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TDmvp
02-17-2010, 07:05 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4922833

Man-Goblin
02-17-2010, 07:27 PM
And he instantly becomes the best player Lebron has ever played with.

Btw, the Bulls just cleared more cap room by trading Salmons. This not only opens the door for the Nuggets to land Ty Thomas (since he and Salmons were figured to be a package deal) but it makes the Bulls by FAR the most attractive landing spot for Lebron, Wade, Bosh, or whoever the hell else wants to win a bunch of championships.

RhymesayersDU
02-17-2010, 07:35 PM
Really want the Nuggies to land Thomas. He's exactly what they need.

TDmvp
02-17-2010, 07:39 PM
almost feel bad for Ilgauskas

Jerry Curl
02-17-2010, 07:54 PM
He'll get bought out and will be on the cavs/mavs after.

RhymesayersDU
02-17-2010, 07:58 PM
He'll get bought out and will be on the cavs/mavs after.

Not necessarily. Phoenix was going to buy him out, word is the Clips want to keep him, especially after trading Camby.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2010, 08:10 PM
Not necessarily. Phoenix was going to buy him out, word is the Clips want to keep him, especially after trading Camby.

Washington got Ilgauskas not the Clippers. I would assume that the Cavs had a understanding that Z would be bought out and brought back. If not then I think the trade is a failure. Gooden was sent to LA so maybe they will keep him. Early reports said they would dump him.

SouthStndJunkie
02-17-2010, 08:28 PM
Antawn Jamison is a better fit for them than Amare Stoudemire in my opinion.

RhymesayersDU
02-17-2010, 08:43 PM
Washington got Ilgauskas not the Clippers. I would assume that the Cavs had a understanding that Z would be bought out and brought back. If not then I think the trade is a failure. Gooden was sent to LA so maybe they will keep him. Early reports said they would dump him.

Oh, hmmm.

Anyways, I wouldn't call it a failure. Z's a nice player but Jamison is a great one. Whether or not you get Z, your team is better.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2010, 08:46 PM
Oh, hmmm.

Anyways, I wouldn't call it a failure. Z's a nice player but Jamison is a great one. Whether or not you get Z, your team is better.

I just think it would be crap that he gets traded for all that he has done for the team only to see them move on and win a championship without him should the Cavs win.

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-17-2010, 10:08 PM
Did someone say Jamison was great? He's a good player, a good guy, but he's not a great defender and doesn't open up for his own shot. It's not an earth-shattering move.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-17-2010, 10:39 PM
Did someone say Jamison was great? He's a good player, a good guy, but he's not a great defender and doesn't open up for his own shot. It's not an earth-shattering move.

Jamison can definitely create his own shot down low. I dont know what you've been watching. Its a good move for the Cavs because it gives them flexibility and provides Lebron another proven go to. And they gave up nothing for him considering i assume Z will be back (but even if he doesn't, still a nice upgrade).

jsco70
02-17-2010, 11:10 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else think it's ridiculous a player, like Z, can be traded, but then get bought out and simply go re-sign with the team that traded them? I also hate how players who are retired, like Keith Van Horn was a couple of years ago, can still be included in trades. These rules seem to allow the rich/good teams to continually take advantage of the poor/lousy teams. The result is teams like Denver, whose owner is more interested in soccer and football and thus won't spend the cash, can't get over the hump.

As for the Cavs, personally, I would be more confident if they picked up Amare. Despite the fact he's defense is suspect, he's a dynamic scorer who would be unstoppable running with Lebron. It will be interesting to see if the Heat can grab him. D-Wade and Amare could also become a factor down the stretch.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2010, 11:28 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else think it's ridiculous a player, like Z, can be traded, but then get bought out and simply go re-sign with the team that traded them? I also hate how players who are retired, like Keith Van Horn was a couple of years ago, can still be included in trades. These rules seem to allow the rich/good teams to continually take advantage of the poor/lousy teams. The result is teams like Denver, whose owner is more interested in soccer and football and thus won't spend the cash, can't get over the hump.

As for the Cavs, personally, I would be more confident if they picked up Amare. Despite the fact he's defense is suspect, he's a dynamic scorer who would be unstoppable running with Lebron. It will be interesting to see if the Heat can grab him. D-Wade and Amare could also become a factor down the stretch.

Not many would argue that Amare would be a bigger upgrade then Jamison. The biggest advantage Jamison had over Amare in the trade is what the Cavs had to give to get him. The Cavs will have Jameson, Powe, Hickson, and Varejao at PF. When Ilgauskas comes back they will have a better bench this way. I got this off another board. It's a pretty good break down between the pros and cons of Amare vs Jamison. The part about James driving and drawing defenders for Jamison to take the open three gives me hope that this will work out for the Cavs.

"Antawn Jamison, on the other hand, would offer the Cavaliers another threat from downtown. Unlike Stoudemire, Jamison can step back from beyond the arc, launching about four treys per game at a 34.5 FG% clip, which is equivalent to 51.8 eFG%. Jamison would surely welcome playing alongside LeBron James since the North Carolina product is completely dependent on his teammates to draw his defenders to get open perimeter shots. And LeBron does that better than anybody. In fact, in the last two seasons, none of Jamison's 170 converted threes were created off the dribble unassisted. Not one."

"Stoudemire's clearly the superior offensive option from an efficiency standpoint, besting Jamison in every area inside the 3-point line. Even for a power forward, Jamison has a really poor mid-range game. He easily has the worst conversion rate on long twos among the the power forwards that feature that weapon consistently, tarnishing his reputation as an asset shooter. Although, he still can show that delicate touch around the basket that made him a dream to watch in his early years. From an efficiency standpoint, I prefer Stoudemire hands down. But of course, things aren't always that simple."

"If I'm acquiring Stoudemire, I have to be cognizant of the Nash effect [...] and temper my expectations accordingly even with LeBron's ability to create shots for his teammates. Is Stoudemire really a 50% shooter from the mid-range? No. But he's still probably much better than Jamison from there."

"The Cavs already feature three lights out 3-point shooters in Anthony Parker, Mo Williams and Daniel Gibson but none of them play a position above the two. As is, three-pointers make up about a quarter of their shot selection which ranks eighth most in the NBA. J.J. Hickson, Anderson Varejao, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and Shaquille O'Neal have zero 3-point range whatsoever so there is a need on the Cavs roster to have a stretch big who can knock down threes. I'm just not sold that Jamison is that guy. Plenty of players earn the reputation as a stretch four but few warrant the label effectively. For a power forward, Jamison is about average from three point line and qualitatively not a good mid-range shooter. It seems to me that the general perception believes Jamison is a good fit for the Cavs only because he has a perimeter game. But the real question we should be asking ourselves isn't whether Jamison has a perimeter game but instead, whether he has an efficient perimeter game-- which he does not. The search for the Cavs' Rashard Lewis shouldn't end with Antawn Jamison. He can't sniff Lewis beyond the arc."

"Contracts and financials aside, I would much rather have Stoudemire working the pick and roll and terrorizing the basket rather than hoping Jamison suddenly turns into a sharpshooter. The Cavs cannot afford to risk allowing Jamison to take a handful of low-percentage shots per game just because he looks like a shooter. As much as the Cavs might believe they're a big piece or two away from winning the title, I think it's more accurate to believe they were always just a bounce or two away."

jsco70
02-17-2010, 11:45 PM
Not many would argue that Amare would be a bigger upgrade then Jamison. The biggest advantage Jamison had over Amare in the trade is what the Cavs had to give to get him. The Cavs will have Jameson, Powe, Hickson, and Varejao at PF. When Ilgauskas comes back they will have a better bench this way. I got this off another board. It's a pretty good break down between the pros and cons of Amare vs Jamison. The part about James driving and drawing defenders for Jamison to take the open three gives me hope that this will work out for the Cavs.



Good point on the difference between what they had to offer. Seems they are pretty convinced to Hickson is a keeper. Regardless of this or any other trade, I believed from the start the Cavs will make the finals. They were probably good enough to win the championship with LBJ, Shaq, let alone another solid player.

Now if the Nuggets can keep up in the West. I don't see a move they can make to significantly improve without trading JR Smith. Despite the fact he can be erratic, his presence on the floor makes a huge difference. Teams have to account for him. Perhaps they will rally around Karl. Should be an interesting couple of months for NBA fans.

montrose
02-17-2010, 11:48 PM
I've always liked Jamison, not a superstar but a really good sidekick. I think he'll fit in well with the Cavs.

DBroncos4life
02-18-2010, 12:20 AM
http://twitter.com/wojyahooNBA

Here is a interesting tweet saying if Tracy McGrady is bought out he would want to join the Lakers or the Cavs.

ZONA
02-18-2010, 02:31 AM
The Cavs really wanted Amare because he's alot younger then Jamison and by having Amare on the team, they would hope that would give a message to James that they are commited to winning, and he could be more easily swayed to resign. But the Suns were not liking what the Cavs had to offer and I can't blame them. Amare in return for a bunch of crap, no thanks. If anybody wants to sign Amare next year, it's going to cost them at least 18 million in the first year. We'll see who's willing to pay it. He's a FA but he has an option year with the Suns where if he wanted to return, they have to pay him like 18 million so I'm sure he will take the highest money and he does like it in Phoenix.

I'm sure some people are skeptical of the "Nash" affect, but I think that's mostly media talk. Nash had a horrible game today against the Mavs and Amare had a monster game, including like 4 blocked shots, 14 boards and 30 points, most of which were not off the pick and roll. It was simply him just hitting those mid range jumpers and taking it to the hole from the low post, and some offensive boards.

.........oh yeah, and during the game tonight, somebody said Dirk is the best big man shooter the game has ever seen. I think Larry Bird might have something to say in regards to that, lol.

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-18-2010, 04:50 AM
.........oh yeah, and during the game tonight, somebody said Dirk is the best big man shooter the game has ever seen. I think Larry Bird might have something to say in regards to that, lol.

Emphasis on the "big man" part, though. People tend to overlook Dirk being 7 feet tall and doing what he does.

RhymesayersDU
02-18-2010, 05:29 AM
Did someone say Jamison was great? He's a good player, a good guy, but he's not a great defender and doesn't open up for his own shot. It's not an earth-shattering move.

I admit I don't ever see the Wizards play unless it's against the Nuggies, but he's averaging 20 & 10, and thus I think he's a good-to-great player.

I think it's a significant move that really helps the Cavs.

cutthemdown
02-18-2010, 06:34 AM
Cavs will be tough to beat, but I still think Lakers can play better and get it done.

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-18-2010, 06:53 AM
Kevin Martin to the Rockets now. I thought it would be a good move for Houston until I saw they had to give up Carl Landry in the deal.

worm
02-18-2010, 06:55 AM
Watching the Cavs front office is like watching the dude that lucked into the incredibly hot girl friend....do everything he can to try and keep her happy, while her mind was made up a long time ago to take the first exit plan that doesn't make her look like a bitch. That plan gets executed 7\1.

IMO, the Cavs get one more chance at this this year. Win or lose, I think LeBron is gone and the Cavs become irrelevant again.

Man-Goblin
02-18-2010, 07:02 AM
Watching the Cavs front office is like watching the dude that lucked into the incredibly hot girl friend....do everything he can to try and keep her happy, while her mind was made up a long time ago to take the first exit plan that doesn't make her look like a b****. That plan gets executed 7\1.

IMO, the Cavs get one more chance at this this year. Win or lose, I think LeBron is gone and the Cavs become irrelevant again.

If they win it all, he's not going to leave this year. That being said, he probably won't sign anything longer than a 3 year contract.

DBroncos4life
02-18-2010, 07:07 AM
Watching the Cavs front office is like watching the dude that lucked into the incredibly hot girl friend....do everything he can to try and keep her happy, while her mind was made up a long time ago to take the first exit plan that doesn't make her look like a b****. That plan gets executed 7\1.

IMO, the Cavs get one more chance at this this year. Win or lose, I think LeBron is gone and the Cavs become irrelevant again.

I would be shocked if he left. You don't think he is building a 35,000 foot house in Ohio with a casino in it to spend the majority of his time elsewhere do you?
http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/11402547/detail.html

I do get a kick out of Knicks fans though. They seem to think that NY is the meca of the basketball world. When is the last time they landed anyone of note? The Garden is a great place to play, and its even better for players like Bryant, Wade and James to go there and play because the Knicks have no one to guard them. Also for some odd reason people think that James will become even more famous should he sign elsewhere. Like he isn't known around the world now as it is.

James might leave, I doubt it though but if he does I will still be a Cavs fan. I was before he got there and I will if he leaves.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2010, 08:12 AM
I would be shocked if he left. You don't think he is building a 35,000 foot house in Ohio with a casino in it to spend the majority of his time elsewhere do you?
http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/11402547/detail.html

I do get a kick out of Knicks fans though. They seem to think that NY is the meca of the basketball world. When is the last time they landed anyone of note? The Garden is a great place to play, and its even better for players like Bryant, Wade and James to go there and play because the Knicks have no one to guard them. Also for some odd reason people think that James will become even more famous should he sign elsewhere. Like he isn't known around the world now as it is.

James might leave, I doubt it though but if he does I will still be a Cavs fan. I was before he got there and I will if he leaves.


Knicks fans think NYC is the basketball mecca of the world...because its known as the basketball mecca of the world. Have you ever heard Bron wax poetically about playing in the Garden?

Now, its a LONGSHOT, but if the knicks unload Jared Jefferies today, they will have room for 2 max players, next years midlevel exemption, and the lower one. The knicks can offer Lebron a unique opportunity to build an entire team the way he wants it to be built and also to bring the greatest basketball city in the world to its feet. If Bron comes to the Knicks it'll be the biggest thing in the city. Lets just say the knicks sign Bron and Bosh/Wade. Then get a big with the midlevel to go along with Gallinari and Wilson Chandler. Right away they are contenders.

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-20-2010, 08:21 AM
Ballin'.

ohiobronco2
02-20-2010, 11:44 AM
Ballin'.

:poke:

RhymesayersDU
02-20-2010, 02:41 PM
Ballin'.

Yeah, definition of a rough start. I still love the trade for them though.