous or celebrated quarterbacks in this year’s draft, but Mike Kafka sure did astound the scouts from 25 teams in attendance at Northwestern’s pro day on Thursday. Among those on hand were Bengals QB coach Ken Zampese and Cardinals QB coach Chris Miller.

The senior signal caller followed up on his sensational NFL Scouting Combine performance, in which he was among the top quarterbacks in the vertical jump, broad jump, three-cone drill, and 60-yard shuttle, with a tremendous throwing session indoors on FieldTurf.

Kafka passed to his former Wildcats receivers, Zeke Markshausen and Andrew Brewer, and according to one scout, missed only one throw the entire workout.

Brewer (6-2 3/8, 217 pounds), meanwhile, also had a solid outing, running 4.60 and 4.62 seconds in the 40-yard dash, posting a 39-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot broad jump, a 4.08-second short shuttle, a 6.84-second three-cone drill and doing 15 repititions of the bench press at 225 pounds.

Two other top Northwestern prospects, Corey Wootton and Sherrick McManis, will work out March 29.

– Gil Brandt

elsid13
03-14-2010, 06:54 AM
On the Path to the Draft show, Lombardi reported that both McCoy (Denver's OC) and Little McDaniels (QB Coach) are hitting every QB workout hard.

Cito Pelon
03-14-2010, 10:20 AM
I appreciate you folks' prospect info since I don't follow college ball.

From what I've read it looks like Denver should trade down from 11.

I don't understand the love for Iupati at 11, or McClain, or Bryant. It seems obvious Denver needs LB's and it looks like good LB's will be available in the late first/early 2nd. Same goes for OG's. Hence, trade down from 11 and pick up an extra 2nd.

What they'll do at QB, I don't know.

That's my random thoughts, and again, thanks to you folks for doing the research.

Broncoman13
03-14-2010, 10:34 AM
I appreciate you folks' prospect info since I don't follow college ball.

From what I've read it looks like Denver should trade down from 11.

I don't understand the love for Iupati at 11, or McClain, or Bryant. It seems obvious Denver needs LB's and it looks like good LB's will be available in the late first/early 2nd. Same goes for OG's. Hence, trade down from 11 and pick up an extra 2nd.

What they'll do at QB, I don't know.

That's my random thoughts, and again, thanks to you folks for doing the research.


All three of those guys come with a lot of risk there at the #11 position. But, if we can't trade down... Dez Bryant is the most likely to make a huge impact in the NFL. I still hold out hope that Trent Williams is the guy at #11 but there is risk involved there as well. We would be asking him to play inside without knowing how well he can make the transition.

SouthStndJunkie
03-14-2010, 11:17 AM
On the Path to the Draft show, Lombardi reported that both McCoy (Denver's OC) and Little McDaniels (QB Coach) are hitting every QB workout hard.

I'm glad to hear that bit of information.

oubronco
03-14-2010, 12:01 PM
On the Path to the Draft show, Lombardi reported that both McCoy (Denver's OC) and Little McDaniels (QB Coach) are hitting every QB workout hard.

Very interesting

Paladin
03-14-2010, 12:18 PM
I don't think Marshall's going anywhere. So, if it were me, I'd consider Williams, Morgan or Bulaga or the best LB not named McClain they can find.....

Mediator12
03-14-2010, 12:22 PM
Med....what do you think about Konz?

What round are you projecting him to go in?

I'm thinking after that workout, that someone make take a chance and select him in the 5th or 6th round.

I have not got to the late rounders yet and I have not seen any film on Him. He looks like the type to get drafted late by someone with a creative OC. I'll let you know more when I get to the late round guys...

elsid13
03-14-2010, 12:36 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Floridas-Haden-ran-40-with-back-sprain.html

Haden—regarded by many as the top cornerback prospect in this year’s draft class—ran a disappointing 4.57 and 4.60 (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Haden-runs-slower-than-expected-Berry-shines.html) in the 40-yard-dash at the NFL combine in February, prompting many to speculate that the former Gator’s draft stock could be falling.


However, the cornerback’s father and trainer, Joe Haden Sr., says the poor times were a result of a lower back sprain the 20-year-old has been nursing, according to Ben Volin of the Palm Beach Post (http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/2010/03/09/joe-haden-sr-no-regrets-with-his-son-running-the-40-at-the-combine/)

gyldenlove
03-14-2010, 01:17 PM
On the Path to the Draft show, Lombardi reported that both McCoy (Denver's OC) and Little McDaniels (QB Coach) are hitting every QB workout hard.

Not much of a surprise given Bowlen's very direct and public edict that we will be drafting a QB.

ayjackson
03-14-2010, 01:22 PM
On the Path to the Draft show, Lombardi reported that both McCoy (Denver's OC) and Little McDaniels (QB Coach) are hitting every QB workout hard.

I'm not sure what that means. Are they getting there at 7am and tailgating until the workout starts? I'm not sure that's a good way to go about it.

mattob14
03-14-2010, 02:02 PM
I know we have mentioned him before, but Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech is being underrated in this draft.

He is recovering from a broken foot and is going to try and work out for teams in April.

He is 6'3 1/4 and 224 pounds. Supposedly, he has been timed at 4.38 in the 40.

He averaged 25.1 ypc in 2009, which is nuts.

He is projected as a 2nd round pick right now, but I don't think he will be there at our pick in the 2nd round....someone will take him at the end of the 1st round or top of the 2nd round.

If we trade B-Marsh, he would be an excellent replacement. I love his stiff arm.

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Thomas may be my favorite prospect in this year's draft. Even if Marshall stays, I think he could be the deep threat this offense is lacking. I know there are concerns about his route-running, but really, we'd just need him to stretch defenses initially and he could be a great WR in 2 or 3 years. I'd love to move down from #11, add another 2nd, and pick up Thomas at the end of round 1.

bap454
03-14-2010, 02:40 PM
Thomas may be my favorite prospect in this year's draft. Even if Marshall stays, I think he could be the deep threat this offense is lacking. I know there are concerns about his route-running, but really, we'd just need him to stretch defenses initially and he could be a great WR in 2 or 3 years. I'd love to move down from #11, add another 2nd, and pick up Thomas at the end of round 1.

I think its quite possible that hes still there in the 2nd round considering his injury. Might be a blessing in disguise.

mattob14
03-14-2010, 05:27 PM
I think its quite possible that hes still there in the 2nd round considering his injury. Might be a blessing in disguise.

I hope so, but if he is able to run at all before the draft, and clocks anything close to 4.38, he might be the first WR off the board.

elsid13
03-14-2010, 05:33 PM
I hope so, but if he is able to run at all before the draft, and clocks anything close to 4.38, he might be the first WR off the board.

I hope not. Thomas and Gronkowski are the two skills position guys I want in this draft.

Man-Goblin
03-15-2010, 02:26 PM
QB Kafka amazes at Northwesternís pro day

He may not be anywhere near the most famous or celebrated quarterbacks in this yearís draft, but Mike Kafka sure did astound the scouts from 25 teams in attendance at Northwesternís pro day on Thursday. Among those on hand were Bengals QB coach Ken Zampese and Cardinals QB coach Chris Miller.

The senior signal caller followed up on his sensational NFL Scouting Combine performance, in which he was among the top quarterbacks in the vertical jump, broad jump, three-cone drill, and 60-yard shuttle, with a tremendous throwing session indoors on FieldTurf.

Kafka passed to his former Wildcats receivers, Zeke Markshausen and Andrew Brewer, and according to one scout, missed only one throw the entire workout.

Brewer (6-2 3/8, 217 pounds), meanwhile, also had a solid outing, running 4.60 and 4.62 seconds in the 40-yard dash, posting a 39-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot broad jump, a 4.08-second short shuttle, a 6.84-second three-cone drill and doing 15 repititions of the bench press at 225 pounds.

Two other top Northwestern prospects, Corey Wootton and Sherrick McManis, will work out March 29.

Ė Gil Brandt

Maybe Kafka can morph into a good NFL quarterback.

Get it? Kafka? Morph? Metamorphasis? Kafka?

Hey now.

s0phr0syne
03-15-2010, 02:59 PM
lolz

SouthStndJunkie
03-16-2010, 07:08 AM
I've been studying the centers in this draft, as it is apparent that we need one and will be drafting one.

My choice is: J.D. Walton, C, Baylor.

6'2 5/8 and 300 pounds. Tough and nasty, bulky, stout, good pass and run blocker, a leader. Basically everything you want in a center.

My preference would be to take him in Round 3.

oubronco
03-16-2010, 11:10 AM
I've been studying the centers in this draft, as it is apparent that we need one and will be drafting one.

My choice is: J.D. Walton, C, Baylor.

6'2 5/8 and 300 pounds. Tough and nasty, bulky, stout, good pass and run blocker, a leader. Basically everything you want in a center.

My preference would be to take him in Round 3.

Walton would be great but I think Pouncey will be better

meangene
03-16-2010, 11:36 AM
Walton would be great but I think Pouncey will be better

Me too. And, if you wanna go big and nasty a little later in the draft, try Olsen from Notre Dame.

SouthStndJunkie
03-16-2010, 12:57 PM
Walton would be great but I think Pouncey will be better

Pouncey probably will be better, but if we want him, we will have to take him a lot earlier than we will J.D. Walton.

I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on a center....but I'm cool with spending a 3rd round pick on J.D. Walton.

mattob14
03-16-2010, 04:59 PM
Pouncey probably will be better, but if we want him, we will have to take him a lot earlier than we will J.D. Walton.

I don't want to spend a 1st round pick on a center....but I'm cool with spending a 3rd round pick on J.D. Walton.

I would agree with this. Everything being equal, I'd probably pick Pouncey over Walton, but the difference isn't nearly as drastic as some people make it out to be. If Denver's moving back in round 1 (the only way I see them taking Pouncey), I'd be much happier with, say, Demaryius Thomas and Walton than Pouncey and Eric Decker, for example.

s0phr0syne
03-16-2010, 05:04 PM
hah, both of those combinations sound good to me! Decker will be good methinks

But agree, would rather get the premier athlete at the "skill position"

Mediator12
03-16-2010, 05:07 PM
I think pouncey is overrated and will struggle for a couple of years coming out. Right now, he is all about the scheme and supporting cast. His technique scares me for a Center projected so high. Also, he never made line calls at Florida and he had better hope his NFL scheme does not if he plays right away.

Walton, Tennant, and Larsen all have the ability to Start in the NFL, without the high price tag Pouncey has. I would be happy to get any of them, over the investment pouncey would be.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 05:13 PM
I think pouncey is overrated and will struggle for a couple of years coming out. Right now, he is all about the scheme and supporting cast. His technique scares me for a Center projected so high. Also, he never made line calls at Florida and he had better hope his NFL scheme does not if he plays right away.

Walton, Tennant, and Larsen all have the ability to Start in the NFL, without the high price tag Pouncey has. I would be happy to get any of them, over the investment pouncey would be.

What about Jeff Byers? Do you think he would be a later round prospect that could be ready to start in 2011, if we picked up Kevin Mawae for a season?

SonOfLe-loLang
03-16-2010, 05:17 PM
Maybe Kafka can morph into a good NFL quarterback.

Get it? Kafka? Morph? Metamorphasis? Kafka?

Hey now.

I'd be more for Kafka if he pronounced his name like Franz...but he doesnt.

Mediator12
03-16-2010, 05:31 PM
What about Jeff Byers? Do you think he would be a later round prospect that could be ready to start in 2011, if we picked up Kevin Mawae for a season?

This is a really weak Center class. Byers and a few others will make some camps just by numbers and injury attrition. Outside those 4 guys though, I am not high on any of the Centers making a team, let alone challenging for Playing time. The numbers say a few will stick, but who knows which one as all the rest are getting barely draftable grades in a real weak class.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 06:04 PM
This is a really weak Center class. Byers and a few others will make some camps just by numbers and injury attrition. Outside those 4 guys though, I am not high on any of the Centers making a team, let alone challenging for Playing time. The numbers say a few will stick, but who knows which one as all the rest are getting barely draftable grades in a real weak class.

He was highly touted coming out of HS. He was the number one center in the 2004 class received a 5 star rating. That's part of the reason I think star ratings can be over valued. I think he must have peaked in HS. I know he was beat up a lot early in college too. Anyways I just wondering if he was someone that could use a extra year playing behind someone. I would rather go with Olsen, Walton, or Tennant.

gyldenlove
03-16-2010, 08:16 PM
He was highly touted coming out of HS. He was the number one center in the 2004 class received a 5 star rating. That's part of the reason I think star ratings can be over valued. I think he must have peaked in HS. I know he was beat up a lot early in college too. Anyways I just wondering if he was someone that could use a extra year playing behind someone. I would rather go with Olsen, Walton, or Tennant.

My worry with Pouncey like all Florida players is that they do not get coached in school, they are just told to work out and rely on talent. Pouncey has great physical tools like so many Florida guys, unfortunately I am worried that he also is a bit of a tool like many Floriday guys.

I would much rather have a technically strong center who understands schemes and blocking than a brute. If we were talking guards I would be less picky, but the center is the key to changing the blocking and calling out assignments.

DBroncos4life
03-16-2010, 08:26 PM
My worry with Pouncey like all Florida players is that they do not get coached in school, they are just told to work out and rely on talent. Pouncey has great physical tools like so many Florida guys, unfortunately I am worried that he also is a bit of a tool like many Floriday guys.

I would much rather have a technically strong center who understands schemes and blocking than a brute. If we were talking guards I would be less picky, but the center is the key to changing the blocking and calling out assignments.

That's why I like BC and Iowa O-line players. They seem to be very well coached.

SouthStndJunkie
03-17-2010, 03:01 PM
Aaron Hernandez commands attention in Gainesville

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/17/aaron-hernandez-commands-attention-in-gainesville/

Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2010 4:45 PM ET

Plenty of league insiders think that the best tight end prospect from the University of Florida is Tim Tebow.

Aaron Hernandez might have something to say about that.

Per a league source, Hernandez posted solid numbers at the Gators' Pro Day workout. The source says that Hernandez churned out on a "wet field" a 40-yard dash timed in the range of 4.56 seconds to 4.61 seconds. (Apparently, Hernandez wanted to run on a track but the scouts said they would adjust his time accordingly.) In contrast, Oklahoma's Jermaine Gresham ran at the Scouting Combine in the range of 4.66 to 4.73 seconds.

Also, Hernandez managed 30 reps in the 225-pound bench press. Greshan got only 20 at the Scouting Combine. Hernandez ran the three-cone drill in 6.58 seconds; Gresham did it in 7.07 seconds. Hernandez ran the short shuttle in 4.1 seconds; Gresham did it in 4.53. And Hernandez ran the 60-yard shuttle in 11.31 seconds. Gresham's time was 11.88.

Again, these are the events of the Underwear Olympics. But as tight ends go, Hernandez measures up well not only to Tebow, but also to Gresham.

SouthStndJunkie
03-17-2010, 09:58 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Arrelious-Benn-runs-a-436-at-Illinois-Pro-Day.html

Arrelious Benn runs a 4.36 at Illinois' Pro Day

Rohirrim
03-17-2010, 10:29 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Arrelious-Benn-runs-a-436-at-Illinois-Pro-Day.html

Arrelious Benn runs a 4.36 at Illinois' Pro Day

I really like Benn. I think he will be a Red Zone scoring machine.

SouthStndJunkie
03-17-2010, 10:37 PM
http://toledoblade.com/article/20100317/SPORTS03/3170374/-1/sports17

BGSU's Barnes, Sheehan impress

The 6-foot, 206-pound wide receiver reportedly ran the 40-yard dash in a time of 4.65, which didn't meet his expectations. Barnes, who has been critiqued by draft analysts for not possessing top-level speed, had hoped to run somewhere in the 4.5 range.

"Some guys clocked me around 4.6 to mid-4.6," he said. "Last week I was running better, so I'm real disappointed with that. It is what it is.

"Like I've said, I'm going to keep training and see what happens."

Barnes garnered national attention last fall after catching a NCAA record 155 passes for 1,770 yards, including 19 touchdowns. Such productivity certainly played a role in attracting scouts from 14 NFL teams, which included those from Detroit, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, and Cleveland

SouthStndJunkie
03-17-2010, 11:09 PM
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100317/SPORTS11/3170375/0/SPORTS12

University of Toledo's Church, Williams confident at pro day

Church's best unofficial time in the 40 was 4.62, which was an improvement over the 4.71 clocking he ran at last month's NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis.

I'm glad to see Barry Church run a 40 time into the low 4.6 range. Some lucky team will get a kid in the late rounds that is going to do whatever it takes to make the team.

ayjackson
03-18-2010, 09:52 AM
As of today, who's our center? Hamilton? Olsen? Hochstein?

CEH
03-18-2010, 09:56 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Arrelious-Benn-runs-a-436-at-Illinois-Pro-Day.html

Arrelious Benn runs a 4.36 at Illinois' Pro Day

Denver has a private workout scheduled with Benn

s0phr0syne
03-18-2010, 10:05 AM
Considering all the recent questions surrounding Bryant, it seems like the best WR prospects in this draft are either Benn or Thomas. Is that accurate?

When is Benn being projected to get drafted?

How would people feel about eschewing a OL prospect at 11 at taking one of the top WR prespects?

ayjackson
03-18-2010, 10:46 AM
When is Benn being projected to get drafted?

toward the end of April


How would people feel about eschewing a OL prospect at 11 at taking one of the top WR prespects?

I'd prefer to trade back and take one, if Marshall's gone.

DBroncos4life
03-18-2010, 01:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An5rP_BiEdg

Who is on board with me to draft this guy?

PRBronco
03-18-2010, 03:41 PM
Anyone know why Kevin Matthews isn't ranked higher? He tested out well at his pro day (but wasn't invited to the combine). I would just feel better with Bruce Matthews' son on my team, the kid must have game.

From Gil Brandt's blog:
"Center Kevin Matthews, who is the son of Hall of Fame offensive lineman Bruce Matthews and cousin of current Green Bay Packers linebacker Clay Matthews, took advantage of his opportunity to impress the representatives from nine NFL teams in attendance.

Matthews (6-foot-3, 298 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash ó which was run on a rubber matting placed over the FieldTurf ó in 5.32 and 5.27 seconds, had a 29-inch vertical leap, an 8-foot, 3-inch broad jump and posted times of 4.83 seconds in the short shuttle and 7.69 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also did 32 repetitions of 225 pounds in the bench press. Those 32 bench press reps would have placed Matthews tied for ninth among offensive linemen at the combine. Where Matthews really made his mark was with an exceptional performance in the position drills."

SouthStndJunkie
03-18-2010, 05:47 PM
University of Oregon running back LeGarrette Blount ran between 4.53 and 4.55 seconds in the 40-yard dash at today's campus Pro Day workout, according to a source close to the program.

He weighed in at 238 pounds and was measured at 6-foot-1.

SouthStndJunkie
03-18-2010, 05:48 PM
I think LeGarrette Blount is going to be a power load in the NFL.

If he keeps out of trouble, someone will be getting themselves a real steal.

ayjackson
03-18-2010, 05:51 PM
ran between 4.53 and 4.55 seconds .



that'd be 4.54 then

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-18-2010, 06:04 PM
Anyone know why Kevin Matthews isn't ranked higher? He tested out well at his pro day (but wasn't invited to the combine). I would just feel better with Bruce Matthews' son on my team, the kid must have game.

From Gil Brandt's blog:
"Center Kevin Matthews, who is the son of Hall of Fame offensive lineman Bruce Matthews and cousin of current Green Bay Packers linebacker Clay Matthews, took advantage of his opportunity to impress the representatives from nine NFL teams in attendance.

Matthews (6-foot-3, 298 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash ó which was run on a rubber matting placed over the FieldTurf ó in 5.32 and 5.27 seconds, had a 29-inch vertical leap, an 8-foot, 3-inch broad jump and posted times of 4.83 seconds in the short shuttle and 7.69 seconds in the three-cone drill. He also did 32 repetitions of 225 pounds in the bench press. Those 32 bench press reps would have placed Matthews tied for ninth among offensive linemen at the combine. Where Matthews really made his mark was with an exceptional performance in the position drills."


I was high on his potential entering this college season, but he largely drifted by the wayside. Still, if we miss on Pouncey/Walton/Tennant/Olsen, I'd be very intrigued and happy if we grabbed him late. I thought Matthews was a solid 4th or 5th rounder entering this year. He seems to be a 6th or 7th now.

SouthStndJunkie
03-18-2010, 06:04 PM
Spikes will be test case on importance of forty times

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/18/spikes-will-be-test-case-on-importance-of-forty-times/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 18, 2010 7:58 PM ET

We've debated the importance of the main event in the Underwear Olympics plenty around here.

The forty-yard dash has an influence on draft stock, we know. How much influence it has could be reflected in where Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes gets drafted.

Spikes was timed in the 5.0 range Wednesday at Florida's pro day. (Some scouts had him in mid 4.9's, others had him higher than 5.) That's extremely slow for an inside linebacker, even one that wasn't expected to run fast.

Spikes is known as an instinctive, tough player. He's a classic inside linebacker for 3-4 teams, and there aren't a lot out there.

Before the forty time came out, the general consensus was that Spikes was roughly an early second round pick. We've now heard he could slip as late as rounds 4-5. ESPN's Todd McShay said Thursday Spikes could still go in round two or three.

A league source says Spikes met with Mike Tomlin and the Steelers staff Tuesday, and Bill Belichick Thursday, so the 3-4 teams are interested.

How interested they are and where Spikes is taken will be a telling litmus test for how teams really view the forty.

elsid13
03-18-2010, 06:34 PM
I think LeGarrette Blount is going to be a power load in the NFL.

If he keeps out of trouble, someone will be getting themselves a real steal.

Shanahan and Turner have hard on for him. I think he going to be steal for ZBS team,.

SouthStndJunkie
03-18-2010, 08:33 PM
I'm actually warming up to the idea of the 3 day Thu/Fri/Sat draft this year.

I am sure there will be draft review shows on all day Sunday, so basically we will get 4 days of draft.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
03-19-2010, 03:06 AM
I'm actually warming up to the idea of the 3 day Thu/Fri/Sat draft this year.

I am sure there will be draft review shows on all day Sunday, so basically we will get 4 days of draft.


Yeah, I'm thrilled with the new layout. Even I would get some burnout by the times the later rounds came on. Spacing it out more, giving the talking heads more time to discuss each pick is great. Now, we might actually get some commentary when the Broncos select instead of continually passing us over with a mere mention.

Mediator12
03-19-2010, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I'm thrilled with the new layout. Even I would get some burnout by the times the later rounds came on. Spacing it out more, giving the talking heads more time to discuss each pick is great. Now, we might actually get some commentary when the Broncos select instead of continually passing us over with a mere mention.

I totally agree. I like the spacing and the ability to regroup from round one on THU.

PRBronco
03-19-2010, 02:49 PM
I totally agree. I like the spacing and the ability to regroup from round one on THU.

Sucks for anyone with a job in the pacific standard time zone though ><

gyldenlove
03-19-2010, 02:55 PM
I'm actually warming up to the idea of the 3 day Thu/Fri/Sat draft this year.

I am sure there will be draft review shows on all day Sunday, so basically we will get 4 days of draft.

It is really nice because it gives everybody much more of a chance to regroup after round 1 and then again a few rounds later. I always felt that in the old days round 3 was so boring because everybody was already recapping round 1 and nobody paid any attention. The same problem existed with round 6 and 7, people were talking about the good picks in round 4 and the surprise fallers and risers more than the picks actually going on.

This new format should also make trades a little more viable with more time to talk and wheel and deal.

SouthStndJunkie
03-19-2010, 02:57 PM
This new format should also make trades a little more viable with more time to talk and wheel and deal.

Yep....teams will have a chance to really look over their draft boards at the end of every night and field calls from other teams.

Be nice to see it lead to more trades.

ELEVATION
03-23-2010, 04:19 AM
Sucks for anyone with a job in the pacific standard time zone though ><

or those of us overseas....i literally have to be awake at 130 AM that friday morning to watch rd 1...and i go to work at 6AM

PRBronco
03-23-2010, 10:29 AM
or those of us overseas....i literally have to be awake at 130 AM that friday morning to watch rd 1...and i go to work at 6AM

Oh ouch :( Unless you just take Friday off! Then you can pull an all-dayer.

I'll have to duck out early Thursday, and luckily (????) my office is on a reduced workweek because of the recession so I get Fridays off.

SouthStndJunkie
03-23-2010, 10:31 PM
Ole Miss pro day full of talented prospects

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/

Ole Miss began the 2009 season ranked in the top 10 and harboring thoughts of a national championship. The Rebels rose as high as No. 4 in the polls, before everything came crashing down with a 16-10 loss to South Carolina in their third game.

Despite a somewhat disappointing year in which Ole Miss finished 9-4 and ranked outside the top 15 in both polls, there are still several talented Rebels from that team generating interest in this year’s draft class.

They were on display at Mississippi’s pro day on Tuesday. All 32 teams had representatives in attendance to watch a total of 22 players work out indoors on FieldTurf.

Here are the most noteworthy prospects:

DE Greg Hardy (6-foot-4, 277 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.80 and 4.79 seconds, had a 35-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot broad jump, a 4.64-second short shuttle, a 7.13-second three-cone drill and did position drills. Hardy is still working his way back from the wrist injury that ended his 2009 season in November, and did not bench press for that reason.

QB Jevan Snead (6-3, 223) stood on all of his numbers from the NFL Scouting Combine and just did passing drills. Former NFL QB Jerry Rhome ran the drills and told me that Snead missed on only two of his 42 attempts.

OT John Jerry (6-5, 335) did 31 bench press repetitions at 225 pounds and did position drills.

RB Dexter McCluster (5-8 1/2, 170) ran 4.44 and 4.45 in the 40 and had a 6.73 three-cone drill.

WR Shay Hodge (6-1 1/2, 214) ran 4.55 and 4.58 in the 40, had a 33-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot, 10-inch broad jump.

S Kendrick Lewis (5-11 5/8, 194) ran 4.65 and 4.69 in the 40, had a 30 1/2-inch vertical jump and a 4.48 short.

CB Marshay Green (5-8 3/4, 175) ran 4.52 and 4.59 in the 40, had a 36-inch vertical jump, a 10-3 broad jump, a 4.76 short shuttle, a 6.80 three-cone drill and 13 bench press reps.

RB Cordera Eason (5-11 1/2, 226) ran 4.56 and 4.49 in the 40, had a 32-inch vertical jump, a 10-8 broad jump, a 4.55 short shuttle, a 7.32 three-cone drill and 21 bench press reps.

Mississippi college QB Adam Shaffer (6-0 7/8, 223) was one of 11 prospects from smaller schools to work out and has the most promise. He ran the 40 in 4.95 and 4.96, had a 30 1/2-inch vertical jump, a 9-2 broad jump, a 4.65 short shuttle, a 7.85 three-cone drill and did not lift. He throws the ball well.

– Gil Brandt

Baba Booey
03-23-2010, 10:57 PM
Denver Post Article on Jimmy Graham, a guy that as a Canes fan I'd love to see us pick up in the third round or so:
ORLANDO, FLA. — The draft is a spectacular process, in part because of what happens to some of the people in it.
A year ago, for example, Jimmy Graham was a basketball player at the University of Miami who had used up his eligibility on the hardwood but still had a scholarship season to do something with since he had played for the Hurricanes' hoops team as a true freshman.

So, Graham, at 6-feet-6-1/4, 260 pounds, played one year at tight end for Miami's football team. He finished with 17 catches and five receiving touchdowns this past season.

Those numbers, with some guys, wouldn't really draw even a second look. But for teams who like their tight ends big — as the Broncos do — Graham is getting a lot of study because of all he brings. This is a player with enough athleticism to be one of just five players in Hurricanes history to finish his hoops career with at least 100 blocked shots. Against North Carolina during the 2008-09 season, he had 15 rebounds and five blocked shots. That's not a guy who's shy in traffic, and he has the kind of hand-eye coordination and ball skills that could translate to an effective player in the scoring zone for a football team willing to help him learn on the job.

He's smart — he's already earned a degree in a double major (marketing and management) — and had a 38-1/2-inch vertical jump at the scouting combine and ran a 4.57 (hand-timed) 40-yard dash.

That's matchup potential, because there isn't a safety or linebacker in the league who would be all that excited about running down the hash against a 6-6 player who runs well.
And, more important, Graham wants to play football. He turned down what he described as a "six-figure" contract to play basketball in Europe to give football a chance this past season with the Hurricanes despite the fact the last time he had played the game was as a high school freshman.

Leading up to the scouting combine, he worked with Florida quarterback Tim Tebow and some other high-profile draft prospects at a training facility in Nashville, Tenn., and earned some rave reviews.
And in a league that has seen Antonio Gates (who didn't play college football) and Tony Gonzalez (a two-sport star at Cal) catch so many passes for so many yards as NFL tight ends, Graham looks to have the best crossover potential in quite some time.

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14733442#ixzz0j4CqugSJ

PRBronco
03-26-2010, 03:06 PM
Random Draft Thoughts/Rumors/Tidbits/Rants...PREMONITIONS? That's right, I had a draft dream last night that needs to be written down so if it comes true I have internet proof when I try to sell my services to ESPN.

So last night I woke up at 3am and realized I had been dreaming about the draft. In my dream I had somehow missed the first round and was scanning a list of who went where, and I get to #11 and see that it was traded to the 49ers (I didn't get all the details) and we moved back to the #17 slot where we took Sergio Kindle. And that was it, I woke up and thought, "eww Sergio Kindle". I guess it's not out of the question to draft an OLB, considering Elvis' backup right now is Jarvis.

Anyways, if we make a trade with the 9ers when the draft rolls around, I might freak out.

SouthStndJunkie
03-26-2010, 04:43 PM
Kyle Wilson solidifies stock with pro day

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/kyle-wilson-solidifies-stock-with-pro-day/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 26, 2010 5:21 PM ET

We haven't heard a lot from Boise St. cornerback Kyle Wilson since his cover skills and his RV took the Senior Bowl by storm back in January.

Wilson did not run at the Scouting Combine, but he's been called the second best cornerback on many draft rankings. Some teams may prefer him over Florida's Joe Haden.

On Friday, Wilson affixed the corner piece to his draft puzzle. He ran a 4.4 7and 4.43 in the forty, according to NFL's Gil Brandt. His other numbers were also excellent, including a 38-inch vertical jump and 10-foot, 2-inch broad jump.

We'd be very surprised at this point if Wilson made it out of the first round.

SouthStndJunkie
03-29-2010, 06:46 AM
C.J. Spiller could be climbing the ladder

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/29/cj-spiller-could-be-climbing-the-ladder/

Posted by Mike Florio on March 29, 2010 7:31 AM ET

There's a sense in some league circles that only a truly special running back is worthy of a top-ten draft pick.

If so, it means that some regard Clemson's C.J. Spiller as a truly special running back.

We're hearing talk of teams possibly trying to invade the lower reaches of the top 10 in order to get a crack at Spiller, with rumors currently focusing on the Dolphins and the Giants.

The Dolphins currently hold the No. 12 pick; the Giants are at 15.

Since 2006, only three running backs have been chosen among the first 10 selections: Darren McFadden, No. 4 in 2008, Adrian Peterson, No. 7 in 2007, and Reggie Bush, No. 2 in 2006. In 2005, three running back were taken in the top five.

That year, the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown with the second overall pick. If the rumors are true, they could be looking to supplant Brown with Spiller.

SouthStndJunkie
03-29-2010, 12:33 PM
Bradford’s workout 'near flawless'

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/29/bradfords-workout-near-flawless/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

NORMAN, Okla. — Sam Bradford just finished his workout, and let me tell you, it was near flawless. I’m not saying he solidified his spot at the top of the draft, but he sure didn’t hurt himself. It was one of the best individual workouts I’ve seen in a long time. A real Picasso.

I’m getting the numbers together now and will get them to you shortly.

– Gil Brandt

bap454
03-29-2010, 01:08 PM
Bradfordís workout 'near flawless'

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/29/bradfords-workout-near-flawless/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

NORMAN, Okla. ó Sam Bradford just finished his workout, and let me tell you, it was near flawless. Iím not saying he solidified his spot at the top of the draft, but he sure didnít hurt himself. It was one of the best individual workouts Iíve seen in a long time. A real Picasso.

Iím getting the numbers together now and will get them to you shortly.

Ė Gil Brandt

You might as well bank on Bradford as a Ram.

underrated29
03-29-2010, 01:22 PM
My problem with the new draft schedule is the days they fall on. The 3 day slots is fine and might be cool....But I like the draft to get together with my friends and drink and bbq and make nachos, wings and ****t.

Being on a thursday night, having to go to work the next morning---screws that all up. Esp for the first rd.


It should start on friday or saturday. That way we can play our draft day drinking games and what not and not have to worry about driving home or getting up early for work.

Tombstone RJ
03-29-2010, 01:26 PM
Spikes will be test case on importance of forty times

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/18/spikes-will-be-test-case-on-importance-of-forty-times/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 18, 2010 7:58 PM ET

We've debated the importance of the main event in the Underwear Olympics plenty around here.

The forty-yard dash has an influence on draft stock, we know. How much influence it has could be reflected in where Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes gets drafted.

Spikes was timed in the 5.0 range Wednesday at Florida's pro day. (Some scouts had him in mid 4.9's, others had him higher than 5.) That's extremely slow for an inside linebacker, even one that wasn't expected to run fast.

Spikes is known as an instinctive, tough player. He's a classic inside linebacker for 3-4 teams, and there aren't a lot out there.

Before the forty time came out, the general consensus was that Spikes was roughly an early second round pick. We've now heard he could slip as late as rounds 4-5. ESPN's Todd McShay said Thursday Spikes could still go in round two or three.

A league source says Spikes met with Mike Tomlin and the Steelers staff Tuesday, and Bill Belichick Thursday, so the 3-4 teams are interested.

How interested they are and where Spikes is taken will be a telling litmus test for how teams really view the forty.

I'd love it if he fell to the Broncos in the 3rd round... if teams are really interested in how well he can fit their system they just have to watch the game tape. If he's too slow, the tape will show that. If he's out of position and he can't adjust in time because he's too slow, then that is a huge red flag. However, if he's always in position to make a play due more to his instincts than to his athletic ability, then that is a great sign.

This is where the great teams find their players--right now his lack of 40 speed and his great instincts as a MLB is a player who's value is in flux.

s0phr0syne
03-29-2010, 01:34 PM
Does Spikes also have some off the field character problems? Or am I making that up?

Broncoman13
03-29-2010, 02:24 PM
I'd love it if he fell to the Broncos in the 3rd round... if teams are really interested in how well he can fit their system they just have to watch the game tape. If he's too slow, the tape will show that. If he's out of position and he can't adjust in time because he's too slow, then that is a huge red flag. However, if he's always in position to make a play due more to his instincts than to his athletic ability, then that is a great sign.

This is where the great teams find their players--right now his lack of 40 speed and his great instincts as a MLB is a player who's value is in flux.


Exactly the same things they said about Terry Pierce!!!

Mediator12
03-29-2010, 02:30 PM
Exactly the same things they said about Terry Pierce!!!

Very interested why Pierce never got picked up by a 3-4 team. That was his only skillset for the most part. I have heard that several teams will be more than happy to have Spikes as a 2 down 3-4 ILB. Yes, he is very limited, but what he can do he does well.

Requiem
03-29-2010, 02:34 PM
Med, with the Broncos getting rid of Davis -- how would you feel if we pursued Spikes and got him with say. . . our third rounder?

Broncoman13
03-29-2010, 02:36 PM
He would love it... as would I ;D

Mediator12
03-29-2010, 02:48 PM
Med, with the Broncos getting rid of Davis -- how would you feel if we pursued Spikes and got him with say. . . our third rounder?

Mid fourth value for me. Mid third is a little high on the opportunity cost for Spikes IMHO, there are much better overall players available in that area....

SouthStndJunkie
03-29-2010, 03:01 PM
My problem with the new draft schedule is the days they fall on. The 3 day slots is fine and might be cool....But I like the draft to get together with my friends and drink and bbq and make nachos, wings and ****t.

Being on a thursday night, having to go to work the next morning---screws that all up. Esp for the first rd.


It should start on friday or saturday. That way we can play our draft day drinking games and what not and not have to worry about driving home or getting up early for work.

I took the days of the draft off work....let the fun begin.

ayjackson
03-29-2010, 10:33 PM
I took the days of the draft off work....let the fun begin.

for the second straight year I'm travelling. at the mercy of my hotel's satellite package, my airplane's in-flight tv capability and available mobile web coverage.

SouthStndJunkie
03-30-2010, 12:37 PM
Bryant posts expected 40 times during private workout

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/30/bryant-posts-expected-40-times-during-private-workout/

Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant is still going through position drills at his private workout for NFL teams, but I do have his 40-yard dash times to pass along.

Bryant began the workouts Tuesday in his hometown of Lufkin, Texas, with the 40, posting times of 4.52, 4.68 and 4.52. He was asked to run the third time due to the discrepancy between the first two times, the second of which was into the wind.

Early during his position drills, Bryant did drop some passes, but he looked much better after getting into the flow of the drills with former Oklahoma State QB Bobby Reid.

The notable NFL coaches and executives in attendance today include Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, coach Mike Singletary and director of player personnel Trent Baalke of the 49ers, Packers coach Mike McCarthy and director of college scouting John Dorsey, Ravens wide receivers coach Jim Hostler, Bucs wide receivers coach Eric Yarber and Raiders scout Cliff Branch.

– Gil Brandt

UPDATE: A few more Bryant numbers to pass along. He measured in at 6-foot-1 1/2 and 224 pounds, and he had a 38-inch vertical, an 11-foot-1 broad jump, 4.48-second short shuttle and 7.21-second three-cone drill. Due to the hand-held times at workouts, you’ll see 40-yard dash times between 4.49 and 4.60 for Bryant.

gyldenlove
03-30-2010, 12:44 PM
Bryant posts expected 40 times during private workout

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/30/bryant-posts-expected-40-times-during-private-workout/

Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant is still going through position drills at his private workout for NFL teams, but I do have his 40-yard dash times to pass along.

Bryant began the workouts Tuesday in his hometown of Lufkin, Texas, with the 40, posting times of 4.52, 4.68 and 4.52. He was asked to run the third time due to the discrepancy between the first two times, the second of which was into the wind.

Early during his position drills, Bryant did drop some passes, but he looked much better after getting into the flow of the drills with former Oklahoma State QB Bobby Reid.

The notable NFL coaches and executives in attendance today include Seahawks coach Pete Carroll, coach Mike Singletary and director of player personnel Trent Baalke of the 49ers, Packers coach Mike McCarthy and director of college scouting John Dorsey, Ravens wide receivers coach Jim Hostler, Bucs wide receivers coach Eric Yarber and Raiders scout Cliff Branch.

Ė Gil Brandt

UPDATE: A few more Bryant numbers to pass along. He measured in at 6-foot-1 1/2 and 224 pounds, and he had a 38-inch vertical, an 11-foot-1 broad jump, 4.48-second short shuttle and 7.21-second three-cone drill. Due to the hand-held times at workouts, youíll see 40-yard dash times between 4.49 and 4.60 for Bryant.

Apparently 20 teams were present, I want to know if we were in or out.

Cool Breeze
03-30-2010, 01:50 PM
Dez Bryant does little to impress scouts at private workout

http://i.sportingnews.com/sportingnews/editor/photo/rlande.gif
Russ Lande


Tuesday, Mar. 30, 2010


Oklahoma State wide <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_0_0>receiverhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) Dez Bryant hasn't played competitive football since Sept. 19 and sure looked like it Tuesday in a workout for NFL scouts, coaches and general managers.
Packers coach Mike McCarthy, 49ers coach Mike Singletary and Seahawks coach Pete Carroll were among the <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_1_0>NFLhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) personnel people who made the trip to Lufkin, Texas, for an up-close viewing of Bryant's first public workout since being suspended by the NCAA last season.
Bryant showed flashes of greatness but certainly didn't "wow" anyone Tuesday.
He ran sharp routes, just like he did on game film, and did a good job of catching passes in most drills. He did struggle on routes with his back to the <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_3_0>quarterbackhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#), where he had to turn quickly and catch passes just as he made his break.
In Combine-like drills, he did show explosive athleticism. He recorded an 11-foot, 1-inch broad jump and a 38-inch vertical jump.

Bryant, however, showed only average speed. He ran the 40-yard dash with a slight breeze in the mid 4.5-second range and then against the wind in mid 4.6-second range. Scouts said the huge variance in times had more to with Bryant's choppy and inconsistent starts than any wind.
More concerning is the fact Bryant seemed unprepared to properly run the short shuttle, long shuttle and 3-cone drills. He had to re-run several of the drills and never once ran hard to the finish, frustrating all in attendance. His hip movements looked tight, and he struggled to change directions quickly. He also quit the 225-pound bench press after 14 reps, even though he obviously could've done more.
Overall, Bryant's disappointing day likely will lead to him falling on a number of team's draft boards because personnel men now must question his work ethic. He had six months to prepare for this workout and still failed to shine.
Bryant once could've been the first receiver drafted. His only hope now to regain some lost draft stock is in private workouts for teams, hoping he can make that one team forget this disappointing performance.

Here is another source:
Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant reportedly forgot his cleats for Tuesday's workout, causing his numbers to drop while wearing shoes that hadn't been broken in.

NFL Network's Mike Mayock pointed out during the workout that Bryant was slipping during his forty-yard dash. If the reports of a 4.32 forty during training last week are to be believed, Bryant would have run faster Tuesday if not for the slipping. Bryant posted highly impressive numbers in the vertical (38 inches) and broad jump (11'1"), but he didn't finish the short shuttle or the three-cone drill.
LOL

gyldenlove
03-30-2010, 02:21 PM
Dez Bryant does little to impress scouts at private workout

http://i.sportingnews.com/sportingnews/editor/photo/rlande.gif
Russ Lande


Tuesday, Mar. 30, 2010


Oklahoma State wide <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_0_0>receiverhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) Dez Bryant hasn't played competitive football since Sept. 19 and sure looked like it Tuesday in a workout for NFL scouts, coaches and general managers.
Packers coach Mike McCarthy, 49ers coach Mike Singletary and Seahawks coach Pete Carroll were among the <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_1_0>NFLhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) personnel people who made the trip to Lufkin, Texas, for an up-close viewing of Bryant's first public workout since being suspended by the NCAA last season.
Bryant showed flashes of greatness but certainly didn't "wow" anyone Tuesday.
He ran sharp routes, just like he did on game film, and did a good job of catching passes in most drills. He did struggle on routes with his back to the <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_3_0>quarterbackhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#), where he had to turn quickly and catch passes just as he made his break.
In Combine-like drills, he did show explosive athleticism. He recorded an 11-foot, 1-inch broad jump and a 38-inch vertical jump.

Bryant, however, showed only average speed. He ran the 40-yard dash with a slight breeze in the mid 4.5-second range and then against the wind in mid 4.6-second range. Scouts said the huge variance in times had more to with Bryant's choppy and inconsistent starts than any wind.
More concerning is the fact Bryant seemed unprepared to properly run the short shuttle, long shuttle and 3-cone drills. He had to re-run several of the drills and never once ran hard to the finish, frustrating all in attendance. His hip movements looked tight, and he struggled to change directions quickly. He also quit the 225-pound bench press after 14 reps, even though he obviously could've done more.
Overall, Bryant's disappointing day likely will lead to him falling on a number of team's draft boards because personnel men now must question his work ethic. He had six months to prepare for this workout and still failed to shine.
Bryant once could've been the first receiver drafted. His only hope now to regain some lost draft stock is in private workouts for teams, hoping he can make that one team forget this disappointing performance.

Here is another source:
Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant reportedly forgot his cleats for Tuesday's workout, causing his numbers to drop while wearing shoes that hadn't been broken in.

NFL Network's Mike Mayock pointed out during the workout that Bryant was slipping during his forty-yard dash. If the reports of a 4.32 forty during training last week are to be believed, Bryant would have run faster Tuesday if not for the slipping. Bryant posted highly impressive numbers in the vertical (38 inches) and broad jump (11'1"), but he didn't finish the short shuttle or the three-cone drill.
LOL

He just doesn't get it, he didn't get it when he lied to the NCAA and he doesn't get it now. This guy can be a monster if someone shakes him up and gets his head on straight, but as long as he halfasses things like this he is going to be a washout.

Rohirrim
03-30-2010, 02:39 PM
One word for Bryant - Lackadaisical. No thanks.

bronco militia
03-30-2010, 02:43 PM
Dez Bryant forgot his cleats
Posted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2010 3:01 PM ET
As it turns out, Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant showed up on time for his Pro Day workout.

His cleats, however, didn't make the trip.

We're told that Bryant forgot to bring his cleats, and that as a result he had to wear a pair of brand-new shoes, which had not properly been broken in.

As a result, Bryant was slipping, as NFLN's Mike Mayock pointed out when discussing the workout on the air.

Per a league source, at least one team measured Bryant's times in the 40-yard dash at 4.57 and 4.62 seconds, within the 4.52 to 4.68 range reported by NFL.com. He presumably would have run faster, but for the slipping.

NFLBRONCO
03-30-2010, 02:46 PM
He is trying to sell himself and he forgets his shoes. High functioning brain I see.

meangene
03-30-2010, 02:47 PM
This confirms all the negative reports about his off-field character. Wow! Compare that to Bradford's workout coming off of major shoulder surgery. I'm guessing he cost himself a lot of money today. Good thing is this could cause a bit of a domino effect pushing the receivers down a bit if we need to replace Marshall. Maybe a guy like Tate goes in the second now?

bronco militia
03-30-2010, 02:47 PM
He is trying to sell himself and he forgets his shoes. High functioning brain I see.

the perfect replacement for BM :giggle:

Rohirrim
03-30-2010, 02:48 PM
Dez Bryant forgot his cleats
Posted by Mike Florio on March 30, 2010 3:01 PM ET
As it turns out, Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant showed up on time for his Pro Day workout.

His cleats, however, didn't make the trip.

We're told that Bryant forgot to bring his cleats, and that as a result he had to wear a pair of brand-new shoes, which had not properly been broken in.

As a result, Bryant was slipping, as NFLN's Mike Mayock pointed out when discussing the workout on the air.

Per a league source, at least one team measured Bryant's times in the 40-yard dash at 4.57 and 4.62 seconds, within the 4.52 to 4.68 range reported by NFL.com. He presumably would have run faster, but for the slipping.

I'm guessing this would have been the most important day in Dez' life up to then. This workout could decide his future and could be worth millions of dollars to him. And he forgets his cleats? That is one big giant WTF?

meangene
03-30-2010, 02:50 PM
I'm guessing this would have been the most important day in Dez' life up to then. This workout could decide his future and could be worth millions of dollars to him. And he forgets his cleats? That is one big giant WTF?

And how does it justify his lack of effort in the drills? What a tool!

meangene
03-30-2010, 02:51 PM
the perfect replacement for BM :giggle:

Baby BM! ;D

Cool Breeze
03-30-2010, 03:04 PM
<LI id=status_11316777203 class="hentry u-Adam_Schefter status" done25="17" done24="17" done23="17" done21="17" done19="17" done8="17" done5="17">Apparently Brandon Marshall isn't the only WR on the Seahawks radar. Seattle HC Pete Carroll spent Tuesday at Dez Bryant's Pro Day.
This bodes well for a trade with Seattle...

DBroncos4life
03-30-2010, 03:32 PM
Does Spikes also have some off the field character problems? Or am I making that up?

Spikes tried to blind a guy once. It was pretty sick thing to watch. I think you are thinking about Carlos Dunlap and his DUI.

Durango
03-30-2010, 03:36 PM
I guess the Broncos could select the best possible athlete at the 11th pick and that pick could be Dez Bryant, but, given all the baggage this guy carries around, does anyone really believe McDaniels is going to draft into a Brandon Marshall sequel? I just don't see it at all, but then, I've had a hard time figuring out what this coach has been trying to do since he got here, so what's new?

s0phr0syne
03-30-2010, 03:50 PM
Mmmmmm, this could be a good thread to bookmark for crow time later.

Everyone (myself included) had plenty of crow to eat last year once Crabtree actually started playing. Wouldn't surprise me if it happens again...

SouthStndJunkie
03-31-2010, 07:56 AM
Wednesday’s pro day workouts:

1. Pennsylvania
2. South Carolina
3. South Carolina State
4. USC
5. Texas

Rohirrim
03-31-2010, 08:35 AM
I guess the Broncos could select the best possible athlete at the 11th pick and that pick could be Dez Bryant, but, given all the baggage this guy carries around, does anyone really believe McDaniels is going to draft into a Brandon Marshall sequel? I just don't see it at all, but then, I've had a hard time figuring out what this coach has been trying to do since he got here, so what's new?

Maybe we can judge by what McD has done this FA? He said he wanted to beef up the lines and went right out and got a huge NT and two DEs. He cut Weigmann and brought in a few big centers for interviews. He resigned Hochstein. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the short list in the first round consisted of Bulaga, Iupati and Dan Williams (how long can Jamal last?). I think we're going BIG. ;D

SouthStndJunkie
03-31-2010, 01:05 PM
Large turnout in Austin for Texas Pro Day

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/31/large-turnout-in-austin-for-texas-pro-day/

AUSTIN, Texas — Texas Pro Day is as big as ever, as 79 scouts and coaches representing 30 teams (the Rams and Lions are the only two not represented), including three head coaches, have come together to watch QB Colt McCoy and 18 other draft prospects.

McCoy is sure to be the biggest attraction here today. He didn’t weigh in with the rest of his teammates, choosing to keep his measurements from the combine, I’m told he’ll be running drills and working starting around 1 p.m. ET. Check back shortly for an update.

Coach Mack Brown kicked things off with a big breakfast for all the scouts and coaches, as well as a 20-minute slide presentation on the history of all the players who have suited up for the Longhorns throughout the years.

Things are sure to pick up here soon. Until then, here’s a list of some of the 19 prospects who will be working out and the 40-yard dash times just completed indoors on FieldTurf:

CB Deon Beasley (5-foot-9 5/8, 180 pounds) ran 4.47 and 4.46 in the 40-yard dash.

DT Lamarr Houston (6-2 7/8, 300) will keep his 40 times from the combine.

LB Sergio Kindle (6-2 7/8, 249) will keep his 40 times from the combine.

WR Jordan Shipley (5-11 1/2, 187) ran 4.54 and 4.56 in the 40.

G Charlie Tanner (6-3 7/8, 305) ran 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40.

S Earl Thomas (5-10 5/8, 202) is leaving school after his sophomore year, but coach Brown explained that Thomas is leaving early because his home in Orange, Texas, was devastated by Hurricane Rita in 2005, forcing his family to live in a hotel for a year. He ran one 40 in 4.37 seconds.

T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40.

LB Roddrick Muckelroy (6-1 5/8, 234) ran 4.73 and 4.75 in the 40.

– Gil Brandt

Mediator12
03-31-2010, 02:20 PM
Large turnout in Austin for Texas Pro Day

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/31/large-turnout-in-austin-for-texas-pro-day/

AUSTIN, Texas ó Texas Pro Day is as big as ever, as 79 scouts and coaches representing 30 teams (the Rams and Lions are the only two not represented), including three head coaches, have come together to watch QB Colt McCoy and 18 other draft prospects.

McCoy is sure to be the biggest attraction here today. He didnít weigh in with the rest of his teammates, choosing to keep his measurements from the combine, Iím told heíll be running drills and working starting around 1 p.m. ET. Check back shortly for an update.

Coach Mack Brown kicked things off with a big breakfast for all the scouts and coaches, as well as a 20-minute slide presentation on the history of all the players who have suited up for the Longhorns throughout the years.

Things are sure to pick up here soon. Until then, hereís a list of some of the 19 prospects who will be working out and the 40-yard dash times just completed indoors on FieldTurf:

CB Deon Beasley (5-foot-9 5/8, 180 pounds) ran 4.47 and 4.46 in the 40-yard dash.

DT Lamarr Houston (6-2 7/8, 300) will keep his 40 times from the combine.

LB Sergio Kindle (6-2 7/8, 249) will keep his 40 times from the combine.

WR Jordan Shipley (5-11 1/2, 187) ran 4.54 and 4.56 in the 40.

G Charlie Tanner (6-3 7/8, 305) ran 5.20 and 5.12 in the 40.

S Earl Thomas (5-10 5/8, 202) is leaving school after his sophomore year, but coach Brown explained that Thomas is leaving early because his home in Orange, Texas, was devastated by Hurricane Rita in 2005, forcing his family to live in a hotel for a year. He ran one 40 in 4.37 seconds.

T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40.

LB Roddrick Muckelroy (6-1 5/8, 234) ran 4.73 and 4.75 in the 40.

Ė Gil Brandt

Wait a minute, T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40.

A freaking OT did NOT run 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40! That has to be a misprint.

gyldenlove
03-31-2010, 02:46 PM
I was hoping Kindle would do a full workout.

Mediator12
03-31-2010, 02:54 PM
I was hoping Kindle would do a full workout.

Kindle has all kinds of athletic ability, it is just if he knows how to apply it that scares me the most. Not only is there something in the water in Gainesville, there is something terribly wrong in Austin ROFL!

s0phr0syne
03-31-2010, 03:12 PM
It just sucks that somehow Orakpo bucked the trend last year. I wonder how much of Orakpo's success artificially boosts Kindle's stock this year?

underrated29
03-31-2010, 03:31 PM
Wait a minute, T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40.

A freaking OT did NOT run 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40! That has to be a misprint.



They must have meant 5.58 and 5.56. At 6'6 the wind resistance alone makes it impossible for him to move that fast.





How much of Orakpos success came as a result of having STELLAR players next to him eating up double teams and such?????

elsid13
03-31-2010, 03:34 PM
It just sucks that somehow Orakpo bucked the trend last year. I wonder how much of Orakpo's success artificially boosts Kindle's stock this year?

Maybe it a trend that the coaching staff is finally starting to develop the talent they have there.

PRBronco
03-31-2010, 03:39 PM
Wait a minute, T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40.

A freaking OT did NOT run 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40! That has to be a misprint.

Didn't George Foster put up times like that? I bet Shanny's got his eye on this guy :D

PRBronco
03-31-2010, 03:40 PM
How much of Orakpos success came as a result of having STELLAR players next to him eating up double teams and such?????

Exactly, I don't write off rookies as busts after a quiet first season, and I'm not going to proclaim Orakpo the second coming of LT after a solid first season. Andre Carter and Fat Albert command a lot of respect.

elsid13
03-31-2010, 03:42 PM
Exactly, I don't write off rookies as busts after a quiet first season, and I'm not going to proclaim Orakpo the second coming of LT after a solid first season. Andre Carter and Fat Albert command a lot of respect.

I see a lot the skins games, and Orakpo success wasn't because who he was on the field with. The skins looked like got good pick.

yerner
03-31-2010, 06:23 PM
Wow. Earl Thomas 4.37? That dude is going to be a pro bowler.

meangene
03-31-2010, 07:04 PM
Wow. Earl Thomas 4.37? That dude is going to be a pro bowler.

He could well be working his way into a top 10 pick.

Broncoman13
03-31-2010, 07:22 PM
There are a bunch of "experts" that rate Earl Thomas ahead of Eric Berry. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he were our pick. Very physical and some believe he can play CB as well as FS. If a team believes he can play CB he could very well go in the top 12.

s0phr0syne
03-31-2010, 07:31 PM
Wow. Earl Thomas 4.37? That dude is going to be a pro bowler.


I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic/clever.

ward63
03-31-2010, 07:58 PM
Earl Thomas to the Raiders...

yerner
03-31-2010, 09:27 PM
I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic/clever.

No. I've been watching highlights and that dude is a playmaker. He didn't run at the combine, or he did and it wasnt great because of a hamstring, but that time is awesome for the production they've been showing on tv.

I'm starting to think that he might jump top 15.

SouthStndJunkie
03-31-2010, 09:27 PM
Wait a minute, T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40.

A freaking OT did NOT run 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40! That has to be a misprint.

I missed that when I posted it.

NFL.com has now changed this to:

T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 5.58 and 5.56 in the 40.

yerner
03-31-2010, 09:28 PM
He reminds of Ed Reed. Just having a cover safety like that would totally upgrade the defense.

s0phr0syne
04-04-2010, 09:19 AM
Anyone have any good info on Quentin Scott from Northern Iowa?

Just read gil brandt's blog blurb about him, sounds interesting as a prospect...late round or UDFA type dude...

Free safety Quentin Scott impressed scouts from eight teams at Northern Iowa’s pro day on March 31st. Scott (6-3 7/8, 224) worked out as both a defensive back and a wide receiver and put together a really good workout. He ran a 4.40-second and 4.45-second 40-yard dash, had a 35-inch vertical leap, 10-1 broad jump, 4.18-second short shuttle, 6.88-second three-cone drill and completed 13 bench press repetitions at 225 pounds. His arms were measured at 34 5/8 inches.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/03/great-scott-northern-iowa-prospect-makes-impression/

Br0nc0Buster
04-04-2010, 10:48 AM
Earl's size concerns me
Had we not taken McBath last year though I think we would be all over Thomas this year

bap454
04-06-2010, 01:43 AM
Interesting read :


http://football.realgm.com/src_twelf...scout_part_ii/

Interview With The Scout, Part II

The draft is just three weeks away, which means draft boards are being finalized. Individual team visits and pro days are nearing their conclusions, and agents are actively pushing the stock of their clients (note to one particular agent: stop spamming me with press releases!).

I conducted another interview with a current NFL scout, but we got sort of waylaid by interlopers and other responsibilities. This is shorter than I wanted but still provides some valuable insight.

Jeff Risdon: After his strong pro day, itís a given that Sam Bradford will be taken #1 overall. Iím not sold at all on Bradford and I wonder what your opinion of him going #1 overall might be?

Scout: Weíre damn glad it isnít us picking there. Look, Sam Bradford might wind up being a hell of a quarterback, but I wouldnít touch him at #1. The last two times he got hit, his shoulder got hurt. He doesnít do us any good if he canít stay on the field. Thatís why they need a QB in the first place, because Marc Bulger couldnít take the hits anymore.

JR: How much stock does your team place in health concerns?

Scout: Itís a big deal. ...we look at how the injuries happened. If a kid gets caught in a horse collar and breaks his ankle, thatís one thing. But to go back to Bradford, he got hurt on hits that most guys just shake off. Big Ben (Roethlisberger) gets hit like that 20 times a week. So thatís a real big deal with him.

JR: Keeping on that injury theme, Jahvid Best suffered a nasty concussion last year. Are concussions viewed differently than a shoulder or a knee?

Scout: You know what, we spend so much to make sure these kids with the concussions are clear now. I donít know for sure but I bet we check out (head injuries) harder than we do anything else these days. We had a doctor come in and give us a little presentation about concussions and how they can come back, stuff like that. We are more comfortable than we used to be there. Best has passed every test so weíre not that worried about him.

JR: Aside from Tim Tebow, the player I get asked more about than any other is Jimmy Clausen. I know youíve scouted him extensively.

Scout: Yeah I have. Iíve seen every snap he took and a lot of them more than a few times. The thing about him is that kid just loves football and itís his whole life. All these people talk about him being this or being that, and they sure as hell havenít ever spent time with him. Because that kid is all about making himself the best NFL quarterback, and heís got the physical ability to do it.

JR: But will he be successful?

Scout: I really think so. Look, heís got some warts. That kid was a world class prick when he got there, but he figured it out and grew up. You could really see it over the last year. They ran an NFL offense and (Clausen) made reads and drops that none of the other guys have even thought about. He just anticipates routes so well. Now would I like to see him gun it a little harder sometimes, yeah, sure. But for my money this kid is the surest bet in this draft (at QB).

JR: Weíve talked about this before, but Iím not nearly as high on the offensive tackle crop this year as most people. How do you feel about it?

Scout: You know, I think some of the kids that people arenít looking at as high are gonna be real good. That kid from Indiana (Rodger Saffold), that kid can flat out play. If he came from Oklahoma or Florida heíd be a top 10 pick, no question in my mind. I like (Charles) Brown out of USC more the more I see him. A lot of Brick (DíBrickashaw Ferguson) in that kid but he might be a little tougher. ...I know you really like Kyle Calloway. On the right side heíll be fine but he ainít no zone guy. Even that kid from Abilene (Christian, Tony Washington), he has everything you can want. Love his feet. Heís got some issues but for my money heís better than that Bruce Campbell kid.

JR: What about the guys at the top that I find overrated? Bryan Bulaga, Trent Williams, even Russell Okung to some extent.

Scout: Well Jeff, I think youíre wrong about Okung there. Heís a top-five pick and he belongs there. That kid is mentally tough and I think thatís a factor that not enough people consider for tackles. You have to be mentally tough to accept getting beat, because everyone gets beat. That was what was wrong with Tony Ugoh. He couldnít get past his own mistakes. Look at Jacksonville last year. The Monroe kid (Eugene Monroe) they took first has the same problem and we knew it. The other guy they took later (Eben Britton) is a better player and will be a real good one for a long time because he understands how to handle getting beat. Okung is like that, and he ainít gonna get beat too much either.

...I do think people overrate Williams but that doesnít mean I think the kid canít play. We can start him next year on the right (right tackle) and not worry. Heís a kid youíre going to have to keep pushing though, if thatís what you mean. And Iíll tell you this about Bulaga--heís got that mental toughness too. That kid competes. I think he might be a right-sider in the long run but heíll be fine. I think heís like Chris Samuels, one of those guys that isnít in the Pro Bowl every year but you never have to worry about him either. You can win a lot with guys like that.

JR: Getting back to the mental toughness concept. What you said there reminds me of down in Mobile (Senior Bowl week) where we stood with (the GM of his team) and watched Vlad Ducasse beg the coaches to move back inside after a couple of bad plays at tackle. Is that more of what youíre talking about?

Scout: You got it. I know we said right then there ainít no way heís ever gonna make it. Heís afraid of getting beat and looking bad. Thatís the risk you run with the smaller college guys and the kids that everyone calls ďprojectsĒ (yes, he made the air quotes!). There is a hell of a lot of pressure on those kids to try and hit home runs on every pitch and never look bad. Especially early on. Some of the kids can handle it, some canít. He canít, and that ainít gonna change. Move him to guard, whatever...thatís (how they handle it) hard to see from those kids that come from small schools or kids like him that havenít played very long.

JR: Same thing with Jason Pierre Paul, right?

Scout: I donít know him very well. Then again I donít know how anyone could with how little he played. That kid has what, six starts in college? Iíd hate to be the guy responsible for drafting him in the first round, but Iíll bet you someone does. Wonít be us, I can tell you that much.

JR: Tell me why Jermaine Gresham is viewed so highly. I see a player that missed a season to a bad knee injury, runs slower than half the tackles in this draft, and canít block a lick.

Scout: You know what, weíve had that exact conversation a couple of times in working out our (draft) board. There are people in our front office who feel the same way you do, and we will not pick him above the 3rd round because of that. But that kid does have his defenders. I think you understate his speed. Heís not fast but he plays faster than he runs. I love how he uses his body to create a target, and if you throw the ball near him heís gonna catch it. Iíll give you this though--he ainít no blocker, thatís for sure. When you see a kid his size you think he should be able to line up tight and maul, but he canít do that at all.

JR: Give me a couple of players that most people like me believe are first round picks that you think will slide.

Scout: Brian Price, the fat kid from UCLA. Iíll tell you what, Terrence Cody is in a lot better shape than that kid and heís (Cody) comfortable with his size. Price will flash you the ability to get into the backfield, but watch him against good teams and he didnít do sh**. I know a lot of people that think heís going to be a big bust. Enough people that I think heíll get humbled a little come draft day.

JR: What about Taylor Mays?

Scout: You want to talk about physical freaks, thatís your guy right there. Thereís too much to like for him to fall, right or wrong. It wonít be us but someone will get him in the first (round).

JR: Iíll give you a few names and you tell me where you think they will be drafted...

JR: Jimmy Clausen?

Scout: Top 10, no doubt in my mind

JR: Tim Tebow?

Scout: (laughs) no later than #33 (overall)

JR: Colt McCoy?

Scout: I bet someone goes up and gets him in the 20s (overall). Could be us, you never know (laughs with a very wry smile)

JR: Corey Wootton?

Scout: First few picks of the second round

JR: Jason Worilds?

Scout: Middle of the 2nd, maybe higher

JR: Myron Rolle?

Scout: Good question. 4th round probably

JR: And your prediction for Mr. Irrelevant?

Scout: Wow, how about...hmmm...who has the pick?

JR: Detroit does. The reason I ask is that Iím in a pool where if we pick it correctly we get free dinner in Mobile next winter.

Scout: Alright then, how about Antonio Brown, the wideout from Central Michigan.

JR: Thanks!
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bap454
04-06-2010, 01:50 AM
From what I gather: -Corey Wooton will be gone by the time we pick in the second
-Mount Cody will be gone by the time we pick in the second
-Cody is lot better prospect than Price from UCLA
-Vlad Ducasse is mentally weak and projects to Guard
(which suits our needs just fine)

Requiem
04-06-2010, 11:53 AM
Thanks for that article, that was great.

BowlenBall
04-06-2010, 12:04 PM
Great read! Here's what I found interesting:

"(Clausen) was a world class prick when he got there, but he figured it out and grew up."

"Even that kid from Abilene (Christian, Tony Washington), he has everything you can want. Love his feet. He’s got some issues but for my money he’s better than that Bruce Campbell kid."

"(Jason Worilds is) middle of the 2nd, maybe higher."