PDA

View Full Version : Woody's Mailbag: Broncos need to move Marshall, antics out of town


Bronco Rob
02-18-2010, 04:00 AM
Woody's Mailbag: Broncos need to move Marshall, antics out of town


Manuel from Colorado Springs asks Woody about Brandon Marshall
By Woody Paige
The Denver Post


Updated: 02/18/2010 03:46:07 AM MST


Get wide receiver Brandon Marshall out of Denver. Wasn't he the guy who said he hated Denver after one of his many encounters with law enforcement? Nice touch now, saying he is "going with the flow," finally listening to some good advice and "has learned." Having been responsible for large groups of employees, I know that if you put the team second, regardless of performance, it derails the necessary order within that unit. Marshall walks and quacks like a lame duck. How could he think good performance supersedes everything else? Move him out.
Manuel Garcia, Colorado Springs


Manuel: Don't send in the clowns. Send away the clown. It's time. I'm tired of Marshall's act. The Broncos are tired of his act. Broncos fans are tired of his actions.

Marshall has calmed down his off-field actions with women, but not his off-field antics with the Broncos. I don't think there's any way Marshall and coach Josh McDaniels can go forward together.

You haven't heard Josh say he wants Brandon back. There's a reason.

I can pull out my old columns: "Time to trade Marshall," "Grow up, Brandon," "Brandon has matured," "Brandon shows immaturity," "Brandon promises no more mistakes," "Brandon makes more mistakes," "Brandon has great year," "Brandon doesn't want to play last game," "Brandon hates Denver," "Brandon loves Denver," "Brandon wants out," "Brandon wants to sit up straight."

If he were to come back next season, we'd be saying, "Oh, Brandon is having a great year." Then we'd be saying Brandon is causing trouble, has gotten into trouble, says his new contract isn't sufficient, doesn't like Denver. He's not worth the trouble or the money.




Woody, you gave your readers the job of mulling the Broncos' QB situation. I don't have to mull, I already know. Last year I said the Broncos should package some of the high draft picks they got for squandering Jay Cutler's talent and take Mark Sanchez. Trade one Pro Bowl talent for another. That did not happen. I like Tom Brandstater. Why not give him a chance? I don't believe in wasting picks (like Josh McDaniels did with cornerback Alphonso Smith). If you draft a QB, play him. If he can't play, package something else this year and get a real QB of the future. Kyle Orton isn't it. He has that Jake Plummer knack for boneheaded plays.
Dam Nace, St. Louis


Dam: Dam straight. Let's try this again: Orton is an average quarterback. Average quarterbacks rarely, almost never, get to the Super Bowl.

Check out the final four in the playoffs this year. Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Brett Favre took snaps for three of the four teams. All are potential Hall of Famers.

Sure, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, but he didn't even stick with the Ravens the next year. Brad Johnson also won a ring, with Tampa Bay. But those teams relied on great defenses.

So the Broncos will have to replace Orton in a couple of years. We know it ain't Phil Simms. We actually know it's not Brandstater. Unfortunately, he didn't impress the coaching staff while running the scout team's offense last year. I think the kid's got a chance, but not here. He probably will stick as a third QB again next season.

Team owner Pat Bowlen told The Post's Mike Klis that the Broncos will draft a quarterback in April. But, again, Josh isn't talking.

I suspect the Broncos will trade their first pick or use it on wide receiver Dez Bryant or a defensive lineman and then try, if they can, to get a QB in the second round from the crowd left.

I've discussed those possibilities in recent mailbags. The Broncos may have a chance at Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen, because a lot of teams think he's a risky pick.

Colt McCoy has started working out again. Sam Bradford, I think, will go early.

It has to be a quarterback who will fit in Josh's system, although the only system I've figured out is throw short and hope the receiver can break away. If I hear "bubble screen" one more time, I'm going to bubble scream.





http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14421762

Denver724
02-18-2010, 06:07 AM
Bummer about Brandstater. I thought he may have had a chance. Oh well, probably a QB in Rd. 2.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2010, 08:24 AM
Why does woody know its not Tom B.

Also, Mark Sanchez might be a good QB one day, but he was ****ing horrible last year.

Dagmar
02-18-2010, 08:27 AM
Phil Simms?

strafen
02-18-2010, 08:29 AM
Why does woody know its not Tom B.

Also, Mark Sanchez might be a good QB one day, but he was ****ing horrible last year.I didn't see anything in Mark Sanchez that impressed me at all either.
I admire the Jets for throwing the kid in there and made it work thru thick and thin.
I think that was a valuable playing experience Sanchez will benefit from.
He should be a lot better next season and his potential show some more...

RaiderH8r
02-18-2010, 09:07 AM
We need to bide our time then move for Jake "Hurt" Locker.

Let's see you know it alls flame that move.

You will.

Florida_Bronco
02-18-2010, 09:31 AM
Why does woody know its not Tom B.

He doesn't. Just more piss poor reporting.

TheReverend
02-18-2010, 10:55 AM
So the Broncos will have to replace Orton in a couple of years. We know it ain't Phil Simms. We actually know it's not Brandstater. Unfortunately, he didn't impress the coaching staff while running the scout team's offense last year. I think the kid's got a chance, but not here. He probably will stick as a third QB again next

lol what?

misturanderson
02-18-2010, 11:24 AM
We need to bide our time then move for Jake "Hurt" Locker.

Let's see you know it alls flame that move.

You will.

He's got the physical talent to run an offense that relies a lot on improvising, but I question his mental ability to run an offense that requires quick and decisive reads.

The guy can take over a game with his improvisation, but it doesn't seem like that is a quality at the top of Josh's list when it comes to important skills for a QB. We'll see how much better he gets in that area by next year.

RaiderH8r
02-18-2010, 11:29 AM
He's got the physical talent to run an offense that relies a lot on improvising, but I question his mental ability to run an offense that requires quick and decisive reads.

The guy can take over a game with his improvisation, but it doesn't seem like that is a quality at the top of Josh's list when it comes to important skills for a QB. We'll see how much better he gets in that area by next year.

He had the good sense to stay an extra year which puts him one up on face punchingly good Claussen.

At this point I don't know what Josh is looking for in a QB. Noodle arm? Heavy feet? Cpt. Checkdown? We got all of that in Orton. Maybe Locker isn't his guy.

Hamrob
02-18-2010, 12:08 PM
Locker or Mallet next year. I think those two are superior to Bradford and Clauson. You really have to question whether Bradford and/or Clauson are worth top-10 money (IMO). Both guys have huge question marks and not enough "wow" to them.

jhat01
02-18-2010, 12:22 PM
Locker or Mallet next year. I think those two are superior to Bradford and Clauson. You really have to question whether Bradford and/or Clauson are worth top-10 money (IMO). Both guys have huge question marks and not enough "wow" to them.

Bradford's injuries would give me pause. And to me he looks skinny and frail when he's out on the field, that may be off base, but whenever I see film of his I'm like "damn that dude looks skinny."

RaiderH8r
02-18-2010, 12:40 PM
Locker or Mallet next year. I think those two are superior to Bradford and Clauson. You really have to question whether Bradford and/or Clauson are worth top-10 money (IMO). Both guys have huge question marks and not enough "wow" to them.

And, as I think I've mentioned before, Clausen has a face even his mother would punch. I don't know why, but he just generates such a seething hatred in me that I want to mule kick that sour puss of his into oblivion.

RaiderH8r
02-18-2010, 12:41 PM
Bradford's injuries would give me pause. And to me he looks skinny and frail when he's out on the field, that may be off base, but whenever I see film of his I'm like "damn that dude looks skinny."

Yeah, he's probably pretty beefcake relative to the rest of us but I feel ya. He looks half sickly out there and that chicken wing of his looks like it'll be broken at any time.

colonelbeef
02-18-2010, 01:23 PM
Ehhh.....

Lots of asshole players have gone on to win championships before. As a HC, McDaniels has to be able to deal with players whether he likes them personally or not.

Ray Lewis is a total dickbag, and he is also a Super Bowl MVP. It takes all kinds. You don't throw away supertalented (and underpaid) players like Brandon Marshall just because he is a jerk.

This isn't the boyscouts. It's the NF mother****in L.

PRBronco
02-18-2010, 01:28 PM
Bradford's injuries would give me pause. And to me he looks skinny and frail when he's out on the field, that may be off base, but whenever I see film of his I'm like "damn that dude looks skinny."

Lol, I read a quote from a scout that said he has to run around in the shower to get wet.

Rabb
02-18-2010, 01:30 PM
Ehhh.....

Lots of a-hole players have gone on to win championships before. As a HC, McDaniels has to be able to deal with players whether he likes them personally or not.

Ray Lewis is a total dickbag, and he is also a Super Bowl MVP. It takes all kinds. You don't throw away supertalented (and underpaid) players like Brandon Marshall just because he is a jerk.

This isn't the boyscouts. It's the NF mother****in L.

actually I don't think Marshall is a jerk at all, he is someone that makes poor off the field decisions that will impact the team if he gets caught again

that is the issue to me, not if he is a nice guy or not

BroncoBuff
02-18-2010, 01:31 PM
Isn't this a 180 from what he said in Week 14 or 15?

Crushaholic
02-18-2010, 02:24 PM
Isn't this a 180 from what he said in Week 14 or 15?

...which is why his opinion is irrelevant...

NFLBRONCO
02-18-2010, 02:26 PM
If BM is traded Denver needs a 1 and 2 wr Royal should be slot guy.

misturanderson
02-18-2010, 05:07 PM
He had the good sense to stay an extra year which puts him one up on face punchingly good Claussen.

At this point I don't know what Josh is looking for in a QB. Noodle arm? Heavy feet? Cpt. Checkdown? We got all of that in Orton. Maybe Locker isn't his guy.

Yes, but Locker also doesn't put up good stats and has a terrible completion percentage in a weak conference. There is no denying that he's a physical specimen, but it is a stretch to say that he is a better QB than Bradford or Clausen. He could end up being one, but he certainly hasn't shown anything to prove that he will be.

When will you people get it through your heads that scrambling ability and a strong arm are not the most important attributes of an NFL QB? The mental game is far more important as long as they have adequate physical ability and adequate physical ability is pretty underwhelming for a QB compared to almost any other position in the game. You absolutely do not have to be an elite athlete to play QB, but you do have to make good decisions with the ball.

I also try not to base my opinion of someone as a football player on the way their face looks, but that's just me.

Drek
02-18-2010, 06:09 PM
Isn't this a 180 from what he said in Week 14 or 15?

Its what Woody does. He's just looking for something to grind his axe on.

Marshall and the org. having issues? "YOU GOT TO KEEP THESE TALENTED YOUNG GUYS!"

Marshall and McDaniels both playing nice, acting like they want to try keeping him? "HE'S A BAD APPLE, GET RID OF HIM!"

Chris
02-18-2010, 06:21 PM
I just pictured Woody bubble screaming.

RaiderH8r
02-19-2010, 06:45 AM
Yes, but Locker also doesn't put up good stats and has a terrible completion percentage in a weak conference. There is no denying that he's a physical specimen, but it is a stretch to say that he is a better QB than Bradford or Clausen. He could end up being one, but he certainly hasn't shown anything to prove that he will be.

When will you people get it through your heads that scrambling ability and a strong arm are not the most important attributes of an NFL QB? The mental game is far more important as long as they have adequate physical ability and adequate physical ability is pretty underwhelming for a QB compared to almost any other position in the game. You absolutely do not have to be an elite athlete to play QB, but you do have to make good decisions with the ball.

I also try not to base my opinion of someone as a football player on the way their face looks, but that's just me.

I can teach the playbook, I can't teach strong arm and mobility.

I loathe Claussen, he should be a Raider and Bradford looks like he'll snap at any given moment.

Also, I don't know where Bronco fans could ever have gotten the notion that a strong armed and mobile QB could make great things happen? Where ever would such a notion arise?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-19-2010, 06:52 AM
I can teach the playbook, I can't teach strong arm and mobility.

I loathe Claussen, he should be a Raider and Bradford looks like he'll snap at any given moment.

Also, I don't know where Bronco fans could ever have gotten the notion that a strong armed and mobile QB could make great things happen? Where ever would such a notion arise?

Oh, I get it. You're talking about Elway.

Elway was also able to lead a pro-style offense. He wasn't "just" an improviser as Locker has been, and he put up better college stats.

So while strong-armed and mobile both matter to the equation, there's more to be taken into account.

jhns
02-19-2010, 06:57 AM
I really hope we don't give away Marshall. This team already lacks talent and losing Marshall will make that a much bigger problem. I say we try something new this year. Keep the talent around and build around it. It would probably give us a better chance at getting better.

misturanderson
02-19-2010, 07:40 AM
I can teach the playbook, I can't teach strong arm and mobility.

I loathe Claussen, he should be a Raider and Bradford looks like he'll snap at any given moment.

Also, I don't know where Bronco fans could ever have gotten the notion that a strong armed and mobile QB could make great things happen? Where ever would such a notion arise?

So because Elway was sucessful here we should always be on the lookout for another Elway instead of taking a Marino or Montana that will likely be a better fit for not only our current system, but the current NFL? Good point.

Having a good arm doesn't automatically make a person smart enough to grasp an NFL playbook or learn NFL defensive tendencies enough to make the right reads or throws. It also doesn't make them improve their mechanics so that they aren't throwing wild passes to the defense (see: Boller, Kyle and Cutler, Jay). This league is dominated by QBs with less than ideal arm strength and speed, but a good head on their shoulders. Forgive me if I think that QBs that are proven performers in college have a better chance of succeeding than ones that have good combine measurables.

I could care less that anyone doesn't like Clausen as a person if he can help out the team. I hate Phillip Rivers' attitude, but I would be ecstatic if we somehow got him on our team. Your 9th grade, petty BS with regards to Clausen is moronic at best and does nothing to advance any football discussion.

HAT
02-19-2010, 08:53 AM
We need to bide our time then move for Jake "Hurt" Locker.

Let's see you know it alls flame that move.

You will.

I agree about the biding time thing...But to make a 'move' for Locker would be a mistake. If he is there when they pick...fine.

But if they are going to mortgage future picks to move up for their QBOTF, they may as well wait another year or two for Luck.

oubronco
02-19-2010, 09:30 AM
So because Elway was sucessful here we should always be on the lookout for another Elway instead of taking a Marino or Montana that will likely be a better fit for not only our current system, but the current NFL? Good point.

Having a good arm doesn't automatically make a person smart enough to grasp an NFL playbook or learn NFL defensive tendencies enough to make the right reads or throws. It also doesn't make them improve their mechanics so that they aren't throwing wild passes to the defense (see: Boller, Kyle and Cutler, Jay). This league is dominated by QBs with less than ideal arm strength and speed, but a good head on their shoulders. Forgive me if I think that QBs that are proven performers in college have a better chance of succeeding than ones that have good combine measurables.

I could care less that anyone doesn't like Clausen as a person if he can help out the team. I hate Phillip Rivers' attitude, but I would be ecstatic if we somehow got him on our team. Your 9th grade, petty BS with regards to Clausen is moronic at best and does nothing to advance any football discussion.

Well Hell Yes thats what every team does

RaiderH8r
02-19-2010, 09:40 AM
I agree about the biding time thing...But to make a 'move' for Locker would be a mistake. If he is there when they pick...fine.

But if they are going to mortgage future picks to move up for their QBOTF, they may as well wait another year or two for Luck.

Agreed. No need to go Ditka on it, or even Fonzi Smith. Hopefully that lesson was learned.

misturanderson
02-19-2010, 11:46 AM
Well Hell Yes thats what every team does

And they have all failed. There will not be another Elway. The game has changed to the point that QBs will not be asked to do what Elway did. They will need to be more like Manning from now on because that's where the new league rules are taking the game. A QB needs to have amazing timing and accuracy and be a student of the game. A QB does not need to be able to outrun LBs for 40 yards or throw the ball 60 yards from a flat footed stance. It might help if he can do the other things well, but those elite physical attributes are far less important.

Our offense doesn't have a need for a scrambling QB. The offense will run at its best when we have a QB that can drop back and make the right throw to the open guy as soon as he gets open. We need a drop back passer like Manning, Brady, Warner, or Montana, not a poor man's Elway.

Lolad
02-19-2010, 03:20 PM
I think we need an accurate mobile QB. I'm not even talking Vick mobile just know when to slide in the pocket or walk for a 1st down on a critical 3rd and 2 situation with NOBODY in front of you. Instead opting to throw the ball in the dirt with no chance to make a play.

Not the boneheaded play on 3rd and 15 where you finally decide you want to run and get stopped 5 yards short.

uplink
02-20-2010, 12:41 AM
Don't buy it, all the reporters want Brandon to stay since he gives them column material and maybe Josina gets a bit more.

oubronco
02-20-2010, 08:28 AM
And they have all failed. There will not be another Elway. The game has changed to the point that QBs will not be asked to do what Elway did. They will need to be more like Manning from now on because that's where the new league rules are taking the game. A QB needs to have amazing timing and accuracy and be a student of the game. A QB does not need to be able to outrun LBs for 40 yards or throw the ball 60 yards from a flat footed stance. It might help if he can do the other things well, but those elite physical attributes are far less important.

Our offense doesn't have a need for a scrambling QB. The offense will run at its best when we have a QB that can drop back and make the right throw to the open guy as soon as he gets open. We need a drop back passer like Manning, Brady, Warner, or Montana, not a poor man's Elway.

QB's of Elways caliber don't come around very often and when you have a chance to draft one you think could be you had damn well better take him cause if you don't the next team will

Rausch 2.0
02-20-2010, 08:41 AM
It's almost laughable how similar KC and Denber's problems are...

elsid13
02-20-2010, 08:57 AM
Yes, but Locker also doesn't put up good stats and has a terrible completion percentage in a weak conference. There is no denying that he's a physical specimen, but it is a stretch to say that he is a better QB than Bradford or Clausen. He could end up being one, but he certainly hasn't shown anything to prove that he will be.

When will you people get it through your heads that scrambling ability and a strong arm are not the most important attributes of an NFL QB? The mental game is far more important as long as they have adequate physical ability and adequate physical ability is pretty underwhelming for a QB compared to almost any other position in the game. You absolutely do not have to be an elite athlete to play QB, but you do have to make good decisions with the ball.

I also try not to base my opinion of someone as a football player on the way their face looks, but that's just me.

It not a stretch at all. The PAC-10 was far better football conference then you are making it out to be. Locker just spent his first season in PRO style offense that produce QBs such as Palmer, Brady, Sanchez and Leinhart. He going to get better as Shark spend more time development and coaching him. Also Locker played behind an pretty poor line and didn't get much help from the skill positions on that team. Playing behind a poor line actually helps because it will simulate the decision time he will face in the pros. By the time it said and done, Locker has potential to the top pick in the draft and very good pro.

BTW System don't win games, talented players do.

elsid13
02-20-2010, 08:57 AM
It's almost laughable how similar KC and Denber's problems are...

Wonder if it because of NE influence.

~Crash~
02-20-2010, 11:06 AM
I can teach the playbook, I can't teach strong arm and mobility.

I loathe Claussen, he should be a Raider and Bradford looks like he'll snap at any given moment.
Also, I don't know where Bronco fans could ever have gotten the notion that a strong armed and mobile QB could make great things happen? Where ever would such a notion arise?

Go look at Brady Rookie work out ....lol my god what a pussy..so...