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epicSocialism4tw
02-03-2010, 07:06 PM
Strange.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=1&listId=524

Flex Gunmetal
02-03-2010, 07:08 PM
Bear in mind he played for the Denver Broncos.

DBroncos4life
02-03-2010, 07:12 PM
It would be cool if Lawrence Taylor was the best defensive player ever but he isn't so why the **** is he on that list?

extralife
02-03-2010, 07:25 PM
I like how Otto Graham is on this list, but he wasn't on their list of best QBs ever, which was like twenty deep. I stopped ranking QBs when I got to 3 and couldn't find Graham.

DBroncos4life
02-03-2010, 07:30 PM
Reggie White had 21 sacks in 12 games. I would take him over coke head any Sunday.

TDmvp
02-03-2010, 07:36 PM
and stuff like this is why Espn can suck a bag of Di#ks ...


Taylor was to me over rated and benefited a lot from a scheme that was ahead of it's time in N.Y. ...


I'd rather have Singletary ...

epicSocialism4tw
02-03-2010, 07:46 PM
Reggie White had 21 sacks in 12 games. I would take him over coke head any Sunday.

Reggie White was dominant in a way that we may never see again. That guy was unstoppable at DE.

BroncoMan4ever
02-03-2010, 07:52 PM
ESPN is the equivalent to the retarded kid whose mother makes the school or city league sports put her kid on the field. he is there, and he tries hard, but at the end of the day, he has no idea what the hell he is doing

with that in mind, who gives a damn what they think?

garandman
02-03-2010, 07:55 PM
and stuff like this is why Espn can suck a bag of Di#ks ...


Taylor was to me over rated and benefited a lot from a scheme that was ahead of it's time in N.Y. ...


I'd rather have Singletary ...

I would strongly disagree, Taylor was a very dominant player, overated he was not.

Man-Goblin
02-03-2010, 07:56 PM
Who made this list. Gil Brandt?

Archer81
02-03-2010, 07:58 PM
Wasnt it ESPN who said the best Sports Cities in the country are New York, Boston and Los Angeles?


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
02-03-2010, 07:59 PM
I would strongly disagree, Taylor was a very dominant player, overated he was not.

Over-rated nope, but the best defensive player ever he is not. I can't speak about players like Deacon Jones I never seen him play, but Reggie White was a much better player then Taylor. I watched those two play.

Taco John
02-03-2010, 08:05 PM
Maybe it's a faulty perception, but I don't remember Reggie White being feared the way LT was. I don't know if LT is the best defensive player in history, but he was certainly one of the most intimidating ones.

Taco John
02-03-2010, 08:06 PM
Also, I voted in complete crap order just to screw with it. Not that it made even a dent, but...

TDmvp
02-03-2010, 08:10 PM
Over-rated nope, but the best defensive player ever he is not. I can't speak about players like Deacon Jones I never seen him play, but Reggie White was a much better player then Taylor. I watched those two play.

Yea that is what I ment , over rated if we are talking about greatest of all time...


L.T. should not even be in that top 10

epicSocialism4tw
02-03-2010, 08:16 PM
Also, I voted in complete crap order just to screw with it. Not that it made even a dent, but...

Ha!

I did the same when I looked at it.

SoCalBronco
02-03-2010, 08:18 PM
Wasnt it ESPN who said the best Sports Cities in the country are New York, Boston and Los Angeles?


:Broncos:

The fact they put L.A. on that list should disqualify them from ever opining on anything again.

Taco John
02-03-2010, 08:21 PM
Ha!

I did the same when I looked at it.



That's two of us brother. Fight the power!

DBroncos4life
02-03-2010, 08:21 PM
Maybe it's a faulty perception, but I don't remember Reggie White being feared the way LT was. I don't know if LT is the best defensive player in history, but he was certainly one of the most intimidating ones.

Never underestimate the power of drug abuse lol. White was just such a good guy on and off the field it would be hard for him to intimidate. White failed to reach double digit sack number just three years out of the fifteen years he played and one of those years was with the Panthers after he came back from being retired for a year. His 21 sacks in the 1987 season is beyond impressive. He was getting damn near 2 sacks a game that season. He might not have been as feared as Taylor but he was more dominate on the field.

dbfan4life
02-03-2010, 08:31 PM
I wrote myself in 10 times....

maher_tyler
02-03-2010, 08:33 PM
espn is the equivalent to the retarded kid whose mother makes the school or city league sports put her kid on the field. He is there, and he tries hard, but at the end of the day, he has no idea what the hell he is doing

with that in mind, who gives a damn what they think?

+1

Chris
02-03-2010, 08:55 PM
I think the problem is ESPN is such a force that they shape public perception, particularly for those that weren't there to watch these players.

GoBroncos DownUnder
02-03-2010, 08:57 PM
Here - HOF voters incompetency put to good use: Simple fact is Elway WENT to 5 Super Bowls - his HoF supporting cast equalled - ONE player in ONE Super Bowl. Best ALL TIME statistic ever - from the best player EVER.


White was just such a good guy on and off the field it would be hard for him to intimidate.
You REALLY should check out Reggie White's speech to the Wisconsin State Legislature ... It's the reason Reggie didn't ever get into the Media.
IMO - White kept playing those last few crappy years desperately hoping that the furor would die down! ;)

NFLBRONCO
02-03-2010, 08:59 PM
Stats is one reason. ESPN etc forget Elway carried Denver by himself most of his career. Can you imagine Peyton Brady Montana playing in Denver in the 80's lol.

DBroncos4life
02-03-2010, 09:08 PM
Here - HOF voters incompetency put to good use: Simple fact is Elway WENT to 5 Super Bowls - his HoF supporting cast equalled - ONE player in ONE Super Bowl. Best ALL TIME statistic ever - from the best player EVER.



You REALLY should check out Reggie White's speech to the Wisconsin State Legislature ... It's the reason Reggie didn't ever get into the Media.
IMO - White kept playing those last few crappy years desperately hoping that the furor would die down! ;)

Those last few crappy years? 97 he had 11 sacks, 98 he had 16 then in 2000 he had 5.5. I never heard his speech but I do know that overall he was a good guy.

Houshyamama
02-03-2010, 10:55 PM
Maurice Clarett should be on that list IMO

ZONA
02-04-2010, 12:43 AM
LT may have been feared more but I've never seen anybody just arm whack 285 pound tackles on their back with one arm the way White did. He didn't even need moves, he just clubbed them to the ground and ran on by to the QB. White was unstoppable.

Bronco Rob
02-04-2010, 03:28 AM
stats is one reason. Espn etc forget elway carried denver by himself most of his career. Can you imagine peyton brady montana playing in denver in the 80's lol.




8')

WolfpackGuy
02-04-2010, 06:13 AM
You REALLY should check out Reggie White's speech to the Wisconsin State Legislature ... It's the reason Reggie didn't ever get into the Media.

Yeah, he basically insulted every race on the planet.

LOL

Hogan11
02-04-2010, 08:18 AM
Wasnt it ESPN who said the best Sports Cities in the country are New York, Boston and Los Angeles?


:Broncos:

Yes.....but what else would one expect from the Entertainment SPorts Network?

montrose
02-04-2010, 08:34 AM
Wasnt it ESPN who said the best Sports Cities in the country are New York, Boston and Los Angeles?

I've never been to LA but those other cities are light years ahead of Denver in terms of being a sports city. I'm a die-hard fan who lives in Denver and I've got to admit this is an awful sports-town.

oubronco
02-04-2010, 09:19 AM
It would be cool if Lawrence Taylor was the best defensive player ever but he isn't so why the **** is he on that list?

because we live in a crack generation and we live in a crack nation

azbroncfan
02-04-2010, 10:04 AM
Reggie White was dominant in a way that we may never see again. That guy was unstoppable at DE.

Bruce Smith was pretty dominant too. Not Reggie White but he got a ton of sacks especially when you consider he got a lot of them as a 3-4 DE.

gunns
02-04-2010, 10:43 AM
Reggie White was dominant in a way that we may never see again. That guy was unstoppable at DE.

Except against the Broncos. ;D

This is why I don't turn ESPN on at all unless there is a game I want to watch. They didn't even have Elway in their top 100 Athletes of the Century. A prime example of creating and living the "media hype". Stupid, unknowledgable people. They say the top sports cities are NY, Boston, and LA and football, the number 1 sport, is only played in one of those cities. Yeah, ESPN is legit. Please.

Pony Boy
02-04-2010, 10:54 AM
I myself think Elway is the best QB to ever put on an NFL uniform...... hands down......

But there are some who say he wasn't the best QB to ever play at Stanford...
http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2009/12/25/elway-not-stanfords-greatest-quarterback/

broncocalijohn
02-04-2010, 11:27 AM
The fact they put L.A. on that list should disqualify them from ever opining on anything again.

NO! Look at the attendance for Dodgers, Angels, USC, Lakers and even the Clippers. Clippers and GS Warriors are one of the best attended based on wins. They both have sucked and still get good attendance numbers. Kings are drawing well in LA and only the Ducks have slipped from last season. In a long time, LA deserves the rankings. I know SoCal is everything anti-local team, but he is wrong.

broncocalijohn
02-04-2010, 11:30 AM
I myself think Elway is the best QB to ever put on an NFL uniform...... hands down......

But there are some who say he wasn't the best QB to ever play at Stanford...
http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2009/12/25/elway-not-stanfords-greatest-quarterback/

Just some cute sportswriter trying to bring attention to himself by listing some dude from the 40s. Here is one I thought might be a tad higher...

8. Steve Stenstrom (1991-94): Four-year starter.

He broke many of Elway's records and a fun fact (besides going to my HS while I was there) is that he was Rob Johnson's QB when Rob was backup and played wide receiver. Steve also was brought into Broncos training camp around 8 years ago.

Pony Boy
02-04-2010, 12:32 PM
Just some cute sportswriter trying to bring attention to himself by listing some dude from the 40s. Here is one I thought might be a tad higher...

8. Steve Stenstrom (1991-94): Four-year starter.

He broke many of Elway's records and a fun fact (besides going to my HS while I was there) is that he was Rob Johnson's QB when Rob was backup and played wide receiver. Steve also was brought into Broncos training camp around 8 years ago.

Most of the people on this site are too young to remember how great a college QB Jim Pluckett was and he also had solid pro career ..

listopencil
02-04-2010, 04:31 PM
**** espn.

broncobum6162
02-04-2010, 07:50 PM
Here is a copy of the email I sent to Espin just now......

Come on Espin! Typical poll w/ only 10 choices that you pick. This is exactly why I never come to you for sports news. You are so fuicking biased. I only knew about this from a fan forum from a NFL team that has been consistently kicked in the nuts by the east coast media both on the football field and the HOF. You are total bullshiat. Long live the Denver Broncos!

uplink
02-04-2010, 07:53 PM
It is a QB league now days. The top modern era players should all be QBs.