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Bronco Rob
02-18-2010, 04:40 AM
The 10 greatest QBs of all-time


Updated Feb 17, 2010 1:54 PM ET


I wanted Manning to win Super Bowl XLIV, play at a high level and justify all the hype. I was prepared to join the bandwagon hailing him as one of the five best QBs of all time and a real threat to finish as the greatest of all time.

It didn't happen. He blew the game with a horrible INT. He took some air out of his hype balloon. The Men In Peyton's Crack don't want to admit it. They foolishly compare Manning to John Elway, claiming that, like Elway early in his career, Manning suffers from a weak supporting cast. Manning's defenders have the audacity to say that Terrell Davis carried Elway to his two Super Bowl victories.

This is what truly enrages me. It's the knocks on Elway -- The Greatest Football Player of All Time -- that send me over the edge.

When compared to Elway, Peyton Manning's NFL career was born sliding into home plate. As a rookie, Manning walked into a locker room that had future Hall of Famers Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison and the league's best GM, Bill Polian. By year six, Manning was working with veterans such as Harrison, Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Marcus Pollard and Dwight Freeney. By year nine, when Manning finally qualified for and won a Super Bowl, he was carried by a Tony Dungy defense that covered up Manning's three-TD, seven-INT, subpar playoff run.

Meanwhile, Elway spent his first decade in the league working with Mark Jackson, Vance Johnson, Gaston Green, Sammy Winder, Bobby Humphrey, Clarence Kay, Steve Watson and a defensive-minded head coach, Dan Reeves, who was afraid to unleash Elway until he absolutely had to. In Elway's 10th season (1992), third-year tight end Shannon Sharpe was elevated to a full-time starter, and it marked the first time in Elway's career he threw the ball to a Pro Bowl tight end or receiver.

Elway dragged slop to Super Bowls in 1986, 1987 and 1989.

It's an absolute lie that Manning has taken terrible teams to the Super Bowl. Polian built the Super Bowl Bills teams and the expansion Carolina squad that advanced to the NFC Championship in its second season. Polian has never built a one-man team.

I've spent the past four days thinking about and researching NFL quarterbacks. Most people don't even know how to properly define the QB debate. It's not about which quarterback you'd prefer for one game or even one season. It's not about which quarterback in his prime you'd start a franchise with right now.

Football is constantly evolving. The game today is considerably different from the game in the 1960s and 1970s. Each decade -- '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s and '00s -- has a distinct personality. Think about it. In the 1960s, segregation and an unstated quota on black players had an impact on style of play. For most of the 1970s, defenders could molest receivers, treat quarterbacks like tackling dummies and use the head slap. The 1980s saw the transition to a finesse game.

It was a process turning the NFL into a John Madden video game that limits contact with the quarterback to two-hand touch.

The greatest quarterback of all time is the one who could excel in all five eras. The criterion is: Which quarterback would you prefer to start a franchise with in any decade?


Here are the 10 greatest QBs of all time:


1. John Elway: Tremendous athleticism. He was Vince Young, except he could throw it accurately to any place on the field. Defensive coordinators and safeties feared his long arm so much that running backs Gaston Green, Bobby Humphrey and Sammy Winder all earned Pro Bowl berths taking handoffs from Elway. But the myth is Elway benefitted from Terrell Davis and Davis didn't benefit from Elway. Elway made the Broncos relevant and dangerous for 16 straight years.


2. Barry Montanailow: He wrote the songs "Copacabana" and "Mandy" and in 10 seasons as a full-time starter in San Francisco, Montana won four Super Bowls, three SB MVPs and two AP league MVPs. He finishes No. 2 because he's not as big, strong and athletic as Elway. Montana excelled in a rhythm and timing passing game. How would he perform in the era when DBs were actually allowed to defend receivers?

3. Johnny Unitas: On this, I defer to the old-timers who swear Mr. Unitas was as good as the modern QBs. He tossed 32 touchdowns in 1959! He led 34 fourth-quarter comebacks, which is second-best all time. He was MVP of the league three times and first-team all-pro five times. He dominated and defined the position throughout the 1960s.

4. Dan Marino: I don't care that he never won a Super Bowl. The dude was awesome. Marino -- not Elway -- holds the record for fourth-quarter comeback victories with 36. Elway is credited with 47, but indisputable research at profootball-reference.com proves that Marino is the real record holder. Marino set the table for the game we have today. His 48-TD, 5,000-yard sophomore season is the equivalent of Wilt Chamberlain's 50-points-a-game season.

5. Steve Young: The reason Joe Montana was exiled to Kansas City. You could make a strong case for Young being No. 2 behind Elway. He's just as athletic as Elway. Problem is, Young's resume isn't quite long enough to justify it. He had seven great seasons in San Francisco. He rode the bench behind Montana for four seasons, wasted two seasons in Tampa Bay and two seasons in the USFL. In seven seasons as a starter, Young made the Pro Bowl seven times, was all-pro three times, won the league's MVP award twice and won a Super Bowl and SB MVP trophy.

6. Tom Brady: Every name listed above his quarterbacked at least one losing team. Brady has never led a loser. Never. To me, he epitomizes winning at the QB position, even more than Montana. Joe had Jerry Rice for two of his four Super Bowl victories. Brady won three Super Bowls with Troy Brown. Brady is a combination old-school, new-school quarterback.

7. Brett Favre: He owns all the records good and bad. He's durable. He's courageous. Teammates love to play with him. He would be a star in the 1920s. It's popular to trash Favre now. The game of football is far better with him than without him. If he comes back next season and gets a second Super Bowl, no one will ever doubt his greatness.

8. Peyton Manning: He might one day move into the top five of this list. But not today. Manning is perfect for the Madden video game era. You put him in the 1960s and 1970s -- when defenders could beat up QBs -- and he just might be Jim Everett. Remember the scrambling play Eli Manning made to win XLII? Peyton would have never made that play because he would've fallen to the ground long before a defender touched him. Again, I like Peyton. He just has some work to do before we overlook his shortcomings and anoint him.

9. Roger Staubach: People forget he missed four seasons because of his commitment to the Naval Academy. He was a 27-year-old rookie in 1969. Think of what his career might have been without his service to our country. He won two Super Bowls and was a six-time Pro Bowler despite an abbreviated career.

10. Fran Tarkenton: He was a great player in two decades -- the 1960s and '70s. He quarterbacked the Vikings to three Super Bowl appearances. He played 18 seasons. He could scramble. He was an accurate passer, completing 60 percent of his passes five of his final six seasons. This was long before a 60-precent completion rate was common place. We often overlook Tarkenton's sustained greatness.



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Flex Gunmetal
02-18-2010, 08:48 AM
Great article, but it was posted a week or so ago.

Bronco Rob
02-18-2010, 02:20 PM
Great article, but it was posted a week* or so ago.


The 10 greatest QBs of all-time


Updated Feb 17, 2010 1:54 PM ET*



Feb 17th 2010 is a week ago?!?



???

Flex Gunmetal
02-18-2010, 03:21 PM
The original one was. This is whitlock, right? There was a lengthy thread. Dont know what got updated.

Bronco Rob
02-18-2010, 03:32 PM
The original one was. This is whitlock, right? There was a lengthy thread. Dont know what got updated.



:thumbsup:

errand
02-18-2010, 03:33 PM
With all due respect, Otto Graham took his team to 10 consecutive title games...winning 7 of them. Can any other QB make that claim?

Bronco Rob
02-19-2010, 02:04 PM
:thumbs:

uplink
02-19-2010, 05:13 PM
I've been a fan of Elway all through his broncos tenure I remember that 1st game vs. the Steelers and his 1st TD pass etc etc. However, he did make more than his share of poor throws in quarters 1-3 of games. He played like a god in the 4th though if the win was in sight.

So was wondering should he be demoted due to his poor decision making when the game was not on-the-line. Some of those games could have ended sooner and might not have required the miraculous 4th quarter play of Elway to get the win. Should guys like Montana, Brady, Manning be rated higher since they didn't/don't play as recklessly?

One thing is pretty certain, if there is a God he was a John Elway fan in the 4th quarter.

loborugger
02-19-2010, 05:44 PM
Comparing Elway to Vince Young? I dont see it. John was a good scrambler but he isnt in Young's league.

dsmoot
02-20-2010, 09:01 AM
I was fortunate to see everyone on the list from Johnny Unitas forward (born in Baltimore, moved to Denver in 71). I am a huge Elway fan. However, John Elway is not better than Unitas nor is Montana. It is difficult to say if Elway is better than Montana. Physically, yes. Game smarts, I think Montana is a little better.

Playing the position is so much more than arm strength, ability to scramble, a quick release, etc. etc. I don't see anything that Montana could do better than Unitas, nothing. You have to somewhat separate championships. Unitas won two NFL championships plus one SB (although he was knocked out) and if healthy, would have won another SB. Earl Morrell was no John Unitas. He played against the Lombardi Packers right in the middle of his career. One year he missed the playoffs when the Colts went 11-1-2.

Unitas called his own plays like Manning does and was far better than an upstairs or sideline coach. He played hurt like Favre does and on a number of occasions, he returned to the field to lead his team to late game come from behind victories when most of todays QB's would be in the locker room. He may have been the most accurate deep thrower of any era. He commanded respect like no QB I ever watched. It is quite amazing to hear comments from his teammates even today. Although a good teammate, he was not one of the boys - his own players had an almost fearful respect for him when they weren't playing up to their potential. Can you imagine a QB today ignoring plays or waving off players sent in by a Hall of Famer like Don Shula. Shula may have been the head coach but the team was Johnny U's. I believe this was a contributing factor of Shula leaving Baltimore to go to Miami. I think Dan Reeves may have realized the same thing 20 years later.

The game has changed significantly and memories of Unitas are fading quickly now. However, he would have thrived in any offense run today.

WolfpackGuy
02-20-2010, 09:43 AM
It's a damn shame Elway didn't play in an offense that was BUILT around him until 1993.

1987 was about as wide open as Reeves ever let Elway get, but it's not like they had much offensive talent to support him.

strafen
02-20-2010, 09:55 AM
Elway took 3 teams to the SB that had no business being in there.
His will to win was legendary. That's what made Elway the winningest QB in NFL history up until Favre took that record by deciding to play forever two years ago

Rausch 2.0
02-20-2010, 09:56 AM
Elway took 3 teams to the SB that had no business being in there.

Does his play in those games not count?

Rausch 2.0
02-20-2010, 09:57 AM
It's a damn shame Elway didn't play in an offense that was BUILT around him until 1993.

Wha'...?

strafen
02-20-2010, 10:04 AM
Does his play in those games not count?Of course it does.
What you need to understand is that Elway was surrounded with subpar receivers and a mediocre running game. Our defense was ok under Collyer.
It was all on Elway's shoulders.
Those teams Montana took to SB's were full of HoFers. He had the best WR in NFL hitroy, superb running game, stout defense, and in general, he had a complete team

Rausch 2.0
02-20-2010, 10:28 AM
Those teams Montana took to SB's were full of HoFers. He had the best WR in NFL hitroy, superb running game, stout defense, and in general, he had a complete team

Montana went to KC in his mid 30's and took 2 WR's and a TE THAT WERE NOT IN THE NFL 3 years later to an AFC championchip game.

On top of that you have A 33 year old HB and Marty. The only offensive probowlers Montana had in 93 were a fullback and two offensive lineman.

He could WILL people to win.

Joe was just too old by the time he got to KC. He'd been beaten to all piss and had nothing to throw to. The fact he even got KC to an AFC Championchip game is like MacGyver making a nuclear weapon out of a tampon, a stick of gum, and 3 paper clips.

Montana's 2 years in KC were like a prolonged version of Elway's dive-hit-spin vs. Atlanta in the SB.

Elway was Jeff George to me until that play. That play demonstrated it was not about Elway, it was about WINNING.

Before he had even landed that game was OVER. And it had jack squat to do with talent it was all about "WANT TO."

WolfpackGuy
02-20-2010, 10:35 AM
Wha'...?

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

I guess...

strafen
02-20-2010, 02:10 PM
Montana went to KC in his mid 30's and took 2 WR's and a TE THAT WERE NOT IN THE NFL 3 years later to an AFC championchip game.

On top of that you have A 33 year old HB and Marty. The only offensive probowlers Montana had in 93 were a fullback and two offensive lineman.

He could WILL people to win.

Joe was just too old by the time he got to KC. He'd been beaten to all piss and had nothing to throw to. The fact he even got KC to an AFC Championchip game is like MacGyver making a nuclear weapon out of a tampon, a stick of gum, and 3 paper clips.

Montana's 2 years in KC were like a prolonged version of Elway's dive-hit-spin vs. Atlanta in the SB.

Elway was Jeff George to me until that play. That play demonstrated it was not about Elway, it was about WINNING.

Before he had even landed that game was OVER. And it had jack squat to do with talent it was all about "WANT TO."So Elway was Jeff George before Jeff George had played in the NFL.
That's all I need to leanr from you to see how ignorant you are.
Jeff George didn't take any team to the SB, did he?

To compare John Elway to Jeff George just shows your personal dislike of Elway.
I can't really take what you're saying as anything but a biased comment.
Nobody in the right mind would ever consider Elway a Jeff George. Even if Elway had not won the SB he would've been a lock to the HoF.

One more thing, I would've loved to see Montana play on the same teams Elway took to the SB.
How well you think he would've fared?


Note: I'm not saying Montana is a bad QB, but he was a system QB under one of the best offensive mind ever in the NFL in Bill Walsh.
Elway was just a pure and raw QB as it was meant to be in the game of football. He played the QB as meant to be played...

dsmoot
02-20-2010, 02:39 PM
So Elway was Jeff George before Jeff George had played in the NFL.
That's all I need to leanr from you to see how ignorant you are.
Jeff George didn't take any team to the SB, did he?

To compare John Elway to Jeff George just shows your personal dislike of Elway.
I can't really take what you're saying as anything but a biased comment.
Nobody in the right mind would ever consider Elway a Jeff George. Even if Elway had not won the SB he would've been a lock to the HoF.

One more thing, I would've loved to see Montana play on the same teams Elway took to the SB.
How well you think he would've fared?


Note: I'm not saying Montana is a bad QB, but he was a system QB under one of the best offensive mind ever in the NFL in Bill Walsh.
Elway was just a pure and raw QB as it was meant to be in the game of football. He played the QB as meant to be played...

In addition to poorer talent around him, Elway was hamstrung by the conservative offensive play calling of Dan Reeves. How many times did we see Sammy Winder left, Sammy Winder right and then come on John make a play. When Wade and Fassell came to Denver, it was like watching a metamophosis take place with Elway when he was finally given the keys to the car.

I developed an intense dislike for Terry Bradshaw because of comments he would make about Elway. Terry Bradshaw probably played with more HOF players around him than Montana. Bradshaw would have never sniffed a SB with Bronco 1986 - 1989 teams around him. When he talks himself up during conversations about those Steeler teams, I think he forgets the level of talent he had around him. I am glad he wasn't on the list. I don't think he is even in the top 20.

Bronco Rob
02-21-2010, 04:59 AM
Montana went to KC in his mid 30's and took 2 WR's and a TE THAT WERE NOT IN THE NFL 3 years later to an AFC championchip game.



WRONG!


Marcus Allen (15) had more Touchdowns and was the the teams MVP that season...montana barely played Dave Kreig started five games...

It might help if you had a clue before you flap your gums....


here bone up on your stats Einstein: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/1993.htm




:thumbs:

loborugger
02-21-2010, 11:21 AM
Montana went to KC in his mid 30's and took 2 WR's and a TE THAT WERE NOT IN THE NFL 3 years later to an AFC championchip game.



I think Jake Plummer did that, too. Except the mid 30s part.

BroncoBuff
02-21-2010, 11:29 AM
The 1989 team wasn't "slop" ... our defense was #1 in the league in points allowed.

strafen
02-21-2010, 11:43 AM
The 1989 team wasn't "slop" ... our defense was #1 in the league in points allowed.What happened back in the 80's was that the NFC teams were dominants. Heck, I think it was the Broncos who put a stop to that dominance when they won SBXXXII.
Even if our team of the 80's was good on defense, the NFC was more dominant because they were bigger and stronger.
The AFC teams for most part were small and fast. The Broncos were manhandled on both side to the ball in those SB's. We never stood a chance.

By the time we got back to the SB in 1997-98 we already had a bigger team and one of the best OL in football. Zimmerman, Schreleth, Nalen, Habib, Jones playing in front of John Elway. It doesn't get any better than that.
Then we've had good size and speed on defense as well.

Rabb
02-21-2010, 01:19 PM
Montana went to KC in his mid 30's and took 2 WR's and a TE THAT WERE NOT IN THE NFL 3 years later to an AFC championchip game.

On top of that you have A 33 year old HB and Marty. The only offensive probowlers Montana had in 93 were a fullback and two offensive lineman.

He could WILL people to win.

Joe was just too old by the time he got to KC. He'd been beaten to all piss and had nothing to throw to. The fact he even got KC to an AFC Championchip game is like MacGyver making a nuclear weapon out of a tampon, a stick of gum, and 3 paper clips.

Montana's 2 years in KC were like a prolonged version of Elway's dive-hit-spin vs. Atlanta in the SB.

Elway was Jeff George to me until that play. That play demonstrated it was not about Elway, it was about WINNING.

Before he had even landed that game was OVER. And it had jack squat to do with talent it was all about "WANT TO."

tsk tsk

would be nice if you had any idea what you were talking about, that was the Green Bay SB

comparing Jeff George to Elway in any way makes you a complete moron

welcome to the iggy list douche!

ZONA
02-21-2010, 09:21 PM
Look, it's real simple. Everthing counts when evaluating QB's. The stats, years played and the winning. Some QB's either have great stats and maybe 1 superbowl win (like Farve, Marino, Manning) or they have many superbowls and stats that aren't that great compared to others (Brady, Bradshaw, Montana).

Elway has the best mixture of both. He played in 5 Superbowls, won 2 and has some of the best QB stats there are.

John Elway was the best QB so far.

strafen
02-21-2010, 09:37 PM
Look, it's real simple. Everthing counts when evaluating QB's. The stats, years played and the winning. Some QB's either have great stats and maybe 1 superbowl win (like Farve, Marino, Manning) or they have many superbowls and stats that aren't that great compared to others (Brady, Bradshaw, Montana).

Elway has the best mixture of both. He played in 5 Superbowls, won 2 and has some of the best QB stats there are.

John Elway was the best QB so far.Marino never won a SB. I'm not sure he even made it to one...

Bronco Rob
02-23-2010, 04:46 AM
:thanku:

Gort
02-23-2010, 12:20 PM
I was fortunate to see everyone on the list from Johnny Unitas forward (born in Baltimore, moved to Denver in 71). I am a huge Elway fan. However, John Elway is not better than Unitas nor is Montana. It is difficult to say if Elway is better than Montana. Physically, yes. Game smarts, I think Montana is a little better.

Playing the position is so much more than arm strength, ability to scramble, a quick release, etc. etc. I don't see anything that Montana could do better than Unitas, nothing. You have to somewhat separate championships. Unitas won two NFL championships plus one SB (although he was knocked out) and if healthy, would have won another SB. Earl Morrell was no John Unitas. He played against the Lombardi Packers right in the middle of his career. One year he missed the playoffs when the Colts went 11-1-2.

Unitas called his own plays like Manning does and was far better than an upstairs or sideline coach. He played hurt like Favre does and on a number of occasions, he returned to the field to lead his team to late game come from behind victories when most of todays QB's would be in the locker room. He may have been the most accurate deep thrower of any era. He commanded respect like no QB I ever watched. It is quite amazing to hear comments from his teammates even today. Although a good teammate, he was not one of the boys - his own players had an almost fearful respect for him when they weren't playing up to their potential. Can you imagine a QB today ignoring plays or waving off players sent in by a Hall of Famer like Don Shula. Shula may have been the head coach but the team was Johnny U's. I believe this was a contributing factor of Shula leaving Baltimore to go to Miami. I think Dan Reeves may have realized the same thing 20 years later.

The game has changed significantly and memories of Unitas are fading quickly now. However, he would have thrived in any offense run today.

you are right. Unitas is #1 in the history of the game. about Shula though... he's said that he would have been happy to stay in Baltimore, but he wanted a pay raise after Superbowl 3. the owner said no, alluding to the fact that Shula had just lost the superbowl to a guy Shula had replaced (Ewbank). so Shula left for Miami the next season.

Gort
02-23-2010, 12:21 PM
Marino never won a SB. I'm not sure he even made it to one...

Marino lost a SB to the 49ers.

TDmvp
02-23-2010, 12:23 PM
Marino never won a SB. I'm not sure he even made it to one...

:spit:


Dude come on ...

Bronco Rob
02-24-2010, 02:45 AM
:p

Bronco Rob
02-25-2010, 07:08 PM
:strong:

Broncos4tw
02-25-2010, 09:34 PM
I've been furious with Dan Reeves for years and years. He had the greatest talent in Elway, and frittered it away with his oldschool mentality. I lost count of all the run-run-pass drives. And all the times his mediocre, passive playcalling failed for three quarters, and then basically said "Well.. ok, you can try to win this one now John." And he did, repeatedly.

It's no coincidence that Elway's most productive year ever, came the first year of a new, offensively-minded Shanahan.

I personally feel if Elway had been given free reign, the way Peyton does, to play his game throughout his career, no one would be close in any category.

When a good QB is playing, you get a varying degree of confidence on third and long plays. With Elway, I was so confident, I looked forward to those plays, because I knew I was about to see yet another amazing play. I was highly confident. I've had lowering feelings of confidence since, only Plummer remotely did I have some confidence a play would be made.

And don't want to turn this into an Orton thread, but I have next to no confidence that a third and long will be turned into a first time, unless there is a penalty. I just assume if it's 3rd and 8 or greater, we will be punting.

Manning, Montana, Brady, Marino and others, they also were so dangerous, I always cringed on third down plays, figuring there was a good chance they'd get it. With Elway though, I always felt he would. Sure, some bias.. but he could do anything, from anywhere.

Dagmar
02-25-2010, 09:51 PM
Marino never won a SB. I'm not sure he even made it to one...

http://www.facepalm.org/img.php

BroncoBuff
02-26-2010, 12:00 AM
January 1985 ... Palo Alto California ....


http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/06/12/dan_marino.jpg

BroncoBuff
02-26-2010, 12:27 AM
He was no Elway, but he was a massively talented passer.

He took the stationary, quick-release style of Namath and Fouts, and perfected it:


Dan Marino - Career

Att/Comp . . . . . . .4,967 *
Percentage . . . . . . 59.4 *
TD-INT . . . . . . . 420-252 *
Passing yards . . . 61,361 *
QB Rating . . . . . . . 86.4 *
Most yds season . 5,084

* - Held these records until Favre passed him

Still holds single season yardage record.

ZONA
02-26-2010, 01:29 AM
Marino never won a SB. I'm not sure he even made it to one...

Hence that is why I underlined MAYBE. I just knew somebody would say just what you said, lol.

loborugger
02-26-2010, 07:13 AM
January 1985 ... Palo Alto California ....


http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/06/12/dan_marino.jpg

If I remember correctly, Marino was actually the leading rusher for the Fins that day, that is how badly they got dominated.

errand
03-02-2010, 03:09 PM
Of course it does.
What you need to understand is that Elway was surrounded with subpar receivers and a mediocre running game. Our defense was ok under Collyer.
It was all on Elway's shoulders.
Those teams Montana took to SB's were full of HoFers. He had the best WR in NFL hitroy, superb running game, stout defense, and in general, he had a complete team

Can you name the 49ers leading runner in their first Super bowl title winning season? BTW, Jerry Rice wasn't on that team either....

As for Elway and the human rummage sale take....someone had to catch his passes, throw a block and make a tackle or two.....

The "Drive" would never have been had Mark Jackson not held onto a high Elway bullet for a 21 yard gain on 3rd and 18....

The next season vs. Cleveland saw Sammy Winder taking a swing pass and weaving 30 yards for the game winning TD, that was saved when Jeremiah Castille stripped Byner of the ball and recovered the subsequent fumble.

The "Drive II" vs. Houston saw Elway lobbing a pass to a wide open Vance Johnson who sprinted 35 of the 44 yards gained that set up game winning FG...

So to say it was all Elway is not accurate....that's like saying his poor stats in those SB's were why we didn't win them.

errand
03-02-2010, 03:12 PM
Marino never won a SB. I'm not sure he even made it to one...

...and yet you expect to be taken seriously on here.

errand
03-02-2010, 03:15 PM
If I remember correctly, Marino was actually the leading rusher for the Fins that day, that is how badly they got dominated.

The game was decided after the Dolphins scored their only TD...Walsh adjusted his defense because he knew what the 49ers were doing wasn't gonna stop the 'fins.....unfortunately Shula figured his boys just weren't executing the game plan he implemented and got burned by not making adjustments.

errand
03-02-2010, 03:17 PM
Montana's 2 years in KC were like a prolonged version of Elway's dive-hit-spin vs. Atlanta in the SB.

Elway was Jeff George to me until that play. That play demonstrated it was not about Elway, it was about WINNING.

Before he had even landed that game was OVER. And it had jack squat to do with talent it was all about "WANT TO."

...that helicopter ride took place vs Packers...not Falcons

errand
03-02-2010, 03:20 PM
Why do alot of people feel they have to degrade Montana, Marino or any other QB to elevate Elway.

Just because Elway was great doesn't mean Montana wasn't great...and vice versa.

Bronco Rob
03-06-2010, 03:20 AM
Why do alot of people feel they have to degrade Montana, Marino or any other QB to elevate Elway.

Just because Elway was great doesn't mean Montana wasn't great...and vice versa.


o·ver·rate (vr-rt)
tr.v. o·ver·rat·ed, o·ver·rat·ing, o·ver·rates

"To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly'



2. Barry Montanailow: He wrote the songs "Copacabana" and "Mandy" and in 10 seasons as a full-time starter in San Francisco, Montana won four Super Bowls, three SB MVPs and two AP league MVPs. He finishes No. 2 because he's not as big, strong and athletic as Elway. Montana excelled in a rhythm and timing passing game. How would he perform in the era when DBs were actually allowed to defend receivers?



:wave:

The Moops
03-06-2010, 06:23 PM
No Otto Graham . . . . no Sammy Baugh????

Not much of a list

broncosteven
03-06-2010, 07:54 PM
I go with the following

1) Elway - No other QB could take those 80's teams to the SB.

2) Bart Starr - He was the best of the game manager QB's like Montana and Brady. The dude could sling the ball, the DVD's I have of him playing are great.

3) Unitas - I remember him from the days when his arm was shot so that is why I had him so low.

4) Graham - He went to a ton of Championship games, I have 2 DVD's of them and he played lousy in both but he won a lot of games and I have read a lot of great things about him as a player and person. The ball looked harder to throw back then which is why he gets in the holy of holy's.

I don't think a lot of QB's on the 1st threads list could have played in the old days. I think John could have taken the punishment and been successful.

After those 4 I normally don't go any further. I did enjoy watching Tarkington as a kid Maybe he desereves the 10 slot.

TomServo
03-07-2010, 12:25 AM
with the game on the line the GOAT? peyton manning? he threw a PICK SIX
in the SuperBowl.
how many times have we heard "poor peyton, his D isnt any good or he doesnt have a RB?"
our guy elway dragged three avg teams to the SB. but poor poor manning had to have a team built around him. and after ten years in the league he has one ring, against the rex grossman led bears?
Let us all replay the great SB Elway helicopter play. manning cant run, he would have been sacked or threw the ball away. favre would have chucked the ball into coverage and been picked off.marino woud have chucked the ball out of bounds.

broncosteven
03-07-2010, 01:45 PM
with the game on the line the GOAT? peyton manning? he threw a PICK SIX
in the SuperBowl.
how many times have we heard "poor peyton, his D isnt any good or he doesnt have a RB?"
our guy elway dragged three avg teams to the SB. but poor poor manning had to have a team built around him. and after ten years in the league he has one ring, against the rex grossman led bears?
Let us all replay the great SB Elway helicopter play. manning cant run, he would have been sacked or threw the ball away. favre would have chucked the ball into coverage and been picked off.marino woud have chucked the ball out of bounds.

Farve even had the better passing day that day but it took John's will to win that game. When I think of Farver I think of the last pass he tried to force to the underaged hottub guy and then watching Farter stumble off the field in shock.

Bronco Rob
03-09-2010, 02:06 PM
I go with the following

1) Elway - No other QB could take those 80's teams to the SB.

2) Bart Starr - He was the best of the game manager QB's like Montana and Brady. The dude could sling the ball, the DVD's I have of him playing are great.

3) Unitas - I remember him from the days when his arm was shot so that is why I had him so low.

4) Graham - He went to a ton of Championship games, I have 2 DVD's of them and he played lousy in both but he won a lot of games and I have read a lot of great things about him as a player and person. The ball looked harder to throw back then which is why he gets in the holy of holy's.

I don't think a lot of QB's on the 1st threads list could have played in the old days. I think John could have taken the punishment and been successful.

After those 4 I normally don't go any further. I did enjoy watching Tarkington as a kid Maybe he desereves the 10 slot.




:thumbs:

rastaman
03-09-2010, 03:32 PM
With all due respect, Otto Graham took his team to 10 consecutive title games...winning 7 of them. Can any other QB make that claim?

Those were the 1950's era Championship. The modern day NFL was and remains much more competive and difficult to win games let alone championships.

rastaman
03-09-2010, 03:34 PM
:thumbs:

We should a thread who are the Top 10 QB's never to have won a Super Bowl.:strong: