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tsiguy96
02-09-2010, 12:56 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/lavar_arrington_responds_to_cl.html

this is great stuff, absolutely listen to this as it applies to a lot more than just football if you think of his message

cmhargrove
02-09-2010, 01:14 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/lavar_arrington_responds_to_cl.html

this is great stuff, absolutely listen to this as it applies to a lot more than just football if you think of his message

Good for Lavar.

I remember watching the Portis interview the other day and my mouth was just hanging open wondering why he was saying what he was saying. There might also be some more beef with Sellers after that interview.

Portis just talks too much, and some discussions should always be kept between teammates.

watermock
02-09-2010, 01:17 PM
This has nothing to do with Portis.

Everyone think we got some robbery from that deal.

We got a huge contrract and a bust.

In fact, Portis' contract was dwarfed by Bailey's.

OBF1
02-09-2010, 01:21 PM
I like him talking in 2nd person.... LaVar is a flava clown of the 1st order.

watermock
02-09-2010, 01:23 PM
The FACT is, Shanahan would not negotiate new deals untill the last year.

Now look at what has happened!

BM, Kuper, Hillis, Doom, (Cutler) ALL no mention of even negotiation.

Like I said a year ago, the whole class of 06 will be gone.

watermock
02-09-2010, 01:27 PM
And BTW, Portis gave everything he had, and is the skin's second leading rusher in an age of the pass.

baja
02-09-2010, 01:31 PM
The FACT is, Shanahan would not negotiate new deals untill the last year.

Now look at what has happened!

BM, Kuper, Hillis, Doom, (Cutler) ALL no mention of even negotiation.

Like I said a year ago, the whole class of 06 will be gone.

I'm beginning to think you are not fond of coach mcDaniels.

Taco John
02-09-2010, 01:48 PM
That was a pretty great pep talk.

MplsBronco
02-09-2010, 01:53 PM
God, I agree with mock. I need a shower. Letting Portis go was a huge mistake. Dude was spectacular.

broncswin
02-09-2010, 01:59 PM
God, I agree with mock. I need a shower. Letting Portis go was a huge mistake. Dude was spectacular.

I think Champ has been way more important to this franchise than Portis ever would've been

watermock
02-09-2010, 02:06 PM
I'm beginning to think you are not fond of coach mcDaniels.

How amusing. Just figure that out?

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 02:07 PM
The FACT is, Shanahan would not negotiate new deals untill the last year.

Now look at what has happened!

BM, Kuper, Hillis, Doom, (Cutler) ALL no mention of even negotiation.

Like I said a year ago, the whole class of 06 will be gone.

Is this a Shanny rant or a McPoopyPants rant??

watermock
02-09-2010, 02:11 PM
God, I agree with mock. I need a shower. Letting Portis go was a huge mistake. Dude was spectacular.


I don't know if that was sarcasm, but a RB like Portis touches the ball more.

The fact Shanahan couldn't draft WTF for years untill the Goodmans has now been replaced by even more incopmpetence.

LonghornBronco
02-09-2010, 02:12 PM
I have to dissagree. Champ is a far more valuable player than Clinton ever thought of being.

tsiguy96
02-09-2010, 02:12 PM
Is this a Shanny rant or a McPoopyPants rant??

hes either combining them, or mixing them up. not sure which yet.

Doggcow
02-09-2010, 02:13 PM
I have to dissagree. Champ is a far more valuable player than Clinton ever thought of being.

Best Corner of All Time > Solid Workhorse RB any way you slice it.

watermock
02-09-2010, 02:18 PM
I have to dissagree. Champ is a far more valuable player than Clinton ever thought of being.

That isn't the issue.

Was Getting a QB salary CB and a bust RB worth the trade?

I've listened how that trade was so fantastic for 5 years.

Who picked off Manning and Favre for 2 pick 6's?

An UDFA.

bowtown
02-09-2010, 02:21 PM
I don't know if that was sarcasm, but a RB like Portis touches the ball more.


That's the point, idiot. He's supposed to touch the ball more than your shutdown corner. Portis is not even top 5 at his position this decade. Champ is one of the greatest ever at his. We owe the playoffs in 2006 to Champ. This is an absurd argument.

DarkHorse
02-09-2010, 02:21 PM
Who was Lavar Arrington?

Cliff notes on what was said on both sides?

tsiguy96
02-09-2010, 02:23 PM
That's the point, idiot. He's supposed to touch the ball more than your shutdown corner. Portis is not even top 5 at his position this decade. Champ is one of the greatest ever at his. We owe the playoffs in 2006 to Champ. This is an absurd argument.

in 06 champ had what may be the best year for a cornerback, ever. i dont think portis has broken the top 25 with any of his years.

watermock
02-09-2010, 02:25 PM
Best Corner of All Time > Solid Workhorse RB any way you slice it.

Portis wasn't a workhorse back like Morono, plus, we paid him what washington would not.

It's more important to have 5 corners thanone great one, especially isf your goig to isolate him on on side.

barryr
02-09-2010, 02:26 PM
I supported the trade for Bailey since really good CB's are harder to find and Shanahan had more a history of finding good RB's than CB's in the draft.

cmhargrove
02-09-2010, 02:27 PM
Who was Lavar Arrington?

Cliff notes on what was said on both sides?

Let's see if this works. It was an interview for NFL Network that originally was asking Portis if he was excited to play for Shanahan again, then he gets pressed on the issue (because he asked to leave the Broncos). Then, he gets into the team strife that occurred between Redskins this year (makes comments about Sellers and Arrington). The Sellers thing is pretty funny on the outside, but probably not very good for team harmony.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-player-interviews/09000d5d8163a46e/Portis-looking-to-2010

Jason7730
02-09-2010, 02:27 PM
This has nothing to do with Portis.

Everyone think we got some robbery from that deal.

We got a huge contrract and a bust.

In fact, Portis' contract was dwarfed by Bailey's.

Yeah, Champ has really been a bust for us...........:rofl:

theAPAOps5
02-09-2010, 02:27 PM
This was the best trade ever. Portis hasn't done shiat compared to Bailey. If you think otherwise you just have hate blinders on right now. Remember the last playoff win at home? If not let me refresh your memory, Bailey won that game for us. Bailey has been everything and more for the Broncos. Portis has been just so-so for Washington.

Ray Finkle
02-09-2010, 02:28 PM
That isn't the issue.

Was Getting a QB salary CB and a bust RB worth the trade?

I've listened how that trade was so fantastic for 5 years.

Who picked off Manning and Favre for 2 pick 6's?

An UDFA.

Porter was drafted in the second round....

baja
02-09-2010, 02:47 PM
How amusing. Just figure that out?

So it's true then.

Killericon
02-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Bailey would've been worth it if it was just for his 2005 and 2006 seasons. We didn't have any problem with our running back production until after the Bells. And it's not like we were gonna spend Bailey's massive amount of money anywhere else. Shanahan traded Portis on the theory that he would'nt have trouble finding players to fill the void. He was right.

Dedhed
02-09-2010, 03:02 PM
I thought his point about dressing up like a fairy to get attention being disrespectful to the forefathers of the game was rather poignant.

broncswin
02-09-2010, 03:26 PM
That isn't the issue.

Was Getting a QB salary CB and a bust RB worth the trade?

I've listened how that trade was so fantastic for 5 years.

Who picked off Manning and Favre for 2 pick 6's?

An UDFA.

Ya they got those picks because the ball was forced their way...no one wanted to throw at champ at that time:thumbsup:

broncswin
02-09-2010, 03:28 PM
That's the point, idiot. He's supposed to touch the ball more than your shutdown corner. Portis is not even top 5 at his position this decade. Champ is one of the greatest ever at his. We owe the playoffs in 2006 to Champ. This is an absurd argument.

just mock being mock aka-dumba$$

Chris
02-09-2010, 03:28 PM
That isn't the issue.

Was Getting a QB salary CB and a bust RB worth the trade?

I've listened how that trade was so fantastic for 5 years.

Who picked off Manning and Favre for 2 pick 6's?

An UDFA.

It's funny how your avatar doesn't look much like McD but looks exactly like how I imagine you to.

yerner
02-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Portis is an idiot. I thought he was amusing for awhile but the dude is a selfish joke with a very low IQ. Just a very dumb human being.

Anybody who thinks that we didn't rape Washington in that trade is a moron too.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 03:33 PM
That isn't the issue.

Was Getting a QB salary CB and a bust RB worth the trade?

I've listened how that trade was so fantastic for 5 years.

Who picked off Manning and Favre for 2 pick 6's?

An UDFA.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2qkhyj9.png

Erm, what?

watermock
02-09-2010, 03:41 PM
ESPN said he was.

Zoobie
02-09-2010, 03:44 PM
ESPN said he was.

i somehow doubt that

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 03:45 PM
ESPN said he was.

Did they really? I doubt it.

watermock
02-09-2010, 03:53 PM
We got a much better trade for Cutler, altho we blew the picks.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 03:55 PM
We got a much better trade for Cutler, altho we blew the picks.

http://frankierants.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/broken-record-765056.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein
02-09-2010, 04:40 PM
God, I agree with mock. I need a shower. Letting Portis go was a huge mistake. Dude was spectacular.

Oh holy goddamn you have to be kidding me. Champ for Portis straight up was a total steal for us. Add in the production we got from Tatum Bell when he was paired with Mike Anderson. Champ is a hall of famer, with several years of productivity ahead of him. Portis is a side show looking at the wrong side of thirty.

misturanderson
02-09-2010, 04:50 PM
Oh holy goddamn you have to be kidding me. Champ for Portis straight up was a total steal for us. Add in the production we got from Tatum Bell when he was paired with Mike Anderson. Champ is a hall of famer, with several years of productivity ahead of him. Portis is a side show looking at the wrong side of thirty.

While I agree that the trade worked out much better for us than for the redskins, Portis was unstoppable in Denver. He was getting 1500 yard rushing, 300 yard receiving, 15 TD years like they were nothing. He averaged 5.5 YARDS PER CARRY as a Bronco. On a team that was led by Jake Plummer! That is unbelievable. I have never seen a guy run into a pile at the line and pop out the other side for 5 yards like he did.

If he stayed here and didn't get injured, he would have been in the conversation as one of the top 5 RBs of all time if not the best ever.

I don't think it was a bad decision to trade for Bailey (especially considering Shanny's complete inability to scout and develop corners), but Portis wasn't the bum that he is now, and he probably wouldn't have ended up that way if he had stayed on our team.

Dr. Broncenstein
02-09-2010, 05:00 PM
While I agree that the trade worked out much better for us than for the redskins, Portis was unstoppable in Denver. He was getting 1500 yard rushing, 300 yard receiving, 15 TD years like they were nothing. He averaged 5.5 YARDS PER CARRY as a Bronco. On a team that was led by Jake Plummer! That is unbelievable. I have never seen a guy run into a pile at the line and pop out the other side for 5 yards like he did.

If he stayed here and didn't get injured, he would have been in the conversation as one of the top 5 RBs of all time if not the best ever.

I don't think it was a bad decision to trade for Bailey (especially considering Shanny's complete inability to scout and develop corners), but Portis wasn't the bum that he is now, and he probably wouldn't have ended up that way if he had stayed on our team.

We had almost 2000 yards from the combo of Anderson and Tatum Bell... on a "team led by Jake Plummer." There was absolutely no dropoff in the running game production after the trade until Mike Anderson was allowed to leave.

Another point alltogether is your jab at Plummer. I'm not suprised you feel this way about him, given your revisionist / hypothetical historian takes on Portis. Plummer was a winner, period. His stats weren't shabby either.

watermock
02-09-2010, 05:30 PM
Portis was 23 when traded, he still had 2 years on his rookie deal, and it was only 4 years. I know he had 2 left. Portis put on 20 and is he 2nd leading all time rushing for
wash.

Champ was older and franchised. And we paid like a franchise QB.

Tater was a product of the ZBS.

misturanderson
02-09-2010, 05:32 PM
We had almost 2000 yards from the combo of Anderson and Tatum Bell... on a "team led by Jake Plummer." There was absolutely no dropoff in the running game production after the trade until Mike Anderson was allowed to leave.

Another point alltogether is your jab at Plummer. I'm not suprised you feel this way about him, given your revisionist / hypothetical historian takes on Portis. Plummer was a winner, period. His stats weren't shabby either.

They weren't carrying the ball at a 5.5 yard/carry average. THAT is what was so ridiculous about Portis. He was extremely consistent AND had the speed to take it to the house. Even in the year when all Tatum did was run garbage time and get long TDs after the defense was worn out, he didn't manage 5.5 yards/carry.

To pretend that Anderson and Bell were even remotely on the same level as Portis is foolish.

Plummer was decent, but his presence didn't improve the running game. That was all I was saying about him. I'm not sure what I said that was "revisionist."

Just to clarify, I still think that Bailey is better than Portis and we got the better end of the deal, I just don't think that people are being fair to Portis considering how well he played while he was here.

epicSocialism4tw
02-09-2010, 05:39 PM
Champ Bailey has been so much better than Clinton Portis that the comparison is laughable.

watermock
02-09-2010, 05:45 PM
Dd we pay Portis anything more than second round money, have we paid
BM anything but 4th round money?

We have paid Champ franchise money for 5 years.

I suggest that a RB and a WR see more touches than a one sided CB, as does a QB.

bowtown
02-09-2010, 05:46 PM
Portis was 23 when traded, he still had 2 years on his rookie deal, and it was only 4 years. I know he had 2 left. Portis put on 20 and is he 2nd leading all time rushing for
wash.

Champ was older and franchised. And we paid like a franchise QB.

Tater was a product of the ZBS.

How much you want to wager on which one of them is still playing in 5 years?

baja
02-09-2010, 05:59 PM
Dd we pay Portis anything more than second round money, have we paid
BM anything but 4th round money?

We have paid Champ franchise money for 5 years.

I suggest that a RB and a WR see more touches than a one sided CB, as does a QB.

Hey Mock what's a one sided corner back?

watermock
02-09-2010, 06:17 PM
I'm just saying that it isn't lke we robbed the skins.

We paid him franchise money the skins didn't want to pay, period. Tatum Bell stands alone.

Champ has played outside in on the left side for years.

Nowhere did I ay it was a bad trade, it's just not the trade many think it was, because of their distaste for Portis, when Champ was doing the same thing.

Flex Gunmetal
02-09-2010, 06:19 PM
Mock why are you incapable of being remotely positive?

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 06:20 PM
Hey Mock what's a one sided corner back?

Glad you asked. ;D

bowtown
02-09-2010, 06:30 PM
Nowhere did I ay it was a bad trade

We got a huge contrract and a bust.

Blah, blah, blah

Jason in LA
02-09-2010, 06:31 PM
I loved the trade, and I still say that the Broncos got the better end of that deal.

I was never a big fan of Portis. He had the stats, no question about that. And he was exciting. But when he wasn't breaking off long runs he was doing a whole lot of nothing. He got stuffed way too much. He couldn't get yards after the contact, which is huge. I just never cared for those home run backs who put up big numbers but couldn't carry a team to a win. That's what Portis was.

watermock
02-09-2010, 06:35 PM
And Moreno is?

God your clueless.

Dedhed
02-09-2010, 07:00 PM
Mock why are you incapable of being remotely positive?

He's just too upset right now about the fact that we haven't signed a single RFA this year, NOT ONE!

521 1N5
02-09-2010, 07:04 PM
I'm beginning to think you are not fond of coach mcDaniels.

No, it's called being contrary just for attention. It's sad really. But that's how some get by.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 07:09 PM
And Moreno is?

God your clueless.

A rookie who got just shy of 1000 yards behind a porous O-line?

watermock
02-09-2010, 07:11 PM
Wrong, I havent mentioned one FA other thanour own.

And why would I be fond of the neophyte coach?

misturanderson
02-09-2010, 07:14 PM
I loved the trade, and I still say that the Broncos got the better end of that deal.

I was never a big fan of Portis. He had the stats, no question about that. And he was exciting. But when he wasn't breaking off long runs he was doing a whole lot of nothing. He got stuffed way too much. He couldn't get yards after the contact, which is huge. I just never cared for those home run backs who put up big numbers but couldn't carry a team to a win. That's what Portis was.

I simply don't remember it that way and I don't believe that a player could get 5.5 yards per carry without getting consistent yardage. He made a ton of runs that were in the 5-15 yard range.

His percentage of 20+ yard runs in '03 and '04 were very similar to LT's percentages in his best years, but his yards per rush was better than LT's best season. He also produced a 1st down on 28.9% and 26.2% of his runs during his 2 years here. There was nobody this year that approached those numbers except Jamaal Charles (28.4% with 80-100 fewer carries than Portis) and Marion Barber (27.1% with 60-80 fewer carries).

Just to put some perspective on Portis's accomplishments during his days as a Bronco. You don't get those numbers by having a few big runs to balance out a bunch of stuffed runs.

watermock
02-09-2010, 07:18 PM
2009 Denver Broncos 16 9 247 947 3.8 36 7 28 213 7.6 27 2 4 4
TOTAL 247 947 3.8 36 7 28 213 7.6 27 2 4 4


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Very average for a fresh
#11 back.

And Portis was ignored during his time at Miami, only injury put him at TB. In fact, he was penciled in at CB.

AND he was a second rounder. THATS why he asked for a new contract, just like BM. Jesus, buy a clue.

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 07:22 PM
2009 Denver Broncos 16 9 247 947 3.8 36 7 28 213 7.6 27 2 4 4
TOTAL 247 947 3.8 36 7 28 213 7.6 27 2 4 4


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Very average for a fresh
#11 back.

Back at ya!

12 454 89 52 7 99 52 365 98 2 58.2 45 5 89 63 7 21 23

misturanderson
02-09-2010, 07:24 PM
2009 Denver Broncos 16 9 247 947 3.8 36 7 28 213 7.6 27 2 4 4
TOTAL 247 947 3.8 36 7 28 213 7.6 27 2 4 4


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Very average for a fresh
#11 back.

And Portis was ignored during his time at Miami, only injury put him at TB. In fact, he was penciled in at CB.

AND he was a second rounder. THATS why he asked for a new contract, just like BM. Jesus, buy a clue.


Why the **** is this becoming about Moreno vs. Portis?

Portis was way better than Moreno as a rookie, that's really just a fact. That doesn't mean Moreno couldn't have a better career.

watermock
02-09-2010, 07:24 PM
Ha!

Looks like LT's stats last year. STFU.

theAPAOps5
02-09-2010, 09:03 PM
I think a vowel needs to be purchased!

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:10 PM
I think a vowel needs to be purchased!

Hilarious!

^5

MplsBronco
02-09-2010, 09:34 PM
Thank you, Misturanderson. People seem to forget how awesom Portis was in the system. Granted he was a clown but his production and game breaking ability are undeniable.

Comparing what he has done in Wash, which is fairly impressive all things consider, and thinking it would be the same if he stayed here is laughable. Look at his numbers here and the improvement each year. The sky was the limit.

baja
02-09-2010, 10:13 PM
Glad you asked. ;D

ha ha perfect pic DBrit.

Jason in LA
02-09-2010, 10:21 PM
I simply don't remember it that way and I don't believe that a player could get 5.5 yards per carry without getting consistent yardage. He made a ton of runs that were in the 5-15 yard range.

His percentage of 20+ yard runs in '03 and '04 were very similar to LT's percentages in his best years, but his yards per rush was better than LT's best season. He also produced a 1st down on 28.9% and 26.2% of his runs during his 2 years here. There was nobody this year that approached those numbers except Jamaal Charles (28.4% with 80-100 fewer carries than Portis) and Marion Barber (27.1% with 60-80 fewer carries).

Just to put some perspective on Portis's accomplishments during his days as a Bronco. You don't get those numbers by having a few big runs to balance out a bunch of stuffed runs.

He had a lot of long runs, like you pointed out. A lot of 20+ runs, which pushed his average up. One game is a perfect example. Against the Bears at Chicago. He rushed for 160 yards in the game and had two high light runs. One for a TD, and one where he was knocked out around the 10 yard line. Well those two high light runs produced 120 yards and led to ten points. The other carries produced 40 yards and no points. He wasn't a consistent runner at all. For that game ESPN showed his two high light runs and his stat total, making it look like he had a monster game. But her really didn't do much outside of those two carries.

He just wasn't an effective runner. He was exciting to watch, but as far as move the chains, he didn't do that.

misturanderson
02-09-2010, 10:40 PM
He had a lot of long runs, like you pointed out. A lot of 20+ runs, which pushed his average up. One game is a perfect example. Against the Bears at Chicago. He rushed for 160 yards in the game and had two high light runs. One for a TD, and one where he was knocked out around the 10 yard line. Well those two high light runs produced 120 yards and led to ten points. The other carries produced 40 yards and no points. He wasn't a consistent runner at all. For that game ESPN showed his two high light runs and his stat total, making it look like he had a monster game. But her really didn't do much outside of those two carries.

He just wasn't an effective runner. He was exciting to watch, but as far as move the chains, he didn't do that.

What are you talking about? I showed that he was an above average chain mover if I did anything. Comparing his 20+ yard output to LT isn't an indication that he had a lot of 20+ yard runs. He may have had games where he had a few big runs and a lot of short runs, but he had a lot of games where he did nothing but produce a constant barrage of decent yardage in the 5-15 yard range.

How you could have made anything out of what I said other than that is a bit strange. He certainly was more consistant than Tatum Bell. His 20+ yard run % was lower and his average per rush was higher.

extralife
02-09-2010, 10:41 PM
I love CP, man. He talks a lot but contrary to popular belief he never says anything that could truly be considered out of line. He plays hurt, he does whatever he's asked to do, and he's ran counter to his strengths for years and years because that's what he's been told to do, and he's still been productive at it. If he still has anything left in the tank and Washington has linemen smart enough to transition to the ZBS quick enough he'll have a big year.

broncocalijohn
02-09-2010, 11:40 PM
I think a vowel needs to be purchased!

I always tell Mock, "Hey, dont buy more alcohol, buy a few vowels!" He just never listens.

DBroncos4life
02-10-2010, 02:01 AM
He had a lot of long runs, like you pointed out. A lot of 20+ runs, which pushed his average up. One game is a perfect example. Against the Bears at Chicago. He rushed for 160 yards in the game and had two high light runs. One for a TD, and one where he was knocked out around the 10 yard line. Well those two high light runs produced 120 yards and led to ten points. The other carries produced 40 yards and no points. He wasn't a consistent runner at all. For that game ESPN showed his two high light runs and his stat total, making it look like he had a monster game. But her really didn't do much outside of those two carries.

He just wasn't an effective runner. He was exciting to watch, but as far as move the chains, he didn't do that.

Are you talking about the 03 season where we lost 10-19? Portis has 163 yards on 14 carries with no TDs. That game was a fluke. Portis also left the game in the 4th with a heel injury. At the time that was the second coldest game in Broncos history. It very well maybe still. He had runs of 5, 12, 2, 7, 1, 6, 4, 5, 3, 59, 5, 49, 4, and 2. His first 2 yard gain was on 2 and 2 for the first down as well. Portis still had a 4.5 yard per carry average after the two long runs.

extralife
02-10-2010, 02:30 AM
I like how people want to rip a running back by saying he ran for long touchdowns, and that these should be discounted because real running backs are 3 and a cloud. Look, I know we haven't seen running backs run with any sort of grace, finesse, vision, or speed since he left--that doesn't mean these aren't qualities worth searching for.

and if you want to see Portis the grind-it-out-chain-mover, I do invite you to click on the branch of his statistics labeled "Washington Redskins"