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elsid13
02-08-2010, 03:05 PM
First Buff at Broncoforums found this, but I am borrowing this to see if we know which agent she talking about.

# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/josinaanderson.


Translated it means - she having lunch with an agent, whose QB client does want to come to Denver because of McDaniels

+PS I know she is tweet, but any truth to this?

broncofan7
02-08-2010, 03:06 PM
Who is McNabb's agent?

EDIT: Fletcher Smith...IE Black male = The agent having lunch with the jo-shaniqua

Popps
02-08-2010, 03:11 PM
"Having lunch."

Is that what they call it now?

PRBronco
02-08-2010, 03:11 PM
Deciphering tweets gives me a brain tumour :(

The unabomber above me might be right. Of course that's assuming she's not just making **** up. I hate her so much.

Mogulseeker
02-08-2010, 03:13 PM
Dude who the hell is this woman, and why is she employed by a mainstream news network?

Requiem
02-08-2010, 03:15 PM
The social media outlets like Twitter and the like are giving an unreasonable voice to people who really don't deserve them and IMHO hurting our linguistic capabilities as humans. I don't see how anyone who would consider themselves a professional would resort to using such a tool, regardless of the simplicity and ease of access.

Mogulseeker
02-08-2010, 03:15 PM
I don't get this - is she saying that the Broncos are after Jamarcus Russell?

TheReverend
02-08-2010, 03:16 PM
She should buy several vowels

DenverBrit
02-08-2010, 03:17 PM
First Buff at Broncoforums found this, but I am borrowing this to see if we know which agent she talking about.

# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/josinaanderson.


Translated it means - she having lunch with an agent, whose QB client does want to come to Denver because of McDaniels

+PS I know she is tweet, but any truth to this?

I would have guessed Lamont Smith at All Pro in Denver, but he doesn't have a qb client that I can see.

Who knows with Josina, she throws out so much gossip that never comes to anything.

Also it looks like she's saying his QB doesn't want to come to Denver because of Josh McDaniels.

TheReverend
02-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Her follow up twitter I actually have no idea how to decipher:

"Oh boy! I've bn officially tasked nw 2 lk n2 smething. Good day to water the grass tho."

oh boy I've been officially tasked now to like and to something?

elsid13
02-08-2010, 03:19 PM
I would have guessed Lamont Smith at All Pro in Denver, but he doesn't have a qb client that I can see.

Who knows with Josina, she throws out so much gossip that never comes to anything.

Yeah we checked there. I bet we (OMANE and BF) could figure out who she is meet with.

PRBronco
02-08-2010, 03:20 PM
Her follow up twitter I actually have no idea how to decipher:

"Oh boy! I've bn officially tasked nw 2 lk n2 smething. Good day to water the grass tho."

oh boy I've been officially tasked now to like and to something?

A reporter felt the need to tweet that she's been tasked to look into something. Do her supervisors read this? Wtf else does she do, play minesweeper?

Also I feel like "water the grass" might be a street term for something nasty.

Archer81
02-08-2010, 03:23 PM
Her follow up twitter I actually have no idea how to decipher:

"Oh boy! I've bn officially tasked nw 2 lk n2 smething. Good day to water the grass tho."

oh boy I've been officially tasked now to like and to something?


Oh boy, Ive been officially tasked now to look into something. Good day to water the grass...hmm..


Even in normal english this ****ed up sentence makes no sense.

:Broncos:

Beantown Bronco
02-08-2010, 03:24 PM
"Having lunch."

Is that what they call it now?

Eating out without leaving the bedroom.

DenverBrit
02-08-2010, 03:25 PM
Eating out without leaving the bedroom.

A boxed lunch at the Y?

elsid13
02-08-2010, 03:25 PM
Oh boy, Ive been officially tasked now to look into something. Good day to water the grass...hmm..


Even in normal english this ****ed up sentence makes no sense.

:Broncos:

It does if you are high on meth or Mock

Popps
02-08-2010, 03:25 PM
The social media outlets like Twitter and the like are giving an unreasonable voice to people who really don't deserve them and IMHO hurting our linguistic capabilities as humans..

Wtevr yo. U dnt kno u tlk bout.

Los Broncos
02-08-2010, 03:27 PM
Dude who the hell is this woman, and why is she employed by a mainstream news network?

Same thing I wanted to say, doesn't mean anything, sounds like garbage.

broncosteven
02-08-2010, 03:27 PM
...
Also I feel like "water the grass" might be a street term for something nasty.

I biked a dude with my gat just to watch him water the grass once.

Rohirrim
02-08-2010, 03:44 PM
Tweet is for people too stupid to learn English grammar.

Cito Pelon
02-08-2010, 03:45 PM
Her follow up twitter I actually have no idea how to decipher:

"Oh boy! I've bn officially tasked nw 2 lk n2 smething. Good day to water the grass tho."

oh boy I've been officially tasked now to like and to something?

Link onto smellthing? Pissing on somebody's grass?

Mr.Meanie
02-08-2010, 03:52 PM
She writes exactly like my 13 yr old neice texts. Wow.

God I hate twitter.

24champ
02-08-2010, 04:07 PM
u shd be ashmd hosina

Chris
02-08-2010, 04:09 PM
Why do we listen to this lady? She is the worst reporter the Broncos have ever seen.

24champ
02-08-2010, 04:11 PM
Also I feel like "water the grass" might be a street term for something nasty.

mayb she grws grass, n liks 2 smke it.

Caveat Lector
02-08-2010, 04:14 PM
Dude who the hell is this woman, and why is she employed by a mainstream news network?

errrr.... She's employed by Fox. Say no more.

That One Guy
02-08-2010, 04:16 PM
If she weren't a black female... there's no chance she's employed.

At least she helps meet a quota so they can hire good reporters to take up her slack.

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 04:18 PM
First Buff at Broncoforums found this, but I am borrowing this to see if we know which agent she talking about.

# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/josinaanderson.


Translated it means - she having lunch with an agent, whose QB client does want to come to Denver because of McDaniels

+PS I know she is tweet, but any truth to this?

Is that some kind of code?

bombay
02-08-2010, 04:25 PM
Stupid skank lives for this kind of attention.

Mr.Meanie
02-08-2010, 04:32 PM
If she weren't a black female... there's no chance she's employed.

At least she helps meet a quota so they can hire good reporters to take up her slack.

oh no you didnt

That One Guy
02-08-2010, 04:44 PM
oh no you didnt

You mean "o no u dnt"

NASurfer
02-08-2010, 04:57 PM
First Buff at Broncoforums found this, but I am borrowing this to see if we know which agent she talking about.

# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/josinaanderson.


Translated it means - she having lunch with an agent, whose QB client does want to come to Denver because of McDaniels

+PS I know she is tweet, but any truth to this?
# Bout 2(to) hv(have) lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM(for Josh McDaniels?) maybe Broncos cd(Charlie Daniels?) gt (got?) his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. (they are not feeling Josh Mcdaniels?) :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck


I think I have it except the cd part, so I elaborated.

tsiguy96
02-08-2010, 05:01 PM
even teh most ardent mcdaniels haters dont use what josina says as arguments against him. well, a few people really dig hard for reasons, but the most logical anti-mcdaniels people.

Broncoman13
02-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Her follow up twitter I actually have no idea how to decipher:

"Oh boy! I've bn officially tasked nw 2 lk n2 smething. Good day to water the grass tho."

oh boy I've been officially tasked now to like and to something?

Look into something.

Broncoman13
02-08-2010, 05:05 PM
# Bout 2(to) hv(have) lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM(for Josh McDaniels?) maybe Broncos cd(Charlie Daniels?) gt (got?) his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. (they are not feeling Josh Mcdaniels?) :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck


I think I have it except the cd part, so I elaborated.


Are you guys serious?

cd= Could
gt= get

WolfpackGuy
02-08-2010, 05:08 PM
About to have lunch with one of my favorite agents. If it wasn't for "The Coach," maybe the Broncos could get his top client to replace Kyle Orton, but they're not feeling "The Coach." Is the agent Bus Cook?

BroncoBuff
02-08-2010, 05:13 PM
Shouldn't surprise anybody ... I hope no one is shocked by this.

Dagmar
02-08-2010, 05:16 PM
Shouldn't surprise anybody ... I hope no one is shocked by this.

Dude, you side with broncofan7 and Josina Anderson.

'nuff said.

bombquixote
02-08-2010, 05:23 PM
She writes exactly like my 13 yr old neice texts. Wow.

God I hate twitter.

Shefter on the other hand tweets coherently. So...I think I just hate Josina.

bronco militia
02-08-2010, 05:29 PM
i # Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM.

about to have lunch with one of my favorite agents. If it wasn't for Josh Mcdaniels maybe Broncos could get his top client to replace Kyle Orton, but they aren't feeling Josh McDaniels.

baja
02-08-2010, 05:36 PM
She should buy several vowels

LOL That was funny. ;D

theAPAOps5
02-08-2010, 05:38 PM
She has burned so many bridges with the Broncos that she is just going full on JM hate mode now. I am pretty sure she is talking about Bus Cook and of course he won't get Favre here.

TonyR
02-08-2010, 05:43 PM
Shouldn't surprise anybody ... I hope no one is shocked by this.

Huh?

BroncoBuff
02-08-2010, 05:44 PM
Huh?

Nobody should be shocked guys don't want to come here now.

tsiguy96
02-08-2010, 05:46 PM
Nobody should be shocked guys don't want to come here now.

and you know this...because josina said it?

:rofl:

SonOfLe-loLang
02-08-2010, 05:48 PM
Say what you want about McD, he makes QB's. Brady had his best season under him, he got Cassel a FAT contract, and though people hate on Orton, his stats this year were pretty damn impressive.

ColoradoDarin
02-08-2010, 05:48 PM
and you know this...because josina said it?

:rofl:

Of course there is NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION!!!oneone!!11!!

Like an agent wanting to drive up his client's price tag because "he will have to deal with Josh McDaniels" as the coach and, you know, coaching players.

24champ
02-08-2010, 05:54 PM
Nobody should be shocked guys don't want to come here now.

u dnt spk teh trth.

baja
02-08-2010, 05:58 PM
Nobody should be shocked guys don't want to come here now.

Tell me Buff are you enjoying respected poster status over at your new board or have they figured you out already? ;D

Dagmar
02-08-2010, 05:59 PM
Tell me Buff are you enjoying respected poster status over at your new board or have they figured you out already? ;D

:spit:

DBroncos4life
02-08-2010, 06:22 PM
I wonder how good she is...because she isn't much to look at. :wiggle:

blackpower
02-08-2010, 06:23 PM
trade orton for L.T.

broncswin
02-08-2010, 06:25 PM
Shouldn't surprise anybody ... I hope no one is shocked by this.

c'mon Buff you know better than to get behind Josie if you know what I mean...you are better than that:wiggle:

mizzoutigers
02-08-2010, 06:44 PM
ebonics, what a tard like all the rest of them

Archer81
02-08-2010, 06:45 PM
What is ebonics for slut? Josina?


:Broncos:

tsiguy96
02-08-2010, 06:46 PM
ebonics, what a tard like all the rest of them

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/6401703g69.gif

Archer81
02-08-2010, 06:48 PM
I wonder how good she is...because she isn't much to look at. :wiggle:


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:Broncos:

BigPlayShay
02-08-2010, 06:56 PM
My 2 cents. The agent is Joel Segal. He represents both Tavaris Jackson and Michael Vick. Neither of them are "feeling" Josh McDaniels because they would be asked to produce and might get yelled at sometimes.

2KBack
02-08-2010, 06:56 PM
ebonics, what a tard like all the rest of them

the rest of who exactly?

SoCalBronco
02-08-2010, 06:59 PM
My 2 cents. The agent is Joel Segal. He represents both Tavaris Jackson and Michael Vick. Neither of them are "feeling" Josh McDaniels because they would be asked to produce and might get yelled at sometimes.

I would hope that we would not be interested in either. Both are garbage options.

Archer81
02-08-2010, 07:00 PM
the rest of who exactly?


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:Broncos:

Florida_Bronco
02-08-2010, 07:04 PM
She has burned so many bridges with the Broncos that she is just going full on JM hate mode now. I am pretty sure she is talking about Bus Cook and of course he won't get Favre here.

Exactly.

KipCorrington25
02-08-2010, 07:28 PM
Anyone have an ebonics to english translator handy?

Archer81
02-08-2010, 07:35 PM
Anyone have an ebonics to english translator handy?


Ebonics is a fusion of english grammatical usage married with west african rythm and cadence...so...Uhh...no.


:Broncos:

TheReverend
02-08-2010, 09:27 PM
Okay, so I joined twitter just to address this situation and actually asked "What does this mean?" to her. She mistakenly thought I meant about the vagueness of her tweet and went into further detail lol

1. Oh boy! I've bn officially tasked nw 2 lk n2 smething. Good day to water the grass tho. @SI_JimTrotter (http://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter) u shd b proud of me. Bn mostly chill

2. Can't answer this right now, but I wanted to get back to u. RT @patrickturley (http://twitter.com/patrickturley): @JosinaAnderson (http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson) what does this mean?

3. @Patrickturley (http://twitter.com/Patrickturley) at any rate, I think personal feelings will be less of a dictator this go around in FA all around.

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson

So... credit her for responding... I supposed I should've been more clear about her abbreviations and slang, but regardless, some more vague insight

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-08-2010, 09:37 PM
She's always throwing her gossip out there and following up with a "I can't say anything right now" response.

That being said, I'm only going to use Josina for all my Broncos-related news from now on.

Paladin
02-08-2010, 09:42 PM
Not "feeling" Josh means they are not sure what his thoughts are. My guess is the agent and or the player have not spoken with McD, and McD has not expressed interest in the players, yet. To a point it would be a bit early to make contacts. I wonder if the player is Quinn or Anderson.

You feel me? (Means: "You understand me?)

She be feeling the Black groups, b*tches.

SoCalBronco
02-08-2010, 09:49 PM
"Having lunch."

Is that what they call it now?

Ok...that was pretty good, Popps.

ROFL!

OBF1
02-08-2010, 10:23 PM
First Buff at Broncoforums found this, but I am borrowing this to see if we know which agent she talking about.

# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/josinaanderson.


Translated it means - she having lunch with an agent, whose QB client does want to come to Denver because of McDaniels

+PS I know she is tweet, but any truth to this?

What it means is you need to get a freekin life and quit following its tweets. Jesus Christ already, you people need to get a life.

SportinOne
02-08-2010, 10:30 PM
Not "feeling" Josh means they are not sure what his thoughts are. My guess is the agent and or the player have not spoken with McD, and McD has not expressed interest in the players, yet. To a point it would be a bit early to make contacts. I wonder if the player is Quinn or Anderson.

You feel me? (Means: "You understand me?)

She be feeling the Black groups, b*tches.

Ha, no. That's not at all what that means.

Whomever wasn't "feeling" josh probably does not like josh. the person is rubbed the wrong way by josh. he doesn't share the same principles, basically.

TheReverend
02-08-2010, 10:30 PM
What it means is you need to get a freekin life and quit following its tweets. Jesus Christ already, you people need to get a life.

10.5 k posts bro. You're right here with us

maher_tyler
02-08-2010, 10:49 PM
The social media outlets like Twitter and the like are giving an unreasonable voice to people who really don't deserve them and IMHO hurting our linguistic capabilities as humans. I don't see how anyone who would consider themselves a professional would resort to using such a tool, regardless of the simplicity and ease of access.

Doesn't seem/look professional at all!!

broncocalijohn
02-08-2010, 11:09 PM
Ive been hereover 5 years and have read probably 20k Mock posts and I am still having trouble understanding a damn word she typed. Is she in that big of a hurry to not add a ****ing vowel or two? Is this ebonics cliff not style?

BroncoMan4ever
02-08-2010, 11:12 PM
First Buff at Broncoforums found this, but I am borrowing this to see if we know which agent she talking about.

# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM. :( about 3 hours ago from TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/josinaanderson.


Translated it means - she having lunch with an agent, whose QB client does want to come to Denver because of McDaniels

+PS I know she is tweet, but any truth to this?

truthfully i don't give a **** if this is real or not. look at FA QBs, and Orton is the top dog on that list. so what does it matter if her favorite agent reps a lesser talent that won't be an upgrade to Orton.

PRBronco
02-09-2010, 08:19 AM
at wrk rt now. wrking on thngs. will kp u posted.

Look, now I can be a fox news correspondent too!

gtown
02-09-2010, 08:28 AM
This reminds me of the scene in Airplane where they ask the passengers if there is anyone on board who speaks jive.

I've read and reread her tweet and it really doesn't make much sense in any context. It is gibberish just like most things on Twitter.

bronco militia
02-09-2010, 08:29 AM
# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM.

about to have lunch with one of my favorite agents. If it wasn't for Josh Mcdaniels maybe Broncos could get his top client to replace Kyle Orton, but they aren't feeling Josh McDaniels.

OABB
02-09-2010, 08:31 AM
Can't spell Twitter without twit.

oubronco
02-09-2010, 08:31 AM
# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM.

about to have lunch with one of my favorite agents. If it wasn't for Josh Mcdaniels maybe Broncos could get his top client to replace Kyle Orton, but they aren't feeling Josh McDaniels.

Oh their feeling him.......They are feeling him

bronco militia
02-09-2010, 08:32 AM
Oh their feeling him.......They are feeling him

fags! ;D

Br0nc0Buster
02-09-2010, 08:38 AM
She is an absolute joke

Nick "assclown" Athan looks like a real reporter compared to her

bronco militia
02-09-2010, 08:39 AM
She is an absolute joke

Nick "assclown" Athan looks like a real reporter compared to her

now you've gone to far.....:giggle:

Kaylore
02-09-2010, 08:53 AM
# Bout 2 hv lunch w/ 1 of my favorite agents. If it wasn't 4 JM maybe Broncos cd gt his top client 2 replace KO but they're nt feeling JM.

about to have lunch with one of my favorite agents. If it wasn't for Josh Mcdaniels maybe Broncos could get his top client to replace Kyle Orton, but they aren't feeling Josh McDaniels.

This what I assumed it meant when I read it. It's borderline unconscionable because it smears the coach with no context so guys like Bronco Buff who don't know any better assume "OH NOES EVRY PLR HATS US NOWW!!!!1!1!!."

We don't know several things.

Who is this top client whose agent is "spending time" with Josina? What top QB's are available? McNabb? He's technically under contract. I have trouble believing an agent would risk tampering by discussing any serious negotiations let alone slam a potential trade partner. This leads me to believe it's some free agent QB of which there are no "top clients" available. I'm going to assume it's some low-level backup and she's using flattery.
Josh McDaniels said no to this person and the agent is upset about it but there's no context. Maybe the player sucks. Maybe he doesn't fit the system. Do we trust This agent who's going to rip anyone that doesn't sign his client as stupid and Josina, the brightest football mind of our time to suggest that this player is an upgrade over Orton? How do we even know if this person is going to make things better here? Because Hosina and the agent say so? Ok.
"They're not feeling Josh McDaniels" means Josh doesn't want to pay what they're asking. No agent is going to deny a player employment because "they're not feeling it". They approached McDaniels and after hearing what the Broncos were willing to offer were disappointed/offended and had Josina smear him in a tweet. Real classy.


Even if you can read it, it's incredibly stupid.

baja
02-09-2010, 08:59 AM
This what I assumed it meant when I read it. It's borderline unconscionable because it smears the coach with no context so guys like Bronco Buff who don't know any better assume "OH NOES EVRY PLR HATS US NOWW!!!!1!1!!."

We don't know several things.

Who is this top client whose agent is "spending time" with Josina? What top QB's are available? McNabb? He's technically under contract. I have trouble believing an agent would risk tampering by discussing any serious negotiations let alone slam a potential trade partner. This leads me to believe it's some free agent QB of which there are no "top clients" available. I'm going to assume it's some low-level backup and she's using flattery.
Josh McDaniels said no to this person and the agent is upset about it but there's no context. Maybe the player sucks. Maybe he doesn't fit the system. Do we trust This agent who's going to rip anyone that doesn't sign his client as stupid and Josina, the brightest football mind of our time to suggest that this player is an upgrade over Orton? How do we even know if this person is going to make things better here? Because Hosina and the agent say so? Ok.
"They're not feeling Josh McDaniels" means Josh doesn't want to pay what they're asking. No agent is going to deny a player employment because "they're not feeling it". They approached McDaniels and after hearing what the Broncos were willing to offer were disappointed/offended and had Josina smear him in a tweet. Real classy.


Even if you can read it, it's incredibly stupid.

what I find amazing is this got to be 4 pages long.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 08:59 AM
This what I assumed it meant when I read it. It's borderline unconscionable because it smears the coach with no context so guys like Bronco Buff who don't know any better assume "OH NOES EVRY PLR HATS US NOWW!!!!1!1!!."

We don't know several things.

Who is this top client whose agent is "spending time" with Josina? What top QB's are available? McNabb? He's technically under contract. I have trouble believing an agent would risk tampering by discussing any serious negotiations let alone slam a potential trade partner. This leads me to believe it's some free agent QB of which there are no "top clients" available. I'm going to assume it's some low-level backup and she's using flattery.
Josh McDaniels said no to this person and the agent is upset about it but there's no context. Maybe the player sucks. Maybe he doesn't fit the system. Do we trust This agent who's going to rip anyone that doesn't sign his client as stupid and Josina, the brightest football mind of our time to suggest that this player is an upgrade over Orton? How do we even know if this person is going to make things better here? Because Hosina and the agent say so? Ok.
"They're not feeling Josh McDaniels" means Josh doesn't want to pay what they're asking. No agent is going to deny a player employment because "they're not feeling it". They approached McDaniels and after hearing what the Broncos were willing to offer were disappointed/offended and had Josina smear him in a tweet. Real classy.


Even if you can read it, it's incredibly stupid.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

oubronco
02-09-2010, 09:00 AM
what I find amazing is this got to be 4 pages long.

:notworthy

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:06 AM
She is an absolute joke

Nick "assclown" Athan looks like a real reporter compared to her

teh del iz dn!

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:08 AM
This what I assumed it meant when I read it. It's borderline unconscionable because it smears the coach with no context so guys like Bronco Buff who don't know any better assume "OH NOES EVRY PLR HATS US NOWW!!!!1!1!!."

We don't know several things.

Who is this top client whose agent is "spending time" with Josina? What top QB's are available? McNabb? He's technically under contract. I have trouble believing an agent would risk tampering by discussing any serious negotiations let alone slam a potential trade partner. This leads me to believe it's some free agent QB of which there are no "top clients" available. I'm going to assume it's some low-level backup and she's using flattery.
Josh McDaniels said no to this person and the agent is upset about it but there's no context. Maybe the player sucks. Maybe he doesn't fit the system. Do we trust This agent who's going to rip anyone that doesn't sign his client as stupid and Josina, the brightest football mind of our time to suggest that this player is an upgrade over Orton? How do we even know if this person is going to make things better here? Because Hosina and the agent say so? Ok.
"They're not feeling Josh McDaniels" means Josh doesn't want to pay what they're asking. No agent is going to deny a player employment because "they're not feeling it". They approached McDaniels and after hearing what the Broncos were willing to offer were disappointed/offended and had Josina smear him in a tweet. Real classy.


Even if you can read it, it's incredibly stupid.

It's incredibly unprofessional for one, and number two it reeks of BS.

I mean it's just standard josina tweets, blah blah blah and when someone asks her to elaborate, she cannot say anymore. Typical BS from this clown "reporter".

bronco militia
02-09-2010, 09:09 AM
teh del iz dn!

LOL...jossina's was much easier to cypher....

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:11 AM
and you know this...because josina said it?

:rofl:

You're kidding, right ... where have you been?

The exodus from here is eye-opening, and the evidence near overwhelming.

He still might succeed as head coach here, I hope he does. But thus far it's been a disaster. You don't need Josina to see that, all you need is a modicum of deductive reasoning.

bronco militia
02-09-2010, 09:12 AM
.

He still might succeed as head coach here, I hope he does. But thus far it's been a disaster.

I agree

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:13 AM
He still might succeed as head coach here, I hope he does. But thus far it's been a disaster.

What is this based on?

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 09:14 AM
What agent worth a damn would fly into Denver and tell a gossip hack like Josina anything about his clients with FA on the horizon??

We may not know which agents are in town, but you can bet your ass Dove Valley does.

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 09:16 AM
What is this based on?

Buffy's still pining for Jay and is inconsolable.

But he bravely types through the tears anyway. :D

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:18 AM
Buffy's still pining for Jay and is inconsolable.

But he bravely types through the tears anyway. :D

Remember, this is Buff who sides with Josina and Broncofan7. :giggle:

bronco militia
02-09-2010, 09:23 AM
What is this based on?

other than the 6-0 start, you are excited about the direction this team is heading because__________

IMO little josh is closer to getting fired. I'm not happy about it and only wish he gets things turned around

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:24 AM
Buffy's still pining for Jay and is inconsolable.

But he bravely types through the tears anyway. :D

The pining has ended, but yes ... the tears remain :vermeil:

Nice to see that I was right all along, though. Jay was a baby, that's true ... but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble. He is what myself and others thought last winter, a small-college authoritative mentality who calls a $10 million quarterback "the player."

Don't get me wrong, I understand that AT THE TIME we didn't know that ... those who faulted Jay 100% certainly were reasonable. Then. Now though, I'm not going to rub anybody's nose in it, but we see what people around the league think of Josh ... nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:29 AM
other than the 6-0 start, you are excited about the direction this team is heading because__________


It's the second year under his system, one that has been proven to work. We all know this team is under transition in the first year with so many changes made to the team. Hence why some posters, including myself thought it was going to be an ugly season, like 4-12.

I expect to see improvement under McDaniels in the second season, and that means playoffs.

IMO little josh is closer to getting fired.

I don't think he's close to getting fired at all.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:30 AM
The pining has ended, but yes ... the tears remain :vermeil:

Nice to see that I was right all along, though. Jay was a baby, that's true ... but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble. He is what myself and others thought last winter, a small-college authoritative mentality who calls a $10 million quarterback "the player."

Don't get me wrong, I understand that AT THE TIME we didn't know that ... those who faulted Jay 100% certainly were reasonable. Then. Now though, I'm not going to rub anybody's nose in it, but we see what people around the league think of Josh ... nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

Nobody likes him? NOBODY wants to play for him? Dude, you are embarrassing yourself.

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 09:33 AM
The pining has ended, but yes ... the tears remain :vermeil:

Nice to see that I was right all along, though. Jay was a baby, that's true ... but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble. He is what myself and others thought last winter, a small-college authoritative mentality who calls a $10 million quarterback "the player."

Don't get me wrong, I understand that AT THE TIME we didn't know that ... those who faulted Jay 100% certainly were reasonable. Then. Now though, I'm not going to rub anybody's nose in it, but we see what people around the league think of Josh ... nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

You arrived at that conclusion based on a twitter from the resident gossip, Josina?

You're joking, right?? 8')

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:35 AM
It's borderline unconscionable because it smears the coach with no context so guys like Bronco Buff who don't know any better assume "OH NOES EVRY PLR HATS US NOWW!!!!1!1!!."

I "don't know any better"? ... "Unconscionable"?!

Khan, we disagree, fine. But even without this McNabb nonsense (and it very well may be nonsense), there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh. Can't imagine denying that at this point.

Like I always say, he still might succeed here, I hope he does. His "my way or the highway" approach has worked again and again and again in NFL history. I just don't think it's an effective approach any longer, in the free agent era.

We'll see the next few months ... my guess is very few free agents will be coming here. We'll see.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:37 AM
I "don't know any better"?

C'mon, Khan ... we disagree, fine. But even without this McNabb nonsense (and it very well may be nonsense), there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh. Can't imagine denying that at this point.

Like I always say, he still might succeed here, I hope he does. His "my way or the highway" approach has worked again and again and again in NFL history. I just don't think it's an effective approach any longer, in the free agent era.

We'll see the next few months ... my guess is very few free agents will be coming here. We'll see.

Please prove this Buff. Show us the proof.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:38 AM
I "don't know any better"? ... "Unconscionable"?!

We'll see the next few months ... my guess is very few free agents will be coming here. We'll see.

Your guess? It was already stated that there would be a lot less free agents than last off season.

PRBronco
02-09-2010, 09:39 AM
I "don't know any better"? ... "Unconscionable"?!

Khan, we disagree, fine. But even without this McNabb nonsense (and it very well may be nonsense), there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh. Can't imagine denying that at this point.

Like I always say, he still might succeed here, I hope he does. His "my way or the highway" approach has worked again and again and again in NFL history. I just don't think it's an effective approach any longer, in the free agent era.

We'll see the next few months ... my guess is very few free agents will be coming here. We'll see.


Based on a Josina tweet?? I was far more concerned about Shanny alienating people than I am about McDaniels so far.

baja
02-09-2010, 09:42 AM
The pining has ended, but yes ... the tears remain :vermeil:

Nice to see that I was right all along, though. Jay was a baby, that's true ... but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble. He is what myself and others thought last winter, a small-college authoritative mentality who calls a $10 million quarterback "the player."

Don't get me wrong, I understand that AT THE TIME we didn't know that ... those who faulted Jay 100% certainly were reasonable. Then. Now though, I'm not going to rub anybody's nose in it, but we see what people around the league think of Josh ... <b>nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

Where do you get this shiit dude?

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:44 AM
Where do you get this shiit dude?

Have you been paying any attention at all?

And no PR, not based on the Josina tweet ... please read the whole post before you respond.

baja
02-09-2010, 09:45 AM
I "don't know any better"? ... "Unconscionable"?!

Khan, we disagree, fine. But even without this McNabb nonsense (and it very well may be nonsense), <b>there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh. Can't imagine denying that at this point.</b>

Like I always say, he still might succeed here, I hope he does. His "my way or the highway" approach has worked again and again and again in NFL history. I just don't think it's an effective approach any longer, in the free agent era.

We'll see the next few months ... my guess is very few free agents will be coming here. We'll see.

So it should be easy for you to post this compelling body of evidence. I'd like to see that evidence...

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:46 AM
So it should be easy for you to post this compelling body of evidence. I'd like to see that evidence...

Take off your blinders ... if you can. The evidence is all around you.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:47 AM
Have you been paying any attention at all?

You keep posting but have yet to prove any statements on the last 2 pages.

nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh

but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble.

We are waiting for your proof.

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:47 AM
there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh. Can't imagine denying that at this point.


Who doesn't want to play or coach for McDaniels? Far as I know, the Nolan thing happened because of a difference in philosophy and things ended on friendly terms.


As for players, I assume you have a long list of them? Let's see.

Tombstone RJ
02-09-2010, 09:47 AM
The pining has ended, but yes ... the tears remain :vermeil:

Nice to see that I was right all along, though. Jay was a baby, that's true ... but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble. He is what myself and others thought last winter, a small-college authoritative mentality who calls a $10 million quarterback "the player."

Don't get me wrong, I understand that AT THE TIME we didn't know that ... those who faulted Jay 100% certainly were reasonable. Then. Now though, I'm not going to rub anybody's nose in it, but we see what people around the league think of Josh ... nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

Your really reaching with this post.

baja
02-09-2010, 09:47 AM
Have you been paying any attention at all?

And no PR, not based on the Josina tweet ... please read the whole post before you respond.

Yes. Reference this compelling body of evidence you you continue to refer to.

baja
02-09-2010, 09:49 AM
Take off your blinders ... if you can. The evidence is all around you.

So are you stooping to full fledged troll status or are you going to back up your claims.

Archer81
02-09-2010, 09:50 AM
http://tinyurl.com/yfg4pn5
Josina


http://tinyurl.com/6mcsz9
The Hallway.

Any inferences made are done by the individual viewer, and not the most awesome maker of this post.

:Broncos:

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:50 AM
You keep posting but have yet to prove any statements on the last 2 pages.

We are waiting for your proof.

You just don't want to see, that's fine. But there is ample evidence if you're willing to look.

Interesting how everyone flocks to disagree ... I've said this before, and it's so true: Harsh attacks against opinions you disagree with is a sign of insecurity in your own position.

PRBronco
02-09-2010, 09:50 AM
Have you been paying any attention at all?

And no PR, not based on the Josina tweet ... please read the whole post before you respond.

Sorry, I didn't realize there could be something far more compelling.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:51 AM
So are you stooping to full fledged troll status or are you going to back up your claims.

Wow ... four multi-quoted and selectively quote-bolded posts on one page attacking my opinion.

That speaks volumes ...

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:52 AM
You just don't want to see, that's fine. But there is ample evidence if you're willing to look.

Interesting how everyone flocks to disagree ... I've said this before, and it's so true: Harsh attacks against opinions you disagree with is a sign of insecurity in your own position.

Ha!

Figures...

BigPlayShay
02-09-2010, 09:53 AM
nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

I think you are losing your mind dude.

Tombstone RJ
02-09-2010, 09:53 AM
You just don't want to see, that's fine. But there is ample evidence if you're willing to look.

Interesting how everyone flocks to disagree ... I've said this before, and it's so true: Harsh attacks against opinions you disagree with is a sign of insecurity in your own position.

What about the common sense questioning of your posts? What does that suggest? Too much Koolaide?

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:54 AM
So are you stooping to full fledged troll status or are you going to back up your claims.

Wow ... four multi-quoted and selectively-bolded posts on one page attacking my opinion.

That speaks volumes ...

baja
02-09-2010, 09:54 AM
You just don't want to see, that's fine. But there is ample evidence if you're willing to look.

Interesting how everyone flocks to disagree ... I've said this before, and it's so true: Harsh attacks against opinions you disagree with is a sign of insecurity in your own position.

Harsh attacks???

All anyone is asking for is proof of your claims. You say the signs are everywhere so it should be easy to prove your claim that players and coaches do not want to work for McD.

You have our attention, your play.

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:55 AM
What about the common sense questioning of your posts? What does that suggest? Too much Koolaide?

You don't want to see...Hilarious!

Archer81
02-09-2010, 09:55 AM
So one reporter who has a 2% success rate when discussing the Broncos or bringing us "bombshell" news is suddenly the Cassandra of Denver, Colorado because she happens to dislike McDaniels...hmm...


:Broncos:

TheDave
02-09-2010, 09:56 AM
Twitter is going to make this the longest offseason ever...

http://www.ginside.com/content/2009/08/google-twitter-is.jpg

baja
02-09-2010, 09:57 AM
Wow ... four multi-quoted and selectively-bolded posts on one page attacking my opinion.

That speaks volumes ...

What it speaks to me is you have fallen to troll status unless you can back up your claims. What I see is you are agitating and that is what trolls do.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:57 AM
You just don't want to see, that's fine. But there is ample evidence if you're willing to look.

Interesting how everyone flocks to disagree ... I've said this before, and it's so true: Harsh attacks against opinions you disagree with is a sign of insecurity in your own position.

Who is "harshly" attacking you? Everyone is asking you back up your claims, which you currently are still refusing to do.

Doggcow
02-09-2010, 09:57 AM
Harsh attacks???

All anyone is asking for is proof of your claims. You say the signs are everywhere so it should be easy to prove your claim that players and coaches do not want to work for McD.

You have our attention, your play.

When you poke holes in someones argument and then the wind blows and rips them into gaping wide flaws. It's a harsh attack.

24champ
02-09-2010, 09:58 AM
So one reporter who has a 2% success rate

That figure seems a little high to me.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 09:59 AM
What about the common sense questioning of your posts? What does that suggest? Too much Koolaide?

How about this for "common sense": Denial of the circumstances that seem to indicate people don't want to play or coach for him fails in common sense terms. The evidence of disenchantment here is evident in the exodus and looming exodus of players and coaches.

None of these responses use common sense, Tombstone ... they all say "where's your evidence?" Which is silly. From Cutler to Nolan, the evidence is everywhere, if you're willing to look.

What lacks common sense is the contorted excuses - for each separate guy - as to why Josh is not a factor in their departures and looming departures. It's called Occam's Razor ... the simplest explanation tends to be true, and the common thread here - from Cutler to Nolan and everybody in between - is Josh.

baja
02-09-2010, 09:59 AM
Buff you're not even a good troll.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:00 AM
Buff you're not even a good troll.

Now THAT'S common sense!

Congratulations, you win :~ohyah!:

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 10:00 AM
Take off your blinders ... if you can. The evidence is all around you.

Evidence?? You have none!! I object!!

Judge Chamberlain Haller: "Sustained".

"Counselor's entire opening statement... with the exception of "thank you"... will be stricken from the record."

Kaylore
02-09-2010, 10:00 AM
I "don't know any better"? ... "Unconscionable"?!

Khan, we disagree, fine. But even without this McNabb nonsense (and it very well may be nonsense), there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh. Can't imagine denying that at this point.

Like I always say, he still might succeed here, I hope he does. His "my way or the highway" approach has worked again and again and again in NFL history. I just don't think it's an effective approach any longer, in the free agent era.

We'll see the next few months ... my guess is very few free agents will be coming here. We'll see.
How is 8-8 a disaster, Buff? Seriously. You didn't call it a disaster last year and we had a much easier schedule and lost to a lot of crappy teams and got destroyed by good ones. I'm not going to say I'm happy with how things are now, but do you honestly think Josh is "a disaster" compared to...what? Was Shanahan then an abomination for doing 8-8 three seasons in a row? What about the Buccs and the Rams? Or the Chiefs, who have had just as many moves and still come up short. What is acceptable in the first year of a head coach?

It's at the absolute worst a lateral move, and in my opinion when you factor in the new system, personnel and improvements on defense, a tiny step forward. You want to get all upset about some ho-bag's tweet as evidence that Josh "ruined" this once proud franchise by taking an 8-8 team and going *GASP* 8-8 with them then by all means, drama away.

Archer81
02-09-2010, 10:01 AM
That figure seems a little high to me.

I dont know if you can call anything below 1% successful. So I was being generous. Its like saying the fat chick has a nice personality so you dont hurt her feelings...


:Broncos:

broncosteven
02-09-2010, 10:03 AM
Buff you're not even a good troll.

Yah Buff, you suck as a troll!

You need to start a poll or 10 every day instigating the board into picking sides and starting fights that go to the death...at least InteRneTs death.

Didn't you learn anything from last season & off season?

Archer81
02-09-2010, 10:04 AM
Yah Buff, you suck as a troll!

You need to start a poll or 10 every day instigating the board into picking sides and starting fights that go to the death...at least InteRneTs death.

Didn't you learn anything from last season & off season?


Its an Orangemane version of Lord of the Flies.


:Broncos:

Mr.Meanie
02-09-2010, 10:07 AM
there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh. Can't imagine denying that at this point.

I'm still waiting to read about this "compelling body of evidence"...

BigPlayShay
02-09-2010, 10:08 AM
How about this for "common sense": Denial of the circumstances that seem to indicate people don't want to play or coach for him fails in common sense terms. The evidence of disenchantment here is evident in the exodus and looming exodus of players and coaches.

None of these responses use common sense, Tombstone ... they all say "where's your evidence?" Which is silly. From Cutler to Nolan, the evidence is everywhere, if you're willing to look.

What lacks common sense is the contorted excuses - for each separate guy - as to why Josh is not a factor in their departures and looming departures. It's called Occam's Razor ... the simplest explanation tends to be true, and the common thread here - from Cutler to Nolan and everybody in between - is Josh.

There is just as much evidence, if not more that people don't want to work with Cutler. For that matter one could come to the conclusion that Nolan is difficult to work with considering he has been fired from other positions for his my way or the highway attitude.

PRBronco
02-09-2010, 10:09 AM
How about this for "common sense": Denial of the circumstances that seem to indicate people don't want to play or coach for him fails in common sense terms. The evidence of disenchantment here is evident in the exodus and looming exodus of players and coaches.

None of these responses use common sense, Tombstone ... they all say "where's your evidence?" Which is silly. From Cutler to Nolan, the evidence is everywhere, if you're willing to look.

What lacks common sense is the contorted excuses - for each separate guy - as to why Josh is not a factor in their departures and looming departures. It's called Occam's Razor ... the simplest explanation tends to be true, and the common thread here - from Cutler to Nolan and everybody in between - is Josh.


What about the former Patriots players coming here as free agents? They all knew exactly what to expect. What about the positive feedback from the remaining Pats players when asked about him when he first got here? What about Brian Dawkins ffs? If Brian Dawkins says things are ok, you best believe things are ok.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:09 AM
How is 8-8 a disaster, Buff? Seriously.

I can't imagine how you can describe this season as 8-8 ... of course it was 8-8, but finishing 2-8 is unthinkable, just unthinkable. Did you defend last year as "we were 8-8 Buff!" No you didn't, you talked about - RIGHTLY talked about - yet another Shanahan late season collapse.

And the reality is the Shanahan collapses pale compared to this one ... this collapse was historic. When the season ended, we were the worst team in the league. Finishing up with home losses to the Raiders and Chefs - two of the 4 or 5 worst teams in the league - and our biggest rivals - with the playoffs on the line - proves this pretty clearly.

Doggcow
02-09-2010, 10:14 AM
I can't imagine how you can describe this season as 8-8 ... of course it was 8-8, but finishing 2-8 is unthinkable, just unthinkable. Did you defend last year as "we were 8-8 Buff!" No you didn't, you talked about - RIGHTLY talked about - yet another Shanahan late season collapse.

And the reality is the Shanahan collapses pale compared to this one ... this collapse was historic. When the season ended, we were the worst team in the league. Finishing up with home losses to the Raiders and Chefs - two of the 4 or 5 worst teams in the league - and our biggest rivals - with the playoffs on the line - proves this pretty clearly.

So you're going to the well again?

**** MCD FOR MAKING US LOOK GOOD FOR A FEW WEEKS BY PATCHING SOME WEAKNESSES, WHAT A STUPID IDIOT FOR NOT CUTTING OUR WHOLE OLINE SAVE CLADY!

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 10:15 AM
I can't imagine how you can describe this season as 8-8 ... of course it was 8-8, but finishing 2-8 is unthinkable, just unthinkable. Did you defend last year as "we were 8-8 Buff!" No you didn't, you talked about - RIGHTLY talked about - yet another Shanahan late season collapse.

And the reality is the Shanahan collapses pale compared to this one ... this collapse was historic. When the season ended, we were the worst team in the league. Finishing up with home losses to the Raiders and Chefs - two of the 4 or 5 worst teams in the league - and our biggest rivals - with the playoffs on the line - proves this pretty clearly.

Yeah, it pales in comparison to 2008.

A 3 game division lead with 3 games to go and losing every one of them. An NFL record no less.

Missed the play-offs again........ three years in a row.

Surely you recall 2008.

bombay
02-09-2010, 10:15 AM
Nolen is only on his 8th NFL gig.

24champ
02-09-2010, 10:15 AM
I can't imagine how you can describe this season as 8-8 ... of course it was 8-8, but finishing 2-8 is unthinkable, just unthinkable. Did you defend last year as "we were 8-8 Buff!" No you didn't, you talked about - RIGHTLY talked about - yet another Shanahan late season collapse.

And the reality is the Shanahan collapses pale compared to this one ... this collapse was historic. When the season ended, we were the worst team in the league. Finishing up with home losses to the Raiders and Chefs - two of the 4 or 5 worst teams in the league - and our biggest rivals - with the playoffs on the line - proves this pretty clearly.

http://threadbombing.com/data/media/2/215yc2.gif

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:15 AM
and the common thread here - from Cutler to Nolan and everybody in between - is Josh.

This is his compelling evidence folks.

PRBronco
02-09-2010, 10:20 AM
This is his compelling evidence folks.

Everyone in between? Oh right, I'll never forgive him for forcing Jamie Winborn and Nate Webster out.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:21 AM
Yeah, it pales in comparison to 2008.

A 3 game division lead with 3 games to go and losing every one of them. An NFL record no less.

Missed the play-offs again........ three years in a row.

Surely you recall 2008.

I'm perplexed ... I don't know how to combat this kind of silliness.

Yes I remember 2008, my post said we "RIGHTLY talked about (that) collapse." So please, if you have any confidence in your opinion, stop putting words and opinions in my mouth. If you're correct, you don't need to do that.

I think this collapse was worse than 2008 ... this was an utter breakdown and complete collapse at mid-season, falling to the point we finished as the worst or at least among the worst 2 or 3 teams in the league. Which is unlike last year when we won road games at Atlanta, Jets and Browns in the second half of the season. Don't get me wrong, 2008 was an historic collapse too, but that team didn't fall utterly to pieces after Week 6.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:21 AM
I don't think anyone is being harsh, you are being asked to back up your blanket statements and won't give any proof other than more conjecture on your part.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:23 AM
I'm perplexed ... I don't know how to combat this kind of silliness.

Yes I remember 2008, my post said we "RIGHTLY talked about (that) collapse." So please, if you have any confidence in your opinion, stop putting words and opinions in my mouth. If you're correct, you don't need to do that.

I think this collapse was worse than 2008 ... this was an utter breakdown and complete collapse at mid-season, falling to the point we finished as the worst or at least among the worst 2 or 3 teams in the league. Which is unlike last year when we won road games at Atlanta, Jets and Browns in the second half of the season. Don't get me wrong, 2008 was an historic collapse too, but that team didn't fall utterly to pieces after Week 6.

I don't know about DenverBrit, but most people on this thread are asking for the proof for your statement that McDaniels is hated throughout the league and no one wants to work for/play for him.

baja
02-09-2010, 10:25 AM
I don't think anyone is being harsh, you are being asked to back up your blanket statements and won't give any proof other than more conjecture on your part.

Which leads me to believe he has taken up the past time of trolling. What else can one think with the body of evidence he has provided.

Rock Chalk
02-09-2010, 10:27 AM
www.twatter.com

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:29 AM
I don't know about DenverBrit, but most people on this thread are asking for the proof for your statement that McDaniels is hated throughout the league and no one wants to work for/play for him.

Again, words in my mouth. I never said "hated."

And the evidence appears to be very strong, if not overwhelming.

At least if you're willing to look, and you're willing to avoid contorted, individualized explanations for each departure and looming departure ...



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3331&dateline=1247637491

"This is how many guys I have left"

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:31 AM
Which leads me to believe he has taken up the past time of trolling. What else can one think with the body of evidence he has provided.

It's 'pastime' ... and again, why are you so threatened by my opinion?

baja
02-09-2010, 10:31 AM
Again, words in my mouth. I never said "hated."

<b>And the evidence appears to be very strong, if not overwhelming. </b>

At least if you're willing to look, and you're willing to avoid contorted, individualized explanations for each departure and looming departure ...



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3331&dateline=1247637491

"This is how many guys I have left"

Fine than it will be easy for you to post......

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:32 AM
Again, words in my mouth. I never said "hated."

And the evidence appears to be very strong, if not overwhelming.

At least if you're willing to look, and you're willing to avoid contorted, individualized explanations for each departure and looming departure ...


Buff. Seriously. Tell us the proof.

And you seriously think we should avoid "individualized explanations for each departure". Seriously?

Sorry you didn't say hated, you said "but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble. "

Proof. Please give the people asking you here proof.

Mr.Meanie
02-09-2010, 10:32 AM
McD attracted arguably the best free agent crop of 2009, including an absolute freak and a leader of men in Brian Dawkins.

He also happend to put bring in a very good staff, including Martindale and Nolan.

The "compelling evidence" is actually that he's a very good recruiter, and can attract top notch talent - despite what Josina's twat says.

baja
02-09-2010, 10:33 AM
It's 'pastime' ... and again, why are you so threatened by my opinion?

Not threatened just calling you on your poor attempt to troll the board.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:33 AM
It's 'pastime' ... and again, why are you so threatened by my opinion?

No one is threatened by it, we want the proof it is based upon which you have refused to give for 3 pages now.

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 10:34 AM
I'm perplexed ... I don't know how to combat this kind of silliness.



Good!! Now you know how we all feel when you illogically keep rambling on.

If you have anything to back up your rhetoric, post it, but to keep whining about 'missing the playoffs' is your kind of "silliness."

We all know how to play that game.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:34 AM
I think you guys don't understand what constitutes evidence or "proof."

There's plenty of it, if you're willing to look.

baja
02-09-2010, 10:35 AM
My guess is you found a new home and have come back here to stur some shiit for your pleasure. You'll probably link this thread to your new board and make some "see I told you about these guys over there" posts.

baja
02-09-2010, 10:36 AM
You're not fooling anyone Buff.

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 10:37 AM
Again, words in my mouth. I never said "hated."

And the evidence appears to be very strong, if not overwhelming.

At least if you're willing to look, and you're willing to avoid contorted, individualized explanations for each departure and looming departure ...



Stop stalling and post the "overwhelming evidence."

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:37 AM
Good!! Now you know how we all feel when you illogically keep rambling on.

If you have anything to back up your rhetoric, post it, but to keep whining about 'missing the playoffs' is your kind of "silliness."

We all know how to play that game.

Interesting how my one little opinion about Josh has broken so many vaginas here :~ohyah!:

GUys, it's called insecurity ... those who are satisfied and secure in their own positions and beliefs have no need nor inclination to attack another's, especially not with personal slams and insults.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:37 AM
I think you guys don't understand what constitutes evidence or "proof."

There's plenty of it, if you're willing to look.

Oh. My. God.

I have to agree with Baja, you could have put this argument to bed by posting this easily accessible "proof" but have refused to, in order to keep the argument going. I don't get why though. It's now trolling the Orangemane, never thought I'd see that from you.

Rock Chalk
02-09-2010, 10:38 AM
Again, words in my mouth. I never said "hated."

And the evidence appears to be very strong, if not overwhelming.

At least if you're willing to look, and you're willing to avoid contorted, individualized explanations for each departure and looming departure ...



Do I have to school you on these "so-called" departures again?

You keep talking about them as if its because no one likes McDaniels.

So, once again, let's go over all of the departures.

Jay Cutler - Whined his way out of town, McD came here specifically to work with Cutler but Cutler is a ****ing baby.

Entire 2008 Defensive Staff - Sucked balls had to go.

Mike Nolan - The two had never worked together, knew each other from a mutual agent, tried it out, didn't work out due to philosophical differences. Amicable parting of ways.

Bobby Turner - Left to reunite with Coach Shanahan and every one and their mother knew that was going to happen when Shanny took a new job.

Rick Dennison - Lifelong Bronco but his line blocking scheme is not in the overall plans here, like Nolan, tried to merge the systems but it didn't have good results. Left to reunite with Gary Kubiak.

Goodman - Overrated GM fired by Bowlen not McDaniels. Took his son with him and the last vestiges of nepotism in the organization.

Everyone else that has already departed was kicked off the team because they ****ing sucked.

You really are unintelligent. Before I thought maybe you just played the antagonist but now, its pretty clear you're eternal hatred for the Denver Broncos in general clouds your judgement and forces you to type some of the most retarded and outlandish claims the internetz has ever seen.

PRBronco
02-09-2010, 10:43 AM
Do I have to school you on these "so-called" departures again?

You keep talking about them as if its because no one likes McDaniels.

So, once again, let's go over all of the departures.

Jay Cutler - Whined his way out of town, McD came here specifically to work with Cutler but Cutler is a ****ing baby.

Entire 2008 Defensive Staff - Sucked balls had to go.

Mike Nolan - The two had never worked together, knew each other from a mutual agent, tried it out, didn't work out due to philosophical differences. Amicable parting of ways.

Bobby Turner - Left to reunite with Coach Shanahan and every one and their mother knew that was going to happen when Shanny took a new job.

Rick Dennison - Lifelong Bronco but his line blocking scheme is not in the overall plans here, like Nolan, tried to merge the systems but it didn't have good results. Left to reunite with Gary Kubiak.

Goodman - Overrated GM fired by Bowlen not McDaniels. Took his son with him and the last vestiges of nepotism in the organization.

Everyone else that has already departed was kicked off the team because they ****ing sucked.

You really are unintelligent. Before I thought maybe you just played the antagonist but now, its pretty clear you're eternal hatred for the Denver Broncos in general clouds your judgement and forces you to type some of the most retarded and outlandish claims the internetz has ever seen.

http://www.funnystuffblog.com/images/granny-owned.jpg

Rohirrim
02-09-2010, 10:43 AM
Interesting how my one little opinion about Josh has broken so many vaginas here :~ohyah!:

GUys, it's called insecurity ... those who are satisfied and secure in their own positions and beliefs have no need nor inclination to attack another's, especially not with personal slams and insults.

Ha! There's some circular reasoning for ya. Fun thread.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:44 AM
Oh. My. God.

I have to agree with Baja, you could have put this argument to bed by posting this easily accessible "proof" but have refused to, in order to keep the argument going. I don't get why though. It's now trolling the Orangemane, never thought I'd see that from you.

In the first place, it's called "evidence", not "proof," and again, putting words in my mouth is no way to argue.

So I don't like Josh, so tf what? Why are you so threatened by my opinion?! Besides, I strongly embraced Josh when he was hired, I was one of the first to say I liked the hire. I think post #6 in the poll when he was hired. Problem is, there has piled up more and more evidence his approach has alienated players, coaches, and potential free agents. AMPLE evidence.


Here guys, this will cure what ails you:


http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=271880&d=1251216999

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:45 AM
In the first place, it's called "evidence", not "proof," and again, putting words in my mouth is no way to argue.

So I don't like Josh, so tf what? Why are you so threatened by my opinion?! Besides, I strongly embraced Josh when he was hired, I was one of the first to say I liked the hire. I think post #6 in the poll when he was hired. Problem is, there has piled up more and more evidence his approach has alienated players, coaches, and potential free agents. AMPLE evidence.



Show the evidence the Buff. Show us all if you are right.

bombay
02-09-2010, 10:46 AM
What an odd person.

Mr.Meanie
02-09-2010, 10:47 AM
Lets examine this exchange in another context:

Buff: The Holocaust is a complete hoax. There is compelling evidence that proves it never happened.

Omane: Huh? What evidence?

Buff: It's all out there, all you have to do is go look for it.

Omane: You are the one claiming there is "compelling evidence"...let's see it.

Buff: You guys are so insecure. Did I hurt your feelings by stating the facts?

Omane: Wow...

baja
02-09-2010, 10:47 AM
In the first place, it's called "evidence", not "proof," and again, putting words in my mouth is no way to argue.




http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=271880&d=1251216999

So is that your evidence???

baja
02-09-2010, 10:50 AM
In the first place, it's called "evidence", not "proof," and again, putting words in my mouth is no way to argue.

So I don't like Josh, so tf what? Why are you so threatened by my opinion?! Besides, I strongly embraced Josh when he was hired, I was one of the first to say I liked the hire. I think post #6 in the poll when he was hired. Problem is, there has piled up more and more evidence his approach has alienated players, coaches, and potential free agents. AMPLE evidence.


Here guys, this will cure what ails you:


http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=271880&d=1251216999

Dude you are clearly trolling, question is why?

Are you trying to impress your new buddies on your new board?

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 10:51 AM
Dude you are clearly trolling, question is why?

Are you trying to impress your new buddies on your new board?

What's his new board? Is that what he is doing? How sad.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:52 AM
Do I have to school you on these "so-called" departures again?

You keep talking about them as if its because no one likes McDaniels.

So, once again, let's go over all of the departures.

Jay Cutler - Whined his way out of town, McD came here specifically to work with Cutler but Cutler is a ****ing baby.

Entire 2008 Defensive Staff - Sucked balls had to go.

Mike Nolan - The two had never worked together, knew each other from a mutual agent, tried it out, didn't work out due to philosophical differences. Amicable parting of ways.

Bobby Turner - Left to reunite with Coach Shanahan and every one and their mother knew that was going to happen when Shanny took a new job.

Rick Dennison - Lifelong Bronco but his line blocking scheme is not in the overall plans here, like Nolan, tried to merge the systems but it didn't have good results. Left to reunite with Gary Kubiak.

Goodman - Overrated GM fired by Bowlen not McDaniels. Took his son with him and the last vestiges of nepotism in the organization.

Everyone else that has already departed was kicked off the team because they ****ing sucked.

You really are unintelligent. Before I thought maybe you just played the antagonist but now, its pretty clear you're eternal hatred for the Denver Broncos in general clouds your judgement and forces you to type some of the most retarded and outlandish claims the internetz has ever seen.

See, this is what I'm talking about. You guys are smarter than this ... cool your jets and think about it: Which is more likely, these numerous and specific individualized explanations for each separate departure (and looming departure)? Or is it more likely that the atmosphere has changed in a way that many wish to leave? I shouldn't have to explain this. It's not PROOF that my position is the correct one, but it's pretty good evidence it very well might be.

People didn't leave Shanahan like this ... he fired DCs, sure, in the end that was probably his downfall. But I don't recall players and coaches leaving like this.

And YET AGAIN: Josh's approach might work once we get some pieces in place, I hope it does. But from a practical, logical standpoint, the personnel losses we've sustained will hurt: We now need a QBOTF and a #1 WR. The resources we're now compelled to expend to replace these guys could better have been used elsewhere.

24champ
02-09-2010, 10:57 AM
See, this is what I'm talking about. You guys are smarter than this ... cool your jets and think about it: Which is more likely, these numerous and specific individualized explanations for each separate departure (and looming departure)? Or is it more likely that the atmosphere has changed in a way that many wish to leave? I shouldn't have to explain this. It's not PROOF that my position is the correct one, but it's pretty good evidence it very well might be.

People didn't leave Shanahan like this ... he fired DCs, sure, in the end that was probably his downfall. But I don't recall players and coaches leaving like this.

And YET AGAIN: Josh's approach might work once we get some pieces in place, I hope it does. But from a practical, logical standpoint, the personnel losses we've sustained will hurt: We now need a QBOTF and a #1 WR. The resources we're now compelled to expend to replace these guys could better have been used elsewhere.

Christ, you really went off into the deep end...

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 10:59 AM
Christ, you really went off into the deep end...

Wow, we really disagree ... I re-read that post, and it was truly spot-on.

The Denver Post agrees:


Giving up on a Pro Bowl wideout one year after giving up on a Pro Bowl quarterback seems like a high price to pay for McDaniels to establish his authority.

Denver Post

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 11:01 AM
I must have missed the news of the Brandon Marshall trade.

baja
02-09-2010, 11:02 AM
What's his new board? Is that what he is doing? How sad.

It was posted here by another poster. He quoted Buff from another board which I do not recall at the moment.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 11:02 AM
now, its pretty clear you're eternal hatred for the Denver Broncos in general clouds your judgement and forces you to type some of the most retarded and outlandish claims the internetz has ever seen.

Got me, sheriff. Certainly no hyperbole there ... just cold hard logic.

Chris
02-09-2010, 11:04 AM
Other than a terrible QB named Jay Cutler I'm not sure who we've lost. I'll tell you who we've gained:

Brian Dawkins
Andre Goodman
Andra Davis
Jabar Gaffney
Correll Buckhalter
Renaldo Hill
Vonnie Holliday

24champ
02-09-2010, 11:05 AM
Wow, we really disagree ... I re-read that post, and it was truly spot-on.

It was. You have a flair for the dramatics and it's all based on speculation. Alec summed it up pretty nicely for you...I'd suggest you read that post again.






The Denver Post agrees:

Once again, a one sentence speculation blurb from the DPO...and that's your evidence that players are leaving in droves?Ha!

Paladin
02-09-2010, 11:06 AM
Buff: That was an opinion piece/speculation by Kreiger, I think. They keep saying that McD 'got rid of" Quitler, and they are printing stupid innuendos about McD and Marshall. The local media is dirt crap because it keeps feeding the lunatic fringe of the Broncos Fandom.

Yes, Buff, you are a memeber of the lunatic fringe.

baja
02-09-2010, 11:06 AM
Other than a terrible QB named Jay Cutler I'm not sure who we've lost. I'll tell you who we've gained:

Brian Dawkins
Andre Goodman
Andra Davis
Jabar Gaffney
Correll Buckhalter
Renaldo Hill
Vonnie Holliday

Don't you know there is evidence everywhere that these guys hate Josh and are only here for the money, Buff said so and that should be good enough for you.

24champ
02-09-2010, 11:08 AM
Buff: That was an opinion piece/speculation by Kreiger, I think. They keep saying that McD 'got rid of" Quitler, and they are printing stupid innuendos about McD and Marshall. The local media is dirt crap because it keeps feeding the lunatic fringe of the Broncos Fandom.

Yes, Buff, you are a memeber of the lunatic fringe.

I agree, even on the radio they make stuff up...they do this to sell papers and get listeners.

All about the $$$.

WolfpackGuy
02-09-2010, 11:08 AM
Other than a terrible QB named Jay Cutler I'm not sure who we've lost. I'll tell you who we've gained:

Brian Dawkins
Andre Goodman
Andra Davis
Jabar Gaffney
Correll Buckhalter
Renaldo Hill
Vonnie Holliday

Don't forget Moreno, Ayers, Smith, and Quinn!

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 11:15 AM
Other than a terrible QB named Jay Cutler I'm not sure who we've lost. I'll tell you who we've gained:

Brian Dawkins
Andre Goodman
Andra Davis
Jabar Gaffney
Correll Buckhalter
Renaldo Hill
Vonnie Holliday

You forgot Orton. We'll see this year, though ... now that he's had the time to establish the environment and approach he favors.

And of course Wolfpack, draft picks have no bearing.

Mr.Meanie
02-09-2010, 11:19 AM
You forgot Orton. We'll see this year, though ... now that he's had the time to establish the environment and approach he favors.

And of course Wolfpack, draft picks have no bearing.

They have no bearing when you're talking about overwhelming evidence of free agents and coaches not wanting to come play for McD. Last I checked, draft picks don't really have a say.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 11:19 AM
"That's just their opinion, Buff!" ... "They're making it up, Buff!" ... "They're just trying to sell papers. Buff!" ... "That's speculation, Buff!" ... "It's all about the $$$, Buff!" ... "The Post sucks, Buff!"


Are you guys listening to yourselves? Sad, really ... obviously I am far from the only one with these opinions.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 11:20 AM
Seriously Buff, answer this.

Why will you not post the overwhelming evidence of free agents and coaches not wanting to come play for McDaniels you say is so readily available?

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 11:20 AM
They have no bearing when you're talking about overwhelming evidence of free agents and coaches not wanting to come play for McD. Last I checked, draft picks don't really have a say.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Guys, I could be wrong about Josh. But you see, that's the difference between you and me: I can acknowledge that I might be wrong, while obviously none of you can.

Do you see how that's important?

DenverBrit
02-09-2010, 11:22 AM
Interesting how my one little opinion about Josh has broken so many vaginas here :~ohyah!:

GUys, it's called insecurity ... those who are satisfied and secure in their own positions and beliefs have no need nor inclination to attack another's, especially not with personal slams and insults.

If you don't have evidence to back your rhetoric, just say so.

Blueflame
02-09-2010, 11:35 AM
It was posted here by another poster. He quoted Buff from another board which I do not recall at the moment.

Totally different poster... the "other" Buff is a college student.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 11:40 AM
Totally different poster... the "other" Buff is a college student.

Old people go to college too.

baja
02-09-2010, 11:42 AM
Yeah, that's what I meant.

Guys, I could be wrong about Josh. But you see, that's the difference between you and me: I can acknowledge that I might be wrong, while obviously none of you can.

Do you see how that's important?

I don't have to say I might be wrong because I have no idea how well liked Josh McDaniels is by players and coaches. All I asked for was for you to post some of this overwhelming evidence you say is readily available which I can't seem to find.

Blueflame
02-09-2010, 11:46 AM
Old people go to college too.

Still a different poster. Buff lives in Washington state and the "other" Buff lives in Colorado. Among the Bronco fanbase, there are a lot of fans who also like the Buffs.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 11:56 AM
Still a different poster. Buff lives in Washington state and the "other" Buff lives in Colorado. Among the Bronco fanbase, there are a lot of fans who also like the Buffs.

:welcome:

broncosteven
02-09-2010, 11:59 AM
Do I have to school you on these "so-called" departures again?

You keep talking about them as if its because no one likes McDaniels.

So, once again, let's go over all of the departures.

Jay Cutler - Whined his way out of town, McD came here specifically to work with Cutler but Cutler is a ****ing baby.

Entire 2008 Defensive Staff - Sucked balls had to go.

Mike Nolan - The two had never worked together, knew each other from a mutual agent, tried it out, didn't work out due to philosophical differences. Amicable parting of ways.

Bobby Turner - Left to reunite with Coach Shanahan and every one and their mother knew that was going to happen when Shanny took a new job.

Rick Dennison - Lifelong Bronco but his line blocking scheme is not in the overall plans here, like Nolan, tried to merge the systems but it didn't have good results. Left to reunite with Gary Kubiak.

Goodman - Overrated GM fired by Bowlen not McDaniels. Took his son with him and the last vestiges of nepotism in the organization.

Everyone else that has already departed was kicked off the team because they ****ing sucked.

You really are unintelligent. Before I thought maybe you just played the antagonist but now, its pretty clear you're eternal hatred for the Denver Broncos in general clouds your judgement and forces you to type some of the most retarded and outlandish claims the internetz has ever seen.

BB,

I think it is more about mCd bringing his Ohio guys in than running old Bronco coaches out. It's his system he deserves the right to be able to have the assistants he wants in place even if they are all Ohio guys and his brother. Every HC does it, I can't find anything wrong with that.

I kinda like the bio of the Oline coach he brought in.

Alec is right that Dennison and Turner were not long for the team as he stated.

This is the 2nd year of the mCd reign, he now has just about all his guys in place. He now needs to finish turning the compost heap and work more of the type of players he wants in order to run his system. This is the year that makes or breaks mCd.

What I do have truck with are the rumors that they are looking to upgrade Orton. It seems that his "plan" for the QB position was suspect or he didn't really have one. Simms sucks and Orton is serviceable but the not the long term answer.

They should not have downplayed the role of the QB thinking they can turn any marginal QB into Tom Brady.

I hope if they do swing a trade this offseason for a QB it is for Kolb and not McNabb.

24champ
02-09-2010, 12:46 PM
"That's just their opinion, Buff!" ... "They're making it up, Buff!" ... "They're just trying to sell papers. Buff!" ... "That's speculation, Buff!" ... "It's all about the $$$, Buff!" ... "The Post sucks, Buff!"


Are you guys listening to yourselves? Sad, really ... obviously I am far from the only one with these opinions.

Are you listening to yourself? Seriously...

"Overwhelming evidence that Josh McDaniels alienates players and coaches"

Alright well...lets see the evidence...

"The evidence is everywhere if your willing to look."

What kind of c*ckamamie answer is that?

tsiguy96
02-09-2010, 12:49 PM
Are you listening to yourself? Seriously...

"Overwhelming evidence that Josh McDaniels alienates players and coaches"

Alright well...lets see the evidence...

"The evidence is everywhere if your willing to look."

What kind of c*ckamamie answer is that?

dude the fact that he says its evidence is enough. just look its all there!! just look. he doesnt need to point it out, its all there!!

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 12:54 PM
dude the fact that he says its evidence is enough. just look its all there!! just look. he doesnt need to point it out, its all there!!

Exactly, he has actually taken the stance that saying the evidence is out there is enough and refused to post it.

9/11 was George Bush & Dick Cheney's masterplan!

We never landed on the moon!

JFK was killed by the Loch Ness monster!

The Yeti and Bigfoot have a regular poker game with Hitler at Area 51!!!

The EVIDENCE IS OUT THERE!!

YAGISIL!

Broncomutt
02-09-2010, 01:14 PM
I'm curious if anybody saw the 28 minute interview with McDaniels?

Almost ten minutes of that interview he spent fielding direct questions about:

1) Being difficult to work with
2) Dividing the locker room (McD guys vs Shanny guys)
3) Propensity for emotional outbursts
4) and a point-blank question: "Are you stubborn?"

Why the **** does 1/3 of this sit-down, scripted-question interview focus so heavily on the perceved amount of friction he operates in?

You guys go ahead and bash Buff just because he believes that smoke sometimes indicates fire. Perhaps there really isn't a fire, but the media seems to think so.

Rohirrim
02-09-2010, 01:23 PM
I don't have to say I might be wrong because I have no idea how well liked Josh McDaniels is by players and coaches. All I asked for was for you to post some of this overwhelming evidence you say is readily available which I can't seem to find.

Maybe it's a conspiracy?

baja
02-09-2010, 01:33 PM
Maybe it's a conspiracy?

Are you looking for trouble?

baja
02-09-2010, 01:35 PM
I'm curious if anybody saw the 28 minute interview with McDaniels?

Almost ten minutes of that interview he spent fielding direct questions about:

1) Being difficult to work with
2) Dividing the locker room (McD guys vs Shanny guys)
3) Propensity for emotional outbursts
4) and a point-blank question: "Are you stubborn?"

Why the **** does 1/3 of this sit-down, scripted-question interview focus so heavily on the perceved amount of friction he operates in?

You guys go ahead and bash Buff just because he believes that smoke sometimes indicates fire. Perhaps there really isn't a fire, but the media seems to think so.

So the McD interview is the overwhelming evidence than?

Broncomutt
02-09-2010, 01:43 PM
So the McD interview is the overwhelming evidence than?

Only evidence I claim is that you can't see the forest for the trees.

HAT
02-09-2010, 01:46 PM
Seriously Buff, answer this.

Why will you not post the overwhelming evidence of free agents and coaches not wanting to come play for McDaniels you say is so readily available?

Claire Standish: No, I never said that she twisted my words around.
John Bender: What do you use it for then?
Claire Standish: I don't use it period.
John Bender: Oh, are you medically frigid or is it psychological?
Claire Standish: I didn't mean it that way. You guys are putting words into my mouth.
John Bender: Well, if you'd just answer the question.
Brian Johnson: Why don't you just answer the question?
Andrew Clark: Be honest.
John Bender: No big deal.
Brian Johnson: Yeah answer it.
Andrew Clark: Answer the question, Claire.
John Bender: Talk to us. Every one: C'mon, answer the question. Come on. Answer it.
John Bender: C'mon, it's easy. It's only one question.
Claire Standish: NO I NEVER DID IT.
Allison Reynolds: I never did it either. I'm not a nymphomaniac. I'm a compulsive liar.

:wiggle:

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 02:14 PM
Almost ten minutes of that interview he spent fielding direct questions about:

1) Being difficult to work with
2) Dividing the locker room (McD guys vs Shanny guys)
3) Propensity for emotional outbursts
4) and a point-blank question: "Are you stubborn?"

Why the **** does 1/3 of this sit-down, scripted-question interview focus so heavily on the perceved amount of friction he operates in?

Yeah! It's just BroncoBuff who thinks this! How tf does he get the media to go along?!


You guys go ahead and bash Buff just because he believes that smoke sometimes indicates fire. Perhaps there really isn't a fire, but the media seems to think so.

Media definitely seems to think so. And I can tell you guys, the media knows a helluva lot, the beat writers especially. They can't print all they know, but much of what they knows filters through, as we've seen.

Good post, Broncomutt

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 02:15 PM
It was posted here by another poster. He quoted Buff from another board which I do not recall at the moment.

Oops.

So you're gonna PM me an apology, or how about man up and make it on the board?

Doggcow
02-09-2010, 02:21 PM
http://doctormarlen.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/evidence-stamp_lrg-small.jpg

ITS OUT THERE!

baja
02-09-2010, 02:22 PM
Oops.

So you're gonna PM me an apology, or how about man up and make it on the board?

Jesus are you fro real. Where is the palm slap smily when you need it.


Aw gee buff i sorry i guessed wrong on an internet bb, so gosh darn sorry...

TonyR
02-09-2010, 02:26 PM
Buff, the media is in the business of making money by selling papers and/or getting viewers or listeners. They like drama and controversy because it sells so they grasp onto it wherever and whenever possible and sometimes even create it. They fan the flames. Is there something to this stuff? Maybe. Probably. But it's even more certain that the media is making more of it than it really is. The reason you're being attacked, or at least one of the reasons, is because you latch onto the nonsense of a textbook media hack spewing garbage and use it to support your position, a position that seems fairly flimsy when you're asked multiple times for proof and instead of providing specifics you call people insecure for pointing out the flaws of your arguments. Multiple people calling you out, Buff, not just a couple.

But you've never answered for a couple of things people have come back at you with. If McD is so awful why did several NE players take jobs in Denver? And how is McD only to blame for the split with Nolan when clearly Nolan has had difficulty holding down a job anywhere? And what of Cutlers rep? How can you reasonably excuse him for what went down?

Sure there's some reason for some concern but I don't think jumping on anything this hack Josina says is going to bring legitimacy to your beliefs. Let's take a deep breath and see how this offseason plays out.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 02:27 PM
Which leads me to believe he has taken up the past time of trolling. What else can one think with the body of evidence he has provided.

Yeah, I agree with the Denver Post and lots of others out there ... what a troll I must be!

I have an idea baja ... every time you see a post of mine, I suggest you clap your palms over your ears, and loudly sing "la la la la, I can't hear you!" Do the same thing with the Denver Post, you'll be fine ... :~ohyah!:

I wonder how some of you deal with negative news and circumstances in your own lives, how you piece together bits of information to derive a reasonable conclusion. Because you're not doing that here.

It's one thing to disagree with me, that's fine. But to pretend like I'm not stating facts, and hypothesizing facts, well that's just denial.

baja
02-09-2010, 02:44 PM
You said Players and coaches do not like working with Josh McDaniels

I said show your evidence.

You haven't.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 02:59 PM
Buff, the media is in the business of making money by selling papers and/or getting viewers or listeners. They like drama and controversy because it sells so they grasp onto it wherever and whenever possible and sometimes even create it. They fan the flames. Is there something to this stuff? Maybe. Probably. But it's even more certain that the media is making more of it than it really is. The reason you're being attacked, or at least one of the reasons, is because you latch onto the nonsense of a textbook media hack spewing garbage and use it to support your position.

It's only "nonsense" if you disagree with it. Can't you see that calling it "nonsense" and "garbage" is a conclusory, close-minded description? Please tell me you understand that.

And what makes you think that this opinion is one that sells papers? Can't get with that .... it's a helluva lot more than just one "media hack" ... in fact the consensus of the national media, or at least the pregame panels on both networks (especially Dan Marino), that Josh is an overly-stubborn authoritative guy.

And I'm not "latching on" to anything. ALL OF THIS is exactly what I was saying last spring! Almost word for word ... its gratifying that time is showing more and more and more that I was probably right.


a position that seems fairly flimsy when you're asked multiple times for proof and instead of providing specifics you call people insecure for pointing out the flaws of your arguments. Multiple people calling you out, Buff, not just a couple.

I dunno about "multiple people," doesn't really matter to me how many disagree ... I just wish there could be an honest debate rather than this name-calling and gnashing of teeth. And nobody's really pointed out flaws, they just keep saying "what proof what proof?"

So I'll say, yet again, there's no "proof" of any of this, just evidence. And that evidence is all around you: the team quit on him, flat-out quit. He was compelled to bench some of our most productive guys ... you think that's all the players' faults? Players are leaving and/or want to leave, and coaches are leaving in bunches. And rumors are guys may not want to come here.

Yes, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary of my opinion ... but unlike most in here, I readily admit that. That's the key, I don't shout down contrary opinions and call the makers "trolls" ... or falsely claim they're making silly posts elsewhere (waiting for that apology baja).


But you've never answered for a couple of things people have come back at you with. If McD is so awful why did several NE players take jobs in Denver? And how is McD only to blame for the split with Nolan when clearly Nolan has had difficulty holding down a job anywhere? And what of Cutlers rep? How can you reasonably excuse him for what went down?

Yes of course, there's plenty of evidence to the contrary of my opinion ... unlike most in here, I readily admit that. That should be all you need to know to see that, unlike others, I'm debating honestly.

The guys who signed here last spring signed before it became known what kind of atmosphere Josh would put together, so that's really not relevant ... what's relevant is what happens now. Now that people know Josh's approach.

Nolan might be the bad guy I guess ... but he's a bad guy who fielded a top 10 defense. And the way McD first reacted to Nolan's discontent, originally he denied permission to the Dolphins, well that just speaks volumes. To me anyway.

As far as Cutler goes, he was a real spectacle this year, horrible ... evidenced by how few guys want to coach him there. But my money says he'll be an elite QB sooner rather than later. We'll see ... jmho.


Bottom line is, I think I'm right ... you guys think you're right. Difference is I don't attack and insult because you disagree. You guys should be kind of embarrassed at all this.

I feel like I'm teaching a class on debate or rhetoric, and the students just refuse to learn.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 03:00 PM
You said Players and coaches do not like working with Josh McDaniels

I said show your evidence.

You haven't.

Waiting for that apology there, chief.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 03:08 PM
As far as Mike Nolan goes ... Josh initially denied permission to the Dolphins to speak with him, as he did Bobby Turner and the Redskins. Do you guys understand what this means?
It means he didn't want to lose them, that them leaving was not his idea. Again, deductive reasoning 101.

And again, the media guys know a heckuva lot, trust me. They can't print everything they know, but much of it trickles into their stories, as it did with the Gary Miller interview, the Denver Post article and elsewhere.

Mr.Meanie
02-09-2010, 03:09 PM
No one is calling you a troll because you hate McD.

People are calling you a troll because you talked about this "overwhelming" mountain of evidence showing players and coaches won't come to Denver because of McD, and then you were unable to back it up.

And instead of admitting it by saying "hey you guys are right, I pulled that completely out of my ass, but I still hate McD regardless", you call everyone insecure and started to complain about being "attacked".

baja
02-09-2010, 03:13 PM
Waiting for that apology there, chief.

I suggest you hold your breath while waiting.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 03:20 PM
No one is calling you a troll because you hate McD.

And instead of admitting it by saying "hey you guys are right, I pulled that completely out of my ass, but I still hate McD regardless", you call everyone insecure and started to complain about being "attacked".

I didn't "pull it out of my ass" ... I assume everybody knows the circumstances: The team quit on him, flat-out quit. He was compelled to bench some of our most productive guys ... you think that's all the players' faults? Players are leaving and/or want to leave, and coaches are leaving in bunches. And rumors are guys may not want to come here. Plus the media continues to focus on all this, on Josh's approach. I have some experience with beat-writers and NFL coverage, and guys know A LOT more than they can write. But like I said, it trickles out in other ways, for example Gary Miller's interview. If what I'm saying is all BS and troll-talk, then why did Miller spend so much time on it? Why do Krieger and Marino and the rest continue to press these points?

That's the evidence (I don't think I ever said "mountain" but whatever).

I kind of thought guys had been following all this ... didn't think I needed to itemize it.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 03:21 PM
I suggest you hold your breath while waiting.

Heeeere kitty kitty .... :~ohyah!:

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 03:28 PM
BB,

I think it is more about mCd bringing his Ohio guys in than running old Bronco coaches out. It's his system he deserves the right to be able to have the assistants he wants in place even if they are all Ohio guys and his brother. Every HC does it, I can't find anything wrong with that.

I kinda like the bio of the Oline coach he brought in.

Alec is right that Dennison and Turner were not long for the team as he stated.

This is the 2nd year of the mCd reign, he now has just about all his guys in place. He now needs to finish turning the compost heap and work more of the type of players he wants in order to run his system. This is the year that makes or breaks mCd.

What I do have truck with are the rumors that they are looking to upgrade Orton. It seems that his "plan" for the QB position was suspect or he didn't really have one. Simms sucks and Orton is serviceable but the not the long term answer.

They should not have downplayed the role of the QB thinking they can turn any marginal QB into Tom Brady.

I hope if they do swing a trade this offseason for a QB it is for Kolb and not McNabb.

Now THIS is a good post .... this post makes cogent, logical arguments against much of what I've said.

Rep bee-steeeve

TonyR
02-09-2010, 03:29 PM
I dunno about "multiple people," doesn't really matter to me how many disagree ...

The following people, in no particular order, disagreed with you:

Kaylore
baja
Dagmar
tsiguy
24champ
DenverBrit
PRBronco
TombstoneRJ
BigPlayShay
Doggcow
Mr. Meanie
Rock Chalk

Is 12 not "multiple"? It's a good thing it "doesn't really matter" even though I don't believe it when you say that.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 03:39 PM
I didn't "pull it out of my ass" ... I assume everybody knows the circumstances: The team quit on him, flat-out quit. He was compelled to bench some of our most productive guys ... you think that's all the players' faults? Players are leaving and/or want to leave, and coaches are leaving in bunches. And rumors are guys may not want to come here. Plus the media continues to focus on all this, on Josh's approach. I have some experience with beat-writers and NFL coverage, and guys know A LOT more than they can write. But like I said, it trickles out in other ways, for example Gary Miller's interview. If what I'm saying is all BS and troll-talk, then why did Miller spend so much time on it? Why do Krieger and Marino and the rest continue to press these points?

That's the evidence (I don't think I ever said "mountain" but whatever).

I kind of thought guys had been following all this ... didn't think I needed to itemize it.

Do you actually believe this is fact? Do you believe this is fact and we will accept it because you start acting self-righteous? You HATE the Broncos and it's boring having to read your trolling.

TheReverend
02-09-2010, 03:42 PM
Do you actually believe this is fact? Do you believe this is fact and we will accept it because you start acting self-righteous? You HATE the Broncos and it's boring having to read your trolling.

Do you actually believe this is fact? Do you believe this is fact and we will accept it because you start acting self-righteous?

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 03:43 PM
nobody seems to like him, and nobody wants to play or coach for him.

there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh

but we now know beyond any question that Josh is trouble.

These are your quotes that you have provided no facts to back up.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 03:44 PM
Do you actually believe this is fact? Do you believe this is fact and we will accept it because you start acting self-righteous?

Zing. Fair enough, I'll accept that he may love the Broncos. He certainly acts that way. And by that way I mean like a bitter lonely old man.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 03:47 PM
The following people, in no particular order, disagreed with you:

Kaylore
baja
Dagmar
tsiguy
24champ
DenverBrit
PRBronco
TombstoneRJ
BigPlayShay
Doggcow
Mr. Meanie
Rock Chalk

Is 12 not "multiple"? It's a good thing it "doesn't really matter" even though I don't believe it when you say that.

No, it doesn't really matter ... (and you forgot to include you). I think there's ample evidence and numerous media outlets that agree with me. It's not a vote.

Killericon
02-09-2010, 03:49 PM
Thanks for the translation...It was MUCH needed.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 03:51 PM
No, it doesn't really matter ... (and you forgot to include you). I think there's ample evidence and numerous media outlets that agree with me. It's not a vote.

My god put this thing to bed and post links to proof that

that Josh is trouble.

there is now a compelling body of evidence that people don't want to play - or coach - for Josh

Proof, evidence, whatever. Post the FACTS. Not your ugly opinion.

BroncoBuff
02-09-2010, 03:55 PM
My god put this thing to bed and post links to proof that

Proof, evidence, whatever. Post the FACTS. Not your ugly opinion.

You keep saying that, but over and over and over you refuse to read what I say:

This is the THIRD TIME I've posted this:

The team quit on him, flat-out quit, we were among the 2 or 3 worst teams in the league when the season ended. He was compelled to bench some of our most productive guys ... you think that's all the players' faults? Players are leaving and/or want to leave, and coaches are leaving in bunches. And rumors are guys may not want to come here. Plus the media continues to focus on all this, on Josh's approach. I have some experience with beat-writers and NFL coverage, and guys know A LOT more than they can write. But like I said, it trickles out in other ways, for example Gary Miller's interview. If what I'm saying is all BS and troll-talk, then why did Miller spend so much time on it? Why do Krieger and Marino and the rest continue to press these points?


Again, the difference is, and I hope everyone is smart enough to understand this: I can admit there is evidence in your points, and that I might be wrong. Doesn't seem like such admissions are forthcoming from those who disagree with me.

If you can't understand how this makes me an honest debater, then I really can't help you. I'm done here :welcome:

Broncomutt
02-09-2010, 04:07 PM
You HATE the Broncos

I'm really trying to avoid personal attacks but people are getting sick of your facist ultra-fan rhetoric dude. I'd wager that more people on this board, given the choice, would rather watch a game with Buff than you.

Start a poll if you disagree.

Oh look, Mock just posted!! Run Forrest Run!! Can't wait to hear the latest peanut butter insult! Yeah, that never gets old.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 04:09 PM
So your compelling body of evidence is your opinion and self righteous attitude. That was worth the wait. You are a meth-alley and moonshine (and one more item) away from mock. Well done.

*slow clap*

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 04:10 PM
I'm really trying to avoid personal attacks but people are getting sick of your facist ultra-fan rhetoric dude. I'd wager that more people on this board, given the choice, would rather watch a game with Buff than you.

Start a poll if you disagree.

Oh look, Mock just posted!! Run Forrest Run!! Can't wait to hear the latest peanut butter insult! Yeah, that never gets old.

You're cute.

16slayer24
02-09-2010, 04:14 PM
seems that guys like pryce bertrand kubiak they all left shannahan imagie that

Chris
02-09-2010, 04:15 PM
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Dagmar
02-09-2010, 04:17 PM
I'm really trying to avoid personal attacks but people are getting sick of your facist ultra-fan rhetoric dude. I'd wager that more people on this board, given the choice, would rather watch a game with Buff than you.

Start a poll if you disagree.

Oh look, Mock just posted!! Run Forrest Run!! Can't wait to hear the latest peanut butter insult! Yeah, that never gets old.

I am a facist ultra fan? I have been to two games! Buff was at camp! I am fun to watch a game with though. I don't start polls and haven't insulted mock since Buff reported me to Taco and they ganged up on me one day, I decided I had been called out and decided to let those insults go.

Good job avoiding the personal insults though, call me out on something I haven't done in a couple months (although I will continue to insult the idiotic old drunken fart of a Vikings fan) and call me a facist. ZING!

16slayer24
02-09-2010, 04:30 PM
8-5 year before needed 1 win lost all 3 did the team quit on shanny???

misturanderson
02-09-2010, 04:30 PM
The team quit on him, flat-out quit, we were among the 2 or 3 worst teams in the league when the season ended.
Can't argue with that, but this team has been all about quitting during the last game of the year for what? 4 years now?
He was compelled to bench some of our most productive guys ... you think that's all the players' faults?
Actually yes, the team's leaders (players) asked him to start holding players more accountable, he then benched ONE productive player and one 2nd stringer for things that they deserved to be benched for. That is about 90% on the players.
Players are leaving and/or want to leave,
Which players? Marshall doesn't want to leave, he just wants money. The Cutler story is such a convoluted mess that we will never know why he wanted to leave. Who else wants to leave?
and coaches are leaving in bunches.
3 coaches, not "bunches." One got promoted on a different team, one left to a promotion (that may be in title only, but probably in compensation as well) under a coach that he has worked with for YEARS. ONE parted ways due to a conflict with McD and by all accounts (except the ones trying to stir up ****, ie. anything Josina Anderson writes) it wasn't a bad split, just a difference in philosophy.
And rumors are guys may not want to come here.
From the same person that every other day tweets about how "McD just did something unspeakable and forced an unnamed player to watch...I'll look into it more." That woman has no credibility.
Plus the media continues to focus on all this, on Josh's approach. I have some experience with beat-writers and NFL coverage, and guys know A LOT more than they can write. But like I said, it trickles out in other ways, for example Gary Miller's interview. If what I'm saying is all BS and troll-talk, then why did Miller spend so much time on it? Why do Krieger and Marino and the rest continue to press these points?
Because even more than getting the correct info out there, they care about how they look. And they bashed McD all offseason saying that he committed us to a top 5 (some even said #1 overall) pick with the trading of a franchise QB while doing nothing to improve the defense. We also gave up our top 5 pick instead of the bears obvious #20+ pick and we would be set back decades in the process. They need to hold onto anything they can to make themselves look like they were right in the offseason, and anything they find, they spin to fit that story, despite the fact that all REAL evidence proves how clueless they actually are.

Broncomutt
02-09-2010, 04:31 PM
You (BroncoBuff) HATE the Broncos

I am a facist ultra fan? I have been to two games! Buff was at camp!

ZING!

k

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 04:34 PM
k

He acts like it sometimes, but I admit I was wrong, he hates the coach after he chased away his boyfriend.

TonyR
02-09-2010, 04:53 PM
The team quit on him, flat-out quit...

Just out of curiosity, what week do you posit the team "quit"?

Oh, and add misturanderson to "the list". We're now up to 14.

broncosteven
02-09-2010, 06:45 PM
Now THIS is a good post .... this post makes cogent, logical arguments against much of what I've said.

Rep bee-steeeve

Don't expect any more logic from this place.

It has devolved into the bashing of criticism rather than debating it.

misturanderson
02-09-2010, 07:29 PM
Don't expect any more logic from this place.

It has devolved into the bashing of criticism rather than debating it.

It isn't usually just about bashing criticism. It is about looking at ridiculously biased criticism with very little factual information to back it up and bashing that. It is about looking at someone's opinion and seeing that an event that occurred a year ago is still obviously clouding his ability to look at things in a rational way and calling him out on it.

Can you really defend using a tweet from Josina Anderson as a legitimate source to back up an argument? Or going on a hyperbolic rant about how horrible Josh McDaniels must be due to the mass exodus of players and coaches that hasn't occurred?

baja
02-09-2010, 07:52 PM
It isn't usually just about bashing criticism. It is about looking at ridiculously biased criticism with very little factual information to back it up and bashing that. It is about looking at someone's opinion and seeing that an event that occurred a year ago is still obviously clouding his ability to look at things in a rational way and calling him out on it.

Can you really defend using a tweet from Josina Anderson as a legitimate source to back up an argument? Or going on a hyperbolic rant about how horrible Josh McDaniels must be due to the mass exodus of players and coaches that hasn't occurred?
Broncosteven isn't very bright, he won't understand your point

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Broncosteven isn't very bright, he won't understand your point

Don't bash him you'll make him very very angry!

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baja
02-09-2010, 08:08 PM
Don't bash him you'll make him very very angry!

http://degoodstuff.com/images/uploads/logos/2009/marvin_the_martian_jackets.jpg

Doesn't matter he hates me anyway. He blames me for getting him voted of the island in Survivor ;D

24champ
02-09-2010, 10:38 PM
It's only "nonsense" if you disagree with it. Can't you see that calling it "nonsense" and "garbage" is a conclusory, close-minded description? Please tell me you understand that.

And what makes you think that this opinion is one that sells papers?

Why don'tcha eat up and we'll tell ya.


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