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Pony Boy
02-08-2010, 11:30 AM
2010 NFL Draft Scouting Reports

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreports.php

Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

Summary: The statistics are there and he has operated in a pro-style offense as a freshman. He does throw pro routes, however, he WILL get nitpicked. Matt Leinart was nitpicked. Aaron Rodgers was nitpicked. Brady Quinn was nitpicked. Bradford won't have any challenges this season, so scouts and draftniks will find the flaws. Bradford is a top-20 pick, but don't be shocked if he doesn't go as high as we expect (Top 5) next April.

Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

Summary: Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback. He has carried the spotlight since he was a teenager and has surpassed the hype. He has an outstanding skill set with the elite intangibles you see in the great quarterbacks. Clausen isn't fazed by tense situations and has great leadership when the game is on the line. He puts in the hours to be a great quarterback and you see it on tape. Clausen will likely be the first quarterback drafted and is a projected top-five draft pick.


Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati

Summary: Pike projects strictly as a career backup in the NFL. He simply doesn't possess even an average arm to be a starter. Pike can be somewhat reliable since he makes great decisions and is highly intelligent, but he lacks a lot of talent, and you can't coach talent. I project Pike to come off the board between the third and fifth rounds.

Colt McCoy, QB, Texas

Summary: Colt McCoy is the next overhyped collegiate quarterback who really doesn't have much of a chance in the NFL. He is a late-round talent, and don't let ESPN fool you. His talent is pretty mediocre when you consider the things he will have to do in the NFL in terms of the transition to a more West Coast or pro-style spread scheme. He won't stretch a defense in the NFL and the system makes him look far better than he is at Texas.
McCoy is a great college quarterback, but simply isn't an NFL mold. He's a projected fifth-to-seventh-round prospect. McCoy might develop into a solid backup quarterback at the next level, but he is simply not the prospect ESPN wants you to think he is.


Tim Hiller, QB, Western Michigan

Summary: Hiller projects as a career backup because he simply lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field. Some team will take a chance on him and try to develop him into a starter, but defenses can simply shut him down by challenging his ability to drive the ball down the field. Hiller has a lot of tools a quarterbacks coach can work with, and he might end up being a valuable project, a la Matt Cassell. Hiller's decision-making will probably get worse in the NFL as he will face much tougher defenses with his limited arm.

Jevan Snead, QB, Ole Miss

Summary: Why Jevan Snead made the decision to go pro makes me dislike him as a prospect even more than I want to because it was such a questionable decision. He had a terrible season (54%, 20 TD, 20 INT) and there was no reason for him to go pro when he could have used another year to improve his passing skills and draft stock. Snead is a developmental project whom some team is likely to gamble on between Rounds 3 and 5.

Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

Summary: If I could take Tim Tebow's mind and put it into the body of some college quarterbacks, then they would be No. 1 overall picks. However, we have seen quarterbacks with outstanding intangibles bust at the next level. It will take Tebow 3-4 years to learn an NFL offense to where he could actually start a game.
Tebow's best fit at the next level will be at fullback or H-Back because his best skills are his running abilities; there's too much development involved to draft Tebow as a franchise quarterback, though the success of Pat White in the Wildcat offense could help his draft stock. Looks to be a second-round pick with his great intangibles and versatility.

gyldenlove
02-08-2010, 11:32 AM
Sam Bradford or bust.

He has the accuracy, the arm strength, the instincts and dude is a winner.

Hercules Rockefeller
02-08-2010, 11:41 AM
Want no part of either Bradford or Clausen, they should take the Locker profile down since he's not even in the draft.

elsid13
02-08-2010, 11:41 AM
Locker isn't coming out this season. Of all those listed, he (Locker) is the only one I am interested in.

Ramathorn
02-08-2010, 11:41 AM
Locker or clausen. If we want a qb of the future, draft locker. If we have to settle for a filler qb for awhile, then clausen.

2KBack
02-08-2010, 11:42 AM
Not the most reliable analysis considering Locker isn't even entering the draft? When was this written? Everywhere else I've seen has McCoy as a late 1st early second round pick, this guy says 5-7.

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 11:46 AM
Not the most reliable analysis considering Locker isn't even entering the draft? When was this written? Everywhere else I've seen has McCoy as a late 1st early second round pick, this guy says 5-7.

It looks like it was written before the season.

bombay
02-08-2010, 11:48 AM
LeFevre, misspelled, from Central Mich.

PRBronco
02-08-2010, 11:53 AM
Sam Bradford or bust.

He has the accuracy, the arm strength, the instincts and dude is a winner.

Aren't people scared off because he plays in a spread?

oubronco
02-08-2010, 11:53 AM
Bradford or Cluasen

tsiguy96
02-08-2010, 11:58 AM
dan lefevour, no question.

2KBack
02-08-2010, 12:07 PM
Personally I don't want any QB before the 3rd or 4th round. So if a guy like Tony Pike is around then, I'm all for it. Before the I want all the best Oline and dline prospects available.

cousinal11
02-08-2010, 12:08 PM
Skelton.

Pony Boy
02-08-2010, 12:12 PM
If Bradford is still there when we pick, there is no way we pass him up.... Bowlen would be on the red phone screaming at McDaniels.

gtown
02-08-2010, 12:14 PM
Aren't people scared off because he plays in a spread?

Not really. McD runs a spread a lot of the time where the QB is in the shotgun.

OBF1
02-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Brian Griese, thread over

ludo21
02-08-2010, 12:22 PM
dan lefevour, no question.

Im down with that. He has the arm strength and mobility to be a good one in this league. Develop him for 1 or 2 years and we will see where we are then.

elsid13
02-08-2010, 12:25 PM
Not really. McD runs a spread a lot of the time where the QB is in the shotgun.

There is major difference in a Pro-style spread that McDaniels uses and what OU or most college do. You will not see any deep outs or come backs in the college ranks, those are pro style throws that most college QB can not make.

Kaylore
02-08-2010, 12:30 PM
If Bradford is still there when we pick, there is no way we pass him up.... Bowlen would be on the red phone screaming at McDaniels.

I would pass on him (in the first round). I think he's mentally soft and played scared his last year.

Ok I gotta ask, what is with the Dan Lefevour hype around here? Is there a Qb that is less a fit for our system? Maybe Tim Tebow. He's not going to be a Bronco.

Rohirrim
02-08-2010, 12:32 PM
Sean Canfield, UDFA. Build the lines. Worry about a QB down the road.

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 12:41 PM
Sam Bradford
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zoeBEQgBjWY/SURqG6uW-eI/AAAAAAAABVY/nlcGHcL6XD4/s400/SamBradford.jpg

Does he have an NFL build?
Yes. Bradford is listed at 6'5", but I would say that he is closer to 6'4". At that height, Bradford is above average for an NFL QB (adjusted by 1" for the sake of reality...just as I did with Bradford). He's much taller than starters like Brees (6'0") and Romo (6'1"), slightly shorter than Manning and Flacco(6'5"), and is the same height as Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, and Carson Palmer...who were all considered big QB's coming out of college.

Bradford weighs in at about 213, but has a frame that has the capacity to fill out.

Is he a good athlete?
Most people think of Bradford as a pocket QB, and they are right in thinking that way. However, some people err in thinking that Bradford is stiff or unathletic, which is not the case. Bradford is athletic. The Sooners moved the pocket some for Sam and ran alot of fakes. Bradford is bow-legged, but he has a spring in his step. Ironically, one of Bradford's most famous plays at Oklahoma was a scramble similar to Elway's "helicopter" play. Bradford's athleticism is not his strength, but its not a weakness either. He has average speed for an NFL QB (I believe that a 4.7 40 has been recorded), but is that a weakness for a player who is known for pocket passing? I would say that it becomes a strength in that light.

What makes him a blue chip prospect?
I would say that Bradford is exceptional in three categories: his pure passing ability, his intelligence, and his leadership abilities.

Bradford is one of the best college QB's I have ever seen, and it is in large part because of his sense of timing and accuracy. He has a great sense of the timing of play development and is able to deliver the ball at a measured, metered-out pace to hit a receiver where, when, and with what type of touch they need the ball. It is the same trait that Peyton Manning has refined into brilliance. Bradford can put the ball into all of the cracks, crevices, and holes in the secondary and can put them there on time with the right weight.

Bradford called plays at the line at OU. His ability to read and diagnose what the defense is giving him and then to take advantage of it is rare for a college QB. Rarely are they even given that opportunity. Bradford took advantage of it and led one of the most potent offenses in the NCAA over his tenure at OU. By his sophomore year, he was a master of the offense.

It is through that offense that Bradford's leadership abilities developed. Bradford became the field general for the Sooners, and was depended on by his teammates to put them in a position to succeed. Bradford is very competitive and loyal. Bradford returned to OU for a chance to win the championship for the school that he had wanted to play for all his life.

What are the concerns?
The major concern is Bradford's shoulder. Most people recover from these types of shoulder injuries, but there still is the chance that he is not completely healed up by the combine and then doesnt have that edge on his throws. If Bradford shows up at the combine and has zip, good rotation, and crispness on his throws, then you'll see that concern disappear. If he doesnt look healed it will affect where he is taken.

My other concern is that it will take Bradford time to adjust. He didnt need time adjusting to OU...he was a redshirt freshman starter and performed very well as a freshman, however the speed and athletic ability of NFL secondaries is a whole different monster. He'll have to speed up his decision making and retain his quick release and accuracy. I think that Bradford would best be served getting drafted to a team who can give him a year to adjust...similar to what Green Bay has done with Rodgers and what SD did with Rivers. However, I would think that drafting him and immediately throwing him to the wolves would make the adjustment difficult in the same way it did for Peyton Manning.

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yerner
02-08-2010, 12:45 PM
Bradford is the only one that would be interesting as a high level pick. And he isn't a lock but I do think he is being underestimated a bit. The rest are just alot of question marks you'll have to get lucky with. And I'll probably stop watching football if the bronocos draft Clausen unless they also mandate his jersey reads DOUCHE. At least that would be funny.

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 12:46 PM
I would pass on him (in the first round). I think he's mentally soft and played scared his last year.

Ok I gotta ask, what is with the Dan Lefevour hype around here? Is there a Qb that is less a fit for our system? Maybe Tim Tebow. He's not going to be a Bronco.

Mentally soft? What does that mean?

How do you come to that conclusion? How does playing with an injured shoulder equate to "playing scared". Any player will protect their injury. Look at Freeney yesterday...was that soft?

You do know that Bradford stole the starting QB spot his redshirt freshman year, right?

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 12:50 PM
Aren't people scared off because he plays in a spread?

That's not a concern that NFL coaches will be held up by. The Sooners' offense was varied, and there's plenty of tape of Bradford playing under center. Generally when a player is being evaluated like that, I dont think that you can look at a player of Bradford's football intelligence and say that he cant adapt to playing under center.

Plus, I think that the spread/shotgun is becoming more and more popular again with the success of the Colts, Pats, and now the Saints. Elway did alot of his best work from the shotgun.

gtown
02-08-2010, 12:52 PM
There is major difference in a Pro-style spread that McDaniels uses and what OU or most college do. You will not see any deep outs or come backs in the college ranks, those are pro style throws that most college QB can not make.


The OU offense has elements of the pro game in it. It may not have all the routes, but some of the rudiments are there. And for the record I have seen Bradford throw outside the numbers down the field, so he can make those throws.

This is a moot point anyway. Orton, our starter, was in a spread during college, as was yesterday's Super Bowl winner.

WolfpackGuy
02-08-2010, 12:56 PM
If that LeFevour guy is available in the 4th or later, why not?

That one TD throw he had in the Senior Bowl was unreal.

Skelton seemed a little wild to me. He's rough, but he definitely has a big arm and can move pretty well for his size.

cmhargrove
02-08-2010, 01:00 PM
Say it with me....

Keep building the lines, keep building the lines, keep building the lines...

If we get an interior run game going (and can stop the run) we will be looking really good (if we keep Marshall). Grab all the blue-chip linemen you can take this draft (offense and defense).

Pick Six
02-08-2010, 01:19 PM
If we HAVE to draft a QB in the first round, then Bradford is the only choice. However, I think that McDaniels really believes in Orton and will give him every opportunity to shine next year. I think he could go O-line in the first round, because of his desire to get away from the ZBS...

misturanderson
02-08-2010, 01:22 PM
Personally I don't want any QB before the 3rd or 4th round. So if a guy like Tony Pike is around then, I'm all for it. Before the I want all the best Oline and dline prospects available.

If this exact scenario played out, I would be extremely happy. I'm not sure where the analyst got the idea that Pike has such a bad arm that he can't be a starter, but I suppose that it might make sense if this article is from before the 2009 season. He is going to be a developmental project (he REALLY needs to add some bulk), but it seems like he has an adequate arm (similar to Bradford, but without the shoulder surgery) and the mental edge to become a good pro QB. If we could get him in the 3rd or 4th round, I don't see why we wouldn't take him.

Baba Booey
02-08-2010, 01:25 PM
Doubt McD will go for a guy in the first or second. I think he's confident he can develop a project.

If he's still around in the 3rd when we pick I'd take Snead. A 3rd on Canfield might be a little high and a 4th would probably be more likely.

Wouldn't mind taking that guy that someone posted youtube highlights of a little while back. Looked raw but he had some good physical skills. I forget his name. Would have to be a later pick though.

want2bAbronco2
02-08-2010, 01:29 PM
LeFevre!

underrated29
02-08-2010, 01:44 PM
in the first.

Bradford or clausen. We will maybe have a shot at bradford, if so we have to take him. If not tebow in the 5th or skelton.


I see Bradford or Skelton being our top targets at QB. If we land a good vet in FA, then I say look for Skelton. If FA comes and goes and we do not sign a good vet, then Bradford might be our guy.


Regardless Kyle is the starter next year. And depending on bradford/skelts maybe the year after. If we sign Kyle to a 2 year ext. The writing might be on the wall.

Pony Boy
02-08-2010, 01:49 PM
If that LeFevour guy is available in the 4th or later, why not? That one TD throw he had in the Senior Bowl was unreal.

Dan LeFevour raised his stock at the Senior Bowl, but needs a ton of work under the center. I don't think McDaniels is looking for a project QB. There was also some talk about LeFevour having some issues with migraines during the season.

oubronco
02-08-2010, 02:14 PM
Can we draft that Cutler guy?

Rohirrim
02-08-2010, 02:24 PM
Can we draft that Cutler guy?

I've heard he has a hell of an arm. Just ask any opposing CB.

tsiguy96
02-08-2010, 06:45 PM
If that LeFevour guy is available in the 4th or later, why not?

That one TD throw he had in the Senior Bowl was unreal.

Skelton seemed a little wild to me. He's rough, but he definitely has a big arm and can move pretty well for his size.

you should watch teh GMAC bowl. to say he doesnt fit this system is silly, he is very physically similar to jay cutler in terms of arm strength and scrambling ability, except hes not a dbag.

elsid13
02-08-2010, 06:52 PM
you should watch teh GMAC bowl. to say he doesnt fit this system is silly, he is very physically similar to jay cutler in terms of arm strength and scrambling ability, except hes not a dbag.

He does not have Cutler arm strength. When Mayock questions his arm strength you know that there is a concern. He was great college QB, but he is a development project, that project as back-up in the league.

gyldenlove
02-08-2010, 06:58 PM
Aren't people scared off because he plays in a spread?

I am not

tsiguy96
02-08-2010, 07:07 PM
He does not have Cutler arm strength. When Mayock questions his arm strength you know that there is a concern. He was great college QB, but he is a development project, that project as back-up in the league.

you are correct sir about his arm, guess in the few games ive watched ive overrated his arm strength. i dont think hes as big a development project as some think though. heres his report from one site:

http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=1780

elsid13
02-08-2010, 07:19 PM
you are correct sir about his arm, guess in the few games ive watched ive overrated his arm strength. i dont think hes as big a development project as some think though. heres his report from one site:

http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=1780

I have watched him play about 16 time over last four years. I was really impressed with his ability at college level, but when you project him to the NFL, you need to be concerned with his ability to take snaps from under center, reading of defense and adjusting to the speed of the game. When he played Arizona, which has NFL speed on the defense, he was destroyed. He needs to go to WCO team (like Houston, Seattle or Washington) and learn the pro QB position.

Bigdawg26
02-08-2010, 07:33 PM
Either Sam Bradford or nobody. None of these QB's impress me to be honest. Next years draft class is so much better with Locker and that guy from Texas A&M coming out!

Punisher
02-08-2010, 07:59 PM
Jimmy Clausen

Aftermath
02-08-2010, 08:01 PM
Dan Lefevour CMU

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 08:10 PM
Jimmy Clausen

Tell us about Clausen, because I really don't know anything about him.

Requiem
02-08-2010, 08:14 PM
Helter Skelton, and work on his feet and make his bionic robot arm stronger than it is teflOn.

elsid13
02-08-2010, 08:20 PM
Tell us about Clausen, because I really don't know anything about him.

Think Brady Quinn with a worse personality and you have Clausen.

Positives-

Played in Pro-style offense and was allowed to make pro-style throws
Decent arm strength and release
OK mobility, not a threat to take off and run
good mechanics

Negatives-
Attitude - comes off as extremely cocky
Accuracy is problem when he is rushed, tend to throw it up when pressured.
Arm is able to make pro throws, but won't wow you.

KipCorrington25
02-08-2010, 08:25 PM
Mentally soft? What does that mean?




See the last 10 Denver Bronco games from 2009. :strong:

broncswin
02-08-2010, 08:33 PM
Bradford would be the best fit

ayjackson
02-08-2010, 08:33 PM
I'm down with the Guy Laflevour crowd! Nice developmental pick in the 4th or 5th.

Bigdawg26
02-08-2010, 09:36 PM
Can we draft that Cutler guy?
Jevan Snead!!! A young punk with a strong arm and thinks he can throw it to anybody even if your not wearing the same jersey?? Yeah he should be there in the second lol!

barryr
02-09-2010, 06:26 AM
I still like Lefevour from Central Michigan the best.