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~Crash~
02-11-2010, 04:15 PM
Handing the ball off to Moreno on 1st and 3rd downs was a negative proposition for the Broncos in 2009. And the Broncos did just that 176 times during the season

this was some kind of break down by one of the posters on mile high report about a detailed personell break down as we are going to get as fans . this was damn fine work .

Ran (So Far Away) -- The Story of the Broncos Running Game in 2009
by TJ Johnson on Feb 10, 2010 9:30 AM MS


http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/2/10/1301996/i-ran-so-far-away-the-story-of-the#storyjump

watermock
02-11-2010, 04:19 PM
But he's not fat!

watermock
02-11-2010, 04:23 PM
. Denver should have run more often around the ends of the line, especially after Ryan Harris went down.


Duh!

Pitch left seemed absent, despite a TD clone in Moreno and Clady and Graham to block.

Every time we ran pitch left, it worked.

Instead, Beavis would place 3 wide the side and try to overload at the wrong spot.

He should of overloaded on the weak side on running plays.

PRBronco
02-11-2010, 04:28 PM
That was an excellent read, thanks.

jhns
02-11-2010, 04:34 PM
Can someone break down what exactly their points mean? I went through that link and this one: http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/2/3/1286724/bang-your-head-sanity-in-the and I don't understand it. Maybe I missed something that explained it.

tsiguy96
02-11-2010, 04:34 PM
this was probably the most frustrating thing about mcdaniels, his stubbornness in sticking with a running plan that did not work at all. running it up the gut all year for no yards sucked. i dont know why he continued to do it.

Rohirrim
02-11-2010, 04:48 PM
It's going to be tough to fix in one season. Top of the list is LG, followed by C. Given Ryan Harris' history, they need a better back-up RT. Maybe they should just go ahead and take Bulaga. He can play anywhere on the line.

PRBronco
02-11-2010, 04:50 PM
It's going to be tough to fix in one season. Top of the list is LG, followed by C. Given Ryan Harris' history, they need a better back-up RT. Maybe they should just go ahead and take Bulaga. He can play anywhere on the line.

If only the Giants hadn't snatched Herb right out from under our noses!

misturanderson
02-11-2010, 05:19 PM
Can someone break down what exactly their points mean? I went through that link and this one: http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/2/3/1286724/bang-your-head-sanity-in-the and I don't understand it. Maybe I missed something that explained it.

Somehow it equates each run behind each position to a number of points scored (I believe). That's why Moreno's 4th down scoring is so high. I have no idea what kind of formula he used and I doubt he will be doing it with many other teams to give a comparison.

DBroncos4life
02-11-2010, 05:24 PM
It's going to be tough to fix in one season. Top of the list is LG, followed by C. Given Ryan Harris' history, they need a better back-up RT. Maybe they should just go ahead and take Bulaga. He can play anywhere on the line.

I bet it would be easier/quicker to find a system that fits the players we have now. Just a thought though.

watermock
02-11-2010, 05:27 PM
Our line wasn't a huge problem before wonderkid came along.

Now that both Dennison and Turner are gone I expect great things.

~Crash~
02-11-2010, 05:35 PM
Also total yards thought each players hole .

He was way to hard on Kuper in the discussing part Kuper is only a second year starter and was going thew a first year in a new system and was damn fine in his blocking with Harris beside him . there was some kick ass runs early in the season by Cbuck thew kupers hole.

Kuper will be a damn fine player next year I stand buy the idea he is just as important as Dvile and Marshall .

~Crash~
02-11-2010, 05:36 PM
Can someone break down what exactly their points mean? I went through that link and this one: http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/2/3/1286724/bang-your-head-sanity-in-the and I don't understand it. Maybe I missed something that explained it.

go look at the discussing part it is all kicked around.......

watermock
02-11-2010, 05:38 PM
Where are the spelling Nazis?

TonyR
02-11-2010, 05:38 PM
Our line wasn't a huge problem before wonderkid came along.

Now that both Dennison and Turner are gone I expect great things.

Our line was healthy before "wonderkid" came along.

And my god some of you have made legends out of Dennison and Turner. I think the world will keep rotating without them in Denver.

cabronco
02-11-2010, 05:44 PM
this was probably the most frustrating thing about mcdaniels, his stubbornness in sticking with a running plan that did not work at all. running it up the gut all year for no yards sucked. i dont know why he continued to do it.

I gave up on trying to figure that one out. Only thing I could attribute it too was stubborness. I've seen when a play runs off for a big gain, sometimes a coach will run the same play until they stop it. But when its a gain of zero or negative yardage, why would you run it over & over ? Somebody was calling Moreno the battering ram, Im sure he felt like one too.

misturanderson
02-11-2010, 05:48 PM
I bet it would be easier/quicker to find a system that fits the players we have now. Just a thought though.

The players we have now suck for the most part. Using the ZBS isn't going to change that and it certainly won't help our short yardage game or pass pro. It would be a bandaid that would only be covering up (maybe) the problem that is our ****ty OL.

~Crash~
02-11-2010, 05:49 PM
Mock before we won the SB's the NFL was fine with full Cut blocks . after two SB's the league banned us from two lineman engaged with one low.

yes we were OK still but it was never the same they gave teams with fat Oline an advantage not only that you add in the the D line is now 20 pounds heavier on average and you add in that our inter is the same that is not a good place to be .

zdoor
02-11-2010, 06:40 PM
Mock before we won the SB's the NFL was fine with full Cut blocks . after two SB's the league banned us from two lineman engaged with one low.

yes we were OK still but it was never the same they gave teams with fat Oline an advantage not only that you add in the the D line is now 20 pounds heavier on average and you add in that our inter is the same that is not a good place to be .

Agree Completely...

Rohirrim
02-11-2010, 06:43 PM
I bet it would be easier/quicker to find a system that fits the players we have now. Just a thought though.

Like I've said on here before, first you build a line that can get you one yard, anywhere on the field, anytime in the game, and no matter what the down. Then, you work back from there. I'm just tired of watching the Broncos get stuffed on the line (extending back to Shanahan's days too). I want us to be able to dictate to the defense, by force - not keep trying to win by technique.

TonyR
02-11-2010, 06:52 PM
like i've said on here before, first you build a line that can get you one yard, anywhere on the field, anytime in the game, and no matter what the down. Then, you work back from there. I'm just tired of watching the broncos get stuffed on the line (extending back to shanahan's days too). I want us to be able to dictate to the defense, by force - not keep trying to win by technique.

Amen!!!