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Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 06:11 PM
Since this is now officially the offseason, this is a snow thread part two. After not being able to dig out of 2 feet of snow dumped in the area Friday through Saturday, (following 17" of snow the previous week) we are now looking at another 1-2 feet of snow! I officially quit, and wave the white flag. For crying out loud, we've exceeded snow totals in Chicago! Four days of digging, and now this lunacy. My subdivision looks like the arctic cap...frozen walls of snow/ice from 4-6ft are everywhere, with road glaze around three inches thick. Feds and schools in every county and district are closed tomorrow (and probably for the rest of the week the way this is going). I love snow, but I ain't digging all the digging.

I took some pics, but need to get them digitized (whenever I get out of this mess). I'll post them when I get the chance.

25" officially in my front and side yards, with drifts to absurdity. The stuffs so high to my front you could fall down the steps and not hit anything. I had to ram the door open just to get out. http://scosoft.com/s/c/3d9be140.gif

Dagmar
02-08-2010, 06:13 PM
*waits for baja to post a picture of the beach*

Lev Vyvanse
02-08-2010, 06:16 PM
How is the tarp working?

PRBronco
02-08-2010, 06:17 PM
PRBronco here reporting from ground zero at the winter olympics! Today was sunny, light pullover weather in the shade. Seriously why did they think the winter olympics were a good idea here?

2KBack
02-08-2010, 06:18 PM
Yeah, I jumped off the back portch after shoveling it off. I maybe fell 3 feet into a 8 foot pile.

I'm sick to death of it. I haven't left the house since friday and may not get to for a few more days. I've got cabin fever so bad I can't see straight.

loborugger
02-08-2010, 06:20 PM
How is the tarp working?

LOL

Man, the fear that goes with snow in the DC area...

Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 06:20 PM
How's the tarp working?

I'm not bothering with that this time, there isn't enough room to use the weights with snow walls around the car...and the next storm is going to be windy, so even weighted down there will probably be drifts. The only good thing is that it will probably be a powdery snow (at least that's what I'm hoping.)

The tarp did work like a charm the last time, though...but we had rain that washed away the 17" storm pretty quick. The stuff we had three days ago ain't going anywhere, temps are dropping to the teens and single digit windchills all week. Some of my neighbors waited for all the stuff to fall and then tried to clean off their cars! They gave up and quit midway.

Lev Vyvanse
02-08-2010, 06:28 PM
I'm not bothering with that this time, there isn't enough room to use the weights with snow walls around the car...and the next storm is going to be windy, so even weighted down there will probably be drifts. The only good thing is that it will probably be a powdery snow (at least that's what I'm hoping.)

The tarp did work like a charm the last time, though...but we had rain that washed away the 17" storm pretty quick. The stuff we had three days ago ain't going anywhere, temps are dropping to the teens and single digit windchills all week. Some of my neighbors waited for all the stuff to fall and then tried to clean off their cars! They gave up and quit midway.

Did you already get supplies? If so, have a good day off.:strong:

Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 06:29 PM
Yeah, I jumped off the back portch after shoveling it off. I maybe fell 3 feet into a 8 foot pile.

I'm sick to death of it. I haven't left the house since friday and may not get to for a few more days. I've got cabin fever so bad I can't see straight.

I've been watching movies/recorded shows on my dvd collection, and calling mom off and on. My bro's staying with her during the "snowpocalypse" officially called this past weekend by the president.

Also checking out my fav blog pages, reading up on my old comic collection, etc. Listen to my sports radio shows, wash clothes, bake a cake. May fix a baseboard downstairs this week, what the hell...it ain't like I'm going anywhere. I'd take more pics, but I've run out of throwaway cameras (I bought a twopack).

Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 06:31 PM
Did you already get supplies? If so, have a good day off.:strong:

Ya, I'm stocked to the gills. At first I wanted mom to stay with me, but she was concerned in case of power outages, her sump pump would cut off to the backup one (which runs on city water) which would run up the water bill. So bro's with her, and the three of us babble on the phone a lot all day!

Archer81
02-08-2010, 06:33 PM
Amazing the attitude shift after a 2nd blizzard. Welcome to life for most people on the Western Slope and in the mountains from October to June.

:Broncos:

go_broncos
02-08-2010, 06:42 PM
Weather is beautiful in Florida..:yayaya:

Lev Vyvanse
02-08-2010, 06:47 PM
weather is beautiful in florida..:yayaya:

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gtown
02-08-2010, 06:48 PM
LOL

Man, the fear that goes with snow in the DC area...

I never realized it but it is a rational fear. The temperature hovers around the freezing point all the time, continually melting and then refreezing. I am always surprised at how icy it is out here as compared to Denver, where I grew up.

Archer81
02-08-2010, 06:51 PM
I never realized it but it is a rational fear. The temperature hovers around the freezing point all the time, continually melting and then refreezing. I am always surprised at how icy it is out here as compared to Denver, where I grew up.


I grew up out in NOVA and in NC. When it snowed, it shut everything down. But ice storms were more common. We had school get cancelled for a week because we had 4 inches of ice on everything and couldnt go anywhere.

:Broncos:

Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 06:53 PM
Another problem here with the ice concerns potholes. The streets are gonna be wrecked once spring officially hits. Punch holes two and three feet deep and two feet across are common, along with weird asphalt patches that look like they've been scooped out.

2KBack
02-08-2010, 06:54 PM
I've been watching movies/recorded shows on my dvd collection, and calling mom off and on. My bro's staying with her during the "snowpocalypse" officially called this past weekend by the president.

Also checking out my fav blog pages, reading up on my old comic collection, etc. Listen to my sports radio shows, wash clothes, bake a cake. May fix a baseboard downstairs this week, what the hell...it ain't like I'm going anywhere. I'd take more pics, but I've run out of throwaway cameras (I bought a twopack).

Well done, I need to be more proactive in burning the time. I'd forgotten how terrible TV is during the day. I have a few pictures of my area, I have to dig them up.

I don't think people realize how poorly suited this area is for inclement winter weather. I lived it Colorado and Ohio, and I've made my jokes about people not being able to handle snow. This is different.

Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 07:04 PM
Well done, I need to be more proactive in burning the time. I'd forgotten how terrible TV is during the day. I have a few pictures of my area, I have to dig them up.

I don't think people realize how poorly suited this area is for inclement winter weather. I lived it Colorado and Ohio, and I've made my jokes about people not being able to handle snow. This is different.

Yeah, DC's below sea level, so we get lots of ice and sleet with snow. This recent storm was heavy wet snow (powder base is almost unheard of here). Streets are narrow and congested, and are hilly for the most part. The Washington Baltimore Beltway is officially the third most congested roadway in the country (64 miles of roundabout fun!) with massive trucks, speed demons and two cylinder toaster ovens. And of course, power outages go with all the ice, too. A lot of flat roofed buildings around here collapsed, including a hangar at Dulles airport and a landmark church in NE. Two firehouses have compromised roofs in the area, but were deemed safe for now. Wet snow increases in weight geometrically each day with the freeze/thaw (I read the calculation about one cubic foot powder (2lb) increases in weight per day to around eight pounds in three to four days. Lots of folks are concerned about their roofs since wet snow doesn't blow off. And of course the deal with downed trees and branches that bring down power lines.

Keeping fingers crossed it's the powdery stuff...;)

Cito Pelon
02-08-2010, 07:07 PM
Since this is now officially the offseason, this is a snow thread part two. After not being able to dig out of 2 feet of snow dumped in the area Friday through Saturday, (following 17" of snow the previous week) we are now looking at another 1-2 feet of snow! I officially quit, and wave the white flag. For crying out loud, we've exceeded snow totals in Chicago! Four days of digging, and now this lunacy. My subdivision looks like the arctic cap...frozen walls of snow/ice from 4-6ft are everywhere, with road glaze around three inches thick. Feds and schools in every county and district are closed tomorrow (and probably for the rest of the week the way this is going). I love snow, but I ain't digging all the digging.

I took some pics, but need to get them digitized (whenever I get out of this mess). I'll post them when I get the chance.

25" officially in my front and side yards, with drifts to absurdity. The stuffs so high to my front you could fall down the steps and not hit anything. I had to ram the door open just to get out. http://scosoft.com/s/c/3d9be140.gif

I feel sorry for you, it's brutal. Now you know what a medium-sized blizzard looks like.

2KBack
02-08-2010, 07:08 PM
Yeah, DC's below sea level, so we get lots of ice and sleet with snow. This recent storm was heavy wet snow (powder base is almost unheard of here). Streets are narrow and congested, and are hilly for the most part. The Washington Baltimore Beltway is officially the third most congested roadway in the country (64 miles of roundabout fun!) with massive trucks, speed demons and two cylinder toaster ovens. And of course, power outages go with all the ice, too. A lot of flat roofed buildings around here collapsed, including a hangar at Dulles airport and a landmark church in NE. Two firehouses have compromised roofs in the area, but were deemed safe for now. Wet snow increases in weight geometrically each day with the freeze/thaw (I read the calculation about one cubic foot powder (2lb) increases in weight per day to around eight pounds in three to four days. Lots of folks are concerned about their roofs since wet snow doesn't blow off. And of course the deal with downed trees and branches that bring down power lines.

Keeping fingers crossed it's the powdery stuff...;)

Are you inside the city? I haven't talked to many people inside the beltway (I'm in NoVa). I'm around Fairfax/vienna/falls church, it seems to be worse the closer to the city.

Cito Pelon
02-08-2010, 07:50 PM
Yeah, DC's below sea level, so we get lots of ice and sleet with snow. This recent storm was heavy wet snow (powder base is almost unheard of here). Streets are narrow and congested, and are hilly for the most part. The Washington Baltimore Beltway is officially the third most congested roadway in the country (64 miles of roundabout fun!) with massive trucks, speed demons and two cylinder toaster ovens. And of course, power outages go with all the ice, too. A lot of flat roofed buildings around here collapsed, including a hangar at Dulles airport and a landmark church in NE. Two firehouses have compromised roofs in the area, but were deemed safe for now. Wet snow increases in weight geometrically each day with the freeze/thaw (I read the calculation about one cubic foot powder (2lb) increases in weight per day to around eight pounds in three to four days. Lots of folks are concerned about their roofs since wet snow doesn't blow off. And of course the deal with downed trees and branches that bring down power lines.

Keeping fingers crossed it's the powdery stuff...;)

I do feel sorry for you, I know how brutal a storm like that is. I used to like them when I was 7 and all it meant to me was $$$$$$$$ for shoveling sidewalks. Once I got to 12 years of age it was the paper route for the Denver Post that made me money, and it was brutal in winter. We had to put the knobby tires on our Schwinn's (only a Schwinn had a frame strong enough to carry 110 papers, especially on Sunday). Those Sunday papers were so big, we often had to carry two loads. And Sunday was the early delivery, had to be at the station by 0400.

The Rocky Mountain News paperboys often didn't have a station. The News was the morning paper, the Post the afternoon paper. The News trucks would often just dump the papers at a corner and those slobs would have to fold and load with no shelter. I admired those kids that woke up early to deliver the News every day, that had to be brutal. It was much warmer in the afternoon after school. I still have a Seiko watch from my Denver Post days for two years of not missing a day. Plus, back in those days there was no billing, the paperboy had to go out and collect the payment in person from every house on the route. Just reminiscing, carry on.

ColoradoDarin
02-08-2010, 07:51 PM
It was sunny and 62 with a slight breeze here in St Augustine today. Might have a little bit of rain tomorrow.

broncosteven
02-08-2010, 07:55 PM
Another problem here with the ice concerns potholes. The streets are gonna be wrecked once spring officially hits. Punch holes two and three feet deep and two feet across are common, along with weird asphalt patches that look like they've been scooped out.

Welcome to reality, Every year in Chicago there is a news story about a pothole either eating a car or blowing out a bunch of peoples tires until the City finnally goes and fills it up.

bpc
02-08-2010, 08:30 PM
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bpc
02-08-2010, 08:32 PM
On a serious note, everybody stuck in the snow across the country, please be careful and stay safe.

Boobs McGee
02-08-2010, 08:49 PM
It cracks me up...EVERY STORM we get here, there's an intersection in Castle rock, right by the outlet malls on Founders Parkway...and no matter how little accumulation there is, someone ALWAYS takes the corner to fast and nails the curb by that gas station. EVERY STORM.

It's been a really mild winter out here on the front range thus far, sounds like you guys are havin a helluva time. Good luck out there guys.

Ray Finkle
02-08-2010, 08:49 PM
Since this is now officially the offseason, this is a snow thread part two. After not being able to dig out of 2 feet of snow dumped in the area Friday through Saturday, (following 17" of snow the previous week) we are now looking at another 1-2 feet of snow! I officially quit, and wave the white flag. For crying out loud, we've exceeded snow totals in Chicago! Four days of digging, and now this lunacy. My subdivision looks like the arctic cap...frozen walls of snow/ice from 4-6ft are everywhere, with road glaze around three inches thick. Feds and schools in every county and district are closed tomorrow (and probably for the rest of the week the way this is going). I love snow, but I ain't digging all the digging.

I took some pics, but need to get them digitized (whenever I get out of this mess). I'll post them when I get the chance.

25" officially in my front and side yards, with drifts to absurdity. The stuffs so high to my front you could fall down the steps and not hit anything. I had to ram the door open just to get out. http://scosoft.com/s/c/3d9be140.gif

I counted 30 inches in my front yard.....f'n snow....

Los Broncos
02-08-2010, 09:04 PM
Was in Idyllwild a couple of weeks ago, tons of snow on the ground.

Perfect for the kids to tube and slide down hills.

Tons of snow in Nevada county as well.

Archer81
02-08-2010, 09:13 PM
It cracks me up...EVERY STORM we get here, there's an intersection in Castle rock, right by the outlet malls on Founders Parkway...and no matter how little accumulation there is, someone ALWAYS takes the corner to fast and nails the curb by that gas station. EVERY STORM.

It's been a really mild winter out here on the front range thus far, sounds like you guys are havin a helluva time. Good luck out there guys.


The last "big storm" down south (Fremont County) was the blizzard in 1997. I am thinking we are due.


:Broncos:

Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 09:14 PM
Are you inside the city? I haven't talked to many people inside the beltway (I'm in NoVa). I'm around Fairfax/vienna/falls church, it seems to be worse the closer to the city.

yup, inside the beltway! Estimated updates are all over the place from:

an additional 8"-12"

OR

11"-15"

OR

10"-25" (I think you guys are in the same zone, unless they shifted you to the 18"-24" bullseye)

So we'll end up with anything from 33" - 50" total lying around everywhere. Not to mention hills of ice up to 15' high. http://scosoft.com/s/e/16603534.gif

Circle Orange
02-08-2010, 09:20 PM
It was sunny and 62 with a slight breeze here in St Augustine today. Might have a little bit of rain tomorrow.

Away with thee, sir.

azbroncfan
02-08-2010, 10:32 PM
Weather is perfect in AZ. 70's degrees no wind. Took a nice mile swim today.

broncocalijohn
02-08-2010, 11:58 PM
SoCal is getting more rain tomorrow night and Wednesday. Is anywhere in the states had a warmer than usual winter? I think GW has taken time off and is being adjusted. England is having I believe their worst winter in 30 years. I think we will have snow in our local SoCal mountains through March.

Boobs McGee
02-09-2010, 07:32 AM
The last "big storm" down south (Fremont County) was the blizzard in 1997. I am thinking we are due.


:Broncos:

I wonder, have you ever checked the farmer's almanac? It's a bit uncanny some years with the accuracy of it's predictions...wonder if they've got something on it. How big was that blizzard in 97'?

and p.s., archer is seriously one of my favorite new shows on t.v., nice avy

2KBack
02-09-2010, 07:37 AM
yup, inside the beltway! Estimated updates are all over the place from:

an additional 8"-12"

OR

11"-15"

OR

10"-25" (I think you guys are in the same zone, unless they shifted you to the 18"-24" bullseye)

So we'll end up with anything from 33" - 50" total lying around everywhere. Not to mention hills of ice up to 15' high. http://scosoft.com/s/e/16603534.gif


Goddammit.

I gotta get myself to the store. I need more gas for the snowblower, and maybe there's like...some can beans or something left at Giant.

Ray Finkle
02-09-2010, 07:44 AM
Goddammit.

I gotta get myself to the store. I need more gas for the snowblower, and maybe there's like...some can beans or something left at Giant.

stores aren't bad right now. Just bought more firewood....

elsid13
02-09-2010, 07:50 AM
I counted 30 inches in my front yard.....f'n snow....

Great ready to add 20 more inches. All my old injuries are sore and that not a good sign.

elsid13
02-09-2010, 07:52 AM
stores aren't bad right now. Just bought more firewood....

I went yesterday morning and the stores were fully stocked, easiest shopping I had in awhile

TonyR
02-09-2010, 09:01 AM
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Fyi, this horrible winter does not in any way dispel warming. What it means, whether or not it matters, and what if anything can or should be done about it are all fair arguments. But the facts of the actual warming is not.

Beantown Bronco
02-09-2010, 09:14 AM
SoCal is getting more rain tomorrow night and Wednesday. Is anywhere in the states had a warmer than usual winter?

Not necessarily warmer around here, but nothing in terms of snow. We've only had one day of 4-6 inches of snow since New Years and almost all of that has been gone for awhile with the exception of some snow banks. Weird.

Though tomorrow we are supposed to get some of this storm that the DC area is getting. Some folks south of Boston will get around a foot, but we should only get around 4-6 inches of new snow where I live.

Archer81
02-09-2010, 10:03 AM
Fyi, this horrible winter does not in any way dispel warming. What it means, whether or not it matters, and what if anything can or should be done about it are all fair arguments. But the facts of the actual warming is not.


Temperature trends are going down, not up. How is that warming?


:Broncos:

broncosteven
02-09-2010, 10:07 AM
Temperature trends are going down, not up. How is that warming?


:Broncos:

Baby polar bears are falling into the sea and stuff.

BTW did you know that Al Gore also invented the InformaTion SuPerhIghway?

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 10:07 AM
Fyi, this horrible winter does not in any way dispel warming. What it means, whether or not it matters, and what if anything can or should be done about it are all fair arguments. But the facts of the actual warming is not.

What dispels Global Warming&trade; is the fact that everything that keeps coming out from 'experts' has shown to be either faked, falsified, or otherwise untrustworthy. Google Climategate, it's a lot of fun reading how data was manipulated and contrary data was fudged.

Drek
02-09-2010, 10:07 AM
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You do realize that storms like what hit the mid-Atlantic seaboard recently are in fact text book proof of what happens as a result of global warming, right?

Or are you just a talking points sock puppet with someone else's hand up your ass mouthing what they've told you to repeat?

Ray Finkle
02-09-2010, 10:08 AM
Great ready to add 20 more inches. All my old injuries are sore and that not a good sign.

yep....I am hoping for 10 instead. My knee and shoulder have been killing me for the last 24 hours.

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 10:09 AM
You do realize that storms like what hit the mid-Atlantic seaboard recently are in fact text book proof of what happens as a result of global warming, right?

Or are you just a talking points sock puppet with someone else's hand up your ass mouthing what they've told you to repeat?

Warmer weather - Global Warming&trade;
Colder weather - Global Warming&trade;
More snow - Global Warming&trade;
Less snow - Global Warming&trade;

Drek
02-09-2010, 10:11 AM
What dispels Global Warming&trade; is the fact that everything that keeps coming out from 'experts' has shown to be either faked, falsified, or otherwise untrustworthy. Google Climategate, it's a lot of fun reading how data was manipulated and contrary data was fudged.

So you believe the spin of someone else's spin on numbers? Great.

Climate analysis isn't really that hard for anyone who knows their way around MatLab or any other quality statistics program and who has access to the data (read: just about everyone with an internet connection).

Compile your own study, NOAA and its partners will provide all you need to know, and there are free linux alternatives to MatLab. Hell, a simple comparative between industrialization, CO2 production, and global climate would be a real fast start.

Drek
02-09-2010, 10:17 AM
Warmer weather - Global Warming&trade;
Colder weather - Global Warming&trade;
More snow - Global Warming&trade;
Less snow - Global Warming&trade;

Depending on where you live? Yes.

In general global warming = melting of the ice caps = change in sea level and sea temperature (cooling oceans) = changes in ocean currents and jet streams over those ocean currents, with changing levels of precipitation on them from previous norms = places getting **** tons of precip that normally don't, and places getting far less than they normally do.

Global warming doesn't mean everything gets hotter uniformly. We don't live in some 8th grade science experiement where everything is made nice and simple so it behaves in a uniform fashion. Change propagates out in waves of climactic instability, like the poles and the equator. Like throwing pebbles into a pond, the ripples that eventually hit the sides are minor. But the more pebbles you throw the more ripples you make, resulting in more powerful turbulence over longer stretches.

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 10:22 AM
So you believe the spin of someone else's spin on numbers? Great.

No, I want the actual data. Global Warming&trade; proponents keep hiding the data. "The dog ate my Global Warming&trade;" isn't a good response. Why do they keep fighting the FOIA requests? Google "Hide the decline" Interesting stuff straight from the Warmists, not even filtered by the evil opponent's spin! Their own words killing their own argument. Thankfully a nice whistle blower was kind enough to show the world the fraud that was being perpetuated.

Climate analysis isn't really that hard for anyone who knows their way around MatLab or any other quality statistics program and who has access to the data (read: just about everyone with an internet connection).

Compile your own study, NOAA and its partners will provide all you need to know, and there are free linux alternatives to MatLab. Hell, a simple comparative between industrialization, CO2 production, and global climate would be a real fast start.

You want to see if there is "associated warming" to CO2? BEHOLD!

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/globalwarmingvsSunspots.jpg

Archer81
02-09-2010, 10:22 AM
So you believe the spin of someone else's spin on numbers? Great.

Climate analysis isn't really that hard for anyone who knows their way around MatLab or any other quality statistics program and who has access to the data (read: just about everyone with an internet connection).

Compile your own study, NOAA and its partners will provide all you need to know, and there are free linux alternatives to MatLab. Hell, a simple comparative between industrialization, CO2 production, and global climate would be a real fast start.


Wasnt it NOAA who accidentally posted August average temps for September, skewing numbers which then led them to suggest global warming is rapidly happening when in fact they were looking at the wrong month?

I doubt the validity of the argument than men alone are the cause of global warming, or that people have a serious impact on global temperature and weather. Or that the "worst" greenhouse gas is CO2 when its actually water vapor. I wish people would admit that the length of time we have been monitoring climate compared to how long a climate has existed is hardly going to give us an accurate picture of what changes climate. Basing whole economic and social changes on something that is not currently provable is a hyperreaction to bull****.

:Broncos:

PRBronco
02-09-2010, 10:25 AM
No, I want the actual data. Global Warming&trade; proponents keep hiding the data. "The dog ate my Global Warming&trade;" isn't a good response. Why do they keep fighting the FOIA requests? Google "Hide the decline" Interesting stuff straight from the Warmists, not even filtered by the evil opponent's spin! Their own words killing their own argument. Thankfully a nice whistle blower was kind enough to show the world the fraud that was being perpetuated.



You want to see if there is "associated warming" to CO2? BEHOLD!

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/globalwarmingvsSunspots.jpg

Ummm, does that mean the sun is getting hotter? Because I watched that stupid Nicholas Cage movie and now I'm terrified of solar flares.

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 10:26 AM
In song form:

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Archer81
02-09-2010, 10:27 AM
Ummm, does that mean the sun is getting hotter? Because I watched that stupid Nicholas Cage movie and now I'm terrified of solar flares.


Solar activity is not a constant. Sometimes its brighter, sometimes less so (we cant tell the difference by eyesight alone), the sunspot cycle seems to effect weather on earth because of the amount of radiation the sun is spitting out into space and hitting our atmosphere. Its all very crazy, but more plausable then saying driving your SUV causes people in Guam to ratchet up their houses to escape floodwater.

:Broncos:

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 10:31 AM
Ummm, does that mean the sun is getting hotter? Because I watched that stupid Nicholas Cage movie and now I'm terrified of solar flares.

Actually the last couple of years have seen a minimum of sun spots, so you're good.

Drek
02-09-2010, 10:48 AM
No, I want the actual data. Global Warming&trade; proponents keep hiding the data. "The dog ate my Global Warming&trade;" isn't a good response. Why do they keep fighting the FOIA requests? Google "Hide the decline" Interesting stuff straight from the Warmists, not even filtered by the evil opponent's spin! Their own words killing their own argument. Thankfully a nice whistle blower was kind enough to show the world the fraud that was being perpetuated.



You want to see if there is "associated warming" to CO2? BEHOLD!

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/dhaus5650/globalwarmingvsSunspots.jpg

1. I've ran the numbers myself, I don't need someone else's false chart to try and hide the data.

2. solar irradience varies with arctic temperature because that is where the hole in the ozone that we blew up with massive CFC releases over the last ~100 years is located. So yes, temperature in that exact spot will vary quite nicely with the times when that hole is being bombarded with unblocked UV radiation. Good find. Next you'll tell us that sun block helps prevent sun burns and that its cooler in the shade than in direct sunlight.

3. Proponents aren't hiding the data. FOIA can save themselves a whole lot of time if they just start hitting up NOAA's weather databases as well as those similar services from most of the free world. Not real hard.

4. The "hiding the decline" comment (to anyone who has actually done statistical analysis and checked to see what the various emails where actually discussing) obviously referred to the statistical method being suggested to hide the data divide between the constant monitoring weather data we have now and the climate data collected from pre-recorded time through various other methods that carry less accuracy. The method suggested actually minimizes the overall change seen from then to today by taking the variability of the indirect data and assuming it to be the the best possible scenario in terms of overall change.

In short, they where smoothing out randomness and error from the data in an extremely cautious way, skewing the data towards the smallest total change in climate, not the largest.

5. The guys doing that study weren't even close to the real elite people in the field. The European think tanks like to act like they've got something going on but U.S. research is well ahead of them and will remain there for the near future.

jhns
02-09-2010, 10:55 AM
Global warming is a fact. It is also a fact that it isn't all man made. The entire northern hemisphere used to be a giant blanket of ice. It gradually has gone back to the ice we complain about melting today. The only real question is if man is speeding this process up. I do not believe we have enough information right now to say one way or the other.

TonyR
02-09-2010, 11:03 AM
Temperature trends are going down, not up. How is that warming?


Seriously? Come on, you're smarter than this. Stop watching Faux News and open up your mind. I'm not pushing any agenda that something can or should be done about it but facts are facts. Stop with the nonsense. I guess you know more than NASA, just to name one organization? Just stop.


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html

TonyR
02-09-2010, 11:04 AM
Global warming is a fact. It is also a fact that it isn't all man made. The entire northern hemisphere used to be a giant blanket of ice. It gradually has gone back to the ice we complain about melting today. The only real question is if man is speeding this process up. I do not believe we have enough information right now to say one way or the other.

I didn't know this was possible, but we agree 100%. We hold the exact same position. Warming is a fact, but man's role and what can be done about it are not facts. I don't understand why some people want to deny the facts.

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 11:09 AM
blah blah blah

SPIN SPIN SPIN

My son is awake now so I'm going to go play with him. I'm not here to dissuade you from you religion, your mind is made up no matter what the data shows.

For anyone else interested to read more about the fraud: Read here (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/)

PS. FOIA isn't an agency, if you don't know what it is then you have purposely ignored the validity of any contra opinions on Global Warming&trade;

TonyR
02-09-2010, 11:24 AM
For anyone else interested to read more about the fraud: Read here (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/)


LOL So this guy's opinion goes agaisnt the majority of the scientific community? You deniers are a hoot.

ElwayMD
02-09-2010, 11:28 AM
yep....I am hoping for 10 instead. My knee and shoulder have been killing me for the last 24 hours.

I just have no idea where all this snow is going to be put. I can only imagine all the accidents that are going to happen when two lanes of traffic become one and the idiots who drive around the DC metro area still treat the road like it's two lanes.

Drek
02-09-2010, 11:39 AM
SPIN SPIN SPIN

My son is awake now so I'm going to go play with him. I'm not here to dissuade you from you religion, your mind is made up no matter what the data shows.

For anyone else interested to read more about the fraud: Read here (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/)

PS. FOIA isn't an agency, if you don't know what it is then you have purposely ignored the validity of any contra opinions on Global Warming&trade;

So you ran out of other people's talking points and graphs for me to take apart. Good, maybe next time you'll try and apply some scientific thought.

I'm personally all for global climate change, but thats largely because my family owns several hundred acres of the northern Maine woods, so when sea level rises 5-8 feet in the next 150 years my kids and grand kids will be sitting on a gold mine as everyone moves away from the rising oceans.

Archer81
02-09-2010, 12:04 PM
Seriously? Come on, you're smarter than this. Stop watching Faux News and open up your mind. I'm not pushing any agenda that something can or should be done about it but facts are facts. Stop with the nonsense. I guess you know more than NASA, just to name one organization? Just stop.


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html


Right. I should stop because its settled, right?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/1404

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htm

*Edit. Since 1998, the avg. temp has dropped...yet thats warming...

:Broncos:

jhns
02-09-2010, 12:09 PM
I didn't know this was possible, but we agree 100%. We hold the exact same position.

It probably is a good sign that you are going senile. Better hit up the doctor.

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 12:49 PM
So you ran out of other people's talking points and graphs for me to take apart. Good, maybe next time you'll try and apply some scientific thought.

I'm personally all for global climate change, but thats largely because my family owns several hundred acres of the northern Maine woods, so when sea level rises 5-8 feet in the next 150 years my kids and grand kids will be sitting on a gold mine as everyone moves away from the rising oceans.

No, there are plenty more talking points and graphs, but what's the point? Somehow you might convince me that merging 2 sets of data at a certain point in time because they don't match up past that is scientific? I'm not going to convince you and you certainly aren't going to convince me. You view this as a debate, I view it as a time waste.

PS. In 150 years, I'll be dead and so will your kids, though your grandkids may live til then. But if you're right, I'll have left some beachfront property in Florida to my heirs. FL > ME :) Cheers!

TonyR
02-09-2010, 01:06 PM
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooli ng/article10866.htm[/url]


LOL This particular linked article is from 2008! It states that NASA's GISS is saying there is cooling. Please. Go look at my link to NASA's most recent data above. 2009 was the second warmest year on record. Cooling? LOL!!!


I'll quote it for you below:

2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis, conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year since modern records began in 1880.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade -- due to strong cooling of the tropical Pacific Ocean -- 2009 saw a return to near-record global temperatures. The past year was only a fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest year on record, and tied with a cluster of other years -- 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 -- as the second warmest year since recordkeeping began.

Drek
02-09-2010, 01:21 PM
No, there are plenty more talking points and graphs, but what's the point? Somehow you might convince me that merging 2 sets of data at a certain point in time because they don't match up past that is scientific? I'm not going to convince you and you certainly aren't going to convince me. You view this as a debate, I view it as a time waste.

PS. In 150 years, I'll be dead and so will your kids, though your grandkids may live til then. But if you're right, I'll have left some beachfront property in Florida to my heirs. FL > ME :) Cheers!

The entire state of Florida (outside of a few select peaks) is below 10ft above sea level.

As a person who has actually done whole earth geophysical modeling I can tell you pretty definitively that if sea level rises 5' Florida is basically not going to exist anymore, at least as a habitable environment for anything but salt water crocodiles and the like.

And I don't see this as a debate. Its my field of study. I'm a geologist and when in school I specialized in whole earth geophysics and climatology. Think what you want but I've analyzed ice cores over millions of years myself, complied the observed weather data from the raw ascii files myself, ran the MatLab equations myself, and know what I saw. I studied under some of the best minds in the U.S. and therefore the world on the subject of climate change and it simply is what it is.

Also, I come from a very long lived family. My children should make it into their 90's quite easily even without appreciable advancement in medical science, so they'll likely see the early events of dramatic climate change.

ColoradoDarin
02-09-2010, 02:03 PM
the entire state of florida (outside of a few select peaks) is below 10ft above sea level.

As a person who has actually done whole earth geophysical modeling i can tell you pretty definitively that if sea level rises 5' florida is basically not going to exist anymore, at least as a habitable environment for anything but salt water crocodiles and the like.

And i don't see this as a debate. Its my field of study. I'm a geologist and when in school i specialized in whole earth geophysics and climatology. Think what you want but i've analyzed ice cores over millions of years myself, complied the observed weather data from the raw ascii files myself, ran the matlab equations myself, and know what i saw. I studied under some of the best minds in the u.s. And therefore the world on the subject of climate change and it simply is what it is.

Also, i come from a very long lived family. My children should make it into their 90's quite easily even without appreciable advancement in medical science, so they'll likely see the early events of dramatic climate change.


bwhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah aha

Circle Orange
02-10-2010, 06:28 PM
Well, I just got finished digging my car out of 6 foot drifts, cleaned the satellite dish and walkout stairs, cleared my heating /air vents, electric and gas meter. :strong: I officially quit, and may move to alaska where there's less snow. One of my neighbors has a ten foot icicle hanging off his roof. It's crippled city here, from inside and outside the beltway. Plow trucks, fire engines and tractor trailers are getting stuck and jackknifing. Thousands of people are without power (some since Saturday). I've been lucky with no power loss. Several major structures have collapsed roofs. 45 mile an hour winds, blizzard warnings that lasted 14 hours.To make things even more interesting, the approximately 40" of stuff has 1/3 layer powder, a layer of ice, and the rest is dense frozen snow. The snow is so high against my house it's actually insulating the basement now, making it warmer. I can walk on top of my front yard and see down over cars. I may carve a door out of the 9' mountain in my back yard and make an igloo. We've set the record winter in the history of recorded snow in D.C., dating back to 1899! Please send kind thoughts and tender words to:

www.ForGoodnessSakePityCircleOrange.com

Archer81
02-10-2010, 06:43 PM
LOL This particular linked article is from 2008! It states that NASA's GISS is saying there is cooling. Please. Go look at my link to NASA's most recent data above. 2009 was the second warmest year on record. Cooling? LOL!!!


I'll quote it for you below:

2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis, conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year since modern records began in 1880.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade -- due to strong cooling of the tropical Pacific Ocean -- 2009 saw a return to near-record global temperatures. The past year was only a fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest year on record, and tied with a cluster of other years -- 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 -- as the second warmest year since recordkeeping began.

No year has been as warm since 1998. Since 1998, the average global temperature has dropped, and you can see as much on any graph from 1998 to now. This was done with more CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere. So maybe CO2 is not the big meanie Al Gore and the UN says it is, huh?

:Broncos:

oubronco
02-11-2010, 06:56 AM
Well, I just got finished digging my car out of 6 foot drifts, cleaned the satellite dish and walkout stairs, cleared my heating /air vents, electric and gas meter. :strong: I officially quit, and may move to alaska where there's less snow. One of my neighbors has a ten foot icicle hanging off his roof. It's crippled city here, from inside and outside the beltway. Plow trucks, fire engines and tractor trailers are getting stuck and jackknifing. Thousands of people are without power (some since Saturday). I've been lucky with no power loss. Several major structures have collapsed roofs. 45 mile an hour winds, blizzard warnings that lasted 14 hours.To make things even more interesting, the approximately 40" of stuff has 1/3 layer powder, a layer of ice, and the rest is dense frozen snow. The snow is so high against my house it's actually insulating the basement now, making it warmer. I can walk on top of my front yard and see down over cars. I may carve a door out of the 9' mountain in my back yard and make an igloo. We've set the record winter in the history of recorded snow in D.C., dating back to 1899! Please send kind thoughts and tender words to:

www.ForGoodnessSakePityCircleOrange.com

DAAAAAYUM good luck

Beantown Bronco
02-11-2010, 07:09 AM
We escaped another one. Not even an inch of snow in Boston or north of Boston.

Boobs McGee
02-21-2010, 04:40 AM
so, just warming my car up right now, getting ready to go shovel the "massive amount of precipitation" my bosses are freaking out about haha.(it's like an inch)

anywho, got me thinking... how's things out east? you guys finally calming down a bit?

Meck77
02-21-2010, 06:07 AM
Well, I just got finished digging my car out of 6 foot drifts, cleaned the satellite dish and walkout stairs, cleared my heating /air vents, electric and gas meter. :strong: I officially quit, and may move to alaska where there's less snow. One of my neighbors has a ten foot icicle hanging off his roof. It's crippled city here, from inside and outside the beltway. Plow trucks, fire engines and tractor trailers are getting stuck and jackknifing. Thousands of people are without power (some since Saturday). I've been lucky with no power loss. Several major structures have collapsed roofs. 45 mile an hour winds, blizzard warnings that lasted 14 hours.To make things even more interesting, the approximately 40" of stuff has 1/3 layer powder, a layer of ice, and the rest is dense frozen snow. The snow is so high against my house it's actually insulating the basement now, making it warmer. I can walk on top of my front yard and see down over cars. I may carve a door out of the 9' mountain in my back yard and make an igloo. We've set the record winter in the history of recorded snow in D.C., dating back to 1899! Please send kind thoughts and tender words to:

www.ForGoodnessSakePityCircleOrange.com

I thought you would have tarped your whole property by the time the storm hit ;)

listopencil
02-21-2010, 08:44 AM
Snow would be nice out here. I've lived in California since 1988. The only times I've seen snow falling would be the occasional trip to/through the Sierra Nevada mountains.

Cito Pelon
02-21-2010, 09:02 AM
No year has been as warm since 1998. Since 1998, the average global temperature has dropped, and you can see as much on any graph from 1998 to now. This was done with more CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere. So maybe CO2 is not the big meanie Al Gore and the UN says it is, huh?

:Broncos:

The point of warnings about CO2 is "don't crap in your own bed." Human behaviour can be self-destructive often.

Back in the 60's it was entirely normal for people to drive down a highway and throw whatever trash they had out the window. Hence the "Don't Be A Litterbug" campaign.

The various Environmental Protection Act's in the early 1970's were absolutely necessary to clean up our land, air, water. The South Platte through Denver was literally a dump, you could smell it.

Bagging on environmental concerns is just dumb.

Pony Boy
02-21-2010, 09:12 AM
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ColoradoDarin
02-21-2010, 10:46 AM
The point of warnings about CO2 is "don't crap in your own bed." Human behaviour can be self-destructive often.

Back in the 60's it was entirely normal for people to drive down a highway and throw whatever trash they had out the window. Hence the "Don't Be A Litterbug" campaign.

The various Environmental Protection Act's in the early 1970's were absolutely necessary to clean up our land, air, water. The South Platte through Denver was literally a dump, you could smell it.

Bagging on environmental concerns is just dumb.

You let us know when those who are telling us all this stop "crapping their own beds" because they're flying around in private jets and taking limos.

I'll treat it as a crisis when those who are telling us it's a crisis act like it a crisis.

sisterhellfyre
02-21-2010, 12:11 PM
I'll treat it as a crisis when those who are telling us it's a crisis act like it a crisis.

Well said. I'm add "when those are telling us it's a crisis aren't the ones positioned to make their fortunes on it."

Yup, talking to you, Al Gore and Rajenda Pachauri...

Cito Pelon
02-22-2010, 10:45 AM
You let us know when those who are telling us all this stop "crapping their own beds" because they're flying around in private jets and taking limos.

I'll treat it as a crisis when those who are telling us it's a crisis act like it a crisis.

Good point.

~Crash~
02-22-2010, 12:10 PM
You do realize that storms like what hit the mid-Atlantic seaboard recently are in fact text book proof of what happens as a result of global warming, right?

Or are you just a talking points sock puppet with someone else's hand up your ass mouthing what they've told you to repeat?

one blow up of a volcano and you will be wish we had warmed the earth more . and guess what yellow Stone might be building up for what would be the end of man kind. people stop trying to us it is us that control the weather . you are wasting breath.

~Crash~
02-22-2010, 12:14 PM
Well said. I'm add "when those are telling us it's a crisis aren't the ones positioned to make their fortunes on it."

Yup, talking to you, Al Gore and Rajenda Pachauri...

what AL Gore ? the guy that idles 10 huge motors to keep the air cool in his enrage is a save the planet guy ...wow

dsmoot
02-22-2010, 05:17 PM
Since this is now officially the offseason, this is a snow thread part two. After not being able to dig out of 2 feet of snow dumped in the area Friday through Saturday, (following 17" of snow the previous week) we are now looking at another 1-2 feet of snow! I officially quit, and wave the white flag. For crying out loud, we've exceeded snow totals in Chicago! Four days of digging, and now this lunacy. My subdivision looks like the arctic cap...frozen walls of snow/ice from 4-6ft are everywhere, with road glaze around three inches thick. Feds and schools in every county and district are closed tomorrow (and probably for the rest of the week the way this is going). I love snow, but I ain't digging all the digging.

I took some pics, but need to get them digitized (whenever I get out of this mess). I'll post them when I get the chance.

25" officially in my front and side yards, with drifts to absurdity. The stuffs so high to my front you could fall down the steps and not hit anything. I had to ram the door open just to get out. http://scosoft.com/s/c/3d9be140.gif

I was born and lived in the Balt-DC area until I was 12. I hardly remember getting appreciable snow fall (except 1966). Mostly ice. Real freaky.