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BoiseBluTurf
02-08-2010, 09:39 AM
6 out of 10 mock drafts I check out have us taking Dez... I'm not and don't pretend to be a draft expert but this pick pisses me off!

There is no way we select this guy.... is there?

That really is more of a question than a statement... I don't study the draft as much as most of you on this forum... so... does this pick make sense? Is it possible? Whats your opinion and why... please:)

elsid13
02-08-2010, 09:44 AM
Yes it make sense, if Marshall is moved. Bryant is good WR that similar to Cradtree last year with more speed.

ludo21
02-08-2010, 09:45 AM
We need a playmaker if Marshall goes. We have no one to fill that gap and Dez would fit nicely. Even if Marshall stays we need a number 2 guy opposite him and another weapon would be nice.

The Saints and Colts have taught us that the more weapons the better.

Rohirrim
02-08-2010, 09:51 AM
I hope we build the lines first. If Orton doesn't have the time to throw, it doesn't really matter who's downfield, waiting for the ball.

PRBronco
02-08-2010, 09:51 AM
Most mock drafters don't do enough homework. The common nfl fan probably looks at the Broncos and thinks "omg McDaniels is running Marshall out of town, also McDaniels wants a high flying copy of New England's record setting offense, therefore they will need the top receiver in the draft." It's not entirely nonsensical, but Broncos experts such as ourselves ( ;D ) are more aware of what's going on here.

oubronco
02-08-2010, 11:02 AM
Bryant is a great athlete but he does have a primadonna attitude and baggage

elsid13
02-08-2010, 11:03 AM
Bryant is a great athlete but he does have a primadonna attitude and baggage

What baggage?

PRBronco
02-08-2010, 11:08 AM
What baggage?

Maybe he means his agent and Deion?

Rohirrim
02-08-2010, 11:10 AM
Maybe he means his agent and Deion?

That's just what the Broncos need to start next season, a hold-out by their #1 pick. :oyvey:

PRBronco
02-08-2010, 11:14 AM
That's just what the Broncos need to start next season, a hold-out by their #1 pick. :oyvey:

You can't hit the rookie wall if you don't start playing until Week 5! Yesssss! :strong:

Requiem
02-08-2010, 11:19 AM
If Marshall is moved Bryant would be a priority for this team. There aren't many flaws in his game, and I am 250% confident he is going to ball out at the combine. I would prefer to keep Marshall and address our lines, but if he is moved -- he is worth our top selection. Keep in mind, if Marshall is moved, we'll likely get some quality compensation, at least first-round value, so we'd have another selection to upgrade our offensive or defensive fronts.

Rohirrim
02-08-2010, 11:31 AM
If Marshall is moved Bryant would be a priority for this team. There aren't many flaws in his game, and I am 250% confident he is going to ball out at the combine. I would prefer to keep Marshall and address our lines, but if he is moved -- he is worth our top selection. Keep in mind, if Marshall is moved, we'll likely get some quality compensation, at least first-round value, so we'd have another selection to upgrade our offensive or defensive fronts.

In that case, I would want Dan Williams for the 1st pick and Golden Tate for the second. If Marshall is gone, Orton will need somebody who can run all the routes and catch anything, anywhere, any time, not lope down the field deep and then have his hands on his hips when the ball doesn't come his way.

NFLBRONCO
02-08-2010, 12:11 PM
If Marshall is moved Bryant would be a priority for this team. There aren't many flaws in his game, and I am 250% confident he is going to ball out at the combine. I would prefer to keep Marshall and address our lines, but if he is moved -- he is worth our top selection. Keep in mind, if Marshall is moved, we'll likely get some quality compensation, at least first-round value, so we'd have another selection to upgrade our offensive or defensive fronts.

IMO Denver COULD use Dez even if BM stays this offense needs so much more. BM Dez and Royal would be a solid trio. Our O failed big time nothing would shock me. I agree bolstering lines is #1 issue but, so is adding more threats to this unit.

gunns
02-08-2010, 12:36 PM
You can find a playmaker in the later rounds. It's a gamble but a hell of lot less expensive than if you gamble on a WR being a game changer in the first round.

NFLBRONCO
02-08-2010, 01:07 PM
You can find a playmaker in the later rounds. It's a gamble but a hell of lot less expensive than if you gamble on a WR being a game changer in the first round.

I agree with you overall I'd just like to have a offense that has tons of weapons that actually do something in space.

Zoobie
02-08-2010, 01:11 PM
IMO Denver COULD use Dez even if BM stays this offense needs so much more. BM Dez and Royal would be a solid trio. Our O failed big time nothing would shock me. I agree bolstering lines is #1 issue but, so is adding more threats to this unit.

You must play way too much madden. You're talking about potentially making Marshall the highest paid receiver, paying Royal his money, as well as shelling out #10(or 11) cash for another receiver.

Bryant doesn't have any attitude problem as far as i'm concerned. He made a bone-headed move and lied about training(and eating dinner) with Sanders. Which, by the way is in no way a violation of any NCAA regulation. He panicked, thought he did something wrong, but he is not a criminal. What Dez Bryant IS, is an amazing athlete who would be a huge addition to this team if Marshall is traded. Not only could he come in and contribute as a receiver, but as a return specialist as well. Versatility, something that is much needed and adored by our head coach. If he is still available at our first pick I say we pull the trigger. Barring a freak scenario where Berry fell into our laps I believe Dez gives us the best player available and allows us to maximize our draft picks.

Bronco Boy
02-08-2010, 01:45 PM
I don't think he will make it on McD's list to be honest

BoiseBluTurf
02-08-2010, 02:43 PM
Color me surprised... I see them taking Mclain... well... I hope they do... Even if they lose B.M... Mclain (and i'm sure i'm butchering his name so forgive me) is an animal that would start first day! No offense... but i'm hoping against all hope that The Broncos DO NOT select offense first round! But hey... thats just me.


Mike

Requiem
02-08-2010, 02:44 PM
With Davis and Williams inside, I don't see McClain being selected unless you believe that he'd start over Davis right away -- which I doubt, considering he had a fantastic year for us.

BoiseBluTurf
02-08-2010, 02:47 PM
With Davis and Williams inside, I don't see McClain being selected unless you believe that he'd start over Davis right away -- which I doubt, considering he had a fantastic year for us.

I do think he would start over Davis... and I dig Davis... and agree that he did have a great year... hell he could have a great year next year as well... But... If you can grab a mainstay in the middle of your defense... NOW... GRAB HIM!

Requiem
02-08-2010, 02:58 PM
I do think he would start over Davis... and I dig Davis... and agree that he did have a great year... hell he could have a great year next year as well... But... If you can grab a mainstay in the middle of your defense... NOW... GRAB HIM!

I'm just not seeing the Broncos going for McClain. The inside linebackers were the least of our worries on defense last year. This is nothing against McClain, he is personally one of my highest rated players and will be a fantastic pro, but the veteran leadership and experience Davis brings in the 3-4 is monumental. Look at the linebackers the Patriots had inside and out while McDaniels was with the Patriots. They relied on savvy, veteran guys who had been there before. IMHO, I don't see us going there with that selection unless other options on the lines are exhausted.

Gob
02-08-2010, 03:08 PM
Disclaimer 1 - I realize I am far from an expert talent evaluator.
Disclaimer 2 - I have barely seen Dez play, just a couple youtube highlight videos.

He seems really talented to me, and like I said I only saw highlight videos so maybe I am missing how he takes over a game or something, but although he looks very good I didn't see anything that made me think he is worth taking so early in this stocked draft. I would probably rather have that Georgia Tech WR or somebody else later. I also get the impression that McDaniels thinks he can do well with mid or late round wr's or free agents at wr.

NFLBRONCO
02-08-2010, 03:10 PM
You must play way too much madden. You're talking about potentially making Marshall the highest paid receiver, paying Royal his money, as well as shelling out #10(or 11) cash for another receiver.

Bryant doesn't have any attitude problem as far as i'm concerned. He made a bone-headed move and lied about training(and eating dinner) with Sanders. Which, by the way is in no way a violation of any NCAA regulation. He panicked, thought he did something wrong, but he is not a criminal. What Dez Bryant IS, is an amazing athlete who would be a huge addition to this team if Marshall is traded. Not only could he come in and contribute as a receiver, but as a return specialist as well. Versatility, something that is much needed and adored by our head coach. If he is still available at our first pick I say we pull the trigger. Barring a freak scenario where Berry fell into our laps I believe Dez gives us the best player available and allows us to maximize our draft picks.

I don't play Madden thanks.

Zoobie
02-08-2010, 03:27 PM
I don't play Madden thanks.

Then I guess you're just crazy.

gunns
02-08-2010, 05:24 PM
We need a NT badly and this is a very slim draft at that position. I sincerely doubt Wilfork will be leaving the Pats. You can get all the talent you can on the offense and it isn't going to mean jack without that D solidified and we have a new QB.

elsid13
02-08-2010, 05:30 PM
We need a NT badly and this is a very slim draft at that position. I sincerely doubt Wilfork will be leaving the Pats. You can get all the talent you can on the offense and it isn't going to mean jack without that D solidified and we have a new QB.

actually it not slim at NT position. There are 6 to 7 guys that could fill that role, and you are not counting the continued development of both Thomas and Baker.

gyldenlove
02-08-2010, 06:07 PM
Here is what Dez Bryant is going to want:

20 million guaranteed and 35 million total over 6 years which void to 5.

Here is what Marshall is going to want:

20 million guaranteed and 35 million total over 4 years.

Here is what Marshall did in 09: 100+ catches, 1000+ yards, 10 TDs against NFL players.

Here is what Dez Bryant did in 09: 17 catches, 323 yards, 4 TDs against Georgia, Houston and Rice.

Tell me one good reason why we want Bryant and the circus Sanders and Parker will no doubt bring, when we can have a dude who has proven for 3 consecutive years that he is a star.

It is going to cost us about the same, except one is a proven performer who knows the system and the QB, the other is a college player too stupid to stay away from Deion Sanders and then lying about it.

cmhargrove
02-08-2010, 06:31 PM
Rule # 1 - all receivers look great when the QB has 6 seconds to throw the ball.

Rule # 2 - all receivers look bad when the QB has 2.8 seconds to throw the ball.

Rule # 3 - the O-line is responsible for the extra 3.2 seconds.

Chris
02-08-2010, 06:32 PM
Here's one reason: Dez Bryant can catch deep passes over his shoulder consistently. That fills a void in our offense. Jabar can be our possession WR and Eddie can be put into the slot where he belongs rather than trying to be a field stretcher, which he isn't.

Crushaholic
02-08-2010, 06:45 PM
Just say no to Dez Bryant...PHOOEY!

Requiem
02-08-2010, 07:10 PM
actually it not slim at NT position. There are 6 to 7 guys that could fill that role, and you are not counting the continued development of both Thomas and Baker.

Well, if Gunns had a choice Dawkins would be NT. :)

Broncoman13
02-10-2010, 06:07 AM
Yes it make sense, if Marshall is moved. Bryant is good WR that similar to Cradtree last year with more speed.

Where do you get this "more speed" thing? Most expect Bryant to be in the 4.55-4.6 range. Crabtree was expected to be around a 4.5 flat but claimed he could run a 4.4 (on crutches I might add ;D)

This is the first I've heard of him having more speed than Crabtree... other than that, I agree. Similar players but I think Bryant is more physical and has the ability to make better plays after the catch. If I were going to compare him to someone, it would be Anquan Boldin.

Broncoman13
02-10-2010, 06:10 AM
Here is what Dez Bryant is going to want:

20 million guaranteed and 35 million total over 6 years which void to 5.

Here is what Marshall is going to want:

20 million guaranteed and 35 million total over 4 years.

Here is what Marshall did in 09: 100+ catches, 1000+ yards, 10 TDs against NFL players.

Here is what Dez Bryant did in 09: 17 catches, 323 yards, 4 TDs against Georgia, Houston and Rice.

Tell me one good reason why we want Bryant and the circus Sanders and Parker will no doubt bring, when we can have a dude who has proven for 3 consecutive years that he is a star.

It is going to cost us about the same, except one is a proven performer who knows the system and the QB, the other is a college player too stupid to stay away from Deion Sanders and then lying about it.

B/c BMarsh is a head case and still wants out of Denver. He's saying all the right things right now, but many believe that b/c the Broncos have asked him to say the right things so that they can get value in return giving him his wish and his plane ticket out.

elsid13
02-10-2010, 06:14 AM
Where do you get this "more speed" thing? Most expect Bryant to be in the 4.55-4.6 range. Crabtree was expected to be around a 4.5 flat but claimed he could run a 4.4 (on crutches I might add ;D)

This is the first I've heard of him having more speed than Crabtree... other than that, I agree. Similar players but I think Bryant is more physical and has the ability to make better plays after the catch. If I were going to compare him to someone, it would be Anquan Boldin.

Watching the two play. Bryant, has more of burst, and has the ability to get vertical then Crabtree. Add in the fact that Bryant has the ability to return punts and kicks, there more value with him then Crabtree.

meangene
02-10-2010, 07:03 AM
With Davis and Williams inside, I don't see McClain being selected unless you believe that he'd start over Davis right away -- which I doubt, considering he had a fantastic year for us.

I really think Davis was nothing more than a decent stopgap for a year or two. He is a two down linebacker and became less effective as the season went along. Yes, he exceeded expectations but is he the answer inside? I don't think so. McClain is a guy who would absolutely start day one for us and, eventually, take over a leadership role.

I like Bryant but I wonder if he is that vertical threat we need or if we can't do as well with a later pick (even later in round one if we get that for Marshall). I don't see taking Bryant unless the highly rated defensive talent which would fit our scheme is gone at #10/11.

gyldenlove
02-10-2010, 08:28 AM
B/c BMarsh is a head case and still wants out of Denver. He's saying all the right things right now, but many believe that b/c the Broncos have asked him to say the right things so that they can get value in return giving him his wish and his plane ticket out.

Bryant is a head case too, and unlike Marshall he has yet to prove he does not belong in the long list of recievers who fail misserably in the NFL.

I don't know how you get that Marshall wants out of Denver, that seems like a made up argument to me.

Zoobie
02-10-2010, 10:32 AM
Bryant is a head case too, and unlike Marshall he has yet to prove he does not belong in the long list of recievers who fail misserably in the NFL.

I don't know how you get that Marshall wants out of Denver, that seems like a made up argument to me.

Do explain. How is Dez a head case?

Broncoman13
02-10-2010, 11:03 AM
I really think Davis was nothing more than a decent stopgap for a year or two. He is a two down linebacker and became less effective as the season went along. Yes, he exceeded expectations but is he the answer inside? I don't think so. McClain is a guy who would absolutely start day one for us and, eventually, take over a leadership role.

I like Bryant but I wonder if he is that vertical threat we need or if we can't do as well with a later pick (even later in round one if we get that for Marshall). I don't see taking Bryant unless the highly rated defensive talent which would fit our scheme is gone at #10/11.

You can get a deep threat much later in the draft. Jacoby Ford is very similar to the Steelers Mike Wallace. Smallish player with speed to get over the top on anyone. Ford also returns kicks and has had some success doing that as well.

I actually like the idea of Dez Bryant in the first if we trade BMarsh. Hopefully we can get a mid-late first for BMarsh and then draft either Iupati or Williams later in the first round.

Dez Bryant, Iupati, and then the 2nd goes to either McNabb or Brandon Spikes.

Zoobie
02-10-2010, 12:30 PM
You can get a deep threat much later in the draft. Jacoby Ford is very similar to the Steelers Mike Wallace. Smallish player with speed to get over the top on anyone. Ford also returns kicks and has had some success doing that as well.

I actually like the idea of Dez Bryant in the first if we trade BMarsh. Hopefully we can get a mid-late first for BMarsh and then draft either Iupati or Williams later in the first round.

Dez Bryant, Iupati, and then the 2nd goes to either McNabb or Brandon Spikes.

If we give up a 2nd round pick for an over the hill QB with a giant contract i'll probably **** my pants. No on McNabb.

meangene
02-10-2010, 02:07 PM
You can get a deep threat much later in the draft. Jacoby Ford is very similar to the Steelers Mike Wallace. Smallish player with speed to get over the top on anyone. Ford also returns kicks and has had some success doing that as well.

I actually like the idea of Dez Bryant in the first if we trade BMarsh. Hopefully we can get a mid-late first for BMarsh and then draft either Iupati or Williams later in the first round.

Dez Bryant, Iupati, and then the 2nd goes to either McNabb or Brandon Spikes.

How about McClain, Odrick/Price and then Guilyard in the 2nd? Go o-line after that (players like Jerry, Olsen, Carter...).

Cool Breeze
02-10-2010, 07:10 PM
I've seen a couple of mocks where we take: Damian Williams,WR,USC in the 2nd round.

Mediator12
02-10-2010, 08:12 PM
We need a NT badly and this is a very slim draft at that position. I sincerely doubt Wilfork will be leaving the Pats. You can get all the talent you can on the offense and it isn't going to mean jack without that D solidified and we have a new QB.

Gunns, this is the best DT draft I have seen in 10 years. And yes, that includes a bunch of 3-4 Caliber NT's.

Baba Booey
02-11-2010, 07:32 AM
I'd rather have McClain. Defensive captain of the future written all over him.

gunns
02-11-2010, 08:20 AM
actually it not slim at NT position. There are 6 to 7 guys that could fill that role, and you are not counting the continued development of both Thomas and Baker.

Baker? I'm not aware of a NT named Baker

I am taking into consideration Thomas. One person I'm not considering is Cody. He's going to end up worthless. So I've got Williams and Thomas. Some say Troup is on the rise but others are saying his stock is dropping. Oghabasse (sp) might be but he's projected for the 5-6th rounds so I'm not seeing that's an immediate help. I'm wondering who you are considering.

PRBronco
02-11-2010, 08:23 AM
Baker? I'm not aware of a NT named Baker

I am taking into consideration Thomas. One person I'm not considering is Cody. He's going to end up worthless. So I've got Williams and Thomas. Some say Troup is on the rise but others are saying his stock is dropping. Oghabasse (sp) might be but he's projected for the 5-6th rounds so I'm not seeing that's an immediate help. I'm wondering who you are considering.

Chris Baker, UDFA last year. From...Hampton I think? Was kicked off Penn State.

elsid13
02-11-2010, 08:36 AM
Baker? I'm not aware of a NT named Baker

I am taking into consideration Thomas. One person I'm not considering is Cody. He's going to end up worthless. So I've got Williams and Thomas. Some say Troup is on the rise but others are saying his stock is dropping. Oghabasse (sp) might be but he's projected for the 5-6th rounds so I'm not seeing that's an immediate help. I'm wondering who you are considering.

Chris Baker, rookie last season that didn't see much playing time, but has potential.

On NT list repost the list from the other thread/

Mediator12
02-11-2010, 10:02 AM
The early NT prospects worth a darn are:

34 NT Dan Williams, Cam Thomas, Boo Robinson, Terrence Cody, Al Woods, Torrell Troup and Linval Joseph. That is 7 very solid NT prospects. I have not seen a draft this deep with DT's since 2001 and can not remember one with this many big guys who can play 2 gap football and hold the POA every play.

Requiem
02-11-2010, 10:19 AM
Totally have forgotten about Boo. So much talent out there.

elsid13
02-11-2010, 10:31 AM
The early NT prospects worth a darn are:

34 NT Dan Williams, Cam Thomas, Boo Robinson, Terrence Cody, Al Woods, Torrell Troup and Linval Joseph. That is 7 very solid NT prospects. I have not seen a draft this deep with DT's since 2001 and can not remember one with this many big guys who can play 2 gap football and hold the POA every play.

And that not counting guys like Ivy (Maryland) or Weston (UGA) that could be good rotational guys that will be drafted late.

gunns
02-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Gunns, this is the best DT draft I have seen in 10 years. And yes, that includes a bunch of 3-4 Caliber NT's.

I agree on DT, but I'm not seeing it on NT. Please name me some that I may be missing out on.

Ok, nevermind, I see it.

Robinsons stock is dropping and he isn't even expected to be drafted right now. Wood and Joseph I didn't know about. They are expected to go in 6th or 7th round. It's hard to find which DT's are projected at NT. Ok, I just don't want a player from Penn St. I stand firm on that. ;D

Mediator12
02-12-2010, 07:18 AM
I agree on DT, but I'm not seeing it on NT. Please name me some that I may be missing out on.

Ok, nevermind, I see it.

Robinsons stock is dropping and he isn't even expected to be drafted right now. Wood and Joseph I didn't know about. They are expected to go in 6th or 7th round. It's hard to find which DT's are projected at NT. Ok, I just don't want a player from Penn St. I stand firm on that. ;D

Remember, players who are adept at only one position, ie 3-4 NT's, lose overall value on draft boards because they lack the versatility to play for a certain number of teams. Typically, most pure 3-4 NT's are not high draft selections. However, players like Dan Williams will be a high draft selection because his skills are scheme diverse and he can play multiple positions, not just a 2 gap NT. This is why a player many were high on last year, Taylor from Michigan, went in the fourth. He was a one dimensional NT. And, a player who was multidimensional and very few knew about, Terrance Knighton from Temple played and started for JAX, was on many all rookie teams for being able to play NT in multiple systems. JAX played a lot of 3-4 and a lot of 4-3 fronts with Knighton being able to play NT in both fronts.

It is just too early to look at these players and see where they fit. However, my overall grades on DT's and the Scheme specific NT's is the highest and deepest since that 2001 draft. It is just fantastic.

gyldenlove
02-12-2010, 12:15 PM
Remember, players who are adept at only one position, ie 3-4 NT's, lose overall value on draft boards because they lack the versatility to play for a certain number of teams. Typically, most pure 3-4 NT's are not high draft selections. However, players like Dan Williams will be a high draft selection because his skills are scheme diverse and he can play multiple positions, not just a 2 gap NT. This is why a player many were high on last year, Taylor from Michigan, went in the fourth. He was a one dimensional NT. And, a player who was multidimensional and very few knew about, Terrance Knighton from Temple played and started for JAX, was on many all rookie teams for being able to play NT in multiple systems. JAX played a lot of 3-4 and a lot of 4-3 fronts with Knighton being able to play NT in both fronts.

It is just too early to look at these players and see where they fit. However, my overall grades on DT's and the Scheme specific NT's is the highest and deepest since that 2001 draft. It is just fantastic.

Taylor also dropped because he is a lazy fatass and Michigan defensive linemen are notoriously slightly worse than genital herpes.

Dan Williams will be drafted high because he can play 1-tech for a 4-3 team as well as NT. Terrence Cody on the other hand could drop into the 2nd round unless a 3-4 team falls in love with him (maybe Dallas has a thing for fatties or something).

gunns
02-12-2010, 12:39 PM
Remember, players who are adept at only one position, ie 3-4 NT's, lose overall value on draft boards because they lack the versatility to play for a certain number of teams. Typically, most pure 3-4 NT's are not high draft selections. However, players like Dan Williams will be a high draft selection because his skills are scheme diverse and he can play multiple positions, not just a 2 gap NT. This is why a player many were high on last year, Taylor from Michigan, went in the fourth. He was a one dimensional NT. And, a player who was multidimensional and very few knew about, Terrance Knighton from Temple played and started for JAX, was on many all rookie teams for being able to play NT in multiple systems. JAX played a lot of 3-4 and a lot of 4-3 fronts with Knighton being able to play NT in both fronts.

It is just too early to look at these players and see where they fit. However, my overall grades on DT's and the Scheme specific NT's is the highest and deepest since that 2001 draft. It is just fantastic.

Thank you! That opens so many more possibilities.

gyldenlove
02-12-2010, 04:53 PM
Do explain. How is Dez a head case?

He got suspended for lying to the NCAA about his involvement with Deion Sanders. If you are stupid enough to lie to the governing body of the only livelihood you have, you are an idiot.

elsid13
02-12-2010, 05:11 PM
He got suspended for lying to the NCAA about his involvement with Deion Sanders. If you are stupid enough to lie to the governing body of the only livelihood you have, you are an idiot.

A young guy under extreme pressure from NCAA Nazi isn't in idiot, he just made a mistake. He didn't drink and drive, assault someone or charged with a crime, he panicked with when under pressure.

Drek
02-13-2010, 07:02 AM
I could see adding Dez Bryant if they move Marshall, but only then.

Bryant does fill the traditional #1 role in McDaniels offense better, as the #1 should be a Randy Moss type of deep threat. Right now we're shoehorning Royal into that role when Royal should in fact be our slot WR (Wes Welker type). Marshall fills the role McDaniels had for Gaffney in NE, but significantly better so the offense ran through the plays where that WR gets the fist look, not the actual 2007 Pats offense where that WR was actually the 3rd option behind Moss and Welker.

We need a legit speed threat so that we can move Royal to the slot. Gaffney can't really do it well, his only future as a starter here is if Marshall is traded or gets hurt.

Personally I'd prefer us to keep Marshall and trade a 3rd rounder for Josh Cribbs. He's got elite speed that teams would need to respect deep and he's a special teams monster. He's having contract issues in Cleveland because they want to give him ~1.5M per year and he'd like $2.5M. Thats chump change but if Cleveland wants to make it a sticking point we should strike while the iron is hot.

Zoobie
02-13-2010, 12:25 PM
He got suspended for lying to the NCAA about his involvement with Deion Sanders. If you are stupid enough to lie to the governing body of the only livelihood you have, you are an idiot.

He made a foolish mistake thinking he may have done something wrong when he didn't . TO, Marshall, Steve Smith, Pacman Jones. Those are head cases.

Mediator12
02-13-2010, 12:32 PM
He made a foolish mistake thinking he may have done something wrong when he didn't . TO, Marshall, Steve Smith, Pacman Jones. Those are head cases.

I agree he might not be a head case, but his decision making skills suck. You know, kind of like a certain Pro-bowl WR already on the Broncos. The kind that is already in trade talks.

He had no business being around Deion unless he KNEW it was OK. All he had to do was ask, and they go over all kinds of these rules every year to start the season. Lying, just in case, to cover your ass is not the best character trait in a WR ROFL!

Sure, he, like others, will get drafted by someone who that does not matter. However, you want to put money on his first off-field transgression? Over or under ;)

Zoobie
02-13-2010, 11:23 PM
I agree he might not be a head case, but his decision making skills suck. You know, kind of like a certain Pro-bowl WR already on the Broncos. The kind that is already in trade talks.

He had no business being around Deion unless he KNEW it was OK. All he had to do was ask, and they go over all kinds of these rules every year to start the season. Lying, just in case, to cover your ass is not the best character trait in a WR ROFL!

Sure, he, like others, will get drafted by someone who that does not matter. However, you want to put money on his first off-field transgression? Over or under ;)

im just saying there is a big difference between lying to the NCAA neo nazis and beating your girl, or getting a dui, or drowning dogs, or using steroids. I'd put money on Dez being professional and maintaining a clean record, not to mention he is a top ten talent and clearly the best at his position.

elsid13
02-14-2010, 05:28 AM
I agree he might not be a head case, but his decision making skills suck. You know, kind of like a certain Pro-bowl WR already on the Broncos. The kind that is already in trade talks.

He had no business being around Deion unless he KNEW it was OK. All he had to do was ask, and they go over all kinds of these rules every year to start the season. Lying, just in case, to cover your ass is not the best character trait in a WR ROFL!

Sure, he, like others, will get drafted by someone who that does not matter. However, you want to put money on his first off-field transgression? Over or under ;)

Med it's Deon, that guy is worshiped by a lot young guys in college. If had chance to have lunch with your idol, would even think about checking with someone if it is ok? And we all know that hard to figure out 90% of the NCAA rules.

want2bAbronco2
02-16-2010, 04:50 PM
sign one of the FA NT and get Mclain...i will trade our 1st and 2nd if we get there 1st and 3rd to move up and take him 1-3 spots! We need a beast LB and 2 DEs.

Gob
02-16-2010, 05:11 PM
Med it's Deon, that guy is worshiped by a lot young guys in college. If had chance to have lunch with your idol, would even think about checking with someone if it is ok? And we all know that hard to figure out 90% of the NCAA rules.

That may be true, but I wouldn't want to hear that if I was a coach. The number of highly tempting but troublesome situations a player can get into will only go up after he gets a couple million dollars in his pocket and national exposure.

Zoobie
02-17-2010, 12:47 AM
That may be true, but I wouldn't want to hear that if I was a coach. The number of highly tempting but troublesome situations a player can get into will only go up after he gets a couple million dollars in his pocket and national exposure.

granted he made a bad move by lying, but if the worst he is doing is having lunch with a hall of famer i would gladly welcome that.

27atwater
02-18-2010, 08:45 PM
Agreed. I also doubt the NCAA afforded him the opportunity to have a rep present while they "interviewed" him. Just another case of the NCAA doin what they do.

Mediator12
02-19-2010, 07:06 AM
granted he made a bad move by lying, but if the worst he is doing is having lunch with a hall of famer i would gladly welcome that.

No, the worst he could do is lie and evade a straight answer when he thinks he does something wrong. In this case, it SEEMS silly that all he did was have lunch with Sanders. However, the problem lies in the decision making process, not the act itself. Those 2 are seperate things to evaluate. He did nothing wrong, but he thought he did! Then, he tried to cover it up instead of report it and take his medicine.

That is called a pattern of behavior, and being someone who studies behavior, those do not change very easily. That is why Brandon Marshall has had so many off field incidents. He had this pattern of Behavior before he came to the NFL and teams knew all about it. That is why he dropped to a fourth round selection. Now, Brandon had a much longer list of behaviors than Bryant does. However, Dez does have other things on the list too. So, while it is real easy to dismiss these behaviors when evaluating his talent, it would be remiss to dismiss them when evaluating his draft value and risk/reward.

Zoobie
02-19-2010, 04:23 PM
No, the worst he could do is lie and evade a straight answer when he thinks he does something wrong. In this case, it SEEMS silly that all he did was have lunch with Sanders. However, the problem lies in the decision making process, not the act itself. Those 2 are seperate things to evaluate. He did nothing wrong, but he thought he did! Then, he tried to cover it up instead of report it and take his medicine.

That is called a pattern of behavior, and being someone who studies behavior, those do not change very easily. That is why Brandon Marshall has had so many off field incidents. He had this pattern of Behavior before he came to the NFL and teams knew all about it. That is why he dropped to a fourth round selection. Now, Brandon had a much longer list of behaviors than Bryant does. However, Dez does have other things on the list too. So, while it is real easy to dismiss these behaviors when evaluating his talent, it would be remiss to dismiss them when evaluating his draft value and risk/reward.

A "pattern" would usually indicate someone has multiple incidents. What else is there on Bryant besides lunch with Deion?

oubronco
03-01-2010, 12:00 PM
What baggage?

NFL | Questions surrounding Bryant's character?

Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:42:30 -0800

Jason Cole, of Yahoo! Sports, reports three sources with direct knowledge of Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant from his college days said Bryant's antics were "consistently irresponsible." One source said, "I wouldn't draft that kid unless I had someone to wake him up in the morning to get to meetings, someone to wake him up for practice and someone to wake him up for games." A second source said Bryant's reputation was earned because he was consistently late to team activities, including showing up late for games. "We're not just talking about being a little late for warmups, but like being late for the actual game," a source said. "When you start to hear some of the stories of there, you go, 'He did what?'"